Steak and Butter Gal Admits to Believing Misinformation | Vegan vs Meat Eater Response

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

The funny thing about this tofu estrogen is, when she goes "i dont drink breast milk". Her name is steak and BUTTER. Butter is pure dairy fat, its the highest source of estrogen there is.

[@sonja4164]

Exactly! I guess the estrogen just evaporates during the churning process?? 😂

[@WiseandVegan]

It probably gets concentrated. ​@sonja4164

[@WiseandVegan]

They are not the brightest.

[@vganbeastNL]

Imagine still being oblivious to the fact that this myth comes straight from the dairy industry. Embarrassing how these people are put forward as experts on anything. Steak & Butter Gal who is clearly lying through her teeth, or.... Michael Greger, MD. Who to believe on their word? Hmmm hmmm I don't know...! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@jj-bp3fr]

So right.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

The carnivore "ex vegans" were raw vegans. Shocker.

[@Glory_in_Christ_forever]

All species on this planet eat raw. Only the human cooks everything to death. And only the human is dealing with an onslaught of chronic illnesses. The issue with eating raw is rather that the people either eat not enough calories or too much fat, which is hard on all organs.

[@injunsun]

One would think, if they cared, they might have considered cooking their veg, before going right to cooked animals. But hey, they are anecdotal fad followers, not scientifically minded people, using logic and reason. In other words, "stupit folks."

[@11235Aodh]

In a world where vegans are still few and far apart, all these folk apparently already have been eating 100% plant exclusive in the past. Yeah, sure.

[@zooweellama]

They went from one very restrictive diet to another, prime example of having an eating disorder. I have yet to see a vegan who ate an abundance of whole plant foods, took all the necessary supplements and STILL had issues that required changing to a meat based diet.

[@atomic_ray]

She said in an interview that she was inspired by Freeleee the Banana Girl.

[@nommh]

Calling yourself steak and butter gal and the denying consuming dairy takes some doing…

[@sonja4164]

@@nommh 🤣🤣🤣

[@Ardentic-mm]

Cough butter

[@Fallenangel_85]

Steak and Butter brainrot

[@dachsrottweiler]

🤣

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

At least she admitted that dairy causes inflammation.

[@MictheVegan]

I apologize for the kind of annoying music and visual pattern over the Jubilee footage but despite using very short clips that I believe are well within fair use, my entire video was being demonetized (even this shorter one in addition to the one I mentioned in the video). It appears that Jubilee has a deal with KZbin to be super stringent about their footage that is above and beyond fair use. So I added some creative and probably annoying flair to make it even more my own.

[@karmicbreath]

Doesn't surprise me that KZbin works with corporate trash while screwing over grass roots creators

[@silentfriend369]

Clever

[@PeebeesPet]

It's truly inspiring how KZbin can continue to make me hate them more and more. Right when I thought my hate reached its peak, KZbin pushes it even further.

[@Dumbledore6969x]

@@PeebeesPetmake sure to not pay them or watch ads. r/piracy

[@ivanfreire]

Unnoticed (not annoying). Excellent video btw!

[@enumaokafor6272]

Lost my period on a vegan diet. Got my period back on a vegan diet. How? Admitted that I was under-eating and had an issue, then significantly increased my caloric consumption. There were days when for breakfast alone I’d eat upwards of 1000 calories of nuts. Whole endeavor took 5-6 months for my period to recover.

[@emh8861]

Body needs fat.

[@sydneyfury]

@@emh8861Nuts and seeds are high in fat.

[@Nikkattsu]

What happened to you and Steak & Butter Gal seems to have been a result of malnourishment, which is unfortunately common among vegans. There’s actually a lot more evidence of people losing their periods on vegan diets than Mic might want to admit. On the other hand, Steak & Butter Gal found it much easier to get the nutrients her body needed from meat, which makes sense considering the bioavailability factor. If you can perfect your diet to heal from chronic illness, I respect you, no matter what you’re eating. It’s not easy in a world full of toxic chemicals.

[@preyn49]

That's great for you however many of us are poor convertors of just eating fruits and vegetables. So if Bella says it worked for her being a Carnivore I say Kudos to her.

[@jhunt5578]

Steak and Butter gal says that her vegan diet was both cheaper and more expensive in that vid. She can't keep her story straight.

[@phinehaselohim7111]

@@jhunt5578 I am trying to be objective and go by my own results utilizing both dietary strategies. I tried eating a vegan diet for two years that contained all of the plants that would be available in my ancestral environment.... Ireland. I ate tons of organic potatoes and wheat and oats and berries. I was always hungry and always felt bloated and tired. My skin was wrinkly, my gums bled, and my face was very round and fat. I looked puffy all of the time and I was cranky most days. then I tried an animal based diet eating only those foods that would have been available in my ancestral environment.....eggs, fish, and beef I will be totally honest....I enjoyed the taste of the vegan foods better, but I felt much better and looked much better on the animal based diet I was happier, less cranky, thinner, leaner, and my skin looked way better

[@jhunt5578]

@phinehaselohim7111 Why are you eating in some ancestorally narrow way? Just because our ancestors did certain practices, it doesn't mean that they are healthy. I eat lots of different plant foods that my ancestors wouldn't have even seen, and foods they wouldn't be able to eat year round. I also prefer to go off data from blood work to check if my diet is healthy, as well as looking and feeling good. Just being honest, a lot of ex vegans and carnivores I've interacted with seem to have either some weird spiritual thing going on, or some weird limited nutrition thing going on.

[@phinehaselohim7111]

@ I honestly believe that I eat a diet specific for my species. To answer your specific question, my grandfather (mother's Dad) ate a diet of almost all plant foods. He died at 63 of diabetes after losing multiple limbs due to amputation. He was 5'6", morbidly obese, and well over 250 lbs when he died. I look almost identical to him. I eat an almost completely animal based diet, the opposite of what my grandfather ate. I am 60 yrs old, 6'1", 200 lbs, and walk around at all times at about 8% body fat. My skin is great, I have a full head of hair that grows like weeds, and I sleep like a baby: I barely workout, try to keep stress low and I sleep 8-9 hrs per night. So someone who are tons of plants and very little animal products was far smaller, fatter, weaker and looked like he was 90 when he died at 63. I am now 3 yrs younger than my grandfather was when he died and I am told I look like I'm in my 40's. Sorry for the longwinded answer, but the above is why I eat what my ancestors ate and not a vegan diet. Thank you for the great sharing of info!

