How Are 7 Million Unemployed Men Actually Surviving? - Nicholas Eberstadt

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@whynonbelieversareidiots8543]

type this in on youtube chris ROCKET HITS FIRMAMENT watch the video ( there is not reason for us to work in this satanic society when GOD Christ is above the dome, this place is temporary and I have no will to give my energy to satanic men who only want to see us as tools and cattle I would rather be free and not have a lot of money then to be a slave and think im free )

[@johnran6015]

Ever considered some sort of panel interview with say, men that aren't working, men that aren't in relationships, just gather a group of some different backgrounds and ages?

[@beneficent2557]

As someone actually in this demographic, none of these "experts" you keep bringing on are able to accurately diagnose the source of this issue. Its genuinely pathetic how they are so blind to something so simple to understand. Spit on a man long enough and he will crawl across broken glass to stab their enemy in the heart.

[@beneficent2557]

(1) The Education system is designed to waste our time and financial resources, and is a social mobility retardant. (2) Gender Equity Policies inevitably leads to women aging out of their fertility window & pricing themselves out of the dating market. (3) What is the point of killing yourself in a poorly compensated & unfulfilling 9-to-5 job for promiscuous women who have damaged their ability to pair bond? Not one of your guests has adequately addressed the ramifications of No Fault Divorce. Men build to secure their legacy. We currently have a net negative when it comes to reproductive rights and parental rights overall.

[@beneficent2557]

Have you actually considered talking to people actually representative of this demographic?

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

For the last year since I got out of college with my engineering degree, I've put out hundreds of applications for entry-level engineering jobs, in companies that are actively looking to hire lots of entry-level applicants, and no one wanted me, leaving me stuck in a wood shop building crates, where I developed a reputation as one of the few guys who reliably showed up on time and sober. Then the wife of the man who owns the company came by on one of her daily walks around the company, struck up a conversation, found out that I had an engineering degree, and put in a word with the lead engineer; now I have my first engineering job offer. Apparently, you don't get jobs by putting in applications. You get jobs through networking.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

You just gotta know the right people

[@tired3726]

Yeah everything is about who you know that's why if you don't know anyone you are screwed

[@michaelbee2165]

That's exactly right. I don't care what the field is. You develop relationships and get to know people. You need any reference you can and you are always developing relationships as your career develops. It's not right or wrong, it just is.

[@AlexM-vt5pu]

Yes, networking is everything.

[@larrybulthouse455]

Its not who ya know its who ya blow

[@Sentinel82]

Nothing I love more than an entry-level job demanding 4 years experience and a bachelors degree.

[@uhnetwork7506]

Fr like wth is with that I’m fresh out and can’t even get a chance to grow or gain experience f this

[@Sentinel82]

@@Graham_Patch Luckily I'm good. I just remember the pain of job hunting 10 years ago during the Obama era right after I got out of the Air Force. I really feel for the younger people these days because it is that much harder now.

[@Chelseaaa626]

I love this 💕 I will say me and some people I know have gotten lucky applying to those jobs anyways because they can’t get any “new” people woth that much experience

[@Exalted_Example]

Supply + demand who could have seen the repercussions of telling 3.5 generations of children that they must go to college if they want a good job and that blue collar work is for losers?

[@AgentSqueaky]

And the pay is minimum wage

[@peterclemmins7099]

Speaking of declining benefits, I worked a job 20 years ago, entry level mechanic profession that required trade school and a license. Soon after starting, the coffee creamer was removed from the break room to "save money." A year later, the coffee disappeared too. Even the simplest of pleasure is not worth a couple bucks to employers. And this was 20 years ago!! It is worse now.

[@mikearchibald744]

I'm in canada and worked at a pot factory. They talked about how important the workers were, we asked for a raise. Nope. They brought in fruit instead in the morning, which people ate so fast that they stopped doing that as well.

[@nerthus4685]

It depends what industry you are in. I have worked in the private medical field for a smaller company. The company was genuinely struggling to get by so cut corners. But if you work for a tech company..... the sky is the limit. Free buffet bars and expresso next to the indoor tennis court and mini roller coaster. But even they are tightening their belts now.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@nerthus4685 Yeah thats not really true about tech. Thats mostly hype. EVERYBODY I know in tech works contracts or else is trying to get something going on the side they hate their job so much.

[@AlexM-vt5pu]

@@nerthus4685 I've worked in tech since 2010 and have never had a job like that. Most tech jobs aren't the Silicon valley/Google stereotype.

[@MJ98774]

Works both ways....Google and Facebook have cafeterias, game rooms, gyms, are pet friendly....all that sh[t to keep you there so you feel like you dont need to go home. Their wage slaves get there when its dark and leave when its dark....and everybody is a "rockstar" and they are a "family". Its like a cult. No thanks.....companies dont give you anything but a job, and any "perk" IMO should be viewed with suspicion.

[@jenniferbarber126]

Hi! I am a woman just past 50. I am telling you that I have been trying to find a job for 7 months. Ageism is a BIG problem.

[@duncanidaho2097]

Yes. It definitely is. Yikes even at 50? I would think that most companies would appreciate a stable-willing-to-show-up-and-work employee but I guess not. People are now more disposable than ever is this dirty economy. Blessings to you and best of luck in your endeavors. 🤟

[@jo2lovid]

Wait until you are 60 and looking for a new job. But I got a new job at 60 in software support, and things have been great. You need to persevere, and push on. Then again, I'm in NZ, and we have vastly different social support networks than the US. Heaven forbid what it would have been like if I had a stroke at 58 had I lived in the US.

[@DavidKroff]

​@@jo2lovidprobably not any difference than if you had a stroke in NZ. Having a stroke isn't good anywhere.

[@jo2lovid]

@@DavidKroff Total cost to me being in NZ hospital, MMR scans, blood thinners, monitoring, support etc? $0.00 NZ I didn't need to stress out if I was going to be bankrupt after this hospital stay. Fortunately my left MCA was mild, and I was able to return home with no long term affects.

[@DavidKroff]

@@jo2lovid My wife was in the hospital for more than a week and had surgery. I paid $0.00. What's your point?

[@hybridPeople358]

I quit a job without two weeks' notice in 2019 after my millionaire boss said " You should be happy you have a job". He was paying me $14hr. My father got really sick. I had to take him to a doctor's appointment. My boss told me to hire a nurse. This dude was living in an alternative universe. I quit the next day.

[@testymann5045]

I salute you for that. When I delivered newspapers literally in the dead of winter there was one super rich guy who never tipped me anything but Insisted give him 10 cents back so he "could buy a cup of coffee." As I recall I quit that paperoute without notice too. I just couldn't get motivated to be someone's slave.

[@lonewolfnergiganos4000]

​@@testymann5045oh no, I think he was belittling you. What a jerk.

[@JB-qt3wo]

Pretty commonplace! I’ve experienced similar things. Leverage is scare!

[@paulcolburn3855]

Good. The only thing that would have been better is not even showing up to work and refusing to answer the phone if he called to complain.

[@BossItUp911]

why are you only commanding $14 an hour in the labor market? A high school kid can go to Bucee's gas station with no experience and get $18 an hour to start. you haven't raised your value beyond a non-skilled worker? Shame on you bro

[@spadgm]

I think the internet has given rise to a consciousness that Men are realising why work yourself into the ground for a society that treats you as disposable.

[@mateaukalua4426]

Yep finally we got the memo. I am already on the cusp of 30.

[@smerdopsis6092]

hit the nail on the head, my value to others is really the value of my income and the amount of respect people give you is tied so tightly to how popular you are.

[@andradeb2695]

Living off the grid has been more popular than ever before

[@mr.marvelousmess6986]

You would think so but no. Men take great satisfaction building things. And want to be compensated for their labor. Then take that capital to spend anyway they want. You are talking nonsense to make yourself feel better for being unproductive. But if you got off your ass and started building houses or wrenching cars you would feel pride.

[@soberanisfam1323]

Capootalism

[@christiand.7404]

People used to live in tribes, and the feeling of contributing for the tribe, being someone that people depend on and being appreciated is wired in our DNA. In today’s environment, whatever job you do, you don’t feel that anyone appreciates it. The problem is us. We do not appreciate when the server brings our food , or when the mailman delivers our mail or the moving company moves all our stuff. Any one of us can die or be replaced, and probably only a few people around you will notice, and that makes this society the way it is. We do not respect and appreciate each other. We see the world through the lenses of money.

[@anuragchakraborty8766]

And also there's too many of us thanks to overpopulation. Which makes us all easily replaceable and therefore undervalued. It's not that hard to figure out, simply supply & demand when it comes to manpower.

[@riyadougla539]

Wise words.

[@justadog-headedman6727]

I have thought of this before. Another point of view is that all aspects of our lives are fragmented and compartmentalized, you work with people that are not from your neighbourhood or that take no part in the remaining of your life, to the point that if you change jobs you likely will never see them again. Compare that with living in a small village, being the local baker, you don`t only make bread for your own profit, you sell it to your neighbour who possibly does some service to you, carpentry or whatever and so on. It creates a web of relationships and not this situation that we are where everything is out of vanity, there is not the web of relationships around you. Edit: Minor grammar corrections.

[@asleepcloud]

You said exactly what I've been thinking and feeling for so long

[@mateaukalua4426]

​@@anuragchakraborty8766 I disagree we live in cities while there are huge amounts of land with few inhabitants.

[@SuperShadowKinTwitch]

The month I was unemployed. Is the only month in my entire life. I felt true happiness.

[@darriusgivans6570]

I have a bachelors degree, a car paid off, no debt, no kids, and even then I still have to live at home because jobs don’t pay living wages. I have a perfect attendance award for not missing 1 day of high school in 4 years. I have a bachelors degree in biology. I was working at Memorial Herman hospital in Houston. I worked in the lab diagnosing leukemia and blood cancer patients. My pay was 15 an hour even with my degree. They even made me bring my degree in so they could make a copy of it. Plus the job was only part time so I only made 1200 a month. I left and went to another lab full time at a Covid testing center and they only paid 15 an hour. Rent for a 1 bed room in my area on average is 1300 a month and they want 3 times the rent. Not to mention an absolutely toxic work environment. It’s not worth it anymore

[@_Junkers]

I don't know what it is about lab work, but it has always seemed heavily underpaid given the requirements

[@MRSketch09]

@@_Junkers No kidding. Also if you help in any lab studies. You know where you get paid to be sick. The government will tax you on that.. which is f**ked up.

[@nickw670]

I make more than that working an entry level job at an amazon warehouse

[@hp_0189]

Lol 😆 🤣 😂 McDonald's pays 22.50 an hour in my area 🤣 😅 😂 my job a have a degree for pays me 17.50 an hr 😅 🙃 🤣 t h e juice ain't worth the squeeze.

[@texascoqui9789]

Buc-ees pays more than that per hour. Hot bbq on the block!!! But seriously, with all that they charge the patients for bills, you know they are making good money there, difference is, the boss is not willing to share that in the form of pay because he will get that in the form of a bigger bonus of he keeps your pay down.

[@b3sTus3r]

I'm not a NEET but I perfectly understand why young men don't want to work anymore. More and more often I hear a version of this from people: "When I was young I was told if I work hard, I will be able to have a nice house, a loving family, a car. Well, now I'm an adult, I work hard, very hard in fact, and the best I can only afford to rent a room in an apartment with two other people. I can barely afford a 15 year-old car and I cannot even bring a girl over"

[@wet-read]

Few people "want" to work. Let's be real, here: people work primarily to secure their own immediate personal ends or those of their families. Everything else is mostly incidental. Of course there are some people who actually enjoy what they do. Such people are usually said to have "careers" as opposed to mere "jobs". Ok, Captain Obvious rant over 😊

[@Guitar6ty]

Yup and its a shit show created by incompetent government.

[@ricktaylor7648]

Thank the influx of illegals (aliens)

[@mrsleep0000]

If you can't afford any of those things, I highly doubt you 'work hard'.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@mrsleep0000 There are tons of people 'working hard' who are basically just subsiding housing and Walmart and the auto sector. I can't remember the figure off hand, but a LOT of americans have very few savings let alone 'wealth'. Thats ALL intentional, thats the 'american way of life'.

[@chadhumphries3970]

Working a job where the most productive guy gets paid the same as the least productive that creates more work for me is a great feeling. Very fulfilling

[@Harshalove]

Don’t be productive

[@Psmitty97]

@@Harshalove Some of us have a very strong work-ethic built into us from our upbringing. It takes "more work" for us to not be productive. I see the non-productive types at my work. It's amazing how they are able to bullshit for 5 hours of their 8 hour day, doing maybe 3 hours of real work, and the other 5 hours pretending to work, walking to the breakroom, bathroom, checking their phones, making small talk with the other employees, basically doing anything and everything but their actual job. For me, my day goes by much faster if I'm pedal to the medal working. If I try to deliberately be unproductive, an 8 hour day will seem like a 20 hour day. Some of us don't even have a choice

[@blahblah2779]

@@Psmitty97 have you ever considered that maybe you were taught the wrong things? That maybe that other lazy guy was taught the right thing? It’s quite simple actually. If someone strategy nets success and another person’s strategy nets failure, who is doing things right?

[@matane2465]

It's even more fulfilling when the least productive guy who creates more work for you is your boss because he's an idiot. So you end up doing the work of 3 or 4 people, but he only pays you minimum wage.

[@gerogep3666]

Start your own business.

[@KennedyVerbruggen]

I used to think everybody went broke during the Great Depression and other major crashes but they didn’t… Some made millions, I also thought everybody went out of business during these times but they didn’t, some went into business, there's always depression/recession for some people and there's always a good time for others, it's all about perspective.

[@vanessahopkins-g5y]

most of these strategies and loopholes are better managed by experts and pros in the market, the average Investor on the other hand are left to suffer during a crash.

[@PremSteve-yg4de]

It's true that many people underestimate the importance of advisers until their own feelings burn them out. A few summers ago, following an ongoing divorce, I needed a significant push to keep my company afloat. I looked for licensed advisors and found someone with outstanding qualifications. She has contributed to my reserve increasing from $275k to $850k regardless of inflation.

