Mid

[@NitsuaBZ]

OCG can I copy your homework? Sure MD just change a few things so it's not obvious.

[@wraiax2398]

If the homework is good, I won't be complaining

[@pretends2know]

Considering Paleozoic in the thumbnail, I’m beginning to think Josh is tired of just being the Runick guy, so he’s gone all in on a trap deck.

[@lyncario5515]

You're not ready for Runick Paleo

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

​@@lyncario5515 no one is, even Josh is probably still prepping for the big reveal.

[@MrPikminmaster]

They're both old school-style decks that rely on slowly accumulating advantage by using interaction at the perfect time. Believe it or not I became a runick and paleo main before even hearing of Josh.

[@brightpowder_cena]

Josh has *always* been the Paleo guy

[@Sakura-2810]

He's been playing Paleo for longer than runick lol

[@arrownoir]

They accidentally copied and the OCG banlist. Now where’s the real banlist, Konami?

[@PPPPPPPP270]

This banlist seems very familiar

[@zenbozic6184]

i wonder how they realized limit, kaiser and turtle are problems... hmmm

[@marcelineabadeer3519]

There might be a lot more casual players in the tcg as well if decks wouldn’t cost 1000 bucks

[@e-tan3911]

Yeah honestly we need more budget decks and engines that allow casual players who want to see what competitive play is like to have a chance. Melodious and Tenpai are close, but the older stuff isn't getting reprinted fast enough so the market is still pricing casuals out even on them.

[@jtalkalot19]

There's been one deck in like the last 7 years that's been $1000 now everyone is one this 1K for deck for competitive. It's almost if they don't actually pay any attention to anything in this game and only see 1K deck.

[@e-tan3911]

@@jtalkalot19 Dude on average decks cost around $500-600 bucks, with cheaper decks being around the 400 dollar mark. Ignoring the obvious hyperbole of "1k dollar deck" it's still easy to see that the game is extremely overpriced and very hard for casual or budget players to enter.

[@marcelineabadeer3519]

@@jtalkalot19 I’m not sure if I understand you correctly but if you’re saying that not all competitive decks are 1000$ you’re of course right that was hyperbolic of me, but most competitive decks are at least 300$ and those are on the cheaper side which is an insane entry price

[@petiteexplication6249]

I dont understand why konami refuses to print the tactical try decks in tcg they would make bank just from people that would buy a ready to go deck to play with friends no reason we dont have more of those with easy decks like swordsoul tri brigade etc...

[@엘렉트럼]

I think Zeus to 2 is simply for the world championship, for the players to use 2 zeuses instead of 1 deck

[@lobsterbisque333]

3 Birth means nothing with Fenrir at 1, Wraitsoth at 1, TearKash at 1 and Unicorn at 2

[@anandhu487]

The fuckin deck is so toxic it shouldn't exist stop complaining 😒

[@al2PRO]

Go away kashtira Go away forever 🎉

[@Wyrser]

Good, Kashtira deserve nothing.

[@Zzz-j2f]

@@al2PROimagine seething about Kash of all decks

[@ohhuhwhatyeahuhhuh.ok.9354]

i'll never complain about floodgate hits lol. so this is good in my eyes

[@zenbozic6184]

yeah its not bad mid, it is good mid but mid all the same

[@MrGshinobi]

People are def sleeping on majespecter a bit, this is the first time ever in the OCG and MD where the new majespecter support will be legal alongside kirin AND electrumite, this is specially relevant in master duel that has 3 copies of kirin. Ofc im not expecting the deck to be meta, any pendulum deck in snake eyes format is doomed, but it has future potential as a rogue option imo.

[@afeathereddinosaur]

One thing I def remember is that majespecters are quite cheap

[@ericknunez8069]

Doesnt matter. All pendulum decks are a pile of the playlable ones and do the exact same thing. Adding a bounce to the end board will not fix the issues of pendulum strategies

[@afeathereddinosaur]

@@ericknunez8069 wow you must be very fun playing against

[@MrGshinobi]

@@ericknunez8069 that's just not remotely true and it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about

[@ericknunez8069]

@@MrGshinobi it is whether you like it or not. If you look at all the pendulum strategies that have been remotelly playlable in the last few years. They all have the exact same end goal Borreload, Barone, Apollousa, Endymion, IP, Odd-eyes vortex dragon etc. the combo pieces might change but the end result is the exact same boring sht that every other combo heavy deck could do but worse. If you look at a more recent prendulum strategy it was just Ignister Prominence turbo to end on a million negates. Kirin being there does not change anything

[@YanuYanu]

I'm glad that you went on in the end about snake eye having the format in a chokehold because genuinely. Rescue ace wouldn't need to lose air lifter if it wasn't because it ran star and oss package. Consistency hits suck but hey it's one step closer to less snake eyes in the meta

[@soranora4597]

Kaiser colosseum banned in every format. That'll make my friend happy. He's hated that card since the Arc V era when another friend and I were using it on him with boxers. Maybe I can get him to say yes to playing past formats.

