Chris Williamson Confesses To Douglas Murray About Sargon Of Akkad Episode

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@MrAmbrosse]

Stop reposting clips of interviews imo. I've had to unsub as I'm getting spammed with stuff I already watched.

[@wb5036]

@max I missed it. I was glad to see it. Despite that, your comment is valid.

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[@kritiosboy]

Recently subscribed myself - KZbin was very persistent with recommending your videos which I am grateful for.

[@rath6599]

+1, good sir. Up you go

[@idleobserver7211]

"I'd become so ignorant as to where the goalposts were, I didn't even know what game I was playing." That is the explicit goal of both Critical Theory and communist subversion tactics.

[@hrvad]

I absolutely love that quote. Thanks for transcribing it.

[@ChrisWillx]

It’s scary. I pride myself on independent thought and upon reflection had been miles away from accuracy there.

[@danholo]

They use your compassion and good will.

[@idleobserver7211]

@@danholo As per "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky.

[@northernsoul4477]

Exactly! Same with the Arts - loads of unintelligible guff written to explain why something is 'good', when it patently isn't!

[@JCJW101]

As an ex Guardian reader I can confirm what Douglas is saying, they often lie or omit facts deliberately to skew a narrative their way and once you see it you question every story and the whole organisation loses credibility and you only read it in a "Wtf are they saying now" now way.

[@tubetorpedo]

That is the usual way media lies, lying by omission because that way they can always appeal to ignorance. What are anyone going to do, sue them over of not knowing something? You cannot have evidence of what someone knew or did not know at the time. One somewhat recent example e.g. has been when media have been blaming Joe Rogan over spreading vaccine misinformation (part of Neil Young debacle). But what is noticeable that whenever Rogan got accused of that, rare if any main stream media article ever hinted where he had gotten that "vaccine misinformation" from. Maybe because his source for it had been... the Guardian. the Guardian sep 2021 _"Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study"_ Which is so called respected main stream media outlet so they rather leave that out when they accuse Rogan because then their smears would hit Guardian too. Rogan was referring to that study in his podcast, but he did not know that after he had read about it, some numbers in that study have been retracted. Main point been that Rogan got attacked because of "dangerous misinformation" which he had learned from the main stream media. Somehow there is no demands to cancel every MSM outlet that has at some point published something that is later debunked. Because that would shut down EVERY media outlet there is. But at same time media is demanding that singular podcaster, Rogan should have even more stricter standards that any media corporation can adhere to. Other ways media spreads falsehoods is to e.g. make quote, but totally ignore the context. One recent case was to say that Trump called Putin as genius (which is true), but when you read/listen the whole bit it's obviously sarcasm, e.g. the bit _".That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen."_. I think Douglas might also have said (could be some other person also) about media that 'they are factual, but not truthful', because if you leave half of the story out, even if you are listing factual things, you can spin the story 180 degrees to another way. Man A punched man B might be a fact, but if you do not also tell that 10 second before that, man B sucker punched A, it creates totally different narrative of what had happened. And many times media e.g. spreads around carefully edited videos which only show very selective bits.

[@ZKEUS]

Not that I don't believe what you're saying, but do you have an example of this? Multiple examples?

[@mrelba9176]

"White racist can't hack being held to the standard they've held black people to 1% of the time they've subject others to" is what you meant to say. This isn't about all white people. It's about white people in power trying to maintain old racist standards, and the working class deluded right wing folks angry about shit in their own lives, substituting personal growth with "black people are all back because they commit more crime...and they're IQs are lower, and they're all stupid and will probably rape you". Dude, if we were that bad, the entire planet would be destroyed. You say we all think that white people are all racist and responsible for everything bad on Earth (please find evidence that this is mainstream thought among black people)...Yet 2 seconds looking at the comments section of a Sargon or Lotus Eaters video show you who ACTUALLY holds these views. It's not my black family (many are with white folks. I am half white too) it's not black folks that I know. The same way I don't hold white people genetically responsible for racism, do not hold me genetically responsible for crime I am no where near. Piss off with your projection.

[@ZEROINXS79]

It's laughable you would say this about Douglas when he tried to RUIN people who push his Strange Death of Europe, there's nothing 'strange' about it, it's literally pushed by Jews

[@BonusHole]

I used to date a Guardian Journalist. Top priority for The Guardian and any paper, is advertising revenue. The first thing they do is place the adverts and that dictates which articles get placed where if they get placed at all. They frequently have Intelligence prevent them from publishing perfectly legitimate journalism. Half the staff there used sexual favours to get ahead in high places. The other half are diversity hires to please the readership. They are an entity of subversion. My ex turned out to be a stalker as well.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Honestly, good in you for being honest and straightforward. You didn't have to admit a mistake, but you did, publicly. That takes character, and courage. You're growing. It's good to see. Keep it up lad.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you

[@kaiserchief9319]

"....If I was a young man or young woman , growing up with an ordinary level of incuriosity..." Describes every single "friend" I have. I hate my friends a lot. I literally cry that they are the only ones I have right now. Yes, I know I can make new ones but it's bloody hard finding curious people. University did a number on most of us. I only escaped this woke mentality by what I can only describe as the grace of God.

[@robjob9052]

I feel that pain.

[@leebrown1049]

Describes everyone I work with

[@Teasehirt]

Well done for escaping - keep calling it out.

