Mindset, Health, And Life | Dr. Ellen Langer | EP 381

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and “The mother of mindfulness,” Dr. Ellen Langer discuss her latest book, The Mindful Body: Thinking Our Way To Chronic Health. From this they explore how intentioned awareness paired with humility allows for a healthier mindset and body, how the perception of time impacts the effects of disease and age, the way to view tragedy and suffering so that we may conquer it through faith and hope, and the immense benefits found in carefully considering to what, where, and who you direct your attention.
Ellen J. Langer was the first woman to be tenured in psychology at Harvard, where she is still professor of psychology. The recipient of three Distinguished Scientists awards, the Arthur W. Staats Award for Unifying Psychology, a Guggenheim Fellowship, and the Liberty Science Genius Award, Dr. Langer is the author of eleven other books, including the international bestseller Mindfulness, as well as The Power of Mindful Learning, Counterclockwise and On Becoming an Artist. Her trailblazing experiments in social psychology have earned her inclusion in The New York Times Magazine’s “Year in Ideas” issue. She is known worldwide as the “mother of mindfulness” and the “mother of positive psychology”. She lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:03) Intro
(2:03) Mindfulness defined
(5:39) The role of art in subverting perception
(8:21) When you write about your future
(18:07) Willful exposure, maintaining novelty
(21:12) Is there a use for mindlessness?
(22:45) Two forms of reward, studies on mindfulness
(28:29) Be goal driven
(32:08) Don’t turn down singular opportunities
(38:24) What the Egyptians figured out
(40:37) Facing yourself, differing perspectives
(47:00) You must live with your contradictions
(48:50) Reconnecting mind and body
(52:08) The chambermaid study
(53:08) Wound healing study, perceived time
(54:30) The kidney and the pancreas
(58:13) The power of the mind to surpass bodily limits
(1:03:55) The arbitrary limitations we set on ourselves
(1:05:16) How long would you choose to live?
(1:07:47) The state of the university, how Harvard holds up
(1:16:50) Review committees place current sensitivities over science
(1:22:17) Cost/benefit analysis in research
(1:26:06) How those suffering can take responsibility
(1:31:09) Suffering and the book of Job
(1:33:02) Assuming your worst fears are correct…
(1:35:49) Narrow your time frame
(1:37:21) The borderlines in diagnoses
(1:40:28) A placebo for depression?
(1:44:33) No one is one way all of the time
(1:48:00) The importance of coming to your own conclusion
(1:51:41) The vast difference in minor perceptions
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[@lindamiles655]

I am a 77yo psychotherapist and have followed Dr.Langer since the 1970’s. Love her brilliance and energy. She is a role model for healthy aging.

[@mylittledreamer.9546]

😊

[@JoyfulJenn]

Thank you for your expertise!

[@sudosara]

"Rather than focusing on adding more years to our lives, we should focus on adding more life to our years" Brilliant quote

[@PixieTheLovableChihuahua]

Very wise~! :)

[@TYRONE_SHOELACES]

I saw a video of Jordan Peterson a year ago, THEN I looked up Jordan ... liked what I heard, then downloaded his books. I have been a drunk my whole life, to the point that I'm living alone in this 4 bedroom, 2-bath house all by myself here in Halifax. I have no friends unless they are drunks, I go to work just long enough to cover the basic bills, always threatened to be fired, I'm a pig, I live in squalled conditions, dirty dishes, clothes on the floor, sleeping in a lazy boy, smoking dope and getting drunk, neighbors hate me because I won't mow the lawn, won't clean up the front yard, just staying drunk and waiting to die .......thinking that being 64 years old is long enough to live. THAT was a year ago..... Since reading Jordan's books and of course watching every single dam video he uploads, I have not had a drink or done drugs this year. My house is spotless, my backyard has vegetables growing in it now, the deck is usable now, my blood pressure has gone down so far that for the first time in 9 years, I no longer take blood pressure pills. I mow my lawn AND my neighbors, just for the exercise. The woman across the street now comes over to "visit" me and only me. My son has moved in with me while he goes to trade school to better himself. I have not missed a day of work in one year, I received a promotion where I now teach my trade instead of perform my trade. My depression was that I'm going to die in debt... Jordan explained it and I adapted it to my life. I have one more year before I retire...I have "fixed up" my house and have been offered over $400,000 for it. When I sell it, I will pay off my line of credit, pay off my credit cards, and then I'm moving into my nephew's house that he inherited from his in laws and all he asks is that I take care of it till I'm dead, with $300,000 in my account ...debt free. I will have 4 pensions coming in, plus, my nephew said for me to take some of my money and build a small welding shop in the second garage and just make a few bucks on the side, keep me busy, I'm a red seal pipe welder. What got this all started was simply reading Jordan books, start off slow, don't take big bites, just take little bites at first and feel the feeling of accomplishment. Wash and wax that car, clean the interior, shampoo the rugs, and NOW I don't mind driving, getting out of the house. I bought a motorcycle this year, I bought a nice set of drums, I picked up a PA system, so friends with instruments that I met in counseling can now come over and jam in the basement. It's so simple the way Jordan explained it … But in the video, it's like he's yelling at me, it's like he KNOWS I can do it, I just need somebody to shit on me and remind me that I'm not broke, I'm just bent ...and he can HELP ME straighten out ... and it worked .... Jordan said ... GO TO WORK ... establish a ritual in my life, go to work every day, FIND A WOMAN ... don't be alone, TELL THE TRUTH ... my friend called and said, why don't you come over anymore … I said … Because you're a drunk, and you shit on your wife for no reason ...people don't gravitate towards people like you ... people gravitate to people like ME .... GOD, that felt good. I'm academically educated, but now I listen to people as if THEY are smarter than me, let them make their complete point and don't interrupt them … Then debate what was said, so respectful when I do it Jordan's way ..... I think now, before I speak, I used to be called "The guy that thinks out loud" … Not anymore ...but without sounding like I'm listening from my throne. I offered to take my older neighbors dog for a walk just to get me out of the house, because Jordan said to "get out" .. No matter how or why, but get out and get out of the house often...my ritual now is, every day, even if it's only for 10 minutes, I take my neighbor's dog for a walk, at least until he pees and poops. My clothes are changed daily, I never leave the house without a shower and a proper shave, I get my hair cut every 5 weeks, I buy new clothes every month, I owned one suit that I purchased in 2008, now I own 4. The first time I wore a suit out for lunch, my friend said " My, don't you clean up well" .... and that was the incentive to buy another suit. Jordan said if you do something for 21 days straight, without ever forgetting, it will become habit and that is so true. I was always late for work because I didn't care, but now I make it a point to be early, for 2 reasons, it's a sign of respect towards your employer and it is always safer to be " under the radar " at your job. I blamed my problems on my wife leaving me, but now I see that I am responsible for my own life, I can waste it or fulfill it...I choose the latter. Furthermore, I don't even curse anymore, because somewhere's on my road to fulfillment, someone said to me " a person curses because they know no other adjectives " I must admit, at first I had to have a dictionary beside me while listening or reading Jordan Peterson talk ...some of those 5 syllable words really were over my head, but that is what a dictionary is for.

