How Are 7 Million Unemployed Men Actually Surviving? - Nicholas Eberstadt

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@whynonbelieversareidiots8543]

type this in on youtube chris ROCKET HITS FIRMAMENT watch the video ( there is not reason for us to work in this satanic society when GOD Christ is above the dome, this place is temporary and I have no will to give my energy to satanic men who only want to see us as tools and cattle I would rather be free and not have a lot of money then to be a slave and think im free )

[@johnran6015]

Ever considered some sort of panel interview with say, men that aren't working, men that aren't in relationships, just gather a group of some different backgrounds and ages?

[@beneficent2557]

As someone actually in this demographic, none of these "experts" you keep bringing on are able to accurately diagnose the source of this issue. Its genuinely pathetic how they are so blind to something so simple to understand. Spit on a man long enough and he will crawl across broken glass to stab their enemy in the heart.

[@beneficent2557]

(1) The Education system is designed to waste our time and financial resources, and is a social mobility retardant. (2) Gender Equity Policies inevitably leads to women aging out of their fertility window & pricing themselves out of the dating market. (3) What is the point of killing yourself in a poorly compensated & unfulfilling 9-to-5 job for promiscuous women who have damaged their ability to pair bond? Not one of your guests has adequately addressed the ramifications of No Fault Divorce. Men build to secure their legacy. We currently have a net negative when it comes to reproductive rights and parental rights overall.

[@beneficent2557]

Have you actually considered talking to people actually representative of this demographic?

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

For the last year since I got out of college with my engineering degree, I've put out hundreds of applications for entry-level engineering jobs, in companies that are actively looking to hire lots of entry-level applicants, and no one wanted me, leaving me stuck in a wood shop building crates, where I developed a reputation as one of the few guys who reliably showed up on time and sober. Then the wife of the man who owns the company came by on one of her daily walks around the company, struck up a conversation, found out that I had an engineering degree, and put in a word with the lead engineer; now I have my first engineering job offer. Apparently, you don't get jobs by putting in applications. You get jobs through networking.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

You just gotta know the right people

[@tired3726]

Yeah everything is about who you know that's why if you don't know anyone you are screwed

[@michaelbee2165]

That's exactly right. I don't care what the field is. You develop relationships and get to know people. You need any reference you can and you are always developing relationships as your career develops. It's not right or wrong, it just is.

[@AlexM-vt5pu]

Yes, networking is everything.

[@larrybulthouse455]

Its not who ya know its who ya blow

[@spadgm]

I think the internet has given rise to a consciousness that Men are realising why work yourself into the ground for a society that treats you as disposable.

[@mateaukalua4426]

Yep finally we got the memo. I am already on the cusp of 30.

[@smerdopsis6092]

hit the nail on the head, my value to others is really the value of my income and the amount of respect people give you is tied so tightly to how popular you are.

[@andradeb2695]

Living off the grid has been more popular than ever before

[@mr.marvelousmess6986]

You would think so but no. Men take great satisfaction building things. And want to be compensated for their labor. Then take that capital to spend anyway they want. You are talking nonsense to make yourself feel better for being unproductive. But if you got off your ass and started building houses or wrenching cars you would feel pride.

[@soberanisfam1323]

Capootalism

[@WvvwvvwwVvwwvwv]

My last job was with Pan Am Airlines until they went Bankrupt. I opted out. Now I own rural land, grow my own food, raise my own food, have water spring well, use wind and solar power, etc. Life is good.

[@igregurec]

You've becoming a threat to democracy ;)

[@Z0mb13ta11ahase]

How much did you need to invest into that? I’m saving up to do the same. How do you spend your free time? Do you have a gig you do to supplement the occasional luxury?

[@growden100]

@@Z0mb13ta11ahasego and look up land banks in your state

[@Clintsessentials]

In my grandfather's day and age, men and families had community. Also, when men went to work, there was absolute loyalty on both sides (employee & employer).

[@DoctorTheopolis]

So that's why we didn't need unions. Everyone just got along.

[@ExecuteBrandon]

lol… that’s because your grandfather actually worked, not surfed Facebook the entire day.

[@PaulBisso]

That's because your grandfather had a job with small business. Not a large corporation I'll wager.

[@Clintsessentials]

@@PaulBisso Nope! The County Water Authority...

[@lawr5764]

Employer loyalty in the past is a myth.

[@Sentinel82]

Nothing I love more than an entry-level job demanding 4 years experience and a bachelors degree.

[@uhnetwork7506]

Fr like wth is with that I’m fresh out and can’t even get a chance to grow or gain experience f this

[@Sentinel82]

@@Graham_Patch Luckily I'm good. I just remember the pain of job hunting 10 years ago during the Obama era right after I got out of the Air Force. I really feel for the younger people these days because it is that much harder now.

[@Chelseaaa626]

I love this 💕 I will say me and some people I know have gotten lucky applying to those jobs anyways because they can’t get any “new” people woth that much experience

[@Exalted_Example]

Supply + demand who could have seen the repercussions of telling 3.5 generations of children that they must go to college if they want a good job and that blue collar work is for losers?

[@AgentSqueaky]

And the pay is minimum wage

[@hybridPeople358]

I quit a job without two weeks' notice in 2019 after my millionaire boss said " You should be happy you have a job". He was paying me $14hr. My father got really sick. I had to take him to a doctor's appointment. My boss told me to hire a nurse. This dude was living in an alternative universe. I quit the next day.

[@testymann5045]

I salute you for that. When I delivered newspapers literally in the dead of winter there was one super rich guy who never tipped me anything but Insisted give him 10 cents back so he "could buy a cup of coffee." As I recall I quit that paperoute without notice too. I just couldn't get motivated to be someone's slave.

[@lonewolfnergiganos4000]

​@@testymann5045oh no, I think he was belittling you. What a jerk.

[@JB-qt3wo]

Pretty commonplace! I’ve experienced similar things. Leverage is scare!

[@paulcolburn3855]

Good. The only thing that would have been better is not even showing up to work and refusing to answer the phone if he called to complain.

[@BossItUp911]

why are you only commanding $14 an hour in the labor market? A high school kid can go to Bucee's gas station with no experience and get $18 an hour to start. you haven't raised your value beyond a non-skilled worker? Shame on you bro

[@sampletcher9700]

We're done burning ourselves out for false promises.

[@Zucr_]

Us you can't pay the bills at the end of the day you might as well not get paid at all.

[@jeremiahdonaldson1678]

No one under 35 has worked enough to be 'burnt out'. I'm 47 and have been working since 15, not counting working on the farm and being used as free construction labor from the time I could walk.

[@SeanWilliams-gq1rn]

​@@jeremiahdonaldson1678that's a very common saying from every older gentleman Ive met in the trades. I've been in the trades for over a decade now. 50-70 hour weeks. So I don't want to hear shit about bootstraps. My generation has it worse for one simple reason. The food is exceptionally bad for you now, the air is now unclean and the water is poisoned. Food market, car market, housing market is far too expensive for any of us to be able to do anything about it. There is no company loyalty any more. The wages do not remotely keep up with the cost of goods and services. The burn out doesn't come from working hard. Burn out in any generation doesn't come from working hard. Burn out is a mindset. That mindset is fueled by the fact that no matter how hard I work, no matter how many hours I work right now. The chances of me owning a home and becoming debt free is almost 0 right now. The goal of working to be able to provide for yourself and family. Millennials and Gen zers got handed a very shitty stick. Of course it'll get better. But right now people are losing hope. Just because you deem your life as hard doesn't mean anyone else isn't suffering

[@greybone777]

The question is how are you living.

[@greybone777]

​yes my stepson maxed out at two six hour days a week.

[@greenmarin3]

Worked hard for a company for 11 years. Company has a crisis in upper management many loyal staff left due to said crisis. I was putting out fires left and right and managed to retain/bring back some of the loyal staff. Heart attack at 34 years old due to the unpaid overtime and stress. Took time off to heal. Company let me go. Didn’t even get a bonus or any credit for covering the asses of my superiors and my department was the only one that really survived the crisis unscathed. Feel like a chump now. Nearly died for what? It’s not worth it.

[@JohnDoe69986]

These stories teach us not to work so hard and stress ourselves out for these companies that don't give a damn. So your sacrifice there was not for nothing, not only did you learn a valuable lesson, but by sharing you taught that lesson to others.

[@burnerjack01]

When “Loyalty” became a euphemism for paying less than the job is worth, they destroyed the honor of what the status of “working man” brought. “Show me the money or shut the fuck up.” became the new mantra. When you need to give notice but they don’t, that should have been your first clue.

[@sam12587]

Sad to say I saw similar running up to the dot com bubble in the late 90’s. It instilled in me that 98% of the time we are all just numbers and don’t matter. I work to help customers and just make sure to stay out of cross hairs of management. I don’t bank on career growth or a dream. I just try to sustain until I can retire early. I hope you had a full recovery from the heart attack & that whatever you choose to do is awesomely successful.

