He lost his daughter to the Mother God Cult. Don't let it happen to you.

[@MikeWinger]

To protect himself from possible retribution by the World Mission Society Church of God, “David Erdman” is using a fake name and his face is blurred out. This is because the WMSCOG is alleged to use law suits and family separation as ways of silencing those who openly come against them. Here is my whole playlist of videos going into DETAIL about the true history and false teachings of the World Mission Society Church of God. kzbin.info/aero/PLZ3iRMLYFlHvwOzziMOk9ZIHKphdag47d

[@ginamartinez1654]

Wow! Though i wasnt in mother God cult this is exactly my basic story but from the other side. My husband was the one trying to get me out and i put him through so much that i feel terrible for today. Finally we left state and ive been slowly deprogramming. I am so very sorry for what you went through Dave

[@moosechuckle]

I’ve never heard about this cult, but it’s seriously terrifying. As a parent, you hope and pray this type of thing doesn’t happen. This poor father.

[@tourmedia6188]

This is happening in Spain a lot, they worship so much idols they call mother like Fatima, virgins and so forth...

[@kevinsBiblicaldiscussions]

Thank you for all that you do brother. God bless you pastor mike

[@MomandSophie123]

The WMSCOG cult has been active on my campus in the past. I've been approached 2-3 times. The first time I'd never heard of it but definitely had creepy vibes, and learning about it more I quickly found out why. Thanks for shedding light on it through this video!

[@sketchbook1]

My Nanna used to say "An open mind is good. So's an open window. But we put screens on them to keep the bugs out!"

[@sharoncrawford3042]

I love that. Very smart. Our screen is Gods Word.

[@fnjesusfreak]

One phrase I've learned was "Keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out"

[@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943]

An open mind is one who are filled with wisdom.

[@sofiabravo1994]

@@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943 wisdom? Or more confusion?

[@melissabrown8878]

Your Nanna was a wise woman.

[@charlieboi6370]

The Bible doesnt ask you to be open minded it actually teaches to be protective of your mind. Please pray for this family.

[@dahelmang]

Wisdom required humility, but that doesn't mean you listen to everyone.

[@Kendojin]

Acts 17:11 says that the Bereans were fair, because they received the apostles' word with readiness of mind, but then they searched the scriptures to prove them to be true. It definitely sounds like they were healthy skeptics! I always try to hit that balance. Listening to people openly, and listening, but like you said.... Being really protective of my mind and guarding my heart, through God's word, not just my opinion

[@BrotherAaronSpeaks]

I agree brother!

[@MrCrazychristian86]

Amen!

[@orthodoxinquirer5693]

amen

[@marieannedwards2431]

Please keep my daughter in your prayers. She has been snatched by them...and we are just having a difficult time right now.

[@33ketamine33]

Sure Maam. Pls pray some deliverance prayers . Erica Shepherd on shiela zelinski show. Powerful prayers. Break the satanic power over your daughter in the mighty name of our Lord Jesus. Pray it over and over till she is delivered. God bless . Stay strong

[@foxecarpentress4964]

I pray Jesus, turns on the Light Bulb in her brain, to the Real Truth! Amen

[@exquisitecaribbeanqueen7198]

Let us do a prayer for your daughter. That is wicked. This needs prayer and fasting ......consistently until your daughter is returned. Thats such a shame

[@beverlybalfe115]

Oh mercy. Will be praying. I'm so sorry

[@izthebiz539]

Yes, I pray God would deliver her from their web of deceit

[@kaussiesvt7302]

Hi guys just warning everyone, they're going online now, doing bible studies on zoom. I was caught in it but fortunately the Holy Spirit led me out, helping me notice so many red flags.

[@laraolimpia7438]

Yea true! They did it to me! Omg ! I studied with them for like once a week for 3 weeks, they told me that they would tell me the name of Christ because he has already come, but at this point I started filing that something wasn’t right, so I found this videos and I felt so sad, scared, I immediately left the study bible, the girl started saying that’s my last chance to salvation, I literally blocked her. If you find this people on the street run fast!!!!!

[@gracemaryajit5056]

Amen. Praise God that He saved ya'll

[@aviwengcwangu6129]

@@laraolimpia7438 I'm in the mess too!! I just ignored their call because I gave them my number. I started sensing Red flags when they mentioned ansahong

[@chaboi7]

Where are they? I would love to debate these ppl

[@kaussiesvt7302]

@@chaboi7 they're everywhere but they like to mainly aim for uni students and more vulnerable ppl

[@orvalstuckemeyer127]

Imagine getting together a Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, and someone from the Mother God cult in a room and watching them try to convert each other.

[@coko3124]

I was Mormon for 37 years and they teach that there is a Heavenly mother. Disturbing.

[@orvalstuckemeyer127]

@@coko3124 Exactly. There are many similarities between them, chiefly their cultist environment. It would be an interesting exercise watching them try to debunk each other, when none of them are filled with the truth.

[@davidlegkodukh6969]

"You put liars in one room and eventually they will all agree with each other because they all worship the same God = Antichrist"

[@ΦΡΑΝΣΟΥΑΖΠΑΝΑΓΙΩΤΙΔΟΥ]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@davidlegkodukh6969 No doubt they will all find common ground, maybe even about surprising points.

[@mattyyoungcloudsart3008]

Let's all agree in prayer for this man's daughter, for her mind to be restored and her eyes opened.

[@kathyd456]

Amen and amen. Deliverance, and strength to stand tall in the battle. ⚓

[@laurat406]

Amen 🙏

[@wasabe591]

Amen!

[@aribamanjudevi3368]

...Her mind be restored n led a better life!! Including her family 👪 ..

[@jmj1852]

Amen in Jesus name and through his precious blood may she be restored ✝️

[@snowwhiterosered8571]

My husband left me alone for 30 seconds in the female hygiene section of a Walmart a couple years ago and I got approached by these people. They really seem to target young women

[@jessitabonita]

Studying the “Big 5,” especially in Jordan Peterson’s KZbin lectures/clips helped me understand the psychology around all this when I was pursuing a career in marketing. Notice how *on average* women are easier to market to because we’re higher in “agreeableness” than most men. (I myself am low in agreeableness, but high in openness, which has me fascinated with this stuff, as it causes me to feel less feminine than I want to be...) Anyway! To “Christianize” that term: more women are easier to be nurturing and submissive than men are, and thus shy away from a debate. Narcissists and manipulators use this to gain leverage on easy prey, like young impressionable women who most likely don’t know themselves yet and just want to fit in with a group.

[@TheRealUnkn0wn_289]

Yep or children

[@fairtalk5674]

@@jessitabonita Women too often shy from admitting this weakness, in the context. Females are inclined to messaging, fear, control, easier than males are.

[@donwaters2022]

You don't have to be world traveled to know to avoid any freaks that hang out in the feminine hygiene section of any store. Ditto for the diaper section.

[@arielcheyenne1853]

It warns specifically about this in the book of Timothy!

[@n.a.lancaster5729]

I truly empathize with this man. I was born into a destructive cult. Eight months ago, after being inside for 26 years, my girlfriend and I escaped with new phone numbers, emails, bank accounts, etc. My mother, brother, and dearest friends are still on the inside. Since we escaped, I've spent all of my free time researching cults, emotional and spiritual abuse, personality disorders, and thought reform. This stuff is more dangerous than anyone could possibly imagine. I've watched it destroy life after life after life. Life is so good now. I've tasted freedom for the first time ever and will never let it go. Even more, it's been a joy discovering what Christianity truly is and cutting through the misinterpretation and manipulation. I'll be graduating from law school in a month and plan to spend the rest of my life fighting for adults in children in cults, domestic violence situations, and abusive relationships.

[@Jesuslover2000]

I pray that your calling is successful. I pray that, if this truly be your calling from God (of which I'm 100% certain) that it is fruitful, and powerful. Praise be to our God.

[@preuermensch3692]

God bless you man!

[@zanvanrensburg3831]

So so proud of you. Be abundantly blessed in truth and power.

[@anon7222]

I will pray for you brother. So excited for the work God will do through you!

[@bellkatz9068]

I will be praying for David and his family. We nearly lost our son to Buddhism. We did not know where he was for two years. But before he cut off communication with us, we discovered he had divested himself of most of his worldly goods, was living at a monastery and was in training to become a Buddhist monk! If not for God's prayer warriors and daily dives into His Word, we would not have survived. Like David, I immersed myself in reading about Buddhism and even visited a Buddhist abbey to speak with "nuns" there. I was hoping that when my son contacted us, I would be more prepared to connect with him. Then, one day, out of the blue, we received a call from our son asking if he could come home. We don't know why he left the monastery and rejected Buddhism - we are just SO thankful to have him home! He has not fully embraced Christianity again, but God must have a plan in all this that will bring glory and honor to His name!

[@miacrowe7133]

In Lord Jesus Christ's name (Colossians 3:17), So glad he's out of that false faith but praying he gets to a relationship with Christ so he doesn't get caught up in another false faith. ❣️🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋

[@dorcasandthesibs]

So releive to hear at the end, we need to keep praying for our kids

[@valentincavazzos4420]

@@miacrowe7133 it's not a false faith they let him go if it were they would of force him to stay or made him believe his religion is bad

[@valentincavazzos4420]

Bell he wasn't in a false faith he was let go also he wasn't maltreated nor forced to join or try to convince him to stay cause his original religion is supposedly bad

[@melissaconner9538]

Prayers for your son and you as well! Thank God he brought your son home!

[@bevp7838]

Wasn’t Jesus’ FIRST warning this: “many will come in My name”? I had not heard of this manifestation, but it is beyond horrible. Thank you Mike and Mr X. May God return your daughter, and may you both find Him.

[@JewessChrstnMystic]

He meant people who are literally IN his name. Do you even know what it means to be IN the name of jesus christ. That doesnt mean coming on his behalf, it doesnt mean praying and saying "in jesus name", being IN his name literally means you are IN the word, IN the over soul that IS Christ Jesus. To be IN the name of jesus means you are In him, not just him in you, theres a difference between the two.. christ is in all, but not all are in christ. Just like you should do a jewish study on what son of man means, and what man means. You folks don't even know what it means to be in his name.. to know what that means takes an extensive study on jewish culture and language, and what exactly they believed during the time of christ.

[@jeffreyfeinstein5525]

@@JewessChrstnMystic '... it's often been so confusing. Righteous in His name pastors have been the bomb! (( why more don't know that santa claus is the derivative from the Dutch accent of St Nicholas (( I just popped in here, don't bug me.... haven't felt too good

[@JewessChrstnMystic]

@@jeffreyfeinstein5525 your comment makes no sense to me. And I'm not the one that bothered you, YOU replied to comment I made that had nothing to do with you. Do not reply to a comment of mine and then tell me not to bug you.. that's not how social interaction works man. If you dont want a reply then dont reply to my comments. Santa has nothing to do with being in the name of jesus. Nice try though, you completely veered away from the subject at hand.

[@Anne-po99]

This is how many many people who don't read the Bible for themselves, get trapped by deceivers.

[@jeffreyfeinstein5525]

@@JewessChrstnMystic 'Yes Ma'm. I found your initial comment to be an insightful teaching. The topic of santa Claus comes up here and there lately, on true Ministry and secular topics. I get that santa is not the topic. Just was sayin the original pronunciation of St Nicholas was 'straightened out' by american and european literates. And was just hoping to not receive, for whatever reason, a non- damaging response. But no, seems I got a surprise. There have been like an endless abyss of manipulations in the name of the Lord Jesus. Wouldn't pretend to 'write' back with scriptural verses. Often, believing is even heavier than learning. ...and if I'd have found the young lady, I'd have certainly let her parents or an official authority seek her and a prayer for her and her family. Ya know, I came across this short self narrative vid recently. If I can try to recall. "The Atlantic" channel. "A 97 year-old man faces his own death" ' What is the meaning of life's (something like that). Though not a intrusively long, it was intense. Read through the comments for my own reasons. Barely seemed a believer there. Again, the old man was a 'heavy cat'. I have faith that the young lady in this misguidance has a strong support group here and a good chance to find her way back to our Father'. And, I'll keep myself shut

[@dareemmanuel6079]

This is so heart-wrenching. Dear God, please bring her back in Jesus name.

