What if this is Satanism in its final form?

Why make this video?
Because I believe that this sort of teaching is going on in a lot more churches than many of us realize. Having the video out there may reach someone and deliver them from this movement. In addition, it helps to examine extreme examples of the most progressive teaching out there so that viewers can develop the ability to start recognizing that sort of teaching when it appears in more subtle forms. I don't make this video primarily for Jermell or his church, even though I hope it helps them. I have a much wider audience and impact in mind.
Please do not harass Common Good church or Jernell. If you must reach out to them (I am not trying to instigate a ton of people doing so) you need to have the wisdom, fortitude, and grace to to do so as an ambassador of truth.
Thank you to Woke Preacher Clips for exposing this kind of false teaching. x.com/wokepreachertv?s=21&t=s...
LINKS:
You can see the full, original video here (though I would not be surprised if they take it down) kzbin.infoz5qW3VoY...
This is the video defending the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement against slogans like what we hear from Jermell kzbin.infoOzYQSh0S...
I'm Mike Winger and my goal is to help people learn to think biblically about everything.
My website BibleThinker.org

[@lindamusser7370]

He's just following Scripture. In Matthew 4, Satan tells Jesus to fall down and worship him. Note: This is sarcasm.

[@tndm8312]

Good one 😂

[@ProfessorJM1]

Haha, we getchya, Nice 👍

[@dovaro2377]

Thank you for adding that note 😅

[@Idkjustyet]

Yeah Sure…

[@lindamusser7370]

@@Idkjustyet ?

[@SinKiske-ms3gy]

The thought of God worshipping me is disgusting

[@Gargeler]

, its a phrase that came from the phrase so popularly used today “love yourself”.

[@Rayne1bow]

And scary cause I don’t know what I’m doing

[@ButlerGrisholm]

Brilliant

[@Lila_Officialroachqueen]

@@Gargeler But the Bible says that

[@reekinronald6776]

Thought experiment: Imagine God worshiping Nancy Pelosi.....nope doesn't work.

[@mavrk.d]

What worship do I deserve?… NOTHING!! Our righteousness is but filthy rags

[@Polyhexgaming]

Righteousness which God predestined

[@nikkisigmon8090]

​@@Polyhexgaminghumans have free will. God may know the ending bc he is outside of time, but we are making our own choices.

[@airmanjones18]

Exactly

[@Polyhexgaming]

@nikkisigmon8090 Sure, like being blind is choice. 🙄

[@ae_pd]

Amen!!!

[@luyandadunjwa]

Hearing him say “what if God worships you” made my stomach turn. 🙅🏽‍♀️

[@mstrouble2525]

Me too

[@AyoKillaCam]

What’s weird about it??? In order for each relationship to exits something has to be mutual!!!! He does love you? He does want the best for us right? You’re basically saying GOD can’t possibly be happy and rejoice that his children love him enough to want to do better. Stop thinking so small minded and pessimistic. Not everything has to be evil in this world. Are you getting up everyday and preaching to people? Do you care enough to own a church to help guide people? If the message isn’t for you simply exit. No need for twisting another persons word so you can make something out of it. ❤️

[@robynmarler1951]

But Ayo, YOU are the one twisting words! Of course God loves us and wants us to be happy. But that's not worship!

[@Generational_Blessing]

@@AyoKillaCam fool

[@almerok]

I'm glad I'm not the only one, it is a perverse statement. It makes my skin crawl!

[@Yani-Mari]

I had the biggest “PAUUUUUUUUSSSEEEEEEEE” moment when he said “what if it didn’t stop God from worshipping you?” The idea of God worshipping me is sad and horrible. His son was the one that sacrificed himself, He made me and made everything?! WHY WOULD HE NEED TO WORSHIP ME?!

[@robynmarler1951]

🎖

[@matthewhummel1572]

There’s nothing wrong with what he’s preaching when you take into account that he isn’t preaching for Jesus Christ, but for the government’s agenda of misleading the public.

[@gmurder13905]

The thought is so egregious

[@helix33933]

WE created God. They are the collective child of humanity. Why is it sad? you should be honored that the child worships you. Why are you horrified?

[@matthewhummel1572]

@@helix33933 I’m sorry you feel that way, and I hope you open your eyes one day.

[@misterclub1074]

This is so bad, the idea of God ever worshipping me has never in my 37 years of being on God's green earth ever crossed my mind, the guy needs to repent.

[@ifthatthenthis3797]

Actually he can't repent he is like Pharaoh Or the men from the tribe of Benjamin who raped the woman and murdered her This guy hates God

[@phil4_8]

Agreed. Not even for a millisecond has this thought entered my mind. The people following this heretic need to have their eyes opened. Yet, we are told in scripture how things like this will happen.

[@patriciacesar6500]

Now days they are EVERYWHERE

[@Polyhexgaming]

This is wretched... even from an agnostic perspective... God deserves reverence

[@jacktrades3747]

Insanity at the most extreme.

[@tiapiper1168]

Blasphemy at its WORST 😢

[@midlander4]

That's no way to talk about poor old Mike. He's doing his tin-rattling best.

[@Bibletalk-Ministries]

@@midlander4come again?

[@joshuawoodin7]

I see what your saying I will refine what your saying WORST thing we can notice those with the holy spirit and those who love and the BEST thing they will hear is this kind of nonsense. But your comment is 100% right !!!

[@nubianecutie]

It's one of those "go big or go home situations." 😂😂😂😂

[@midlander4]

@@Bibletalk-Ministries oh dear

[@Taterstiltskin]

"I hope it was a blast for him, because it certainly was a blas-phe-my" -Keith Foskey

[@ELZZEYE]

😂😂😂😂

[@dallasdrotts4907]

When I saw "Keith" I thought it was gonna be a Keith Green quote lol. Sounds like a pun he would make as well.

[@zariaaa652]

I’m screaming

[@empathyworks8890]

This is dangerous. This is how we go from dealing with Satanism, to God dealing his full wrath against us, which is FAR scarier than the prior.

