Model 3 Refresh First Drive - The Tesla To Get Or Is Model Y Still King?

[@brandenflasch]

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[@mowcowbell]

I ended up ordering a '24 Model Y Long Range, stealth grey, partial white interior for $41.5K. Well under the price of the Model 3 refresh Long Range since it doesn't qualify for the $7500 tax credit. Should be delivered next week. Call me old-fashioned, but I really must have the steering wheel stalks.

[@brandenflasch]

Great choice! Hopefully you used a referral.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

I suggest buying the new tesla innovation hares at this point as they are relatively neap and are sure to yield dividends soon

[@Lost_In_LA]

No stalk, signal buttons on the steering wheel makes more sense to me with a steer-by-wire wheel or yoke that doesn't make full revolutions.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@Lost_In_LA what Tesla model do you own?

[@Fumbiii16]

Should have waited for the juniper model Y. You got an outdated car and the new one will have better efficiency and specs all around better with better tech

[@cellman1829]

I placed my order for the new M3 LR stealth grey black interior 🎉🎉 first EV. I love the tech, minimalism, stalkless design it's futuristic.

[@brandenflasch]

You’ll love it!

[@iamworthy1302]

I got mines a few weeks ago, you'll love it

[@Thalassophile-ll3ll2kn2x]

Tesla definitely should try to offer the Stalks as an option based on the number of complaints I have heard. I certainly prefer the buttons. I change between left hand and right hand drive travelling in different Countries/Jurisdictions and I am always hitting the wrong stalk and messing things up so the buttons get rid of that issue. I kind of think the world of driving is changing and will be changing over the coming decade. Not sure what will happen so I am just watching and going along for the ride.

[@BrandonDoyleMN]

The interior cabin noise was noticeably quieter & ride smoother than my model 3, but I agree the model Y is still the best option for most people

[@carlosorff]

How does it compare to your Model Y, especially in terms of cabin noise and comfort? Is the Model Y as quiet as the Highland 3 or not? I’m deciding between the Highland 3 and the Model Y. I like how quiet the new Model 3 is, but I think it might be too small for me, as I currently drive a Touareg. The Touareg is similar in size to the Model Y. The seating position feels similar, just a bit more spacious and slightly higher, though not as low as in the Model 3. I’d really appreciate your response or feedback from anyone else who has compared the two.

[@laloajuria4678]

weird didnt realize the pricing. MY should be the go to answer for 80+% i agree.

[@slyguyaction]

I'm weird but, I really enjoy the Auto-Shift From Park in our 2023 Model X Plaid. And, call me kooky but, I'm in love with the Yoke, its capacitive turn signal buttons and no stalks. I know, I know - weird. Great video Branden!!

[@brandenflasch]

You have to double check every time that it selected the right direction vs with a stalk you can mindlessly go into the correct direction

[@slyguyaction]

@@brandenflasch, I look at the screen to ensure which gear I selected in the 3 but mostly because I was too fast and even with the stalk, no gear was selected but I get a loud warning about "Autosteer not available" as if I was requesting Autopilot instead of Drive. I always look to see which gear in both cars. Guess I have trust issues.

[@StBernardFan]

I got a 2023 MX in Nov 2023 and I have gotten used to no stocks except for the wipers… I end up using the mic and saying wipers on low or something. Seems odd to me that they couldn’t have made the wipers a capacitive button. Oh well, over all i’m happy coming from a 2018 MX as the new one is smoother riding, much quieter and no paint nibs on the hood! Fit and finish was excellent except for a trim piece on the inside of drivers door.

[@WinstonsGarage]

The Model Y is more practical, but it's not that fun to drive. The Model 3 is 10x more fun to drive than the Y. Stalks are great, but auto shift out of park works really well like you showed. The turn signal buttons are a pain though. It took me about an hour to get used to though.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

You own the model 3?

[@brandenflasch]

They’re both fun to drive IMP

[@jayppop3333]

What makes it more fun to drive

[@zachlafond2652]

Brendan--drove a Highland and a 2024 model y rwd at the maplewood, mn dealership this weekend. The highland isn't worth the upgrade imo, but we did like the rear screen, smoother ride. One other thing i noticed (rwd model) was motor noise (loud whine) when you floored it (something i don't notice in my rwd LFP 2023 model 3). The rwd model y was nice (1st time driving a model y). I liked the seating position/space..it was slower than rwd model 3 (very noticeable off the line), but once it got moving it had plenty of go.

[@brandenflasch]

Worth upgrading over an early Model 3 but not a newer 3/Y

[@mp3mike237]

While the 2023 Model Y RWD had a software locked LR pack, the 2024 Model Y RWD does not. It seems to have a smaller 2170 based pack that isn't software limited. The 2024 also has some option stripped/reduced like the sound system. (The 2023 was an *excellent* deal with full sound system. etc..)

[@brandenflasch]

Do you have any source to cite for that? Even still, a smaller 2170 pack is still totally fine.