[@animationfan957]

Amen

[@R01202]

I'm not a believer, but I also hope these zealots be disbanded and their organization's assets liquidated.

[@thegodkind2392]

Amen 🙏

[@paachris1201]

Amen and Amen

[@_keke_justbuilt_diff]

Amen

[@stylisticallyme2802]

So my ex and I visited one of these churches. They kept us in a room and went over the Bible. I asked to use the restroom, the woman came with me. When I came out she was standing dead in front of me. I had texted my ex and told him we need to leave. So he was already in the hall waiting for me.... I told him we are leaving now, they followed us out to the front door and as soon as we got in the car I told him none of what they are saying is full truth. I told him it is a cult!!! Gut feeling then I started googling. Saved by discernment and by God that lives in me!!! Praying for this man and his family!!!

[@lionoffireministries]

*The problem with deception is that people don’t know that they are deceived* 🤔😢

[@ronnychristenjoyer6778]

‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled’. Unless of course, they are willing to admit to themselves that they have been fooled, in which case, they learn and stand prepared for whoever else might try to fool them in the future. Life is hard. We need to be innocent as doves, and not forget to also be wise as snakes. So that the snake doesn't bite us and poison us.

[@lionoffireministries]

@A Lucky Man! I agree. A person chooses to go down the wrong path and I think as I continue the heart becomes harder and harder to the point that it makes it more more difficult to realise the delusion that they are living.

[@TakeMeToEternity]

I think sometimes they do they just think there is something good that can come out of it

[@Window4503]

@@georgelegault3985 Sometimes not even critical thinking helps. These cults play on emotional and psychological wounds and past traumas; things most people aren’t fully aware that they have regardless of how educated they are. It’s possible to be smart and logical and still fall prey because the programming goes deeper than mere mind tricks. It reaches the heart.

[@lornaz1975]

That is a very profound statement! More so than most would think!

[@carolschafer4667]

I had someone approach me from this cult about a month ago. The same woman approached my daughter a week earlier. Praise God that my daughter did not get sucked in to this. I will pray for this man's family.

[@weir_family]

I was also approached locally here in Apple Valley, California, in a Dollar Tree of all places. The person invested over an hour trying to convince me to see “Mother God” in scriptures that she repeatedly cycled through.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

Your daughter sounds very wise. Thank God she did not join this cult.

[@user-lv4ov5rp6d]

I watched to 1:03 but a cult how? Did they kill someone? You can not call a religious group a cult just because you don't like how they interpret the Bible!

[@weir_family]

@@user-lv4ov5rp6d I believe they are referring to the BITE model. That is what is popularly believed to be consistent with a cult. People don’t have to kill someone to be a cult. B=Behavior control I =Information control T=Thought control E=Emotional control There are numerous KZbin videos regarding the bite model. They are very interesting, you should look into them.

[@user-lv4ov5rp6d]

@@weir_family But there is a difference between a sect and a cult. For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are not a cult only a sect. While Scientology Church is a cult, they even kill people who don't want to be a member anymore. I don't think you should use the word cult lightly.

[@coko3124]

I was Mormon for 37 years and this is what they do in a much more subtle way. Every cult is dangerous!

[@brettdavis5555]

Glad to have you back!

[@Rude_Boi]

God is good.

[@lizj3815]

Praise GOD you’re no longer Mormon. Are you now a born again Christian? I have many friends and family who are Mormon and JWs...

[@Apemarierum]

I would love to hear your conversion story of leaving the Mormon church. I have a neighbor who is Mormon and she talks as though we all believe the same thing.

[@coko3124]

@@lizj3815 I am a born again Christian! God has delivered me from so many false spirits and teachings. I used to hear voices in my head all the time then after being delivered I never hear anything I just feel God's peace and serenity and occasionally He brings scriptures to my mind when I am searching for an answer but he gave me a brain and heart to figure out the rest and the Body of Christ to support and strengthen and edify me. Praise God! Hallelujah!

[@tiaferguson8848]

I visited here and completed their Bible study with my sister and goodness! If I wasn't so well versed in the Bible and had a strong family, I could see myself falling for this place. They're very sneaky and super sweet. The members genuinely believe what they are doing. I saw through all of it still.

[@ChristianHada]

Wow thats amazing that you made it through a bible study. How were you able to deflect the false ideas they were trying to show you?

[@jesuslovesyou1]

God is So Great

[@LilVic_]

those who stay away from God are wicked …. you need to go back to that church, the church preaches Truth from the Bible

[@duckmeat4674]

@@LilVic_ yes, the triune God, who we dont have churches that claim to know the end times, that baptise under the name Father, son, and holy spirit, and dont use phrases like "you might be right but i dont care" when confronted on their theology

[@LilVic_]

@@duckmeat4674 the church doesn’t claim to know when the end times are ,, we just go with the prophecys in the Bible

[@Captain-Awesome]

Listen to what happened at my Son’s High School Classroom. Teacher told the class to all go the right side of the classroom. The teacher said: 1. Go to the left side if you think that we need more gun control. Some kids go to the left. 2. Go to the left side if you think that Abortion is okay. Several more kids go to the left. 3. Go to the left side of the class if you think that gay marriage is okay. All but two kids moved over to the left side. My son and one other boy. At this point listening to the story I am thinking great job for standing your ground but feeling a concern... Then the teacher asked him why did you stay on the right side of the classroom? My 18 years old son answered because the Bible says that Marriage is between a Man and a Woman. I am one Very Proud Father!!! More importantly God is proud of him!!! Ironically the teacher said that’s what I believe too.

[@valentincavazzos4420]

Danny I would choose neither way I would choose Jesus marriage is a promise you make to God in being an earthly parent for him where men and women are equal!

[@ferzinhaN]

Congratulations man. I hope he continues to stand for the Lord.

[@mindyharwood5992]

The teacher shouldn't be giving an opinion in this type exercise which is to promote discussion between classmates and talk about values. Their job isn't to influence values but to get the students to think critically.

[@rebeccasutton1596]

This is disturbing.

[@narnia1233]

I am glad to hear your son doesn’t give in to peer pressure and trusts God over human society. But, I am disappointed to hear that schools are devising such methods on students. I really dislike that the political left is categorizing people and teaching what is right or wrong based on the categorization. And I likewise really dislike someone on the political right doing the same. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong to say students shouldn’t be forced to say what their beliefs are in a classroom, but currently I feel very strongly that they should not. And in an activity like that they are forcing students to state their beliefs. Because I assume the teacher didn’t give the students the option to leave and sit down without casting a vote. Those scenarios I think are too close to peer pressuring students, and some students might not know yet what to believe because they’re still learning.

[@du6s]

I was approached by this cult! Talked to him for hours before he realized I was the one witnessing to him and he told me he didn’t appreciate that. And then left😂 looking forward to this episode!

[@bribri8232]

😂😂😂

[@marjoriebourgouin2782]

Same here, when they realised that i knew scripture and i laughed when they showed me the picture of an old korean woman that they worship as god than they stopped calling me.

[@Heaven1yChoos3n]

Same here!

[@azzy3618]

I think I was approached by them as well. I was mostly confused with what they said and what group they were. Was it Zion group?

[@lavenderflowers1075]

Lol! Praise God.

[@otakuelf9456]

I was in the university in 2018 when a young woman, about my age, approached me on my way to class. At that time I had a shoulder bag with lots of anime buttons. So, this young lady approached me saying “oh I love your buttons.” And I thanked her. She then began to keep the conversation and eventually it lead us to talk about religion. (I believe this was her intention) I was a new Christian who grew up as Catholic and was studying the Bible more seriously. She began talking about how she was also Christian and that, in a way, caused me to let my guard down. I was happy to find another Christian and we were talking about the Bible. But then she started to say “Do you know about the heavenly mother?” Confused, I said no. She said, “Yes we have a heavenly mother and many don’t know this.” Anyway, she continued to try to persuade me that the heavenly mother is true. At this point, I realized she wasn’t saying Christian beliefs. That’s how she got me to listen by getting me to believe she was Christian. But because I wanted to show her that the Bible doesn’t advocate for the heavenly mother, I agreed to do “bible studies” with her. And she showed me only two verses in the entire Bible and ignored the rest of the it. But, she completely took those two “evidential verses” of the heavenly mother out of context. I believe the first one was from Genesis where it says God created man and women in His image. (Genesis 1:27) Saying because there are women in the world, there must be a divine woman as well and she is the heavenly mother. The second is when the Bible talks about Christ coming back for His bride (Revelation 19). But, she was saying Christ was coming for his romantic bride as in husband and wife. She believed Christ had an actual bride as in a woman and she was the heavenly mother. But, we know it is talking about the church. As I challenged her view, she was quite defensive. She was quite stubborn and even though I questioned her “theology” she would not see my points. Finally after the third and last meeting, she brought another woman with her. She had never mentioned anything about another friend and I believe she was there to be the mentor to both of us. The young woman who approached me was sort of new herself to this “church” so the more seasoned member was there to teach her and apparently me. Long story short, that last meeting really creeped me out because the older member and the younger lady talked exactly the same. They seemed off and I remember thinking to myself that they seemed like they had learned this sort of dialogue from a script or it was rehearsed. I had known that the third “bible study” was going to be my last with them. But, this new member was there to try and keep me from leaving. I praise God for not letting me be mislead and go too deep with them. They are all over campuses and places where there are lots of people. I have heard many stories from people in university campuses. Be careful brothers and sisters.

[@yahssheep8493]

That is the exact same thing they did with me as well, Glory to Jesus. First it was a guy who spoke to me about it, I was so confused. Then the second time the same guy and his girl were trying to do the same thing. The second time the girl was talking more, and I called her out by telling her did she receive any confirmation from Jesus that this was true, and she said yes from the Bible, and I said no in a dream or vision, she said those things were from the past and not now. Right there I knew to call her out, I was done, and I told her she’s in a cult lol

[@thechomas4825]

Same here, They once approached me, 3 students and they become so defensive when you disagree with them and quote scriptures

[@izthebiz539]

Such a shame they ensnare so many that are genuinely seeking truth

[@SaraiSohma]

Maybe God sent you there so you can give this testimony to others. I'm happy you had faith and was listening when he told you to run

[@KimmieKim456]

A very similar situation happened to me a few years ago. The used the same scriptures and arguments to try to convince me. I was a baby Christian but I'm grateful I had some knowledge of the Bible to know something was off about these people. I was lured to their church and was pretty much held hostage during a new visitor "bible study" which was pretty much like an initiation where they attempted to re-introduce basic concepts of the bible and give warped interpretations of history. The atmosphere in that place was just OFF! I left that place, blocked all their numbers and never looked back. They came by my house a few times afterwards but I didn't answer the door.

[@reniserodriguez4644]

My daughter attends this church.....and so is my niece. All I can do is pray for them. It was so so hard in the beginning when they first joined. Now all we do is pray for them, God is bigger than and non Christian organization. I just leave it in God's hands. Prayer moves the hand of God.☝🏼

[@rosasellers1813]

Just make sure they are happy. Ask them over and over again . If they are happy and that’s the place they want to be then so be it but I’m in trauma therapy because of this organization. I wish I had a more attentive family so that I would not have stayed as long as I did and experienced verbal abuse and loss of identity

[@harley6222]

@@rosasellers1813 My question is what made you leave the group? If you don’t mind. Thank you 😊

[@AR15andGOD]

Prayer doesn't move squat.... You have no will over God

[@christopherskiles3870]

So sorry this cult has invaded your family. Praying for your daughter.

[@duckmeat4674]

@@LilVic_ watch the video and say that again, if you are wanting to be an apologist for this group, first talk about this girls father in the video

[@FollowingJesus129]

As the church we need to be on our knees in prayer against this organization and the damage they are doing to families

[@VVeremoose]

We also need to charge the gates. We need local groups in every community, especially in places with universities, who have a heart for this and prepare especially to oppose it. Same with Islam and a few of the other particularly pernicious religions.

[@doomerquiet1909]

We could prevent all this with consistent theology too...