[@jhunt5578]

@phinehaselohim711 I don't think our ancestors did eat a high meat diet. I don't think there's ample evidence for that. Our ancestors ate different diets in different climates, as they had different access to foods, and at different seasons. Hunting wasn't easy, and most hunts failed. Regardless of what our ancestors did. If your diet is working for you then it's working. Though there isn't any long term data on high meat diets. I'd personally worry about cardiovascular health. I'm doing great on a vegan diet and am healthier than I've ever been. Personally, I also wouldn't eat animal foods due to my ethics. When you say your grandfather only ate plants, what kinds of plants was he eating, refined carbohydrates, added sugar? Anecdotes themselves don't form a solid basis of evidence. My grandfather smoked and drank and lived to a ripe old age. There's also ample health outcome data that shows vegans have a low risk of T2 diabetes.

[@phinehaselohim7111]

@ so gkad that you're doing well on the diet! thank you for sharing!

[@taylorhardaway8031]

I didn’t understand why all the meats would say “oh, so you’re saying I was doing the diet wrong?” as if that was some kind of threat. Then the vegans would back down as if they really didn’t want to say that. I mean yeah, you were doing something wrong…

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

That was certainly the most frustrating aspect. These are people who chase trends and go from one extreme end to the other, and exhibit clear tendencies towards pseudoscience and misinformation. Yet god forbid someone accuse them of doing something wrong.

[@s.figuur]

Because that's what the vegan brainwashing does - no way the diet could ever have anything wrong with it, you were clearly not doing it right. No matter how many hoops someone was jumping through, from getting the right macros, the right supplements, doing organic, juicing, high fat, low fat, high carb, etc etc etc. there's always something that the vegans will use to shift the goalposts. She worded it as a threat because we know what's coming - the same thing is done again and again and again. It's an unwinnable argument because the other side will always claim (and believe) that the diet wasn't being done right. No, it's just that the diet isn't right.

[@ejRecording]

Dr nagra wanted to be on this episode, if he had been he would've obliterated her arguments

[@spliter227]

I ate wfpb with no restrictions except for junk food. And I took supplements. After 7 years it was causing some issues. So I started incorporating meat. Now I'm 95% plants and 5% meat & honey (not factory farmed) and I seem to be doing better. I would not argue against veganism, it just didn't work for me...but ya can't say I didn't do it right.

[@ejRecording]

@ what issues were you developing to make you think you needed to incorporate something that measurably increases early death risk?

[@ForagersGarden]

Let’s all use this as a gentle reminder to eat more whole plant foods!!

[@GarudaLegends]

Suppliments, Tofu, vegan milk, yeast, bread, pasta, ect... is not whole foods. This is why vegans are super unhealthy

[@TrolleRistian]

no

[@annapomelo3818]

I always try to eat one block of tofu a day. Or soy-skyr.

[@ForagersGarden]

@ hell yeah I have a local tofu producer in my area and they make 5 lb blocks for everyone! Love tofu💕

[@Kristers_K]

If i'm not mistaken Steak and Butter Gal was a raw vegan...which regularly correlates with loss of menstrual cycles. It's really no surprise she blames veganism when she is that clueless.

[@Cancellator5000]

Yeah, that makes the most sense with people that say these kinds of things. Raw just makes a diet that is arguably challenging to get enough calories on even more challenging. I wouldn't say people can't thrive on a raw diet, but I certainly couldn't. It also correlates with people who try out more plant-based diets without learning any science-backed research about nutrition.

[@Kristers_K]

​@@Cancellator5000 Raw tends to be far less calorie dense than cooked foods so really it's no surprise. There is also the digest-ability factor, sure fruit is easily assimilated, but vegetables are far hardier uncooked and the the fact you can't eat calorie dense foods like cooked potatoes or rice or grains is a major downside. I find that getting abundant calories with cooked foods is really easy, starchy foods are readily available and cheap, cooked potatoes alone have a lot of energetic value.

[@adiohead]

It's all about calories.

[@Cancellator5000]

@@Kristers_K Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly the benefit of raw is other than people thinking it's more natural. It's also not good from a food safety pov. Seems like it would take 10x the thought and time to make it work and unclear if there are any benefits. Most people struggle with the additional time/thought a vegan diet takes given we don't live in a world that caters to that diet in any way shape or form. Even places that sell vegan options don't really put in the thought to make a well rounded full meal a lot of the time. Raw seems like a misguided thing to recommend someone who isn't even vegan yet. People even struggle getting enough calories as a vegetarian.

[@educational-101]

I strongly oppose long-term raw food diets, although I acknowledge that many individuals have followed such diets for decades and appear to be thriving. I believe that the success of raw food diets is largely anecdotal, with some individuals experiencing benefits while others do not.

[@viviendaquino8364]

She claims she doesn't have dairy and yet her name is, Steak and 'BUTTER' Gal'. What?

[@WiseandVegan]

They are not the brightest.

[@erefemdroog7267]

She's prolly dyslexic and meant diary

[@PrinzessKennY]

She'd also claim to not be a pathological liar for money and fame :> glad some people in the community called her out on her bs..

[@KarelSeeuwen]

Well, I don't eat Soy, but I drink lots of Soy oil.

[@dachsrottweiler]

But it inflames her🤣

[@jdw0426]

Steak n BUTTER gal relies so much on her anecdote to defend her choices, yet doesn't hesitate to lie to win the debate

[@ChiChiBean49]

This is what also kills me.. people complain that the vegan diet is so restrictive. But they will support and applaud the carnivore diet which is SEVERELY restrictive! Like what actual hell????

[@markmorgan8416]

I agree. There is so much variety in plant based eating.

[@dented_riddles9967]

Haha yeah, one diet consists of basically two things, the other consists of everything EXCEPT two things.

[@SergePavlovsky]

all spices are plants. do those cultists avoid spices?

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

And now she listens to the people who say that high cholesterol is not an issue.