[@samuelrandy-k8x]

Talking about advisors, do u consider anyone worthy of recommendations? I have about 100k to taste the water now that large cap stocks are at a discount... Thanks.

[@PremSteve-yg4de]

Rebecca Nassar Dunne is the licensed advisor I use. Just search the name. You’d find necessary details to work with to set up an appointment.

[@firefighter-i6q]

She appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran an online search on her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.

[@ponzo1967]

This entire conversation just enrages me. Im 55 and have worked through 40 years of stagnant wages and the financial collapse. Its a sick game and people are over it. Why so many? Its a winner take all and very few opportunities to be winners.

[@elonever.2.071]

Im with you. I am retired now and get offers all the time to work. Why the hell would I want to work...Im retired.

[@marcduchamp5512]

Only criminals make it thru this system rich

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@@marcduchamp5512 bullshit. Only those who don't have a liberal arts degree.

[@richardramfire3971]

The days of easy manufacturing low skilled high paying jobs is over. You need to be skilled to make good money now

[@ponzo1967]

@@richardramfire3971 I spliced, terminated , and tested fiber optic lines. Set up new splices, performed and live cuts after midnight, had a CDL and the whole nine for $15.50 an hour that's junk wages. Five years of that. Located utilities for USMC in high commercial areas for $12 an hour. Wired two houses a week with one other person for $10 an hour. Worked maintenance for the world's largest tanning bed manufacturer, about 300 beds a day, setting up new production lines and all kinds of stuff $10 an hour. Worked in commercial building construction for 10 years and never made more than $15 an hour. My highest wage was $16.80 doing maintenance for Travel Centers of America. Looking back it's pathetic and outrageous. Now I do odd jobs around town and charge what the market will bare. I'll never work for another employer.

[@sandingmonkey]

I love how these two men didn't talk about the elephant in the room, "Exploitation". Every job I have ever had, I have been pushed to my limits, to work fast, to work harder, or get laid off. Bosses exploit their workers, pay them low incomes and expect you to love them for it. This isn't a career, it's paid slavery.

[@lapisdust]

One can look at it as old-fashioned slavery was where your masters provided you at least a place to live and food to eat. Now they just hand you a paycheck and tell you to find those things on your own. So, what's the big difference? The beatings are less?

[@middleagenerd]

you are just lazy.

[@WillyOrca]

serfdom maybe but slavery implies involuntary loyalty or servitude to a specific master. You're perfectly ALLOWED to not work a job. You're free to try and carve out an existence in whatever way you wish, it's just heavily incentivized to play the game or join the system.

[@I666I]

Ikr. It isn't very motivating to waste almost all of your lifetime for work, while the people you work for make more than double the money than you do. Especially with big companies, where you work for investors/shareholders, that do absolutely nothing except cashing in on dividends from their shares, or hold board meetings from time to time, if their share is big enough lmao. And don't even get me started about all the influencers, streamers and e-girls, that get big money for being lazy too, while you work hard.

[@seneynah]

All work is like that. Try being self employed now that’s a brutal boss , in construction my husband is constantly pushed by general contractors and clients. Push push push…

[@new_game2589]

I've worked all my life, and am currently changing jobs for the 1st time in a decade and the application and recruitment process is insane now. Inflated requirements and credentials, multiple phone and in person interviews, long and invasive background checks including my wage, medical and credit history, passing their drug tests (which I understand for some types of work). It's been almost a month! It feels like they try to starve you out so by the time they extend you an offer they can low ball it and you're too desperate to refuse. Not to mention you need to tailor each resume and write each company a little fluff peice with the right buzzwords so you get their attention.

[@JR-bj3uf]

The job application process is broken. No one will talk about it because HR so wants the online job system to work but it doesn't. It is a waist land of unqualified applicants and favors only people with some connection or relationship with the company or employee.

[@JR-bj3uf]

@ch-yq5yn or, they want you to do a special report or project unpaid?

[@BobRooney290]

i've been jumping through jobs every 3 to 5 years. mainly because every single employer i've worked for has been nothing but toxic and abusive. i've set a number of rules for myself, the first one being to always keep looking for a better paying job. rule 2, the longer i stay, the more work they dump on me and refuse to compensate for it. this has happened every single time. rule 3, constantly update resume and develop a network of contacts for references that are guaranteed to provide positive feedback to the morons in HR. rule 4, always tell myself never to be loyal to any company. the cup of coffee worth in raises is not worth it always find a new job that pays $10k to 20k more than the previous job. because the 3% raise really helps so much when food costs are up 300% and rent goes up 15%. remember, these corporations raised prices on their products, so they are making huge profits, yet they are keeping salaries low. never ever thing less of yourself. i am tired of this foolishness, tired of being in this game.

[@JR-bj3uf]

@@BobRooney290 Amen

[@lohengrin4009]

Sounds like government work, they all have background checks and medical screenings including drug testing. It takes weeks in not months to get an interim job offer pending approval of ongoing investigation. Once you’re in it takes an act of God to have you removed as you will certainly notice when you become accustomed to your coworkers work ethics.

[@masaitube]

This is the best commentary section on KZbin I have ever seen. It's worth reading through.

[@miranda8598]

Agree!

[@METALHEAD550]

It's just sad that we are all here, because we have all been used and thrown out like garbage.

[@dudemantype]

I studied to be a geologist, 6 years. I love the outdoors, mountains, hiking. I ended up doing a mind-numbing desk job. I quit after 3 years. Building a career is also just torture. Low-income, no free time at some 'competitive' contractor. After a decade you can look forward to the fun stuff. Hell no. I was wasting my life. I was lost, bored and depressed. I sold everything, burnt all my bridges, went to Africa and volunteered in wildlife law enforcement. No proper income, but lots of fun, adventure and experience. Best decision ever. 20 years later I am now a comic artist, sharing my fun experiences. I've had a good life do far, but I couldn't have done it without first shedding myself of these social expectations.

[@NattyKatty77]

wow!

[@gw7768]

So funny about the burnt all my bridges part 😂..

[@EviMlcak]

What a noble job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love animals, but hate poachers!

[@mjohnson1741]

Congrats to you! You came to the realization young and pulled yourself out of the matrix! I too am much happier after leaving the "cult" of main stream society. If you have a pulse you should have a bachelor degree, work in corporate hell America, married, 2.2 kids, house and strive to make the 6 figure salary. So glad I said pick a finger to that and never looked back and couldn't be happier, I love life!

[@invidusspectator3920]

So true!

[@johncocksmith2693]

I’ve gotta throw in my 2 cents because I’ve had to personally deal with this over the last 3 years. It’s a myth, in my experience, that there are millions and millions of jobs out there at the moment. I left the military in 2019 and have had an impossible time finding a job. The only work I’ve been able to get is driving part time for my father in law. I was an aerospace engineering officer in the air force. I have a BSc in mathematics and am currently doing a MSc in Comp Sci part time. I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs that I’m qualified for, over qualified for, under qualified for. I’ve applied to many veteran friendly companies and used vet resources. Fuck all. I’ve had maybe 10 interviews over the last 3 years and none of them went anywhere. It’s actually crazy. I’ve tried to get help many times from people including HR professionals and everyone says I have a great resume.. but at the end of the day I’m still here driving a truck.

[@beneficent2557]

Its standard operating procedure to have a poorly designed ATS system and an incompetent HR department to filter out any competent resumes. Most of the HR Admins I knew are cultural marxists and can barely read.

[@beneficent2557]

Have you learned about ATS systems by any chance? I had luck with worse credentials than you because I learned how to organically tailor my resumes to specific positions.

[@johnran6015]

"Yo bro, you just like, have to want it man" - every podcast on earth

[@chickenbroski99]

@@beneficent2557 got any articles you reccomend?

[@elmateo77]

Ask a close friend that you trust if there's something wrong with you that might be preventing you from getting hired. Maybe you smell, or dress funny, or drive conversations in strange directions and just give off a weird vibe. I've seen all those prevent people from being hired. I'd also try applying in other regions, maybe there's just not a good market for the type of jobs you're looking for in the area you live. I'm in Dallas and the market for comp sci people here is hot af, I don't know much about mathematics grads but if you have programming skills you shouldn't have any trouble.

[@SquintsyBJones]

I'm a university graduate in my mid 50's now, with a successful 30 year professional career. Many years ago I saw a future, a house, a good woman, a nice retirement. Now I see none of that, just total disillusionment as I watch everything being taken away and I see an old age of hardship. My dad taught me to be an honest, hardworking, responsible man. He was right to do that, but where does it get us? I watch terrible, lying people prosper. Why bother? There is no meaning in any of it and I'd walk away from it all in a heartbeat.

[@Savagetennis]

You could make a difference with 1 person and pass it on.

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

GED, non-college,blue and gray collar tasker, frugal, long term aggressively invested in large caps (until recently) retired 7 years ago under 50, wife works part time at a job she loves with good medical benefits. We are low income, high assets so we don’t get any government cheese but we don’t pay for so many other peoples “bad luck” any more

[@JonathanBell-xl4dl]

@@Savagetennis that is not guaranteed to be effective.

[@Warbr33d]

Why should the fact that an incredibly small minority prosper cause anyone to just "give up" and throw in the towel? Makes no sense whatsoever..

[@Savagetennis]

@Jonathan Bell you need guarantees? There is your own personal satisfaction that you can learn to seek through helping others. Who said life is fair? Who said guarantees are included? Life is earned not deserved. And life isn't easy and it is tragic. But it was given to you. Seek and explore.

[@MsTyrie]

Thanks!

[@Nanarchy_2k7]

I had a job I loved and worked at for 9 years. Got laid off. Here's the breakdown, I have the same amount of money available to me not working as I did working after bills. Government has been lowering taxes on the rich and turning to the working class to make up the loss. The rich want us poor and focused on that being poor. If we're focused on fixing that issue, we're not focused on the bullshit they pull. I'm not on drugs, not on alcohol, not on disability or any government programs. I'm just sick of the system and don't waste my time taking part in it.

[@HashFace253]

Comrade! Come join the revolution! Join us commies

[@unknowncommenter6698]

Take all the money from government you can, get your taxes back and stuff.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

So who's paying your bills or are you living with a WORKING parent?

[@Nanarchy_2k7]

@@BruceLee-xn3nn Grandfather. I'm on call 24/7 for any assistance required, handle his bills, meds, meals, etc... He's 88yo. Unfortunately, I can't get paid for the position as there are restrictions on who qualifies for those programs. (namely, he makes slightly more than allowed for the program.) It's complicated and frustrating and involves government saying, 'nuh-uh. we don't wanna.'

[@mkelly4042]

But what do u do for money?

[@Martino2156]

I know a few older men that have given up on everything, but basically their life. Each one of them got screwed over hard by their spouse, were forcibly estranged from their children by the courts, lost and lost most of their assets ending up on someone else's futon after a lifetime of working hard for those people. They ended in deep debilitating depressions. It's amazing they avoided suicide. These men do not leave their home for any reason avoiding people at all costs. They are basically agoraphobic now. I believe that if they were forced out of there homes they would probably end their lives. btw, they are all on anti-depressants and none smoke weed or drink alcohol.

[@Warbr33d]

In all the religious scripts, there is the idea of feminine submission to their man. So women in the West got duped into thinking they were strong and independent and that any form of submission is a sign of weakness. It always haunts me to see how the Asian immigrants who come here behave in comparison with their local counterparts. You just know they make better wives than their argumentative Western counterparts. I'm genuinely surprised that Western women have not begun a mass awakening of how they've been played. Then again, it is men who are the true truth seekers, not women. Just look at the amount of women who believe in Astrology lol.

[@SoloRenegade]

exactly, men are lazy when they no longer have skin in the game. They no longer have anything to live/fight for. they are attacked an vilified by society. And I don't blame them for it. they feel helpless, and see work as pointless, and it's not by their own making.

[@steve00alt70]

Just sitting in the house sulking will make everything worse. Get up and go outside.

[@aoeu256]

@@SoloRenegade Its a perfect storm of the HR automated resume system, feminism, information destroying the bubble of our nation being the greatest, and addicting screens. Hopefully AGI can improve and build replicating robots so that we don't need to work as much and can live in a VR heaven.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@aoeu256 it's Far more than just that

[@thelantern9075]

Quit my inside sales office job about 5 years ago. Couldn’t stand any of the people I worked with, and the more you did, the more they wanted. The whole environment seemed repressed and everyone seemed hypnotized. I paint houses now by myself, live in a paid for mobile home on an acre of land and paint paintings and record music most of my time now. Never been happier. I’m so done with the matrix.

[@trailertrish2587]

I admire you for doing the sales office job for any length of time. I couldn't do it Excellent that you got out of there and are doing something you find rewarding

[@13infbatt]

I worked 20 years in medicine, I mow lawns now and never been happier .

[@thelantern9075]

@@13infbatt I know the feeling, I’m mowing grass as well! Exercise, fresh air, little hard work, good pay, and a morning schedule... balanced.

[@GlynDwr-d4h]

That's awesome

[@Witnessmoo]

Bro step up and be a father… Your destiny as a man isn’t to entertain yourself till the grim reaper comes knocking… wtf is that? You have to father the next generation and raise them right to continue the unbroken chain of survivors that goes on back for billions of years

[@MaxWell-pp9zs]

For years, I struggled with debt, which made it hard to save and take advantage of compounding through index funds. I know that’s a common experience for many people. After stepping back and really diving into research, I found strategies that fit my situation. It wasn’t an overnight fix, but over time, I saw steady improvements. Now, I’m debt-free, approaching retirement, and on track to hit at least $4 million. While this is just my journey, it's proof that with the right approach, things can

[@GoryNych-ru3op]

That makes sense. I’ve always thought luck plays a huge role in investing. Without it, it’s hard to really succeed, no matter what resources you have.

[@MaxWell-pp9zs]

I agree, luck plays a part, especially early on. But I’ve noticed that when results stay consistent, it’s usually due to more than just luck. When I had 300k, I realized that growing it further wasn’t just about timing or chance, but about strategy. That’s when I found Emily Ava Milligan, a fund manager whose approach to balancing risk and growth helped me build on that foundation

[@GoryNych-ru3op]

I did a quick search and found her page. I’m curious to learn more. I appreciate that you pointed that out.