[@VVeremoose]

@@doomerquiet1909 depends on what you mean by consistent. If you mean the fundamentals like the divinity of Christ, the necessity of repentance, the perfect atonement, the existence of God, and the authority of His revelation in the Bible - then sure. If you mean eschatology, cosmogony, election, or any of the other very complicated points of theology then you're going to have to prove which interpretation is the right one for us to standardize behind.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

@@VVeremoose Calvinism is completely unnecessary for salvation. Therefore not needed to be added to church doctrine.

[@VVeremoose]

@@prayunceasingly2029 while I agree, that's an odd take away from my comment

[@jenifergucela2750]

Hi Mike, I'm from Philippines. I was invited by the WMSCOG. They came in our house and share about the bible. First, I was amazed how they shared the biblical word , cause I lose my tract in the presence in God by that time. They visit once or twice week. But the time they told me about the god the mother which is Jerusalem and I was so confused. And they told me to visit and attend there sabbath day, they welcomed me nicely, and when they said that Woman should wear a belo. Something in my heart and mind that it was not right. As I heard they worship Christ, but the Christ I knew in in the bible isn't the Christ they worship. They claim that there Christ is the korean man which I don't even know and that name wsnt in the bible. Night after I attend there sabbath I searched about there church and the founder is that korean man that they proclaimed there christ. Thank God as I was searching and read the bible and watch ur vids here in yt i knew that i was wrong about them, I felt that in my heart that it's not right. If I'm not going to read the bible I will be totally deceived by them.

[@jquin3]

Didnt know they are also here in the Philippines. Good thing you were able to discern their deception. Keep away from them.

[@MgaTalunanKayo]

They have inroads here in the Visayas too. Good thing it's a very very small congregation. We have to be vigilant and guard our hearts. There are already a lot of false christian groups we have to contend with.

[@hbsmule96]

Didnt know WMSCOG is already in the Philippines. They are similar to Shincheonji which is already there offering free bible study and hiding their church name.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

There are many cults and many false prophets. Please get you a KJV bible and read Gods word for yourself and you will never be deceived by cults. Invite your family and friends over to study. Salvation is simple: Salvation is by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, not by works lest any man shall boast. K j v. No church can save you. No man can save you. Only faith in Jesus Christ alone can save you.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

There are many dangerous cults in the Philippines. They got children living amongst the dead in graves which is a form of witchcraft.

[@angelicamoya220]

I was approached by these woman in college a couple years ago! I was a new Christian and didn’t know much, they pulled out their Bible and I pulled out mine lol they offered to baptize me right in the middle of the school day in the parking lot. I very nicely said no because “I have to pray and ask God. I’m not going to believe something just because you tell me to” They would invite me to their Bible studies for weeks, calling me, messaging me and even finding me in the halls! I had NO idea this is what that was 😭 praise God!!

[@intothekey]

Wow that's crazy, I'm glad you didn't get indoctrinated by them. Books like the Gospel primer and just simply reading the Bible daily can help protect against wolves and strange doctrines.

[@angelicamoya220]

@@intothekey oh yes! I’m so much further in my walk and I know so much more now, but back then, I had literally just got baptized like the before lol I knew something was off when they literally wanted to baptize me and I asked “by who” and they said “oh we have a guy” I asked someone else’s opinion and they said not to listen because I wasn’t strong enough in my own faith to fight back against them. I’m so grateful to God man

[@shobhanapeters5721]

I liked they pulled their bible and you pulled out your Bible😃😎

[@Superheroes_United]

Thank God the Holy Spirit led you away from those folks. Be really careful , no way nohow people would walk up to ya and baptize you

[@jessicalindsey7393]

You pulled out your bible, you put them cult members in their place hahaha.

[@kirppuntutti]

You can war for your daughter. They can’t stop your spiritual warfare for her. You can fast for her too. They can’t win when you war or fast.

[@arreola891]

Amen! This is a SPIRITUAL battle for his daughter. It's not a physical one anymore. 🙏😪

[@lovetruth5733]

No WAR friend! That doesn't sound right.

[@evangelisticlioness3944]

@@lovetruth5733 Spiritual Warfare is what is meant

[@anndsouza2006]

Yes...u can only pray to the mighty God who would help the weak to come out of d crutches of d evil one..this is pure deception...there is a verse in d bible 2 thessalonians 2:11..God will cause them to be greatly deceived and they will believe these lies. We should never be dependent on any human being to study d word of God..but take the help of the Holy Spirit to study scriptures

[@evangelisticlioness3944]

@@anndsouza2006 this couldn't be stressed enough, God bless you.

[@GmonkeyJ777]

A group of these woman approached me with this religion in Walmart, I'd never heard of it. They were so passive aggressive when I pointed at the flaws in their reasoning. They formed a semi circle around me, glaring at me, it was weirrrrrrd vibes. I was finally like "The Trinity is The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost! And Jesus is Lord currently at His father's right hand!" And dipped out 🏃🏾‍♀️

[@yijordan316]

Same here! Some guy walk up to me in Target, weirdly it was right after I purchased a Bible at another store. They are very subtle and then hit you with the mother god worship. I actually got upset and told him that Jesus in King of King, Lord of Lords and the guy walked away.

[@Revelation18-4]

The trinity is a pagan belief from Egypt and Catholicism carried on that pagan belief. The trinity is not biblical. The Godhead is biblical. Colossians 2:9

[@TH-tc3ib]

That would have been good to witness, I would have liked to see that in person. Bet thier face were like 😲

[@flowerchild777]

Lol, quick and to the point👍

[@Lunablueeyes]

@@Revelation18-4 the Godhead is the same as the trinity. Jesus is not God.

[@JD-kr4dq]

Any group that wants to isolate you from even listening to others and only slowly presents their own central doctrines loves darkness and hates that light can expose them for what they are. This is one of the hallmarks of every cult.

[@davegibbs6423]

Jesus was never "cultic."

[@JD-kr4dq]

@@davegibbs6423 Never said he was, and I don't think either of the things I said fit Him. Groups that suck you in by hiding their central and divisive doctrine as well as cutting you off from any outside voices would be the likes of Mormons, JW, and WMSCOG. They all pervert the truth and often try to conceal much of that until they have you only trusting them and not listening to anyone else, even the Bible itself.

[@davegibbs6423]

@@JD-kr4dq No you didn't. That was just rhetorical. I agree. Always beware people who try to cut you off from others.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

Isolation is a huge red flag of a cult, you're right.

[@riyasonio816]

True!!! wmscog makes sure you dont speak to your friends , family if they are not in the church. One of the pastor's wife directly said to me " one day you have to live alone sister , please dont be afraid to live in the dark " i was like what ???? 😂 She surely wanted me to leave my family and live alone.

[@cijmo]

They came to my door - I'm happy to discuss God with anyone. They gave me their game plan and I said it was very interesting. Not interested in hearing more but interesting. Next time they (not the same people) came back I said "oh yes, God told me you'd be coming by." Scared the hell out of them. One said "How do you know it was God and not Satan?" I said "Because He told me YOU are Satan."

[@butdoyouknowjesus4121]

lol I can imagine their surprised pikachu face :v

[@myklorenzo87]

You can't just end it there

[@cijmo]

@@myklorenzo87 Well, that was about 6 years ago and I've moved so I'd say "yes I can".

[@cortexkiller1122]

Oh, so you've spoken to God 1 on 1 before?

[@cijmo]

@@cortexkiller1122 Everyone has spoken to God and everyone has heard from God. I'm by no means exceptional. I mean, not to tell me that they were coming to the door, that was just to shoo them off my doorstep and give them something they couldn't argue.

[@heaven9378]

I am from Zimbabwe and i have an older brother who is in a cult for over 10years now,he denounced his parents and siblings and i havent seen him in over 10 years now,unfortunately there are no resources to help him in any way so its as if he is dead,he is just not present in our lives at all that i almost forget completely his presence,its sad because the cult got him in college and he almost didnt finish medical school...i am so sorry David i hope your daughter is delivered from the snare of the devil and please dont give up on her

[@pureone8350]

Hello my fellow Zimbabwean! Is your brother by chance in the "Mapostori" cult?

[@rebeccaz4364]

@@pureone8350 I see on youtube that you people there and South Africa you have a lot of false prophets. Some did resurrection and some walk in the air lol and made people eat grass and snakes .. Lord have mercy .

[@MM-np4md]

@@rebeccaz4364 pretty much all over sub saharan Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Malawi, Zambia, it's a big problem

[@rebeccaz4364]

@@MM-np4md Really ? Lord have mercy . How they deceive simple minded people with disgusting practices it's very sad.

[@annecanazon4017]

Precious one, don’t give up on your brother... I know it feels as if he is dead but please, remember the prodigal son... the father celebrates when he returns home saying “for this son of mine was dead and is alive again, he was lost and is found” .... sometimes those we love are so far away in mind and/or body ... they are lost and dead to who they once were... BUT GOD ... He can resurrect our loved ones... I know it’s hard... but keep holding onto God... never give up trusting Him... God loves them too and He desires that no one perishes... I know your heart breaks.. so does the Lords, He doesn’t want this for them... believe in Him, in His Mercy and Grace and pray❣️

[@alliswell-ei4fw]

I just attended a service and was not aware that this "church of God" was like this. A friend brought me, and she's genuine in her involvement. They were based in a house, since they're in the process of looking for a building. I was immediately approached by a "sister" (not a nun) who began to explain that the true Christians are supposed to honor the sabbath on Saturday and that only them and 1 other denomination follow this. I was then told that all other denominations are "of the enemy. Then we went downstairs to the basement for the services and I was given a head covering (a veil) and the service began. The men and women were separated. There was an Asian man on the screen preaching in Korean at the same time as the English service played, I assumed translating since the leaders were asian but spoke English perfectly. Then they started singing from a book called "new songs" (I think) and a few times I saw a name or a word I didn't recognize that started with an A that they were clearly worshiping by the surrounding text. (I learned through KZbin videos after that this is the name of mother God.) Then they all welcomed me as a new sister to the congregation and everyone turned around and started doing a welcoming "dance" with their hands while they repeated that they loved me. It was all kind of scary. The men were not friendly with me and rarely made eye contact while the women appeared to love bomb me. I mean no disrespect to my friend. I love her but I had to honestly admit that I would continue to look for a church that "felt right" before committing to anything. 😮

[@angeliaballard3066]

This is the same thing that I experienced. I didn't know they church was like this either... I did not like it, then put on the spot with the welcome..."We love you. We love you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻all eyes on me 👀

[@joymeyer4730]

I freed a thousand slaves, I'd have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves. - Harriet Tubman

[@lovelyday4237]

It's I freed a thousand slaves, I COULD HAVE freed a thousand more, if only they knew they were slaves!! God bless ❤️

[@Thundersnowy]

Leah Remini said a similar idea as she drove past Scientology in Clearwater Florida. She said, I was driving past these people, freely walking around outside, and I wanted to take them in my car and help them escape, but they had been trained to mentally keep themselves enslaved, so I couldn't even help them.

[@MrDrocballer]

The best slave is a slave that doesn’t know he’s a slave. True knowledge is what people are afraid of. It’s all there, just waiting for us to want to see it for what it really is. So many are deceived, even the very elect.

[@MrDrocballer]

@@Thundersnowy are you a Christian? Did you celebrate Easter? Eat ham? Go to sunrise service?

[@joymeyer4730]

@@MrDrocballer why the questions?

[@relentlessrhythm2774]

When I was 18, I almost joined a cult. I was in a relationship and the guy was a part of this strange church, but I gave it a chance. They scared me by saying they were the only ones who had a CHANCE to be saved and I believed it. Soon, we were engaged as college Freshman. My family soon warned me of dangers and I was utterly confused. I spent months struggling with my faith and the relationship became abusive. Soon, I left both him and the cult. I’m now almost 22 years old and will graduate college soon. I transferred universities to get far away from this cult. While I still struggle with fear, I know God is powerful and is working through me, I’m getting stronger by the day! To those of you who love someone in a cult, just know there is hope! Remind your loved one how you feel about them and make time for non judgement conversations. Take the time to listen and be gentle with your words. I received both loving advice and judgmental advice. The judgmental comments really slowed me down. Remember, it is more important to help someone than “be correct.”