[@kimberleywarren8679]

A heart attack at 34? That is so young. I have been hearing about so many young people having heart problems. May you have a full recovery.

[@PaulBisso]

@@burnerjack01 SO true a company can fire anyone without notice and zero compensation accept Executive staff which have golden parachutes. A CEO cannot be fired for doing a bad job. Only forced to resign can collect and not have their careers runed. EVEN though those people should never be the boss of anything.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

It's quite simple: When you're constantly losing at every turn. The only winning move is to not play.

[@Wayoutthere]

That's part of the issue yes, everyday life and the future have become so chaotic and messed up these last years that many just tune out. This won't end well.

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

@@Wayoutthere What chaos? It's a combination of agendas, including constitutional emasculation.

[@kari8187]

Eek that’s a pretty bleak outlook. Get out of your city, change your environment and it will change you too. Good luck in your venture

[@clermeil]

If one is constantly losing at every turn even while others win, then the problem is oneself.

[@sassycaterpillar6631]

@@clermeil I'll let the people in North Korea know that. They must have forgot

[@eljefe4473]

The elites can’t stand the peasants not reaching for the dangling carrot anymore.

[@BaddeJimme]

I think if that was really true they would do something about all those job advertisements that clearly aren't real.

[@hanss.5291]

That's why so many states are doing away with child labor laws.

[@Davids-cc9sn]

They ain't even dangling a carrot anymore, they just dangle a string that looks like a noose.

[@eljefe4473]

@@Davids-cc9sn you’re not wrong

[@marcduchamp5512]

They want AI to replace human workers. It’s all too clear

[@sayuas4293]

I can tell you why, its not that complicated. Those men don't really have anything to work for. It used to be that with a simple job you could support a family and live a happy fulfilled life. Now not anymore. And many places are just hostile to men and treat men as inherently toxic. Does any of that sound appealing to you?

[@jaredmotopnw]

Thank you! My last few marketing jobs, I was completely talked down to, mostly by female bosses, and completely talentless and clueless others. The only thing? They were better than me on how to keep their job, not doing it.

[@sayuas4293]

@@jaredmotopnw I'm sorry about your experiences. I hope you'll find a way out of the ratrace, like I did.

[@PaulBisso]

PAy enough for bare bones survival is not a good dream. BUT it is the American dream being sold.

[@manuelpalmeira7278]

You're so right. In various workplaces and even at home I'm ignored in favour of women.

[@functionmaster1503]

"The only qualification is showing up not stoned". look at any job board to shatter this idea.

[@chadhumphries3970]

Working a job where the most productive guy gets paid the same as the least productive that creates more work for me is a great feeling. Very fulfilling

[@song-signs]

Don’t be productive

[@Psmitty97]

@@song-signs Some of us have a very strong work-ethic built into us from our upbringing. It takes "more work" for us to not be productive. I see the non-productive types at my work. It's amazing how they are able to bullshit for 5 hours of their 8 hour day, doing maybe 3 hours of real work, and the other 5 hours pretending to work, walking to the breakroom, bathroom, checking their phones, making small talk with the other employees, basically doing anything and everything but their actual job. For me, my day goes by much faster if I'm pedal to the medal working. If I try to deliberately be unproductive, an 8 hour day will seem like a 20 hour day. Some of us don't even have a choice

[@blahblah2779]

@@Psmitty97 have you ever considered that maybe you were taught the wrong things? That maybe that other lazy guy was taught the right thing? It’s quite simple actually. If someone strategy nets success and another person’s strategy nets failure, who is doing things right?

[@matane2465]

It's even more fulfilling when the least productive guy who creates more work for you is your boss because he's an idiot. So you end up doing the work of 3 or 4 people, but he only pays you minimum wage.

[@gerogep3666]

Start your own business.

[@ponzo1967]

This entire conversation just enrages me. Im 55 and have worked through 40 years of stagnant wages and the financial collapse. Its a sick game and people are over it. Why so many? Its a winner take all and very few opportunities to be winners.

[@elonever.2.071]

Im with you. I am retired now and get offers all the time to work. Why the hell would I want to work...Im retired.

[@marcduchamp5512]

Only criminals make it thru this system rich

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@@marcduchamp5512 bullshit. Only those who don't have a liberal arts degree.

[@richardramfire3971]

The days of easy manufacturing low skilled high paying jobs is over. You need to be skilled to make good money now

[@ponzo1967]

@@richardramfire3971 I spliced, terminated , and tested fiber optic lines. Set up new splices, performed and live cuts after midnight, had a CDL and the whole nine for $15.50 an hour that's junk wages. Five years of that. Located utilities for USMC in high commercial areas for $12 an hour. Wired two houses a week with one other person for $10 an hour. Worked maintenance for the world's largest tanning bed manufacturer, about 300 beds a day, setting up new production lines and all kinds of stuff $10 an hour. Worked in commercial building construction for 10 years and never made more than $15 an hour. My highest wage was $16.80 doing maintenance for Travel Centers of America. Looking back it's pathetic and outrageous. Now I do odd jobs around town and charge what the market will bare. I'll never work for another employer.

[@CrackBabyZaches]

I am sick of bs, guys. I am an engineer. Got laid off for successfully completing a big project for the company that contracted me. Got a call from the agency on my way home, instructing to not come back. And I am never going back. This wasn't the first time this type of thing happened to me. Even worse, I've seen incompetent people rising thru the ranks like hot air balloon. The people who bugged me with questions and scenarios all day, one married woman who loved coming over to make inappropriate jokes and act thirsty. I am dreading the idea of having to look for a job again, answering the same stupid questions I've pretty much written a book on, carrying people on my back so they can make multiple six figure salary while I am left in the limbo. More men need to just say "fk it" and move out. The system hates us. Even if you are good looking dude that HR ladies can thirst over - you are nothing more than a number.

[@linmal2242]

Go get a nice plot of bare land in New Mex/Ariz and put your body to work building an adobe house/ranch. Build your own castle with your bare hands and brain ! Check out owner/builders there !

[@waynebollman]

The kind of stable, prosperous, happily married, home owning, fulfilling lives we've been told we could have with a certain amount of effort, fortitude, playing by the rules and going along with various social norms is no longer being offered in return for those things - and it hasn't been for at least a couple of decades or more. I'm 59 and I saw this celebrated 1950s model of the American Dream falling apart when I was just a child in the 70s. Hence I more or less opted out of pretty much every "normy" way of doing things: Didn't bother finishing college, never bought a house, never got married, never kept a regular 9-5 job for more than a year, mostly just worked part time for myself - just enough to pay rent, utils and food and save a little bit. Decades later I feel the general male population is starting to see things the way I always have.... and I guess now I don't feel quite as lonely but it all seems too little too late for changing things for the better - with all the negative fall out from this phenomenon. There were changes we needed to make decades ago to our values, institutions, and social structures that might have spared us from the very painful calamity that lies ahead.

[@peterclemmins7099]

Speaking of declining benefits, I worked a job 20 years ago, entry level mechanic profession that required trade school and a license. Soon after starting, the coffee creamer was removed from the break room to "save money." A year later, the coffee disappeared too. Even the simplest of pleasure is not worth a couple bucks to employers. And this was 20 years ago!! It is worse now.

[@mikearchibald744]

I'm in canada and worked at a pot factory. They talked about how important the workers were, we asked for a raise. Nope. They brought in fruit instead in the morning, which people ate so fast that they stopped doing that as well.

[@nerthus4685]

It depends what industry you are in. I have worked in the private medical field for a smaller company. The company was genuinely struggling to get by so cut corners. But if you work for a tech company..... the sky is the limit. Free buffet bars and expresso next to the indoor tennis court and mini roller coaster. But even they are tightening their belts now.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@nerthus4685 Yeah thats not really true about tech. Thats mostly hype. EVERYBODY I know in tech works contracts or else is trying to get something going on the side they hate their job so much.

[@AlexM-vt5pu]

@@nerthus4685 I've worked in tech since 2010 and have never had a job like that. Most tech jobs aren't the Silicon valley/Google stereotype.

[@MJ98774]

Works both ways....Google and Facebook have cafeterias, game rooms, gyms, are pet friendly....all that sh[t to keep you there so you feel like you dont need to go home. Their wage slaves get there when its dark and leave when its dark....and everybody is a "rockstar" and they are a "family". Its like a cult. No thanks.....companies dont give you anything but a job, and any "perk" IMO should be viewed with suspicion.

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Men: Stop treating us like shit, and pay us what we're actually earning. Everyone: No. Men: Fine, fuck it, we're out.

[@danmcqueen5295]

Well said.

[@kenkneram4819]

Amen brother!!!

[@schneisgmail]

Yes - this!!!

[@borg-borg-2015]

Everyone: no no, come back, why you no work!?