[@LarcivescovodiCasapuzzano]

and in all this why floow is hit so bad in master duel? free map to 3 already.

[@lyncario5515]

Now that I think about it, R-Ace completely fell off in the tcg after Air-Lifter got limited, so who knows, maybe it's an ok middle ground to have it at 2.

[@samuelheddle]

I think RACE is good but it's just too clearly a strictly less good SE engine build so nobody's going to run it

[@Ragnarok540]

I like that players standards are increasing, A very obnoxious floodgate has been banned, another has been limited, and still they consider the banlist "mid".

[@mikeholland6750]

shocking that a banlist that doesnt impact the meta really at all is poorly received

[@tweekin7out]

@@mikeholland6750 game's still in a better state after implementation either way, and it's not like the paper game where we now have to wait 3 or 4 months for another list.

[@Ragnarok540]

@@tweekin7out exactly, we get monthly banlists, so don't expect them to change the meta overnight.

[@mikeholland6750]

@@tweekin7out why are you using a shitsandwich buffet to justify your shit sandwich? yugioh players are literally the most abused stockholm'd community. its shit just call it what it is

[@elquesohombre9931]

@@tweekin7outhence why it’s “mid” and not good. It’s not anything that anybody will be happy about, it’s literally just there. Nothing at all changes for anyone…

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

Less floodgates and FTKs are nice. Double Zeus is funny for a variety of reasons. Everything else is whatever to neat, Bonfire at 2 is only an "issue" because all the Snake-Eye limits mean you need to risk bricking on extra HOPTs to get to your Poplar add or risk not even seeing engine.

[@halowaffle25]

Konami: *Prints new Gimmick Puppet support* Also Konami: FTK's are unhealthy for the game regardless of how terrible they are, so we're banning Catapult Turtle.

[@Milika666]

As the title stated, just the overall feel of the game right now.

[@raymoo8504]

purrelyly hit is definitely because one of the guys behind the banlist got cooked by a purrely player and is now trying to take it out on them

[@crigonalgaming1258]

I hear ya. The guy probably hit Summon Limit too because Purrely can run that card no problem lol.

[@arjanzweers6542]

That argument of that OCG player really makes no sense. If you hit the consistency of a deck up to the point it isn't competitive anymore, you basically have killed the deck and it just becomes frustrating to play because you brick much more often with it. I will die on the hill that hitting the ceiling of a deck while keeping the consistency intact is the best way to go. Weaken it to the point where it sits at rogue or just below it, and let power creep do the rest. You can still play the deck perfectly fine, but it won't be broken anymore. When it comes to the casuals, while I don't know how the casual scene in the OCG looks like, they usually play a far more diverse amount of decks than what is currently competitive. The argument that banning cards in competitive decks will chase away casuals is one I'm very sceptical about. If anything casuals would cheer it on because that means their pet decks have a better chance against those decks.

[@yugimumoto1]

Yeah considering the ocgs philosophy it doesn't make a ton of sense

[@deepbluejeer]

If a casual player in the OCG gets their deck murdered on the banlist, they're going to move to a different card game, not a different deck.

[@telepathicdragon]

Yes you're right. Take tear for example, every list has a slightly different take on managing the ceiling of the deck and it's been fine so far. MD has been interesting because yes merlli is banned but having kit is so significant it'd be kind of weird not to have kit to regulate the general consistency of the deck's lines. Not to mention, idk if it really needed all the hits besides launching ishizu into the sun since they did effectively power creep tear with the introduction of bystials and kash as natural predators to tear who can snipe their fusion enablers and effectively remove extra deck pieces at will.

[@telepathicdragon]

@@deepbluejeer That's konami's fault for jeopardizing the validity of the decks in the 1st place. stop printing cards that you know you will inevitably have to ban and cause ripple effects through the community every time you do this. Banning is necessary because of their mistakes and they need to own up to them instead of dragging everyone else and making them suffer.