[@burntreynolds1068]

Mm, I feel you. I'm a traditional working man with an interest in history, literature, and the arts. Most fellows in my line of work are immature, can not hold an adult conversation, and have zero intellectual curiosity. It's nice to be back around people and working, but they're not my people. It's depressing really.

[@cadeeaker9403]

How did you escape it or come to the realization?

[@nicknewey6152]

I enjoy listening to Douglas Murray. He always gets his viewpoint across in a way I couldn't

[@RaySquirrel]

I’m currently listing to the audiobook for The Madness of Crowds. You should hear Murray recite Nicky Minaj lyrics.

[@hollybinnington7600]

I know, I can can only dream of being so eloquent!

[@Ozgipsy]

He’s almost Hitchensian

[@stevep112]

I just finished Madness of Crowds.. his prose is quite on-point

[@TF80s]

@Tiger Man which part of the interview does he say that?

[@marmaladedreams2003]

Demoralization Destabilization Crisis Normalization

[@StonedDead1981]

And couple that with Problem, Reaction, Solution

[@angelbreath6539]

...and never let a good crisis go to waste..

[@estelao.b.1473]

Yuri Bezmenov, anybody noticed...?

[@athelstan927]

Yep.. but it will run out of legs..

[@5starCA]

Not normalization, but authoritarianism.

[@possiblepilotdeviation5791]

I'd like to hear Douglas and Sargon chat.

[@yurekandsnakes]

Spicey

[@ChrisWillx]

Me too. Let me see if I can orchestrate something when DM is back from America

[@jane---489]

*_I'm breaking lockdown to get a huge supply of popcorn for that.Two of the best humans ever ..._*

[@MrWackozacko]

Yeh i wonder why they havent already

[@pbc0174]

Douglas, Sargon and Jordan Peterson

[@jonathanchambers4657]

It gives me perspective on something I heard all the time growing up in a conservative Christian Church: "We ought to obey God, rather than men." If we base our morals on the fleeting whims of culture, we can easily get lost. We need to find those first principles that we know to be true and use them as the lense to view the times that we currently live in.

[@galenschultz3239]

​@@iLovettGolf I disagree. The problem is that God only seems to speak to people "reliably" through the books, and culture moves while that book doesn't. When culture moves to a place that the book would disagree with, the book must now be reinterpreted or abandoned. It's just 'obeying men' one step removed. The only other choice is to declare a war on the shifting culture.

[@galenschultz3239]

@@iLovettGolf Neither do I but that's not even close to my point.

[@galenschultz3239]

@@iLovettGolf My point bypasses whether or not religions are true, because I was pointing out that OP's "following God not man" is still just following man, with an extra step. Following God means reading his book, which has to be reinterpreted every few generations to cohere with the culture. The culture that is man-made.

[@mansiondave23]

That is why the founding fathers put gridlocks in government. Because democracy tends to become the biggest group steamrolling everyone else. The gridlocks require braid agreement before moving forward or you don’t move forward with said decision. Gridlocks are a feature not a bug, in government operations.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@galenschultz3239 If it's being reinterpreted to fit modern culture, then it's no longer following God.

[@Ikgeloofhetniet]

I am really glad I found this channel. This kid is very smart and very real. He doesn't pretend to know everything and he asks excellent questions. Subscribed and shared!

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

This was my favorite part of the podcast, it was so honest and relatable. When I am going for a walk and talking on the phone I'm apprehensive about what I will discuss publicly. When we are censoring ourselves they have won.

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you

[@kenrehill8775]

Anyone here in 2024, laughing because somehow it got even crazier?

[@ThunderChunky101]

It was suggested to me just now - I can't help feeling insulted by the dishonesty of Murray, who absolutely will not countenance any insulting of his favorite magical middle eastern people.

[@imdunes]

yes i was said to myself when chris said chaz was peak race troubles.... "gosh no that wasnt peak" lol

[@allrequiredfields]

​@@ThunderChunky101 You're just another mouthbreather who thinks Jews control everything. Look at your profile picture - your entire identity is centered around your bizarre fear/hatred of Jews.

[@megaflix6043]

Right here with you Ken...!

[@strangetranceoffaith]

I love Douglass always finds a way to state things in a generous but unincindiery way

[@boundandtied1]

"When you realise what is bullshit in the Guardian vs what is real life...." possibly the best quote anyone has ever uttered ever. And I'm a casual Guardian reader...

[@danielstroubledthoughts5386]

Why are you reading it?

[@andybray9791]

U are slipping away

[@marklefebvre5758]

Without boundaries, we don't know where we are. Literally we cannot navigate life and that will always lead to chaos.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Thanks for calling out the press! As an American, I think other countries must have a skewed idea of us, because there are so many important issues that the press refuses to cover, along with the things that are deliberately misleading. Not sure how that started- I noticed around mid 00s that reporters' opinions were making their way into news articles, and now it's expanded and taken over most of the mainstream media.

[@streglof]

I used to think much the same way. Largely I think because I watched a lot of TYT. Luckily, because I watched TYT, KZbin recommended me some Dave Rubin videos too...

[@MrWackozacko]

I started my youtube rabbit hole with TYT as well and Kyle Kulinski, i thought they were reasonable until i heard other opinions.

[@chuduhdia996]

Lol same

[@singing894]

@Scott Covert Yep

[@KrissowskiM]

Great wake up moment for both of you! That is why Sargons content is that important! He is waking people up!

