MLM TOP FAILS #53 | Claiming Optavia prevents getting the flu

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[@HannahAlonzo]

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[@katrink5424]

Does this code work for every country where Hello Fresh operates or just the US?

[@breannabrandlein2762]

Crying happy tears for you getting a Hello Fresh sponsorship. I’ve been here since the beginning of your Poshmark days and you’ve come so so far 😭 immensely proud of your growth and dedication to this channel!!!

[@AmandaNoddings]

Hey @hannah, maybe you’re thinking of the expression “jack of all trades, master of none?” Basically, if you try to be good at everything, you end up specializing at nothing. :)

[@jessgilbert5586]

Weird that the girls from Vic Beauty didn’t get a say in what happened with the company closing seeings as they’re CEO’s and all…..

[@msmagsmn]

Right? I thought ALL CEOs got fat severance packages and/or golden parachutes when a company tanks. Cause CEOs ALWAYS manage to walk away from a company with money, even if everything is crashing. The rank and file are the ones who take it on the chin. So, Vic reps, which group are you in, really?

[@TheSamDee]

YESSSS!!!!! Funny how that works, isn't it?!

[@d.awdreygore]

I will never undertand why people selling shampoo choose to wear hats so often in these videos. I have questions.

[@DuhLikeTotally]

They also almost alwayssss have hair extensions in. While claiming their shampoo will make hair grow faster. Weird 🤔

[@lauren.13]

Optavia rep: "These fuellings keep you from feeling like crap" Hannah: "Ma'am, my cat and I beg to differ"

[@autumnmoyet2531]

I love this comment 😂

[@duckiekraft6893]

I'll have to see if the comment is still around, but there was an Optavia rep claiming that the fuelings were so good that her cat was even trying them. I don't know about her cat, but my cats weren't going anywhere near that crap (plus, cats aren't supposed to have chocolate, and most of the fuelings I had were of the chocolate variety - I couldn't stand them, otherwise).

[@TheSamDee]

😂

[@anjujohn6928]

I have tried Optivia, and I had diarrhea for three days

[@TheSamDee]

@@anjujohn6928 😦 Oh no!!!

[@deannab56]

Rep: "Taking care of my health" Me (nurse): since when is eating highly processed food and significantly restricting yourself of calories considered "health"? Hmmm, wonder what may be running her down 🤔

[@reidleblanc3140]

That's what I was thinking. eating disorders wreck your immune system! (those white blood cells need proper sustenance!) people with a healthy immune system will not be so desperate for ways to keep from getting sick...

[@YurTypicalVegasMom702]

I lost my first son at 26 weeks and chose to be induced and give birth. I can guarantee you, weight loss was the last thing on my mind! That MLM rep was beyond out of line!

[@businessacc179]

So sorry for your loss 💜

[@DracoTriste]

Clip 5!?! Excuse me!?!? “Maybe if you were skinnier you’d feel better about your dead child!?!” What the actual fresh hell is this?

[@dianaquill9969]

Don't forget to start the habit of having kids wash their hands as soon as they get home from school. It's really helpful.

[@meb1583]

i’m cracking up every time the closed captions read “rodent in fields” PLEASE can we call them that from now on

[@dawnf.1703]

The bechbody rep with the message to the woman who just lost her baby is so beyond disgusting. As someone who has lost 3 children prebirth I cannot imagine receiving a message as horrible as that from a “friend” the day after. I truly hope that rep wakes up and realizes what a disgusting person she has turned into. Words can’t express how disturbing that was. I pray for the Momma that she is recovering and is getting real support from people who love her and truly care for her.

[@lilacv6646]

I agree. And I just want to say I’m sorry for your losses. That is really hard and I hope you’re healing. ❤ to you

[@beyourownsunshine5548]

First of all, I’m so sorry for all of your losses and my heart goes out to you❤️ my heart literally dropped when the beach body rep said she works with moms to lose their baby weight… How painful that was to hear her say that, I couldn’t even imagine

[@beyourownsunshine5548]

Also, I found it even more disturbing, but she only put one sentence of condolences before jumping into her pitch. It just makes it even more disturbing that she didn’t even try to fake that there was a genuine heart of her reaching out to provide support.

[@dawnf.1703]

@@lilacv6646 Thank you! I’m good now. It’s been over 15 years since our last loss. I have four amazing godchildren that I get to spent time with and then go home to my very quiet house. It’s a good system. 😉

[@dawnf.1703]

@@beyourownsunshine5548 Thank you! Yes, that rep is truly gross and the saddest part is she doesn’t even recognize it. I pray her eyes are opened to just how awful she is being to other women.