[@thomasjr8318]

If you think it is an issue, then where is your evidence that high LDL cholesterol is an issue in a metabolically fat-adapted (long-term ketogenic) and/or long-term carnivore cohort? Ah, yes, it does not exist. You are merely extrapolating correlations from observational trials or mendelian-randomized trials of a cohort with hypercholesterolemia to the metabolically fat-adapted (long-term ketogenic) or long-term carnivore cohort. Or, perhaps you are extrapolating trials showing in vivo of people who eat a standard American diet how a high LDL particle count can damage arteries. A person who cannot see the logical fallacy of these kind of reasonings should perhaps start eating some meat.

[@adiohead]

​@@thomasjr8318 low LDL means low chance of atherosclerosis and high LDL increases this chance. Either way, it's morally wrong to exploit animals.

[@KelVarnsen-j9k]

@@thomasjr8318 I think people's CAC scores actually went up following a carnivore diet in that Harvard study done on them. Besides, why would it be any different for the groups you're talking about? If anything, it would be worse due to the lack of fiber in their diets reducing LDL cholesterol so more LDL can interact with the arterial wall and promote heart disease. Obviously the huge saturated fat load as well

[@vietnamd0820]

@@thomasjr8318 It’s not a matter of whether some random KZbinr like myself believes ldl cholesterol is an issue …the Cleveland Clinic states “too much LDL cholesterol in your body can raise your risk of heart disease and stroke.” That is one medical organization out of many that argues that

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@thomasjr8318 umm, where is your evidence that high LDL is NOT an issue? Because so far we did not see humans producing studies with those results. Studies with opposite results - plenty of them. You're the one saying that everyone is wrong and you're the one having zero proofs for it. Keto is also one of the deadliest things long-term, and you don't have other evidence as well. There are virtually none high-perfomance elite athletes doing this dumb diets, but there are a lot of elite vegan athletes.

[@TheLocalFuzz]

I don't believe Steak & Butter Gal was ever a vegan.

[@dj-fe4ck]

Was she dairy free and egg free vegetarian?

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

@@dj-fe4ck She was on raw till 4 to lose weight, she started it because of Freelee.

[@leonardodavinci7425]

Probably a raw vegan following freelee the banana girl which inevitably lead to health problems

[@OnenessAwareness]

I was thinking the same thing

[@84Mazzy]

And even if she did i doubt it was six years given she said she was on the edge of death lol

[@jarvistech112]

I lose brain cells watching Steak and Butter Girl. She’s being willfully ignorant about the things she says.

[@Ane127]

Probably paid.

[@injunsun]

"The grift is strong, with this one." ~ Yoda (paraphrasing)

[@TrolleRistian]

you lose brain cells from being a vegan

[@Radiomiley.]

and she is so proud of it too

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

She knows what she's doing.

[@Corilo91]

These "thing VS thing" shows are rage inducing. They imply that everything is a matter of opinion. There's no fact-checking. Even the people on the "good" side often make wild nonsensical takes.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Yes, I don't even want to watch, it gets so infuriating

[@cscscs9152]

And vegans will take one dumb person on the carnivore diet, and disregard everything about the diet just because an unintelligent person is consuming it. Crazy logic, but they deserve the consequences of being even more dumb than the person they are laughing at, and being dumb enough to never realize this.

[@JBSprig]

It's modern "Jerry Springer." Social carnage for clicks.

[@kwimms]

By design... it's all bs.

[@frankmerlino336]

My ignorance is just as valid as your expertise.

[@DenKulesteSomFins]

People need to stop being proud of not using supplements. Supplements when you don't have enough of x nutrient in your diet is A GOOD THING.

[@michaelt8388]

Besides B12, expensive urine.

[@mayhu3282]

I agree. B12 is extremely affordable, very easy to take, and the regular blood work most insurances and national health services cover do not detect deficiencies (since serum B12 is not enough). Why risk it? I cannot understand it.

[@LaurenForster]

The human body doesn't recognise supplement pills and excretes them, nothing is as good as the real thing 🥩🥛.

[@SergePavlovsky]

@@michaelt8388 where do you get d3 and long chain omega3 from?

[@emilyking9558]

The plants rights people seem to not consider that more plants are needed to feed a cow than a person. When I was a baby vegan and figuring out all the moral dilemmas I went with my gut. Like parents take kids apple picking as a wholesome activity, but if you show kids the inside of a slaughter house they will be traumatized. Killing plants and animals are very different

[@adiohead]

She admitted to not taking any supplements when she was supposedly vegan.

[@MictheVegan]

Good to know!

[@michaelt8388]

The only one I take is B12. Vegan over 6 yrs.

[@psyborg1981]

​@@michaelt8388You should consider taking more supplements. I am vegan for about 20 years,but after 5 to 10 years you will get other deficiancies than B12.

[@ostamaza22-yt4sq]

Did you just admit vegan diet is inherently deficient...?

[@Nanashi-sz6wc]

@@ostamaza22-yt4sq Vegan diet includes supplements. Are you anti-supplement? Just because a diet relies on supplements does not mean it's unhealthy. In fact, it's likely more healthy than not supplementing for the average person.

[@nunyabizz50]

two points I can attest too. 1 My wife was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia about 35 years ago and she spent 31 years in pain and the only thing doctors did was give her Rx for opioids, no mention of diet, which helped but pain still about a 4 down from an 8, I got her off the opioids an onto cannabis 15 years ago and occasionally got the pain down to a 1. She was getting worse though even with the cannabis, she was over weight, could not keep up at all on our dog walks and we thought at the time was literally months away from being forced to use a walker. Long story longer, we went vegan over 3 years ago and in 3 weeks she was PAIN FREE for the first time in 35 years. We believe it was mostly the dairy. 2. I was getting in bad shape myself and didn't know why, when I told the doctor that I went vegan she immediately ordered a B-12 test added to my usual blood test, I had never had a B-12 test in my life and my B-12 was at 64 and I have no idea how long it was that low. And keep in mind I was eating the hell out meat and eggs and lots of foods with B-12 but my body was not transforming it, most likely gene related, intrinsic factor etc. But it had gone on so long at such low levels that was getting nerve damage, I am still dealing with this today in my feet. My last B-12 test I was at 795. So in my case going vegan caused an earlier diagnosis of frankly what should be part of every blood test and possibly averted even further damage. Vegan diet is working well for my wife and I in our mid and late 60s This meat and butter loon sounds to me like she was eating raw veggies and potato chips. and her current diet is probably going to put her in an early grave.