[@nickfaire]

"God is all love"

[@averyarp7901]

@@nickfaire no he's not, he wants a fearful slave. But he is arrogant and jealous one of the divine his throne is not the only one. Soon Christianity will have to answer for trying to kill the other paths of spirituality.

[@MikeWinger]

I truly hope Jermell and his congregation turn from this folly and find the light and life of Christ. The they can worship a God who saves them, calls them to holiness, and who is actually real.

[@bbgun061]

Wow. If my pastor said "maybe" and "what if" as much as this guy, I would think he's not sure of what he's talking about. I notice this guy speaks in a style, emphasizing certain words, as if what he's saying is incredibly profound. But when I think about what he says, it's mostly nonsense. I don't think it's satanism, but it may as well be. He's not actually worshiping satan, he's worshiping himself. But I don't think satan cares if we worship him, as long as we're not worshiping God.

[@DivineLoveArchive]

do you believe that God leaves people to their own human nature when they try to achieve that *holiness* or does God offer his Divinity because we ourselves cannot live up to that level of holiness?

[@markburk7022]

WOW an Anti-Christ, SHOCKING, didn't see that coming (joking), tonge in cheek keep your heads on a swivel, if we stay together even if we loose our heads literally we will rise together ❤️

[@anon7222]

Question: I’m a new Christian, so I’m still unsure about demonic influence in the world. This man speaks words straight from Satan though, so is he straight up possessed? Do demons whisper to people like this even if not possessed? Or is this just the depravity of man? Truly appreciate any insight anyone can provide! This is sickening no matter what the source.

[@briggy4359]

Mike, I highly recommend listening to James Lindsay's videos about the gnostic virus, I think you'd find the info very useful

[@serifen888]

And Spurgeon's quote fits perfectly here: "The time will come when instead of shepherds feeding sheep, they will have clowns entertaining the goats.” There is no better way to put it.

[@bethl]

Exactly

[@kristaraej]

fitting quote for sure

[@KaoXoni]

I'd love to have the full source reference, if you can find it, please.

[@serifen888]

@@KaoXoni Here you go: Charles Spurgeon, The Gospel of the Kingdom: A Popular Exposition of the Gospel According to Matthew (Baker Books, 2012), p. 252.

[@maleyyoung]

“Freedom is saying ‘no’ to sin”! Thank you Mike!!

[@Quietonset]

I went to Undergrad with Jermell. He is a phenomenal human being. He is part of the reason I became a Christian and was lead to Christ. Ive used his cologne, cut his hair, slept on his dorm floor, and ran from the police with him😂😂😂😂😂. He is great. He had just an admiration for God and such a solid theology in college, but this is a change. Respectfully, I’m not sure what happened to his theology. I love my brother, and I’m praying for him.

[@jacobeuhus1183]

That is so sad to hear. I will pray as well.

[@raymondsmith2040]

I hope he pointed you to the right God cuz he's clearly following the wrong one according to this.

[@geeshta]

He seems to be a homosexual. Maybe he had a bad experience with some Christians and it led him towards LGBTQ movement and progressive theology?

[@SaxonC]

How Sad that you have been deceived by a heretic

[@CapeForBlackWomen]

@@SaxonC the original poster stated there was a CHANGE obvs they were not misled their friend went astray pray don’t ridicule

[@jennifer12eme]

Hi Mike. I'm Jewish but watch your videos "religiously" as you help me to have hope that the entire Christian world has not lost it's entire mind. Merci.

[@roseludvik1743]

Yes there are some of us who adore GOD ,,I DONT EVEN SAY IM A CHRISTIAN,because they have messes that up. I just say ,I just try ever second to walk Christ like, glad you still have hope ,Mike is great.

[@iamtheteapot7405]

Brother read the book of Isaiah again for me.

[@reneed8793]

I couldn't even watch had to turn it off. As a former witch the triple Goddess is the head. Jesus saved me. This makes me physically sick.

[@kristaraej]

Praise God He saved you

[@Quincy_Morris]

Thank God for His salvation that anyone may repent and turn to Him.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

It's always great to hear of people leaving falsity and coming to Jesus, don't stop reading the Bible, don't stop studying. Hallelujah!

[@kladies3021]

As an ex witch and now born again believer. Becoming a new creation makes you totally repelled by our former way of life. We can't even relate to it at all because it doesn't fit us anymore.

[@jaredarnold9139]

​@@kladies3021amen!

[@charlotteroblin5374]

Its honestly scary how deluded some people are. 😳 we all have deluded ourselves at some point. Thank God he saved me.

[@robinmoore7202]

Amen!

[@veilbreak5867]

I think they're willfully deceiving and are knowingly being deceived. I don't even believe they're deluded at this point. They know what they're doing imo

[@josevalverde7431]

Why atheism it's increasing, may be because , Richard Dawkins?

[@airkami]

You sound like an atheist talking about any religion at all. Not passing judgement on you for it. Just an observation.

[@gravity_well5627]

Dawkins is mid. He is a pawn of Satan. It is because man wants to hear things that "tickle their ears" 2Tim4:3. It's a failure of or school system teaching evolution as fact instead of looking at God's word for creation.

[@benjamin667.]

Naming a sermon “what if” seems right out of Satan’s playbook. “Did God really say?”

[@anaisasimpson9022]

Exactly!!! This is exactly the original temptation! “Did God really say…” followed by, “…you will be like God.” It’s all wrapped up in a nice little package in this progressive preacher’s sermon.

[@meggi8048]

thats what the satanists do in the tv show "evil" to convert people to do evil

[@davidarmstrong2078]

I felt the weakness of the applause offered a glimmer of hope for his congregation.

[@robynmarler1951]

We need to pray for the person who shouted "wow!" But I think they sometimes pay people to do that?

[@davidarmstrong2078]

@@robynmarler1951 The idea of a professional "wow" shouter is quite weird to me😀

[@EmpoweredByHisGrace]

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons..."

