Minimoog App vs Model D Review

[@gbevin]

Hey Starsky, great video. Quick tip, if you hold another finger on an empty front panel area or on the wood while tweaking a knob, the app switches to fine mode. This makes it a lot easier to dial in precise settings.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks - very useful. I wish I’d known that before I started the review!!! Cheers :).

[@Lyubota]

Thank U

[@07noir07]

Considering the price difference and how close the app gets to a physical mini moog is just crazy! It’ll be extremely hard to tell the difference in a song when you have other instruments playing all at the same time (: But then again who wouldn’t want a physical unit? Lol. it’s more inspiring and human

[@chitlun]

Absolute belting piece of kit, especially when you consider Moog decided to give the app for free at the start of all this COVID bollocks! Their Model 15 app is pretty spectacular as well. Cheers for the great content man ✌️

[@cured_bacon647]

The apps are free every year on Robert moogs birthday

[@DaveypooMMM]

This was great - super detailed and diligent. I appreciate the comparison. Aside from a few items (external input, FM) I think they sound nearly identical, certainly enough so that it'd be hard to tell the difference in a mix. Thanks for this!

[@npartridge12]

Really great comparison video and the best review I’ve seen on this fantastic app. That filter is so creamy on the app, just amazing what Moog have done here, they really are absolute geniuses! I had to get this on the day it came out, amazing app for the money.

[@middle_pickup]

I imagine if I had a Minimoog I would love the app as a guide. Think about it. You have a preset manager of sorts with previews of all the sounds. Yea some will be different, but you can tweak by ear. Part of the difficulty with old synths to me is never remembering what the sounds I like are.

[@epicon6]

I do think that both the Model D and the Model 15 from Moog are easily the best analog emulations ever made.

[@analogmatthew]

Really nice sound comparison- Excellent job! 🙌

[@ghostsax]

at higher frequencies i definitely think it’s a lot easier to tell the difference between the two, but in a lot of cases it really does sound almost exactly like the real thing. best $15 i’ve spent in a while tbh. thanks for the comparison!!

[@rabbit_noize]

Great review! I find myself working more and more with the minimoog app, it’s brilliant! As for the overdrive, it reminds me of the one in the little phatty, similar tone.

[@TheSlageSaga]

Someone may have already said this already, but if you are using a midi controller then just use a different midi channel. Then you can seamlessly transition between each app by switching the midi channel.

[@månemannmånemann]

Nice comparison, they got very close to each other in the end. Thanks for doing this!

[@photicsonar]

Thanks for that! Great Review as always, buddy! Bought the app and must say: Incredible!

[@DoctorJezz]

Nice one M - great review as always and getting better all the time 👍

[@JoshRichmanDesign]

Moog Model D iPad app is great. I got it to save patches and explore presets with my Boog (Behringer Model D synth) great paring!

[@chrisstrobel3439]

I wonder if you could eq the Moog app a little to get it closer 🤔 I mentioned in the Boog video I had two original D's from 1978-1988, and the two of them sounded a smidge different .. one was 'brighter' than the other .. but I could add a smidge of eq in my mixer and get em pretty close. Anyway another good video .. and remember that app is polyphonic! If someone had come to me in my Minimoog days with an iPad with this app on it and said 'I'll trade you straight across for your Minimoog' I would have done it in a split second! 😁

[@epicon6]

If there is a software update that emulates the overdrive more accurately please make a follow up video to this.

[@rcher]

Polyphonic app version makes it the best sounding one. IYKYK!

[@dynamicdavid]

14:33 is where most of the MEATy 🍖 sounds begin for best practical comparison.

[@DMC-mp9sx]

Sooo close! Gotta give credit to Moog. Their software is strong like their hardware! In a mix, 9 out of 10 folks wouldn't know the difference. Plus some good compression etc., and in a song good luck hearing the difference. The filter section of the app is so impressive...nearly identical to identical.

[@dennisristow2102]

The Arturia audio playback issue could have to do with the audio pass thru settings on the different apps. Turning it off (or toggling on and off) sometimes clears it I've found on my old iPad Air 2. My new gen Pro iPad has the issue less often.