[@bobshanery5152]

Problem is your are arguing over the wrong things. Its not the job stealing your money you agreed with.. Its Government Taxes and inflation Would you not love to see a 30% plus increase in your pay? Who gets a 30% pay raise? The fight is not to make a place like McDonalds pay you 30hour. The fight is from the people who take 30% out of your W2, another 10% for everything you buy and more from inflation/state/fees. That is the real battle Imagine actually getting back at least 40% of your pay every week? Imagine gas prices still being a dollar something.. Imagine eggs going back to being in the cents. Focus on the real issues

[@knobfieldfox]

What’s hiding in plain sight here - but not being mentioned - is the true rate of economic inactivity. Official statistics bear this out in the USA, with a staggering 99.63 million of American adults not working in early 2024. Granted, 50 million of those will be retirees, but that still leaves another 50 million adults of working age who are not working. This is over 7 times the figure of 7 million men choosing not to work being cited here. Interestingly, that number is suspiciously close to the official number of job vacancies standing at around 8.79 million. To summarise, there are 7 adults for every job vacancy in the US, and only 1 of those will be a male choosing not to work.

[@james-ob9rz]

When you dont need a women your Living expenses are 90% less

[@b3sTus3r]

I'm not a NEET but I perfectly understand why young men don't want to work anymore. More and more often I hear a version of this from people: "When I was young I was told if I work hard, I will be able to have a nice house, a loving family, a car. Well, now I'm an adult, I work hard, very hard in fact, and the best I can only afford to rent a room in an apartment with two other people. I can barely afford a 15 year-old car and I cannot even bring a girl over"

[@wet-read]

Few people "want" to work. Let's be real, here: people work primarily to secure their own immediate personal ends or those of their families. Everything else is mostly incidental. Of course there are some people who actually enjoy what they do. Such people are usually said to have "careers" as opposed to mere "jobs". Ok, Captain Obvious rant over 😊

[@Guitar6ty]

Yup and its a shit show created by incompetent government.

[@ricktaylor7648]

Thank the influx of illegals (aliens)

[@mrsleep0000]

If you can't afford any of those things, I highly doubt you 'work hard'.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@mrsleep0000 There are tons of people 'working hard' who are basically just subsiding housing and Walmart and the auto sector. I can't remember the figure off hand, but a LOT of americans have very few savings let alone 'wealth'. Thats ALL intentional, thats the 'american way of life'.

[@donaldoutterson3071]

I dropped out after college in the 80's. I bought a small 1/2-acre parcel of land on a dirt road looking over a river by cold calling people off the county tax map. I built a small house with wood from a local sawmill. I fell in love with the pioneering lifestyle and the beauty of the river. I also knew I was running out of money and would lose the house if I did not hit the road. I went back to school and got a trade and kept the house for a few years then sold it to an old friend. I have just retired, and my old house and friend are still doing fine 30 years later. So, the first time I tried to retire I failed, but the second time I succeeded! The dream can still be true even if the world is untrue now. The pioneering spirit is a worthy endeavor my brothers. Don not give up hope for another man's dream.

[@JPershing1988]

So I'm developing this idea that we are living in an abusive society where women are physically abused and gaslit and men are neglected and/or forgotten. This really seeks to further confirm this idea.

[@saintsword23]

I'm a six-figure earning engineer that writes software for space vehicles, and yet I think about quitting my job almost every day. Since I've made it into the upper-middle class and am doing well, yet I'm still miserable about the whole thing, I know that salary, benefits, and like really aren't the issue. The issue is that there's nothing worthwhile to live for. Men can endure poverty, long hours, and all the difficulties of life...if it's for a worthy cause. All the things that gave men purpose in life have been either commercialized or completely decimated in the last few decades: having a family, participating in a religion, wanting to improve or defend your society, etc. Family life has become atrocious for men, religion has been gutted and made more about politics and tribalism than reaching for something transcendent of us, and no one wants to improve this society because it's clearly a failing mess of radical ideology. There's nothing to emotionally invest in anymore. Jobs just make the boss richer; they don't increase mating opportunities anymore, they don't contribute to anything greater or transcendent of us, and woke bullshit is shoved down our throats the whole time. There's no solid place to put one's energy. Thus, men are checking out to play video games and watch pr0n.

[@mmmbbop9351]

Brilliantly said sir. Well done. I'm a trucker myself so I'm not on an amazing wage, but I do I vest nearly 30% of my income every week and have done for the last few months. I do it for my son. I had him late in life but he is my world. I thought I was oh so clever and wise but since having my son I realise what's truly important.

[@jonmarchilgers384]

Amen Brother. You took the words out of my mouth and put them to paper. I too am an Engineer. After my Wife called it quits, it left me living with my family. Oh, I have money from liquidated assets after the divorce (Homes), but so what. Boss gets richer of which is okay as I’m not a socialist, wife moves on with a banner of feminism and my So Cal family is card carrying wolk folk. At 59 and a Veteran, I can’t wait to live in another country retired at 62. The way I’ve been treated (White, middle class, non-degreed professional who has never bounced a check or struck anyone) it’s as if todays culture can’t wait for me to leave! I’ll take my retirement income elsewhere. Thanks

[@saintsword23]

@@jonmarchilgers384 Ya, I hear you brother. I've only been doing engineering for a few years and I'm already pretty done. I don't see the point of putting in these long hours. The pay is nice, but now that I have a nice nest egg and minimal expenses I'm already quite comfortable. It's amazing how little a single guy with no interest in the dating market really needs. I'm probably going to join a monastery when my current lease is up. I see complete dedication to my spiritual practice as the only worthwhile path available. I don't have a particular religion exactly, but I learned meditation from a Buddhist tradition a while back and will continue that. I don't know what religion you hail from or believe in, but every one of them I know of has some sort of contemplative tradition. I was an agnostic atheist before I learned meditation and Buddhist meditation practices are very compatible with that worldview (they just instruct you to watch your breathing). But I know Christians have multiple contemplative traditions, as do Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. You might give this a consideration. Most religion has become tribal and intolerable to me, but there's spiritual practice out there that still seems quite meaningful.

[@ErnaSolbergXXX]

I quit my 300k software dev job, because the money becomes worthless. It does not give anything more. We can't save it due to inflation, we can't put it in the stock marked because if we win, all profit goes to taxes, and if we loose, we have to take the whole cost. Doing realestate is so heavy taxed and people renting belive they are checking in on a luxury hotel with 24/7 service and "the landlords are just gready capitalists that exploid them" without understanding most of what they pays goes to taxes and maintainance. All i want in the end is just freedom. "I leave you alone and you leave me alone" but once we are not left alone, then what's point?

[@lmeza1983]

I live in Mexico and I think there are many factors but the most critical is how expensive things are now and what society expects from men. Society wants us not to complaing about anything and accept that if you are poor and miserable is because you want it that way. Women still want the old male responsabilities to be upheld by men but all the priviledges of modern feminism for them, society tells us that if you are young you are dumb and need to climb the salary ladder which will take a decade at least. In the current economical conditions from your 20s to your 30s you will be broke barely paying the rent and bills and dating women is very expensive specially when they have Tinder to choose from 100+ different dudes, I mean they can party each week free of charge as long a different man pays. In addition they won't accept a man that makes less than them and any women can make more than a man just by opening an OF account. Women in the past were told to marry, have kids and choose a man that loved her and was willing to take care of her, the money was going to be there eventually if the man worked hard for it and she was going to take care of things at home for him. Now they get the idea that they deserve the top tier men with the looks and the money, that creates lonely poor young men that even trying their best are still miserable also with the inflation out of the charts affording a home is becoming impossible so you stay with your parents the longer taht is possible or share a cheap apartment with other dudes. Also jobs in Mexico are killing our souls, you just are a tool that has to live to produce and be efficient 6 out of 7 days a week. Can you really blame men if they prefer whatever hobby they like ther most, drugs, whores, video games and doing just the bare minimun to survive rather than a life of hard work and a demmanding wife that can leave you at anytime and take half of the things that took you 20 years to build??? Men are losing hope in finding a decent young women, this exactly the root problem for young men: affording a home, having a wife and rising kids is a luxury now when it used to be the nucleus of a functional society...

[@hectorguitar89]

I’m a software engineer. I pursued this career because I was always told that I need to go to college. I didn’t know what I wanted to study, so I decided to make my studies an investment with a good financial ROI. Ten years later, I’m absolutely miserable. I’m financially stable, but mentally unhealthy. My wife died by suicide a few years ago. Our biggest sources of stress were our shitty, meaningless jobs. I'm barely able to keep a low stress, good paying, work from home job because I'm burnt out and suffer from PTSD. It’s simple…what incentive do young males have to take jobs that disconnect them from nature, themselves, their purpose, their esteem, their sense of self worth, their friends, their families, and their communities and doesn’t even pay enough to buy a house…much less afford to raise a family? Meanwhile we’re addicted to products and content created by younger, healthier, funnier, more charismatic, better looking, and more confident millionaires who condescendingly shame anyone for not thriving in a capitalistic system where 3 billionaires are worth more than half of the population.