[@carbrock.2854]

Steak 'n' BUTTER gal doesn't consume DAIRY, whhaaaat? It's in her name! Unless it's butter made from "plant toxins".

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Yeap, thats as comical as it gets. All of these carnivore people eat butter with a spoon.

[@thomasjr8318]

She clearly means products with dairy proteins (butter has almost none). Many people in the carnivore community eat butter but avoid all other diary. So, it is understandable.

[@sonja4164]

@thomasjr8318 how do you know what she means?

[@thomasjr8318]

@@sonja4164 I am a carnivore myself and have listened to videos of hers and others.

[@WiseandVegan]

They are liars for fame.

[@lisagallo1745]

I lost my menstrual cycle when I practically starved myself in my teens, so it may be why, she just wasn't consuming enough nutrients on a vegan raw food diet instead of a wholefood healthy Vegan diet. As for the ridiculous argument that animals feel pain no more than vegetables, sorry but the pain animals, birds, fish experience is as observable as the pain humans feel, so it's a matter of degree. We have to eat, and there's so much yummy food that we can eat, with the least amount of violence as possible in this precious world.

[@drunkvegangal8089]

I had an 8 month episode of amenorrhea in my early 20s because I was over-excercising. When I finally took my Dr's advice, and tried a less strenuous workout schedule, within weeks my cycles returned. I was an omnivore in those days too. I wonder what steak-and-butter-gal's Dr said about her amenorrhea

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

@@lisagallo1745 I was consuming over 4000 calories a day, sedentary, and I was losing weight... Turns out I'm allergic to plant foods which is why I couldn't get any calories from my food. I guess same sort of thing for her. Allergic to plants, therefore gut throws it out.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

@@drunkvegangal8089 I went to docs for 10 years about my problems and their answers only put me deeper in the hole. Found one who does research, he gave me a RAST, came back allergic to plants... Had to go carnivore.

[@HenryFromWob]

Additionally, do these carnivores assume that the cattle they eat do not need plants that are, according to their own beliefs, sentient? And if so, why would they cause even greater harm by feeding more plants to animals that they then eat instead of harvesting a lot less plants they would need on a vegan diet? It just doesn't make any sense 😄

[@emmabrister747]

This Jubilee video was so irresponsible. They didn't fact check anything, and the meat eaters were literally spewing misinformation left right and center.

[@brothermayihavesomeloops7048]

6:05 From my armchair, I'm confident that she was in a vegan corner of a pro-eating disorder space when someone said "losing your period means you're doing it [ie, starving yourself] right." And she's twisting the details so that it's "technically true" and she can keep her conscience clear.

[@thomasjr8318]

So, whenever somebody says they were vegan and got problems, they were doing it wrong? Explains your thinking in a nutshell.

[@brothermayihavesomeloops7048]

@thomasjr8318 When someone who was clearly restricting their diet claims that veganism caused their amenorrhea, I believe their story is disingenuous, yes.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@thomasjr8318 vegan = hundreds of products. You could drink soda and eat french fries all day - vegan. You could have pasta only diet - vegan. Vegan is not equal to healthy automatically. You could eat unhealthy no matter what - but with some diets you can't eat healthy (like carnivore). Losing your period is not healthy, and if people were saying that, that is not some place she was that was focused on health.

[@haylaebay]

Almost every popular vegan youtuber was practicing seriously disordered eating and that's why so many of them have gone back to either SAD or other weird shit like this. The remaining vegans are doing it right for the most part.

[@injunsun]

​@thomasjr8318 One can't simply stop eating animal products, without any training in how to cook and eat without them and expect it to be fine. P.b.& J. plus potato chips and beer can be Vegan, but you would eventually die of vitamin deficiencies. Most people are Omnivores, so they are eating meats, but also fruits and veg. It's hard to get deficiencies that way, but still possible (see Vitamin K2, which we are all likely deficient in). A friend of mine went Vegan for six months to lose weight, and gained 100 pounds. He told me, "And don't tell me I was doing it wrong." I asked him what he ate. Pasta and rice, with various sauces. Nuts and legumes? Nope. Lots of veg in the sauces? Nope. He developed vitamin deficiencies, and was craving protein, so, he WAS doing it wrong. I hope this helps.

[@radicalveg00]

I must admit I find it disconcerting when I see fit, attractive-looking people, especially females, singing the praises of carnivorism. I have to remind myself they are still young and any dietary errors in judgment they're making are years from being manifested.

[@StephenLee-gn9wx]

You are right the meat eating women look much healthier. The raw meat eater is the healthiest looking on the panel.

[@MammothMorals]

@@StephenLee-gn9wxskinny doesn’t equal healthy. Neither does muscle but if I had to guess who was the healthiest there, i’d put my money on the black guy.

[@StephenLee-gn9wx]

@ Agreed but they both look healthy not just slim.

[@cryforthemoon]

Because they saw someone that looked pretty eating it and they want a quick fix.

[@cryforthemoon]

@@StephenLee-gn9wx They give the born male vibe.

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

I genuinely don't understand how the carnivores can sit there and spout their pseudoscientific guff with a straight face with an insanely jacked vegan sitting across from them. It's beyond absurd.

[@jc2557]

Young vegan! Lets see how well he looks at Shaun Bakers age near 60 still getting world strength records!

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

@ Ah stop, Sean Baker looks like he’s on the verge of a massive heart attack. Let’s see who’s ALIVE at 80/90/100, then we’ll talk.

[@SarahWedde]

​@@jc2557Oh bless. You have no idea how old Torre Washington is do you?

[@dj.h7424]

baker berry and chaffee et al are shilling, they don't even deny it. They got very rich because most of us are stupid.

[@AaronVets]

@@jc2557🧠💀🤡

[@NathanBlackberry]

Vegan for the victims 🥺🙏🫂🐷🐮🐔💚💚💚

[@jc2557]

Vegans ARE the victims!

[@LouisGedo]

👋 hi

[@anonymous00997]

💚💚💚

[@timothylombard1510]

Steak and BUTTER Gal thinks she's not comsuming dairy... what does she think BUTTER is made from? Lol, I'm afraid to ask where she thinks the steak comes from!