[@ProducedBy10A]

Very closely modelled. Sound is great. No wonder I love the app so much haha

[@coolo73]

At first I thought the moog app sounded like crap (delay on every patch) and every patch sounded the same, but it was actually also triggering another app in the background the whole time. For some strange reason MIDI out is enabled by default on the Moog app. You have to go into the settings and turn off 'output - send midi' on the midi tab.

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... I’ve not really got my head around using iPad apps for serious stuff. I seem to hit walls every time I have a stab at it. It’s easier just to go into the studio!

[@JAKEAWAKEOFFICIAL]

The thing is, none of the original moog units sound the same anyway. Its natural for them to sound different. I like the app and who noticed that the steps up in the filter were much smoother in the app! I’ll do another line to celebrate!

[@StarskyCarr]

Bassline? ;)

[@MadDogE134]

yeah the physical unit has a little more 'weight' in the sound... look at the power consumption. the ipad unit is amazing for the power output. not much into synths... mainly a guitarist but tryin to get me head around them. cheers

[@StarskyCarr]

I use the heat from my synths to heat the room ;). If I only use plugins I have to turn the heating on. I wish I had got into guitars rather than synths, I’d have a much healthier bank balance.

[@MadDogE134]

at least during winter your synths keep you warm... all i get is cold strings lol cheers

[@apexmike849]

+Starsky Carr Other way around - I wish that I'd learned keyboards...

[@Paul-ur5kc]

Thanks for this! my Arturia Mini V3 from my V-Collection V drifts out of tune as well. It's very strange. I recorded a tune in ProTools and the more times I play it back the more out of tune it gets. I close the file and reopen and it's in tune again for almost one playback. I gave up eventually as I asked about it at the Arturia help forum and never received a response. I ended up duplicating the patch on my Moog Sub37TE and used it. I've never tried the Mini V3 again but I will at some point (there was an update) as I liked it fine for the cost which came out to about $25.00 because I bought the V-Collection V for half price at $250.00. Thanks again for what you do, Starsky.

[@baldkeef]

Very helpful and great coverage of useful stuff. Thanks!

[@JDNicoll]

Nice video; thank you. I've watched a few of these and it seems clear that Moog missed something with the app. It just doesn't have the muiscality of the real thing. It's missing the secret sauce. I wonder if running it through an amp would help....

[@wrmusic8736]

As usual - when filter gets engaged is when the software loses. But it's not just the real thing's filter that sounds superior, after all it just gets rid of harmonics and frequencies and the rest are still produced by oscillators - which sound more full.

[@sibbyeskie]

Did some analysis, on top of the ear test, and the analog Minimoog definitely sounds a lot nicer. The bass comes out considerably more smooth and present despite not taking up any more headroom (you can actually see clear natural compression occurring on the analog vs iPad). Also the top end is never harsh. The iPad comes through with a lot of harsh overtones. Those details are the kinds of things make mix engineers have to reach for EQ, compression and all sorts of tricks just to get to how they would prefer. And despite average people saying they don't notice these things, they very much do in aggregate. It's like anything else that involves fine detail. Consciously, people aren't aware, but those details add up and can make a piece go from a subconscious sense of "good" to "perfect." I don't actually own any analog gear at the moment, so I'm not just some fetishist. Bottom line is just about any sound coming out of analog gear will sound great right away and be inspiring enough to make a good mix.

[@XanderEwald]

Did some music, on top of ear test, and the app did just fine ;) Seriously, these are instruments that are meant to be played, be it the analogue hardware or it’s software equivalent. Nobody can keep you from nerding out and hyperfocusing on finest sonic details (I do so too regularly), but keep in mind that for 99% of people who use these things as intended, it absolutely doesn’t matter.

[@qbertykey6223]

No, you’re right! The tuning drifts on the app! One of the first things I noticed when I got it!

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha phew .... thought I was going crazy!!

[@Mark_Ocain]

I like the app...the real model D seems to have more harmonic crispness in some places and more growl in others . But hey, it's pretty good for an app eh?...especially when it's a bastard to get two actual model D's to sound the same.