[@chillinchum]

That sounds like some things I've learned about the Catholic Church. As barbed as that is to say, I say it because I want to point out, christian Theogians have argued endlessly for centuries, there are far too many denominations for some people's tastes. And I'm supposed to just take your perspective as the correct one?! Do you have any idea how many people I've heard repeat this exact scripture verse but coming from radically different perspectives?!

[@chelseabarker2250]

Sounds like you're pawning your responsibility which is upon yourself to seek truth. If you know the Word, you know when you're hearing doctrines of demons. You don't need a priest or anyone to tell you. You as a Christian will have the same Spirit which inspired the writing of this verse. ​@chillinchum

[@UncrushableHope]

Notice the lack of authority. All the what ifs, the opposite of how the jews said Jesus spoke.

[@TheSlaveofJesusChrist]

​​@@chillinchum The catholic church has just as much disagreement between themselves as we do-that is, if not more. If you look for it you'll find it. The reason why is because the catholic church hasn't made any certain conclusions on Scripture aside from very few passages, and these can be understood by any average person.

[@chillinchum]

@@chelseabarker2250 Fine, let's humor you. I have received inspiration, in addition to reasoning, that I cannot trust any scripture to be the word of god, or any supposed prophet to be a speaker of god's unalienable word, his gospel. From thier very foundations. So, is there a way to provide some basis as to why I can trust the bible as the gospel, without using it at all as evidence for itself? as it is the entire book itself that is in doubt to me.

[@OGA103]

This is what main character syndrome leads to. The idea that God worships us. Yikes.

[@stevej71393]

"Main character syndrome" I've never heard this term before but I think it's a great way to describe what I've been thinking over the past few years, especially in the church. The usual question people ask when reading the Bible is "Yes, but how does this apply to ME?" The truth is, we are nothing more than bit actors while Christ has top billing.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@stevej71393 Wow, never thought of that before. I have heard people describe the Bible as a rule book and that always bothered me but I couldn't find where they went wrong to get there. But if everything is asking how it applies to me, then everything does turn into a rule and lose it's message. In another video Mike mentions how the Sabbath was meant to be a blessing but because of how it was enforced as a rule it became a burden. I wonder if the "Yes, but how does this apply to ME?" question is how that happened. Thoughts?

[@ih82r8]

Right?? We are characters in a larger story...and it's a story that HE is telling, not us.

[@eleanaemmert9235]

I am a gen z Christian and I affirm this message.

[@jviper2004]

@@stevej71393 I think it was a term to criticize how the current movies have been written, to make them more "inclusive" and make the atypical feel "seen"

[@fallenkingdom-zd8xh]

“I hope it was a blast for them, because it was definitely a blasphemy.” -Keith Foskey

[@____kept]

That gave me a chuckle!

[@_K1YA]

Reading the title alone made my stomach turn. I hate the fact that this idea was even introduced to my mind. I don’t even deserve any type of worship from animals let alone from the magnificent BEING that created the heavens and universe so beautifully and effortlessly. He alone deserves worship. No one else.

[@AboveW]

Amen, I don't even want compliments or it would make me prideful, I'd rather take insults all my life and a simple "Good job my son" from God would make it all worth it. A simple smile from God would make everything worth it, He doesn't even have to say anything. The idea that this man thinks that God worships us makes me sick. No one should worship me, let alone The Creator of The Universe.

[@FamilyManMotley]

I was going down a path similar to this. My beliefs were very new age. I had even gotten to the point that during a discussion with my best friend about the Bible I actually told him that the Bible isn't worth the paper it's written on, it's only use to me is as T.P. It wasn't until I moved away from all the negative sinful people in my life that I started to see the error in ways. My girlfriend (now wife) found a church and asked me to go once a month to take care of the kids while she volunteered. I reluctantly agreed. Over the next few years I went through the motions but slowly started feeling moved. I started going more and more. I started attending Bible study on a weekly basis. It was the pastor at that church that recommended I watch this KZbin page. Finally after a number of years, I publicly gave my life to Christ and was baptized.

[@DaveGIS123]

There are two options: Either people will hear the Word of God and respond positively, and be saved, OR they will reject the Word of God and be condemned. Option 1: Jesus said "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." (John 5: 24). Option 2: Jesus also said "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day." (John 12: 48). I'm glad you've chosen well.

[@mexico7662]

What about your youtube name? I recommend to change it.

[@dandelion1239]

@@mexico7662I noticed that too. It would be a good thing to change that so others can see that he is really a changed man bc of Jesus.

[@FamilyManMotley]

@@mexico7662 I forgot about that. I've had this account since KZbin started. I'll see if it can be changed.

[@FamilyManMotley]

@@mexico7662 Thanks for the heads up. Like I said, I forgot that was even my name here.

[@azure-sparrow]

“The chief danger of the 20th century will be religion without the Holy Spirit, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, and heaven without hell.” - William Booth

[@DiscoverJesus]

A true Prophet

[@oirampeceda2409]

And it gets worse in the 21st...

[@monamarie1984]

Dang he called it

[@RhoDesia-gr1wb]

Can't get over that "Christianity without Christ" bit of that quote. Sums up western countries (and others, I'm sure) downfall to a tee IMO.

[@J-Hue]

Christianity never had the holy spirit and never actually followed Christ, so effectively he wasn't saying much that wasn't already the case. The words themselves are reasonable though.

[@beautifulday353]

My spirit is so disturbed by this. May God outpour the spirit of correction.

[@benjaminthe1st]

I have tagged Jermell on his Facebook page. I haven't spoken to him in years but have known him for about 15 years. Thank you for unpacking this blasphemous message and not turning off the comments on your post unlike the original "message from the pit."

[@ChaneyDee]

He seems very "off" to me... his dress/pants/style. Besides what he's saying he seems effeminate.

[@IpponQing]

@@ChaneyDee very effeminate. He has so much sugar in his tank he shouldn’t even be allowed on the pulpit to speak, he should be repenting.