[@marionkinuthia5626]

😢😢😢Well done your a hero just keep up and eating healthy .You made great change and I hv habit that I want to stop ..I want to be the better person for me !

[@nelan3334]

Wow! This was really inspiring to read! Thank you for sharing!

[@user-mi4xx2df1j]

My name is Inna T. After I read your testimony, I wanted to reach out and say that I’m very proud of you. Your story is inspiring and encouraging.

[@bholashrestha4182]

Sir, what a gripping and authentic articulation. It's an art. Will not your miraculous transition help many to find their lost life back.

[@silver1253]

48:20 the best thing I ever heard "if its a contradiction so be it we can live with contradiction until we accumulate enough wisdom to resolve them"

[@paulet990]

I've been dealing with grief, anxiety and depression due to the sudden and unexpected death of my twin sister. I retired a year before she passed, in order to spend more time with her (she was severely depressed and had bi-polar, and was very lonely). So now I am trying to figure out my life from here as a 59-year-old retiree without her. This discussion gave me hope that I can work my way through and reinvent my life, and am not relegated to being overwhelmed by grief, anxiety, depression and a loss of meaning forever. Lots of good food for thought here.

[@damjanavativec210]

Your body can change your thoughts and your thoughts can change your body. They are working together. Just dont be alone

[@williamjoyce769]

Hey Im soo sorry for you loss... I've lost my Dad and my brother Nick when I was 10... we were super close but i cant even imagine losing my twin 😢😭 I hope you continue to fight to find the light in the world again... I'm quite sure that's what they would want us to do. LIke all of this its a little bitter-sweet; but I've taken great great comfort and peace from Both my Dad & Nick visiting in my dreams (quite often especially @ right after their death) So I just wanted to say- Ill say a prayer to Nick & Pops: ASk them to help your twin to find her way to the dreamscape so she can visit you and have a brief but heartning reunion. May you find ever more strength and life in your heart and in your spirit! Peace & Love & Feasts & Wealth & Health to you and all your loves! 💕✌🙇😇🥳🙏

[@paulet990]

@@williamjoyce769 You know how Jordan says that talking IS thinking? Well, without my twin to talk to, it's almost like I can't think! I am not alone -- my husband has been amazing and I have family nearby, but it is not the same. I'm so sorry for your loss so early in your life. Nobody talks about this kind of loss, nobody gets it until they experience it. I had no clue, and never even considered that I would live out the rest of my life without her. I do not seek to "contact" her, as it is expressly forbidden in the Bible and I believe chaotic spirits can seize on that and lead us astray. I firmly believe she is resting now, which she so sorely needed after decades of mental illness and then overmedication that left her a zombie. I have woken up in the middle of the night a few times since, with a feeling of elation. I believe that was some sort of glimpse into what she is experiencing now and what I have to look forward to after life. I take life a few hours at a time, and am thinking hard about Jordan's discussions about future authoring and aiming at goals.

[@Akashnow]

@paulet1990 you will regain a new energy.

[@braveministries8903]

Praying for ya 🙏

[@SimpleeYours]

Great synergy between Dr Peterson and Dr Ellen Langer. Dr Peterson has the firewood and Dr Langer has the fireplace. Together they produce a blazing lesson on mindfulness!

[@rachelbass7914]

Nice observation!!

[@hex1443]

I wonder if they ever banged

[@chianchen776]

@@Rocksteady246 Good writing, I see that you’re very intelligent and well educated, it would be wonderful if you lay out the criticisms regarding this specific video instead. We need your wisdom. The world can be a better place if you would spare sometime from repeating these comments everywhere, and make a video about it.