[@jonaskeusch]

Why is this only available for Ipad and Iphone? Why are they not making it a VST for PC and Mac?

[@sekanuel]

It seems like the physic moog can produce sounds with more harmonics, but you have to sit down and listen carefully to notice it. Anyway it's a great app with the brilliant sound that the real model D has.

[@ronnieaux5290]

It's also very different hearing it in person, and analog - before converting to digital. There's something "alive" about analog synths before they're converted to digital.

[@kingslaphappy1533]

Great vid comparison! Job well done sir. Just curious, what interface are you using on the ipad to bring the sound to our ears?

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, I’ll have used my UAD Apollo via the headphone out. Not ideal but the iPad dock wasn’t working - another update got it working again later. I would normally use this to run into the Apollo as it has balanced outs and is pretty good quality. I was surprised here as I don’t think the headphone out was too bad.

[@HarisonZamperla]

Brilliant comparison. I've been waiting for this. I'm also very impressed by the app. Moog makes great software as well. Their model 15 app is also genius As far as a Imini and model d app shootout I was thinking run them both (arturia and model d apps) as inputs in audiobus 3 and just use the mixer to mute one and then the other Or turn off background mode (model d has this option not sure about imini) so it only plays when open on screen

[@chrisstrobel3439]

Its funny you should mention the drifting on the iPad version .. my Arturia version on the computer drifts too .. sometimes to an annoying degree! lol

[@alexbela]

Hey, I have the same Alesis IO Dock and keeps working on IOS 11. Sometimes the incompatible message shows but simply unplug it and plug it again, it will end up working!

[@StarskyCarr]

Sounds a bit optimistic :). I’ll have a go. Thanks.

[@alexbela]

Have you updated to 11.3 ? now the incompatibility message completely disappeared!

[@darryldouglas6004]

Alex Belart Do you know a way to plug a midi keyboard controller into the IO Dock? I’ve searched everywhere and have not found a solution.

[@bv9434]

Hey Starsky.. this or synapse audio the legend?

[@StarskyCarr]

I’d be happy to use either. Legend is easier in the studio. Moog is better on the go.

[@valdiskrebs566]

Great walk through! Did you try turning off Bacground Audio in those apps you did not want to hear?

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes, the option isn’t there on the imini. Oddly it is on the Arturia iSEM.

[@jonlindsey4114]

yeah, you would think there would be an option to turn it off, lol. I did a comparison between Imini and Model D app and used AUM as the mixer so I could mute Imini or Model D when I didnt want to hear them.

[@baksagimm5890]

whoah... seem like app does a better job then se02 or any other moog emuls?

[@jonlindsey4114]

Great video, it was an instabuy for me when it came out too, lol. I kinda liked that they released without a lot of hype too, it was e really great surprise to see it in the app store. I cant afford a real Model D, but this will deeeeefffffffinitely work in the meantime, lol.

[@kevinw5093]

I'd like to see you do a behringer d comparison, mine just arrived :-)

[@StarskyCarr]

If you fancy letting me have a play with it for a few hours.... ;)

[@kevinw5093]

Sure no probs. You have a Facebook message :-)

[@nickw2704]

Hi, do you know if it’s possible to control Moog Model D app with another sequencer app? I suppose ideally I would put it in Audiobus but I can’t put a sequencer before it.

[@chitlun]

Nicky Know-all It’ll run perfectly well in Cubasis or in AUM with something like Drambo or Atom sequencing.

[@issiewizzie]

not sure what magic or voodoo Moog is doing to their app..it sounds amazing

[@Busun_music]

Can I download this on my Macbook and use with Garageband? Sounds stupid, pretty sure I can. But not sure if i've missed this anywhere.

[@StarskyCarr]

No it’s an IOS app - iPhone/iPad only

[@apexmike849]

They are close. I bought the Model D app for under a fiver, so as I could never afford a real one, this is more than good enough. I can't play keyboards for shit anyway! ;-)

[@hujuu]

Set them up in AUM or Audiobus and just mute the one you don't want to hear?