[@ProphetGreg94]

Wow. That’s crazy. I’m sorry you had to go through that. Where are you at now? Are you doing better?

[@KevinWuOfficial]

They came up to me twice on the street here in Taiwan, 1 time with 2 person that were very unequipped, another time with 3 person that were more equipped, and "debating" with them on the street was very exhausted. And their "church" was less than 5min walk from my house, I guess I will bump up to them again soon.

[@bohemianvegan]

They are a cult. I am glad you know about them. I met those people when I lived in Seoul. They wanted me to join them. I am glad I did not join them.

[@vocalpelican]

Yes, you probably will bump up into them again, and again, and again, until they are offended by you and your firm stance in Jesus. Endure to the end -- having done all, stand!

[@KevinWuOfficial]

@@vocalpelican The first time I met that two people, they don't really know anything about theology, I think they just memorized some points that their "pastor" gave them, and just got send out as missionary. They came up and told me they are doing a survey about people believing in heaven and hell, ask me if I'm interested. Then they started to sell their idea that you need to keep the passover to go to heaven. And they literally show me a poster that they prepared that has Luke 22:19 in big bold red font, saying that is their biblical proof. And I literally just tell them can you read that verse again? Jesus said :「do this」for what? They BOTH replied at the same time : 「in remembrance of Me」LOL!! I said: 「Yeah~ in remembrance of Me! Not to get saved!」Then they said to me they are new believers so they are not so familiar with the Bible, then ask me if they could have my number because they have better "teachers" in their church that could answer my questions. I said to them if you want my number just so that you could have your people to educate me? Forget it, because my church is teaching biblical sound doctrines verse by verse, and you guys don't even know what you're preaching. Then they walked away. And the second time they were more "prepared", and also more "aggressive", they almost get angry by the questions that I asked them. 1 of the guy literally raise his voice saying: "You don't even want to believe!! It's meaningless for you to ask those questions!!" And I was like, what?! You guys came up to me, wasting my time with your bad theology, what is that attitude for? LOL!! I just asked them how the thief on the cross get saved? By faith? or by keeping the passover? They kinda got triggered by that.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@arrahslichenmyer4986]

Stay strong in your Christian faith. May envelope you with His protection and peace.

[@micpoll7]

Praying biblical wisdom and patience over you !

[@jmkbee5334]

I am going to inform my children about the existence of World Mission Society Church of God so that they.don’t fall victims. Praying for this father and his family.

[@fatrick9001]

Seems like a wise idea to provide forewarning, hope that goes well for you. I'm only today finding out about this group but I'm fairly certain it was them who knocked on my door once and invited me to something, because they mentioned some motherly version of God being central to their beliefs. Had no idea luckily I didn't take them up on the invitation.

[@AdrianMC692]

Amen! So will I. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!💯🙌🏼🙏🏼

[@thokozanimkhize7617]

I genuinely believe that the initial way people get drawn into these cults is due to a limited or lack of bible knowledge and a dependence on others to 'teach' it to them. It can never be stressed enough, how important it is to read the bible on your own. It is a spiritual book, it is the Holy Spirit that ministers to you when you read it. It is so important to cultivate this with yourself first before fellowshipping with people and relying on others to tell you what the bible says. How else are you going to be able to test the spirits?

[@carolina_grace5721]

Amen!

[@kellykade]

Absolutely

[@robinanderson724]

That’s exactly right! Know the real thing and it’s easier to spot the counterfeit!

[@dephneyseoke]

We need the word of God and to be baptized with the Holy Spirit to win the battle with the devil. Let us pray for our children because they are easy targets for the devil. God have mercy on all of us, may He protect our souls from being captured by the devil.

[@Mikha335]

This is precisely what happens. Growing up in Mormonism your never taught to study the Bible - just to locate your prooftexts. In 43 years as a Mormon I never heard a sermon preached where even an attempt was made at exegesis. I never even knew what it meant until 3 years after leaving. They just quote a passage, give their own interpretation as the obvious truth, and move on to the next proof text. I never so much as heard any acknowledgment of another possible interpretation. Nothing to think about - no alternative to consider. No need to read the previous verse, or the one after. Context doesn’t matter either. Just gobble up this false gospel, false scripture, don’t question, follow the “prophet”.... etc.... etc....

[@karlianys1]

I am puertorrican and this happened to me while living in Florida. I stumbled with a lady from mother god cult in 3 different occasions. The way she opperates is that she walks around certain aisles in a store. In my case it was one time at a Target and 2 times at a Walmart. She'll be walking around looking for someone to approach and the way she did it appeared like just a friendly coincidence at the beggining but the next times I notices she actually "goes fishing" after people that appear vulnerable and usually I would see her in the beauty aisles. She seemed nice but gave me a creepy vibe. And you are right, this people are prepared to shake your faith, confuse you and hooke you into their beliefes. They know their Bible well but take the verses so out of context. Well anyways, I moved back to Puerto Rico 3 yrs ago and I thought I left all that craziness there in US but to my surprise they are here too and growing fast. The only thing I can say to you is keep praying with bigger faith than ever. Keep declaring with faith over her life. Jesus is our deliverer. Fyi, there is also a lady in China who claims she is the mother of god; most recently a small group of Jews are claiming rav Shlomo Yejouda Beeri as their messias; there is a venezuelan lady few years ago claiming she is Jesus resurrected and here in Puerto Rico there is another strong cult growing called Mitas. Thank you for this very informative interview. I hope it helps and open the eyes of many. *Sorry for my broken English.

[@chaboi7]

Wepa! I was about to mention the mitas when I started reading your comment then I read the rest, those ppl are crazy 🤪

[@veronica-official]

¡Ay Karla! We have the Mitas pero this people are worse y tienen iglesias aquí. I don’t know what to do about my daughter. At least she has been kind of shunned by the cult but she still believes that stuff. 😭

[@parkerdemirjian3685]

Thank you for sharing!

[@dianahernandez3200]

I think I might have just been approached by her at a Marshall’s. She came up to me and asked me how old I was. When I told her my age, she said oh wow you look so young I thought you were 17. That interaction felt creepy and like she had targeted me specifically from everyone there because I looked young and maybe vulnerable. Immediately smelled the cult vibes and came to the internet for more information. This content is incredible and I think I’ll be studying the word more deeply. May the Word of God be a lamp to our feet to guide us always.

[@Kris77777]

Through baptism, this guy's daughter made a covenant or spiritual pact with this cult and the spirit of deception behind it. But if he and his wife are all in with Jesus, they can intercede on her behalf so she can be free. As her parents, their prayers definitely carry more weight than they realize. On the brightside, if she can be so committed to the counterfeit, image what she'll do when she's born again. Don't give up sir!

[@cconroy1677]

Do you have to be "in with Jesus" first? I feel like intercession still only works as far as the individual will let it, hardened heart and whatnot, but of course prayers will strengthen her parents for whatever may come, and God does listen to prayer obviously, and is the only one who can cause her to choose to change if it's possible. But non-believers pray for miracles and can be converted when they happen. By God, not us.

[@ellehcorestolas3066]

Pray for her salvation..God hears your prayers.God will save and bless your household..

[@daxbruce3491]

So, just like the catholics huh? How much dose it cost to save my dead loved ones?

[@iidentifyasayoutubertoday7025]

@@daxbruce3491 I'm not Catholic but I will say that the worse thing we can do is ask people questions on KZbin and automatically trust Google or anything like that. Even youtube videos. Many people put their own theories and opinions without doing any real research. We often base our beliefs on what we hear through the grapevine. And I'm personally sick of basing my beliefs on peoples personal opinions and interpretations. So I have decided to take 3 years to study religion. ALL religions. Not just one and no longer go by Google and KZbin. Books books books.

[@daxbruce3491]

@@iidentifyasayoutubertoday7025 oh yeah, these are ALL anecdotal accounts, eaven mine. I do love books. I'm currently reading Guns germs and steel.

[@interestinginsights6077]

Let's pray for his daughter. He seemed like such a lovely father.

[@siegghynss5742]

LETS ALL PRAY FOR HIS DAUGHTER. WHY DO I HEAR TOO MANY WEAK CRY OUTS, OR JUST WEAK COMMENTS , LETS GET THAT DEMON OUT, IN JESUS NAME...!!! DEVIL LOVE THESE KINDS OF WEAKNESSES...PLEASE PPL, MAN WAS NOT HERE TO HEAR " GOD BE WITH YOU" WE ARE MORE THAN CONQUERORS. OR NOT.Tthis is not a regular talk show. Or is it...

[@judithenriquez8555]

I've had this happen to me too. In college I was reunited with my best friend from elementary, we had lost contact in middle school. So meeting her again was so amazing and then she asked me if I wanted to have a bible study. I of course was so excited because she knew I was Christian, in fact she was one of the first people I told about me wanting to get baptized. So I actually thought, I actually thought when we met up for the "bible study" she started to bring up all these blasphemous things. I couldn't believe what was happening and I just broke down. I was so angry and shocked, not at her but at the fact that this cult twists the word of God so horribly. I do think I scared her though because I just started crying and trying to explain to her that that wasn't it. It was so terrible, I wish I had been more prepared in my walk with God. I had to ask my parents to pick me up from school and l couldn't even explain to them what was happening because I was crying non-stop, its just so crazy.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

I pray that one day your friend can see the horrible things they are doing to her.

[@JazmineHarris]

They almost got me when I was a student at UNLV. It’s sad how they take advantage of people who truly want to learn about God.

[@ChristianHada]

thats what happened to my own girl. Now shes been in for years. Totally brainwashed it sucks.

[@MrDrocballer]

Did you celebrate Easter? Are you Christian? Eat ham? Go to sunrise service?

[@AvengeTheCheese]

@@MrDrocballerhey, what r u tryna imply?

[@MrDrocballer]

@@AvengeTheCheese curiosity. Just bringing to light that people may not know who they’re giving their energy to.

[@MrDrocballer]

@@AvengeTheCheese care to answer those questions?

[@tired_buthappy]

This guy is extremely likable and, Lord willing, will be a huge asset to the Faith once God opens his eyes to His truth. I’m praying for God to change and mend his heart. He was a really courageous soul for being willing to share his story and also be raw about where he is now in his faith.

[@karricompton]

I had these people come to my door once, and I spoke with them for a few moments because I wondered if they were JW or other. When they started talking about Mother God, I quickly shared the true gospel and said thanks, I’ll never change my mind. Goodbye.

[@mygirlsh65]

Karri Compton, Right, you have to CUT the enemy off RIGHT where he starts.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

Good for you for recognizing false mother of God theology and standing your ground against this dangerous cult.

[@jeanwanchen1]

Thank God that the true Christ Jesus saved you and protected you from the deception of this cult, and that you were able to speak the truth to them!

[@rebeccaz4364]

@@jessicalindsey7393 Heresy in everywhere now even into the main stream mega churches it's a mess.

[@pratikbhore308]

Brother .. I was myself influenced by the same cult once upon a time in my life which lasted for about 7 - 8 months and had the same zeal as you say your daughter has.. but God miraculous got me out of all this !! Praying for her ..

[@BC-ge4gy]

Thank God!

[@satinderkaur4453]

🙏

[@dareemmanuel6079]

Care to share how please? I'm sure it will be helpful.

[@TheWayWalker]

Praise God!! 🙌 Did they harrass you when you left?

[@Alexandar358]

I think the most difficult thing about leaving this group is the Love Bombing. I've been in the WMSCOG for 4 months, I left after seeing your videos Mike, God bless you for that. But the difficult part I'm still dealing with is the heartbreak. I honestly wish it wasn't a cult because of the love bombing, they make you feel like family, the sense of community is very strong with this group and you just become addicted to the love. I'm freshly out but struggling because the Deacon and his wife are just such nice people, even after I left I feel heartbroken for me and for them still. I know time will heal all wounds but I'm scared I might relapse. I've made myself a ritual of "everytime I think about joining again, just remind myself that it's a cult" So far it's working.