[@starcatcher3691]

If she's eating butter, she is eating dairy. What is so weird is how can she look like that eating tons of butter and fat? It seems fishy

[@11235Aodh]

She's also the "never swallows" girl. If you can point out one clip (please don't, don't want to give her views) of her where she actually swallows what she says she's eating. It's all for show and money.

[@AndrewCasti-ej9wo]

@@11235Aodh there are videos where she swallows. What's your point now?

[@LaurenForster]

Called humans eat meat and animal fats for millenia with no cases of obesity. It's the proper human diet.

[@11235Aodh]

@@LaurenForster This isn't true. Later archaeological findings (and the science to interpret them better) have shown that humans throughout history got the bulk of their calories from starches. You'd think that if we ate meat for millennia that our bodies would be better adapted. Meanwhile even dogs have gotten the ability to digest starches (something a wolf can't do) due to their close proximity to humans and their food.

[@11235Aodh]

@@AndrewCasti-ej9wo Well, then she maybe is the perfect wife she calls herself.

[@wildrice8199]

Her claim of *her* vegan diet being more expensive could be more evidence of her following a raw vegan diet. Buying exclusively fresh, organic fruits and vegetables can be quite pricy. These are all relatively high cost per calorie foods. That's the only way I can think of for the claim to be true, since she wasn't buying mock meats

[@drunkvegangal8089]

Still, the phraseology of "bring the receipts" should literally apply here.

[@conradtaylor29]

Raw vegan doesn't mean that you're consuming only organic fruits and vegetables. Raw vegans eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, sprouted grains and legumes, and fermented foods like kimchi and miso. They avoid foods that require cooking, like meat, dairy, pasta, and processed foods. Finally, if you're following whole food plant based diet, you're always buying fresh produce where it can be both organic or non-organic as well as cooked and/or uncooked.

[@Yorker1998]

A vegan diet is expensive. It absolutely is.

[@CtheForestthroughtheTrees]

@NewYorker1998 Yeah, all those beans and rice are busting my budget!

[@justjay2955]

​@@Yorker1998 Yeah cause potatoes, flour and soya mince are sooo expensive

[@Avianthro]

Gee, what if they'd invited Mic the Vegan to participate in their debate? Well, it wouldn't have been much of a show since Mic would shut down the anti-vegan gang and nuke their "arguments' in a heartbeat.

[@11235Aodh]

Lifting vegan logic's Danny and dr. Matthew Nagra also signed up but weren't invited.

[@babs926]

Thanks for the video,Mic. I nearly started writing a comment that would be too long to fit anywhere. Then I took a step back and thought, these carnists aren’t even worth commenting on. They talk so much BS, and they are so full of themselves, it just totally fills me with negative feelings. So I’m stepping back, giving you a friendly wave and a smile and a thumbs up. Wishing you and your family a happy and healthy new year. 🤗👋👍

[@LReneeMorris]

I admire your ongoing steadfast care for vegans. This has. Gone on so long. And with so many ads about don’t worry about high cholesterol and social media. I applaud you for doing such a great job. Thank you so much. Happy New year.

[@sonja4164]

Home girl seems really dishonest.

[@Psartz]

Most likely, she isn't even on a carnivore diet. She's doing it for views and eating all types of plant foods behind the cameras.

[@AaronVets]

@@Psartz💯🎯🌱

[@swites]

S&B girl sounds like she was accidentally calorie restricting as listening to too many raw vegan influences in the early 2010's. I've seen it first hand with a cyclist who was very strict and only ate perfect unprocessed wholefoods when he went vegan due to his perfection mindset. He had a very active lifestyle, so required more calories than average. But since he was eating only high fibre plant foods with no added fat, and nothing refined like white flour or white rice his daily calories was perhaps only ~1600Cals( at a guess) when he prob required 2500+ He become pale skinny weak and anemic. Lost tonnes of weight and had to give up cycling because he had no energy to train. I told him what he needed to do but he didn't listen,. Luckily he did a nutrition course at Uni the next yr with his degree, the penny dropped, he started eating a well planned vegan diet. He put weight back on, became strong and fit. Had that healthy glow back and was back competing in triathlons again! Yes he did vegan wrong! When he did it right he thrived :)

[@SergePavlovsky]

what are you talking about? you don't need added fat or white flour for 2500 ccal. whole grains and legumes are 3xx ccal per 100g

[@swites]

@@SergePavlovsky They're full of fibre so aren't calorie dense like say refined oil and sugar filled junkfood. Fibre fills you up. Not rocket science. 1cup of cooked lentils is 116Cals because no ones eat dry beans and dry uncooked lentils as per the figure you use above.

[@SergePavlovsky]

@@swites are you off your meds? when will you learn fact checking before posing bs? they have few percent of fiber, but they still have 3xx ccal per 100g just like pure sugar has 3xx ccal per 100g. obviously i was referring to uncooked grains, but you'll have to cook your white rice or refined flour too and it will have about same caloric density as cooked whole grains or legumes.

[@swites]

@@SergePavlovsky 100g's of sugar has 400Cals per 100g's. You are posting calories per dry weight of lentils and beans. No one eats dry lentils and beans which are like hard rocks that will break your teeth. People who start calling people names do so when they have no argument. Stop projecting. HTH

[@jvlbme]

So her thing is not getting things right in life. So glad she's an influencer. 🙄 Now more stupids can get things wrong. 👍

[@ryanp2518]

As a vegan is find myself facing all kinds of lies from the other side.

[@Somun-a]

Everyone should stop paying attention to these influencers (you are not one of them of course, Mic). These people are slowly frying the minds of the young generation.

[@AaronVets]

💯🎯🌱💚✌🏽

[@stuartblevins891]

Steak and *butter* gal? Claiming not to eat dairy? Blatant bullsh it.

[@Mbspitz851]

She is a liar.

[@leviahimsa]

She did do the diet wrong, just as she did the ethical principle wrong. Is that not allowed to be said?

[@MasonOfLife]

She was probably low iron as well I have a family history of anemia, and when I searched how much iron an adult male needs they say 8mg, but when you specify vegan/vegetarian they say 32mg So I was thinking I had enough iron but did not, so I supplemented at first and then increased the amount of iron rich foods I ate to combat the anemia If she wasn’t conscious of her iron intake she easily could have been lacking (might have been a reason for her period stopping too, as the loss of iron in menstruation is fairly notable) This is obviously just a theory tho

[@11235Aodh]

Iron overload is very dangerous, always be careful with it. Dr. Peter Rogers has a few lectures on iron overload.

