I can listen to this guy all day. Thank you for having him back. Great questions as usual.
@graememorrison13803 жыл бұрын
8 weeks practicing Stoicism and it really is a game changer.
@Geopoliticstoday23 жыл бұрын
Stoicism has returned!! Thank you. 🤘🙏👊
@ItzamnaCuicatl3 жыл бұрын
Massimo is as wise as it gets. Loved this interview, thanks
@williamdelahunty36773 жыл бұрын
"Can stoicism be improved?" "It would probably be a struggle."
@anhleroy3 жыл бұрын
I never hear the main thing that I like so much about stoicism and I think it's the basis of it... just that you don't make unreasonable guesses about things if you don't have full information about. I think that's a huge problem today's society, everybody thinks they're right and don't realize they avery well could be wrong and even to their own detriment they'll maintain their correctness at all costs.
@louisburke89272 жыл бұрын
Even proponents of Stoicism?
@RomeJuanatas3 жыл бұрын
I'm on my 4th week with Massimo Pigliucci's A Handbook for New Stoics and it's been so wonderful so far! I'm so happy you've got him on the podcast :D
@gracefitzgerald22273 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy that we have Stoicism in my life, but does the book want you to take cold shower, and fast? Asking for a friend 😊
@casperme65523 жыл бұрын
@@gracefitzgerald2227 Fasting (for a day or two) is easy. Cold showers are horrible 🤣
@gracefitzgerald22273 жыл бұрын
@@casperme6552 my friend says thank you 😜
@casperme65523 жыл бұрын
@@gracefitzgerald2227 No problem Grace, er Grace's friend.... 😁🤣
@RomeJuanatas3 жыл бұрын
@@gracefitzgerald2227 so far the book hasn’t mentioned anything about fasting and cold showers. At least up to week four, there’s nothing like that. It’s been mostly practice of introspection via journaling. I also agree with Casper with fasting as it’s not really difficult, but you better have a clear reason why you’re doing it. I don’t do fasting unless it’s required by a doctor. Cold showers, hm, I love them. But hey, it’s your preference and no one should force you to take cold showers. ^^
@kennetheriksen10912 жыл бұрын
About the Seneca statement to Marcia on being "womanish", this seems to me to be in the dichotomy between the stoics and the epicureans, where 'manly' seem to corrolate to 'virtue' and the 'womanish' seem to be about the body. There is such a quote from Cicero in Tusculan Disputations (2.46) where he says that Epicureans cry like women and are not able to endure pain.
@christopheryoder82923 жыл бұрын
Massimo, I call your definition of feminism egalitarianism and it ought to be the foundation of any just society. Thanks for the good interview :)
@chamorvenigo3128 Жыл бұрын
Two shortcomings of Stoicism: 1. Foregoing cortisol and serotonin imprints from experience. Can't blame the teachers if cortisol and serotonins were not discovered yet. However, now that we know what the C and S are, we need to use it. Else, being too indifference is a bad thing. 2. Eudaimonia is just scratching the surface of the Mind. We are still operating the mind on a "Modo Reactionibus" basis. Being a eudaimonia is just being a reactionist. We have not transform the Mind into "Modo Narrationum" (Kegan's Self-Authoring Mind and Self-Transforming Mind). Then, we need to add sweet sweet Immanuel Kant's concept of Self in order to transform (some will say separate) the mind from the self. This is when we can reach "Modo Awarenum" (it's a made up word, think of it as the integral of Awareness). Then we get closer to sweet sweet Kant's base plate.
@maximc38343 жыл бұрын
Great interview mate! Honestly love these guests and would appreciate more of interviews like this and less of the conservative whining from Stephan or Douglass Murray.
@OMGAnotherday3 жыл бұрын
Agree Douglas Murray just comes across like a member of the Bullingdon club!
@sciencefliestothemoon23052 жыл бұрын
@@OMGAnotherday thanks for the reference. Learned something new.