[@dervishmichaels9147]

I'm sorry about your wife. Hang in there and keep saving your money. Debt is slavery, focus on getting free.

[@MrTigertank69]

Amen brother, it fucking sucks.

[@redrosin99]

I am sorry for your loss. There are proven and relatively quick ways to treat burn out and PTSD. You can look into research using MDMA or magic mushrooms + counseling, Amsterdam in the Netherlands is a good place for it since the substances are in top quality. Iboga therapy is supposedly even stronger (haven't personally tried that). Regarding meaning, I would do that after integrating the PTSD and from a more relaxed point of view using existential therapy. You can combine all that with Ashtanga style yoga, I would be very surprised if after a few months of daily practice of Ashtanga (very different from other yoga styles) you are still in the same state. I think it is practically impossible but who knows. Find the right teachers and you can grow. You can put meaning in the most mundane and seemingly redundant things in life, however coming from a position of self efficacy and control is important for your well being.

[@googm]

God bless you, that's tough to hear.

[@alelectric2767]

I learned a trade and I’m feeling the same. So don’t think it the specific job. If you don’t have kids and you’re still young I recommend you bail on the job for a couple of years to travel the world. Sorry about your wife.

[@MS-nj9le]

We never wanted to be in it. We still don't want to be in it. My resume never worked, ever, and I'm deathly afraid of interviews, they all fail, no matter how many books at Barnes & Noble I read about it. I'm a homebody, I just don't want to leave home, ever. I don't want to socialize with other people, I don't want to obey other people, I just want to be left alone. After having been through into a social education thunderdome for 13 years as a slave... and then tortured later on a false conviction in a prison and winning an appeal... I don't want nothing more to do with anybody in this country at all. Can you blame me?

[@livingbeings]

Those “just show up not stoned” jobs do not pay enough to survive as a single person, much less provide for a family. These jobs are not economically viable for prospective employees, and yet the employers and college educated analysts keep crying “nobody wants to work” while refusing to see or listen to working people about the actual problem. You are offering poverty, and no one wants poverty. They would rather be homeless and free than spend their precious lives doing undignified work at poverty wages.

[@johncocksmith2693]

I’ve gotta throw in my 2 cents because I’ve had to personally deal with this over the last 3 years. It’s a myth, in my experience, that there are millions and millions of jobs out there at the moment. I left the military in 2019 and have had an impossible time finding a job. The only work I’ve been able to get is driving part time for my father in law. I was an aerospace engineering officer in the air force. I have a BSc in mathematics and am currently doing a MSc in Comp Sci part time. I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs that I’m qualified for, over qualified for, under qualified for. I’ve applied to many veteran friendly companies and used vet resources. Fuck all. I’ve had maybe 10 interviews over the last 3 years and none of them went anywhere. It’s actually crazy. I’ve tried to get help many times from people including HR professionals and everyone says I have a great resume.. but at the end of the day I’m still here driving a truck.

[@beneficent2557]

Its standard operating procedure to have a poorly designed ATS system and an incompetent HR department to filter out any competent resumes. Most of the HR Admins I knew are cultural marxists and can barely read.

[@beneficent2557]

Have you learned about ATS systems by any chance? I had luck with worse credentials than you because I learned how to organically tailor my resumes to specific positions.

[@johnran6015]

"Yo bro, you just like, have to want it man" - every podcast on earth

[@chickenbroski99]

@@beneficent2557 got any articles you reccomend?

[@elmateo77]

Ask a close friend that you trust if there's something wrong with you that might be preventing you from getting hired. Maybe you smell, or dress funny, or drive conversations in strange directions and just give off a weird vibe. I've seen all those prevent people from being hired. I'd also try applying in other regions, maybe there's just not a good market for the type of jobs you're looking for in the area you live. I'm in Dallas and the market for comp sci people here is hot af, I don't know much about mathematics grads but if you have programming skills you shouldn't have any trouble.

[@darriusgivans6570]

I have a bachelors degree, a car paid off, no debt, no kids, and even then I still have to live at home because jobs don’t pay living wages. I have a perfect attendance award for not missing 1 day of high school in 4 years. I have a bachelors degree in biology. I was working at Memorial Herman hospital in Houston. I worked in the lab diagnosing leukemia and blood cancer patients. My pay was 15 an hour even with my degree. They even made me bring my degree in so they could make a copy of it. Plus the job was only part time so I only made 1200 a month. I left and went to another lab full time at a Covid testing center and they only paid 15 an hour. Rent for a 1 bed room in my area on average is 1300 a month and they want 3 times the rent. Not to mention an absolutely toxic work environment. It’s not worth it anymore

[@_Junkers]

I don't know what it is about lab work, but it has always seemed heavily underpaid given the requirements

[@MRSketch09]

@@_Junkers No kidding. Also if you help in any lab studies. You know where you get paid to be sick. The government will tax you on that.. which is f**ked up.

[@nickw670]

I make more than that working an entry level job at an amazon warehouse

[@hp_0189]

Lol 😆 🤣 😂 McDonald's pays 22.50 an hour in my area 🤣 😅 😂 my job a have a degree for pays me 17.50 an hr 😅 🙃 🤣 t h e juice ain't worth the squeeze.

[@texascoqui9789]

Buc-ees pays more than that per hour. Hot bbq on the block!!! But seriously, with all that they charge the patients for bills, you know they are making good money there, difference is, the boss is not willing to share that in the form of pay because he will get that in the form of a bigger bonus of he keeps your pay down.

[@superstar5123]

I don't get anything worthwhile from work, not compensated enough, and I would lose food stamps and have my rent increase, I would be poorer. I would love to be economically independent

[@firstlight5797]

Wow I appreciated reading the comments. I used to have a somewhat negative view on why men don’t seem to want to work. This was a good conversation.

[@user-im6fy4qp6m]

ask me anything im 37 and left my office job 6 years ago.

[@sandingmonkey]

I love how these two men didn't talk about the elephant in the room, "Exploitation". Every job I have ever had, I have been pushed to my limits, to work fast, to work harder, or get laid off. Bosses exploit their workers, pay them low incomes and expect you to love them for it. This isn't a career, it's paid slavery.

[@lapisdust]

One can look at it as old-fashioned slavery was where your masters provided you at least a place to live and food to eat. Now they just hand you a paycheck and tell you to find those things on your own. So, what's the big difference? The beatings are less?

[@theessentials450]

you are just lazy.

[@WillyOrca]

serfdom maybe but slavery implies involuntary loyalty or servitude to a specific master. You're perfectly ALLOWED to not work a job. You're free to try and carve out an existence in whatever way you wish, it's just heavily incentivized to play the game or join the system.

[@I666I]

Ikr. It isn't very motivating to waste almost all of your lifetime for work, while the people you work for make more than double the money than you do. Especially with big companies, where you work for investors/shareholders, that do absolutely nothing except cashing in on dividends from their shares, or hold board meetings from time to time, if their share is big enough lmao. And don't even get me started about all the influencers, streamers and e-girls, that get big money for being lazy too, while you work hard.

[@seneynah]

All work is like that. Try being self employed now that’s a brutal boss , in construction my husband is constantly pushed by general contractors and clients. Push push push…

[@thelantern9075]

Quit my inside sales office job about 5 years ago. Couldn’t stand any of the people I worked with, and the more you did, the more they wanted. The whole environment seemed repressed and everyone seemed hypnotized. I paint houses now by myself, live in a paid for mobile home on an acre of land and paint paintings and record music most of my time now. Never been happier. I’m so done with the matrix.

[@trailertrish2587]

I admire you for doing the sales office job for any length of time. I couldn't do it Excellent that you got out of there and are doing something you find rewarding

[@13infbatt]

I worked 20 years in medicine, I mow lawns now and never been happier .

[@thelantern9075]

@@13infbatt I know the feeling, I’m mowing grass as well! Exercise, fresh air, little hard work, good pay, and a morning schedule... balanced.

[@user-dx1jb4zq9e]

That's awesome

[@Witnessmoo]

Bro step up and be a father… Your destiny as a man isn’t to entertain yourself till the grim reaper comes knocking… wtf is that? You have to father the next generation and raise them right to continue the unbroken chain of survivors that goes on back for billions of years

[@overcastfriday81]

The largest employer in the 50s was gm and wages were awesome...sometimes equal to the cost of a house. Now that house is 1m and the largest employer is walmart.

[@artparty222murphy9]

I love that very straight talk . Show up , on time, not stoned . What a concept!

[@christiand.7404]

People used to live in tribes, and the feeling of contributing for the tribe, being someone that people depend on and being appreciated is wired in our DNA. In today’s environment, whatever job you do, you don’t feel that anyone appreciates it. The problem is us. We do not appreciate when the server brings our food , or when the mailman delivers our mail or the moving company moves all our stuff. Any one of us can die or be replaced, and probably only a few people around you will notice, and that makes this society the way it is. We do not respect and appreciate each other. We see the world through the lenses of money.