[@TheSabatuer]

I have tremendous respect for Sargon. Watched his channel all the time back when he was pushing out amazing educational political commentary. His intellectual depth and honesty is up there with the best.

[@elzee4253]

This channel is a gem.

[@martin2514]

I don't think Derek killed the guy. The drugs killed good old george.

[@thomasemment9291]

SILENCE TRUMP TARD www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/25/blog-posting/two-autopsies-found-george-floyds-death-was-homici/

[@thomasemment9291]

Source please

[@ArnoldSig]

thomas Emment How about it was both then? Both affected his death? Hope you don’t live in a black and white world

[@thomasemment9291]

@@ArnoldSig well most of my day is spent doing programming and mathematics it's pretty usually pretty black and white

[@thomasemment9291]

@@ArnoldSig I'm fine with both affecting the death because then it's still murder ennit

[@naradadasa7554]

much respect to chris for saying this and Douglas for the great description and and sensible conclusion that must be said and shared

[@Outis634]

I wonder why this clip is cycling again after 3 years. It's a great one

[@BecomeAWebDev]

Autopsy showed Floyd had massive amounts of methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

[@BboyKeny]

And Fetynol right?

[@nadogrl]

He had twice the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@BboyKeny Yes. Basically he would have been a goner simply sitting in the back of the squad car.

[@Jamm999]

⁠@@Billy-bc8pk”he would’ve died anyways so it’s okay he got killed” you understand how crazy that sounds? Im not deluding myself, I understand George Floyd was not a martyr, nor likely even a good person. But he didn’t deserve to die, he broke the law and should’ve went through the criminal process like every else. That is the real story. Not all this overblown crap on both sides of “oh he died of an overdose, the cop is innocent!” vs “he was a beautiful soul, a hero” but of course most people are ideologically locked

[@petesmith13]

How is America the most militarized police force... and not say North Korea or China? .... Seems like a big call to make...

[@silvergrove8517]

He said most militarized population

[@TheBothvar]

@@silvergrove8517 I just went back and checked. He said "Most militarized country in the world with the most militarized law enforcement." @4:30

[@divatamer194]

It's the most militarized polic force on the planet because of the innumerable laws against, yes against, it's citizenry. For example; the average state has 3500+ laws regarding operating a motor vehicle. That means from the time you enter you vehicle to the time you back out of your driveway, chances are you've broken several of them. Most of which, you have no idea about. You're not aware of them, but deep.down you know you're getting screwed. And since we have a Constitution that dictates we are in fact a nation that lives by rule of law, it doesn't set well with a well armed population. So in order to enforce the perverse number of laws which divmctate your every move, and for those that have created such laws to basically extort its population, a population that is indeed well armed; a police force of exceedingly larger arsenals and equipment is required. You know, just in case that population wakes up one day and decides its all bullshit.

[@---cf9bj]

You've got to understand that in countries like china and nk, they have massive propaganda programs so the people themselves aren't really that hard to deal with, so their police forces are less used than in the US, and i think it is a fact that america is the most militarized nation on the planet and has the most militarized police in the world, i mean police in america literally have armored vehicles that aren't too far away from tanks. and armed swat teams that could probably win a war against most other nations military's.

[@wolfza2630]

@@---cf9bj Fml. The chairborne warriors on ytube not knowing the difference between a MRAPS/APC versus real armor or an infantry platoon versus a SWAT team.

[@HistoryFromAScot]

Douglas, you sense maker! What a wonderfully intelligent and well-informed individual you are!

[@tabularasa820]

Amazing clip. I’m so glad I saw this.

[@malvokaquila6768]

Love Mr. Murray, I wish more people had his courage to speak up about the nonsense in western civ.

[@NolanHawkeyeAnthony]

It’s good that he’s being honest

[@tabularasa820]

I want more of this on your channel. Nuance and honesty in a world where media uses heightened emotional leveraging is needed.

[@Dilmahkana]

The speed at which we adopt new viewpoints and new information, sometimes without even realising it is a big factor.

[@stockinettestitch]

The left spent the first half of the 20th century learning how to manipulate the masses (and individuals) and they’ve spent the second half and this century so far using that information.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

There's no analysis of information

[@christreloadedrevengeofthe7778]

How can this man be so wise? bless him

[@masterphillips]

I love the hypothetical he posed, because it implies two things if it's true: 1. Immigrants who dream and work their butts off to come to the US are making a huge mistake, because we're xenophobic gun toting crazies. 2. People who have means would leave the US ASAP, even if to Canada (some love threatening to do this and never do, of course). Or...the whole narrative is bull. Occam's razor.

[@kcb8130]

Lol the whole Canada part of this comment, although very true, didn't age well (or did, depending on perspective) considering the recent actions by the Canadian government(s) haha

[@YurMuzVid]

That was very well said sir - Drive this message home....

[@SuperBlackguard]

Incredibly lucid remarks from douglas

[@MrMarmalizer]

We live in an age where truth is seen by a highly vocal and organised minority as evil. We need to push back and be brave in the face of misrepresentation and manipulation.

[@jazzyj7834]

I'm beginning to think that it's not such a small minority anymore. While still less than the opposite, I am seeing it much more than I should.

[@MrMarmalizer]

@@jazzyj7834 I think most people and organisations go along with it out of cowardice and a quiet life, not because of any firmly held beliefs, so it seems like they have more support than they really do. Once (and if) the pushback gains traction I can see more people willing to speak out and organisations dropping their wokeness like a hot coal.