[@jamesisntmexican]

bot comment

[@dazryan3463]

The simple fact that men being paid to do physical labour, at a minimal rate, and being shown no consideration for that effort, left battered and broken, is why men do not want to continue being used, ignored and latterly disregarded. In this 'new world' of equality and diversity how is that young men are still being used and abused as a beast of burden yet the media remain silent after decades of broken bodies that are then treated like a parasite on society because they are no longer able to work?

[@jayc342009]

someone i know who has worked and paid taxes his whole life was not given temporary accommodation when left homeless after breaking it off with his ex-girlfriend, he had to live in his car. Men are tossed aside so we can home and pay for single mothers. When we stop catering to men and encouraging masculinity, society collapses.

[@paulbucklebuckle4921]

Here here brother.

[@twogermanys]

@@brianmeen2158 retard-tier reply

[@themore-you-know]

Same. In my early 20s, I was knee-deep in sewage, watching the women whoring around in my circle of friend complain about their little jobs in nice offices and outdoors and salaries superior to mine. "equality", right, my a$s (everyone's, to be literal).

[@matrixInvader]

"used as a beast of burden" is a very apt metaphor for it

[@hectorguitar89]

I’m a software engineer. I pursued this career because I was always told that I need to go to college. I didn’t know what I wanted to study, so I decided to make my studies an investment with a good financial ROI. Ten years later, I’m absolutely miserable. I’m financially stable, but mentally unhealthy. My wife died by suicide a few years ago. Our biggest sources of stress were our shitty, meaningless jobs. I'm barely able to keep a low stress, good paying, work from home job because I'm burnt out and suffer from PTSD. It’s simple…what incentive do young males have to take jobs that disconnect them from nature, themselves, their purpose, their esteem, their sense of self worth, their friends, their families, and their communities and doesn’t even pay enough to buy a house…much less afford to raise a family? Meanwhile we’re addicted to products and content created by younger, healthier, funnier, more charismatic, better looking, and more confident millionaires who condescendingly shame anyone for not thriving in a capitalistic system where 3 billionaires are worth more than half of the population.

[@dervishmichaels9147]

I'm sorry about your wife. Hang in there and keep saving your money. Debt is slavery, focus on getting free.

[@MrTigertank69]

Amen brother, it fucking sucks.

[@redrosin99]

I am sorry for your loss. There are proven and relatively quick ways to treat burn out and PTSD. You can look into research using MDMA or magic mushrooms + counseling, Amsterdam in the Netherlands is a good place for it since the substances are in top quality. Iboga therapy is supposedly even stronger (haven't personally tried that). Regarding meaning, I would do that after integrating the PTSD and from a more relaxed point of view using existential therapy. You can combine all that with Ashtanga style yoga, I would be very surprised if after a few months of daily practice of Ashtanga (very different from other yoga styles) you are still in the same state. I think it is practically impossible but who knows. Find the right teachers and you can grow. You can put meaning in the most mundane and seemingly redundant things in life, however coming from a position of self efficacy and control is important for your well being.

[@googm]

God bless you, that's tough to hear.

[@alelectric2767]

I learned a trade and I’m feeling the same. So don’t think it the specific job. If you don’t have kids and you’re still young I recommend you bail on the job for a couple of years to travel the world. Sorry about your wife.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

It's quite simple: When you're constantly losing at every turn. The only winning move is to not play.

[@Wayoutthere]

That's part of the issue yes, everyday life and the future have become so chaotic and messed up these last years that many just tune out. This won't end well.

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

@@Wayoutthere What chaos? It's a combination of agendas, including constitutional emasculation.

[@kari8187]

Eek that’s a pretty bleak outlook. Get out of your city, change your environment and it will change you too. Good luck in your venture

[@clermeil]

If one is constantly losing at every turn even while others win, then the problem is oneself.

[@sassycaterpillar6631]

@@clermeil I'll let the people in North Korea know that. They must have forgot

[@mechawatt7844]

I’ve had my job for 25 years now. I’m finally making over $100,000 annually now and very thankful for that. But I’m still literally living paycheck to paycheck. I don’t drink. I don’t do drugs. I don’t go out. I don’t date. I do send my son to private school but is not an expensive school. I have a very modest house compared to everybody else. I don’t understand how others make it. I guess math works differently in the universe I live in.

[@J.A.Seyforth]

Unfortunately being clean doesn't help, I'm the same as you, but in a culture that is declining: I.e. drugs, drink, immorality and nihilism being clean makes you a sore thumb sticking out. If you want to be moral and clean you have to accept many people unlike you will find you insufferable and despise you, perhaps exclude you too. This will effect every area of your life, including opportunities, raises, friends, the liat goes on... But it's your choice right, you can choose a different path even than the current one because you're not dependent on chemicals or anxiety for a sense of self

[@christopherharmon9336]

I'd say 90% of the "problem" is the employers. Not getting 350 people to apply for one crappy job is now a "crisis."

[@salehali3372]

Absolutely

[@dm-jf5uu]

Yup I applied for a very shitty grocery store job now they won't leave me alone with their calls!

[@thesnare100]

not if they are choosing not to work, living off relatives and welfare instead of even looking for work.

[@slinkus-dq4co]

Yup, greed, 400 times inequality in pay from top to bottom of a corporation. Used to be 40 times maximum from laborer to CEO. Stock market ruined the world once again. Been a few wars over this already. These guys are head in the sand anti regulation types, it has never worked without the government on the little guys side, of course some regulations are insane and make things worse for the little guy as well, has to be well targeted and crafted.

[@DoctorWhoNow01]

Shitty pay, shitty job, and they wonder why people won't

[@sagon111]

I'm 59 college educated, and worked my whole life but in my 30's everything changed, my healthcare suddenly had to come out of my check monthly $820, and vacations were reduced to only 2 weeks a year, and we're not accumulative, in addition you couldn't take the 2 weeks at once. Raises became few and far between. Wages stagnated for 25 years. I left the hourly traditional employment work force working for someone else in 2006 and jumped into the gig work with several different sources of income. I make my own hours and actually work more, but much more gratifying, and happier. There are so many variables that are not mention in this discussion, especially wages in comparison to growth and wealth of the US, it just doesn't add up, it's appalling. We have all been hoodwinked.

[@dragorn3212]

what field are you in?

[@billnotice9957]

WHY did you not WALK!!!???? I am same age. Same background. If my employer cut my wages and dumped my Healthcare. GOODBYE !!!!The only good thing about having a McJOB. Is it is disposable.

[@susanarsoniadou]

Here in Europe you can work teaching English but you will never get rich. You need to do private lessons. That is , you have to be self-employed. Here is the catch. You need to declare the lessons . Otherwise , parents instead of employers steal from you. It is like a Catch-22 situation.Everyone wants to cheat everyone else...

[@thesnare100]

@@dragorn3212 yes what field/company were you in that changed your benefits? I'm working part time right now and I don't even get ONE full week off.

[@thesnare100]

@@billnotice9957 maybe cause she needs money to survive, gotta at least work until you get a better job.

[@MaximumCarter]

From my experience, most manual labor and manufacturing employers... Don't actually check criminal records. When I was alot younger, I would lie on every application. Whether it was work or criminal history and no one ever checked. Never once did it stop me from being hired. What stopped me from staying hired... Was my work ethic and anxiety. When I'd show up, I worked well but my crippling social anxiety and my habit of running away from challenges... Would keep me from showing up everyday. Happy to say that now in my 40's, I've finally found something I enjoy doing, I show up every day, I work hard and I'm now successful... Or at least in my opinion I am.

[@lurker-mq4fp]

Dedicate your life towards a shareholder-owned company, surrender your best years to it, see your bosses take credit for your work, then get outsourced/replaced by IT upgrades. I am astounded that more people don't throw it all in.

[@Witnessmoo]

Throw it all in for what? To be a parasite on those of us who get up everyday and work to provide the food these people eat, the cars they drive etc? Making an argument for parasitism isn’t edgy or smart

[@lurker-mq4fp]

@@Witnessmoo I work every day, despite the looming economic tsunami about to hit the UK. We both are just a number who would gladly be replaced by a machine if the owners could do so. I have seen it happen before, sadly.

[@jynxbot352]

Sadly because if you throw in the towel, you'll be punished with poverty and no ability to access healthcare. Many are afraid of that and for their families and rightfully so.

[@Misaamanenoir]

Or they get an immigrant to replace you at minimum wage because they’re just so happy to be in America and their lives were harder apparently in their own country and they call you lazy

[@madcat61207]

@@lurker-mq4fp yeah, and with any gap in your work history, they ask questions like, "well, then how did you pay your bills?" Or "Are you on unemployment?" And i just don't think it is any of their business.

[@johnwieczorek1184]

A fellow once told me about an employer who required 10 years experience with a program that has only existed for 5 years. This same company turned away the person who invented the program because he didn't meet the 10 year requirement.

[@alyssawoodman]

Lol 😂 This is brutal!!!

[@ntokheim]

I watched youtube vid of a guy who applied for a managerial job at bestbuy. They turned him down cause he was older and they were looking for someone who was around 19 but who also had 5 years experience. So they wanted someone who started working as a manager at age 14? How is anyone supposed to take these employers seriously?

[@fearless6947]

@@ntokheim lol can't be true

[@adacathy3018]

Just shows the ignorance of employers

[@snelokster]

😳

[@ajones0916]

I'm a 32 year old software engineer in this boat. Incredibly tired of the insatiable growth culture, lionization of work as life's purpose, and emphasis on hype over quality. I'm financially stable and have very little expenses so it's hard to convince myself to go back to work when I was largely miserable when working.

[@elmateo77]

Look at your assets and do some math, you might be able to retire soon. I'm also a software engineer with low expenses, and should be able to stop working around 35 and live off investment income, although I might go a bit longer since working from home is pretty chill.

[@ajones0916]

@@elmateo77 If I stay single forever and could reasonably get by without medical insurance I could probably retire now. I own my house, my mortgage is fully paid off, live in a state with very low taxes, and my total expenses are under $10k a year (outside of vacations). I do want kids at some point and / or would like to continue to vacation so I'll probably return to work soon but I certainly don't see that lasting too long.

[@BobRooney290]

@@elmateo77 locking down 10 year CD's between 4 to 5% will help with supplemental income. having a 2nd home/apt you can rent out also helps.

[@philiphudgens4726]

@@elmateo77 Exactly what I did...I retired last year at 31 having sold my share (40%) of my 8-year-old business to the remaining partners at a huge discount & I've done well with my property/stocks/crypto too. I've always maintained that we should only work for a secure future & to do things that we want to do, not to get ludicrously rich...ergo attaining financial freedom was the catalyst for me to exodus the 60 hrs/wk grind. The only real downside is that I don't get that fantastic Saturday morning or holiday "Ahhh no work today" feeling when I wake up anymore! 😁

[@YummyFoodOnlyPlz]

I have seen early retirement people go two ways. The first cohort cannot stay still and they volunteer or seriously pursue some long term project to fill their schedules. The second cohort just stay stagnant and only do the bare minimum -- this cohort almost always end in tragedy if they don't switch to be productive because they essentially become zoo animals bored out of their minds. Often it was either suicide or drug overdose or some other form of death.

[@plebjames]

I feel for these guys. Turn your screens off and go for a walk, or even a jog or go cycling, teach yourself a musical instrument, write a poem. Staring at screens is a tragic waste of your precious life. Boredom used to force us into activity but screens have robbed us of that

[@plebjames]

I appreciate the irony of saying "turn the screens off" having just sat here for nearly an hour watching a (this) KZbin video

[@zackcinq-mars2129]

@@plebjames You are spot on though. Screens are destroying young adults and our youth, especially the short form media. I appreciate the researcher's point that the backlash may have already started, because I do think it has. Schools around the country are beginning to ban smart phones. I think if we give it a decade we will all treat smart phones and short form media like the addictive drug they are. My fear is it will turn into the modern day version of coffee, where everyone is hooked, but it is socially acceptable and made tenable for everyone to participate in.

[@bwake]

Men have been systematically demotivated. It’s not the lousy pay so much as the fact that working gets them nothing they want. College educated men are in this group, too.

[@Warbr33d]

Well, when sex is easy to get and when men figured out that getting educated doesn't get you girls anymore, many don't bother. Looks are king nowadays women earn their own money. Women's mate preferences shifted so men acted accordingly. It's almost like keeping women out of the workplace was good for society and not just "the patriarchy" being mean.

[@moonknight4053]

When people work full time, they are left with little time after their hard days at work. I never understood how the world does that

[@grapeshot3462]

@@Warbr33d Sex is only easy to get for 5-10% of the male population. The rest get very little if any. 63% of all men 18-29 are single. More young men are virgins than ever before.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@Warbr33d most men are not getting sex either these days.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@Warbr33d yeah but what about lesbians?! If you keep women out of the workplace that’s ok for straights but how will lesbians earn a living? We should NOT have lesbian only UBI. I refuse to let the government create any new policies

[@spartansfan1026]

Man, why watch this for an hour? The answer is simple: you can slave for 40-80 hours per week at a "decent" job, sacrificing your social life and hobbies, and STILL not make it. I am not one of these unemployed men, but it's easy for me to understand why this group grows. All the money is continually funneled from our pockets to the top.

[@tommartyn524]

You people in the comments keep missing the overall point. Men have been over worked literally for thousands of years, but we’d always work. What changed? The nuclear family changed. There’s more single women/ men than ever before in history. Average women don’t want average men anymore so average men are thinking “ well why do I need to work? I’ll never have a family “

[@spartansfan1026]

@@tommartyn524 Don't agree. There are many women who dream of a nuclear family with a good, average, working man (despite whatever unimaginable manmade horrors await future generations). For that matter, there are plenty among us who can accept being overworked so long as they can provide well for a family. Right now, for many, that's just not possible. Your woman will be working full time just to pay for childcare, and you'll be working overtime to just barely pay everything else.