[@krisdiane]

So the first lady is feeling run down but claims that she's feeling great because of her fuelings? 😂

[@rachelsmith6820]

Starvation diets can make you feel good in the first week, but not long term. Much like having someone break into your house gets endorphins going but then you crash later!

[@krisdiane]

@@rachelsmith6820 right, but you can't feel run down and great at the same time. I sure wish you could though. 😂

[@rachelsmith6820]

@@krisdiane 🤣

[@mooniemoons]

My friend is a pro athlete with a diet specifically made for him by two nutrition experts. And he is currently sick with a cold. Must be because he isn't on a 800 calorie a day Optavia diet eating trash food from packets and totally not because a cold is a virus literally anyone can get. 🤦‍♀️

[@ungarischfsikurs743]

I had a miscarriage a few weeks ago and even that was absolutely devastating. :( A stillbirth must be a 100 times worth. I can't imagine how this woman thought preying on the poor mother was a good idea. How disgusting!

[@elisabethrankin7702]

I'm sorry. I hope you have a good support system 💙

[@chrisstroud1915]

I'm so sorry to hear that, I hope you're doing okay

[@ungarischfsikurs743]

@@elisabethrankin7702 Thank you so much! Yes, I have luck on that part. My significant other is gorgeous, and my sister is also always there for me.

[@ungarischfsikurs743]

@@chrisstroud1915 Thank you! It was in October. I'm recovering already.

[@josephinenelan4204]

Same boat. Worst Halloween of my life. MLMs are DEFINITELY the wrong kind of support. Hopefully you have others reaching out to you, too. The support that comes from those who’ve been there before-I know they have been so comforting to me in my life. We are not alone ❤

[@Nat-hu4gq]

PSA about optavia. A family member who is doing the 5&1 plan for 13 months so far. They are getting sick to the point of requiring frequent doctor visits. Warn your loved ones before doing this or any crash diet

[@mariahjonesbest239]

Paused on clip three right now, I’ve worked in administration for a fairly sized church (about 500 congregants.) I was required to attend two things, our staff retreat and the meeting presenting the annual report. In the year I worked there NO ONE made any particular inquiries or statements to me regarding my religion, or questioned why I didn’t go to service (I did attend one really touching service regarding gun violence after the shooting of the LGBTQIA club in Florida.) There was usually a short prayer at the beginning of staff meetings, I was told about this during the interview, and they explained that if had other religious beliefs I could say my own prayer or remain seated if i preferred. It’s clear to me that this is faith manipulation and it’s really strange, it kind of shows that most people in MLM do not have a lot or any job experience.

[@marymcdaniel3883]

As a Christian who has been involved with serving on worship teams and other services offered by churches, the lady in clip 3 disgusts me. Using worship and faith to leverage personal profit is exactly what had Jesus literally flipping tables. There's a lot of ways that faith gets used to manipulate but this is one of the most obvious and ridiculous

[@marymcdaniel3883]

Just got through clip 5 and I'm horrified. That is the absolute worst time to pitch any mlm scheme, and the way it was pitched adds insult to injury.

[@Baby.Annihilation]

Well Mary, as someone who works at a big church and works close with the diocese, the majority of people who work at or with churches care more about money than they care about Jesus. The worst part is, since money is their biggest concern, they are constantly looking for new ways to try and manipulate members and outsiders out of money. It is absolutely disgusting.

[@marymcdaniel3883]

@@Baby.Annihilation Fortunately even the big-ish church where my husband and I met was still mostly focused on helping the community more than themselves. But we've been going to smaller and smaller churches for a long time. There's little to no money so the focus can't be money. It's also much easier to build fellowship with people because you aren't lost in a huge crowd, you can actually know each person you worship with.

[@TheYazmanian]

Do you have advice on how I should approach a childhood friend who has been manipulated through this fake faith? She's in a commercial cult now and I'm irked. I want to distant myself, but I also want to help without raining on her parade. UGH.

[@marymcdaniel3883]

@@TheYazmanian that's a really tough place to be, if you try to show her that she's involved in a falsehood she's probably going to double down. She might eventually come out of it because of the information you show her but your relationship could possibly be altered going forward from there. You might be able to stay friendly while refusing to get involved in it but they usually see that as a rejection or refusal to support them. The most honest thing to say might be "I love you and value your friendship, but something doesn't feel right about what you're involved in" but even that might be perceived as an attack. There's usually an extreme attachment and cognitive dissonance when people get into things like that. It might be best to stay arms-length with them and hope this runs it's course quickly, for their sake.