[@ingus5552]

When I look upon nice false teachers I always remember enemy of God and pur souls. This help me keep of false feelings. If we would see spirits we would be shocked to see real picture of the world, nice and bad people.

[@jummyjohn]

Be strong and courageous, remember the enemy of our soul masquerade himself. 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." Whatever you do, let the word of God (scripture) be your guide. May Christ presence overwhelm you.

[@Alexandar358]

@@jummyjohn Well it's been 2-3 months since then. I've deprogrammed a lot since then, so I'm doing better. My shrink actually told me something similar once I left the cult. "The Devil reads the gospel".

[@jummyjohn]

@@Alexandar358 Glory be to God. Please let Christ be the Lord and Savior of your soul. Ask our Heavenly Father for the baptism of the Holy Spirit so your being is filled with His presence. I will keep you in prayers. May the peace of God that passes all understanding rest mightily on you. Shalom.

[@justtamara7562]

The word cult means a group of people gathering with the same beliefs. Everything in society can be a cult technically. I’m sorry you studied the Bible & seen prophecies & later allowed someone to lead you a stray. We love all our brothers & sisters. I’ll pray for you ❤️ God bless you

[@TRAVISTHEDADDY]

I appreciate this father’s honesty about the state of his faith. Most of us are not comfortable being that open. I pray that the Lord opens his daughter’s eyes, and his eyes also.

[@philup6274]

He and she will see by the end of this

[@Alexis-b17]

This is exactly why we must never put man/woman or any earthĺy leader as our focus of worship, in Christ Alone hope is found, pray for the people who are trapped in these church,s which are by orchestrated money minded driven theives and servants of Satan! Ephesians ch 6 says it all and warns us thankfully ,I pray in the name of Christ who gave his blood freely and rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of the Father God in heaven to interseed for them and that this man will know him and trust in him and that his daughter and all the others will miraculously be set free, from their cunning captives! and their lives be set free in every sense of that word, by your power and might Lord , Let No weapon formed against these family members entrapped human beings prosper, and Lord deal with those who are liars and false teachers of your Gospel for your Goodness and glory amen

[@flowerchild777]

@@Alexis-b17 That's really the only approach

[@RH-yy8ff]

Raise up a child in the way he(or she) should go. When he/she is old, they will not depart from it: “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭22:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ May God help her to turn to truth in time🙏🏾

[@logantavellimusic3839]

They came to my door once, I invited them in. It got really awkward. They said “are you sealed with the Spirit of God?” I asked if they meant the Seal of the Spirit. They said no. And it got way crazier from there. At some point they told me they didn’t want to tell me of the Woman in Asia who they saw as the Messiah, because they didn’t want me to blaspheme her name. Or something like that, it’s been a long time. We both awkwardly laughed. They seemed to have this weird, WAY out of context, train they took scripturally from Revelation and it was definitely all out of context. Eventually ending with observing the law, and making fun of the cross on my wall. I think when I said I didn’t worship the cross on my wall, they said yeah well it’s an idol. Needless to say, I’m pretty sure they left feeling like I had made some really good points. I think I showed them how they weren’t following the OT systems of Law. And the usual awkwardness persisted. They are ABSOLUTELY confused, and you can tell they camouflage that confusion with a false confidence.

[@R01202]

As an apostate from "true Christianity," I often hope missionaries visit me, but sadly it has not yet come to fruition. I generally don't want non-violent theists to leave their faiths, but it is quite entertaining to make them uncomfortable with internal critique of their own religions.

[@logantavellimusic3839]

@@R01202 You’d probably be surprised by how many Christians have confronted criticism already. What caused you to leave Christianity?

[@dallasswoveland4466]

@@logantavellimusic3839 You might be surprised how many haven't. Especially from a competent "heretic."

[@logantavellimusic3839]

@@dallasswoveland4466 Today I listened to Gary Habermas discuss the dating and skeptical criticism of New Testament early Creeds. He quoted skeptics such as Bart Ehrman. It seems that even skeptics struggle with an explanation for the Resurrection. One of the theories is hallucinations. Yeah... it would be like an atheists best theory pointing towards aliens instead of God.

[@dallasswoveland4466]

@@logantavellimusic3839 I'm not following.

[@aaronlee4769]

I’m in the Atlanta area. My wife and I were part of a controlling church for 15+ years. We were in college and we were hooked. The pastor told us that she was our spiritual mother and that God picked us out to be her children since she lost her biological ones. She picked 12 of us (6 similar aged couples) and basically made us into her “disciples”. We called her mom and we felt very special. I wouldn’t call the church a cult but looking back, there were a lot of “cult” like characteristics. We were told that no other church was like us. We were the only true disciples and other churches were just playing religion, etc. The pastor used Watchman Née’s book Spiritual Authority to tell us that we need to submit and not question her. After all, she’s not only our spiritual authority, she was also our mom. As we got older, we started questioning things but by then we were so involved with the church and basically it became our entire life. We finally left about 4 years ago but a lot of our friends are still there and . We spent most of our adult lives there. It’ll be too long to talk about everything that happened there but thank God we were able to break away. I believe the pastor wanted to create a community that she could control and stay safe. She loved having people flock to her and calling her mom and compete for her attention and praise. We’re still in the process of healing and re-learning things. I’m praying for others that God will wake them up.

[@rachelparradelong]

Thank God you got out! I grew up in a cultish group but it was a lot of family and a mix of NAR and house church and Semitic concepts . Glad I am out 🙏

[@iw9338]

Praying for your healing. God bless you both.

[@toddcote4904]

Very similar story here. Those watchmen nee books were used on us too. It's great you got out with your wife. I'm currently going through a divorce after 21 years of marriage and 4 kids under 19. My 18 and 16 yr olds have ended their relationship with me too. God is good. He's faithful and hasn't left me stranded. It's been a great test of faith to walk through this, and I'm still believing our marriage can be healed, because God gives good gifts.

[@j-life8502]

Well first off , its unbiblical for a Women to pastor.. im sorry I know that bothers a lot of people. Glad you are okay. I also was part of a religious cult.

[@aaronlee4769]

@@toddcote4904 I am so sorry to hear that. I truly believe that with God, nothing is wasted and somehow He will use our experiences for good. I am praying for you and your family.

[@mellib2086]

I'm 52 and I grew up in a religious cult. I got out at age 24 thanks to my father-in-law who is a Pastor and was introduced to the real Jesus Christ. I don't have adequate words to describe the brainwashing and fear tactics I experienced. I now have complex PTSD due to the spiritual abuse. Cults are destructive and people who exit a cult are often never the same mentally.

[@Alexandar358]

I'm lucky my eyes were opened after just 4 months. I'm still kinda suffering from the emotional withdrawal but I can;t imagine what 24 years must feel like

[@florinmatthew1]

@@Alexandar358 it’s really hard. i can tell after 30 years of JW

[@storyaboutmosquitoes9441]

I am the result of a cult marriage. I also have PTSD. I know God can help me. I feel sick when I hear false teaching that is so wrong. I’m afraid to listen to teachers who may very well be good but I’ve been lied to so many times. Mike winger seems safe to me. Paul Washer. Voddie. I believe they are men of God. I am starting to heal. I no longer feel anxious all the time when I listen. I instead have been able to use discernment. I thank God for that. My father used to say that i was possessed by demons. He would tell my youngest sibling to stay away from me because of them. I was 15.

[@bikkigurung4410]

How can you say that you are introduced with real jesus after celebrating Christmas and Halloween 😂😂

[@ArtistCreek]

@@bikkigurung4410 Did I miss something? Where did they say they celebrated thise holidays? And I know plenty if Christians who celebrate Christmas and participate in Halloween festivities.

[@SweetiePieTweety]

This is so sad. There was a man that would frequent the dog park for years daily where I took my dog. He enjoyed engaging with people about spiritual things and knew I was Christian. I’m talking maybe 5-6 years of biblical lighthearted sharing. Then suddenly when no one was there he got up in my face and made himself large and he was already a very large almost 60 something athletic man. I enjoyed our dialogues all those years and considered him a friend. He never scared me. But that day his eyes got scary and he demanded I declare God was Mother. Nope! I stood him down and stood my ground. He backed away and cackled and tried to call me friend. I told him no one who uses fear to intimidate me to make a false confession would be called friend. I never went back. Found a new dog park. That was a long game. Maybe he was somehow connected to this cult. Yikes. He knew I had just left an abusive marriage situation and was in a difficult time. Maybe he was testing to see if I would fold under pressure 🤷‍♀️

[@intothekey]

Dang that's terrifying

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

He sounds demonically oppressed.

[@kathyd456]

Good for you to stay strong in the face of an attack. I am not being extreme, verbal and emotional and spiritual abuse is very real, and I believe any abuse in those realms is an attack. I am glad to hear your story. Stay strong, ⚓

[@GauteAnimationNorway]

What's up with calling God mother anyways? Makes no sense to me

[@intothekey]

@@GauteAnimationNorway There's this Asain lady in Korea who claims to be the female half of God in flesh. Yeah it's real wacky

[@Stickythekid]

This is one of those things that no parent is prepared for. Pray, pray, pray.

[@pigjubby1]

That is the mistake. Be ready of be sorry. The bible tells us to be on guard all the time.

[@narnia1233]

I also think that maybe we should be doing something too. Praying is important but there comes a point where we also need to be doing something too, I feel. That we need to put in the work too to get things done. For example, we should tell our friends and families about this cult and get the word out at the very least.

[@amybee40]

@@narnia1233 Also, certain people need to be punched in the face. Maybe we all need to take our cue from Saint Nicholas here. You get punched in the face enough times, the money might seem less important to you. Just sayin'...

[@narnia1233]

@@amybee40 Sorry I don’t fully understand what you mean, but I don’t support violence. Although it does make me upset too that people are being deceived. I definitely wouldn’t mind a follow up study and discussion on what a person should do in such a scenario. And maybe what others can/should do to get the truth out there. But, maybe it does begin small within our own communities, friends and family.

[@dareemmanuel6079]

@@amybee40 lol. i hope you're joking though but i feel you.

[@suzanneyorkville]

God bless this man...he is seriously searching...I pray that he would know the truth and the truth will set him free.

[@jazzimilz]

Praying for the end of this "church," his daughter's protection & for his faith!

[@jesuslovesyou1]

Amen you know God is still the creator of all and we acknowledge this all the time when we pray

[@jesuslovesyou1]

We must not forget that HE has a plan

[@LilVic_]

this video is false information, don’t believe the lies from this wicked video

[@evanhairston5872]

Please pray for my sister's deliverance , she was ensnared by this church and has become a devout follower. It's put a major strain my family's relationship with her.

[@daviderdman2766]

Always happy to talk if it helps

[@nedson6503]

You must have a really possessive and intolerant family.

[@daviderdman2766]

@@nedson6503 Um, what the heck dude?

[@sandigrace2271]

@@nedson6503 Sounds more like the cult is possessive and intolerant.

[@foxecarpentress4964]

We are believing Jesus to Free her in His Authority over evil. Amen!!!

[@Brandie-Nicole]

This is just a beautiful example of the Holy Spirit working through Mike. Letting this man’s story be told about how his daughter was spiritually abused, but also ministering to him so that he keeps seeking after God. Love this work you’re doing, Mike. So beautiful. 💜

[@jerurenteria325]

right?? the after-math one-on-one discussion trying to address the man's personal needs is my favourite 🥰

[@calvinjohn2759]

The mind is a battle ground for the soul. I glad that you getting the information out about these evil cults and pointing people to Biblical Christianity. Keep it up in Christ Jesus name. GodBless Amen

[@rachaelalapo1486]

Please pray for my sister. She’s started going to this church 4 years ago. She was approached at her university. My mom and I have tried to speak to her but she won’t listen. I even showed her one of pastor Mike’s videos and she said that everything he said was wrong and that he was blaspheming and she said that she won’t watch anymore of his videos. I have been praying for her and I know that God is bigger but if you guys would pray for her as well I would really appreciate it.

[@econs999]

May Mary lead your sister away from this heresy and bring her to her Son, Jesus. Peace

[@deltacroissant2009]

I’ll pray.