[@nojetplane]

Think of something like Kashtira. Yes with consistency hits the deck is bricky as hell and you'll lose half the time cause of it, but if you open well you can still get to Arise heart, summon the bad ass robot dude on the black card and insta win and feel OP. That's the idea behind the logic They are casuals. They do not care about winning or losing they just want to summon cool shit

[@Styxius]

list was relatively solid tbh better than recent TCG/OCG lists

[@07Tussin]

All of those ocg philosophy arguments always fall flat when you look that they have to end up banning cards anyways at some point. Where’s the casual Exchange of the spirit players without agido and kelbek? Why can’t DM players have Dragoon?

[@e-tan3911]

To be fair Dragoon could probably come back, and I don't think I've ever actually seen someone try using Exchange of the Spirit as it's own deck.

[@jofx4051]

There isn't such player as you said and the cards would be abused outside "supposed deck"

[@sammydray5919]

I personally want Dragoon to stay banned forever. Only because I despise Dark Magician and don't want it to get any support whatsoever because I am just petty like that lol.

[@dudeman209]

They don't ban the same cards tho. The OCG banlist is also smaller. In the most recent OCG meta report, the best deck was Yubel not Snake Eye. This Tier 0 format is not an OCG issue. It's primarily a TCG issue. Snake Eye is not a deck that plays well into Maxx C resolving and hitting things like Baronne or Savage did nothing to Snake Eye. Hitting Snake Eye Ash and Wanted actually did something. Idk where TCG players get these takes from, but Tenpai and Yubel are keeping up with Snake Eye in Asia. And in MD, Tenpai probably takes over due to the best of 1 format when it comes out. It's the TCG philosophy that's way more busted and showing many more flaws in this current format.

[@elainasjournal5734]

@@dudeman209 the TCG players are too accustomed to the way the TCG do their banlist: “we’ll hit the best deck to the ground, it’s gonna be unplayable, and you’ll have to deal with it” and then think that it’s the only correct way to do the banlist. MD, and to an extent the OCG, has been successful with how they handle their banlist as well. MD is currently the only format with the broken trio Elf, Kitkalos and Ariseheart all legal, but they are still fine. That’s gotta be something.

[@joshdavis6830]

Snake-eyes consistency hits again haha. I think with this list I'll be on Kashtira Snake-Eye with a second OSS, nothing else changes

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

Also the Bonfire hit could matter for Worlds if one person on a team wants to play Snake-Eye and the other Rescue-Ace, You have enough Poplars and OSS to share between the two with it at 3, but either one player wants to hoard the Bonfires(probably the Snake-Eye player) or they have to 1 and 1 between each other and risk not seeing it as often.

[@DamnZodiak]

What's the point of having regular banlist updates if the hits don't do anything? The format will stay the exact same as it was before.

[@mangohub3252]

Can’t wait to build Majespecter

[@EigerBlades]

I respect Josh' opinion but TCG players really love talking shit about OCG even to the point of spreading misinformation, while OCG rarely even bothers comparing between formats. Konami can make bad decisions for both formats (look at how SE does in TCG with "ceiling hits" and 3 Ash), and its fair to criticize Konami for it, but for some reason people prefer to parrot shit like "OCG players are dumb/gaslighted/casuals at best" and its just pathetic.

[@elainasjournal5734]

They got abused by the TCG way of “we’ll hit the best deck into oblivion so you MUST buy new cards to be able to play the game” so much they can’t realize decks can just be weakened to the point it’s no longer meta-relevant but still able to do what it does

[@Alex-Omega]

Today I learnd about Runick Paleo

[@alfiexnakama4678]

Things about unlimit Fenrir and Unicorn while Arise banned is actually not gonna happen tbh . They purposely made Fenrir 1 and Unicorn 2 alongside 1 planet so Arise could stay

[@dreadgear9683]

On the statement that joshua was saying about the mentality of eastern OCG i honestly get it, there are a lot of people who like tearlaments or Kashtira, are they obnoxious? Yes does but a lot of people still like playing those decks and they like having big cool monsters, So i guess in master duel they see the results of both OCG and TCG banlists and try to make those decks somewhat inconsistent but playable so that the people who like their decks can still bring forth Ariseheart Or kitkalos and such.