@OMGAnotherday2 жыл бұрын
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Having said that I have investigated Douglas Murray a bit more, and credit where credit is due, he is not quite Bullingdon club, but he definitely has privilege. Bullingdon still exists and its VERY bad for society!
@hollisarkham3 жыл бұрын
Reject materialism and behave as though your actions resonate ubiquitously. Embracing materialism is to embrace totalitarianism. Resist, transcend, love fate.
@deborahallen33493 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, thank you.
@gracefitzgerald22273 жыл бұрын
Just ordered my book from Amazon!
@christopheryoder82923 жыл бұрын
Thank you gentlemen for the interview.
@nicholashughes82143 жыл бұрын
Great to discover you had interviewed Massimo. He is my favorite Stoic Writer plus his other videos where he chats with another Philosophy Professor about stuff like Meta Ethics etc. are really interesting
@yosefzee76052 жыл бұрын
When I was like 17 I printed out the Enchridion. it changed the whole course of me life!
@mattanderson6672 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, this was a brilliant episode
@33BiGBoB333 жыл бұрын
It sounds a bit like Christianity. At least what Jonathan Pageau is talking about. I think you could try getting him on your podcast to talk about religious symbolism.
@neilfox82303 жыл бұрын
many of the better things that the christian religion took on was from stoicism absolutely but added too much to it
@33BiGBoB333 жыл бұрын
@@neilfox8230 well, what exactly?
@carlotapuig3 жыл бұрын
Stoicism should be a mandatory religion/philosophy in Western countries. You should be allowed to keep your religion but be obliged to adopt Stoicism as well.
@iand74753 жыл бұрын
Just bought the audiobook,. can't wait to listen !!
@aipacsucks3 жыл бұрын
We will need this next Tuesday!!! LOL...
@stiaanengelbrecht10513 жыл бұрын
Great channel Chris, 100 million people listening to Cardi B's new tune, only 445 views.....dear me! One thing that I've, as a Christian, realised about what Massimo said, is how we mourn death, it's a darn cryfest but in reality, it should be a celebration. I like a lot of the beliefs about stoicism and feel it's in many ways compatible with Christianity. This is a question I pose to the audience as I'd like to get a bigger understanding of the lifestyle / philosophy: What are the major differences between Christianity and stoicism?
@graememorrison13803 жыл бұрын
I started out with Donald Robertsons latest book 'how to think like a roman emperor '. I have been reading more deeply consistently practicing Stoicism since.
@stiaanengelbrecht10513 жыл бұрын
@@graememorrison1380 thanks mate, will do some research!
@tatoxl3 жыл бұрын
I suppose many of you have read some of his books... where should I start to read him? "How to Be a Stoic", "The Stoic Guide to a Happy Life", or "A Handbook for New Stoics" ?
@paronymiusparonymius44682 жыл бұрын
No figs in winter!
@VenusLover174 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@offplumbnan3 жыл бұрын
I want to know how you get at any one of your books in that stack!
@maialinellospazioАй бұрын
It's "dichotomy" of control, not "economy" of control
@ericgwalsh3 жыл бұрын
Read my book. It's still a best seller.
@rastabarwell3 жыл бұрын
You mean....can modern, feminist men grow a pair and become...grown up men.
@curiousindividual6343 жыл бұрын
44:30 Wait a moment, does it mean, you have to deal with your abusive relatives even if they're being dicks? Like, forgiving every time instead of just ending the relationship that you don't have control over? That's too many figs to eat
@justifiably_stupid49983 жыл бұрын
Im not a stoic but it seems that the more one sided your relationships are, the more good deeds will stay on the positive side of your moral ledger. The universe is determined. Slavery is an ideal. Stoicism just helps you manage the suffering. Any system that asks for personal sacrifice has a collector of sacrifices ready to accept them.