[@justicelover5497]

I am praying for my friend, she's in Shincheonji HWPL another cult

[@infinityswhite206]

When ppl are apart of a culture that's the worse thing u can do the best way is to support her listen allow her to feel freedom of speech and openess or she will draw in with the cult more and go into extreme isolation and you will never reach her

[@heftymagic4814]

@@econs999 mary?? You don't pray to mary, that's ridiculous.

[@laurae8324]

Ephesians 6:12 (NASB) For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

[@janedoe3648]

AMEN!!!

[@TheWayWalker]

YES sister!

[@jesusislordgodisgood4408]

I am in shock ! never heard of them ... God have mercy !!

[@devionevers1232]

these comments have convinced me to tell my story i was in walmart about to clock in for my job and one of them walked up to and asked me to a bible study and it was a young man of color just like me and i love learning about the bible so we had a convo about it and it was good he gave me his number and we scheduled a bible study i go to the church and was shocked to see an apartment building i was sketched out and was about to leave but he came out side and welcomed me in as i walked in i saw his family and kids in the living room and kitchen and i feel more at ease seeing them so nothing bad is going to happen we go in to a room and there is a guy there probably in late 20s had a long beard i sit next to him the leader leaves and i make small talk asking if this was his first time he says no he been here a couple times and there actually really good and they learn sum interesting stuff i get excited and he comes in with sum bibles they were niv and i had a kjv (I can read kjv and understand so i prefer it) he takes mine and gives me there’s and we start studying exodus and for two hours everything was normal and than he started spoon feeding doctrine and theology that is just wrong so i call him out on it and we get into a little discussion and this accures multiple times and each time he starts to get more and more pushy on it and he finally brings out anhsonghong and now i’m fully like yeah what is going on you see i am pretty bible smart compared to the average person so a lot of these things he’s teaching ik is wrong but they had so many proof text and taking verses outta context and made him self seem very knowledgeable i was confused i try to leave but they won’t let me and tell me i’ve been baptized wrong and need to be baptized and need to do passover with them i look to the window to hop out because i start getting horror movie vibes and i argue with him and make up a lie i have to be somewhere in 20mins i have to leave so he gives me my bible back and lets me leave and tells me to NEVER LOOK THEM UP ON THE INTERNET YOU CAN NEVER TRUST THE INTERNET SATAN RUNS THE INTERNET and i finally leave i go home and instantly look them up and see it’s a cult i go tell my dad he’s upset but also laughing like how could i be so stupid and i was very troubled very very troubled about it and i did a ton of research and came across ur videos and was how i was introduced to ur page there is more to the story but i already told enough i would love to talk to you about it

[@SquishyyyBeaner]

That’s so scary man. I’m glad you are ok

[@kathyd456]

Good on ya, you stood tall. ⚓

[@VickyRBenson]

Thanks for sharing your story, Devion.

[@jessicalindsey7393]

Stick with your KJV it is Gods word. Let no man deceive you.

[@SquishyyyBeaner]

@@jessicalindsey7393 or ESV or nasb. King James onlyism is ridiculous

[@SugarySmallpox]

Pastor mike thank you for everything you do! All your videos and podcasts are edifying. Thank you to "David" as well for speaking out against a cult! That can be incredibly difficult to do even with blurred faces. Thank you to both of you!

[@thepricilap]

Pray is free, fasting is free, you don’t need to pay no body to help your daughter. Ask all your family members from your side and your wife’s side and pray and feast for her liberation in Jesus name. He is the only One who can free all of them!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@makidiaz3894]

He can pay a private detective for some peace of mind

[@lelendkendrickmd4393]

Yes but he said himself he is not a believer He does not know what he believes That’s the key Only believers in Jesus Christ Who recieved the holy spirt Can understand who god is This man admits he is not a believer Let’s pray for him to repent Accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior Then he can understand who Jesus is That is where. He starts Thru man we cannot do anything But thru Jesus Christ nothing is impossible We have to put our absolute faith and trust in Jesus Christ our lord and savior He can do anything

[@Window4503]

I know it’s beating a dead horse, but sheesh...I can almost feel the Satanic evil through my screen just hearing about this cult. Heartbreaking.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

I believe that feeling is 100% trustworthy.

[@mrmaat]

Ironically, the WMSCG would say the same thing about your beliefs.

[@momlook6497]

@@mrmaat that's why we never trust our feelings. We look to the word of God as our ultimate authority and standard. Such a sad story this was.

[@SquishyyyBeaner]

Yeah when he started talking about what they did to his daughter I honestly felt uneasy. So scary how demonic it is

[@prayunceasingly2029]

@@SquishyyyBeaner I met people from this cult before and some of them are very persuasive. They literally walk through malls looking for well dressed younger people to convert. If a person is old, or looks poor or homeless they avoid them. Tells you what their true motivation is for converting people to their ideology.

[@davidchapman1295]

“Fastest growing church, all other religions are wrong, we are the only ones that know the true interpretation of the Bible “ this is exactly what I was told growing up in the Mormon church

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Exactly what I have been thinking: talking to Mormons on their channels: so many new cults saying this and fulfilling last days prophey!

[@artix548]

I speculate that they don't realize they're all part of the same religion- a Babylonian Mystery Religion (i.e. Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth).

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@artix548 Not Christianity!

[@christophersmith7412]

Exactly the same story when I was deceived into joining Seventh Day Adventist.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Muslims often use the same promotional idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion.

[@RebelScumThis]

As some one whose father got caught up in a cult my heart aches for this family. This poison destroys familes...

[@mrmaat]

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26

[@jessicalindsey7393]

Cults do destroy families, take a look at how much damage the jw do to their own family, they go as far as disowning them.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@mrmaat you not being a Christian are clueless. Your lack of context is hilarious!

[@mrmaat]

@@davidjanbaz7728 You’re taking me out of context. Examine the plank in your own eye.

[@cconroy1677]

@@jessicalindsey7393 read your bible, Jesus came to tear "families" apart, find out who is teaching their kids the word, and who isn't. The only "family" that matters in the end, is the Father and the Son. Some people are not Jesus, they cannot envelop themselves in the lion's den and trust they will come out victorious, so they protect themselves by shunning, aka abstaining from the activity of interacting with that other person. That is not a JW specific practice. Satan has no power where God and the individual do not allow it.

[@angieflores6966]

I had two guys come up to me talking about mother God etc and they wanted to do a Bible study at my home and I said no thank you I know Jesus saved me. 🙏

[@flowerchild777]

Very nice🤗

[@MrDrocballer]

Did you celebrate Easter? Eat ham? Go to Easter sunrise service? Jesus has nothing to do with those

[@angieflores6966]

No my daughter was not feeling well so we stayed home

[@MrDrocballer]

Whew, saved yourself from worshiping the pagan sun god Tammuz (nimrod incarnate). Tammuz is the son of Ishtar/isis (lady of 10,000 names), the queen of heaven (statue of Liberty) and king Nimrod (molech/baal). Tammuz was killed by a wild boar when he was 40. His death is marked by Ash Wednesday when a “t” is marked on the forehead. Ishtar instituted 40 days of weeping. Ham is eaten on Easter Sunday and bread is baked to the queen of heaven and Everyone worshiped the sun. Ishtar is the goddess of fertility and war. Rabbits and chicken eggs.....o won’t even get into the pagan “easter egg hunts” Everything I speak is back in truth. The Bible confirms it. We’ve been so deceived.

[@MrDrocballer]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

[@ipodrogify]

I've noticed every single cult has said virtually the same thing. Works based salvation, strict sabbath, conspiracy theories, isolation. But the doctrine is literally identical just remixed and called under different names.

[@MrDrocballer]

Like Easter. Cause that has nothing to do with Jesus. I’m not into Tammuz sun worship.

[@kathleens.laroche754]

Hi Mike. Just finished watching. You did the most beautiful job of respecting "David," listening and responding with great care, being transparent, and speaking truth to his search. You came across as empathetic and so genuinely interestes in helping him find answers. You were able to be very sensitive without compromising what you believe in. God bless you for it. You are a wonderful godly role model for the body

[@lkae4]

Sister, you're waving many progressive flags. Please repent. And throw away any books on self-love and Enneagram that you many have.

[@somethinggood9267]

I second this motion! Very fruitful conversation indeed.

[@biccolo1393]

@@lkae4 she said "genuinely interested and empathetic" and "without compromising what you believe in" (which we could infer based on Mike's study being that he believes in the Lord our God and the Bible!). I don't think that's "too progressive." This is an excellent tension to walk in. It's difficult to share the gospel when we don't empathize with others world views. Respect and empathy dont necessary equal accept and believe in. They can, if we believe truth is relative, which as a Christian it is not. Respecting people is solid when speaking truth. You can speak truth, ruthlessly and carelessly, and miss the mark entirely and people walk away from our witness. Much of Jesus' teaching was speaking against the "brood of vipers" that represented God's law... and still got it wrong because they forgot about loving their neighbor while loving and obeying God. (And even that is debatable because of the Pharisaical legalism they represented but only God knows their hearts so I can't make that call for all Pharisees at the time) So we should probably be careful to make such accusations based off of a comment. Jesus wasn't a "conservative or progressive" man. He was merely the Word made flesh as John says and we owe our lives to the Lord and no other! 🙂

[@lkae4]

@@biccolo1393 Are you aware that the seeker-sensitive movement failed?

[@kathleens.laroche754]

@KL What if instead you viewed my comments as referring to Mike's character through the lens of Galatians 5:22,23 - "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control"?

[@Lu3305]

About one of your later comments in the video: after a lifetime of negative church "family" experiences, I am having a hard time trusting any church and am not currently involved in a church fellowship because of that. However, the more I watch you, the more I trust you as an honest, fair, and godly man of integrity, the best compliment I could ever imagine giving. Thank you for all you do for so many of us!

[@dahelmang]

That's so sad! I'm sorry that bad churches have made it hard for you to trust.

[@Personaje123]

Go to a church with hierarchy and tradition. There are so many false churches because of sola scriptura. I recommend Catholic or orthodox

[@dahelmang]

@@Personaje123 hierarchy but no accountability. That's pointless.

[@philpowell9111]

I nearly lost my boys to a cult! I THANK GOD he did not let that happen ! I feel your pain !!

[@paachris1201]

Thank God for his mercy and grace

[@MrDrocballer]

You may be a part of a cult and not even know it. Crazy I know. Did you celebrate Easter? Eat ham? Go to sunrise service?

[@evangelistzayparker251]

@@MrDrocballer There's nothing occultic about Christianity.....those are traditions at best 🙄 Most religions have traditions....every religion so to call Christianity a cult, you'll also need to call every other religion a cult as well.

[@MrDrocballer]

@@evangelistzayparker251 you have no idea how deceived you really are

[@evangelistzayparker251]

No sir you are deceived lol bless your heart 🙏

[@theneontiger5280]

Our only weapon with our children is prayer. They are literally coming after our children. They are socially engineering them to mistrust us.

[@allenaustin5947]

I was in a cult for almost two years. I thank God that he made a way of escape for me.

[@benvindatati]

Praise the Lord!

[@vernonsteinkamp1088]

Which one?

[@allenaustin5947]

@@vernonsteinkamp1088 International Churches of Christ ICOC

[@mendamend]

@@allenaustin5947 me too. Do you have an email address

[@vernonsteinkamp1088]

@@allenaustin5947 I've heard of United Church of Christ ( very liberal). I used to belong to the Church of Christ.

[@jennragsdale6410]

This is heartbreaking and as a single parent I have an awareness now of what I am up against in this world.. (not that i was unaware) ... groups like this prey on the vulnerable .. praying that the Lord continues to draw this father near to Him..

[@kathyd456]

Single Mom here too... It's tough, especially when my oldest has been living just with Dad for almost 2 years... I have to very deliberately not freak out. I can so easily panic and forget that God loves him, God wants him to love Him again, and I just have to trust Him. Simple words, but a hard road to walk in my heart. 😣 Stay tough, Mama. ⚓

[@Joytheia]

Growing up my father would caution me that a person could twist the Bible to say anything they wanted, justify any sin or world view, if they try hard enough. My mother would always caution me to always search the scripture myself over taking any pastors or teachers word at face value. Those two values have carried me through many things that could have confused my faith. Unfortunately every day I see more and more examples of people twisting the Bible beyond recognition and gaining huge followings of those who simply don’t know any better. Let’s face it most people who call themselves Christians haven’t actually managed to read the whole Bible, much less studied it out for themselves. Not judging, just saying, it is what it is. Praying for this family and this daughter.