[@tommartyn524]

@@spartansfan1026 you can disagree all you want but you’d still be factually wrong. Go look at the studies, listen to podcasts, look at the studies on dating apps. Women are setting their filters for 6’3 men who make 6 figures. The average women DOES NOt want the average man. That’s not my opinion, that’s literally what women are saying. Furthermore, I’ll make the same point. Men have been overworked for literally thousands of years and those men were more than Willing to work ? What changed? The nuclear family changed. Average women have turned their backs on average men

[@spartansfan1026]

@@tommartyn524 So why is it that women want a man making so much money? Because our so-called "job creators" have left the average population sorely lacking in jobs that can support a family. I can't blame women in trying to seek a partner that can provide.

[@tommartyn524]

@@spartansfan1026 I knew you would do that. You literally just basically agreed with me and you’ve tried to justify women’s shallowness. “ well yeah women want men who make a lot of money but it’s justified “. Regardless of why women turned their backs on average men; you literally just agreed that they are IN FACT turning their backs On average men. Women have done what I said they’ve done; as to why is a separate discussion entirely

[@YoPhocFays]

Someone I know told his dad that he'd been looking for a job for 2 yrs and couldn't find anything. Truth was that he wasn't looking. He just didn't want to do anything. His dad finally kicked him out. He miraculously found a job within a week after getting kicked out

[@joebloe9901]

Modern jobs dont even pay rent. Why is that so hard to figure out? Men want a job that buys a car...take the woman out...save for a house. These people are clueless.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

Live like Mexican immigrants. 8 to 10 people per house. Share expenses

[@piotrd.4850]

"These jobs, are going boys and they are not coming back.... to your hometown".

[@LeeAdrian777]

Takes rich ass people to interview on a topic and supposedly be experts but it goes right over their head 😅

[@gfy2979]

They aren't clueless, they are hired narcissistic gaslighters.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Stop buying $40,000 vehicles and $1,200 phones.

[@İSTANBULSEFİRİSÜLEYMANÇAKIR]

Myth:"Nobody wants to work anymore!" REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!

[@ettoretavilla3081]

REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!

[@İSTANBULSEFİRİSÜLEYMANÇAKIR]

@@ettoretavilla3081 I ALREADY wrote that lol 🤣

[@WilliamAGould]

People whom complain about men out of work ignore high inflation, pay that someone cannot live on alone, impossible work hours (constantly changing schedule), hostile work environment (including being forced to go to "classes" that say how horrible men are), no chance of promotion, nor reward (promotions and rewards go to those that check off marks for lists of demographics). Any taxes the men pay go to benefit everyone else to allow everyone else to have an advantage over them (men). What we are seeing is the variation of the "grass eater" movement that has been around in Asian for a while. Men see a no win situation in trying to have a career or start a family. So, they go to ground and do the basics to survive. Historically, when men go to ground like this, the collapse of civilization is not far behind.

[@ettoretavilla3081]

@@WilliamAGould Excellent reply there, its designed by those at the top of "Triangle" to be like that

[@WilliamAGould]

@@ettoretavilla3081 They dance around the real reasons without actually commenting on them. Corporations have a built in interest to lobby for family courts to side with women. While men and women make around 50/50 pay. Women pay for 80%-90% of the products corporations sell. That is not even touching the loan industry. Men checking out means no more families, no more loans, no more alimony/child support. Minimalism cuts into tax revenue.

[@eljefe4473]

The elites can’t stand the peasants not reaching for the dangling carrot anymore.

[@BaddeJimme]

I think if that was really true they would do something about all those job advertisements that clearly aren't real.

[@hanss.5291]

That's why so many states are doing away with child labor laws.

[@Davids-cc9sn]

They ain't even dangling a carrot anymore, they just dangle a string that looks like a noose.

[@eljefe4473]

@@Davids-cc9sn you’re not wrong

[@marcduchamp5512]

They want AI to replace human workers. It’s all too clear

[@Steve-zp7cb]

Thanks for shedding light on this. Eye opening

[@adam7802]

I can't blame people when even for a mundane job at a supermarket they put you through lengthy tests designed to weed you out if you don't fit exactly what they want. it's very demeaning to be rejected constantly without hearing anything back - bit like online dating really!

[@official_emayel]

yep those questionnaires are wild. if you don't commit every answer to making yourself out to be an obedient little slave with no discretion for circumstantial adaptation, you're basically forfeiting your chances of getting hired.

[@MinifigNewsguy]

@Roger McMillan "online dating" was likely implied as a passive comparasion. Let's stick to the topic!

[@jackr2287]

My favorite one is "would you break a rule, EVER?!" Which the answer is, "well is the rule written in blood, or in black ink. I'll break the latter, the former is sacred. Where's my options... ah yes, [yes/no]. How granular."

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

@@jackr2287 A stupid rule, sure I'd break it. Sadly the only person who would employ you after that answer is Elon Musk.

[@jackr2287]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 And alas he's also existing in a bear market.

[@ArmourLad]

If owning a home, having a young wife and a family seem like a pipe dream then men wont turn up for work. Society has to offer these men something, they don't owe us their labour doing these tough jobs.

[@dirankomorov]

Absolutely! Near where I live they're building new apartments practically as far as the eye can see in one area, it's how they'll get to Klaus' "You will own nothing and you will be happy", I don't want to be a rent slave, I want to own a house on some land someday

[@gideona.dunkleyiii699]

they will just hire mexicans and foreigners to do the work

[@gamingforever9121]

@@dirankomorov then what you need to do is organized get politically active run for office be the change you want to see.

[@jakryan1497]

​@@gamingforever9121You clearly don't know how the world works.

[@gamingforever9121]

@@jakryan1497 I do it’s why I’m telling you stop being a black pilled bitch be the change you want. What’s stopping you consequences? If you feel things are truly bad then fuck the consequences. Do what feel you gotta do regardless.

[@tubalcain6874]

I turned 65 last month, and I work both a full-time day job, and a part-time evening job. I work in industrial sales in my day job, and I deal with a lot of industrial accounts, and some construction accounts. I get an earful of “nobody wants to work” frequently. Truth be told, I can say unequivocally, that I wouldn’t work for the vast majority of my accounts if you held a gun to my head. That said, I can see why millions of men are work avoidant.

[@davea3329]

It is because of the industry you are in. There is huge demand for sales, retail and hospitality. You are not competing with as many college grads. College grads want high paying white collar jobs. Anyone discussing the job market should differentiate that.

[@moonknight4053]

Dude, why’s true world like this?

[@cinemathequerouge317]

Yes, it is really hard to hide how vile a firm is from sales reps. 😂 You often end up seeing their true colours.

[@nicholascarter9158]

​@@moonknight4053 Because these kinds of jobs used to have union protections, and now they don't.

[@vincewega171074]

Great interview and stands up well a year later!!!!! Soooooo prophetic!

[@livingbeings]

Those “just show up not stoned” jobs do not pay enough to survive as a single person, much less provide for a family. These jobs are not economically viable for prospective employees, and yet the employers and college educated analysts keep crying “nobody wants to work” while refusing to see or listen to working people about the actual problem. You are offering poverty, and no one wants poverty. They would rather be homeless and free than spend their precious lives doing undignified work at poverty wages.

[@michaelwilliamson3551]

It doesn't help that the government gives $20 for a minimum wage for a hamburger flipping job.$20 an hour is my top wage when I was working. After years of training.

[@nickmansfield1]

It can also be about having to work on the religious day off in the week. In the meantime no foreign worker is exposed to effective background checks other than the duration of their residency in your country. And foreigners hire foreigners and speak all manner of different languages.

[@Weidjeep]

​@michaelwilliamson3551 the problem existed before $20 an hr started, $20 hr just made it worse. Wages in America are designed to keep you poor and busy so you didn't (past tense) notice the jobs leaving America or the illegals being hired in your place. Keep sleeping either way it's only going to get worse.

[@Nick-ij5nt]

boomers be like: "Why aren't you happy and fulfilled with your life stocking shelves at WalMart for $15/h?"

[@1clodhopper]

You are getting screwed man. Maybe get mad at the people profiting from your skill and labor instead of those who to just want to have a reason for working. Why work when it doesn't change your circumstances. ​@@michaelwilliamson3551

[@peternorthrup6274]

I remember the day I walked out and retired at 55. Nobody believed me. I had a great deal of responsibility. I left the company phone on my desk. Never looked back. Corporate greed made the decision for me.

[@minimalistvlogger3467]

tell me more

[@vincentharris7909]

💯!

[@unkorichie2029]

I did precisely the same thing at 48 years old! Worked at a failing biotech start up in L.A. One day, had a meeting with the boss, and he had the balls to say that I need to get more done (I was middle management). I was utterly offended and disgusted. Fortunetaly, I had been at some very successful start ups before this one, so I looked up all of my investments and savings, called my wife to tell he what I was about to do. I went to my boss, handed him my resignation, laptop, phone, keys and badge, and never worked again! That was June 21. Moved to Florida, and living the dream!

[@anms2023]

@@unkorichie2029 I resigned/unofficially retired when my employer started requiring the covid vax . Best decision of my life.

[@CillBill94]

I've retired at 28. Just need to eke my savings out for the next 50 years

[@kart29071983]

Great Wisdom and people must watch this video

[@petenztube8592]

Minimum wage $7.25. "Why is nobody applying for this job?" Yeah, it's a real mystery.

[@analogueoverdigital929]

😂 right. Doesn't even include that technically due to inflation AND govt taxes, your really making like 3 or 4 bucks an hr. Real mystery. Back breaking work for something that in an 8 hr shift you wouldn't even be able to pay one simple bill now a days.

[@Mattb81]

Bingo!

[@komlat253]

Yup federal min. Has been 7 25 for over 20 years even when the great recession in 2008 . The data is obvious. Why do u think native born school graduates are more likely to not be working than less educated immigrants? It's not cuz of the American dream .working a dead end job for a multi billion dollar corporation isn't ever going to get u the American dream.. no offense to immigrants, I glad they do it cuz I can't...yea there's a Macdonalds by my house and every single one speak Spanish as 1st language, none of them are making a living or reasonable age .I'd never apply for that job ever sorry..most Americans know why they don't want those jobs because there's no reason to be there

[@komlat253]

Yea I feel bad for some states. Atleast in Washington the min is 17.50 but I've never seen jobs that low so altho have had many different jobs ,if haven't made under 20 for like 7 years out of my 10 years of working. So I can actually make almost 200 in a day. It doesn't go far there but it feels better mentally

[@draighodge6039]

The minimum wage is $7.50 in my State...but most places offer $15+ for entry level jobs. They only want people who can produce $17.89 or more in goods or services because they pay payroll taxes in addition to wages. $15 is what the Market says is necessary to get applicants.

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Men: Stop treating us like shit, and pay us what we're actually earning. Everyone: No. Men: Fine, fuck it, we're out.

[@danmcqueen5295]

Well said.

[@kenkneram4819]

Amen brother!!!

[@schneisgmail]

Yes - this!!!

[@borg-borg-2015]

Everyone: no no, come back, why you no work!?

[@bobshanery5152]

Problem is your are arguing over the wrong things. Its not the job stealing your money you agreed with.. Its Government Taxes and inflation Would you not love to see a 30% plus increase in your pay? Who gets a 30% pay raise? The fight is not to make a place like McDonalds pay you 30hour. The fight is from the people who take 30% out of your W2, another 10% for everything you buy and more from inflation/state/fees. That is the real battle Imagine actually getting back at least 40% of your pay every week? Imagine gas prices still being a dollar something.. Imagine eggs going back to being in the cents. Focus on the real issues

[@ZyroZoro]

It's absolutely brilliant that near everyone in the comments understands why this is happening, yet these two guys in the video seem unable to grasp it. I'm not a neet anymore, but I was one for a good 6+ years. I completely understand what's going on. I remember in 2014 I was hearing about there being a huge shortage of labor in construction, so I started looking at postings for construction jobs. I couldn't find a single job posting for a basic entry level position that didn't require 2+ years experience. If it was true that they were desperate for workers, it certainly didn't show. Almost all so-called "entry level" jobs are similar to this. They say they're entry level, but then require experience, and in many cases even a degree. So when I hear that there's a labor shortage, I just don't believe it. When Eberstadt says all these jobs require is that you show up on time and not stoned, he doesn't know what he's talking about. If employers are truly in need of workers, they need to drop their BS requirements and become willing to train new people. The only jobs that are truly entry level are complete and utter garbage. I'm talking fast food jobs and the like. The problem with these jobs isn't just the dirt wages you get paid where it's seriously questionable if it's even worth it or not, it's also the schedules. You have no idea what your schedule will be. You can't make plans to do anything a week out because you have no idea what your hours will be. This situation makes these jobs a poverty trap that is hard to get out of. You can't get a second job to try to get ahead because the unpredictable hours could conflict. Good luck if you land an interview at a better job, because you won't be able to reliably schedule it. These jobs pay you so little that you become desperate and dependent on them, and so doing anything that could cause you to miss a day of work, like going to an interview, becomes incredibly risky because you could be fired and on the street. There's also the unspoken problem of transportation. For the longest time up until only very recently, I did not have a car, and that was a huge contribution to why I was a neet. If you don't have a car, and there isn't reliable public transportation where you are, you are at an incredible disadvantage. You are limited to where you can walk to, as well as the geography. If there's a job 10 miles away, forget it. If there's a job one mile away but it's on the other side of a big stretch of Interstate, forget it because you can't walk across the Interstate to get to work. If you do manage to find a job, unless it's incredible close to you, you'll need to pack a change of clothes when you go to work because you'll be sweating your butt off by the time you finish walking there. So yeah, I completely understand throwing in the towel and refusing to participate in society. Why would you work your ass off at a job paying you less than $2000 a month pre-tax with little hope of advancing in life when you could just stay home and play video games? Sure, your future will be screwed if you play video games all day, but your future will be screwed anyway if you work that kind of job, so why not try to have fun in the present? Even if you're lucky enough to get a decent paying job, the high cost of living these days means you'll have to live incredibly frugal anyways if you want to avoid going into debt. So what's the point? These authors, podcasters, and "experts" just don't get it. George Carlin is even more right now than when he was alive, "It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

[@truckywuckyuwu]

Transportation is something so many people over-look. Cars are fucking awful. Building entire infrastructures around needing them is the stupidest move we've ever done. You're literally stranded unless you have one, and they cost so much to maintain. Can't even bike in many of these cities with car infrastructure because of the dangers, but also the size. They're easily 3-6x the size of a similar sized European city. Cities that have trams and busses, and rail transit that get people anywhere in the city in 20-30 mins. I'm ready to just move out to the country. Living in the city is just a money pit because everyone's been forcefed propaganda on cars and the American dream. At least it's quiet out there. And cheap. If you can work to purchase a chunk of land, you can live on less than the poverty level just fine so long as you're willing to put in work. Raising animals, a garden, cutting wood for heat, learning life skills like frugality, repairing, recycling. Only buying essentials. And even though those lives aren't easy. They're easier, and less stressful than a city life is for most.