[@anuragchakraborty8766]

And also there's too many of us thanks to overpopulation. Which makes us all easily replaceable and therefore undervalued. It's not that hard to figure out, simply supply & demand when it comes to manpower.

[@riyadougla539]

Wise words.

[@justadog-headedman6727]

I have thought of this before. Another point of view is that all aspects of our lives are fragmented and compartmentalized, you work with people that are not from your neighbourhood or that take no part in the remaining of your life, to the point that if you change jobs you likely will never see them again. Compare that with living in a small village, being the local baker, you don`t only make bread for your own profit, you sell it to your neighbour who possibly does some service to you, carpentry or whatever and so on. It creates a web of relationships and not this situation that we are where everything is out of vanity, there is not the web of relationships around you. Edit: Minor grammar corrections.

[@asleepcloud]

You said exactly what I've been thinking and feeling for so long

[@mateaukalua4426]

​@@anuragchakraborty8766 I disagree we live in cities while there are huge amounts of land with few inhabitants.

[@İSTANBULSEFİRİSÜLEYMANÇAKIR]

Myth:"Nobody wants to work anymore!" REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!

[@ettoretavilla3081]

REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!

[@İSTANBULSEFİRİSÜLEYMANÇAKIR]

@@ettoretavilla3081 I ALREADY wrote that lol 🤣

[@WilliamAGould]

People whom complain about men out of work ignore high inflation, pay that someone cannot live on alone, impossible work hours (constantly changing schedule), hostile work environment (including being forced to go to "classes" that say how horrible men are), no chance of promotion, nor reward (promotions and rewards go to those that check off marks for lists of demographics). Any taxes the men pay go to benefit everyone else to allow everyone else to have an advantage over them (men). What we are seeing is the variation of the "grass eater" movement that has been around in Asian for a while. Men see a no win situation in trying to have a career or start a family. So, they go to ground and do the basics to survive. Historically, when men go to ground like this, the collapse of civilization is not far behind.

[@ettoretavilla3081]

@@WilliamAGould Excellent reply there, its designed by those at the top of "Triangle" to be like that

[@WilliamAGould]

@@ettoretavilla3081 They dance around the real reasons without actually commenting on them. Corporations have a built in interest to lobby for family courts to side with women. While men and women make around 50/50 pay. Women pay for 80%-90% of the products corporations sell. That is not even touching the loan industry. Men checking out means no more families, no more loans, no more alimony/child support. Minimalism cuts into tax revenue.

[@Medley3000]

Why should you play a game that is rigged and you can only lose? Nobody can even rent a two-room apartment for a minimum wage job. Not to mention the other daily costs. Let alone feed a family. Giving up is the logical consequence.

[@jaimhaas5170]

As a 60 yr old male living in the USA I have been told so many times "we want a woman for this job" or "you are overqualified for this job". Many of us have been told to go away and not just in the job dept.

[@ronswansonsdog2833]

No one has told you they want a woman for this job, because that’s EEOC violation you could take action against. Come on.

[@jaimhaas5170]

@@ronswansonsdog2833 that just shows me how ignorant of reality you are.

[@jaimhaas5170]

@@andred3299 no money in it. No lawyer would take it.

[@paperandmedals8316]

Yes!!! Being told you’re overqualified. How absolutely stupid is that? To turn away a prospective employee excuses they’re too good?

[@mariaansley1519]

​@@ronswansonsdog2833even if they did want a woman it's because they have mostly men.

[@Hilary945]

I think that people feel defeated by the insane cost of living. Long gone are the days when 40 hours a week would get you a house, long gone are the days when you can find a decent spouse.

[@Claremore-Man]

Women used to find a man with potential. They used to serve as the primary motivator for male success. Now you already have to be financially stable (preferably well off) in order to make eye contact with the ogre woman working at fuckin' 711.

[@MB-xe8bb]

Used to be able to have a family and kids and house on ONE lower middle-class salary.

[@crazychicken7125]

this

[@dntfrthreapr]

I just saw a listing for a crummy one-story house in my town behind a chinese restaurant and a nursing home. Half a million bucks. Yup, Ill never own a house.

[@dragorn3212]

Exactly. Let's see though how these billionaires who own corporations and politicians fair when men men drop out of society completely and they can't continue their corporate operations. And it's their fault

[@gregburns8099]

I'm 45 and have been working since I was 15 years old. 30 years of construction and military service has broken me. I can barely lift my arms over my head. My back, neck, and knees hurt constantly. I only do this due to child support. I have a few more years, and I am done. Out of construction unless I find something that doesn't require the use of my body. I can live on half of my current income. No need to keep working so hard.

[@MattTHX-io4tk]

44 years young here fit healthy reasonable job never worked hard I worked smart ..

[@karljuhnke8882]

Many men are not willing to sacrifice themselves by getting married, having kids, being divorced and being ripped off for 18 years or longer. Men do a risk analysis and decide to not bother.

[@dazryan3463]

The simple fact that men being paid to do physical labour, at a minimal rate, and being shown no consideration for that effort, left battered and broken, is why men do not want to continue being used, ignored and latterly disregarded. In this 'new world' of equality and diversity how is that young men are still being used and abused as a beast of burden yet the media remain silent after decades of broken bodies that are then treated like a parasite on society because they are no longer able to work?

[@jayc342009]

someone i know who has worked and paid taxes his whole life was not given temporary accommodation when left homeless after breaking it off with his ex-girlfriend, he had to live in his car. Men are tossed aside so we can home and pay for single mothers. When we stop catering to men and encouraging masculinity, society collapses.

[@paulbucklebuckle4921]

Here here brother.

[@twogermanys]

@@brianmeen2158 retard-tier reply

[@themore-you-know]

Same. In my early 20s, I was knee-deep in sewage, watching the women whoring around in my circle of friend complain about their little jobs in nice offices and outdoors and salaries superior to mine. "equality", right, my a$s (everyone's, to be literal).

[@matrixInvader]

"used as a beast of burden" is a very apt metaphor for it

[@christopherharmon9336]

I'd say 90% of the "problem" is the employers. Not getting 350 people to apply for one crappy job is now a "crisis."

[@salehali3372]

Absolutely

[@dm-jf5uu]

Yup I applied for a very shitty grocery store job now they won't leave me alone with their calls!

[@thesnare100]

not if they are choosing not to work, living off relatives and welfare instead of even looking for work.

[@slinkus-dq4co]

Yup, greed, 400 times inequality in pay from top to bottom of a corporation. Used to be 40 times maximum from laborer to CEO. Stock market ruined the world once again. Been a few wars over this already. These guys are head in the sand anti regulation types, it has never worked without the government on the little guys side, of course some regulations are insane and make things worse for the little guy as well, has to be well targeted and crafted.

[@DoctorWhoNow01]

Shitty pay, shitty job, and they wonder why people won't

[@robhersey1796]

At 52, I have decided to stop working. I have no kids,no mortgage,no car payments; and live very cheaply. And with the direction government has taken, I have no desire to pay income tax to further fuel their stupidity. I am actually really enjoying it. I can actually do things I like to do.

[@theessentials450]

where does the money come from?

[@indridcold8433]

I am 51 years of age. I have been investing in metals since 20 years of age and keeping the metals in a remote location, locked up very tightly. My job pays extremely handsomely, even more than what college graduates make. That allowed me a lot more income to buy metals. I believe I have just under 4 million dollars in various metals, under estimating the cost of the various metals. I am so close to never working again. My vehicle has been paid in full for 22 years. My house has been paid in full ten years this year. I have no debt at all. I do not use banks. I have absolutely no credit accounts at all. I pay everything cash. It may be time to bring my vast metal investments to metal brokers and have a lot of cash to live the next ten to 48 years, depending on when I die.

[@robhersey1796]

@@theessentials450 Savings/inheritance

[@genemartinez2833]

Hope you have health insurance.

[@marcduchamp5512]

@@genemartinez2833 Go to Mexico a lot lot lot cheaper there. You are being milked dry in the US medical mafia enterprise

[@Chris-fn4df]

Wait… this dude is including disabled veterans in this count?! Red flag.

[@littlebrookreader949]

This is an eye opener. A wake-up call. Thank you for the excellent guest, and for letting him speak, uninterrupted, and in complete thoughts, more than broken sound bites. Listeners can rarely get an answer listening to House and Senate Committee Hearings. It appears that these high level officers know nothing at all.🙄 Your guest lays out a plethora of insightful information. Obviously, a different class of person altogether. 👍👍 Thank you!

[@MarcioSilva-vf5wk]

What motivate men to work is to provide for their loved ones, if they dont have, they dont care to it and gonna live with the bare minimum for survival

[@33Jenesis]

I do think this is the norm. Many people would take any work to provide for kids, married or single parent. The indignity seems a bit east to swallow when the sun is to care for loved ones.