[@brandenflasch]

I checked with one of my sources and it’s still software limited

[@mp3mike237]

@@brandenflasch There is a thread on TMC where it is discussed. (KZbin doesn't let me post links.) They were using imported LR packs from China for the 2023s, and those don't qualify for the tax credit. So, they had to switch to a different pack for the 2024s to qualify. (It probably took a while to start up production of a new size of pack.) You can also look at the EPA test results to see it is ~66.5kWh. (People reported that the 2023s let you access about 70kWh.)

[@brandenflasch]

@mp3mike237 I was able to get confirmation from a Tesla contact on a vehicle built a few days ago

[@rogershark9223]

I prefer stalkless, I think you just need to get used to it.

[@brandenflasch]

You shouldn’t need to get used to the basic controls

[@rogershark9223]

@@brandenflasch That's saying the giant touchscreen in the car was a bad idea because you were not used to it. Don't be afraid of change!

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@rogershark9223what Tesla model do you own?

[@rogershark9223]

@@_nosikeuzoma1456 2018 M3 RWD

[@barryw9473]

With Supercharger access coming for most other vehicles very soon, I think Tesla's vehicle advantage will be less than it was in the past.

[@brandenflasch]

They’re still hard to beat as daily drivers. Other cars do some things better but it’s hard to beat the overall package of a Tesla

[@barryw9473]

​@@brandenflasch That's fair. I daily drive an e-Golf (67,000 miles over 6 six years, about 10% capacity degredation) and love having stalks on the steering column and a driver's display, and that I can fit two road bikes inside the car (with careful positioning and towels). I am going to rent a Hertz Model 3 later this week so I can spend three days in one and see if I change my mind.

[@brandenflasch]

I suspect you’ll like it. Make sure to setup the app.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@barryw9473 I suggest buying the new tesla innovation hares at this point as they are relatively neap and are sure to yield dividends soon

[@Mada_1337]

Own both a Model Y and 3. The Model 3 is so low to the ground your have to fall into it. Cannot count the number of times I hit seatbelt pillar and knock that piece of trim out of place. Does the Model 3 refresh have a splitter camera (camera low on the front fascia)? I have driven other cars with a low front camera and makes parking, and hopefully not curbing it, so much easier. Was weird that Tesla with all their cameras did not have one up there.

[@brandenflasch]

Nope, no front lower cam

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

I suggest buying the new tesla innovation hares at this point as they are relatively neap and are sure to yield dividends soon

[@mjmherts]

I own a 2023 MYP personally and for business use a 2024 M3H RWD . Got used to no stalks and actually like the gear selection for pulling away . Great efficiency too , averaging 4.5 miles per kw/h . However I still prefer the MY as a car and would choose the current model y over the equivalent highland ! Also I can confirm the auto wipers are worse than my model y , absolutely unusable

[@PraiseYAyoupeople]

I agree, No stalks - no bueno

[@martinbusler7416]

Very helpful. Do you think the ride is better on the Model 3 Refresh then the current Model Y?

[@brandenflasch]

Maybe marginally. Not enough to matter.

[@Interbeing_CDN]

We just drove the M3 refresh and MY LR back to back today and I can tell you that without a doubt the M3 Refresh rides much better than the current MY.

[@brandenflasch]

@Interbeing_CDN I’d say much better is a stretch

[@iamworthy1302]

​@@brandenflaschit's not even debatable. I live next Boston and I can't feel popholes or bumpy roads nearly as much. Nice quiet ride, no creaking and the resale value will be great as it prob won't get a face lift for another 5 years

[@cgamiga]

Nice review, on the interior... @1:48 I also noted (and hated) the moved stitching on steering wheel, from inside to the back, right under your fingers, and the threads feel rougher too. Annoying. But, you didn't review the driving much? Man, the improved suspension/quiet ride is NICE though! Hope they can get the same in Model Y next year... that improved comfort ride is 80% of the reason to get a Highland 3 instead. The new tech is nice, but most is in other new cars... and with no $7.5k tax credit, ouch

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

What Tesla model do you own?

[@cgamiga]

@@_nosikeuzoma1456 2018 Model3 LR - RWD

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@cgamiga are you a shareholder?

[@AndreFarrar]

No stalks and, to some extent, yoke steering are to annoy us into purchasing FSD.

[@brandenflasch]

FSD doesn’t solve for either

[@minlou4639]

Im ok with them removing two of the doors too if they want and removing the the trunk for a hatchback look.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

What Tesla model do you own?

[@minlou4639]

@@_nosikeuzoma1456 I don’t own a Tesla.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@minlou4639 I was wondering if could suggest to you I buying the new tesla innovation shares at this point as they are relatively neap and are sure to yield dividends soon…. Are you down?

[@Paul-cj1wb]

Branden, you need to edit out the "$2,500 cheaper" reference. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that. You did say, $7,500 rebate, but then said it makes it "$2,500 cheaper."