[@mimimonster]

Processed packaged snacks even if they’re balanced with protein/carbs ARE NOT PREVENTING the flu. Ugh. With this said, my mother lost 30 lbs on Optavia. But, she never thought it would prevent the flu. Whole food is always better than pre-packaged processed foods.

[@KG-VanityInKnickers]

"whole food is always better than pre-packaged foods"** This is SO true! Once I cut out prepackaged foods from my diet (beginning in my WW days as I never bought their prepackaged snacks), the weight just dropped off (I also don't use sugar or artificial sweeteners, just natural sugars from the fruit I eat). When I added exercise, it REALLY took off and I have kept it off over 20 years (ended up shedding a total of 112 lbs). And over the last 20 years I've seldom been sick.

[@willtroy1986]

@@KG-VanityInKnickers me as well. Although I don’t know what everyone else’s experience is, it changed by reality just by making those changes.

[@spokenwordpoetries]

@@KG-VanityInKnickers WOW!! Go you!!!

[@carolsummers8734]

I Lost 55 lbs by going low carbs for 10 months. So no snacks, sweets, wheat, Chinese, Italian and other high carb foods. No extra expense.

[@mommy2libras]

As to your last line, I'd say the exception being when you actually need to take in a certain number of calories and nutrients but have a hard time eating enough to make that happen. I've had issues for years with low appetite and then getting full quickly- I tend to not eat during the day just because I don't think to because I don't feel hungry and when I finally do, I might eat 5 or 6 bites and be done because I know if I keep going, I'll be in pain for hours. Which kind of sucks because I've enjoyed cooking since childhood still cook huge meals for my family and love food in general. But to try to get some more calories and nutrients in during the day, for years I'd drink Carnation instant breakfast (also what I'd give my kids in place of the occasional chocolate milk- more nutritional value than Nestlé Quik). In the past decade I'd switched to drinks like the Walmart brand of Ensure (just don't get the diet meal replacement ones or with added protein- both are gross). But a year or two ago I discovered Ka Chava and that stuff is great. Tons of great nutrition, all plant derived and while I don't have any restrictions, it has no soy, wheat, gluten, dairy and is GMO free. It seemed expensive at first but breaks down to about 5 bucks per serving/meal and I definitely notice when I skip having it. It has a lot of greens and veggies and fruits to support immune health and everything else but there's absolutely no way I could eat even half of what is in each serving if I were eating it in it's whole food form. My minor is in nutrition and if I learned anything, it's that while nutrients from whole foods may be more bioavailable/absorbable but it's always better to get the nutrition into your body even if to do so you have to get it in it's processed form. And no, not "vitamins" either. Most are garbage and regardless of what dosage is on the label, you're absorbing nowhere near that amount. Plus, there's no regulation at all in the vitamin and supplement industry other than basic FDA type regs. That said, I'd not think the supplements from any of these MLMs would be the best quality you could go for if you did decide to replace some meals with a shake or drink. Ensure is much cheaper, it still has the number of calories on each serving so you can control your intake and it is what doctors recommend to those who need to replace meals for medical reasons. You could use that just as easily and for much less money.

[@uutdiegodzilla3821]

Concerning that Rep sending a sales pitch on the day someone lost their child, let's hope she steps barefoot on a lego, and when the pain goes away, she'll step on it again. And then, when the pain goes away, step on it again, and so on, and so forth. Because she deserves to partake much more of the pain she so ruthlessly ignored for the benefit of her profit!

[@hailyjohnson407]

I hope the pain doesn't have time to go away, it just builds and gets worse

[@uutdiegodzilla3821]

@@hailyjohnson407 Also a good Idea! This person is really despicable. I cannot believe what being in an MLM company makes people do. 🙄

[@jules_111]

When you’re watching and look at the camera while Huns keep saying absurd stuff, just makes me feel like I’m in an office episode 😂 love these videos!

[@PacificallyYours]

Hahaha Jim-Hanna 🤣🤣

[@LauraOn26]

I was on Optavia until I found your videos. Luckily I was only about a month in and loosely did it so it didn’t damage my body. You can have these process foods but oh no you can’t have carrots because carrots have too many carbs 🙄

[@kateperry68]

Lol

[@BistrosHouse]

She’s right that improving your health doesn’t need to be all or nothing, in fact, it shouldn’t be!! But spending HUNDREDS a month on pre-packed overly processed foods that are not calorically significant enough is not the answer

[@anainesgonzalez8868]

I do not agree with the analysis of brands specialization because most of those brands are actually owned by a larger group (Johnson and Johnson, nestle, l oreal... ). There are VERY large groups that own PLENTY of companies and sell a very large variety of products. MLMs companies want to look like these large groups to seem more powerful

[@JoJo-vl8jb]

Great point!