[@StarskyCarr]

Oh .. just realised what you meant ;). Thanks. I thought you were asking how I recorded the video!! Cheers, appreciated. I’ll try that.

[@jamesearthenware]

hi; what program did you use for the spectrum analysis on the moog / behringer comparison？

[@StarskyCarr]

It's Logic's own EQ

[@jamesearthenware]

cheers, looks easy to read! I don't have a mac so I will have to use something else!

[@amanray]

I use Imoog arturia and a real minimoog, there are much more difference in real, KZbin = mp3 , how can compare when you loose many frequencies ?

[@noisynois1670]

que use el filtro haciendo modulaciones ya veras que diferencia,nada que ver el original,no se pueden comparar,que va a sermejor un plugins que esmuy barato na mauqina que costaba este año unos 3700,no creo que suenen igual,y youtube baja la calidad y sepierden texturas y mucho,yo tengo el model d de behringer y no se pueden comparar con the legen,minimog v y minimog app,suena parecidos cuando tocas notas asi simples,aun asi tienemas amplitud el hardware,pero ya cuando hacer algo complejo confiltros y lfo,el software es una caca ya en el video se nota que le falta gordura que eslo quese busca en estos hardware,saludos

[@HotStrange]

The official Moog app sounds quite a bit better than the Arturia one.

[@cinebient5343]

Great thing this app. Do you think it´s better than The Legend. But yes that overdrive isn´t in any of these emulations (not that you could use it without peaking over to hell in a track).

[@StarskyCarr]

I think the filter section is the best I’ve heard on any app/plug-in. It really behaves like the hardware and sounds so close. I don’t think the resonance goes quite as high and maybe the filter doesn’t open as much as the hardware (possibly a reason for less harmonics at the top end of the frequency spectrum). But that’s as far as I’d test tbh - it has the right feel and sounds so good it gets a big tick.

[@cinebient5343]

Thank´s and i agree. I compared it to all the plug-ins and it is the best to my taste. Only P900 is still better for me (but it´s a modular). I even find the feedback really good on this app and it really pronounce sounds, especially at the low end if you gain stage it to the max. It´s from all these emulations the most musical feedback if that makes sense. I´m impressed and hope they do a VST/AU some day since it feels a bit lost on my iPhone. Thank´s for your great videos.

[@mickec5245]

Let's be honest here. Emulations start to be scary authentic. In a few years with increased capacity of our computers, there will be no relevant difference for ordinary listeners if it is not live.

[@SjN7HETIK]

the real one have a little more content in the highs (at least to my ears), but have to say a well made soft version, good job Arturia

[@joachim595]

Does this work sort of like 1:1 to the original Model D? I mean: if I, say, put a knob to a specific level, will they both sound the same? Sorry my English I bad ☺️

[@joachim595]

If I use an old patch sheet and set them both according to that, will they sound the same or will I have to tweak the app?

[@StarskyCarr]

You’d have to tweak the app a little. They’re close but not exactly the same at the same settings.

[@joachim595]

Starsky Carr ok!

[@מיכאלב-ה5מ]

Starsky carr , what is your go to synth?

[@StarskyCarr]

It depends what I’m doing. I use the mini for lead sounds that cut through a mix. Sub 37 for darker, grittier synced sounds. MS 20 for harsher tones and voyager for deeper patches.

[@מיכאלב-ה5מ]

What about model e vst of steinberg vs moog model d The model e is free vst

[@epicon6]

I can tell the difference on every sound eyes closed but i’m also thinking it might be modeled after a different revision. Everyone should own the app and the real Model D.

[@StarskyCarr]

Not bad though for the £5 I think it cost when I bought it. Compared to plugins which are so expensive. Arturia MiniV for the iPad, for example, is so much cheaper than this plugin version.. weird.