[@georgeharvey3062]

Me. Marmalizer you are ABSOLUTELY correct. This mad manipulation to get as many people as possible to think the way the MSM and leftist think. I WIL NOT be manipulated. F them all!

[@areyousureaboutthat6673]

I could tell you were a little nervous, but it was hard to tell. I remember admiring your bravery to speak on it at all. I know I wouldn't have been as together, coherent, and comfortable myself as I saw you. You're doing great. ❤👍

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you

[@normanmacfarlane3049]

I have to give huge credit to this gentleman. His honesty and his openness to his personal insight is wonderful.

[@Ermz]

I have to touch on Douglas' characterization of Tony Abbott. As an Australian who lived through Tony's 'reign', we got the witness a few things: The first was Abbott going to bat for Cardinal Pell: a convicted child-molester, at the time the country's senior Catholic official, and who over the years continually helped facilitate the sheltering of other abusers, as well as presiding over the validity of the claims of countless others. Tony facilitated the now-legendary neutering of Australia's National Broadband Network, at the behest of Rupert Murdoch. The most critical infrastructure project in the country for the coming century, and it was completely destroyed by political grandstanding. He opposed gay marriage, endorsed religious zealotry, denied climate change and had so many instances of showing himself to be a low quality human being, that they're too numerous to name. I can't for the life of me understand why Douglas would endorse his character. I'm currently reading 'The Madness of Crowds', and while he makes largely exceptionally cogent, well-researched points that I often find myself agreeing with, I absolutely can not get behind political tribalism, where we will support abhorrent human beings, just because they may sit in line with our mutual distaste of the extreme left. I hope to see Douglas reflect on that statement a bit in coming times, and perhaps look a bit more into Abbott's past before making further endorsements of his character.

[@teezdalien]

So true. Couldn't have said this better myself.

[@blindlobster]

As an Australian who lived in Tony Abbot's reign... Tony Abbot wasn't so bad. Cardinal Pell's convictions of molesting children were overturned due to a lack of evidence and unfair treatment/representation of Pell by others. Pell had been placed in a "guilty-until-proven-innocent" case, and Australians do not like priests. The ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) was particularly bloodthirsty in their biased presentation of Pell and the Police wanted to bring Pell down to improve public relations between police and younger Australians. Amusingly, the Pell case was a witch-hunt trial which required no evidence to convict a man who was not guilty of child molestation. Pell's enemies pushing the same "listen and believe" concept that Jussie Smollet has been pushing. Admittedly, Pell has been close to priests who later mistreated children or tried to hide records, both long before Pell was accused of anything. So Abbot was opposing a witch-hunt that had no evidence.... Most people would approve that action. Also although Abbot opposed gay marriage, he did not endorse religious zealotry or deny climate change. Abbot did claim that climate change existed but claimed that it was not as extreme as other parties/people claimed. I would be very surprised if you could show me Abbott endorsing religious zealotry... I know that Abbot has defended against Christianity-haters but defending and attacking are two different/separate actions. Honestly, if Abbot had permitted gay marriage then he would be seen a LOT more positively by progressives. Tony Abbot was alright, he was certainly better than Malcolm Turnbull.

[@bobomac8330]

You have heard these words without listening, you are peddaling groupthink, Pell's case was used by the bad actors to forward their agenda. Why do you listen to this channelling you are not prepared to think critically?

[@DontKeeptheFaith]

I don't understand what this has to do with Sargon.

[@yoba6037]

The Token Survivor the title is wrong.

[@timj3277]

He says at the start this is in relation to an episode where he had Carl (Sargon) on the show and the conversation they had.

[@TheHarshestTruth]

It has nothing to do with Sargon, for some reason Douglas wanted to bring up racism and BLM, he was itching for an opportunity and could not wait any longer.

[@comradecorbynscommunalcata2269]

Douglas, you choose your words so carefully and that is why you are so widely respected. I do wish you would reconsider your assertion that George Floyd was killed, at least until the trial of the police officer is over. Mr Floyd died, it is yet to be established whether he was killed. Your words influence the thinking of others.

[@iamisaid2295]

i'm afraid this stance will forever be a "conspiracy theory" *yeah i get that makes no sense*. The die is cast on this one, the science is settled. thou shalt have no other opinion.

[@norbath1650]

"Mr Floyd" Floyd, simply Floyd. That's all he deserves.

[@allomentproof2573]

@Radical Centrist God All the more reason not to keep your knee on his neck then for 8 minutes. But he did.

[@allomentproof2573]

@Radical Centrist God so the court proved something you agree with and its 'just' but because you don't agree with the verdict and the sentence the court is 'unjust.' The cop has a duty of care. It's not just negligence, he lacked any kind of empathy, any kind of compassion and any kind of remorse. The only way hell get out of that sentence will be on a technicality.

[@allomentproof2573]

@Radical Centrist God you don't need to write an essay, im just skimming past all of the logical fallacies you are presenting like I think racism was involved etc. Do you think that if Floyd had never had any encounter with the police on that day that he would still have died of a Fentanyl overdose in the same timeframe and moment?