[@CraigHocker]

I'm not vegan, but I've really cut back on meat consumption as I've gotten older and increased the plant based content of my meals (going more mediterranean and fiber if anything). It's rather amusing to see people that look like babies expound on steak and butter. At their age, I could eat just about anything and thrive. Like to see what they look like when still doing it over 60. This swinging from one extreme to another extreme is just bizarre to me. Is it just because they are trying to stand out on social media?

[@rachelmcgill8143]

I agree!

[@starrynightfall00]

I've been veg/vegan for over 10 years. You do not lose your period on this diet. You only lose it if you are starving yourself. In my late teens when I was a meat eater, I lost my period for 5 months from starving myself but never once have I lost it on a vegan diet. Brain fog is also caused by starvation. So in other words, it sounds like the butter woman had an eating disorder Edit: and yes... many people who've done a raw vegan diest starve themselves. For example, if they're just drinking juice and nothing else...that's basically starvation.

[@nyjord2]

ty youre just admitting raw plant foods are starvation foods therefore you have to cook (denaturalize it) so u can survive on very high carbohydrate diet. total glucoholic to age as quick as possible for no reason

[@andrewbrock4636]

​@@nyjord2any food is a starvation food if not eating enough. You seem to have very poor reading comprehension

[@vegangames3468]

There is a video with her admitting she never took B12.

[@umai_job_guarantee]

I lost my period and thyroid function on vegan keto last winter, trying to go below 18 BMI to qualify for a bodybuilding competition (low bodyfat), got it back by eating high fruit, high carb, my strength is better on carbs too. Also Neil Barnard has a book on hormones, and says peak fertility is about BMI 20-21, and drops both below and above (where PCOS starts) And the book "secret life of fat" has research about ballerinas, of them 30% or so loose their period, and they concluded that the threshold was 105 lbs or so, around 46 or 48 kg, I forgot, same for the first period - starts at that weight, that's why Americans girls are having earlier periods according to Harvard Public health, due to excess calories About autoimmune and stomach pain - Paul Saladino first wrote "carnivore code" but 2 years ago he added fruit to lower his cortisol, fix his testosterone and thyroid etc but not grain, because he can't digest even rice, my theory is it may have to do with fiber types in dicot plants (round leaves) vs monocot plants (thin grass leaves), that's why potatoes might digest better than grains, and are recommend by the Ray Peat diets (meat+fruit) like thermo-diet. For carnivores having bad reactions to beans and lentils - I hope the ongoing Second Great Domestication (of microorganisms) will invent precision fermentation, which can ferment foods to identical tastes to cheese and meat (I think in Finland they already made fungi fermented vegan albumine) so just hang in there! Meanwhile you can improve your gut microbiome by eating ripe fruit (especially on the "low fodmap" list)

[@Nikolya-ql4ms]

Campylobacter,salmonella,yersinia,clostridium perfringens,BSE(bovine spongiform encephalitis),scrapie etc...

[@CarlaGolden]

I’m 55 years old. Vegan for 10 years. What I wouldn’t do to lose my period at this point. Come on menopause!!! 😂

[@LaurenForster]

Only 10 years😂. Reason you're still menstruating is because you weren't vegan most your life and largely genetics.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

It's not just that plants don't have central nervous systems, but there is no purpose for plants to feel pain. The purpose of pain is to alert the sufferer that something is wrong, and to move away from the source or stop the damage being caused. A plant can't do that. Feeling pain would only be torture for a plant because they would have to endure it and not be able to do anything about it. It doesn't make any sense.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

I also like to point out to people that claim this, that fruit is produced by plants for the purpose of being eaten as part of their procreation so if they are truly concerned about plants feelings, they can eat fruit.

[@user-rr2uh2xe6t]

I've been vegan for about 4 years and i have more muscle than I ever have. If you're only eating vegetables and fruit, that's no good. Cn we get some whole grain or starch in this motha fucka!? Stop trying to stay thin and eat to live better!

[@andrewbrock4636]

Same. Never had a single issue at all. Like is it really so hard to eat potatos and beans?

[@drayanicole]

So weird because eating plant based brought my period back!!!

[@pattheplanter]

Cook your food and never forget that potatoes are a superfood.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Vegan bodybuilder sitting right there....but she claims you cant thrive be8ng vegan mmmkay

[@keeganitreal]

The problem with these middle ground episodes is the editing. They edit the beginning to make us look bad and then don’t include the full 4 hour conversation. If they actually cared they would post the full unedited version.

[@biancat.1873]

When she said, she wasn't consuming dairy anymore, then I would've been: So you're just *_Steak Gal_* now?

[@Nikolya-ql4ms]

Compare cutting tomatoes or skinning banana or gardening with slaughter...

[@jomaby3693]

lol, plants that have literally evolved to have their fruit eaten to disperse seeds.

[@libertadvalerio870]

It was obvious to me that teak and butter gal was repeating a script and lying through her teeth. Additionally, who wants to be called steak and butter? Disgusting 🤮

[@NoirHammer]

I like how the vegan diet is perceived as if it were a person that can be blamed for all their mistakes. These carnivores failed themselves. I'd like Butter Gal not to wear makeup so we can see her skin health. She uses so much of it I have to wonder.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Why does she keep that name if she knows that dairy is inflammatory? Will she still keep the name when she finds out that meat is also inflammatory?

[@tely5]

Old guy here who has seen it all before: You will never go broke selling people unhealthy fad diets that let them eat what they wanted to eat anyway. There will always be a Steak and Butter Gal, the position is eternal and part of the human condition.

[@cryforthemoon]

Even when I was raw vegan I never lost my period like this steak and butter gal experienced. But I recognize that all our bodies are different. Honestly, I had the worst period cramps when I used to eat meat.

[@smile2lisa]

The asian who says tofu is bad omg I am dead 😵

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

My B12 more than doubled when I went vegan many years ago

[@CraigHocker]

12:10 it's really sad to see a comment there stating "red meat is not known to cause inflammation" OMG, the complete ignorance is astounding.