[@amyk87]

My husband and I watched this during lunch, shaking our heads. But at the end, my husband looked at me and said, “Wow, Pastor Mike really wrapped that up in a loving way. He really has a heart for people.” I agree. Thank you, Pastor Mike, for doing the Lord’s work in love and truth.

[@daughter_of_yeshua]

Pastor Mike is the real deal pastor!

[@snowberriesx]

Truly!

[@rebekahearly1144]

Could not agree more. Grace and truth demonstrated so well.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

I'm pretty sure God won't have the same rection.

[@hminchella7423]

So well said.

[@melsabatini3892]

This sickened me to the pit of my stomach. I couldn't finish watching it. The things this man says just revolted me so much.

[@TT-ko9pn]

I watched this from beginning to end. This was so informative and you did a great job of revealing the lies of the enemy. You did this with so much grace and took time to break down Jerrnell's perspective rather than just declaring it all lies (even though it is). I'm just starting to learn about progressive "theology" because the other day I had someone approach me and ask me if I know about the "mother god". I had a discussion with them and backed up all my statements with scripture. I noticed that every time they made a statement, they would say things like "In my opinion, this scripture means..." instead of just stating what the scripture is actually saying. Everything they were saying was a misinterpretation of scripture. But we must understand how they are misinterpreting the scripture, so we know how to correct them when they misinterpret the scripture. That's why I appreciate your video so much, I learned a lot! God is coming back very soon. His time is not our time, he sees and knows our end. I just pray that everyone can give their life to God before it is too late.

[@lilacicecream]

People also want to imply the Holy Spirit is female. This annoys and upsets me.. .

[@guyseabrook3735]

To borrow a quote; That's not a Church, that's a goat farm.

[@mweber5459]

My friend has a goat farm…this is worse

[@taraellis8279]

@@mweber5459 any screaming goats?

[@jaden_skywalker]

I'm going to borrow that.

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

Yeah. I have a goat farm too. This IS worse! My goodness. I like the allegory, though.

[@Rhonda_Maldonado_61824]

My neighbors have goats that play by jumping on a trampoline in the backyard. It's cute and funny. This guy's "sermon" is anything but funny.

[@jparkst2023]

I choked when he said, "Worship has become too God-focused". The word "worship" in Hebrew literally means to bow before a ruler. When we worship God, it is ALL focused on Him!!! One of my favorite scriptures is Psalms 29:2, "Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness." It is our obligation to give Him worship, and it's not oppressive because He's simply so worthy of it!

[@jaden_skywalker]

Yeah what else is worship supposed to be about?

[@stacy1857]

It's part of why We were created. Same thing the Fallen was made for... thats why he hates us so much.

[@michaelkern8022]

​@@jaden_skywalkerClearly you missed the point of the whole sermon! /s

[@courageagbeyebiawo4104]

@@michaelkern8022 please clarify it for us and let us know how we missed the point of this blasphemous message?

[@michaelkern8022]

@@courageagbeyebiawo4104 '/s' is a textual indicator for sarcasm. I wholeheartedly agreed with the comment I was replying to.

[@sharonlouise9759]

Great message! Made me think of Acts 12:21-23: "And on an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel, took his seat on the rostrum and began delivering an address to them. And the people kept crying out, “The voice of a god and not of a man!” And immediately an angel of the Lord struck him because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and died." Very dangerous territory to even speak in such ways.

[@leroy4521]

I thank God that He protects me through knowledge. I pray God punishes him to repentance. He is on a dangerous journey.

[@kayplennert1806]

Oh my goodness! I have almost never called someone a heretic, but this person is frightening in his heresy. I am enjoying YOUR teachings, it sounds honest and Christ following. I pray that listening to you helps me worship and follow God better. Blessings.

[@bloodandfireministries2583]

My spirit was deeply grieved to even have these thoughts/words enter into my mind! The fear of God fell upon me just listening to these words!

[@chenelsonestiverne7233]

Wait ti you read the gen-z bible where it address God as the top g when clearly top g meant gangster, criminals, thug and violence.

[@renitahudgins1034]

@bloodandfireministries2583 🥺me too!.. I cringed😖 when he said that… it was like nails scrapping on a chalkboard to my soul!!

[@callingallhandsondeck]

That's exactly how I felt. Thanks, for putting it into words.

[@melissapryor7808]

Right!? It feels so gross!

[@KingKreation]

Instantly as soon as I heard the first little snippet the Holy Ghost started to grieved; to even hear such disgusting and degrading things being said about my Father who not only created me this earth and everything on it outside of it in it both seen and unseen known and unknown by another piece of nothing (because I know that I am absolutely nothing without God) it hurts so deeply so sorrowfully i can’t listen to the rest I’m only 3mins 22sec in and honestly it’s 3mins 22sec too long I love you all and please pray for all of those lost sheep😢

[@andrelgospel3029]

I’ve never seen such a clear depiction of Romans 1. Someone who worshipped the creation more than the creator, someone who is a lover of them selves and who has been consequently turned over to their own way! Wow!

[@Imissnormal]

I am blown away by the complete lack of humility in his message.

[@andrelgospel3029]

@@Imissnormal yeah it would be unbelievable if I didn’t see it myself

[@GlenLaConey]

🥇👏👏👏👏👏

[@faithhopelara]

11 minutes in and I subscribed. I watched the whole thing. You have a way of explaining that is shown with compassion and grace while also calling out truth. This is a great way to explain the progressive ideology of self-worship and how problematic it is when people pick things out of the bible to fit their own narrative, rather than what it is actually about.

[@michaeldjguardianmeans6281]

“Because God has some “fetish” with blood.” Sheesh! Felt like Satan directly speaking through that guy right at that point.

[@noneofya6503]

This whole thing is spoken by Satan

[@Agg1E91]

"...at any rate...This is garbage." Amen, brother.

[@TimothyNyota]

at any rate😂

[@MP15aug]

Anyone that goes to that church has never read the Bible.

[@mavrk.d]

Anyone who stays in that church after this too

[@Andreamom001]

Well, never understood what they were reading, anyway.