[@eskoelmwood5936]

Yes!

[@thomaslacornette1282]

It's quite the same in France, they don't stop saying there tons of jobs to fullfil in construction wich is mega dangerous work where you need real skills, tourism, hostels restaurant who not paying that well when it's sector that bring billions to France, even teachers start missing cause teen have become like gang members and even if you have like 5 month holydays it ot interest people with degreee no more XD. In anyway french salaries are just a pity and most of youngs will not be motivated for those hard jobs that doesn't pay enough. I guess those people doesn't realize work to just have the right to have roof, a little space and a car to just to feed yourself and go to owrk will not make dream anymore. in France housing is mega expensives too. Jobs where you just need to present you in time it's literally a joke for someone older that never experienced the actual world. There's also people who just live from their rents and don't need to work and those joining the criminality. There's so many peoples who doesn't work, just living from social aids and making their own stuff or gardening, selling things on internet, some might actually dvelop better business at a point than take a shitty work. IN many countries having social aids and not having a car give you an income not that far from a worker. This problem also explain another video problem about "dating doom" when you men doesn't have job, they more insecure and not really in mndset to found family. Had on this druges problems. The western system has created a monster. Most our satistic are completely fakes. If world was normal you should receive jobs proposals even if you don't search after all why it's to you to search, you could have nearby business asking peoples nearby to just come work nearby that would be simple... and also this famous demand/offer for fixinprice seems to not be valib to fix salaries, if it was working harder or most dangerous jobs should be paid far more. In europe at least we can quite well live without car.

[@thomaslacornette1282]

@@truckywuckyuwu I have seen documentary about USA towns, as a french it was quite shocking realizing that many roads doesn't even have sidewalk and you can't go to mall nearby on foot. XD

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

So you're young and unemployed. You're going to be seriously FKD when you're old and unemployed

[@ericrotermund1004]

I’m unemployed. I just installed $3k worth of tankless water heater for $500 I generated $2500 in value for my family In less than 24hours. Sourced $1100 water heater new in box for $250 and bought some pipes for $250 Just because you don’t work for the man doesn’t mean you are unemployed.

[@MasterTSayge]

The majority of my friends are making over 110k a year, and THEY ARE ALL MISERABLE! Most of them are burned out, PTSD, and extremely lonely! That's why i moved to St Thomas in 2017 after being an engineer for 5 years and became a bar tender, making 35k a year. BEST DECISION OF MY LIFE! Now I'm truly connected to nature and happy people. 😁

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

No incentive to work. For me is not worth going to college. Is better to work.

[@Smiler2724]

Also people moving to Asia countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia they are living comfortable life without headache

[@waynejohanson1083]

There is a price to pay for those high salaries.

[@MariusBelea]

do they still have open bar tender jobs in St Thomas? Since you're still there, it seems to be a sweet deal...

[@chickenmadness1732]

They shouldn't be miserable. You're supposed to do that kind of work for only a few years, live like you're homeless and save all the income so you can quit asap and retire in your 30s. If they did that they would be happy for the rest of their life.

[@Povole]

I quit my trades job to work part time in a warehouse. Trades job was great when I was planning on supporting a woman and having a family. I'm a single man now, no need for extra money. I value my free time for hobbies.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@luxurybuzz3681 not as much as women though besides most guys can live comfortably on $20k a year anything more is for fun

[@watamutha]

I've always said if I didnt have a wife and child I'd probably do the same thing. There's no point in working hard to support someone when there's no one to support. Also guy's needs are generally pretty low.

[@aoeu256]

@@luxurybuzz3681 like what kind of hobby?

[@Sentinel82]

@@luxurybuzz3681 He never said he had no income.

[@alelectric2767]

There’s no free time working in the trades? What? Get back in there save your money retire somewhere nice.

[@Phataku]

There's no point. The American dream is dead. No wives, no families. We are all just marking time to death.

[@JohnRWF]

There was a point before ... from the stone ages to modern times ... but you are right. Without a woman or a family to work hard and sacrifice for, to build buildings and bridges for, to provide for, there is a lot of "what's the point-itis" going on these days. It's like, the moment that men finally got society to a point where we have made things modern, comfortable, and safe for women, and created a society where women have equal rights, the same women have turned around and said they don't need or even want men anymore. They don't realize that this is the ultimate luxury, and that it was built on the backs, bodies, and blood of men from time immemorial until now

[@arewestilldoingphrasing6490]

Paraphrasing George Carlin here Its called the American Dream because you gotta be asleep to experience it

[@Phataku]

@@brianmeen2158 I appreciate the thought, but this is far past trying to "meet women." Western civilization is dying. Maybe I will meet someone, but most likely I will not. It won't matter in the fullness of time. We lack the will to do what needs to be done to save the West.

[@wendellbabin6457]

​​@@Phataku The saddest thing is it doesn't even think it NEEDS saving. What JP calls "living off the corpse of the Father".

[@JohnnyAmerique]

@@PhatakuNot just the west; in fact, things are even worse in the east. Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan have among the lowest birth rates ever recorded anywhere in human history. The only places where the demographic foundations are stable are places that have yet to experience any significant degree of industrialisation, and so men have to be men and women have to be women, because there are no artificial systems in place to keep each from depending upon the other. I’m not sure I have the solution, but I do see where things are headed, which is some sort of catastrophic breakdown of industrial civilisation globally until such time as the natural order of things is restored. And that natural order is one in which men lead, protect and provide, while women support, care and nurture. How arrogant we have become in thinking that we can legislate and shame our way out of the natural gender roles that millions of years of evolution produced.

[@stevenlogan4038]

I’m in this demographic. Mid 40s single white male with college education. I’m on the quitters team because it’s horseshit. I’ve got education and experience and the only jobs I can land are forklift and even supervising general labourers. For 2/3 of the income required to survive. Where in the last 5 years - structural wages have gone from like 19-21 an hour. I spend a ton on fuel and vehicle maintenance, I spend most of my energy making the bossman rich, I have little energy and money to embark on my own little side projects, the rut gets hard to get out of and you feel paycheque to paycheque. Yet, when I quit. I saved $400 a month in fuel and haven’t had near the car troubles. I get to sleep in, freelance on a few transferable skills (logo design, car cleaning) and I had the time to perform bodywork/rust repair on my car so she’ll last longer. I had perfect attendance at work and did a good job. I always take pride in my work. I know what I am worth and they know what it should be worth. But the numbers game means you can offer peanuts and someone is desperate enough to take it.

[@saintsword23]

I'm a six-figure earning engineer that writes software for space vehicles, and yet I think about quitting my job almost every day. Since I've made it into the upper-middle class and am doing well, yet I'm still miserable about the whole thing, I know that salary, benefits, and like really aren't the issue. The issue is that there's nothing worthwhile to live for. Men can endure poverty, long hours, and all the difficulties of life...if it's for a worthy cause. All the things that gave men purpose in life have been either commercialized or completely decimated in the last few decades: having a family, participating in a religion, wanting to improve or defend your society, etc. Family life has become atrocious for men, religion has been gutted and made more about politics and tribalism than reaching for something transcendent of us, and no one wants to improve this society because it's clearly a failing mess of radical ideology. There's nothing to emotionally invest in anymore. Jobs just make the boss richer; they don't increase mating opportunities anymore, they don't contribute to anything greater or transcendent of us, and woke bullshit is shoved down our throats the whole time. There's no solid place to put one's energy. Thus, men are checking out to play video games and watch pr0n.

[@mmmbbop9351]

Brilliantly said sir. Well done. I'm a trucker myself so I'm not on an amazing wage, but I do I vest nearly 30% of my income every week and have done for the last few months. I do it for my son. I had him late in life but he is my world. I thought I was oh so clever and wise but since having my son I realise what's truly important.

[@jonmarchilgers384]

Amen Brother. You took the words out of my mouth and put them to paper. I too am an Engineer. After my Wife called it quits, it left me living with my family. Oh, I have money from liquidated assets after the divorce (Homes), but so what. Boss gets richer of which is okay as I’m not a socialist, wife moves on with a banner of feminism and my So Cal family is card carrying wolk folk. At 59 and a Veteran, I can’t wait to live in another country retired at 62. The way I’ve been treated (White, middle class, non-degreed professional who has never bounced a check or struck anyone) it’s as if todays culture can’t wait for me to leave! I’ll take my retirement income elsewhere. Thanks

[@saintsword23]

@@jonmarchilgers384 Ya, I hear you brother. I've only been doing engineering for a few years and I'm already pretty done. I don't see the point of putting in these long hours. The pay is nice, but now that I have a nice nest egg and minimal expenses I'm already quite comfortable. It's amazing how little a single guy with no interest in the dating market really needs. I'm probably going to join a monastery when my current lease is up. I see complete dedication to my spiritual practice as the only worthwhile path available. I don't have a particular religion exactly, but I learned meditation from a Buddhist tradition a while back and will continue that. I don't know what religion you hail from or believe in, but every one of them I know of has some sort of contemplative tradition. I was an agnostic atheist before I learned meditation and Buddhist meditation practices are very compatible with that worldview (they just instruct you to watch your breathing). But I know Christians have multiple contemplative traditions, as do Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. You might give this a consideration. Most religion has become tribal and intolerable to me, but there's spiritual practice out there that still seems quite meaningful.

[@ErnaSolbergXXX]

I quit my 300k software dev job, because the money becomes worthless. It does not give anything more. We can't save it due to inflation, we can't put it in the stock marked because if we win, all profit goes to taxes, and if we loose, we have to take the whole cost. Doing realestate is so heavy taxed and people renting belive they are checking in on a luxury hotel with 24/7 service and "the landlords are just gready capitalists that exploid them" without understanding most of what they pays goes to taxes and maintainance. All i want in the end is just freedom. "I leave you alone and you leave me alone" but once we are not left alone, then what's point?

[@lmeza1983]

I live in Mexico and I think there are many factors but the most critical is how expensive things are now and what society expects from men. Society wants us not to complaing about anything and accept that if you are poor and miserable is because you want it that way. Women still want the old male responsabilities to be upheld by men but all the priviledges of modern feminism for them, society tells us that if you are young you are dumb and need to climb the salary ladder which will take a decade at least. In the current economical conditions from your 20s to your 30s you will be broke barely paying the rent and bills and dating women is very expensive specially when they have Tinder to choose from 100+ different dudes, I mean they can party each week free of charge as long a different man pays. In addition they won't accept a man that makes less than them and any women can make more than a man just by opening an OF account. Women in the past were told to marry, have kids and choose a man that loved her and was willing to take care of her, the money was going to be there eventually if the man worked hard for it and she was going to take care of things at home for him. Now they get the idea that they deserve the top tier men with the looks and the money, that creates lonely poor young men that even trying their best are still miserable also with the inflation out of the charts affording a home is becoming impossible so you stay with your parents the longer taht is possible or share a cheap apartment with other dudes. Also jobs in Mexico are killing our souls, you just are a tool that has to live to produce and be efficient 6 out of 7 days a week. Can you really blame men if they prefer whatever hobby they like ther most, drugs, whores, video games and doing just the bare minimun to survive rather than a life of hard work and a demmanding wife that can leave you at anytime and take half of the things that took you 20 years to build??? Men are losing hope in finding a decent young women, this exactly the root problem for young men: affording a home, having a wife and rising kids is a luxury now when it used to be the nucleus of a functional society...

[@carltaylor4942]

Yes, It's so hard to understand why a man would not want to spend his entire life working for a company that simply doesn't care whether he lives or dies and will sack him the moment his paid time off runs out, whether he's lying on a beach or in a hospital bed.

[@joeBishop866]

Wow. It's almost like businesses have something better to do with their time and energies than hold your hand. If you want a company to REALLY CARE about you; start your own business. If you want people to really care about you; start a family. If you really need a friend; get a dog.

[@bobshanery5152]

@@joeBishop866 Very true and yet most of these comments here think a random business is supposed to be your friend/family. Its a job you do for money. You can find a business that you make friends in or what have you but in the end of the day.. Its a job. Its as if people today want a business to be a parent or something. Society is collapsing.

[@robinjohnson4646]

That is spot on. I agree that corporate life can be soul killing, but then learn a trade. Be a plumber, set tile, shoe horses, drive a truck, train to be a police officer, etc. I live in a very blue collar area, and all the men are working, have families, throw parties, go to sporting events, and they all seem at least reasonably happy with their lives. Not to mention the fact that many of the make pretty good money.