[@rootintobeing]

"this is not a plan focused on health and wellness, this is a crash diet" Amen!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@DreamingCatStudio]

The Beachbody response was so callous, heartless, and devoid of all humanity. You said it-“Vile!”

[@theeclecticmemah]

Love how you told the Beach Body rep that you hope she steps on a Lego with her barefeet! And I kept tearing up when you said "I will not cry. I will not cry.! I watched Jessica's video as well! The rep was giving a headache cause I was trying to figure out what she was talking about!

[@karahendrick480]

The religion angle was how a certain clothing mlm got their hooks into me. I drank the Kool aid for a long time, and realizing it was a huge waste of time and money is sickening to look back on. But I felt like I was doing the work for a purpose bigger than myself so I stayed in for much longer than I would have if that hadn't been in my mind.

[@AnneIglesias]

Your explanation of the faith manipulation is so spot on, but it really hurts my heart. I’m so thankful I found you, but the company we were with dug their nails into me and my husband’s life for so long that we couldn’t see what I now find to be an obvious cult. My husband still won’t accept it. We went to every single conference for almost 7 years, being told every “Sunday service“ that this [ability to share the gospel] is the true reason the double Diamond organizer, built this business. I am still so disgusted and I feel so used and I can’t even talk about anti-MLM to my husband without him shutting down completely …maybe because he really doesn’t want to believe that he had dragged me into something that was never viable in the first place. I pray he’ll come around to listen eventually, but for now, I’ll continue to work on my own heart and recuperating. Thanks for your helpful videos as I prepare for that day. I just want him to see that it wasn’t his fault that we “failed” the “business.”

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

I guess as long as you let him know that your door to your heart is always open for him as you physically put some boundaries between yourself and what he did to you I hope that you both can get out and if you both can’t I hope to God that one of you does.

[@elisabethrankin7702]

I'm glad you saw the facts and got out. Your husband needs to know that being manipulated like that isn't his fault; they're good at that. I hope he can see that soon 🎄💙☃️

[@karenneill9109]

You didn’t fail, you did exactly what the business is designed to do. You’re very right to treat it like a cult, and I think your estimation that it’s hard for your husband to accept it is right on. I hope he figures out that when you fail, the only way you keep failing is if you let it interfere with the next aspiration. Don’t let them keep you down. If you try, you might fail. If you you don’t try, you’ll fail for sure. Learn from it, and then move on.

[@joannakowalska9247]

I am still upset that I felt for a cult, my highly educated parents felt for a cult and mlm. Doctor and mathematician. Internet and critical resources weren't available then. It is set up to go past all your defence systems. Also questioning things was never encouraged. Bowing down to political, religious, "business" authorities. Sending hugs

[@elisabethrankin7702]

@@joannakowalska9247 Don't feel bad; some of these people are highly gifted manipulators.

[@MaeMaeWorld]

I just saw a reel from a mom who let her 6 year old daughter shave half her head (who cares if the kids head is shaved) but anyway, it started cute then towards the end she said something like “I thought it was a phase but because I get to work from home through an amazing company I’m able to know who my daughter is. Join my team!” I gave the biggest eye roll lol

[@businessacc179]

I saw that too!! Such a stretch and misuse of a child’s style choice. Feels like a betrayal to the child, to share it on social media and to also use it as a recruiting pitch!

[@heezypeasy8611]

That's a weird way to plug a pyramid scheme 😳

[@0phelion]

Long-time subscriber and first-time commenter. I feel like you've gotten sassier since getting pregnant, and I mean that as a compliment! I admire your respect and civility towards all the people involved in your videos, but also appreciate the well-deserved vitriol you express for their antics. On another note, I'm in the first trimester of my first pregnancy and hearing you talk about the struggles of pregnancy makes me feel so validated. 🥰 Keep up the good work Hannah, and take care of yourself and your baby!

[@Momnpop98]

Prego hormones = Mama Bear defense of cubs. Baby girl will be well-versed on MLM's before kindergarten.

[@kar0047]

I love to see you getting sponsored by hellofresh!!! You go girl ☺️

[@larissabrglum3856]

It's a legitimately good service. My boyfriend isn't the most experienced cook and often struggles to come up with ideas for dinner, so Hellofresh is helpful on both fronts.