[@elainasjournal5734]

It’s really wild how MD still have Kitkalos, Elf and Ariseheart legal, and IT’S PERFECTLY FINE! But somehow TCG players can’t see those things, and can only think as far as “if it’s broken then it has to be banned”.

[@GiafyViews]

I've had 2 zeus since the beginning of the game, one glossy one normal, and i never dismantled either. Now my stubbornness comes in handy

[@TheBluntsmith69]

Kaiser colosseum banned let’s go

[@Thatonegoose]

Now imagine, zeus + zeus make udf

[@gahbunga]

Ah, just what I needed as a Volcanic player, a consistency hit.

[@CelloEra]

Zeus on top of Zeus is gonna be crazy

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

I never take a 1 person from the OCG perspective that seriously tbh. they can spin it to align what they believe and not what is the actual reason and we just nod and say "oh that makes sense" even when it doesn't. they don't want to hurt the casual players pet decks? they almost never hit non meta decks, also the cards in the OCG are a lot more accessible due to different rarities for the same cards so even if they hit a card it doesn't matter since it was cheaper at lower rarity. How does keeping Maxx "C" off the OCG ban list help keep casual players in the game????? it should drive players away since non meta/pet decks that get maxx "c" basically auto lose.

[@fortidogi8620]

I really hope Snake Eye gets hit eventually. When Diabelle was released, I was really looking forward to how different decks would use her, but they all mostly use the same routes...

[@Lich_V.]

Not great. But not terrible.

[@mariomarkosimeunovic1501]

Every banlist i hate ocg and master duel more and more

[@zeroforcequna9486]

pure Zoodiac can use extra Zeus in there extra deck

[@flackenstien]

Why are they hitting Kash, RACE, and Purrely NOW of all things? Was this list from 6 months ago and they forgot to publish it?

[@CrisRullz]

zeus's problem isn't himself but the stupid mechanic of XYZ's making XYZs with just themselves and adding the materials on top... so in the end it's zeus that pays the price as the generic XYZ boss that you can casually make with 4-5-6 materials with no reason just by overlaying XYZs on top of each other..

[@KurayamiGGEZ]

It's a going second card. Zeus is fair.

[@telepathicdragon]

@@KurayamiGGEZ you're missing the point. zeus itself is a fine card, the problem is everything else around it.

[@diamonddudeygo]

@@telepathicdragon There is no problem with anything around it.

[@OsirusHandle]

thats the whole point of zeus tho

[@telepathicdragon]

@@diamonddudeygo being blind to xyz stacking on top of itself doesnt' make it not an inherent design issue. If not for xyz self stacking, zeus would never have been seen as an issue ever and would be at 3. It would just be xyz blackrose but better cause it doesn't send itself

[@niclasnielsen9794]

Oh no Purrelyly to 2, anyway we got a second Zeus!

[@alexemp6201]

That's exactly what I thought lmao, zeus at 2 is so massive for paleo

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

Bad banlist fossil dyna vanity fiend achlord krystya all the barriers statue's summon limits and flamberge should have been banned

[@xhito123x]

I hate TCG card pricing

[@IzzyJ777]

crying at the thumbnail lol

[@xenonim]

In Asia particular in Japan, yugioh trading card, have a lot rival trading card especially Pokemon TCG, which biggest competitor in Japan. Not to mention their also trading card that current rising like Digimon, One Piece, Vanguard and etc which target casual player. Even MD, i can guarantee 90% player is casual player which most don go higher Diamond rank on purpose, fight casual in the middle of the rank. I usually de-rank on purpose once hit platinum 1. Don go Diamond and master rank to fight quite competitive and dedicated yugioh player. Unfortunately, i still cannot avoid compete with conpetitive player especial duelist cups and WCQ since i need to farm gems, which i need to change playstyle from casual to serious until reach Dlvl19 and end there.

[@erichalbert415]

3 zeus is in ba and zoodiak Broken but this Deck is Not more Broken .

[@lmr4403]

Kirin back is not a good change in an environment with electrumite and supreme king starving venom. Not that it will be strong, but electrumite looping turns are not healthy. (ofcourse Kirin is not the issue in that)

[@zerochill4096]

It's the very definition of a mid banlist. It moves a lot of cards around but doesn't do much, but kills Stun and FTK

[@MeazurAli]

While in TCG they make the cards super expensive and the prize pool is meh

[@DarkCT]

free dust because of summon limit. never even used that one yet anyway. I do find the catapult turtle FTK getting hit to be seriously funny though. I will take my Kirins and smile, thank you.