[@cseager3239]

Jordan peterson told people who think climate change is real (most of the world) to kill themselves? Why would anyone trust this lunatic as a clinical psychologist?

[@JenAniston69]

Do you believe it?

[@wrath8]

It's very refreshing and frankly more interesting to see you get back to your roots in psychology and take a break from all the political angst. Please pursue more discussions like this.

[@jeffreyJavad]

Lets debunk politics altogether

[@DrMarioMartinez]

@@jeffreyJavad It is a refreshing change.

[@77horizon77]

Fantastic 😍 conversation

[@gabrielsaenz4872]

Agree 1000 percent

[@hope4463]

I loved the invitation!

[@braddenr.4778]

Love you Dr. Peterson! You’ve helped me more than anyone in the world. For that I can never repay you🤝

[@dhimmigetwellsoonyatinarsi1342]

😊😊😊😊😊

[@nangulajosephine1449]

Same here 😊

[@yiguanas812]

But you can repay other people, which, surely, is still a beautiful thing.

[@Calcium620]

This is why Leon has Edwards is the most aesthetic man alive

[@dankp1755]

thank you is a type of repay even if not on the same level 👍🏻

[@davebarbadillo]

Dear Mr Peterson. Thank you for Exodus and all your brilliant talk shows. I am extermely grateful.

[@joellaserra]

Amen 🙏

[@mikefox1257]

Yes, sir. It's given me another spiritual pump to follow Jesus more and meditate on him more so, and start on a path of more knowledge and understanding. I didn't know I didn't understand so much. That makes common sense after they say it. It's beyond comprehension of how many people he has affected. He has to be one of the greatest positive influences in a long time.

[@BigWyatt]

With the state of the world today could yinz imagine if we didn’t have Doctor Peterson here to do these videos? The decay of the country would accelerate and overwhelm us and I’m not even kidding. Think of how many young people are struggling these days, and what society would become if they DID NOT have someone like Doctor Peterson.. I think we would be living in a much darker and crueler world.. Please don’t stop Doc. Just finished this latest video with your colleague I forget her name and can’t look (it will delete my comment, on mobile) but her story regarding the horse is beautiful.. weird how that works with stories like that where we end up hearing them at a very specific time in life that simply resonates on a deep level. God bless keep fighting the good fight!

[@cseager3239]

Do you guys believe in Harry Potter magic too or just Bible magic?

[@mikefox1257]

@@cseager3239 leave to an aethist to attack someone who isn't even judging. Comparing or fussing about anything. All we were saying is it's helps us so much. Instead of taking that for fact you try to insult. Really opens people eyes to your point of view let me tell ya.

[@jessiehall8929]

Love this! Brilliant! I was diagnosed with breast cancer last year(2022) I always said “they say” breast cancer. I made my treatment decisions with very little conversation with the doctors, but in great prayer with God. Once I took those steps I stopped further conversations with “them” about treatments and wait on God for further instructions. I have moments, I do still live in my flesh, but as God brings me through I put one foot in front of the other. I have always believed you have to get sick to appreciate feeling well. BTW..my mom is 6 years out from stage 4 colon cancer (stopped all treatment after 3 chemos, right before they were going to add radiation and my uncle is 20+ yrs out from less than 1yr to live and even cashed in life insurance. Doctors are not bad but they are also not God. Prayers of shalom and agape. ❤

[@PaperGrape]

God bless you

[@suziesmith2142]

On my doctors' files, in red letters, it says: "If found to be terminal, DO NOT GIVE A TIME FRAME or patient will sue you" 😊

[@christineperera2393]

I enjoyed listening to you Dr Peterson and it was good you challenged Ellen’s conclusions about CBT. Good for you!

[@little2nothingify]

1) Dr. Langer does a marvelous job of managing JP and his normal interuptions and keeping him well engaged (I believe the community would benefit from an analysis of their dialogue and some lessons learned). 2) the content (subject matter itself) has provided me a lot to consider and many things to apply in my own life. This conversation is fascinating and excellent to me from multiple angles.

[@little2nothingify]

I am not generally short on knowledge of what positive traits I need to improve, nor ignorant of obstacles to eliminate in my life‐ yet I still struggle with the progress I want. Combining that knowledge and my own effort, with some of the improved perspective suggestions offered here, I think will propel me positively forward at a faster rate. I now desire to focus some serious time and energy toward my attention and being much more mindful of the veriety of perspectives.

[@alexanderbean7737]

Agreed. I love Dr. Peterson but he does have a tendency to drift and digress, and Dr. Langer seems to be a great foil for him because she has a more direct way of getting at ideas. Makes for a very engaging discussion.

[@tonyforeman9502]

Yes, Dr Peterson is too ready to interrupt and not always as interesting as his guest.

[@MelHS-gr4lv]

some ridiculous kind of adverts in the videos WHAT ARE THEY smoking with that. rofl it is fricking crazy dude :D

[@zengletree]

I appreciate the way Jordan listens so attentively. So many people interviewing Ellen Langer talk over her. This is the first video where I have fully heard her responses. Great work.

[@coolvideos8019]

Ellen Langer is spot on 👍 Thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing her wisdom 🙏

[@maxdamagus]

Apart from the 1+1=2 nonsense. That is a literal red flag. Resist anyone who openly contradicts 2+2=4. It's more than a question of an equation, that is exactly what soviets had been attempting to do in the west, contradict logic, sow confusion, doubt in fundamental truth.