[@saikiranvonnapuram2533]

This debate is like 5th grade students sitting together and discussing. Specially talking about carnivores.

[@mcanqb]

Misinformation should be punishable. It’s impossible to talk to these people.

[@mikeoxlong4358]

Thank you for covering this, I was gonna watch that video myself, but I thought fuck it, no one is going to stress me out on my phone.

[@prieten49]

I just can't imagine that type of encounter debate between several vegans and several carnivores would really change any minds. The anecdotal evidence is so pervasive in the carnivore arguments. Listening to vegans saying "That's not true," is okay but one really needs fewer, more informed voices on both sides. Steak & Butter Gal and Ms. Raw Meat were certainly very attractive women and pleasant to look at. That seems to be their main online "credentials" and will keep the money pouring in until they have a heart attack or whatever.

[@dj.h7424]

exactly, they've been selected for looks and reasonable intelligence. like chaffee etc. it's an even bigger shill than tobacco ever was.

[@timothylombard1510]

If you want see what it looks like when large swaths of the population rely on hunting for sustenance, come to Vietnam, where there are no wild mammals left aside from a few ultra reclusive antelope.

[@starcatcher3691]

Sad

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

The lack of birdsong is surreal. It's such a shame when so you have such delicious vegan options in Vietnam too, fruit and herbs we could only dream of here in Ireland.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

The sad reality is most have no clue how to go vegan, what to eat, and how to maintain top line health. Personally I find it quite easy to remain Whole food plant based without consideration

[@richardlynch1094]

I'll be watching the Physician's Committee to get information about to maximize my wfpd diet. Let's talk about how awesome AQUAFABA is! Or mung bean scrambles. Love you Mic, but I don't give a sh@t about this stuff. Signed, a fellow scientist. Happy New Year.

[@brothermayihavesomeloops7048]

There are many channels with exclusively that content, as you're aware.

[@richardlynch1094]

@brothermayihavesomeloops7048 thank you for your comment. Mic is an evidenced based wfpb scientist. That's why I'm a fan. People killing themselves for celebrity is SICK to me. I don't need to see it. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@LaurenForster]

​@@richardlynch1094veganism is sick I agree. Mic has no evidence to support his delusions, much like all vegans.

[@KhallDrake]

There are just shy of 40 million deer in North America. If every family got one deer per year, the dear would all be gone in under 6 months. As in none left at all. The 1 million moose, then gone the week after. Bears, rabbits, gone in another few months. Not to mention the negligent hunting deaths with 40+ million people out hunting now.

[@CatLover-g7j]

PLANTS HAVE FAMILIES........😂😂😅

[@11235Aodh]

Which are all killed by the animal agriculture way of mono crop farming to get as much from the soil. Leaving the mycelium bonds underground devastated and the soil barren. Trees actually communicate across these mycelium pathways in a healthy forest. But no, not like a mother cow and a calve family.

[@jayeshpatel9854]

The carnies are so compassionate or makes me tear up. 😂

[@rainbowtravelingyogi]

Sounds like some people just don’t know how to be vegan😂

[@chiyerano]

She says she was vegan but we don't really know what exactly she ate as a vegan, all we know is what she did NOT eat as a vegan which can make all the difference. It sounds like she was not eating enough fatty plant based foods when she was vegan? I don't know. As it has been said, this is just anecdotal.

[@11235Aodh]

She was just massively under eating. The mcDougall starch solution is around 10% fat in total and we don't see these problems with their long term members.

[@01devlieger]

I get the impression that most meat eaters are completely unaware of what a vegan diet really is. They don't even bother to do so.

[@themoonflowerfaerie]

My son is on carnivore and he uses that plant pain/killing thing on me. I’m vegetarian right now, but did have meat over the last year. I don’t want to but have been very pressured by my dr and son. I am almost in tears; sometimes I do cry when I eat meat. I just want to regain my health as a vegetarian. Possibly be vegan some day. I can’t eat any grains with gluten because I’m allergic to it. Oats aren’t good or quinoa because it acts like gluten in the body. I would love to have heard more of the responses from the vegan individuals. It seems like Meat n Butter kept interrupting everyone. I wasn’t very impressed with what I heard from her here. Happy New Year everyone 😊

[@lisagallo1745]

Dear Moon Flower, Life comes life, but it's the degree of consciousness that distinguishes how much suffering will be experienced. It's so obvious that animals feel happiness, sadness, motherly affection, grief etc., the same as us. When there is an abundance of food which humans can consume without causing such pain to another fully Cognizant life, why would we, that's just blood lust. There are many traditional plant based diets, ei: rice, beans, flat breads, homus, loads of delicious fruits and vegetables, the list is endless. Don't be bullied, dear friend.

[@themoonflowerfaerie]

@ 💗

[@andrewbrock4636]

Any argument they use is applicable to meat at many magnitudes greater. Animals dont feed themselves from air

[@justorion1098]

So wait, Steak and Butter Gal doesn’t consume cow’s milk? Is the butter that she’s eating plant based? LOL

[@DylanBlanko]

Vegans who are served shellfish "That's a wild clam"

[@JBSprig]

To me, it sounds like both young women did a terrible job being vegans. Like they pretended to be vegans for the click-click, but didn't actually eat right at all, and had major issues. In this case, it's not veganism's fault, it's your own failure(s) to know what you (both) were doing.

[@anunthornvinij61]

Steak and butter gal just made me feel shameful to be Asian somehow lol. The amount of dishonesty... wow

[@spliter227]

I'm a recent ex vegan and I would never argue against veganism because I still agree with the ethics and health wise know it works for some. I wish it did for me, but not only did I feel benefits from it, I also started experiencing health issues. I ate a regular wfpb diet with no restrictions (legumes,gluten, soy etc) I took all the recommended supplements, never did any weird raw new age diets. I still eat 95% wfpb but add some meat (not factory farmed) occasionally to cover my bases and it's helped me start feeling better.

[@mayhu3282]

What problems were you experiencing?

[@spliter227]

@@mayhu3282 quite a few, but mainly getting sick all the time. before i was vegan i almost never got sick. p.s. I was vegan for 7 years. other issues were grey hair, skin aging, teeth rotting, poor vision...I had none of these before. it really did a number on me, but hey I cleaned out my arteries and cured my slightly high blood pressure so thats a big plus.