[@BornAgainCarnivore]

Yeah.. the less you know your Bible, I would say the more at risk you are for believing people who twisted the scriptures or joining these cults.

[@ebear6555]

My mom advised me too. Thank God!. I have not read the whole Bible but enough to know I can search out it's truth. Most churches teach their own doctrine & are not Biblical

[@ebear6555]

No where in the Bible does it say anything about a mother god. God does say he is the one and only God none has come before him and noe will come after him.

[@KNIGHTOFHONOR2]

This was an amazing interview, this man started to do research, to save his daughter from a cult, and ends up doubting his own beliefs. This is a very powerful interview.

[@cconroy1677]

Pretty sure the doubt was there previous. Pretty sure her cult following is a symptom. Wondering if grades meant more than her understanding of the only book that matters in the end?

[@justinharrell327]

This is a wake up call to professing believers. We need to engage in the unseen war by praying for our families and keeping close to Christ. Philosophy alone will not save or rescue our loved ones. Spiritual warfare is real....

[@senonimoustv2497]

We are told to beware of philosphy as its based on the doctrines of men amd not God. We gotta becareful man

[@energeticconfidentlady4254]

Yep. The Trinity is a good test. We also need to build daily on the rock. His words, not mans.

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

Every parent can empathize with this situation...We pray for our children and have started teaching them apologetics, yes, my 2nd and 3rd graders, and I thank you Mike and the other KZbin apologists that have been working so hard to help us defend our faith in Jesus and also teach our children to do the same. ❤️

[@terryhuffaker3615]

2nd and 3rd grade are not too early!! I started when my daughter first began talking about God when she was 4 yrs old! Pray pray a lot and let God be your co-parent! God bless you!

[@pigjubby1]

My daughter has chosen to live with her boyfriend. That is a s deadly as any cult. I pray for her, but she has said, she wants to live like that. Knowing all she knows, she chooses it. James says, we choose to sin. Until, you realize that sin is chosen, you're wasting your time. It is never by accident.

[@tonyabrown7796]

@@pigjubby1 does she believe it is a sin? I lived with my husband before we were married but we considered ourselves married, our families and friends considered us married and I think God considered us married. It was just the government that didn't.

[@rosannasauereisen2827]

I'm curious what you are using to teach Apologetics? My kids are older but one is particularly interested in studying apologetics. I don't even know where to look. We came out of false teaching and I feel like I still don't know what I believe about some things.

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

@@rosannasauereisen2827 That's a great question! Right now we are going through the book of John. Every week we are taking one chapter and reading it together every day (edit: so, yes, we are rereading the same chapter every morning for the whole week). My 2nd and 3rd grader take turns on paragraphs and at the end of the chapter we go back through it and ask questions and try to dig deeper through looking up quotes from the Old Testament, looking up certain words on the internet, Bible Project videos, Jesus Storybook Bible videos, etc. It's really cool because this week is John 12 and Mike Winger did a video on Mary anointing Jesus this Monday, so we can use that in our studying. Also, next week is Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday and we didn't even realize that next week we'll be reading about the crucifixion! My kids each got their own NIV bible (it was half the price of the ESV and the NASB at Mardel's...and I really like the NIV), and I have them look up the chapter each day when we read. Whenever there is an opportunity for me to highlight something, for example, when Jesus is talking about himself in relation to God, we all read that verse aloud together and then underline it. From John 12, we could underline John 12:45 "The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me," or other verses that help us understand the Trinity. We've just started talking about words like "atheism," new age spirituality, and other religions in the context of the first two commandments of Moses. It's really hard to read the gospels without going back to the Old Testament for reference, so often we'll just read the reference, but not fully explain everything because it just takes too much time and they get bored, but I can't help but think that I'm still teaching them how to study and research. I hope that helps! Have fun and just enjoy learning God's Word with your kids, and I pray God will use you and your children for His glory :)

[@zeexxx8733]

This cult almost had me and I thank God for saving me ❤

[@jesusislord9447]

I can only immagine the heart break this dad is going through! Lets pray for him and his doughter, coz God is able to deliver!!! In Jesus Name!

[@dianabrown2258]

I used to be in this cult, crrrrazy times smh, best of luck to all trying to get out

[@harley6222]

Hello Diane, what made you quit that cult if you don’t mind sharing.

[@dianabrown2258]

@@harley6222 great question, there's 2 ways to quit a cult, one is thinking critically and making a choice based on evidence shown, the other is unfortunately how I came to leave which is called preconditioning, before joining the cult I was predisposed to cultic behaviors (this man David's daughter was too based on what he's saying in the video) so I left out of fear, pressure, anxiety and not from being in my right mind. Take it from me, you don't want it to happen the way it happened for me, it's like leaving 2 cults at the same time. There's a million better ways to leave a cult!

[@dianabrown2258]

Ok I rethought my last response lol I'm at peace with how I got out of the cult, it's ok that other people were pressuring me and didn't necessarily give me the "right" reason to leave, the point is I got out! Surviving, thriving, all in one piece, living my life I'm thankful to have back, and The most important thing honestly, if I had not have joined that cult I would not have read the Bible and I would not know Jesus for who He really is and know Him personally, it's worth going thru the whole ordeal a hundred times over if it means getting to see the glory that was revealed from it, I really really mean that, I have something now that can never be taken away

[@taylorarnoux-prost3425]

@@dianabrown2258 im so glad you found Jesus :) that reminds me of the verse that All things work together for good for those that love the Lord :) thanks for sharing your testimony

[@BettyFoito]

How did you get out?

[@ntboon]

"If you rob yourself from being able to trust anybody your just allowing his harm to continuelly be perpetrated in your life" - Mike Winger. Well said.

[@pigjubby1]

No, you must be on guard all the time. It is a full time job .Compare everything anyone says to God's Word. The more of God's Word you know, the easier it is to spot baloney. 31:00. "We're not biblical experts. We try to be good people." We live in a world of predictors. You best believe you need to be an expert on God's Word. When buying a house how much do people study real estate? But they won't study something that will save their souls? That is crazy.

[@BettyAlexandriaPride]

@@pigjubby1 My only issue with what your interpretation is this; what if you've misinterpreted the Bible or God's word during your personal Bible Study and someone of Biblical wisdom is trying to show you the true intention of the scripture you're misunderstanding? I agree that we should be skeptics, and I agree we should pray, use discernment etc. I also know that many of the people that I invited to church weren't open-minded when it came to Christianity. Being able to trust is not the same as blindly trusting in my opinion. Once again, I am not disputing that we as believers have to exercise discernment, but having a wall with no door can be harmful as well. I hope that makes sense. Regardless of if we agree or disagree I hope you have a wonderful day.

[@karisgranger6013]

This is so crazy because I got approached by someone from this cult a few years back and didn't even know it was the same as the Mother God thing. I was reading my Bible somewhere in public on a nice day at a table outside, and I prayed that if there was someone God wanted me to witness to, that they would see me reading the Bible and come ask me something about it. Not long after I prayed that, this girl approached me and said she was asking people questions for a school project. Then she started talking to me about how the book of Revelation predicted world war 2. It was a lot of very complicated stuff about Revelation and end times. At this point I did not know what group she was a part of or that it was a cult. She said they were called Church of God, and I had no clue what that was. She asked me if I wanted to meet her again for a Bible study. So I said yes, still kind of wondering if this was a regular Christian group. Right before we were going to meet, she called and said she had brought another person from her church with her, and asked if that was okay. I said sure. So we met in the same place, and that's when I realized how off their teachings were. They explained to me that all churches outside their own are wrong because they do not observe the passover and other feasts/ceremonies. They said communion is actually called the passover and must be observed at a particular time of year, and if not that person is not really saved. They also said baptism is necessary for salvation. Then they said that all of us lived in Heaven before we came to earth, and Adam and Eve's sin took place in Heaven. After that all humans were kicked out of Heaven and our memories were wiped, so we have no remembrance of our previous time in Heaven. I thought this was very similar to Mormonism. By the grace of God I had prepared myself beforehand and prepared some verses to refute certain things I'd heard from the first conversation. They wanted to meet with me again a third time, and I said yes because I really wanted to evangalize. Not saying it's wise to keep meeting with members from a group like this, but I ended up saying yes. This time halfway through one of the girls said she had to leave. Then a completely different girl approached us, and was like "Hey, watcha guys talking about?" Then she explained that she was from their church and just happened to be working nearby and see us there. I honestly don't believe it was just a coincidence, I think it was planned. So this other girl sat down and started debating with me too. This meeting was where they talked about how the Sabbath is actually on Saturday and that it was changed due to pagan influence, and if you went to church on Sunday you were actually worshipping the devil. Thankfully God gave me the right words to say where I was able to refute their points. I don't think they were convinced, but after that they stopped contacting me. I texted the girl I first met and invited her to my Christian group on campus. She didn't come, but I believe God put her in my path for a reason. They seemed like lovely people who honestly believed what they were saying. Please pray for these girls. 🙏 But it's crazy all this other stuff I had no clue about, because they don't tell you up front. They didn't say anything about this Korean guy or even the God the mother concept. It's like they're hiding it from you because you'll instantly know it's a cult if they say those things up front. They want to make it seem like just true Christianity. They take a lot of verses out of context too. I think they are hoping to run into people who don't really know their Bibles or aren't sure what they believe so they can be more easily convinced. They are also around the college I graduated from, going around on campus and trying to recruit people by inviting them to Bible studies. I also know of a friend of a friend who got involved and was trying to convert my friend. She went to the group itself and asked them for information about what they believed, like how regular churches have a mission statement that lists their core beliefs. They got really sketchy about it and had nothing to give her. They also told her not to look up stuff online about them because it was not true. If any group has to use lies and deceit and hide things from you, that's an instant red flag. I will be praying for this man's daughter that she will come out of this cult and find her way to true Christianity. 🙏❤

[@conservativemama3437]

Watching you gently witness to this sweet daddy at the end was wonderful. Praying for his heart to believe through the Spirit’s power.

[@jamalkhan3708]

Very sad story. I believe we are living in last days, satan is working hard to deceive, he know his time is short. Praying for his family 🙏

[@MrDrocballer]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. So what’s the strong delusion? It’s more subtle than you think.

[@85set05]

Blaming Satan when her Christian upbringing was what primed this poor girl to fall for this bs is kind o ironic.

[@dariusdina8561]

I was studying at school and had a 45 minute conversation with one of there missionaries and I didn’t even know until later. I thank God that he kept pulling obscure Bible verses out of the back of my mind that I would have never remembered without his help to combat the man with!

[@72586jejones]

As a Christian for nearly 30 years, I am frightened and disappointed in myself for not knowing about this cult. Thank you so much for these videos.

[@justicelover5497]

Shincheonji HWPL (Mt ZION) Another cult works in the same way and more dangerous

[@BAM1983]

I literally live around the corner from a WMSCOG. Even had to women approach me at Walmart. They asked me if they could talk to me about "mother God" I politely declined and told them I am a follower of "FATHER God" Lol

[@carolina_grace5721]

Amen sis!

[@TH-tc3ib]

Exellent 🙏 these people sound nutty. Mother god pfttttt 🤦

[@kellykade]

Amen for real!

[@ALBoon-jw2bd]

I COUGHT THAT FIRST TOO!!!

[@kingsmeni.n.c.8479]

Great work Mike, beautiful approach....I love how you met him right where he was, & left the door open at the end to encourage him to ask GOD to reveal HIMSELF to him. The Epitome of "I became all things to all men; that I might win some".

[@bingleah]

I had a similar situation... I was part of a cult and my mom and my sister basically made some comments the I kept thinking about. And finally I realized what I was studying was scary bad. I prayed a lot for truth and I started listening to mike and vocab Malone about stuff. Praise God I got out. But now i educate people about what I’ve learned because I’m very blessed that I got out. Thanks Mike!