[@Phoenix_Core]

Boo

[@plfoo2782]

All these wonderful concepts and wisdom were taught by the Buddha more than 2500 years ago ❤

[@lindabonicelli6801]

You are such an amazing person, Dr. Peterson. I truly appreciate the time, effort, and sacrifice you have given to speak the truth for so many people! You are such an inspiration and role model of how those in your profession should behave. Thank you!

[@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql]

Dr Peterson, you made such positive impact in the lives of millions with your stellar scientific mind!!!

[@DrMarioMartinez]

@@Rocksteady246 Hi future friend, did you get anything out of the interview?

[@DrMarioMartinez]

@@Rocksteady246 Have you checked Dr. Jordan's impeccable credentials? He was honest in admitting how the power of benzodiazepines when in need for intense anxiety can be so overwhelming, even for a professional. But my point, can you gain any benefits from just listening to what Ellen Langer has to say?

[@chianchen776]

@@Rocksteady246Good writing, I see that you’re very intelligent and well educated, it would be wonderful if you lay out the criticisms regarding this specific video instead. We need your wisdom. The world can be a better place if you would spare sometime from repeating these comments everywhere, and make a video about it.

[@dotsdot5608]

just make sure you're not trans

[@Billy97ify]

@@Rocksteady246 I see you paste the exact same comments onto every JP video. How about linking evidence of your claims? BTW, prescribing medication is pretty well the standard of care in the psychology profession. JP has spoken about this.

[@andrewwillard5773]

"1 and 1 is 2" I remember learning in chemistry class how science also proves that not everything is as simple as math. When you had 50 mL of water in 50 mL of rubbing alcohol mixed together it comes up 5m short. The reason because the smaller atoms in the alcohol squeeze in between the water atoms. Learning this in eighth grade made a big impression on me 🤓

[@dotsdot5608]

volume is different but what about the mass? is it still the same?

[@saulgoodman8840]

​@dotsdot5608 well just like stated in the video 1 chewing up plus another chewing gum just makes 1 lump of chewing gum

[@3rdPartyIntervener]

@@saulgoodman8840 if you have one chicken, and your friend has one chicken, and you put both chickens into a 50-ton hydraulic press and squish them together, you don't have one chicken. You have a bloody mess. Which is what this kind of thinking leads to.

[@kekarthurthebastard226]

@@3rdPartyIntervener I’m testing this one out 🤔. Sound a little too “objective”. I feel like something positive could still happen if I tried it!

[@mehanyr]

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[@VivComments]

What a delightful conversation! "Add more life to your years." So true!

[@persesrathert8324]

I enjoyed her comment on that as well.

[@thingsandstufflikethat4451]

I don't often comment on videos but my God this was a really really fascinating and mind altering conversation! It really is such an unbelievable blessing that we have free and easy access to these sort of conversations that we can have playing in the background while we make breakfast. :D

[@vincentren9204]

You need to be playing this in the foreground while you make breakfast in the background

[@thingsandstufflikethat4451]

Ha ha that’s a nice reframe! Thanks for that Vincent! 😂

[@greenNRGinit]

Gee, I just had my breakfast and Dr Peterson and Ellen Langer for dessert 😊

[@MelHS-gr4lv]

Jesus. WHAT IS that fricking insanity abortion advert rofl keep it together people.

[@grooveline]

Dr. Langer is very good at getting quickly back on topic, an outstanding educator without the fluff.

[@liamc8729]

I was diagnosed as schizoaffective last week and this podcast gave me so much inspiration and hope. I lost my mother to pancreatic cancer at a young age, and she lived much longer than expected because she wanted for my siblings and I to remember her better. I only wish she could still be here so I could learn her secrets to mental toughness.

[@PaperGrape]

I knew a man who had devastating cancer. He lived much longer than expected... until just after his daughter's wedding! Love and hope are powerful. God bless you.

[@TiagoQuadra]

Poh - "there is no secret ingredient"

[@thegeneralist7527]

If you consider yourself not mentally tough perhaps you should think of yourself as mentally adaptable. As the guest says, there are limits to our understanding of everything, and a lot of interpretation depends on perspective. I caution you to not let other people, like doctors, put labels or limits on you. Perhaps this mindfulness technique could help you in some way like better understanding yourself and others? I wish you the best.

[@lukiso5734]

I'm diagnosed schizoaffective and Shizophrenic Paranoid. (Germany). (Right now it's gotten better with medication, but its have been developing back and right now ive started hearing people talk to me, comment on what im doing, like once a day and it interrupts what I'm doing and makes me question myself.) I might not be mentally tough as I would like. But I can be better and I'm not mentally weak. It's a curable thing, it's a manageable thing and there is hope for you, I want you to know that, if you take anything from my rambling. I think dont identify yourself with it too much, it's just a part of your brain that's having a problem. Things like daily routine, diet, exercise is still an effective way to be mentally healthy. Stress can do you in, so watch out for that aswell.

[@susanwright600]

Was his name Frank?

[@tinaahl4597]

This is absolutely one of my most favorite Dr.Peterson's interview that I have ever watched. Thanks again Dr.Peterson. God bless.

[@cymbolic_space1832]

I think the fact that she mentioned her age was 78 is an incredible piece of evidence that substantes the inverse of the degrading relationship stress has with the mind and the body. this gives me joy and happiness to see at work in her being and hope that i may be able to bring it into my being and share it with those i care about.