[@mayhu3282]

@@spliter227 What do you mean exactly by "being sick"? Getting infections or throwing up? Both thinks could have reasons explaining them. I'm sorry you went through that by the way. Edit: I'm not a native speaker, that's why I'm not completely sure what you mean.

[@spliter227]

@@mayhu3282 more like infections, like colds and flus type thing. thank you for the compassion though, i'm doing ok currently

[@mayhu3282]

@spliter227 I see. I'm glad you're feeling better now. Happy 2025

[@sr-kt9ml]

It's crazy how these carnivore people will straight up just lie and say they eat nothing but meat. There's no way in hell people go that long without eating any type of vegetable or at least supplementing. How are we supposed to debate people who don't even tell the truth

[@AnnBertholf]

She doesn’t eat dairy? Why does she call herself steak and butter gal? Dairy is in her handle.

[@Echogem222]

Your video didn’t mention this, but I think it’s important to highlight that while a vegan diet is often healthier, there are situations where it can actually be less healthy, even on a whole foods plant-based diet. One key factor is access to clean water. Vegans who cook all their own food often use significantly more water than non-vegans who also cook their own meals. If the water source isn’t clean, vegans might end up consuming more toxins, leading to various health problems. I personally experienced this issue, and it took me a long time to figure out what was happening. Many vegans online dismissed my concerns, making me feel like it was all in my head instead of encouraging me to investigate the real cause. It would be helpful if you could address issues like this in your content moreso. Sometimes people give up on a vegan diet because of external factors-like unclean water-rather than because the diet itself is inherently flawed. Additionally, food contamination is another concern, even with some vegan pre-made foods or whole foods. These kinds of challenges can lead people to believe the diet isn’t working for them, when in reality, it’s due to external issues rather than the vegan diet itself (and to clarify, I'm on a vegan diet).

[@11235Aodh]

Dr. Peter Rogers has done many lectures on toxicology and also recommends people getting an osmosis filter or distill their water.

[@Echogem222]

@@11235Aodh I actually use a ZeroWater filter, it works super well.

[@johncrondis4563]

To be honest, I don't even think she was actually vegan with how high her LDL was and how much she lies.

[@frootypebblz5904]

I’ve been vegan for 3 years now and traveling with family and the holidays are the hardest. EVERY holiday party I go to someone’s gotta say all I eat is grass or all I can eat are peanuts etc. and they feel bad for me or make fun. I hate being put in the spotlight and I don’t want to have to explain myself cuz that’s not why I’m there. I’m there for family..if I brought up how they eat every single time wouldn’t it get old? Makes it difficult sometimes when I’m feeling low. Just let me eat how I wanna eat damnit 😂

[@mayhu3282]

Who starts those conversations? I've been vegan for two years, and since I never speak about my veganism to non vegans, nobody has said anything. If anyone has tried, I've just changed the topic. All the best.

[@frootypebblz5904]

@ I never bring it up, but others do because I’m the only one not eating the food served at the parties. So it’s conversation for them every year. I just smile and joke, but it gets annoying and hard when people talk down about it or asking when I’ll eat normal again.. it’s usually kinda light hearted.. just gets old.

[@mayhu3282]

@@frootypebblz5904 I'm so sorry. Maybe you could text them beforehand saying how uncomfortable this makes you. I hope things improve for you. Happy new year.

[@zhcoop]

If she was hungry all the time on a whole food plant based diet, she was not eating enough, she was anorexic, nothing to do with veganism

[@cryforthemoon]

Sorry, but if her idol for raw vegan was Freelee, I'm going to bet steak and butter gal restricted calories to mimic Freelee's figure. Even though Freelee promoted eating 4,000+ calories anyone that did that asked why they were gaining weight.

[@denverdc2994]

Thank you for all that you do!

[@themoonflowerfaerie]

I think another issue is eating too many processed foods. I tried being vegan around the beginning of Covid after being vegetarian for years. I ate a lot of processed food and gained tons of weight. I’ve eaten meat over the last year unwillingly due to my son and dr pressuring me. I still haven’t lost any weight and I just want to stay vegetarian which I have started again. I would eventually like to be vegan. But I don’t know how to balance it; be healthy and not gain anymore weight.

[@mayhu3282]

I would recommend looking into the many resources from plant based doctors. I recently bought a 2nd hand copy of Dr Barnard's "21 kickstart plan" and might try it after the holidays. Dr Fuhrman also has some very affordable meal plans for weight loss. There's an excellent website called "Hello Nutritrarian" with free and paying resources in that regard. Forks over Knives has some free meal plans.

[@WhyArentYouVegan]

It's weird seeing people just all out lie on television so they can feel better about harming animals for a sandwich.

[@starrynightfall00]

I appreciate you so much, Mic! You've always been the most steadfast and logical person in the vegan community :)

[@valeriegse4182]

Also lost my periods on a vegan diet but the gyn did not believe it was the cause so after investigating it turned out I actually have celiac! But yeah if you have celiac and go on a carnivore diet there is no gluten so you will be fine 😅

[@mayhu3282]

And you can be vegan and gluten free as so many of us are. There's online groups for gluten free vegans with thousands of members, so it's perfectly doable.

[@alexmacleod9727]

if she had these issues being vegan, fair enough.... everyone is different

[@rachelmcgill8143]

Exactly! ❤

[@jmax9782]

According to Doctor Joseph Rogan you don't need to worry about LDL cholesterol at all.😏

[@observingsystem]

Dr Psy-op haha

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

Dr. trust me bro Rogan

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Broe Brogan

[@zantecarroll4448]

anyone who has a bad experience eating plants is doing something weird ..maybe its their eating disorder?

[@benjaminwingchun9665]

She clearly wasnt eating enough, its the most commom thing with the people i know that have gone vegan then complained about how they feel

[@dianaalexdaniel]

Eating Animals clog up our Arteries and they also block up our Colon in the long run, causing us, Lifestyle Diseases in the Future, great video, Mic the Vegan 👍

[@markus_selloi]

Not gonna watch the jubilee vid, i don't want to have a stroke this close to new years..

[@robotplant5260]

Yes, plants do have families that’s why I eat a whole family of animals in a day duh

[@sidilicious11]

Yeah, it’s not a good debate point for sure