[@narnia1233]

I would say never place your faith in man though, including Mike. And really study the Bible yourself too. But yes, so glad you got out of a cult. We’re all flawed so we have to pray and talk to God.

[@ginamartinez1654]

Praise God you got out.

[@hunterklise9337]

I’ve also had a similar situation. The biggest part of it is making you believe they’re the only ones that have it right. I was convinced all other denominations were wrong about Jesus and salvation

[@arcguardian]

@@hunterklise9337 scary place to be.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Which cult if i may ask? I was raised in the two by twos, started by William Irvine and Edward cooney, which is a less extreme cult than the jw's but more secretive than the jw's because the two by twos have no printed literature and no visible online presence.

[@dylanmartin8736]

I had a lengthy conversation with one yesterday. The man was in this "church" for 9 years and unwilling to even consider that he was wrong. Calling his beliefs wrong, heretical, or a cult reinforces, in their mind, what Jesus said about being persecuted when you follow Him. The entire conversation was really sad, unsettling and seemingly hopeless for opening his eyes to the truth. I believe the only way for the wool over their eyes to be removed is through fervent prayer.

[@ChristianHada]

Yeah thats the same with my girlfriend who unfortunately got manipulated by this cult. ALl you can do is just be patient and try to plant any seeds of truth when you talk to these people. They completely cut off any other thoughts that are different from the group. completely possessed by the churches ideology.

[@fallonmerri9586]

Sounds like my ex husband. He lead me to distrust my parents and family and isolated me from them. Luckily I got out of that marriage!

[@8Platinum8]

I was gonna say they sound like gaslighting narcissists only incorporated

[@n.a.lancaster5729]

Narcissistic abuse and cults work very, very similarly. In large part, cults form around a highly narcissistic personality, such as a person with narcissistic personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder.

[@BornAgainCarnivore]

When the guy said "that's when we got scared.." I thought to myself, don't get scared.. get on your knees instead (and pray daily for your lost child).

[@carolina_grace5721]

Exactly!

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

Lol you people. You would be just as scared as anyone. Self righteous people goodness

[@BornAgainCarnivore]

@@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST I know you might think that I am being self-righteous based on how my sentence might sound to you, but I am not trying to be self-righteous. I would fear, that would be my knee-jerk reaction, it is in every situation, but I suppress that fear because I end up making things worse, doing what my flesh says to do, even though it looks right in my own eyes. I suppress the fear reaction because I cling to the words God says multiple times throughout scripture of do not fear.. and I remember hearing another father's testimony very similar to this guy with his daughter, a guy in my church. And he said he obeyed God at his word and chose not to fear and just keep praying for his daughter and after a year or 2 she turned around, because when he would try to talk to his daughter it made her wall up and not listen even more. He was getting the opposite results trying to get to his daughter on his own. So long story short.. I said that because I am wanting to live by faith to not fear.

[@ronnychristenjoyer6778]

:( I hate this manipulative crap. Young people with no understanding being taken advantage of by psychopaths. There are so many snares in life, woe unto them that put them into the world. That's one reason why I believe in God, there has to be some ultimate justice for this kind of stuff.

[@trecian777]

Amen

[@peterfox7663]

Preparing children with the truth is crucial. They will be better equipped to recognize lies.

[@narnia1233]

I strongly think that families should be reading the Bible together. It should be part of family life, like having dinner together. At least when the child is young. But maybe also as adults. If families put as much effort into studying the Bible as they did helping with homework for school, etc. then kids would really know it well. And I don’t mean reading the Bible and memorizing verses. But, actually discussing openly what a passage meant and what the time period and cultural significance and what archeological evidence there is for the Bible, how science supports the Bible, etc. If parents taught their kids every day about these topics in depth in an open discussion and as a family they all learn together then they wouldn’t be so fragile in their faith and understanding.

[@ronnychristenjoyer6778]

@@narnia1233 True. Faith and understanding will protect a person from the lies of the world.

[@trecian777]

​@@narnia1233 100% agree; couldn't have said it better.

[@jewelamaryllis4320]

I also was in a cult like this, they called themselves the end-time church. This is in my country, Suriname. My friend invited me. They could tell me about my past very well and they could read your mind which made me think they were true prophets. I did notice some strange things they did or said where I thought: "this is not from Christ". But they always said that when you doubt the prophet of Christ you will be punished by God, so I didn't question them about the strange things I noticed. I invited my mom, brother and a friend also. And my friend who invited me also invited his parents and siblings. My mom and brother only went once,but my friends parents went almost every service. At the beginning everything seemed good, because they could state everything from the bible, make it seem like they did miracles and prophecy very well. But later on they started putting their door on lock, saying that if someone wants to enter that person has to be screened first otherwise that person would bring evil spirits inside the church. They did say that they were the only church where God is, the only one going to heaven, so we had to bring everyone to this church to be saved. But everyone we bring has to be screened first and cleansed from evil spirits. They made you believe that anyone not from that church has evil spirits. I remember one day I would feel a horrible pain like something was painfully squeezing my heart and I wasn't the only one who felt it that day. The prophets felt it also and one prophet said that God was very angry at us, because we weren't connected with Him. They would use fear and always say that God is angry with you, so you had to follow exactly what the prophets told you, otherwise God will punish you. I now believe that it actually really was an evil spirit that squeezed our hearts and not God being angry with us. God will never hurt anyone, even if you disobey Him. God is love and He loves. It is not true that God hurts people. We should get a real relationship with Jesus and we will see how much God truly loves us. . I used to get a ride from a family to church, but one day they must have left early, because I waited for them half a day but I never saw them. Later on that day I received a message from them saying they were already in church. I cried to God asking Him why He made me miss that day in church, because I believed that God was only in that church, so if I didn't go that day, then I missed being with God that day. And I thought that I did something wrong, that's why God didn't want to see me that day and that's why He made miss the ride to church that day. I noticed that the friend who first invited me wasn't at a church a few days, so I sent him a message, telling him what happened and that I was sad I missed church that day. He told me to come to his house because he wants to tell me personally why he didn't attend the last days. So I went and he told me every behind the scenes things the "prophets" of that church did to make it seem like the Holy Spirit is talking to them, while they were just mind-reading and guessing and so many other things. And as he told me I started realizing that I did see the red flags,but I ignored them, because I didn't want to doubt the so called "prophets of God" and bring judgement upon myself. And if you tell them that you don't want to go to that church anymore they will tell you that you will go straight to hell and demons will come and make you sick and make you lose your mind. That's what they did to my friend and he got really sick and did almost die, but his parents prayed by his bed every day and night. That's why he didn't attend the church those last days. He was lying in bed, very very ill because they cursed him that this will happen. So I immediately blocked everyone of that church from my social media and whatsapp and I never went to that church again. I disappeared silently you could say. I didn't want to give them a chance to curse me also. When I came home from my friend after he told me about them I told my mom about it and she thanked God, because she said that she already saw the red flags that day she attended that church with me and when she attended her own church conference she saw the parents of my friend who invited me and she talked to them about the church where I and their son were going and they told her immediately that it was a cult, but they went undercover, acting like they believed them just to take their son out of that church. And my mom said to them that they should let their son help me get of that church also, because she doesn't know how to get me out and maybe I will listen to their son. And they all prayed for us for God to guide us. So I realized that God didn't hate me, but He loves me and that's why He made me miss the ride to church that day. And it's the prayer of our parents that got us out. And to this day I am more a believer in Christ than ever. I know the true Holy Spirit guides me. I opened the bible that day and this is what I read: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24. I knew that was the Holy Spirit telling me that I belonged to the very elect and that Jesus loves me and that I got deceived by those false prophets, but God saved me. So to this father and every other parent who lost their kid to a cult I would say: keep praying for your kids and trust in Jesus Christ. Keep praying, don't give up. Jesus Christ will get them out of that church. He loves all of us. He saves all of us. All praise to the most High living God! Hallelujah, Amen!

[@tanyawilliams7283]

I’ve always been a fan but my respect for you has grown exponentially in this video. Your understanding, respect and discernment for this man in his faith struggles is beyond commendable and is something to be admired and emulated. Great job, Mike😊 Praying for this man and his family.

[@benry007]

I think this shows how important it is to educate and equip our children to be able to recognise cults before they get wrapped up in them.

[@manoflight4297]

I went to a couple Bible studies with my friend who has been going about a month. It started out interesting but got weird once mother god was brought up. That’s when I started digging. I’ve been sending my friend Bible references to him disputing their beliefs, along with some of your videos. I pray and ask anyone reading this to pray for these people being prayed upon by this group.

[@kellimagana1480]

As an ex-sister (2013-1016) from WMSCOG, this father was my parents also. BUT my mother as a little girl growing up believes soo much in the Catholic faith as did my dad(How do you think that went for me lol as a sister at the time). This daughter's actions of this man were MEEEEE also, what made me get out was preparing to preach. I started seeing that this is an act this "church" is playing and taking money even though they say we need to give a 10th. And staying away from the sinful world and people. Good lord, well I'm glad I'm out. I'm free from them!

[@ChristianHada]

Im so happy that you made it out. Someone close to me has been in this cult for years. May I ask, what made you start to doubt them and ultimately leave? Was it all your accord or did someone talk to you that made you open your eyes?

[@kellimagana1480]

@@ChristianHada When I was now ready to preach, brothers and sisters would meet and learn how to preach to someone "Well". It seemed like I was performing a skit. Everything is rehearsed. and of course, they would always keep me from my family, to give all my time to Zion .

[@maryamory1549]

My heart goes out to you and your family. I married someone who seemed to have accepted Christ, yet I found myself, twenty years later, being told no one could stand me and I needed to move out. I had a crash course in narcissism. These cults apparently use all the same tactics. By the grace of God,I have come out of the fog and now guard my mind and heart and have clear personal boundaries. Getting God’s word in my heart and mind helps to avoid getting caught up in all of this insanity. When I hear New Age teachings something just doesn’t sit right in me. I know it is theHoly Spirit getting my attention and saying “ Careful. Think about that.” I have been alienated from my kids during the marriage and since the divorce due to the lies and manipulation of their own father and the spiritual pull of the culture toward things that are in opposition to the gospel. I will never give up believing and praying for their freedom.

[@christinemalvin6129]

My aunt is going through the same thing with her daughter. My cousin won’t listen to anyone and is very explosive and argumentative when she is questioned about what she says that she gets from the church. However, she is really vocal about attacking biblical truth that she believes is not “interpreted” correctly. It could be written plainly in the Bible but she holds on to her beliefs. I just pray that God opens her eyes and delivers her.

[@helened6896]

Learn to pray from the court of Heaven BUT you must be strong spiritually to do this because devils do retaliate. I experienced that hugely when I prayed in that way over my nephew, who had a very bad bloodline from his dad's family. It has cost my family hugely. But God gives the victory. Yet you still must be very strong or you may be attacked in a severe way you aren't prepapred for. Devils do retaliate from those kinds of prayers because it pulls the person's life from destruction.

[@andytpatt]

As a parent of a teenager, I'm always praying about my concerns for influences in my son's life. I can't imagine what I'd do to someone who corrupted my child like this. I pray I'm not confronted with this because I don't know that I'd have the restraint I'm seeing from other parents.

[@AcidAdventurer]

I think part of the restraint comes from the recognition of the part their child plays in the whole thing

[@nikkowood4476]

All you can do is keep planting the seeds of solid biblical doctrine. Always let it proceed from your lips. It can make the difference.

[@gavin_hill]

Teach your kids about the cults, then they will know the falsehood before it comes knocking.

[@Window4503]

As someone who was once a teen (lol) and stayed strong in the faith despite those fragile years, I’d say the best thing they can learn at that age is apologetics and exposure to other worldviews through the lens of Christ. If your son is already learning that, he’s probably going to do just fine!

[@Dspalten]

These videos help bring awareness. So many are naive that these cults even exist today. They think that these cults were a 70s or 80s thing. Keep up the videos to keep bringing awareness, it could save many lives!