[@user-dx1jb4zq9e]

It's really that simple.

[@jgdooley2003]

Johnny Paycheck, the comedy country singer said that 40 years ago in his song "Take this job and shove it"......

[@rdallas81]

Or they will work 2 jobs. Mans gotta do what a man's gotta be doing.

[@realsatoshihashimoto]

This. If the job doesn't even pay enough to allow you to support your loved ones, then what's the point? It's not that men don't want to work. It's that they don't want to work and still not be able to support their families. A man's wage is not enough these days. 2 wages are required just to get by.

[@new_game2589]

I've worked all my life, and am currently changing jobs for the 1st time in a decade and the application and recruitment process is insane now. Inflated requirements and credentials, multiple phone and in person interviews, long and invasive background checks including my wage, medical and credit history, passing their drug tests (which I understand for some types of work). It's been almost a month! It feels like they try to starve you out so by the time they extend you an offer they can low ball it and you're too desperate to refuse. Not to mention you need to tailor each resume and write each company a little fluff peice with the right buzzwords so you get their attention.

[@JR-bj3uf]

The job application process is broken. No one will talk about it because HR so wants the online job system to work but it doesn't. It is a waist land of unqualified applicants and favors only people with some connection or relationship with the company or employee.

[@JR-bj3uf]

@ch-yq5yn or, they want you to do a special report or project unpaid?

[@BobRooney290]

i've been jumping through jobs every 3 to 5 years. mainly because every single employer i've worked for has been nothing but toxic and abusive. i've set a number of rules for myself, the first one being to always keep looking for a better paying job. rule 2, the longer i stay, the more work they dump on me and refuse to compensate for it. this has happened every single time. rule 3, constantly update resume and develop a network of contacts for references that are guaranteed to provide positive feedback to the morons in HR. rule 4, always tell myself never to be loyal to any company. the cup of coffee worth in raises is not worth it always find a new job that pays $10k to 20k more than the previous job. because the 3% raise really helps so much when food costs are up 300% and rent goes up 15%. remember, these corporations raised prices on their products, so they are making huge profits, yet they are keeping salaries low. never ever thing less of yourself. i am tired of this foolishness, tired of being in this game.

[@JR-bj3uf]

@@BobRooney290 Amen

[@lohengrin4009]

Sounds like government work, they all have background checks and medical screenings including drug testing. It takes weeks in not months to get an interim job offer pending approval of ongoing investigation. Once you’re in it takes an act of God to have you removed as you will certainly notice when you become accustomed to your coworkers work ethics.

[@Aaron_R]

Keep in mind, these two don't actually work. I actually have a normal job as a pizza restaurant assistant manager. We don't have enough workers working. Most people come in and don't work (just want to look at cell phone). I will also this about men - wife and children is a trap that forces men to work to support wife and kids.

[@enohp660]

Amazingly, I have a friend who fits all 5 criteria. High school dropout, unmarried, black, born here and doesn’t live in a home with a child. We’re both in our 50’s and he’s never worked a day in his life.

[@missmodern]

😮

[@Martino2156]

I know a few older men that have given up on everything, but basically their life. Each one of them got screwed over hard by their spouse, were forcibly estranged from their children by the courts, lost and lost most of their assets ending up on someone else's futon after a lifetime of working hard for those people. They ended in deep debilitating depressions. It's amazing they avoided suicide. These men do not leave their home for any reason avoiding people at all costs. They are basically agoraphobic now. I believe that if they were forced out of there homes they would probably end their lives. btw, they are all on anti-depressants and none smoke weed or drink alcohol.

[@Warbr33d]

In all the religious scripts, there is the idea of feminine submission to their man. So women in the West got duped into thinking they were strong and independent and that any form of submission is a sign of weakness. It always haunts me to see how the Asian immigrants who come here behave in comparison with their local counterparts. You just know they make better wives than their argumentative Western counterparts. I'm genuinely surprised that Western women have not begun a mass awakening of how they've been played. Then again, it is men who are the true truth seekers, not women. Just look at the amount of women who believe in Astrology lol.

[@SoloRenegade]

exactly, men are lazy when they no longer have skin in the game. They no longer have anything to live/fight for. they are attacked an vilified by society. And I don't blame them for it. they feel helpless, and see work as pointless, and it's not by their own making.

[@steve00alt70]

Just sitting in the house sulking will make everything worse. Get up and go outside.

[@aoeu256]

@@SoloRenegade Its a perfect storm of the HR automated resume system, feminism, information destroying the bubble of our nation being the greatest, and addicting screens. Hopefully AGI can improve and build replicating robots so that we don't need to work as much and can live in a VR heaven.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@aoeu256 it's Far more than just that

[@SquintsyBJones]

I'm a university graduate in my mid 50's now, with a successful 30 year professional career. Many years ago I saw a future, a house, a good woman, a nice retirement. Now I see none of that, just total disillusionment as I watch everything being taken away and I see an old age of hardship. My dad taught me to be an honest, hardworking, responsible man. He was right to do that, but where does it get us? I watch terrible, lying people prosper. Why bother? There is no meaning in any of it and I'd walk away from it all in a heartbeat.

[@Savagetennis]

You could make a difference with 1 person and pass it on.

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

GED, non-college,blue and gray collar tasker, frugal, long term aggressively invested in large caps (until recently) retired 7 years ago under 50, wife works part time at a job she loves with good medical benefits. We are low income, high assets so we don’t get any government cheese but we don’t pay for so many other peoples “bad luck” any more

[@JonathanBell-xl4dl]

@@Savagetennis that is not guaranteed to be effective.

[@Warbr33d]

Why should the fact that an incredibly small minority prosper cause anyone to just "give up" and throw in the towel? Makes no sense whatsoever..

[@Savagetennis]

@Jonathan Bell you need guarantees? There is your own personal satisfaction that you can learn to seek through helping others. Who said life is fair? Who said guarantees are included? Life is earned not deserved. And life isn't easy and it is tragic. But it was given to you. Seek and explore.

[@dreamweaver4886]

WOW! What a truly riveting discussion. It certainly starts putting some candles on the cake for me in the UK. Many thanks to both of you. These are certainly statistics that our governments and their MSM don't want out there, for all sorts of reasons.

[@lexdeobesean]

I studied to be a geologist, 6 years. I love the outdoors, mountains, hiking. I ended up doing a mind-numbing desk job. I quit after 3 years. Building a career is also just torture. Low-income, no free time at some 'competitive' contractor. After a decade you can look forward to the fun stuff. Hell no. I was wasting my life. I was lost, bored and depressed. I sold everything, burnt all my bridges, went to Africa and volunteered in wildlife law enforcement. No proper income, but lots of fun, adventure and experience. Best decision ever. 20 years later I am now a comic artist, sharing my fun experiences. I've had a good life do far, but I couldn't have done it without first shedding myself of these social expectations.

[@NattyKatty77]

wow!

[@gw7768]

So funny about the burnt all my bridges part 😂..

[@EviMlcak]

What a noble job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love animals, but hate poachers!

[@mjohnson1741]

Congrats to you! You came to the realization young and pulled yourself out of the matrix! I too am much happier after leaving the "cult" of main stream society. If you have a pulse you should have a bachelor degree, work in corporate hell America, married, 2.2 kids, house and strive to make the 6 figure salary. So glad I said pick a finger to that and never looked back and couldn't be happier, I love life!

[@invidusspectator3920]

So true!

[@lurker-mq4fp]

Dedicate your life towards a shareholder-owned company, surrender your best years to it, see your bosses take credit for your work, then get outsourced/replaced by IT upgrades. I am astounded that more people don't throw it all in.

[@Witnessmoo]

Throw it all in for what? To be a parasite on those of us who get up everyday and work to provide the food these people eat, the cars they drive etc? Making an argument for parasitism isn’t edgy or smart

[@lurker-mq4fp]

@@Witnessmoo I work every day, despite the looming economic tsunami about to hit the UK. We both are just a number who would gladly be replaced by a machine if the owners could do so. I have seen it happen before, sadly.

[@jynxbot352]

Sadly because if you throw in the towel, you'll be punished with poverty and no ability to access healthcare. Many are afraid of that and for their families and rightfully so.