[@duecebiggalo9054]

❤

[@DrMarioMartinez]

Actually, Dr. Langer is 76, but just the same, remarkable.

[@cymbolic_space1832]

@@DrMarioMartinez oh thanks for the clarity, remembering numbers is not really in my weelhouse

[@Siri_Duffa]

Yep, but she's 76.

[@DrMarioMartinez]

@@cymbolic_space1832 Since I am also a longevity researcher, I can tell you that how you perceive your memory, will affect how well you remember. The good news: you can improve your memory by beginning to notice, and embody, anytime you remember something well related to numbers. Also, you can practice purposely remembering numbers. The brain needs evidence to change habitual beliefs. You see now how mindfulness affects beliefs? Most important, I strongly recommend, Dr. Langer's book. It is an elixir for wellness.

[@jeanneselin453]

This is so refreshing! I am 62 and I still find joy and love of doing just Anything!! I am always thinking and my brain Naturally plans ahead. I feel so much more intelligent than the mindless people around me just rolling through the motions of their lives. Drives me crazy

[@DrMarioMartinez]

Ellen Langer is a dear friend and colleague. It does not get any better when you get these two brilliant psychologists together. I read her manuscript, and once again, she has outdone herself. A must read if you care about your wellness and longevity.

[@douzhanglao]

love love love this. Two respectful experts discussing usable tools for self improvement.

[@denroy3]

She's pro tenure. She is part of the University problem. This brought the end of merit and the rise of indoctrination.

[@MelHS-gr4lv]

the adverts get rather ridiculous however :D

[@jjchenoa1]

I remember my kindergarten teacher asked us what color grapes were. I had two grapevines at home, one green grapes and one round blue grapes. Hands went up, red-yes, purple-yes, green-yes and I said blue. She quickly said, “No, not blue.” I’m 58 and I remember it so clearly. She told me that what I knew to be true-right in my backyard!- wasn’t true. It told me that school and my teachers (and, by the way, I loved Mrs. Nogel!) were not interested in the real world, but another world-the world of certain questions and certain answers. No part of me wantedt to be a part of that limited narrow world. Ended up homeschooling my kids for a time and I think it all started with that awareness in kindergarten.

[@maggiedoor6093]

I worked as a Teacher Assistant years ago here in Ontario Canada. One young teacher told the class that volcanoes in the world don't erupt anymore! She also couldn't spell to save her life, I was always having to correct her blackboard posts.

[@Dreamlink91]

Dr.Peterson. I would say that while for example: faced with impending doom, "self motivating positive delusion" will give you better chances at survival rather than accepting the doom and be negative about it. I had hard life both mentaly and physicaly (32 now) and 2019 i got constant 24\7 panic anxiety daily for months, was on meds and meet psychologists and so on which did help a bit but it was never as i wanted it to be. Then instarted thinking about it and doing what i wrote above about "facing impending doom" and over a single week it all went away. No meds, no therapy. I could went with ok i have anxiety for the rest of my life and ask for sorry and feel sorry for myself every day, but i went counter it, i didnt have it, now i do but i can undo that and not have it again. And i made it.

[@slr-d]

Im halfway in: but had to give a compliment to *us* for finding this great diamond in the rough. Dr. Langer may not be as celebrity as many of Jordan's guest, but MAN I'm loving this conversation. Literally loaded with priceless and timeless wisdom and information. And no ego. Even Jordan himself seem more curious and intensely engaged than usual. Just *incredible information* 🙏🏽

[@30fpssquad73]

Great information. Very well explained and easy to implement, hope more people found it useful

[@wrongfullyaccused7139]

What is so marvelous is that everything these two brilliant people are discussing is all written down in the Bible.

[@josephjohnson4669]

Dr. Langer, thank you for this conversation. I found myself revivified by your contribution in ways similar to the "self-help gurus" whom belabor "mindset" in intangibles, yet far more concretely. 1+1 is 1 and horses might eat hotdogs. And thank you for sharing your song with us. Beautiful messages all around. Here's to actively noticing. 🙏

[@Cinderella227]

Loved the conversation! Embracing each day with a grateful and positive attitude adds value to our life. I’m healthy physically, mentally, and spiritually because of God in my life. Loving and serving God, my children and others is the most meaningful. Age is just a number. Most people think I’m younger than my age. Eating right and jogging helps but I think it’s one’s outlook on life which makes a difference. Thank you both. 👍🏻✝️❤️

[@CalvinGroover]

This is so important for people to know. So many people walk around like zombies because they aren’t mindful of anything in life

[@grazynkatodisco4916]

I think there’s something in the food that they eat . It’s the neurological issue in the brain.

[@nimrylchee8796]

But, the mind is like a blade, the sharper it gets, the narrow it becomes. Picking what your mindful of and how deep is important. Being mindful of everything is impossible and a waste of time.

[@Soniboy84]

In a practical way, how are you practice "mindfulness"? It's still hard to grasp this notion for me. How is it done in a daily scenario? What do you do step by step?

[@AdorableOdyssey]

​@@nimrylchee8796 Striving for balance is key. Use your critical thinking to discern what deserves your attention and what doesn't. Indeed, selecting what to be mindful of is crucial, especially in the present moment.

[@Myrtle11123]

@@Soniboy84 try putting your focus on your big right toe. While doing this are you aware of your big left toe? Now put your awareness on you in your environment and also be aware of your big toe. Be aware of being aware. Hope this helps!

