Non-Calvinist Interpretation of Romans 9

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Mike Winger

Mike Winger

6 жыл бұрын

A careful verse by verse treatment of the passage that stands at the center of much of the debate on Calvinism. This is meant to be a loving and thoughtful handling of the difficult passage Romans 9. I appreciate gracious responses from those who disagree.
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@tofryx
@tofryx 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike!
@warrenrobert5009
@warrenrobert5009 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a Calvinist but I appreciate how you try to accurately represent both sides. You’re the only person on KZbin who will do that. Everyone else just creates a total straw man. But I’m encouraged by watching any of your videos. Keep it up Mike!
@JesussavesJLL
@JesussavesJLL 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike for the sharing. I almost became a Calvinist. I was a Buddhist for 32 years. I was saved when after one of my Buddhist prayer sessions I recited the sinners prayer showing on the KZbin channel on my iPad. I thought what harm can it do to me. I just read and see what happens. I could not be reading it with much faith because I don’t believe that Jesus could be my saviour then. But I read it with focus. Seconds later I felt like a different person with tremendous love for Jesus. That was last December. Because I studied Reformation history in my college days so I thought Calvinism now really makes sense to me! Then my pastor told me that we shouldn’t boxed God into different theologies. So now I think God is love. I made a free choice to say the prayer. By that window, He saved me. Praise Jesus!
@jesseharper7172
@jesseharper7172 4 жыл бұрын
"what do you do with Romans 9?" It's easy! I read the rest of the Bible too!
@crazycatman5928
@crazycatman5928
I find it astonishing that people follow John Calvin’s teaching…when we should follow Christs teachings.
@nathan010810
@nathan010810 2 жыл бұрын
What I can’t understand is that even if Winger is wrong and the Calvinists are right, can’t they just leave those who aren’t Calvinist alone? The horror of Calvinism for the non-elect if Calvinism is true pushes so many away from the faith and makes them freaking miserable, often living in fear of God. It’s a horrible systematic and I do t understand how James White makes so much of it.
@boaz63
@boaz63 3 жыл бұрын
“Read Romans as if you’re Jewish...” 🤔 A letter written by the Apostle to the Gentiles to Romans needs to be read as if you’re Jewish? I wonder if the original Gentile Romans in Rome knew this when they first got the letter? 🙏
@superhoga
@superhoga 5 жыл бұрын
"Trying to study these topics that should not divide us" Thank you brother.
@valerierueckert7859
@valerierueckert7859 5 жыл бұрын
I love that you compare Scripture to Scripture! You don't quote other Bible commentators!!!
@jimwheeler7277
@jimwheeler7277 2 жыл бұрын
While you didn't convince me to abandon my calvinist interpretation of this text, I do appreciate your humble, non-confrontational approach and your embracing calvinists as your brothers and sisters in Christ.
@dougmcminn3933
@dougmcminn3933 Жыл бұрын
The problem people who aren’t calvinists have about all biblical doctrine is that they don’t understand the perversity and depth of corruption that original sin created. Hence their disdain for what is called Calvinistic doctrine. As Spurgeon said (paraphasing him) read the bible and become a Calvinist- to do otherwise takes scriptural gymnastics to a new level
@theresonly1kidd29
@theresonly1kidd29 5 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful example of a godly man demonstrating for us how to lovingly approach scriptural disagreements. As a Calvinist who disagrees with his interpretation, this was both convicting and encouraging. I have discussed these differences before, but with not even half the love and respect that this man demonstrates here for his brothers and sisters in Christ. Thank you for this, and God bless you and your family.
@jader838
@jader838 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving a clear explanation of a non-Calvinist understanding of Rom. 9! I personally am a Calvinist and of course disagree with some of your early fundamental assertions, but I really did enjoy listening to you. I’ve talked to many Free Will people but none have explained their position as clearly as you have, so thank you!
@samanthiafarthing8591
@samanthiafarthing8591 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so, so much for this video. I was really struggling with this chapter. I had been listening to some Reformed baptist preachers that I really liked and started looking into their doctrine more and came across unconditional election. I knew that I didn’t believe what they were saying, but I heard several of them speak on this chapter, and I couldn’t find anyone who was refuting their interpretation of this chapter specifically rather than the concept of unconditional election. It got to the point where I was on my knees crying and praying to God to show me the truth of who He was because unconditional election did not seem like the God who loved me while I was still a sinner and sent His son to die for the whole world, and yet, I could not see how else to read this chapter other than how the Calvinists were reading it. Right after praying that prayer, God led me to your video. Your analysis completely reaffirmed my trust in who God is. You are an answer to a very desperate prayer! May God bless you and your ministry.
@Emper0rH0rde
@Emper0rH0rde 4 жыл бұрын
In order to understand Romans chapter 9, you have to read the whole epistle, as well has have at least a basic understanding of the historical context, what Paul is really talking about, and to
@KathyBGood
@KathyBGood 6 жыл бұрын
I have to listen to these more than once, and I'm amazed at how each video is helping me understand Romans. I am so so grateful to God for using your videos to help me.
@mipock1950
@mipock1950 5 жыл бұрын
Galatians
@lewisdoyle
@lewisdoyle 4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was really helpful, thanks. I’m not a Calvinist, but I have to say that I find their teaching compelling, though not entirely convincing. This sort of material is great. My understanding of this is that the major flaw with the Calvinist view of this passage, is that they believe the passage is about salvation, when its actually about the lineage of the promise. It’s a good starting point fo rme, so thanks and God bless.
@ClarkRiggins
@ClarkRiggins 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, I have been a pastor for over twenty years and haven’t heard Romans 9 explained so eloquently. Well done brother. Thanks
@patticarey9016
@patticarey9016 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Mike, for this teaching on Romans 9. I've wrestled with those verses for a long time, but after listening to you while taking notes and looking up each verse, I have a better understanding. Thank you, again!
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