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[@kareenah.kreations]

I think the saying is “jack of all trades, master of none” totally applies here. Great video ad always Hannah ❤

[@virginiadare1587]

I audibly gasped when you read that Beach Body message.

[@mrsz1988]

Me too

[@maryeckel9682]

I yelled "WHAT?" so loudly my cat jumped off my lap.

[@samanthaquant7411]

As a devout Christian for many years, these faith manipulations boil my blood.

[@acatnamedm4529]

Hi Hannah! Hope you and everyone here is well. This is a genuine greeting, I have no random diet products to sell you.

[@ammalyrical5646]

As anwer to your question if my shampoo brand sells facial cleansers and protein powder: Yes, they do sell facial cleasers, also tooth paste also deodorant, skincare, and lipbalm. No protein powder though. Isn't this regular? Almost every brand I know that makes shampoo also makes other skin care items, and often enough cosmetics too.

[@stoppit9]

Discount brands like Suave diversify. Actual hair care specialists do not

[@MsCarolM]

Another usually silent viewer here🙂 I came across your channel a few weeks ago, and I've been binge watching like crazy. I've been interested in helping people avoid scammers for decades (yes, I'm THAT old) and am currently signed up as a volunteer with AARP's Digital Fraud Watch Network (I told you I was THAT old) 🙂I can remember MLMs dating back to around the 70s like Tupperware, Avon, Mary Kay (I used to be a "personal use consultant"). The other day, I remembered another one that was big "back in the day" - Sarah Coventry Jewelry. I've been approached on Facebook about a few that I haven't come across yet on your channel (then again, I'm a newbie here), but which seem to fit the criteria. Rodan and Fields, Jeunesse, Ever Skin Care and Stella and Dot. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to binge-watching more videos. PS - Zeke and Cooper are really fun to watch! You're a great cat mama!

[@Joanna-hq2el]

The saddest part about the woman offering $5000 as a Christmas bonus to the struggling mom is that a struggling mom is going to spend her last hundred dollars to buy the starter pack and is going to be in an even worse situation for Christmas and that mlm rep couldn’t care less about those kids or their mom. It’s so predatory and sickening.

[@rayluby6659]

Lmao the first one basically ‘I feel sick but I’m not sick’

[@momoblood]

Saying that you went to Disneyland and took photo with Mickey will get you more "woah" reactions than a hun with whoever dude happens to be scamming them

[@djs2182]

I would imagine that after a stillbirth you would want to hold onto any reminders of the baby and pregnancy including changes in your body from pregnancy and birth. To assume she wants to bounce back is completely invalidating of the loss.

[@melissacoviello2886]

I went to the Christmas (holiday) party for my husband’s company this weekend and while we did have a moment of silence this time, it was specific to the fact that one of the employees passed away a few weeks ago and 2 of the superintendents were there when it happened. It was a devastating loss for my husband’s team. The company came together and raised $14,000 for his family in just 2 weeks and we have all pooled together to help as much as possible. But normally it’s just a party where most get drunk and we all dance and have fun (grateful I’m sober and don’t act a fool in front of the big bosses), but I cannot even fathom a prayer service taking place, it is absolutely outrageous. It should be fully illegal to alienate any “employee” who is not a Christian with something that specific.

[@PacificallyYours]

Yes. And making it seem like you’re spreading untruths by believing in something different. They get so damning when threatened.

[@ericasnyder5109]

The beachbody message literally has me stunned….

[@gigi2k326]

Wow! That BB coach message was really disgusting 🤢

[@cozycasasmr4510]

Shaming someone's "mom bod" is such a disgusting thing to do

[@hannahreimer1362]

As a Christian, I find the amount of times religion and mlm companies intersect to be super cringey. Please know we are not all like that.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

I've once heard an MLM CEO say "God sent you here" I'm like what ?

[@mamaya311]

Anybody who wants you to "hear what's in their hearts" is trying to emotionally manipulate you. True vulnerability is never announced without an ulterior motive.

[@milkteamachine]

I feel like if anything, being on a starvation diet with highly processed food makes it more likely to catch a flu, not the opposite.

[@aerialcrowley]

Omg Hannah! My husband just got scammed into going to an mlm event for an e commerce company and he can't stop laughing. He's floored and I'm excited and hoping to get him to email you his story cause I think it would be a good addition and it's one more targeted I think to men.

[@elizabethwillis885]

It seems like the insurance MLMs target men.