[@brandenflasch]

Model Y RWD after $7500 rebate is $2500 cheaper than Model 3 RWD that isn’t eligible for $7500

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@brandenflasch Ah. Sorry about that. I'll leave the comment in case others misunderstand it like I did. Thanks for the clarification. My fault.

[@simplygregsterev]

So much truth about the b pillar 😂

[@mdorobantu]

Hi Brandon. Do you notice any charging curve improvement for your standard range MY? I have the same model.

[@brandenflasch]

No improvement at all

[@mdorobantu]

@@brandenflasch thanks

[@mdorobantu]

@@brandenflasch thanks

[@otterc.9337]

What is the downside of the 4680 battery pack?

[@brandenflasch]

Poor charging. I have a bunch of videos about it

[@otterc.9337]

@@brandenflasch Thank you. I will check those out

[@boilerdown1]

Do all Model Ys come with Hardware Version 4 at this point?

[@brandenflasch]

Yes

[@johnpoldo8817]

Brandon, why are you so surprised about the difficulty of no stalks? Have you not test driven model S/X? They haven’t had stalks for about 2 years. Agree, Tesla should have an option to bring them back. I would buy it.

[@brandenflasch]

It’s been a while so I forgot how annoying it was

[@libertykrueger1433]

The S3XY buttons people are making a retrofit set of stalks for the Tesla models that don’t come with them.

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

I am definitely going to keep my 2018 Dual Motor Model 3. Brandon, I’m surprised that you didn’t mention that the trunk does not raise up far enough for you and your are going to hit your head a lot on the trunk’s latch, because I found it annoying on my test of the new Model 3 and I’m 6” shorter than you. I would bet money that the new Model 3 is cheaper for Tesla to manufacture because they count every penny and I’m sure that’s why the stalks are gone.

[@brandenflasch]

That’s just a given being a sedan

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@brandenflasch I’m sorry, I forgot something. I was thinking about my manual trunk lid and how it can open to a full 90°. I’ve heard others complain that this new Model 3’s automatic trunk lid does not open as far as the previous model’s 3’s automatic trunk lid. I’m sorry that I messed up my comment. There’s certainly no comparison to a hatchback’s head clearance and the ease of entry and exiting the Model Y’s the passenger doors.

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

I suggest buying the new tesla innovation hares at this point as they are relatively neap and are sure to yield dividends soon

[@_nosikeuzoma1456]

@@mitchellbarnow1709are you a shareholder?

[@toddbenfield6546]

So not much better than the 23 Model 3🤔got a deal on a 23 red multi coat with 19” wheels with 500 miles for $29,990 OTD

[@brandenflasch]

Worth upgrading from an older 3, but not a recent 3

[@tomrybold2116]

how tall are oyu Branden

[@brandenflasch]

6’3”

[@tomrybold2116]

thanks you i only 6'1

[@tomrybold2116]

thanks you i only 6'1

[@diangelorocks]

This is the most nitpicking video I've ever watched. Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. I'm sorry dude but you are complaining about non-issues. People listen,,,,,, we have to adapt to change. You can't complain about minor things that just takes a few weeks to get used to. Did you get used to using a touchscreen phone? Did you get used to flat screen televisions? Did you get used to having Wifi as apposed to plugging in a network cable? Did you get used to using wireless headphones? Did you get used to digital cameras? In my opinion I would be complaining about things in a car NOT working. I wouldn't be complaining about things simply being different from what I'm used to. Otherwise just stay in your old car if you prefer being familiar with something rather than adjusting to an improved product. I'm commenting because you suggested I do so.

[@dennissabo1711]

Everybody complaining about no stocks. OMG Don't ever get a motorcycle. What will you do? Get used to it folks. Embrace change.

[@liam1902]

8:48 - Wait, that is true? If so, can you link where the IRS issued that guidance? That seems insane to me that if a person doesn't make enough money to have a $7.5k federal tax liability, then the IRS will still give them the $7.5k POS discount and not go after that person when they file taxes the subsequent year. IMO, that seems kinda sad because a person who can clearly afford the car (passes income limit threshold) will get penalized for trying to claim the POS discount while a person who prob can't afford the car at all (doesn't have $7.5k federal tax liability) can just freely take advantage of the discount. The income limit restriction definitely hurts single people so much whereas married couples shouldn't have any issue.

[@brandenflasch]

Here’s a reference: x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1740432712152789314?s=20

[@liam1902]

@@brandenflasch Thanks so much for this! Definitely going to check it out cause my folks would have to reduce their pre-tax retirement contribution to make sure they have at least a $7.5k federal tax liability. If that's not the case, then they could just keep it the same and not have to worry about the IRS wanting some of their credit money back.

[@ChosenMJ]

Dude everything annoys you. Not a great way to live but hey it’s your life thank goodness.

[@brandenflasch]

I’m very happy actually

[@ChosenMJ]

@@brandenflasch I never questioned your happiness. That’s actually none of my business but if you say so then fantastic.

[@virgillkevin5207]

Let's whine, you are the only person who matters

[@yellowknife89]

shit review

[@brandenflasch]

How so?