[@ARCSTREAMS]

id rather be lying on a beach, so take this job and shove it lol

[@brainjuice6547]

@@joeBishop866 This is a heavily culturally biased mentality that is not the be all and end all mindset of how the world of work and business should work. It is merely the mentality that America itself has chosen to follow and these are the consequences. It's not how things have always worked. While there obviously has always been a bias towards self-interest throughout time, the way systems worked have changed over the years for numerous reasons that have ultimately lead to the state of the world we see today. Back in the middle ages, you ploughed fields and lived on the edge of poverty with the possibility of getting murdered by invaders or you willingly put your life on the line and fought battles for glory, wealth and status. Times were more simple back then for better or for worse. Nowadays things are complicated. Mo matter which way you look at it, life has always been about survival of the fittest but now we live in a world where veterans who have been released from duty are struggling to adapt to civilian life because of how complex it is. To do anything in life nowadays, you have to fill in a billion forms and go through a ton of legislation and people are both intimidated and fatigued by this. Therefore, they choose to instead turn to the few things that form filling and legislation is not a barrier of entry, things they can just go and do immediately. When you look at videogames for example and the instant gratification they bring when you accomplish something that would take ages to accomplish in real life, you can clearly see the problem. There's too much red tape and legislation, too many forms, too many registrations and other complications of the like. You didn't need to have qualifications back in the day, college was a luxury, now it's become somewhat of a mandatory gateway that more or less everyone goes though and by the end of it, they are no better off because their competitors all went through the same process and came out with the same results and when they apply for the job, they are turned down because they don't have the necessary experience. Qualifications are worthless in that regard. The world has become too clinical and legislation is what has caused all of this. Attempts to improve social systems over the years has brought upon too many complications. People look at employers as heartless and evil but they too are a victim of this clinical environment of over-legislation that presents a huge minefield for them to navigate and therefore the nature of employment has changed as a result of legislation. It's no secret that many people out there who are working low income jobs are employed solely as a result of legal loopholes and their careers are literally hanging by a horse hair. How can we have a world where we have connection and empathy when over legislation has created this clinical void? You can't even volunteer for unpaid work without filling in forms anymore. It's all because of people using the court systems to file lawsuits for compensation and companies have to cover their backs and they need to get solicitors to do this which adds more to the costs. Why do you think so many people go to law school? That's where all the money is, because Law plays a role in everything and knowledge of Law is in high demand because Law is so complicated now. On top of this, you have companies that are mostly owned by wealthy people in the middle east, some of which have never run a business in their lives who are greatly influencing the decision process of how companies operate for the sake of short term gain so that they can profit from trading stock. When companies are publicly run, who is ultimately going to be held accountable? The CEO can't be held accountable because they're just an employee and they can resign at any time with a guaranteed job position elsewhere offering the same wealth and status. If no one is being held accountable, it means that these shareholders can get away with basically anything they want at the expense of both employees and customers of the service. What irks me is that despite all of this legislation, we still do not have a law that forbids companies from allowing public shareholders and requires shareholders to be connected to the company in some way, requiring them to work a station of some sort. If you aren't working in the company, why should you have any rights of ownership? It's all wrong. Yet somehow we have all these other regulations that are constantly bombarding both employers and employees. We are being suffocated by it.

[@nickp6498]

Let me say this. A lot of companies are simply unpleasant to work for these days. At every single job I’ve been to people say “it was so good back in the day, we were treated well, we got shown appreciation, we had events, sports teams, double pay on sundays, etc…”. Now most of these companies suck. They don’t give a shit about the employees anymore. I don’t want to say this is 100% of the reason, but it’s a big chunk of it. People don’t want to work for a company that treats them like dirt.

[@jimmyjones2185]

I'm 27 all I've ever heard is how awesome everything used to be.

[@MidnightMark12]

@@jimmyjones2185 The 80's were the best time in the USA.

[@Michaeleism]

And here I thought, children and women had it bad working in factories and coal mines for pennies. Refugees having to start over from nothing, after fleeing war torn countries. Only for men of this generation, to complain about corporations not being "nice" to them. Or feeling like they are owed success, for being undisciplined and not putting in the work required to be successful. The men of this generation are absolutely sad and pathetic. You are starting out with basic opportunities that are denied to so many around the world, yet you sit around bathing in self-pity and complaining..

[@patrickwilliams7078]

It's like that in the uk as well. I recently walked out of a job cleaning buses because there's no respect for the employees you're there to make money for the directors of the company for minimum wage and you're expected to work backbreakingly hard for your money. I'm 62 and pissed off about the decline in job quality that has occurred over the last 20 to 30yrs in the UK. I am no longer engaged with work. I'd rather work for free for a good cause but I've got to pay rent etc. Unless you have savings or some valuable assets that can be cashed in you are a slave to the system of work It's been designed that way to make the way out as punishing as possible.

[@Maxamos555]

In my opinion when there's a problem at the bottom its because of a problem at the top, government has probably changed alot since the "good old days."

[@TacoTomtheBomb]

What I didn't hear the man mention about the working age males sitting at home in front of a screen stoned is that most of them are paying child support. Works sucks, but it is a nightmare when when you don't even get paid. The unemployed men issue is a symptom of a failed society.

[@jaimhaas5170]

As a 60 yr old male living in the USA I have been told so many times "we want a woman for this job" or "you are overqualified for this job". Many of us have been told to go away and not just in the job dept.

[@ronswansonsdog2833]

No one has told you they want a woman for this job, because that’s EEOC violation you could take action against. Come on.

[@jaimhaas5170]

@@ronswansonsdog2833 that just shows me how ignorant of reality you are.

[@jaimhaas5170]

@@andred3299 no money in it. No lawyer would take it.

[@paperandmedals8316]

Yes!!! Being told you’re overqualified. How absolutely stupid is that? To turn away a prospective employee excuses they’re too good?

[@mariaansley1519]

​@@ronswansonsdog2833even if they did want a woman it's because they have mostly men.

[@CillBill94]

When you are younger you believe there is an immutable relationship between merit and reward. As you get older you realise the relationship is between corruption and reward. If you are incorruptible you will have very very little in this life.

[@mmmbbop9351]

Very true. When I first started bricklaying, I had to keep lying to get on site. I got sacked from atleast 8 jobs before I got good enough to be called adequate. Then I got on with a firm who trained me properly, so was quite lucky. I'm a trucker now, but I'll never forget how humiliating it was to lie like that and get fired again and again. However, if I didn't put myself through that situation, I wouldn't of learned the skill. Just to add, I'm not in construction anymore as they all tend to be drongos and they are all high on drugs - the mental health crisis with construction and road workers in England is unreal due to drugs

[@ourworldtoday2024]

Hmphhhh... true

[@rdallas81]

@@ourworldtoday2024 💩

[@OurNewestMember]

​​@@mmmbbop9351 you don't think much of the drug use is the by product of not seeing a worthwhile path forward (plus any untreated mental/physical/social problems) but still needing some money, so putting in a half-assed effort by getting a job doing something, even if it means you're showing up kind of hung over and maybe reupping on your lunch break? I don't imagine that most people in construction have everything going for them but then drugs crept in and fucked it up (...not because there's anything wrong with construction, but it's a field where you do the hard work and often get rewarded less, so I don't think these people are calling most of the shots in life, hence why drug use might not be _the cause_ but another side effect of a challenging situation)

[@mmmbbop9351]

@@OurNewestMember you take forever to say nothing. Men have faced many hardships over the years and not broken, but kicked life in the arse and emerged victorious and unbroken. I understand exactly what you are saying and I think the reason why most construction workers suffer from these affliction's has got nothing to do with personal circumstances and everything to do with the culture. Read "black rednecks and white liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It details the origins of the ghetto mentality and it's effects on the society that glorifies it. I worked with a Lad from Stoke tonight (am currently in a hgv job which is double manned) and he was an absolute scumbag and revelled in that fact. Over the last two weeks alone, I have worked with Africans, Polish, Romanians and the English. My fellow countrymen have that ghetto mentality in spades and it makes me so God damned ashamed.

[@Clintsessentials]

In my grandfather's day and age, men and families had community. Also, when men went to work, there was absolute loyalty on both sides (employee & employer).

[@DoctorTheopolis]

So that's why we didn't need unions. Everyone just got along.

[@ExecuteBrandon]

lol… that’s because your grandfather actually worked, not surfed Facebook the entire day.

[@PaulBisso]

That's because your grandfather had a job with small business. Not a large corporation I'll wager.

[@Clintsessentials]

@@PaulBisso Nope! The County Water Authority...

[@lawr5764]

Employer loyalty in the past is a myth.

[@Gideonrex1]

The marriage thing is so dumb. People marry when they’re financially stable, not the other way around.

[@drsnooz8112]

The last few generations of men have been subject to social institutions that are hopelessly broken. We grew up in broken homes. We got fed to vicious stepmothers, and quietly bore our mom's baggage from the divorce. We went to schools that couldn't teach; went to colleges that were scams. We got jobs that were filled with knob polishers and blowhards. They got promoted and celebrated. We got crapped on and abused. We were given women who are unmarriable. We got politicians who are corrupt scallywags, and who rob us at every turn. We got banks who blow up the world economy and award themselves bonuses when they do. We didn't create any of this, but we did get blamed for it all. We got blamed (and drugged) for disrupting class. We got blamed because our girls were unhappy. We got blamed because our mom was a mess. Blamed because our Dad wasn't getting enough when we were around. We got blamed for not being enough like the knob polishers and blowhards. We got blamed when our job got shipped overseas and we couldn't find another. We got blamed for voting wrong, eating wrong, spending wrong, investing wrong, exercising wrong, buying trucks that are too big, making too much trash, exhaling too much CO2. There comes a point when you say, "I didn't create this mess and I can't fix it when everyone keeps yelling at me. What I can do is withhold my participation." And that's what has happened. Men have said, "Good luck with all this. Call us when you need us." Now you need us real bad, but you're still blaming us, so things will continue this way. You don't get the men you want. You get the men you get, and you hope to encourage and inspire them to become better. You give them precious wives, who give them precious kids. You give them a patch of land and a mule. Give them something beautiful to protect, something honorable to aspire to and they'll give their last drop of blood fighting for it. Everyone seems to have lost sight of that fact. I have been very intentional about withholding my participation from evil. I checked out of school after I got my BA. I checked out of dating in my 30s. I quit my evil job and spent 5 years unemployed rather than go back to evil. I finally found a place that isn't evil, with great people who respect me, value me and do the right thing. I've done miracles for the company. Sadly, I'm working far below my potential. But that's how it is when everything is broken. I won't joint this merry-go-round to Hell. So best of luck, call me when you need me.

[@kingfisher1638]

And all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

[@psycropticqc]

''Everyone seems to have lost sight of that fact'' This fact is nevertheless engraved in the DNA of every man on this earth, of all cultures, religions, philosophies and ages. Whether he realizes it consciously or not, homo sapien has always been governed by this immutable law... In the event of the hypothetical scenario that this can no longer be achievable or at least dreamed for EVERY individual undoubtedly leads to only 2 situations: the 1st and usually opted one (the happy ending) is a ''rectification'' called: Mayhem. The 2nd situation (unhappy ending) much more permanent and irrevocable is a ''suppression'' called: Extinction..........

[@mkelly4042]

Drsnooz8112 this is very well written n u make some solid points. Part of me and likely part of any group that has been disadvantaged in their lifetime possibly thinks to say "welcome to my life. Nobody cared when I had it bard or harder " this is true n understandable n maybe you haven't either but I think the point is that is the problem with this revolving shell game of who society favors n promotes n who they sort of punish or allow to fall by the wayside. Its always unfair to someone n I've never felt 2 things can't be right at the same time. Understanding n empathy cost nothing n we should not be in competition with one another.

[@vincentharris7909]

💯

[@quadgod77]

Best comment

[@mr.davisscorner6260]

The job market is the same as the dating market. Unreasonable demand while offering very little in return. When job requirements for entry level jobs are longer than the resume of its application, you know something is wrong.

[@supersaturn956]

facts

[@karendove5882]

Men used to consider a woman raising children and taking care of the home as enough. Now women are called gold diggers.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Why would young men maintain with their hard work and taxes a society that hates them, belittle them, slave them, and have to pay for children not 9f their own?

[@donttreadonweeee9478]

Paying for children not your own? What are you even talking about?

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 child support, they can chain you to pay for HER kids no matter what paternity test say, it's paternity fraud.

[@Vitlaus]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 Taxes go to welfare mommas with several kids. Taxes also go to defense/airspace CEOs and their kids.

[@Macheako]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 your tax money is given to single mothers. Dur

[@donttreadonweeee9478]

​@@Macheako Takes a man and a woman to produce a baby. Do you think these women are getting pregnant magically from god? If you are going to punish women and children you need to also punish the shitty men that impregnate them and leave them.

[@FeedMeSalt]

I haven been unemployed since i was 24. Im 27 today. I work for the wealthy older folks who bought up all the property near me for millions. I got paid 180$ cash yesterday for driving 80 minutes and picking up a heavy table for an old man. Day before i stacked 2 cord of fire wood in about two hours and made 60$ You better believe im never gonna let the government take 22-36% of my wages again. Im never gonna work in a factory for 18$ ever again. I have been without medical care most of my life in Canada. I dont drive and i have never needed the police. The government can starve. Because im done going hungry.

[@angelacahill9460]

If you don't drive, how did you get paid $180 driving for 80 minutes?

[@seamusconlan9673]

I've been a slave in a dead end mind numbing job until I felt broken and defeated and then they got rid of me and replaced me with another slave. If you keep your head down and don't make a fuss and accept all their shit they might even allow you to be a slave for your entire working life.

[@Savagetennis]

Or you take responsibility for your life.

[@megja1812]

You can change that. I have two degrees to avoid this.

[@karolisbareika8306]

​@@Savagetennis ...and still be a slave 😂

[@Savagetennis]

@Karolis Bareika maybe for u. We all have responsibilities. You aren't a child. Accept what life has and do something of value. Maybe then you won't cry over spilled milk. I grew up with little. Had a great mentor, read, improved, made a choice. See the world and its horrors or do the best I can with what I have. Sit in your shit if you want. Let's see where that gets you.

[@olearyma57]

@@Savagetennis God you have been well educated to these ideas.

[@jasonwilliams8321]

All the time I grew up and when I entered the wrk force all I heard was “All employers are looking for is someone who will show up to work.” Well, if the job pays enough people will show up and do everything they can to keep it. The vast number of these jobs in question pay at or below the poverty line. That’s the issue.

[@mrwednesdaynight]

I haven't seen the postings for these jobs that just want someone to show up who is not stoned. I see jobs that want 3 to 5 years of experience and a Bachelors Degree for something that pays barely better than McDonald's.