[@SoBayK80]

Douglas Murray only needs a cigarette pack rolled into the sleeve of his shirt to complete his look 👌🤟😎

[@regretlater929]

And walk alongside Alex Turner, going bar hopping

[@danielrichards3521]

Lol 🤣

[@danielrichards3521]

Ace from stand by me 🤣

[@danielrichards3521]

Eyeball chambers

[@johndcoffee632]

Subscribed based on the first 2 minutes alone. Good on you for seeing the faults in your thought process and trying to fix them.

[@ferdinand4444]

Credit for your reflection Chris. Douglas is great.

[@AMMAZZARE]

Here’s the goalpost: -Accuse you of looking out for your own best interest -Shame you for taking a stance against things that were designed to hurt you -Make you plead that you really don’t have your own best interest at heart (ie “I swear I’m not racist!”)

[@theetiologist9539]

I wish I could hang out with Douglas Murray. He’s just a so cool. His takes are so measured.

[@rodrigoserafim8834]

Moving goal posts is indeed the popular sport of the day. Very good observation.

[@bigbraincontent]

Demoralization is the goal.

[@KatySei]

Douglas of course you are right. They know it. It's all about power.- not justice, not honesty.

[@aneyeforcapitalism6531]

The technique described is called gaslighting, and it’s an abuse tactic.

[@SamSamSamSameSamSamSam]

Great episode. Douglas Murray is very nuanced and meticulous in his speech.

[@Frederer59]

If Floyd stayed in the back seat of the patrol car where he was most safe, he may have survived the fentanyl-induced hysteria. Though being in custody AGAIN may have set it off. There's evidence of his cries of not being able to breathe well before he was on the ground. A tragedy yes, but the police were also waiting for a transport vehicle to arrive.

[@wiseonwords]

@Fred Cory - "If," "and," "would have," "could have" - Your attempt to gaslight and excuse the cops' misbehaviour is quite weak.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@wiseonwords - In the spirit of Douglas' comments in this video, there was gross mishandling of the greater context of Floyd's behavior and drug abuse involved as well as all of the cops' actions. In the U.S. what led in the news was "white cop" / "black man" and the SEVERELY edited and most disturbing leg-on-neck video footage. It was too many WEEKS later that one could view longer video footage containing "I can't breathe" voiced by Floyd over and over ( with no submission hold on his neck whatsoever ) for minutes BEFORE he was submitted on the ground. That alone was a profound omission by the media and narrative being shaped by bad actors. Or that placing a knee on a criminal's neck was a common technique, not some "obviously racist" action. I'm not special, but in the spirit of Justice and Truth and Context, I did object immediately to how the media was framing it as yet another "racist" incident by cops. No one in the media at that time, let alone my friends, managed to even mutter agreement to that fact. Too much pressure from sinister and opportunistic forces, in this context from the Left / Far Left, to intimidate individuals into silence. We shouldn't want that for anyone, no matter what their politics / religion / "tribe". P.S. - Given the intense external politics of the Floyd Trial, IMHO Justice was not served. Chauvin did wrong and should have gone to prison, but...he was also trained to do what he did in terms of that disturbing-to-the-general-public technique. That seemed to not matter at all. Again..."Politics"...not Justice. ( The comment you were responding to does seem to gaslight the cops' gross conduct, I agree, but you didn't offer up any disagreement and wrongdoing on the Media's or Floyd's part. Perhaps you are also gaslighting in reverse. )

[@rickrouse7865]

it is amazing how freely and easily you can disparage an entire group of people with no consequence or even with praise by the mainstream

[@Cristinact]

I like to see what's on Murray's bookshelves so I can educate myself (and hopefully I can become a little wiser). At least I've done some Solzhenitsyn already.

[@mattboscan]

Great to watch it 2024 now that the tide is finally beginning to turn!

[@vacinden]

"Avoid people who are not aware of their own paradoxes" - Some Tarot Card Translated from German to Dutch to English :P

[@RobertTowell]

Hum, I think I will head over and check out his channel. Thanks for including the link to his channel.

[@mbernier59]

Thank you both. Period.

[@supercartel3000]

I am on the side of "the guy who killed Floyd." Unless you mean Floyd.

[@yonidellarocha9714]

Hehe, that's brilliant.

[@liberatumplox625]

Well said as always Mr. Murray.

[@treeclimbingmat1010]

The last time i was this early to the comments we still had a democracy and rational thought.

[@phantasma8401]

@@danyalkazmi1400 Delusional comment.

[@sulawesi-steve]

@@danyalkazmi1400 while I agree with your point, the option is someone with a mental age of 4, or 400, without the wisdom....... Aka,...... fucked

[@DonnieDarko1]

Lol, nice 😉

[@johnharris8872]

@cannab al They're not topping Trump in terms of being irrational lol, but he didn't say vote Democrat. Just don't vote

[@NabsterHax]