[@drewsky1121]

Josh, tell Konami to unban Toadally so Paleozoic’s can have fun 😭

[@stretchxg]

Wait I thought majespector came out in phni? How’s the link card not in the tcg yet?

[@dotreant5264]

if they add the tachion cards u can search warrior fire monsters, so these consistency hits are not so great (i believe the tachion card lock u into Xyz)

[@defegatu]

The purrly hit was surely dzeef after gage using it on Master saga

[@arrownoir]

Is this the first time that all the formats are in the same meta? That’s so irresponsible of Konami.

[@infamouscheesecake2232]

I've learned playing MD that theres no point in kash hits if they open it every time

[@mahmoudabdelsattar8860]

what i like the Pokémon music at the end of this cool vid ty josh

[@rocapbg9518]

This is gotta be like, the longest a tier 0 format has ever lasted.

[@maingames860]

Yea but little by little every month some hits it becomes matter

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

Kirin is back pend best deck lets go 😜

[@Goonjie]

The person saying Purrely was hit but almost nothing was done to Fire Decks is being obtuse. The fact that they're saying that means they think a 3rd copy of Purelyly is more important then a 3rd copy of Bonfire and Impulse. Obviously you want more hits to Fire, but implying Purrely was hit harder then Fire is crazy.

[@Bakatora04]

We already knew at least for Snake eyes they weren't going to be hit hard thanks to the cards being reprinted in the selection pack. There were literally only 3 possible hits, Bonfire, Wanted or if they wanted to be unhinged one for one.

[@randompasserby8312]

pls unlimited collossus too

[@KingoftheAbyss]

My cats getting hit again 😢

[@mrharvy100]

Damn so much for Maxx C being banned to make room for Chummy….lol

[@dewanegara8333]

Nah, this first chimmy is trash. Most deck doesn't special summon from hand that much since it is a net 0 card advantage. After all chimmy released, especially the one that hit extra deck, deck and Graveyard summon is out, we will start talking

[@philwendisch4894]

Thumbnail 👍

[@happycamperds9917]

I'm glad they're hitting floodgates but I also wish that I didn't need to play floodgates to make my rouge decks viable.

[@peepeevs]

I really don't think they need to very often. People just kinda default to it as a tech option to make their deck "viable" because it's easy. Just win cointoss, flip floodgate, pass (because going second, those floodgates do very little mind you). I get really frustrated by this argument, because I am one of these rouge players, and I dont feel a need to play these floodgates. But I certainly get hurt a lot more by these floodgates than the meta strategies. If your deck really needs floodgates to even stand a chance of winning, you're not playing a rouge deck, you're just playing trash.

[@DeityofDestiny]

ocg players sound like masochists in a hostage situation, ngl

[@Ragnarok540]

Casuals ruining my hardcore card game 😤

[@Helem5XG]

We can say that same about both formats. Just one it's painful and the other is pay a ton for a deck so you can be masochist.

[@LynnLyns]

Low mid at best

[@ScootaGray]

And you're still propositioning for Arise heart to be banned?? Snakes eyes has been terrorizing three different formats TCG,OCG and master duel for MONTHS and you want the ONE card that actually counters snakes eyes to STILL be banned? You'd rather deal with an entire toxic ass deck(snakes eyes) than deal with 1 Arise heart?? Stop. 🛑 Maybe if Arise heart wasn't banned in TCG and OCG they wouldn't have held to deal with this toxic ass snakes eyes format for MONTHS because arise heart would have checked them.

[@ThiloNorris]

and another banlist without the by far most broken, played and abused card on it. therefore not worthy of discussion or perception, thanks for nothing konami 💩

[@cedricamonn8335]

This list is so good at doing exactly nothing

[@robertbauerle5592]

Ocg philosphy: “Let’s make our game worse in order to keep players in the game” What a terrible design philosophy. In no world should you be deciding to keep a deck strong in the worst dynamic possible just to try and fool dumb players into thinking that their deck is still good. If players switch card games it’s because they’re not having fun playing the game, trying to fool them into thinking that having “combo” 3 out of 5 games instead of 5 out of 5 games just shows an utter lack of confidence in the intelligence of your player base. Balance the game correctly, don’t be a coward. Ffs.

[@ScallopGaming]

only 3 views in one minute? extra content really fell off

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

First comment loser felt off 🤡🤡🤡🤡