[@buhrochem]

It's in Bellevue Washington. It's a town that's big tech.....I doubt that those young people who live there have knowledge of the scriptures. Pity they are being deceived.Really sad!

[@SamuelDiaz21]

Why do they even call themselves Christians at this point?

[@Zookeeper501]

These same people are the same who murdered Jesus and all the prophets. Their end is near. Take care of yourself, read your bible, pray, practice listening to the Holy Spirit, He is a mighty teacher. This is just like me saying drink water, exercise, and eat your veggetables. Love@@Andreamom001

[@michaeldjguardianmeans6281]

“This is super saiyan Satanism” Mike with them bars again!

[@alinasanders6169]

I cant even wath this blasphemy wow ..thank u brother for raising awareness 😢

[@jmsimcic]

The man who claims that God worships us was literally hissing, almost like a subconscious manifestation of the serpent himself.

[@thereseservais924]

Yes. I felt exactly the same. The devil wishes so bad to be worshiped and takes so many people he can in his narcissistic trip. He even tried it with Jesus Himself!. He began already in Eden with his creepy "preaching". "What if...?". Those words are his signature. He's still showing up, again and again, but is already defeated. Glory to the Lamb and to God Almighty! Have a blessed day.

[@saulspeaks2557]

​@@thereseservais924 Amen!!!

[@dessnatazha]

Honestly his whole video is grossing me out to the point I'd be surprised if he isn't possessed.

[@Zookeeper501]

It was hard to watch, but it is good the enemy puts himself out there. In war one should know their enemy, their actually making it pretty easy to get to know. Its pride, they want to be like god's and live forever in their fairytale transhuman, brain chipping, lives on planet mars. Well, all their hope is in vain, they labor in vain, they store all their wealth in vain. They will never be satiated in eternal tormition. Got Jesus?Thank you@@dessnatazha

[@slomorrison814]

I heard it too 😔

[@timfinch7857]

I attend a very small church. About a month ago, our pastor was not able to attend and asked a brother outside of our church (not a pastor) to speak in his place. This brother said 3x in his message that "God worships us." This grieved me tremendously and so I confronted our pastor about this and encouraged him to speak to this brother, ask him what he meant when he said that and to gently "set him straight." The church in America is in so much trouble...

[@aleithiatoews6452]

You have a lot more restraint than I have (maybe even too much). I would have stood up and called him out there and then.

[@sarahjesusisgod]

@@aleithiatoews6452the deacons should have asked him to leave then and there. I’m glad there are people like you that would confront him.

[@gareth2736]

What did he mean by that and where did he get it from? Is this a US Christianity distortion or do people in other countries say something similar. I've never heard it in the UK and I have Christian friends with far more (theologically) liberal views than mine.

[@timfinch7857]

@@aleithiatoews6452 I was waiting for a deacon to call him out but it did not happen. In hindsight yes, I should have called him out. My pastor was going to talk to the speaker's pastor about this.

[@timfinch7857]

@@gareth2736 I think he was trying to emphasize how much God loves us but obviously went way too far. The statement "God worships us" is blasphemous and should never come out of a believers mouth.

[@missx4493]

Not sure, if the video was ended too soon, but the clapping at the end, that sounded like there were maybe five people, was a little comforting. I was left with a hope, that the "church" was almost empty, when he held his self-worship-speech.

[@paulsimpson3113]

I know my heart and my actions, i don't want to meet a person, let alone a god that finds me worthy of worship. It is the wonder of the universe that God even acknowledges me, let alone saves me

[@lilacicecream]

Hollywood people are worshiped, and they look at what has happened to them and the whole industry.

[@eclipsesonic]

Psalm 115:1 - "Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake."

[@lkae4]

I've often wondered how narcissism hasn't turned civilization to ash and dust already. It's trying. It's very close.

[@ExtraVictory]

No it's not lmao. We are, and I do stress this, _absolutely_ nowhere close to societal collapse. Lmao. Civilization has, quite literally, never been better. freedom is up, prosperity is up, quality of life is up, war is down (yes even with Ukraine & Gaza there is less war than ever,) lifespans are up, violent crime is down, and there are multiple redundant layers of protection globally to insure against any kind of major catastrophe. Do you have any idea how miserable life was, even for the kings & conquerors of the past? How few technological, mechanical, & computational protections their societies had, Compared to now? I guess you just overlook all that when you're hoping the world ends any day now lmao

[@colorsflight6432]

God. That is the the ultimate proof of God, lol that everything some how works every day.

[@nikkisigmon8090]

It already has- God limited human lifespan bc of it.

[@lordramuel1082]

It's happened hundreds of times to multiple civilizations.

[@KaiserNightcoreMusic]

@@colorsflight6432It's God's Karma programming at it's finest.

[@emilywhitney1739]

I heard him ask the audience to question out loud if God worshiped them and I felt every fiber of my being scream “No!!!” this shows how important it is to be in God’s word and know what it actually says so you know how to respond when someone likes this twists it. Just as Jesus knew the scriptures and was able to combat the lies of satan in the desert. Know the Bible, know God’s truth cause his is the only truth that is really true and that should matter to us as Christians. We are to deny ourselves (including “our truth”) and follow him. We are to focus on God not ourselves. “Then he said to them all, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭9‬:‭23‬ ‭CSB‬‬ “Calling the crowd along with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭8‬:‭34‬ ‭CSB‬‬ “Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭24‬ ‭CSB‬‬ “Jesus turned and told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns but human concerns.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭23‬ ‭CSB‬‬

[@raquelanderson6722]

I was trying to figure out at first if it was a male or female..then I starting listening. I only made it thru video because you were doing a review.

[@mamasadembou3604]

Every time he said “what if God worships me?” I had a physical reaction; my body shook! I can’t believe someone could utter those words and mean them!

[@forwardsdrawkcab]

Well, after watching some Kenneth Copeland footage nothing really shocks me anymore.

[@traceydumase]

I've noticed these LGBTQIA+ "pastors" have the most outlandish interpretations of who God is and what His word says.

[@amyqb117]

@@traceydumasethey get high on constant shock value.