One thing I've learnt in my experience discussing and debating issues that I'm passionate about, or that have the ability to evoke some kind of reasonably strong emotion from me is that your emotional state really, really does matter much more than most people give it credit for. We've all heard of "feels over reals" but this is more than just a meme, and *all* of us are susceptible to trying to justify our emotional feelings when discussing an issue as a priority before dealing with cold hard facts. It's extremely helpful to remember that while emotions are an essential part of our being, they are at once the primary driver for our actions and thoughts while also not being reliable. Sometimes emotions are caused by something external and "real" where it is easy to link the emotion to a rational source (e.g. I'm really sad because my dog died). But emotions can also be a result of so many more things: hormones, drugs, etc. that can cause emotional states with no clear cause. But, in these cases our brains will always strongly desire to invent a cause, no matter how irrational it may be. I've suffered from random panic attacks in my life, that I can physically feel beginning to occur in my body before any emotional anxiety presents itself. But when the emotional anxiety inevitably arrives, despite *knowing* this anxiety has no reasonable cause, my brain simply will not accept that for the duration of the panic attack. I will be physically incapable of actually believing that the anxiety is unwarranted while I am experiencing it. The best I can do, is make a rule not to act on that anxiety. And wouldn't you know it, half an hour later I'm thinking normally again and every thought I had while suffering from the panic attack seems completely mental. Anyway, the point is that there's a reason that emotional appeals are incredibly effective in any argument involving people. If you can make someone feel a way, by any means, legitimate or not, all you then need to do is provide them with a convenient reason they are feeling that way and chances are they will believe it, even if it is insane to believe. We are all susceptible to emotional manipulation (save, maybe, sociopaths) and we cannot escape it. The best thing we can do is not be afraid that changing what we believe over time somehow makes us hypocritical or unprincipled, and also maybe be aware that there are very few convictions worth ruining your life for. Because chances are one day you might look back and think "that was stupid."

[@UnauthorizedExpression]

I do this from time to time. In certain situations, from time to time, I get very careless with what I say and later, sometimes days later, I feel this anxiety I can't find the source of then I realize it's something I said in passing that I for sure didn't mean the way I think it might have been taken. Very odd how your subconscious can do that.

[@DonnieDarko1]

Wow, this is an example of self-policing. Makes sense.

[@homegirl4155]

@@DonnieDarko1 yes I think u r correct. I often have political discussions with my friends (I’m a classical liberal and they are more aligned with this neo-liberal movement). Whilst it remains cordial for the most, some feathers can get ruffled and at night or days later, I will start panicking at what I said and wonder if I will lose them as friends. It is absolutely self policing. And a very state of affairs when beliefs are capable of tearing apart relationships. And I might add I could never be offended at someone else’s views, but one of my friends (a gay young man) becomes very upset at some of my views and my views are only slightly centre of left. I couldn’t imagine unfriending a best friend over this. Anyway, my point is, this anxiety has been driven by the media which has called on people to “root out the evil”. And I’ve realised that’s why I get anxious after discussions and find myself messaging friends “just to clarify the other day when I said this...”. What a mess.

[@DonnieDarko1]

@@homegirl4155 indeed, very strange and worrying times we are living in.

[@MiaogisTeas]

I do that too. I'm blunt and like to be challenged, but that means I'm willing to be wrong. People take it the wrong way.

[@eyemallears2647]

Massive respect to chris.

[@jesperburns]

4:40 Chances of getting shot on duty, as a police officer in the US, are 196 times higher than in my country (yes that's the correct number). No wonder they are on edge.

[@yonidellarocha9714]

Even places with higher violent crime rates like some parts of south america have a lower rate of attacks towards police officers than the US. In some places in Brazil attacking a police officer means having a commando group break into your house in the middle of the night (they have a military police force) and take you to be arrested and charged. If you kill a police officer there, let's just say you don't make it between being arrested and charged, you just vanish. The psychometrics fan in me tells me you can interview someone and see how they feel towards having an effective police force, and maybe predict that if they believe in white supremacy being the us system, they might take arms years later and start shooting at the police, like the guys from the chaz. The software engineer in me tells me to quarantine these contentious windmills of opinions and bullets away from the rest of the people. Maybe these idiots from the chaz and similar pathetic rebellious terrorists should be given land, made an independent country through secession of 99.999% of the rest of the country, bannished from entering the US and forgotten about. The ideal place woule be away from the mexican or canadian border, but not landlocked so they don't bother the rest for travel. Build the wall around L.A. and you save yourself some money right there...

[@yonidellarocha9714]

Also, can i get a source for the comparison? Your country sounds relatively peaceful

[@Hunty49]

I believe that there needs to be a penalty for lying. It is next to impossible to sue someone for defamation. If we just made it that you can sue someone for making incorrect statements, then this would clean up dishonest people and propaganda really quickly. The penalty should be a retraction, apology and a fine. After a year, people would think about what they are saying or posting to make sure it is correct.

[@MindbodyMedic]

Anthropologist Henry Harpending noted that concepts like "systemic racism" are quite similar to African conceptions of witchcraft, which differ from European traditions of witchcraft in being woozier in causality: no intent need, just bad thoughts.

[@prognemesiss]

i remember that interview and that you were somewhat aggitated (with yourself), glad you gave yourself the time to self-reflect on why and found the answer

[@CheekClappersPodcast]

good of you to rescind on your own opinions and words, it's very hard to do that and is a sign of real character

[@ChrisWillx]

Thank you. Self enquiry is a MFer 90% of the time, but you come across good insights now & then.

[@CheekClappersPodcast]

@@ChrisWillx Absolutely - hope to have you on Cheek Clappers sometime.

[@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866]

Importance of history. Remember who you are, how you got here, and what you want.