[@henryostman5740]

This has been a very interesting discussion on many levels and possibly connects with my experiences over the years. I am a retired economists with the BLS so I connect very much with your guest and his work. My earlier background right out of college was in the field of city and urban planning but fortunately I had the credentials in economics and statistics that got me to where I finally ended. I am also qualified to drive ships, fly airplanes, operate trucks and farm machinery, and extensive knowledge of rail transportation and how it works. I am from the vietnam era for men, because of schooling I went into the service late, and since I chose officer training I stayed for a longer time than most. In the end of that era the number of active duty billets was sharply declining and there was little career path there and rejoining the agency that I worked with before would put me far behind other staff that originally were much behind me before my call to active duty. I also came to realize that planning had many openings for entry level positions but the road upward was quite limited and all too often positions with extensive technical requirements were filled by candidates with proper political connections instead. I chose to return to the university ending up with some really good credentials but being in my mid thirties as essentially a newby in the job market. This at a time when there was and is a discernible bias towards bring women into positions, I don't object to this but they didn't serve the time in the military that we did. Not my immediate issue but it is pretty obvious that our school system is in steep decline. Our primary and secondary schools do not provide students with basic working skills in mathematics, reading, and writing. They also do not provide life skills such as understanding basic contracts, insurance, and how to care for a car, a house, or a spouse. New mothers leave the hospital not knowing how to feed or care for her new infant. This is particularly true of many if not most of our urban schools. Wonder why so many of the middle class families leave the city, just look at the schools. Universities are complicit in this as well, selling students on rather impractical career paths that often sound good but are very unrealistic. For many science programs the BS degree is only a foundation and the MS or PhD is the needed credential. Other programs, for example City Planning, appear attractive but consider that when I started there were about 150 such programs in the country, ten years later there were probably about 1500, there just isn''t a market for that many entrants each year. Sadly this is also true for Law School. Better take a few classes in waitering or bartending because that is where you are going to end up. meanwhile the universities have taken their money from you and will send you letters asking for more donations. Back to the issue of men, until the late '50s a lot of co-eds were in college to get a Mrs degree. Changing that is probably not a bad thing but it has resulted in a competitive battle between the genders extending beyond the academy into career work life and objectives. At one time most of the college grads were married within several years of college graduation, this has now extended to the late 20s and early 30s. Even then women postpone starting a family until much later, often having their first child in their mid to late 30s or even into their 40s. Biology wasn't designed for this, it opens the doors for lots of complications for both the mother and the child. It also comes at a difficult time in their work lives when the competition for career advancements are most intense. All of these issues probably contribute to the failure rate of marriages. When this does happen men often end up with the short end of the deal, not having a family but paying for it anyway. This situation is hard to undo, men aren't interested in women with baggage, i.e. children since they're paying for baggage of their own, so they look to younger women without the baggage. Women might look to younger men, that might result in a hook-up but the young man really wants that pretty young girl, not someone near to his mother.

[@GarryReyom]

I'm not going to work for less than $35 / hour. There are skilled labor positions still trying to pay $20 / hr

[@MasterTSayge]

The majority of my friends are making over 110k a year, and THEY ARE ALL MISERABLE! Most of them are burned out, PTSD, and extremely lonely! That's why i moved to St Thomas in 2017 after being an engineer for 5 years and became a bar tender, making 35k a year. BEST DECISION OF MY LIFE! Now I'm truly connected to nature and happy people. 😁

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

No incentive to work. For me is not worth going to college. Is better to work.

[@Smiler2724]

Also people moving to Asia countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia they are living comfortable life without headache

[@waynejohanson1083]

There is a price to pay for those high salaries.

[@MariusBelea]

do they still have open bar tender jobs in St Thomas? Since you're still there, it seems to be a sweet deal...

[@chickenmadness1732]

They shouldn't be miserable. You're supposed to do that kind of work for only a few years, live like you're homeless and save all the income so you can quit asap and retire in your 30s. If they did that they would be happy for the rest of their life.

[@petenztube8592]

Minimum wage $7.25. "Why is nobody applying for this job?" Yeah, it's a real mystery.

[@analogueoverdigital929]

😂 right. Doesn't even include that technically due to inflation AND govt taxes, your really making like 3 or 4 bucks an hr. Real mystery. Back breaking work for something that in an 8 hr shift you wouldn't even be able to pay one simple bill now a days.

[@Mattb81]

Bingo!

[@komlat253]

Yup federal min. Has been 7 25 for over 20 years even when the great recession in 2008 . The data is obvious. Why do u think native born school graduates are more likely to not be working than less educated immigrants? It's not cuz of the American dream .working a dead end job for a multi billion dollar corporation isn't ever going to get u the American dream.. no offense to immigrants, I glad they do it cuz I can't...yea there's a Macdonalds by my house and every single one speak Spanish as 1st language, none of them are making a living or reasonable age .I'd never apply for that job ever sorry..most Americans know why they don't want those jobs because there's no reason to be there

[@komlat253]

Yea I feel bad for some states. Atleast in Washington the min is 17.50 but I've never seen jobs that low so altho have had many different jobs ,if haven't made under 20 for like 7 years out of my 10 years of working. So I can actually make almost 200 in a day. It doesn't go far there but it feels better mentally

[@draighodge6039]

The minimum wage is $7.50 in my State...but most places offer $15+ for entry level jobs. They only want people who can produce $17.89 or more in goods or services because they pay payroll taxes in addition to wages. $15 is what the Market says is necessary to get applicants.

[@vanillabeanlady]

My partner is one of these men. He lost his job years ago due to a severe depressive episode, and started working at the family business. We then moved for my career, and he's been unemployed now for years. Applied to thousands of jobs at this point, and no one will hire him. He managed to get one job but they bait and switched him from office work to manual labor which he can't do because of a heart condition. He has a college degree and experience, yet no one will hire him. Tried going to the welfare office to apply for benefits and help finding a job, was denied and told to have a kid to get benefits...

[@tubalcain6874]

I turned 65 last month, and I work both a full-time day job, and a part-time evening job. I work in industrial sales in my day job, and I deal with a lot of industrial accounts, and some construction accounts. I get an earful of “nobody wants to work” frequently. Truth be told, I can say unequivocally, that I wouldn’t work for the vast majority of my accounts if you held a gun to my head. That said, I can see why millions of men are work avoidant.

[@davea3329]

It is because of the industry you are in. There is huge demand for sales, retail and hospitality. You are not competing with as many college grads. College grads want high paying white collar jobs. Anyone discussing the job market should differentiate that.

[@moonknight4053]

Dude, why’s true world like this?

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

It is definitely dog eat dog out there. I'm a full-time caregiver and have been doing ride share like Lyft and Uber for the past 8 years. I tried to up my earnings and worked for three different chauffeur companies and each one of them bait and switched me. Telling me I would make a certain amount and then end up taking all of the tips and paying me pennies on the dollar. I completely understand why you say you wouldn't work for many of the accounts you work with.

[@cinemathequerouge317]

Yes, it is really hard to hide how vile a firm is from sales reps. 😂 You often end up seeing their true colours.

[@nicholascarter9158]

​@@moonknight4053 Because these kinds of jobs used to have union protections, and now they don't.

[@johnwieczorek1184]

A fellow once told me about an employer who required 10 years experience with a program that has only existed for 5 years. This same company turned away the person who invented the program because he didn't meet the 10 year requirement.

[@alyssawoodman]

Lol 😂 This is brutal!!!

[@ntokheim]

I watched youtube vid of a guy who applied for a managerial job at bestbuy. They turned him down cause he was older and they were looking for someone who was around 19 but who also had 5 years experience. So they wanted someone who started working as a manager at age 14? How is anyone supposed to take these employers seriously?

[@fearless6947]

@@ntokheim lol can't be true

[@adacathy3018]

Just shows the ignorance of employers

[@snelokster]

😳

[@longranger65]

Fascinating information. I wonder if any of the unfilled positions are attributed to corporations that don’t actually want to hire additional employees, but want Wall Street to think that they are attempting to fill them.

[@jamesmills200]

Men were working at a consistent rate until 1965. Rates continued to drop since then you say? Humm, what could have been going on around that time?? - The first oral contraceptive pill, Enovid, was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on May 9, 1957, but it was only approved to treat painful or severe periods. In 1960, the FDA approved the pill for birth control purposes, and within two years, 1.2 million American women were using it. By 1967, Planned Parenthood estimated that almost 13 million people worldwide were using the pill

[@spartansfan1026]

Man, why watch this for an hour? The answer is simple: you can slave for 40-80 hours per week at a "decent" job, sacrificing your social life and hobbies, and STILL not make it. I am not one of these unemployed men, but it's easy for me to understand why this group grows. All the money is continually funneled from our pockets to the top.

[@tommartyn524]

You people in the comments keep missing the overall point. Men have been over worked literally for thousands of years, but we’d always work. What changed? The nuclear family changed. There’s more single women/ men than ever before in history. Average women don’t want average men anymore so average men are thinking “ well why do I need to work? I’ll never have a family “

[@spartansfan1026]

@@tommartyn524 Don't agree. There are many women who dream of a nuclear family with a good, average, working man (despite whatever unimaginable manmade horrors await future generations). For that matter, there are plenty among us who can accept being overworked so long as they can provide well for a family. Right now, for many, that's just not possible. Your woman will be working full time just to pay for childcare, and you'll be working overtime to just barely pay everything else.