[@ih82r8]

Same. I felt sick to my stomach hearing that.

[@dexterwestin3747]

I chuckled a little and then felt sorry for the man because what could we have or be that would compel any being to have an inclination to worship us? It is just so absurd to be almost laughable if there weren't sobering consequences for leading a flock astray.

[@noahwagoner7650]

It is a testament to the true mercy of our God that the building they are in does not collapse and kill everyone inside. Praise to Him for his patience and mercy.

[@Rebekah...]

allll of what you just said 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@Hagar-yn8jm]

Truly! 🙌🏼

[@beholdtheworld8900]

200% 😩😩😩🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@dariusshabaiash3861]

Wanting for violence and harm.. not very Christian..

[@stephaniewelch825]

Right?!

[@joshflorence1998]

This felt demonic in my spirit...

[@SevScribbles]

I liked the video for the Mike Winger coined term of "Super Saiyan Satanism" 😭😂 love when you throw in humor

[@macdaddyp8437]

Jernel is lost and needs our prayers. HE worships his father the devil.

[@donna3675]

My advice to Jernel is 1. REPENT!!! and 2. Avoid going out during electrical storms⚡️⚡️⚡️

[@ChaneyDee]

I'm really not trying to be offensive... but I don't understand why everyone is so disappointed in the message he is teaching/preaching when he's of the LGBTQ community. I'm sure there are a lot of things that he teaches that will not align with biblical doctrine.

[@annikaelisaa1879]

Be right back, I need to look for my jaw that just dropped on the floor.

[@cogforreal5952]

😂

[@jonathananthony408]

😂😂

[@sahahaah427]

Blasphemy is one of those things that when it happens the way it makes my gut feel is the only thing I need to understand it

[@ReigningWomban]

I can’t even imagine asking, expecting, or desiring God to worship me. 😵‍💫

[@ToddHuffRev]

What on earth is this heresy? if God worships us, then we are all in big trouble.

[@user-uo1rc7kt4k]

Then his "god" is an idolatrous being. Narcissistic self-worship. This is Thelemic Ordo Templi Orientis Narcissistic self-worship. Utter blasphemy!

[@TimothyC.84]

The devil always has something.

[@Bethoflife]

We're to worship Him ; not the other way around. His perfect love is ample.

[@AboveW]

Amen my brother in Christ, His love is more than enough. Anyone's worship is not needed, why would our perfect God even worship sinner (that have been changed) like us.

[@valentinamorales2403]

I listing while I take care of my elderly mother in law the hole time I was like What? Like we say in the hood it's bad in these streets. I pray for those who struggle with sin specially mine that always knocking on my door,but if it wasn't for Jesus snatching out of the fire from false doctrine, I'm just grateful for his loving kindness for people like you and fighting for the faith and pirate show that I started truly to the scripture and I'm free thank you

[@jacobsroom12]

Literally made me sick to my stomach.

[@maryhumphrey2236]

Me too. And I could not watch all of it.

[@korab.23]

Yes. I did not expect to feel it as much as I did. Believing that message will draw demons to you.

[@allenfilip]

I like how Pr Mike said this is Satanism in its final form! Super Saiyan Satanism! 😂

[@Snow-Willow]

Nah, that'd be Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Satanism. 😂 (we've moved so far beyond Super Saiyan now, it's crazy.)

[@pastorblake]

I was going to say the same thing. Lol.

[@elishaj2977]

@@Snow-Willow I was thinking more along the lines of Mastered Ultra Instinct Satanism, but that works too XD.

[@dandelion1239]

What is Saiyan satanism? I haven’t heard that term before.

[@rebeccabrown8908]

@@dandelion1239 It's a Dragonball Z reference Pastor Mike was making as a joke. The main characters from the series are warriors from an alien race called Saiyans, and when they get extra powered up their hair changes color and they're called Super Saiyan. It's like leveling up to a stronger, more exaggerated version of themselves so they can do more damage in battle. That's the simplest way I know to explain it. 😁

[@alyssambailey]

“My truth…” Me: 🚪 🏃🏽‍♀️ 💨

[@batonrougemusiciansacademy4935]

Lord have mercy on Jermal and the people listening to him. Give him an encounter with the truth that shatters the sin and darkness in his and their lives and minds.

[@mslnie]

Wow. This is horrific and so incredibly evil. Lord Jesus, open their eyes to see and ears to hear. Thanks, Pastor Mike, for preaching the truth. This man saying such blasphemous stuff is so delusional. It is very sad.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@msinie: Agree, that God can open the eyes of the members of this church. Humans have always been attracted to, or vulnerable to, what makes them feel good. Humans have favored the easy path. Job is an example of the path all Christians should be on. Our beliefs and actions should be rooted in scripture.

[@Anabee3]

Right? It's like every bit of blasphemy, woke-ism & even thoughts we've not even thought to think all in one speech. Pastor Winger could take down every warning he's ever issued and simply show THIS instead.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Next level self obsession

[@donna3675]

100%🤯🤯🤯

[@angeleyes3396]

I mean got separated language because man was trying to elevate themselves to the heavens by building a tower.

[@carlosnader7202]

Ouch, when you said we often brag about the wrong we do as a way of dealing with it. That hurt 😂, I needed to hear that, thank you 🙏

[@DrSallyB]

THE GUITAR!!! Aggghhh I do love thee, my brother, loooool. God Bless you and your ministry, pastor Mike. ♥️🙏✝️

[@bluestar8700]

This is what it all has led up to. And the people in the crowd eating this up with “wows” and “amens”… This is it, folks.

[@buhrochem]

It's Bellevue. If you've ever been there you wouldn't be surprised. Lot of young techie people.

[@arunamy362]

This sums it all up: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have [b]their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

[@ChrissyGotTheCoils]

💯

[@katywolffis7678]

I think I have a headache from banging my head against a wall listening to this. Whew. What a twisting of the truth.

[@JMarie-th8xe]

Yes.

[@elishh8173]

This is so scary. I had NEVER in my whole life had such a thought? That's insane.