[@anewagora]

This is great. We all need to really take it seriously how disorienting everything is and how chaotically, and quickly it is changing. An example; I'm from the Twin Cities where George Floyd happened. In the first ten days, it was so unknown and such a shock wave that most of us only knew what was happening physically right in front of us, and I went all over the cities to different pockets. The ONLY event that happened that can be considered a riot was the overnight burning of the third precinct and chaos on Lake St surrounding all that. Daytime in the hotspots was dramatically different, it was oddly peaceful and like a beautifully chaotic, self-creating giant block party. My dad called me 3 days in petrified that I was in the midst of it and everyone was getting fucked up. But it was so peaceful, more than usual! He was not happy with the situation because he was concerned about riots, which weren't happening. Days after the riot ended on its own, the national guard flooded everywhere and attacked anybody and everyone. I had to explain to my dad that his perception was totally skewed. Social justice faded into nothing because it suddenly felt like we were all together on a military lock-down by the government. It is no wonder to me that this fueled the social justice fanatics and revolutionary Antifa/black block groups. And the HIGH of that energy of so many people building and setting up totally new things- like a makeshift stage in the target parking lot, block parties, barbeques, music; it was like a dream world. A lot of people didn't want to lose that high. And at the same time, many of us had limited or no phone & internet communications, and all transportation services were completely shut down. You only knew what was happening if you physically got yourself there.

[@yonidellarocha9714]

People can get that high anytime they want, you don't need to 'rebel' agaisnt the government to do it. The problem is that they are city people who didn't invest in their communities for decades, so nobody knows each other, they don't share activities frequently and that's why having a barbecue on a street or stage in a parking lot seems weird when it's not. These are boring-as-fuck people who don't have initiative to do these things unless everybody is doing it or they are forced to. These people would rather do what they have already been doing for the last 15 years: locking themselves in with their phones and internet like the boring wageslaves they are. But didn't you say phones and internet were not working? And suddenly people are forced to go to the streets and meet the ones with the initiative and the barbecue and the music on stage. You all got played, the tension was building up, so they sent the army so that noone does anything, they cut off the entertainment so that people go to the streets, and although the people are not supposed to do these things and the army is supposed to stop them, everybody knows that's not what's going to happen and they start the barbecues and music and indeed the army does not intervene. This makes the people more confident and gives them a breath of fresh air and freedom, and as a young friend says "happier people make crapier revolutionaries". You all got played, they difused the situation by making you feel safe and happy, that's why the army is there, to give an implicit approval of people having fun and to make them feel safe. And the most ironic thing about this is that the reason for these riots is a city looser who overdosed because his own community failed him and the local media failed you all. If you don't take care of your communities this is what you get: isolated uncaring people who need the state army to have a spontaneous fun get-together with the neighbours for the first time in a decade... Seriously, when is the last time some of them saw their neighbours on a sunday morning and after a minute of small talk one of them says "hey, want to come over in an hour for a barbecue?", or the last time someone around the block volunteers as a teacher when they hear the neighbours kid is having problems with a subject they know? That kind of lack of human interaction feels shameful and creates unstable people, that's why your whole city needed a militarized psychological intervention.

[@claudiafahey1353]

Do you know the exact same thing happened to a white man by cops? This whole George Floyd thing is bullshit and all fueled by media...

[@anewagora]

@@claudiafahey1353 I was there in person when it started. Social justice has been a dominating, very abusive force in the Twin Cities for longer than I've been alive. Media is barely the cherry on top the shit cake here. I also volunteered with CUAPB, the long-standing police brutality advocacy group for survivors & victims' families. We helped ALL kinds of people from every class, cultural mix, and racial mix. From all over the state and over time, all over the country. They are dead set against racializing police brutality issues. Tony Timpah is the guy you're talking about, and in my circles, he is well known. So rest assured, despite the mayhem and dishonest, ideological warfare, a lot of real shit is being taken care of at the ground level. And there are really advanced, wise, good people capable of enduring the toxic social justice nonsense, and actually getting stuff done.

[@claudiafahey1353]

@@anewagora I'm glad to hear it.. one always wonders when you're getting constantly bombarded with this divisive crap if people really take this stuff seriously ..if people are really that angry and think that everything is always just 1 sided racially etc..

[@anewagora]

@@claudiafahey1353 Well social justice is still VERY dominating here, but dominating because it is not naturally dominant. It is sinking its own ship. Each of us just needs to be pro-active about what we seek in life and community-building, or we will sink with the ship. I'm leaving the Twin Cities for Texas in a few months. It's not sustainable here and people are really suffering.

[@Troublechutor]

The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalm 27 Be Just and fear not. - Shakespeare

[@blackdragon0083]

I respect your observations and opinions but hot damn that title was clickbait.

[@ottofrinta7115]

Murray being brilliant as usual.

[@michaelhart7569]

Many UK viewers may not be aware of how US policing often works. As an English, white Anglo-Saxon PhD student in Seattle, I once fell alseep in the University departmental graduate student lounge when working late and I had locked myself out of the chemistry lab. I was entitled to be there, 24 hours a day. I was awoken at 5am by two campus policemen, alerted by the cleaners, asking me questions. I started explaining my situation and then reached into my back pocket to get my building pass. They both went for their guns. I had sufficient wits about me to instantly freeze and the situation was then resolved. Half a second slower and would I have been shot dead? Maybe. But that is the reality of policing in the US, whatever your skin color may be.

[@garrettwright6373]

I love when he says "that's not on..."

[@TheAnubite]

"Growing up with an ordinary level of in-curiosity .." wow what a line!

[@jlamb199]

STATISTICS DON'T PROVE OUT. YOU ARE CORRECT SIR. THANK YOU FOR ACCURATELY REPRESENTING U.S. HERE IN AMERICA.