[@epicon6]

I’m sure in 15 years analog emulation can sound more analog than analog synths. Sucks that the engineers suck so bad in 2018 :)

[@amazeus1980]

App sounds great anyway. When adding effects and eq, compression one will not tell the difference…

[@GregConquest]

@0:50 The Arturia iProphet did the same thing to me this week. I plugged an Arturia MiniLab 3 (midi controller) into my iPad and just tapped the keys before I opened as app, AND SOMETHING WAS PLAYING! I swiped dwon from the top right corner to get the Control Center to see what was playing, and it didn't know. There was no active app for music listed. So, I started going through apps one by one, not really knowing how I'd find which one was the cultprit. GarageBand, Sunrizer, Moog Model D all played different sounds when I pressed their on-screen keyboards. Finally Arturia's iProphet was a match. There is no OFF button, though, so I had to swipe up slowly from the bottom to see all my running apps, and then I swiped up on iProphet, force-closing it, and finally closing this weird, still-5-year-later bug.

[@BadTrip69]

Free app vs €4k Hardware. I preffer app, sounds great :D

[@timmturner]

The app isn't free really, it's a gift to help with boredom during the COVID-19 outbreak.

[@rubennunez4299]

@@timmturner it came 2 years ago....

[@timmturner]

@@rubennunez4299 I don't get what your saying? They started giving the app away when covid-19 struck to help with boredom.

[@rocknets]

Not sure if you're still looking for the answer on how to stop the Arturia playing, but here goes anyway. All you need to do is run the two iPad synths on two different Midi receive channels. Then you can switch between them by changing your Midi send channel from your keyboard. It's actually a great feature that lets you play multiple iPad synths on different channels.

[@issiewizzie]

yea.... thanks bro

[@מיכאלב-ה5מ]

Midi control work perfect with tha app

[@xXkupsuXx]

very nice. thx!

[@analogig]

Will it work on a 32 bit device? Price is showing as £15 today ??

[@jonlindsey4114]

Nope, 64 bit only, Im running it on my Ipad Air 2 and Iphone 5s, but its a no go on my Ipad2. It run great but I really wish I had an Ipad Pro so I could run more instances, but Il settle for one or two instances for now :)

[@analogig]

Thanks, thought that would be the case ;)

[@jonlindsey4114]

yw, I bought it a day or two after it came out for $4.99, but even at $15 its worth every penny imo

[@JayTheLane]

Scouser? You and Doug from the Soundtest Room know each other?

[@Sage-zs9qy]

I’m pretty sure the arturia is playing because the keyboard of minimoog is acting as a midi input for it. Try change the channel of the midi input and output of the arturia so that minimoog can’t trigger it.

[@thedrumunkey]

It’s a great app, but man, it’s such a cpu hog that it’s hard to use much of anything else with it.

[@ZiadSidawi]

Comparison between a zombie and a human...they both walk on two feet, but they are world apart.

[@BoBeats]

FIRST?!

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha no way :) that would be my first first - a double first no less !!

[@StarskyCarr]

Oh and you’re the first comment - a triple!!

[@instrumentalistjade8367]

Hi bobeats.. i see you everywhere sir.😀👍🏼🎹🎶

[@BoBeats]

I am Starskys biggest fan :D featured him in one of my videos a while back also

[@bradydansmith]

liverpewl

[@StarskyCarr]

Deadscou5

[@bradydansmith]

Hahahah yes sir! Good Call

[@alonsofernandezgil9779]

queda muy lejos,cuando usa la saturacion dice wow,nada que hacer el moog original es una bestia,el otro es su cria es jovencita aun ,como el ladrido de una cria de perro,igual,no se,no lo veo tan bestia,es muy rara de hecvho como hace la saturacion la app,no me gusta,de hecho el behringer model d si lo hace igual,lo digo por que tengo uno,y mi amigo tiene uno original,y son parctivamentes identicos,cada moog suena distinto,eos hay que tenerlo en cuenta,pero a la app le fatla mucho para sonar como los grandes,bye

[@rabbit_noize]

alonso fernandez gil the app sounds better than the behringer

[@rabbit_noize]

La app suena mejor que el behringer

[@misterwogan]

Prefect. At last - Arturia is pronounced "Ar-Tur-ia" and not "Ar-Chew-Ri-a" as is habitually practiced by non-non-scousers.