[@themischief420]

the consistency with which you post is astonishing, i hope you're not running yourself ragged 😄

[@sylvialucero5074]

This is so random, but I finally sent in to deactivate my Colorstreet account; I'd been inactive for the past few years, but with the helps of your content finally decided to separate myself completely, especially because at this rate I'm just losing money paying the monthly website fee! Funniest thing though, when I emailed support I simply said I wanted to deactivate my account and to let me know if there was anything else I needed to do on my end. The response back started with, "We're so sorry to hear about your husband's health!" Girl...I'm not married and even if I was I said nothing to hint at that in my email! At least it gave me a good laugh! Anyways, thanks Hannah for your awesome content!

[@julknowl]

Literally half my coworkers, including leadership, are LDS and I’ve never had them say ANYTHING remotely religious.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

“I’m not a vampire. I’m definitely not going to drink your blood, but if you’re sad because the vampire who used to feed off of you got staked, I’m always available.” Seriously, the phony altruism is what gets me. These MLMs encourage you to shed your conscience and empathy.

[@miaomiaochan]

Love this vampire analogy, because what are MLMs but vampire covens that feed off of the desperation and hope of vulnerable women rather than their blood?

[@meganschaff7065]

I’m so grateful I’m watching these videos through the lens of truth. The woman belittling moms who “can’t give their poor children a great Christmas” makes me cringe. My heart goes out to the mommas that she’s puttting guilt and sadness on, and even more so for the ones she’s putting false hope into by joining her miracle business.

[@Kimmiejoy88]

Oh my gosh I audibly gasped when you read the miscarriage one. The freaking audacity!

[@Bapphie]

I love how I'll usually get "beware of false prophets" from people similar but then when a false prophet is actually around them they completely forget that.

[@susanstranahan21]

Your question was: how many work conventions have we attended where a church service was included ? I'm 57 years old, have been to 100s of work conventions. The answer is zero.

[@kellylacy549]

It's like Christmas when I get a notification that a new Hannah video is up! I'm home with a sick, sleeping kid today, so I'm about to run to my coach with a blanket, turn on the fire, and dive into this!

[@swan-neck]

20:38 “The heartbeat behind the company is real.” I wonder if Monat is now legally a person in Alabama.

[@TheHomegirlHealer]

Hi Hannah! I hate to be contrarian, but Rodan and Fields going into hair care as a company started by dermatologists is not a stretch since dermatologists also treat issues of the hair and scalp. I remember buying Rodan and Fields when they were an ACTUAL company, it sucks to see they sank so low as to become an MLM 😩

[@PhD_Teacher_Ed]

Are you lost? Do you even go here?

[@TheHomegirlHealer]

@@PhD_Teacher_Ed I can’t have an opinion? You couldn’t have kept scrolling past my comment?

[@JamesQMurphy]

@Homegirl Healer You’re totally right - much of the science is the same. One other example is Procter & Gamble; they make both hair care and skin care products.

[@amymckay23]

@@PhD_Teacher_Ed What?

[@tab8896]

Since I started watching your videos I've become much more aware of how prevalent they are. I saw an old friend at the gas station and of course I had to look them up on fb lol when I did I found that he used to sell thrive and now him and his wife sell herbalife! Lord have mercy

[@juliahaugaard7096]

I’m sorry … WHAT? How disgusting to prey on someone who had a stillbirth! That’s a low I was hoping they would never get to.

[@rachelsmith6820]

Being in optavia they have told me to stop taking vitamins and that my AC1 would automatically be lowered. I had a blood draw and I came up with a higher AC1 on plan and a vitamin deficiency!

[@beepboop449]

i love how generous MLM huns are…they just always wanna share with us! 😂

[@carolsummers8734]

It looks like as soon as a convention ends, those women rush to their vehicles to gush about all the news from the convention to their downline.

[@katherinelove1073]

Usually a silent viewer but I just wanted to say that I love and appreciate your content so much ❤ perfect timing since I just got back home from uni (I’m in the UK) hope you have a great day Hannah

[@janabomersbach4466]

I appreciate that your church employer can employ an administrator that is not necessarily of the same faith community. That alone gives me a positive thought of the congregation.