[@RyanPMcGowan]

@@mrwednesdaynight No joke.

[@killman369547]

@@mrwednesdaynight Right. The boomer generation is so out of touch it's seriously not funny anymore. Maybe in their day jobs only required you show up on time sober but today that sure isn't the case.

[@mikearchibald744]

There is also the point that many employers simply prefer to hire from overseas or have temporary foreign workers. In order to do that, they need to advertise and go through the process of looking for americans, but when they can't find any, they can apply for foreign workers.

[@yacovpetrovich1612]

In Russia the bosses pretend to pay us, we pretend to work

[@jacksquat4140]

I've been watching this a long while, and it seems to me that most of these men are sick and tired of working shitty jobs for little pay, and with no future, then losing what they accumulated through divorce. These men are sick of being wage slaves and being forced into marital servitude. They are often treated like second class citizens at home, and abroad, and have been disillusioned by the system. Many of these men have come to the realization that their employers are just as loyal to them as their wives, so unless they keep producing, and appeasing their overlords, they will be kicked to the curb. Walking on eggshells at home, while treading on thin ice at work, ruins the incentive to play the game. A game that is hopelessly rigged against them.

[@gamingforever9121]

I repeat burn this failed system down .

[@just2comment2]

How many have seen their parents go through divorce and end up half as rich and battling to make ends meet unless they meet someone else very quickly, the world is increasingly making it difficult unless you are a two person income household.

[@jacksquat4140]

@@lesterdiamond6190: Marriage is almost as risky as laying it down in Las Vegas or losing your life savings at the track. I've loved and lost and will never again enter into an agreement where the other party does not have as much to lose as I do, should things go sideways. Then again, women have financial incentives to marry, and to divorce, making marriage a risky and reckless proposition for men.

[@kamrudkd]

Most ppl want an easy life, if they can get it. But now most men don't have families, that would have motivated them to do work for the sake of their wife and kids. 60% of men between the ages of 18-40 are lonely, single Incels, invisible to women and addicted to por*. Society is looking to collapse. If not that, a new order is on the horizon

[@sik3xploit]

In chat I've just been seeing slaves heckling others for not wanting to be slaves. "Man up" and put that chain on your neck.

[@11East]

It used to be that even an average guy with an average job could live relatively comfortably. At least be able to pay the bills, save a bit, take a holiday once a year. Now not only do you have to do a job with no real purpose you’re still broke. Wages haven’t kept up with inflation for over 30 years. We’re seeing the repercussions of that now.

[@brushstroke3733]

​@Long John Thilver That depends on where you live. A one bedroom apartment where I live is currently about $2000/month and up. $2000/month is for the lowest rent neighborhoods. Many people don't earn enough to live alone in this place.

[@brushstroke3733]

@Long John Thilver Goleta, a few miles from Santa Barbara.

[@TheLouisianan]

This is something that always confused me, but I think a big part of it is because of all the quality of life things we spend our money on too (as well as straight up inflation). My great grandfather raised a family with 5 kids working as a Carpenter on a single income. They also didn't have cars with loads of safety features, cellphones, laptops, streaming subscriptions. A lot of this stuff that has improved our quality of life has in a way ruined our lives. It's the moral of Fight Club that our materialism has enslaved us to our material things that we pretty much can't live without unless you're a monk.

[@11East]

@Lawrence Newman thats one of a few reasons. Top earners vs bottom earners gap has increased massively within companies, high levels of immigration pushing wages down, loss of manufacturing jobs, high inflation and the general poor mental health of people (mostly men) in general. They’re all factors. Mass immigration on its own probably wouldn’t have that much impact.

[@edbohemier9785]

Sounds a bit like my theory - people aren’t looking for jobs they are looking for careers ( from after the shutdowns ruined so many businesses destroying many lives you heard “ there’s so many jobs out there”

[@CamilleMason]

What a great episode! And still relevant in 2024,

[@BBBILLY86]

I started in engineering 1990 making $14,800 with health, dental, vision free. Also included 401k matching. Month salary as Christmas bonus. All air travel miles went on my personal frequent flyer account to get free vacations each year. There were half a dozen free parties that myself and family were invited to for free. Christmas, amusement parks, picnics. Fast forward 35 years as an engineer still working on projects worth many millions and one worth 4 billion. Im making $79,000. I have to pay for my own health, dental, vision insurance. Pay union dues. Pay into my pension fund. Pay into my 401k myself no matching. 10 years with no raise or contract. ALL PERKS, events, bonus, parties have been stopped decades ago. And my standard of living in 2024 is half what it was in 1990.

[@AnDo-ic3ro]

In Australia My car Manufacturing ( maintenance technician) job retrenched me in Oct 2017 it took 6 months to get a job $5 less per hr I was lucky at 48 now 55 company is talking voluntary retrench no way It's too much of a risk at 55 I tell everyone don't risk it your too old. They say yes I can take a package & get a job

[@michaelwilliamson3551]

I'd give you one piece of advice brother stop putting money in your 401k and start buying physical us gold coins. 50 dollar gold eagles have gone up 23% in the last year and that's tax free... 2600 an ounce and I paid between 7 and 900.00 for most of mine...

[@BBBILLY86]

@AnDo-ic3ro Seems to be thier game to keep us all scrambling and happy to have a job as pay barely keeps up with inflation and benefits get taken away. Took a few pay cuts over the years also. People say we gotta keep schooling to keep pay going up. When I started this career we made blueprints with pencils and calculations by calculator and paper. Today solid 3D modeling and analysis. Rapid prototyping, full power of modern technology, etc. Yet pay today doesn't provide life it did 34 years ago. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@kevintewey1157]

Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism

[@patty109109]

@@michaelwilliamson3551this is God-awful advice. Coming from a guy in his 40’s who has a substantial retirement portfolio: start early and be aggressive buying into an index fund. Ignore bad news and bear markets-don’t sell and fiddle with it. Keep head down and buying. You won’t be retiring on gold coins. Historically they have a poor return, they are not tax advantaged, and they have astronomical transaction fees: go see if you can sell your gold for the spot price. You can’t. This sounds harsh, but gold is a poor man’s idea of how to become wealthy.

[@ponzo1967]

The 2008 financial crisis turned me off!! Corporations wanted perfect employees while paying them dog shit in return. My wages were cut 25% but I was offered overtime to make up the difference so I found myself working 60 hours a week consistently and it left a bitter taste.

[@robhersey1796]

At 52, I have decided to stop working. I have no kids,no mortgage,no car payments; and live very cheaply. And with the direction government has taken, I have no desire to pay income tax to further fuel their stupidity. I am actually really enjoying it. I can actually do things I like to do.

[@middleagenerd]

where does the money come from?

[@indridcold8433]

I am 51 years of age. I have been investing in metals since 20 years of age and keeping the metals in a remote location, locked up very tightly. My job pays extremely handsomely, even more than what college graduates make. That allowed me a lot more income to buy metals. I believe I have just under 4 million dollars in various metals, under estimating the cost of the various metals. I am so close to never working again. My vehicle has been paid in full for 22 years. My house has been paid in full ten years this year. I have no debt at all. I do not use banks. I have absolutely no credit accounts at all. I pay everything cash. It may be time to bring my vast metal investments to metal brokers and have a lot of cash to live the next ten to 48 years, depending on when I die.

[@robhersey1796]

@@middleagenerd Savings/inheritance

[@genemartinez2833]

Hope you have health insurance.

[@marcduchamp5512]

@@genemartinez2833 Go to Mexico a lot lot lot cheaper there. You are being milked dry in the US medical mafia enterprise

[@gabrieljordan8015]

I've been an electrician for 22 years and having a sense of purpose in life and being respected by members of your community is the most fulfilling feeling ever.

[@jurgschupbach3059]

Go into the Bullshit Job Business sincerly your Stalking Sabotage Psychotronic Harassement Departement Sign in by my FUGG OFF RISPUCT HUH

[@Trendle222]

i think the most fulfilling feeling in life is having a stack of 100's after all your bills are paid !!

[@deathlarsen7502]

What's that got to do w this

[@Claremore-Man]

It was 1000× easier to get an entry level job 22 years ago ya reductive donkey.

[@olympic1l196]

@@deathlarsen7502 he’s saying his entire identity is labor.

[@RonArc]

Have bachelor degree in math. I live in NYC. Got laid off twice… once during covid and again during the tech layoffs. Couldn’t get any office job. Decided to be an electrician. Fuck the corporate world

[@jefesalsero]

When I see men who are well-trained and experienced in their fields, and with track records of success, being laid off across many industries and fields and enduring months of unemployment and stressful job searches, I know there's an agenda at play.

[@handthefs8197]

Its nothing new. Men have always been useful objects that get thrown away for society. Women too. We don't value people just products.

[@JohnDoe-ef3wo]

Oy vey!!

[@MRSketch09]

Well a lot of companies are LEGALLY REQUIRED, to put SHAREHOLDERS above EVERYTHING! Now in the real world, this bullshit, wouldn't fly.. But thanks to Some Government group of friends, this is what were dealing with. And I'd say this is the "Agenda" you mention.

[@aluisious]

It's capitalism. You don't have to look very hard. When Jeff Bezos is worth $160 billion it's not because he works millions of times harder than other people. He's an economic warlord.

[@domcizek]

WELL, TIMES HAVE CHANGED, FIRST COVID AND NOW THE WAR, THIS HAS DISRUPTED THE NORMAL LIFE OF EVERYONE, THE LAST 50 YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD, NOW MOST PAMPERED AMERICANS CANT HANDLE A LITTLE DISTRESS, IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER TOWN OR CITY, FOR A JOB, THEN DO IT, I DID IT 20 TIMES IN MY LIFE TIME, THATS THE WAY IT IS, LIFE IS NOT EASY, AMERICANS HAVE BEEN PAMPERED LONG ENOUGH, THEY NEED TO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND PHONE OR VIDEO GAMES AND GET A JOB,

[@RickRubinesque]

Every working man I know over 40 is in chronic physical pain including myself. My body was pretty much worn out by the time I was 37. If you're being worked liked a beast of burden if you have no kids to support I don't even know what you're hoping to achieve!

[@peterclemmins7099]

There is overwhelming evidence that modern farming practices, GMO foods, and toxins in our food supply have contributed greatly to the decline of physical health of our population.

[@dirankomorov]

​@@peterclemmins7099 absolutely, look at what medieval peasants could do compared to us

[@FaithfulFumoFan23]

Working yourself to the bone so you can "enjoy retirement" in a wheelchair 😊

[@RickRubinesque]

@@dirankomorov Aye. They'd be dead by the age of 50 though. Still, the point stands that soils are knackered and poor and what's used to "strengthen" them does more harm than good.

[@MrApplewine]

@@RickRubinesque There have been plenty living to 95 or 102 years old in poor Indian villages, also plenty of old people in ancient Greece I think. If people are dying at 50 in modern day country there is something very wrong.

[@krystalgardiner5591]

It’s the employers. My father worked for NASA for almost 30 years.. was laid off for some college kid who was willing to do his job for half the pay.. but my Dad had the experience. That’s just one part of the problem. We have employers who have way to many applicants to choose from so they can exploit them as much as they want.

[@33Jenesis]

Like that Rush guy who let an experienced submariner engineer go after he mentioned safety issues. He hired a young crew who may be smart but lack experience. Now Rush is down with his Titan.

[@pokrec]

It means, that NASA has no job in which experience of your father is useful. What your father did is no longer continued, and your father just took too much money for the work, in which his experience was no longer relevant. The option, that your father agrees on wage halving was unlikely, so... The same way some employees just change employer instead of asking the current one for a salary raise.

[@RipMinner]

Guess that's why they can't get back to the moon with a man. Lost all that knowledge.

[@RipMinner]

@@pokrec What difference doe's that make. Most of us been asking for raises we switch jobs because that's the only way to get a raise.

[@adacathy3018]

Supply and demand…it’s a shame that people are just an expense to companies

[@barbarasummers280]

I have a friend who is on Disability, and she says if she were to go back to work, she would have to earn $80K/yr. to replace all the benefits she gets. And she isn't lazy, she volunteers for her downtown assn. Just can't work.

[@joebriggs5781]

I think many men are partially giving up on working because they don't have the incentive of marriage/partnership anymore. Lots of single males have just given up on that with what dating looks like now and without that incentive it feels meaningless to so many. I don't know what can be done about that at this point.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

Marriages are also down

[@spadgm]

They would have to change all the gynocentric family laws and that is not going to happen anytime soon so men are walking away in droves.

[@marcduchamp5512]

The great reset requires less people involved thus the depopulation scheme implemented by the elites of the planet because they are moving to AI and robotics

[@soberanisfam1323]

Capitalism needs to collapse before we can move on from this train wreck

[@yearginclarke]

@@ohjay7612 Exactly...we wouldn't want to actually address some of these issues with women that are infecting our society like a plague, now would we? Not to say that all of us men are angels either, far from it. But the era of traditional woman is dead for damn sure. The sexual promiscuity that is now tolerated in our society is positively disgusting to me.

[@mikedowning4869]

My brother worked all his life and supported his wife through 12 years of studying only for her to kick him out at the end and take him to the cleaners. He was virtually homeless. Why would anyone bother will conditions like that ?

[@-whackd]

​@@johnashley6858He is retarded for not having any hidden assets. And for paying for someone's "education" for 12 years. What did he marry, a preschooler? Nobody needs that much "education" and you should marry a woman who paid for her own education.

[@middleagenerd]

that's an indictment of females and marriage... no one elses fault.

[@mkelly4042]

Mikedowning4869 I'm not saying thats not true as I've heard too many similar stories to think otherwise but I also wonder is it always as one sided as it seems. A lot can happen in 12 yrs in a marriage so its not necessarily as using someone as it seems.. though certainly that's possible as well. Even if not the main reason a woman gets married. It may very well be that she has little to lose by taking a chance. Courts really seem to favor women/mothers. I am a female who is mid 50's but did not marry. I simply really didn't find the right guyvn didn't want to just use someone until he came along or for financial reasons. Certainly not all women do this but far too many do.