[@CeceliPS3]

Right off the bat I already learned a new lesson: to not presume to know (1 + 1) and really listen, not just in a conversation, but having that mindset in life in general.

[@user-vw6xt2ec5l]

My dad always told me to always keep working and moving,that works best for me!

[@trudyzire]

I love that she overcame the thought that only people with beautiful voices should aing in public. A great demonstration of her teachings. It is kind of funny that JP has the higher pitched voice of the two.😊

[@soleildhiver7396]

I like how Dr. Peterson brings out the relevance of God's word in various aspects in our life. Masterpiece interview❤.

[@LivingStoneRoxks]

certainly !

[@siegfreidx1633]

the reason i found out about you Dr. Peterson was because of psychology and my social anxiety, but your political comentary and news is making me neurotic. this video is the reason why i subscribed and like you in the first place, psychology stuff.

[@karrisajoss4271]

This is a fascinating conversation; not only the conversation itself, but the fact you both have a history and have learned so much.

[@bobbyb9907]

That's what educated people do, they learn, grow and develop their knowledge, expertise and skills through discussion and challenging one another in the pursuit of new knowledge (i.e. facts).

[@joseromer4952]

I've never seen anyone so effortlessly say NO to Dr Peterson, and Ive never seen Dr Peterson enjoying it all the time. He trully loves learning. He sure respects Dr Langer so much... and she knows it

[@joseromer4952]

@@rk3ts in the media He is portrayed as an Evil in several gender-related topics. when you analyze what he says vs the news you see at a first sight Media Vilification and the serious consequences it has. Off course all this supported by minority groups who " think" there are RIGHTS with NO responsibilities.

[@healingcreationsmandalaart5056]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I’m a year out of breast cancer treatment…I will now say cancer free, not in remission. It causes such a horrible underlying anxiety. I will try my best to change my mindset on it. 🙏💙🙏

[@josephinemurphy6443]

We are so fortunate to have access to people like Dr. Jordon Peterson & Dr. Ellen Langer i've listened two times and i will again thanks to you both.

[@user-bf6qu4sx6d]

Dr Langer is such an inspiration! I wonder how much her two beautiful West Highland White Terrier dogs add to her ability to live without stress? I enjoyed just watching them sleep on the couch in the background. As a 70 year old woman, I want to know more and more about your approach to life. thank you for sharing your discoveries with us!

[@AdeIsraelZion]

Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ellen thank you for this podcast ❤❤❤❤. This is Mind Explosive!

[@metalsmuthers404]

This is the best discussion I've heard in years. I was getting chills listening to you and Dr langer exchange provocative techniques on mindfulness. This is a real treat. Thank you both.

[@DrMarioMartinez]

In the past 25 years I have researched over 180 centenarians (100 years and older) worldwide. I can tell you that the way centenarians live their mindful lives, is a confirmation of what Dr. Langer is sharing in this video. The good news: genetics only accounts for 20% of centenarian longevity - the rest can be learned. I encourage you to read Langer's book The MindFul Body. I read the manuscript, and it is her best work.

[@BeverlyBall-rd2tf]

What a privilege to listen to these two individuals discussing such vitally important subject matter! Thank you Drs. Peterson and Langer for sharing your broad experience, with integrity, and for your passion for assisting (not helping too much) so many people in working through their psychological blocks that limit their ability to be fully present in their lives.

[@jocepeach7]

This is worth listening to again and sharing with others. Such a wonderful exchange of ideas and how mindfulness can change your life. Thank you!

[@autumnleaves2766]

I spat my tea out in amusement when I heard Dr Langer tell the story of the meal out with her then husband in Paris, the bit about him saying "you ate the pancreas twenty minutes ago". Priceless. Very interesting to hear Dr Langer's thoughts on how people should react and behave when they have been given a bad medical prognosis. I recently read of a man who was given a terminal cancer diagnosis over 25 years ago, he's still going strong, living on one of the Scottish islands I believe. Remarkable story about Dr Peterson's wife. Is it possible that Tammy was deliberately misdiagnosed to scare her, given all the hostility towards the Petersons in Canada ? As I understand it, Tammy then suffered iatrogenic damage to her lymphatic system, which had to be treated in the USA. I hope she is fully recovered now. When both our parents have passed, we certainly then become far more aware of our own mortality. There's a part of me that would love to sit down with an actuary to get a realistic life expectancy estimate ! This was a brilliant discussion, so much valuable information and advice here. Thanks to Dr Langer and to Dr Peterson as ever.

[@mr.knownothing33]

Nice! 🔥 It’s good to mix it up with psychology not just politics. Psychology, concepts, psychoanalysis, scientific studies, lectures etc so it’s good to have guests on these topics. That is what drew me to Peterson

[@isabelhernaez4617]

Dear Dr Peterson, I admire you greatly and found your guest Ellen Langer sweet, optimistic, honest and well-intended, and you obviously felt that her work was valuable content to share on your channel. As for me, I felt transported to the 80s, the days of amongst others, Louise Hay, author of self-help, motivational and metaphysics books, such as, 'You can heal your life'. I found their premises and approach a bit similar, in as much as none of them enjoy robust scientific evidence. Their principles could be potentially dangerous too, if they can lead some people to believe for example, that a terminal illness can be cured through the power of one's mind or the other way round. Thank you for your invaluable work.