@micikas3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if it's still relevant to you, but the answer comes from these two points 1) the main point is to live virtuously and 2) realize what is, and what isn't in your control. Whether you continue the relationship is up to your preference and how your define your duties there (for example a parent's duty to take care of a child and so on - these aren't objective, though).
@kurt82633 жыл бұрын
‘Not engaging in wishful thinking’ is where he lost me. Have you ever heard of Jim Stovall? He's not stoic, but his book on optimism - maybe give it a read.. What's the big idea with identifying as ‘being’ a Stoic or not, when we can simply just apply principles that work for us. So tired of the identifying or classifying people with something just because they agree with specific philosophies and practices from that. A Taoist can use Stoic principles. A Stoic can be Catholic. A Catholic can be Stoic and Taoist. Just live your life, you define it, don't let others do so for you.
@louieluigi90483 жыл бұрын
Stoicism reminds me of the characters of the movie "Divergent"
@ChrisWillx3 жыл бұрын
How so?
@Parapon3ra3 жыл бұрын
Stop coping and start living. Hedonism or gtfo.
@philosophy_by_psyche3 жыл бұрын
The interviewee gets completely incoherent when he starts talking about "social justice"... women and men are different, that doesn't mean they don't have the same capacities for achieving the good life, but they do have different impediments and obstacles. Women have significantly higher rates of borderline personality disorder, as men have higher rates of narcistic personality disorder: the criteria which leads to these kinds of differences, are broader than just those who have particular disorders. Ironically, borderline personality disorder, is largely what is happening on a cultural level, when society as a whole, creates moral-pictures of 'best practices', instead of building a substantive ethical framework, from first principles: equal protection under the law, does not imply the law should facilitate equal outcomes: this is exactly the kind of convoluted paradox which morality becomes prone to, when we sacrifice normative principles and normative values, and replace them with a moral-narrative built upon definitions of injustice/evil, thus levying blanket accusations against the collective, which then gets directed into venting its moral-force, through targeting scapegoats/witch-hunts, in order to compensate for the cognitive dissonances, double-standards, hypocrisy and incoherence, created by this new (anti-normative) moral-standard,- (wherein) everyone becomes in need of proving a negative (their personal exoneration from the blanket accusation), in order to escape the blanket accusations, and be on the right side of the 'social justice' conventions. This also leads people to create an even larger, remove, and surreal utopian moral-picture to aim at, as only a lofty narrative, can help individuals escape their own hypocrisy, by double-downing into a giant fabric of loose associative rationalizations, in their abandonment of individual integrity, and replacement of moral-virtue, with representations within a dehumanizing reduction of life, in which the blanket-accusation narrative can be channeled and invoked by its radicalized adherents, as dicta replace more and more of their unprincipled schema, growing in its antithesis to normative values.
@kekistanihelpdesk85083 жыл бұрын
Can you translate that into English?
@Doutsoldome Жыл бұрын
Excellent conversation. I like it all, but, please, keep feminism out of stoicism, as well as any other particular political ideology. Dont take the same route of Atheism+.
@christopher-bj8de3 жыл бұрын
You're such a clever biologist that you haven't even worked out that this virus panic is not about a virus at all🙄
@hachwarwickshire2923 жыл бұрын
Yeah .... Christianity. It's proactive on promoting personal improvement and societal improvement. Not just accepting the gulag and death camp but fighting against it. The Stoics failed to improve society
@curiousindividual6343 жыл бұрын
like when they condemn contraception and deny women their reproductive rights? Personal improvement through fighting against progress, be it in Science or Society, if it doesn't match it's outdated dogmas
@hachwarwickshire2923 жыл бұрын
@@curiousindividual634 Progress .... from "Not Killing to Killing" .... A return to slavery next hey ? The middle-easterners really do hate Christianity .... no child sex ... no infanticide .... no slavery .... no beating women .... compassion charity concern cooperation .... yeah you return to the barbarism of the past .... the pre-Christian world of inequality and fear ..... "Women" ... don't kill their own children