[@shannonl8602]

I detest preachers saying, “repeat after me”. I refuse to speak something when I don’t know what I’m about to say. I wish they would all just stop this practice.

[@ActWithUnderstanding]

I agree. I have yet to find one that doesn't do that at some point or another. All words should be your own thoughts out of your own will to speak. Even if someone has decided to become a Christian. You can teach and explain to them what is required. But, it should end there, and the person should speak and say whatever comes from their own heart. Then, they should be encouraged to read the bible cover to cover and study to find their own language and understanding. Leading people to say another person's words is dangerous, in my opinion.

[@loreanrivera9895]

just listen and then decide to repeat

[@cynthiatucker2147]

When the pastor said today “repeat after me” it was “bless the Lord O my soul and all that is within me bless His holy name”. That was fine.

[@beansy68]

O my goodness...! The "repeat after me" directive...Manipulate much? Ugh

[@msdixie1972]

Worship isn’t what changes us. Sanctification by the Holy Spirit and obedience is what changes us! Worship is not a mirror that bounces back anything to us! What in the world. Mike - love you and SO glad you’ve done this video. I’m only 11 mins in… but I can’t watch another second of this guy. KEEP GOING, Mike!!!! ❤😢👏🏽

[@mutestingray]

It’s one thing to recognize how mind-blowing merciful and good God is in that He desires for His life to be in us. I think to Saint Athanasius’ (often misunderstood) quote of “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God”. However, ‘become’ can better be understood as _like_ God or to participate in God’s Divine Life. That’s what Christ calls us to. In a way, I get it. I think if people understood the immensity of that gift, myself included, they would treat themselves truly as temples of the Holy Spirit. How wonderful God has made us. But that’s a very fine line to walk. At what point do we go from immense gratitude (worship of God) to delusional self-importance (worship of self) like we are the source of any of it?

[@Crikey420]

⁠@@mutestingrayJesus Christ did make it possible for us to become like God. Joint-heirs with Christ and all the blessings of heaven for those that love God. The scriptures are crystal clear about this. I do believe in God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ who want us to become like them. Only Satan thinks in terms of self worship and power. Through Jesus Christ we can have Eternal Life, which is the life our Father in heaven lives. What father does not want their children to mature and succeed and reach their full potential? Such is the love of the Father that he has made this possible through our Saviour Jesus Christ. This is our destiny as children of our Heavenly Father. John 20:17 “… I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

[@coachmarc2002]

@@Crikey420 you are speaking like the people formerly known as Mormons. They strive to be exalted to Godhood themselves. Their God was once a man like us and became a God like His God before Him. The charge that we should be "like" God in scripture is not the like of becoming the same as God in the nature of His divinity but being like Him (perfect) in His morality and loving character. Matthew 5:48 We can't accomplish that but it should be the goal.

[@fletcher0411]

Perfect example of "His truth" vs "THE truth"

[@sharonkaseweter8506]

two things Mr. Winger… Neither is a small thing in my opinion! I cannot thank you enough for the immense maturity that you display in the face of this absolute total disregard for the word of God ..WORD ,that word! thank you for saying what I absolutely need to hear at the same time can’t stomach the purpose for which you’re having to speak such things! secondly I have a big peeve. I wouldn’t even call it a pet. My pets are all precious. The peeve I have is how patronizingly condescending this person is speaking to grown people in his presence.… And the fact that they’re still sitting there, allowing such treatment! As always, you are spot on and refreshing! It’s stretches me to be in the confines of your painstaking, long suffering, endeavor of exposure of the false ones I pray this blesses you ,you have blessed me

[@UmamiPapi]

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - 2 Timothy 4:3

[@JustAnElderscroll]

I want to apologize for any nasty things i have said to you Mike Winger. Going from atheist to pagan and after watching you for awhile and reading the bible i can proudly say i believe now. Thanks for being a part in my soul being saved.

[@rickyrain7773]

Fellow elder scrolls bro?

[@chadocarroll2801]

I just have to say Mike. I appreciate how you can listen to this guy and get to the root of what he is saying and what it means. Then explain it. When I listen to him my brain just is sort of shocked into shut down mode. It is so ridiculous that I just can not even begin to understand it as comprehensive communication. So thank -you for walking us through just how dangerous and wrong this kind of language and ideology is.

[@robynmarler1951]

🎖

[@JMarie-th8xe]

Exactly. I don't want to hear it. I had to turn the volume off.

[@caligirl4514]

Thanks so much for teaching the truth and using discernment it is a gift from God!! So many Pastors are leading people straight to hell! Have mercy on America, oh Lord we pray, in Jesus name!!! Praying for you and your family!!! :0)

[@seansimpson1133]

Hearing the person in the background say “wooooow” is truly frightening. I pray God would open their eyes to this false teaching.

[@sarahfaith316]

My eyebrows got a workout on this one. 🤨😒😖Unbelievable. I don’t think I could have tolerated watching it without MW sitting there to keep me sane. Wow. 🥴

[@angeleyes3396]

I would have walked out. I’ve walked out of churches where the pastor grandize or when I hear false teachings.

[@garyragin9966]

Run Forest Run 🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️

[@MimaHope]

Hi Pastor ~ Thank you for your commentary on this message. There is some scary doctrine out there.

[@LT_FlipG]

I think sometimes we don’t recognize how funny Mike actually is “Super Saiyan satanism” honestly killed me😂

[@TamikaMichelle]

I had to pause to laugh lmao😂😂😂

[@Psa22-6]

I had just started DBZ again and i lost it when he said it

[@Ravens_and_Lilies14]

The occasional LOtR references always gets me, I never thought to hear him drop something from DBZ.

[@sherrycortese5856]

45 seconds in & hearing that guy gave me a pain in my heart.

[@LCP_452]

My 10yr old son was overhearing, and even he was shocked. The thought of the poor people who are being taught this and are going to believe this is heartbreaking.

[@donna3675]

This made me angry. I guess I’m not as evolved as the people of the comment section. This is an OUTRAGE.