[@inhimrecreated]

I enjoyed this. Dr. Ellen Langer was so easygoing and in such good spirits but brother you were so intense :) I think she was getting a kick out of watching how serious you were. Good job

[@Blank22311]

Exactly the type of videos I need to be watching.

[@Cepcep77]

What an absolutely wonderful woman ❤

[@yurypal]

I think Dr. Langer is on to something. Thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing this great conversation! Also, i really liked JBP’s explanation on what is mindfulness- “paying attention to what you are paying attention to”.

[@Muppet_Master]

This is one of the best for a long time. Much prefer JBP on psychology and when he lets the other person talk

[@Cher1924]

Thank you Jordan for putting yourself out there and taking huge risks to brings the truth and the facts about so many things.

[@carolspencer6915]

Good evening Jordan and Ellen Again Thankyou for this. Am I too old to become an independent research nurse at 49 years young, I sometimes wonder. Your shared work really does resonate and inspire. Truly grateful. 💜

[@cococornhuskyy]

probably not, if you're up for the challenge. I'm in a medical PhD program with 65 year olds who look forward to the next 20 or 30 years in the field ❤

[@LucyMoll]

Go for it!

[@MrWorldclassmusician]

Going through a cancer treatment and the resultant deep anxiety; this video, along with the book was such a help. One of the few things which helped me see straight. Genuinely forever grateful for this. Got me out of a very dark place.

[@KristineCelestin]

Exactly the same feeling❤

[@KristineCelestin]

Hang in there

[@MrWorldclassmusician]

@@KristineCelestin thanks, apparently I’m all good now. Hope you’re doing ok.

[@KristineCelestin]

@MrWorldclassmusician Great news and not apparently, no place for doubt, you are doing smashingly 👍. It is actually my hubby - pancreatic cancer you see, he is not into all of this watching...so I am educating myself to find the approach to keep him going...doctors and everyone is scaring him...morbidity is the call of the day, my mental resolve, 'f' morbidity, pardon my kanguage, let's go on with life...I do not allow myself and let him slide into despair...so far so good, just had the operation, after four months of chemo, we are together in this and I have no doubt we will prevail. As doctor Langer conveyed, do we really have to continue in a miserable state. I have forbidden doctors to tell him the prognosis, and also said if you have anything positive share, negative, I do not want to hear...as every time you go for these appointments with oncologists it is like you need to take valium before, during and after... I feel impacted and I am not the patient, just imagining what the patient would feel...crazy, so much stress, everyone knows cancer, any cancer is bad news, now, I am not saying, do not be truthful but do not dish out sentences without asking...I hear by law, we are obliged to say it, so now, I say, by law, if you say something which may not transpire, I will hold legally accountable....this somehow tempered the severity of the words...

[@KristineCelestin]

No doubt you are doing smashingly good and not apparently, this is my hubby, you see pancreatic cancer, the treatment goes on and we are persevering...Such discussions help a lot...they are life affirming, open to embrace every possibility, this is exactly, what everyone stricken by severity of diagnosis whether cancer or otherwise needs

[@lordribs]

When you talk about one man's capacity to change lives positively from a thousands miles away thanks to the internet and I watched the NATIVE INTELLIGENCE and from then on I QUIT ALCOHOL...Thanks for all you do. Dr. Peterson.

[@tdeo2141]

So happy for you. You’ve done what’s not easy. Take good care.

[@lordribs]

@@tdeo2141 can't thank God enough pray for me to stand the test of time I really feel better not having alcohol in my system

[@kd888]

Thank you, Dr. Petersen, and Dr. Ellen Langer for this insightful, and validating interview. As a metaphysician this has been part of my life's work, having implemented these methods I've healed from a critical illness myself. Thank you so much for what you do. God bless you both. I will definitely be checking out the rest of this interview on my Daily Wire subscription.🤗

[@ichbingenug3565]

I adore this woman! Thanks, Jordan Peterson, for inviting her and for this scholarly exchange of thoughts.

[@denroy3]

Why? Her tenure everyone approval was tantamount to sanctioning the decline of University thought and a complete acquiescence to the establishment. With tenure came the end of merit.

[@freeworldtv1776]

We need our spirituality and the return to the laws of nature, our principles and values ​​to act from our center 🙏🏻

[@alessandravittoriniorgeas5345]

Remarkable to see how he handles conversations like this one where he is faced with things that in my opinion are against his core beliefs, like the importance of goals for a meaningful life, the hierarchy of values, the danger of relativism etc. However, he does not interrupt her, instead he listens carefully and then, if appropriate, he also provides an example that corroborates her viewpoint or he might formulate a question that is intended to clarify a point where he has troubles understanding. This is truly something to learn from!

[@cdbrown30]

Truly enjoy listening to the seminar on Exodus “the road out”. Dr. Peterson you are a gem and thanks for sharing!

[@joykeebler1916]

- Dr. Ellen Langer, seems to have a proper course of true logic / - Very Good interview Dr. Peterson.!

[@JulesCreativityPersonified]

I am a teacher and the so called education system has nothing to do with education. Jordan is spot on in his description. Great interview.

[@katedalma9434]

This discussion was great. I really loved the energy and that both speakers brought something to the table. Thank you for this eye opener.

[@cathypiscitello3369]

Love this interview, the power of the mind, reiterating that thoughts are creative we create our own reality. It's nice to hear it from someone like her. I'm so sorry I've been following you Dr. Peterson the indoctrination you must undergo regarding social media to continue on. We are living in very strange times. God bless you and your family.