[@ThunderStruck94660]

I try to warn my sons, but they won't listen. There is literally no reason to get married as a man!!!!!!!!!

[@lapisdust]

@@mkelly4042 Marriage takes a lot of work, lots of pushing through bad times, and is easier with 2 having similar goals and attitudes. Unfortunately, even though courts favor women, most women who divorce really end up worse than the man, a house doesn't pay for itself. My wife and I had almost 40 years together before she died, and not all those years were perfect bliss, believe me, but life is a mess no matter what.

[@mjolnir_swe]

Im a Mechanical engineer, here is my take. Work today is not very motivational, and it takes too much of my time. Work + time spent getting to and from the office eats up pretty much 5 of the week's 7 days. That leaves 2 days to clean the house, do shopping, do laundry, excercise, pursue hobbies, spend time in nature, visit my elderly parents and spend time with friends. For me, working less is more attractive than salary increase.

[@Gigi19563]

You are still doing a great job! It sounds so full and rewarding

[@charleslefurge8696]

Give me a break. In colonial days you worked 7 days a week to stay alive.

[@williamforsythe5850]

@@charleslefurge8696 You know this for a fact do you? Everything I've read from the time says otherwise. They didn't have hyper competitive culture and overreaching big brother taking an effective 50% of their income. The Boston tea party happened over a 2% tax. We are treated like robots these days and someone else is gaining the majority of the benefit.

[@dallenpowell2745]

This exactly! My hobbies are what motivate me but they require time and energy to monetize for this capitalist world. Time and energy I don't have because I need to keep up on rent, laundry, cooking, etc on top of a 40 hour job that will replace me as soon as they have a reason and it's convenient. Video games and tv binging are ways of winding down after work but they easily become escapist addictions when there's so much to escape from. The sooner life becomes livable again the sooner those unhealthy habits will fall away from society and productivity and passion will return. We have ideas and pursuits to offer but nobody cares enough to listen or assist with them even when they would benefit everyone. We, more than most, have had to push through depression, anxiety, mental illness, and pain alone in a world that doesn't help or even acknowledge our suffering. Picking yourself up by your bootstraps is impossible. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Exploitation on every level harms everyone starting from the bottom. "Moderation in all things" should also pertain to money and power. Humans are suffering and those that can see it can't do anything and those that can do anything can't see it.

[@mjolnir_swe]

@@charleslefurge8696 Thanks for reminding me of the sketch Four Yorkshiremen :)

[@HelenOfOz]

So many of that number are actually unable to work - actually disabled and would be unable to work or even do housework no matter what. Many in pain. Disability in the US famously often takes many years to get.

[@MarcioSilva-vf5wk]

What motivate men to work is to provide for their loved ones, if they dont have, they dont care to it and gonna live with the bare minimum for survival

[@33Jenesis]

I do think this is the norm. Many people would take any work to provide for kids, married or single parent. The indignity seems a bit east to swallow when the sun is to care for loved ones.

[@GlynDwr-d4h]

It's really that simple.

[@jgdooley2003]

Johnny Paycheck, the comedy country singer said that 40 years ago in his song "Take this job and shove it"......

[@rdallas81]

Or they will work 2 jobs. Mans gotta do what a man's gotta be doing.

[@realsatoshihashimoto]

This. If the job doesn't even pay enough to allow you to support your loved ones, then what's the point? It's not that men don't want to work. It's that they don't want to work and still not be able to support their families. A man's wage is not enough these days. 2 wages are required just to get by.

[@alexdentremont000]

One of the main driving factors that lead me to leave my last job was increasing frequency of mandatory DEI training, and massive disconnect between the do-er's and manager's.

[@elmateo77]

Yep, if you're white and your company starts climbing on the DEI bandwagon it's time to move on. It's much easier to find a new job on your own than wait until you're forced out with some false accusation by the woke crazies.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Where did you end up? They're all like that now!

[@MinifigNewsguy]

Seems like you need to look at yourself and see if your lack of tolerance is the actual reason not some company trying to make social progress.

[@Villiers_]

​@@MinifigNewsguy See BudLight 👍

[@alexdentremont000]

Thank you for the advice. However I will remain intolerant of being force fed Ideology of any type.

[@Enjoymentboy]

From my own personal experiences I have found a few reasons for this: I'm tired of being constantly vilified for and being held accountable for other people actions. I see no point in putting in the extra effort just to be told how horrible I am because someone else did something. I see no point in putting in the extra effort to earn more money only to have my government steal more and more of it and hand it over to other people who won't put in the effort. I refuse to work harder to be told I am not worth the additional help (ie government programs) that my money pays for for no other reason than my age or what I look like. I'm also tired of the legal disparities (ie family law) that puts the financial burden on me irrespective of how unbalanced the situation is. Simply put, I'm tired and I refuse to keep wasting my life contributing, via forced altruism, to a society that tells me how unwanted I am. I'd rather just do the bare minimum for my own needs, take care of those VERY FEW people who honestly matter to me (ie my kids) and just live my life for myself for the first time in my life.

[@karlstrauss2330]

This is the way.

[@jakewebb7995]

Besides. I think we all see how much "govt" cares for people. Look at Ukraine. Look at all those young men following the plans. I mean really fucking look at them. No human is a fucking Orc. Its all a game to them.

[@private-private]

Totally agree!

[@CC-xh8zk]

Exactly!

[@AngryToasterOven]

Reminds me of the movie American Beauty.

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

I see this in my apartment building. Several young men not working getting stoned all day living with other people.

[@RADIUMGLASS]

I worked for 15 years at the same company. Started at 19 and left when I was 34. I got tired of being a babysitter. They were surprised that I was leaving offered me a raise but I left and never looked back. They wanted me to stay but they took away my health insurance five years prior. Leave people alone who can do their jobs. Some people can work without supervision and don't take away their benefits.

[@rdallas81]

Right! What kind of company takes the health benefits? Greedy profiteers.

[@wendwllhickey6426]

This guy is full of crap he has got he's own so he can talk crap

[@bwake]

Charles Murray said it very well that what people really need is a place where they are valued by the people around them. A janitor, whose work is valued, is much happier than the highest paid fellow who gets dumped on by everyone around him.

[@brushstroke3733]

💯👍

[@edbohemier9785]

Only some people ( men) does that work for

[@scottbrandon6244]

I like Charles Murray. He has very good insight into human behavior.

[@bwake]

@@edbohemier9785 I don’t think women like to be dumped on either.

[@cigh7445]

​@@bwake I dunno man... Two girls one cup...

[@cherylhughes2988]

My late husband didn't work for the last 5 years of his life. He obviously didn't want to work, complained A LOT about the opportunities denied him, but really never looked for work. He drank and watched TV.

[@dandyer8351]

Cant blame him you get to a point where you just feel its pointless in trying. Mayaswell just chill and try and enjoy what little time u have.

[@lonny3344]

PTSD from the crappy low pay work environment is what drove me out of my 23 year licensed commercial electrician career. I would rather die broke under a bridge than return to that.

[@_Junkers]

What part of the world do you live in?

[@burtonkephart6239]

Low pay as master electrician ? Well I’ve been commercial driving and it’s shoddy too and driving local is not much pay and has dangers. Peace

[@lonny3344]

@@_Junkers United States, Florida.

[@shawn576]

I'm hearing that in Canada too. Men would put up with those bullshit high stress (but well paying) jobs because they had families to support. Modern men do not have families, so we're free to disengage from bullshit. If you yell at a zoomer for some nonsense reason, he just stops showing up. No calls, no text, nothing. He's gone without a word. Older people are thrown off by this because they expect young people to tolerate abuse.

[@MRSketch09]

@@shawn576 Yeah that's exactly it!

[@Dylan-ko2gj]

Here's my anecdote as a 26 year old guy who is not a NEET, but feels checked out of society: When I growing up there was definitely this feeling that I shouldn't act on my feelings, even though I didn't want to hurt anyone it was like I had to walk on eggshells, especially when dealing with women. Over time this gave me the impression subconsciously that women don't want men, or at least they only want the most attractive and "successful" ones. This gets worse as time passes because I became less socially adept (I don't think I'm super weird or anything, but I don't know how to really connect with people and I'm scared to initiate.) When I got to college I didn't do as well because I felt socially outcasted (this is definitely partly self inflicted, I'm not blameless in any of this), and it was expensive so I dropped out to help my parents in a struggling small business doing the dirty work, thinking I'd go back to school after a few years with some life experience and a better idea of what to pursue. That time never came. I still do rough manual labor for an average salary, but I have nobody to share my life with and I'm very nihilistic and depressed. I could turn my life around but I do feel I need that motivation or I'll fall back into where I am now. All this to say I think if we encourage boys more when they're younger in school and show them how to behave appropriately without shaming or being aggressive towards them, they'll have more self-esteem and confidence and more likely to be productive members of society

[@JohnRWF]

"I think if we encourage boys more when they're younger in school and show them how to behave appropriately without shaming or being aggressive towards them, they'll have more self-esteem and confidence and more likely to be productive members of society" -- you hit the nail on the head. The war on boys and men starts very early these days. Those are the most formative years, and I'm afraid our boys are being taught -- then and there -- that they are less than. Go to the mall -- you will see clothes for young girls that ... beyond just empowering statements, go on to say things like 'no boys' or 'girls rule boys drool' or 'he's just Ken' or whatever. I will say this -- in the comments to these posts, you will hear from women who are supportive. Almost always, they are mothers of sons, who grew up with the anti-male dogma, but now are seeing the result of such teachings on their little boys, who they love dearly and want to see succeed, but who come home every day from school further beaten down, demonized, villified, ridiculed, and repressed. If any group has the power and ability to make a chance, it will be the moms of boys. Unfortunately, nobody wants to hear anything from men about men's problems, as damaging to society as they are clearly proving to be

[@rayakoth]

men needs purpose to keep going. Not wanting to face consequences is different from going after a goal. Find your why, go for it.

[@rayakoth]

Further more, success is like making money and losing weight. You spend less than you make to make money. You eat less than the calories you burn to lose weight. The hard part is stopping the current momentum towards decay. It will take time, but the goal is slowing down and find a time and way to turn the tables. The system is pyramid shaped, and it is not designed for everyone to be successful. Understand the nature of life, and treat it accordingly. A good backup plan to ask yourself is this: If I can't achieve material success, what are the things I enjoy and want to do before it all ends.

[@RogerS1978]

We all fall, that's not failure, you pick yourself up and try again. I've failed a degree, been director level in a multinational, slept on a friend’s sofa or another time in a B&B as I was homeless, lived and worked in several countries including the US, doctors wanted me to medically retire and learned to use the pain. I've eventually succeeded that's been through working hard, learning to think, standing up for my values, self-discipline and doing what I think’s right. You can’t eat an elephant all at one, you have to cut it up into smaller portions, try it in stages. Pick something and start doing it, like always dressing well, even if your not leaving the house (your doing it for you), next month reading for a couple hours a week (either non-fiction or intelligent fiction like Terry Pratchett), next month go for a walk every day even if it’s a few laps of the city park. The important thing I learned though was to love myself as I am, warts and all and not relying on others to do it, and it was hard to do. At 43 looking back, I've been on my own most of my life and had massive ups and downs, but I've lived and that's the important thing, it's the only life you get. None of us are perfect, no one is normal and anyone that tells you that is lying but you can aim for improving yourself every day learning something new or meet new people. People are people, if you say hi most are ok, some are ass holes, some are having a bad day or some might just not like you, it reflects more on them and that's their loss not yours.

[@jackdeniston59]

Actually, I think all that is needed is to stop actively DEmoralising boys and men. Just let us be, and we will solve. Start by having 10% of politicians say ´women do not get paid less than men for the same work´ Just stop that lie.

[@sampletcher9700]

We're done burning ourselves out for false promises.

[@Zucr_]

Us you can't pay the bills at the end of the day you might as well not get paid at all.

[@jeremiahdonaldson1678]

No one under 35 has worked enough to be 'burnt out'. I'm 47 and have been working since 15, not counting working on the farm and being used as free construction labor from the time I could walk.

[@SeanWilliams-gq1rn]

​@@jeremiahdonaldson1678that's a very common saying from every older gentleman Ive met in the trades. I've been in the trades for over a decade now. 50-70 hour weeks. So I don't want to hear shit about bootstraps. My generation has it worse for one simple reason. The food is exceptionally bad for you now, the air is now unclean and the water is poisoned. Food market, car market, housing market is far too expensive for any of us to be able to do anything about it. There is no company loyalty any more. The wages do not remotely keep up with the cost of goods and services. The burn out doesn't come from working hard. Burn out in any generation doesn't come from working hard. Burn out is a mindset. That mindset is fueled by the fact that no matter how hard I work, no matter how many hours I work right now. The chances of me owning a home and becoming debt free is almost 0 right now. The goal of working to be able to provide for yourself and family. Millennials and Gen zers got handed a very shitty stick. Of course it'll get better. But right now people are losing hope. Just because you deem your life as hard doesn't mean anyone else isn't suffering

[@greybone777]

The question is how are you living.

[@greybone777]

​yes my stepson maxed out at two six hour days a week.

[@Lemrabish]

Chris, I think the large factor that drives all of these questions you touch upon is a "waking up". A waking up of the issues that different groups have in society that is driven mostly by the information economy. People can speak to other people within their group around the world and learn from others, form bonds over these issues. Whether its working class white males, married women. From this people are waking up. Compounding this issue of free information isn't just the ability to speak to and learn from others in the same situation as you, but also to see those not in the same situation as you doing better. And it breeds anger. Whether it's not having kids, being better looking, being richer etc. People are just tapping out all over the planet. I would love for you to interview an anthropologist on the effect of the interenet coupled with a pyschologist on how this access to information affects everyone's psyches. This episode would be GREAT!

[@Navinor]

It is interesting to see this is happening everywhere in the world. I am from germany and the situation is the same here. I have reduced my working hours, because i am working in a hospital and the hospital wants us to do the same work hours like during covid but for lower pay.