[@stonethecrows5334]

Tony ABBOTT is regarded by those who know him as a legend. He does far more for the community than any other politician. He would go and live with Aboriginal communities for 2 weeks a year to help understand the problems faced by those communities, volunteers as a fire fighter and life guard, spends a huge amount of time helping disabled young people, running marathons with blind people for instance. Every staffer who worked for Tony ABBOTT hold him in high regard. And the left HATE him. Why? Because he embodies everything they are not !! also he is a practicing Christian. This is how upside down this world has become.

[@brutexrp7207]

Tony Abbott does have a leaning towards those negative character traits. In Australia he has been our most unpopular prime minister. Tony is old school but he is still a very caring person and those leanings are a valid evaluation of part of his dispositions.

[@JackoJ15]

I hope Douglas comes back to the UK soon. We need people like him active in our culture.

[@Metalcowboy88]

He lives in London mate. Unless that's not considered part of the UK anymore 😂

[@makdav3063]

@@Metalcowboy88 Londonistan is not part of the UK

[@JackoJ15]

@@Metalcowboy88 I dont think he currently resides in London. You'll find he's moved to the states for a while.

[@Metalcowboy88]

@@JackoJ15 damn. I was hoping to bump into him at the gym 😅

[@cocktailpost]

Bravo! Those things have to be said.

[@arthurdinucci]

It's always very difficult to overcome a first impression.

[@jjuniper274]

Rural America is very mellow. If you ever want to visit.

[@LouisPaquette]

Douglas Murray - the voice against widespread dysfunction and cognitive dissonance.

[@TheWTFMatt]

You've done it man, figuring out how to be based but not targeted by the algorithms

[@stumbling]

I was completely had by the Floyd case. I was fuming and calling for Chauvin to be given the chair, but Chauvin didn't kill Floyd. He failed to give him any medical attention while he was under his care and should be punished for that but the cause of death was unrelated to Chauvin's method of restraint. Watching the bodycam footage of them struggling to get Floyd into the squad car and letting him wriggle out the other side was maddening. If they had been tougher on him and kept him in the car maybe he would be alive today.

[@LeethLee1]

It is almost impossible to find the frame of discussion these days. That is a huge huge problem and it is amazing we can all talk as we can now without being completely confused lol bless

[@richardvaldes3959]

Dont trust the Guardian got it.

[@jesssepalmer4732]

Yes, he's all of those things, Douglas.

[@94still5]

I can hear the name drops in Billingham!

[@ChrisWillx]

I was only at my mum & dad’s in Norton - I’ll blame it on the close vicinity 👀

[@DJchrismiller1]

Love Mr. Murray!

[@deecook180]

The 90 people that put a dislike to this must not like the truth.

[@podjun80]

The same 90 people that buy the guardian...

[@reskomend9965]

In the movie "Bridge Of Spies", Rudolph Abel says "What's the next move when you don't know what the game is?"

[@kingfillins4117]

I dont really get how this relates to Sargon. What’s problematic about Faulty Towers? Douglas seems to agree with Sargons position.

[@manchesterfellow]

The point really has nothing to do with Sargon - other than he was a part of the conversation which the host had his realisation. Sargon is on the title because it attracts clicks. I'm OK with it

[@kingfillins4117]

@@manchesterfellowits a misrepresentation either way.

[@adamaenridi7272]

Doing my part to help the algoboy

[@canisblack]

Call those movements what they are: injustice movements. They use terms like Social Justice and Racial Justice as camouflage. To make people think that they're about actually achieving justice when they're just about creating and propping up a specific form or type of injustice. Because anything that modifies justice, no matter how good it sounds, is injustice. And I'm not talking about mercy. Mercy is part of justice. Mercy is about looking at the situation with clear eyes and seeing that the normal punishment is unjust and then acting so that there is a just outcome.

[@ThundarBarBar]

There are moments when Douglas Murray is speaking when I swear I hear the same speaking rhythm with which Dylan Moran speaks. It’s brief, something in the pause, something in the production of the thoughts he is expressing. It’s ever so slight.

[@Doutsoldome]

Going a bit clickbaity, here? I didn't see how this is "about" Sargon.

[@PuntedKitten]

A bit, but it was the episode that made him nervous. The title does say about "Sargon of Akkad episode".

[@Doutsoldome]

@@PuntedKitten Ah, good point on the "episode." It is there, indeed.

[@liamwinter4512]

More thought police anxiety

[@Strider1122]

I just turned the channel and I always watch Chris Williamson. Is a good fella. Now I don't exactly know the conversation here, but by his body language, I can safely say I've never seen Chris Williamson this way and I don't even know what they're talking about. I'm just 1 minute in the video... I'll just have to watch the rest. Apologies I just had to state that

[@u8qu1tis]

Two things can be true at the same time: George Floyd killed himself due to his drug overdose, the police handling of George Floyd was wrong.

[@edwardcullen1739]

True, but then, they're cops, not medical professionals...

[@JonathanSchattke]

They can be, but they are not. Chauvin did nothing wrong.

[@Saddamuel]

You have to weigh it up. Billions in property damage, dozens of lives lost, material policy changes, international reactions, statues toppled, institutions subverted, millions donated to racial activists... against a technicality in the police mishandling of a black man. One side is an outrage and an attack on us all, the other is a relative non-issue. Both may be true, but the former is more like oppression.