[@Milestonemonger]

"Is it a tragedy or an inconvenience?" Wow! What a great way to look at everything ❤

[@twac750]

Yes I found that one line very helpful

[@threestars2164]

Tell that to the 10,000 people are were swept away by the flood recently in Libya. It would not seem as profound to them I imagine.

[@midoann]

Of course, wars, natural disaster, grief… are tragedy then how can we improve the moment if we can or how can we help children and elders in these situations.

[@JamesDean_B]

Not to sound like a cheeseball, but I genuinely cannot emphasize enough how grateful I am to live in a time where we have immediate access to engaging and informative conversations like these. To be able to listen as dedicated and intellectually driven experts have deep conversations and share their knowledge. It’s so f***ing cool.

[@AsimAbduljabbar]

Well said Dr. Ellen this statement has strongly resonated with me “ No body knows, and not knowing is good. Because it makes everything potentially new and exciting”

[@villep7907]

This was one of the quickest 2 hours I've had the pleasure of experiencing! Thank you so much for this discussion!

[@slowdown3787]

A great discussion. I think Joe Dispenza could have added a lot to this also. Thank you both.

[@ladyletters]

I love that she sang!!! Fantastic! 😊

[@gavintfrye]

She sang like an absolute angel 😇

[@SuperNeena1]

I sure needed this last Saturday! I buy your books for others, which I need for myself! ❤🇨🇦.

[@alicecrenshaw6614]

Thank you for taking the time to help humans.❤

[@MHM4V3R1CK]

Such a rewarding experience listening to these two converse. I feel like it coule be studied as a blueprint for respect and consideration in adult conversation. I bow down in respect for these two.

[@JamesBWon]

Hope that Dr. Ellen is what Harvard still produces now.

[@sarahsf6940]

this looks like an amazing interview that comes out right as I am trying to work on mindfulness in order to enhance my daily qulaity of life and on developing and sustaining a vision as I realise I have been lacking which in turn made it seem like a lot of efforts to work towards my degree and the things I want in the long run. Saving this podcast for commuting time! Will surely buy Dr. Ellen Langer's book as well, seems like a must have !

[@michaelsnelling2918]

Dr Ellen has got it! Consistent mindfulness leads to not lying to yourself i.e. not telling yourself you know the answers in advance !

[@chuksben8175]

I love how the whole world is coming back to mindfulness and meditation. The fast paced world we leave in now is the source of all the mental illnesses we have today. Good job Mr Peterson

[@dizzyx05]

Wonderful show mind&body not sure when the disconnect happened but we should strive for that connection again.

[@humm64]

So encouraging to hear of these amazing studies where normal people drastically changed their lives just by changing their perceptions

[@stepheninderlied5091]

Wow! This was just such a wonderful conversation to be a part of. I hope there are many more to come with Dr. Ellen Langer and I will definitely be investigating that book of hers.

[@philipgilliam3400]

This was such a Great interview. I’ve been a fan of Dr. Langer and her books for many years. This was such a treat! Please, please do more interviews with her. Also, perhaps consider a panel interview where you could interview someone like Dr. Langer and maybe Carol Dweck or Naseem Talib or maybe Daniel Kahneman at the same time.

[@VanessaDiazNYC]

Dr. Ellen Langer possesses remarkable wisdom, and her academic background enables her to engage with discerning individuals like Jordan, who appreciate her insights without dismissing them as lacking substance.

[@Introvertedmess77]

Thank you for another amazing episode and insight Mr.Peterson. Onward and Upward.

[@settakeshishian8561]

Amazing duo! I couldn’t have enough of your professional expertise! Thank you both for an outstanding session!

[@Gottaculat]

I was just thinking I wanted to hear some Dr. Peterson while I start my day, and wha-bam, notification for a new video. Huzzah!

[@geraldmaybebaby1585]

I'm always in awe at the Will of the mind. And how some people can keep pushing on, wading through an endless bog of monsters.

[@l.f7469]

I needed this. Thank you!❤

[@juanmascorro4097]

Loved this episode !! Really spoke to a lot of beautiful insights. I believe that Dr. Peterson and Dr Joe Dispenza would have a rather interesting if not eye opening conversation on similar topics. I’m here for it as I’m sure many others would be as well!!

[@richiet293]

I can’t imagine what people did years ago before this kind of advice/ wisdom was so freely available. Thank you Dr. Peterson.

[@debrabeghtol4332]

She makes so much sense it's making me smile 😊. Waves of relief.

[@itsHeatherKay]

I am mindful yet learned a lot from this- thank you!

[@juanchenolsen45]

Great interview! Thank you both of you! The points about research are exactly what Dr. Katy Mullis described in his book Dancing Naked in the Mind Field! When the research is aligned with your salary, the result of the research is compromised!

[@ThiagoSantos-lo3ms]

She is so well spoken! Such a great voice and thoughts also! Love it

[@ldevon2318]

Wow Dr Langer is fantastic!

[@AndyMan365]

I'm so glad to hear you both discuss this topic.. I had some tough times in my past but moved to this way of thinking about 10yrs ago.. it took some time to take full effect, yet for the last 5yrs (or so), I have enjoyed the benefit.. I will certainly be reading Dr. Ellen's book to learn what she has found about this fascinating approach.. thank you both ❤