[@toby-jeanne_almy]

Uhh.. proctor and Gamble literally has everything under the sun 😂 not to mention other giants like them.. so yes, just about any shampoo you buy at Walmart will also fall under the same company that makes plastic cups lol

[@JamesQMurphy]

Yep… Pantene and Olay. (And Tide. And Pampers. And Ivory. And Mr. Clean. And Old Spice. Yeah I used to work for P&G long, long ago 😂)

[@AshatHome]

I had an ED as a teenager and optivia is an overpriced way to start an ED. Not good at all. I'm 37 and thankfully kicked my ED long ago but as a mom of 2 teenage daughters I see companies like this targeting the insecurities of others and it is so vile. Weight does not equal health. I am down 75lbs from my highest weight but still have chronic pain from fibromyalgia. Like I tell my teens love the body you have and do what makes you feel the best💜

[@flapjack4579]

yeah seriously. I had an ED when I was a teen and I did it myself for FREE. if i get a mental illness, i’m sure as hell not gonna PAY for it!!! that’s doubly stupid and terrible

[@reidleblanc3140]

fibro sucks!

[@thepopslice]

Hannah, your pregnancy glow in this video is dazzling. You look amazing!

[@mspolicecall]

I do want to stop you in clip 4. Its completely normal for companies to expand their product lines. Think about procter and gamble. On my counter I have Crest toothpaste and Tide laundry detergent in my basement.

[@AlexisBKenn]

Okay slight counter- the ordinary (non-MLM company) now has hair care, after primarily being a skincare company. To me, this does make sense since hair, skin, and nails have a lot of crossover interest and dermatologists are trained in all 3 as well. Still think it’s a cash grab for mlms but just wanted to make a case for non-mlms to diversify.. since I think it CAN be done right in some circumstances ☺️

[@graciepeanutpi7537]

I was going to say the same thing. Only a slight niggle. I was thinking of companies like Garnier who do skin and hair care

[@AlexisBKenn]

@@graciepeanutpi7537 so true! Now that I’m thinking drugstore there are actually a lot! Great point ☺️

[@graciepeanutpi7537]

I mean, it’s definitely less common with higher end brands, I think, but not unheard of

[@graciepeanutpi7537]

And that “niggle” wasn’t directed at you, just to the idea in general LOL

[@JamesQMurphy]

Big companies do it. Procter & Gamble has shampoo and skin care.

[@autumnmoyet2531]

I am absolutely disgusted by the beach body message to the mother who just had a stillborn. Absolutely deplorable. 😭

[@Kika3939]

I literally make soap, shampoo, conditioner, bath bombs, skincare, etc. And yes I am an expert in it all since I research, develop, and test my recipes my self. Although I do get where you are coming from. The standard MLM rep isn’t going to always have the proper product knowledge when companies have such varied inventories. Especially when pitching the opportunity and overcoming objection is their main focus. So it does end up being an obvious money grab. Other than that, great info as always Hannah.

[@brittneyzarwel6242]

OMG. Hannah. That "I hope you step on a Lego & w your bare feet" comment to the Beachbody Hun on the Reddit post was seriously the best insult I think I've ever heard. That's like for real wishing serious karma.

[@citychicken9949]

I felt like my stomach was going to come out of my mouth with that Beachbodi message. How absolutely repulsive!! I dont care how many brain cells you lost to your MLM, YOU DONT TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT! I can't even imagine the unrelenting pain that mother must have been experiencing. I know she was not thinking about getting her "body back." Im sure she would have given everything that she had to keep her baby body if it meant she could keep her child. I hope she's getting help and support to work through the pain ❤.

[@SM-ic9xy]

Worked for a Christian daycare, all of us were Christian’s (top to bottom). There was no push to ever go to the owners church, just that you go to a church regularly. My boss would often ask how can I pray for you the functions we did for team building or things like bowling and going to the beach

[@krisdiane]

I totally agree with you about the reasons why mlms branch off in to other products, but it is not uncommon at all for legit brands to do this too. It's actually the norm. They will typically make a new "brand" name for the new sort of product, but not always. And sometimes there is no relation between the products at all. For instance, 3m - as in the tape company - also makes many of the products used in dental offices. They make fluoride treatments and the composite used for fillings. Lol around their website. It's kinda weird.

[@DracoTriste]

The women “refusing to be vultures” just accidentally admitted that the independent consultants in MLMs are prey. If they had a legitimate job to offer, they could offer it directly to those needing employment without preying on them. But if talking directly to someone about an MLM opportunity is predatory, then MLMs are predatory. They don’t have jobs to offer and they know it. They have money pits to sink others into for their own benefit- AND THEY KNOW IT.