[@sherrycortese5856]

@donna3675 I'm right there with you. The exclamations of approval from the audience angered me also. Then I remember how deluded I was from faith teachers & pray that God gives me discernment.

[@mylesshelby8052]

My guy said “Super Saiyan Satanism”! You just won a subscriber, sir.

[@worshipwander]

😳😢😢😢 How sad and OUTRAGEOUS that he has twisted scripture, is preaching a false gospel, and contorted beautiful lyrics in such a way. I hope this Jermel guy comes to his senses(It's not about us, sir...it's about JESUS!!!) I agree with you, Mike... this is narcissistic behavior and blasphemous. Thank you for using your platform to debunk the lies. Thank you for rightfully dividing truth. This is why sound doctrine is soooo important!! This is why the word tells us to beware of false teachers and prophets... they out there doing the absolute most, and bold with it. I CAN'T BELIEVE this guy has a following and has folks in the congregation co-signing this message...what a mess. 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@violet.r7286]

Satanism is not the direct worship of satan... Satanism is the exaltation and worship of SELF. If anyone is struggling to understand WHY the vast majority of these woke ideals are actually evil at their core (though many have a thin candy-coated shell presenting as 'virtuous')-- Congratulations cuz you are in the right place! This video is a master class on precisely why these ideals are evil at their core. Self-exaltation is the sin of pride for which lucifer was cast out of heaven. I have often wondered what he could have said to those other angels to convince them to follow him, to fall... (and since we are in the space of what-if's...🤭) I wonder if, perhaps, it sounded quite similar to this man's message of self worship?

[@SahmKarla]

You have good commentary. 😊

[@Barry-LeePace]

As an ex-satanist back in the late 80's and 90's I confirm that our core tenant was that we were our own gods.

[@pkmcnett5649]

Disagree. Satanism is both.

[@lookingatdaisies9901]

Yh he probably told them, "you will be like God",

[@markdavidson7941]

Mike, you are at your best when you are breaking down errors while maintaining a voice full of care, compassion, AND correction for those who might be (or have been) affected by this kind of grave error. It would be so easy to dismiss church leaders or the ideas they express with scoffing or laughter. I appreciate your completeness and handling these topics. It serves as an example to all of us in your preparation (by knowing the Bible) and presentation (by knowing your potential listeners) God Bless you deeply for your handling these serious deviations from His word and character.

[@angelahale11]

What's sad is this was basically the gist of the womens conference I just went to. "How do we inherit the blessings that are waiting for us?" It's all the same thing. Gnostic affirmations.

[@yellowcoat970]

"The chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever" - Westminster Catechism

[@bertram9852]

The number of “churches” that peddle this kind of mess is astounding. God help us.

[@JGeMcL]

As someone who was a praise singer for years, it hurts so much to hear worship songs that i love to sing get twisted and violated in that way.

[@TodaysDiscipIe]

So thankful for your ministry Pastor. What a blessing this current generation has in being able to have SOUND theology at the tips of their finger. May God direct their hearts and their minds.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

There is something profoundly unsettling about believing that God worships me and then to also include that I myself am a god or are God. We’ve known for a long time that Satan has infiltrated and twisted the church, and now we are listening to the very same ideology that led to his fall. These are the very same things Lucifer believed before God cast him out. God does see me. He does care. If he did not I would never have found my way into his accepting embrace. The most horrible thing is spending your days believing you are not worth love, that everything you do is just failure. Then to pile sin and shame on top of it? How does one reconcile with themself? God was the only one who made sense. The message of love, hope, and redemption kept me around. Did it keep depression away? Did it keep sorrow from my heart? No, but I took to trusting God that these things, this suffering in life, was Him molding me into the person He wants me to be to serve Him and those around me. Why should I be worshiped when it was God who brought me to light?

[@terraloft]

This is like watching a staged performance before the idol of self

[@amyqb117]

Exactly!

[@sandratagaban5541]

I was in a church where the Pastor had the congregation say "repeat after me" prayers. One time he said, "God I forgive you." We were supposed to repeat that. I did not and left the church soon after as this was one of many things that came from the pulpit that I could not abide by. It was like having a limb removed. I had been in this church for 15 years before this guy showed up. My heart was broken.

[@sarahmoffett1296]

That's horrible. I also went to a church that the pastor did repeat after me prayers. He would say "I return every curse to the sending" Essentially sending curses to others!! I never repeated this but most went right along with it without thinking. I don't find anywhere that Christians should be cursing anyone, not even their enemies, not even those that curse us. We are to pray for them and love them.

[@gareth2736]

I've never heard "God worships us" preached. I have heard forgiving God talked about. It was in the context (I understood anyway) of no longer blaming God for a situation where someone felt he had let them down rather than God had objectively sinned (which was acknowledged as impossible). I am sort of getting what that means (and understand it more as a phsycological/processing tool to move on from the past) but think there must be far better ways of doing this rather than pretending something that is objectively not true.

[@user-oo9fc9pu7n]

I went through the same thing. It was my home

[@GracefulCosmos]

It should be "God forgive ME for being hardened toward YOU" no way can anyone explain this and think "I get what you mean" and will repeat that sentence.

[@gareth2736]

@GracefulCosmos there is biblical precedent for expressing real anger towards God, even voicing that we feel he has been unfair to us (rather than having to hide our feelings from him) like you say though the ultimate resolution isn't us forgiving God but repenting our wrong view or at least being prepared to settle into trust despite the mystery.

[@ChristFollower1981]

The “repeat after me” in WOF churches is a thought stopping process - a process taught by Oral Roberts decades ago. WOF is also big on repeating “mantras” immediately following the 15-30 minute “tithes/offering teaching” and right before taking tithes/offerings. Mind control. We need to pray for these false teachers and their followers that they repent and surrender their lives to Jesus Christ. 🙏🏻✝️ God bless you Mike for exposing and educating us!✝️✝️✝️

[@MichelleM33810]

When he said what if God worships me, I felt physically sick to my stomach.