[@citychicken9949]

I work for a legitimate small business where most of us are Christians, and half of my office goes to the same church as I do.. we have never held a church service during a corporate meeting, LOL. AND I see the president and owner of my company every day and sometimes on the weekends because we go to the same church.. I love the owner, but you will never see me fangirling over her lolol

[@amyelizabeth135]

Someone commented on Erin bies recent video saying her family msmber has been on optavia for a while and they're super sick now apparently

[@pantaleimona]

The final mlm rep lost me once she stated having just returned from golfing. Our kids are long grown and on their own, so we aren't financially struggling as we once were. However, if someone leads with, "I just got home from golfing...", my internal response is, "You are financially out of touch. Period." Clearly judgmental on my part. But I still cannot.

[@elisabethrankin7702]

I wouldn't say it's judgemental, necessarily. More like you're using critical and logical thinking.

[@kconway2263]

The proper response to the hun messaging the mom who lost her baby is F- you (uncensored, of course) followed by blocking the person. These MLM’s twist people’s minds. They need to be reminded what’s socially acceptable behavior and what’s callous.

[@aribigbucks]

Hi Hannah, I don’t know if you know but I recently found out from an MLM rep on i stag tan that QSciences is launching in Japan! It breaks my heart to think a whole new batch of people who I don’t think have had MLM’s in their country before could be taken advantage of because they have no idea what it is 😢

[@katiemaloney2364]

Just popping in to say thanks for always having consistently great content. I put your videos on to listen to while I do housework, dishes, laundry etc and I love the company and commentary! ❤ appreciate you!

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

I have heard the stillbirth story before. Ugh! No words can describe the horror of such a message, the complete disgrace. You have to be brainwashed to think such a message is okay.

[@annea.4173]

Nothing would turn me off a company of any sort faster than doing praise and worship at their convention. Yikes.

[@mcb4544]

Hi Hannah! I love your videos. Just a quick comment: I think it’s very normal for brands to try and expand to other types of products (haircare to skincare/gummies/etc.). It happens fairly often with brands. In the context of MLMs i do agree it’s a way to grab more money, but in regular businesses it’s pretty common practice. Have a nice day ❤❤❤

[@MilkyMinded]

I was thinking this too! Don’t want to give any MLMers “ammunition” to discredit *everything* Hannah is saying off of one point. But yea, many “traditional” brands are going from makeup to skincare to hair care & back again. There are examples of huge brands doing this-like L’Oréal- but also “smaller” brands like Fenty Beauty, Huda Beauty, The Ordinary… just to name a few!❤

[@moonbeamknight90]

Why would you need to meet the President and CEO if you are the CEO of your own company?

[@annekimberling2825]

I think that you are more sassy during pregnancy, love it ❤️

[@JWells5501]

Wow…that beachbody coach. That is the worst ever!

[@isabellhell]

I've seen a lot of MLMs popping up in a local Facebook group. Both selling and recruiting. I have no spine and scares of conflict so I dare not call them out...So I report the posts to the admin everytims.

[@TylertheMiller]

I work for a fairly large medical device company and have been to all-employee conferences where the CEO spoke and presented. Not a single person reacts to the CEO the way these huns do.

[@shanncimakasky6836]

I love how Monat is a hair care MLM, yet they all wear hats

[@SaltedMoose]

I teared up over the 'mum-bod' message. That's just cruel. Like you said, vile and inappropriate.

[@jes6427]

Lol im in sales, so I am surrounded by ppl in thede MLMs, and know so many people who have been in them for 5+ years failing and failing... its so sad

[@rachelcarper9297]

Just want to point out lots of non mlm brands branch out to other products. Dove for instance sells deodorant, hair products, skin products, hand soap. Also I love your videos. I found them after joining Norwex and pretty much ended my journey before ever really starting thanks to them!

[@krk6216]

I can sympathize with the indecision about what to eat for both you Hannah and some of the moms that fall prey to MLMs. My ADHD really makes me struggle with the executive function and decision fatigue involved in putting a meal on the table.

[@jademack7199]

I feel optiva call their stuff 'fuelings' because they can't legally called food.

[@kleah80]

I know this video is old but I don’t know where to comment on this topic on any new videos. I am in no way promoting MLMs but I must say the argument that some legit brands don’t go into different areas of business just isn’t true. Like hair care to skin care. There are so many legit brands that are in many areas, for example off the top of my head: suave (hair and skin care), ELF (skincare and makeup), Shea Moisture (hair and skin care, baby lines, pet lines, AND makeup). I’ve seen you bring up this point in a few videos I’ve been binging and felt I should bring this point up that it may be a bit flawed argument and I don’t want an MLM hun to see that and run with it. Hope this helps!

[@scriptorpaulina]

Hannah “stay in your lane” Yamaha “ahahahaha no”