[@tommartyn524]

@@spartansfan1026 you can disagree all you want but you’d still be factually wrong. Go look at the studies, listen to podcasts, look at the studies on dating apps. Women are setting their filters for 6’3 men who make 6 figures. The average women DOES NOt want the average man. That’s not my opinion, that’s literally what women are saying. Furthermore, I’ll make the same point. Men have been overworked for literally thousands of years and those men were more than Willing to work ? What changed? The nuclear family changed. Average women have turned their backs on average men

[@spartansfan1026]

@@tommartyn524 So why is it that women want a man making so much money? Because our so-called "job creators" have left the average population sorely lacking in jobs that can support a family. I can't blame women in trying to seek a partner that can provide.

[@tommartyn524]

@@spartansfan1026 I knew you would do that. You literally just basically agreed with me and you’ve tried to justify women’s shallowness. “ well yeah women want men who make a lot of money but it’s justified “. Regardless of why women turned their backs on average men; you literally just agreed that they are IN FACT turning their backs On average men. Women have done what I said they’ve done; as to why is a separate discussion entirely

[@ajones0916]

I'm a 32 year old software engineer in this boat. Incredibly tired of the insatiable growth culture, lionization of work as life's purpose, and emphasis on hype over quality. I'm financially stable and have very little expenses so it's hard to convince myself to go back to work when I was largely miserable when working.

[@elmateo77]

Look at your assets and do some math, you might be able to retire soon. I'm also a software engineer with low expenses, and should be able to stop working around 35 and live off investment income, although I might go a bit longer since working from home is pretty chill.

[@ajones0916]

@@elmateo77 If I stay single forever and could reasonably get by without medical insurance I could probably retire now. I own my house, my mortgage is fully paid off, live in a state with very low taxes, and my total expenses are under $10k a year (outside of vacations). I do want kids at some point and / or would like to continue to vacation so I'll probably return to work soon but I certainly don't see that lasting too long.

[@BobRooney290]

@@elmateo77 locking down 10 year CD's between 4 to 5% will help with supplemental income. having a 2nd home/apt you can rent out also helps.

[@philiphudgens4726]

@@elmateo77 Exactly what I did...I retired last year at 31 having sold my share (40%) of my 8-year-old business to the remaining partners at a huge discount & I've done well with my property/stocks/crypto too. I've always maintained that we should only work for a secure future & to do things that we want to do, not to get ludicrously rich...ergo attaining financial freedom was the catalyst for me to exodus the 60 hrs/wk grind. The only real downside is that I don't get that fantastic Saturday morning or holiday "Ahhh no work today" feeling when I wake up anymore! 😁

[@YummyFoodOnlyPlz]

I have seen early retirement people go two ways. The first cohort cannot stay still and they volunteer or seriously pursue some long term project to fill their schedules. The second cohort just stay stagnant and only do the bare minimum -- this cohort almost always end in tragedy if they don't switch to be productive because they essentially become zoo animals bored out of their minds. Often it was either suicide or drug overdose or some other form of death.

[@alisonvanschoor730]

Thank you Chris - thought-provoking as always!

[@MisterTutor2010]

I've been laid off for 14 months with no end in sight despite having a PhD in biochemistry and 22 years experience.

[@richardkeilig4062]

Please get an alternative teaching license and come to Iowa to teach biology and chemistry. Best, Rick a science teacher with the same education and a US Army Veteran.

[@sagon111]

I'm 59 college educated, and worked my whole life but in my 30's everything changed, my healthcare suddenly had to come out of my check monthly $820, and vacations were reduced to only 2 weeks a year, and we're not accumulative, in addition you couldn't take the 2 weeks at once. Raises became few and far between. Wages stagnated for 25 years. I left the hourly traditional employment work force working for someone else in 2006 and jumped into the gig work with several different sources of income. I make my own hours and actually work more, but much more gratifying, and happier. There are so many variables that are not mention in this discussion, especially wages in comparison to growth and wealth of the US, it just doesn't add up, it's appalling. We have all been hoodwinked.

[@dragorn3212]

what field are you in?

[@billnotice9957]

WHY did you not WALK!!!???? I am same age. Same background. If my employer cut my wages and dumped my Healthcare. GOODBYE !!!!The only good thing about having a McJOB. Is it is disposable.

[@susanarsoniadou]

Here in Europe you can work teaching English but you will never get rich. You need to do private lessons. That is , you have to be self-employed. Here is the catch. You need to declare the lessons . Otherwise , parents instead of employers steal from you. It is like a Catch-22 situation.Everyone wants to cheat everyone else...

[@thesnare100]

@@dragorn3212 yes what field/company were you in that changed your benefits? I'm working part time right now and I don't even get ONE full week off.

[@thesnare100]

@@billnotice9957 maybe cause she needs money to survive, gotta at least work until you get a better job.

[@user-it1hc9nn8i]

7 million are the number of good Americans that starved ro death during the President Herbert Hoover administration. Hoover could have avoided this debacle but he said if he fed them it would make them weak. It certainly made people weak. It made them weak enough to die of starvation. He showed no remorse.

[@30husky30]

Clearly men get married AFTER getting a good job. Not the other way around. Also, it's clearly easier for employers to fire a single man than one supporting a wife and a ton of kids. Regardless of merit.

[@carltaylor4942]

Yes, It's so hard to understand why a man would not want to spend his entire life working for a company that simply doesn't care whether he lives or dies and will sack him the moment his paid time off runs out, whether he's lying on a beach or in a hospital bed.

[@joeBishop866]

Wow. It's almost like businesses have something better to do with their time and energies than hold your hand. If you want a company to REALLY CARE about you; start your own business. If you want people to really care about you; start a family. If you really need a friend; get a dog.

[@bobshanery5152]

@@joeBishop866 Very true and yet most of these comments here think a random business is supposed to be your friend/family. Its a job you do for money. You can find a business that you make friends in or what have you but in the end of the day.. Its a job. Its as if people today want a business to be a parent or something. Society is collapsing.

[@robinjohnson4646]

That is spot on. I agree that corporate life can be soul killing, but then learn a trade. Be a plumber, set tile, shoe horses, drive a truck, train to be a police officer, etc. I live in a very blue collar area, and all the men are working, have families, throw parties, go to sporting events, and they all seem at least reasonably happy with their lives. Not to mention the fact that many of the make pretty good money.

[@ARCSTREAMS]

id rather be lying on a beach, so take this job and shove it lol

[@brainjuice6547]

@@joeBishop866 This is a heavily culturally biased mentality that is not the be all and end all mindset of how the world of work and business should work. It is merely the mentality that America itself has chosen to follow and these are the consequences. It's not how things have always worked. While there obviously has always been a bias towards self-interest throughout time, the way systems worked have changed over the years for numerous reasons that have ultimately lead to the state of the world we see today. Back in the middle ages, you ploughed fields and lived on the edge of poverty with the possibility of getting murdered by invaders or you willingly put your life on the line and fought battles for glory, wealth and status. Times were more simple back then for better or for worse. Nowadays things are complicated. Mo matter which way you look at it, life has always been about survival of the fittest but now we live in a world where veterans who have been released from duty are struggling to adapt to civilian life because of how complex it is. To do anything in life nowadays, you have to fill in a billion forms and go through a ton of legislation and people are both intimidated and fatigued by this. Therefore, they choose to instead turn to the few things that form filling and legislation is not a barrier of entry, things they can just go and do immediately. When you look at videogames for example and the instant gratification they bring when you accomplish something that would take ages to accomplish in real life, you can clearly see the problem. There's too much red tape and legislation, too many forms, too many registrations and other complications of the like. You didn't need to have qualifications back in the day, college was a luxury, now it's become somewhat of a mandatory gateway that more or less everyone goes though and by the end of it, they are no better off because their competitors all went through the same process and came out with the same results and when they apply for the job, they are turned down because they don't have the necessary experience. Qualifications are worthless in that regard. The world has become too clinical and legislation is what has caused all of this. Attempts to improve social systems over the years has brought upon too many complications. People look at employers as heartless and evil but they too are a victim of this clinical environment of over-legislation that presents a huge minefield for them to navigate and therefore the nature of employment has changed as a result of legislation. It's no secret that many people out there who are working low income jobs are employed solely as a result of legal loopholes and their careers are literally hanging by a horse hair. How can we have a world where we have connection and empathy when over legislation has created this clinical void? You can't even volunteer for unpaid work without filling in forms anymore. It's all because of people using the court systems to file lawsuits for compensation and companies have to cover their backs and they need to get solicitors to do this which adds more to the costs. Why do you think so many people go to law school? That's where all the money is, because Law plays a role in everything and knowledge of Law is in high demand because Law is so complicated now. On top of this, you have companies that are mostly owned by wealthy people in the middle east, some of which have never run a business in their lives who are greatly influencing the decision process of how companies operate for the sake of short term gain so that they can profit from trading stock. When companies are publicly run, who is ultimately going to be held accountable? The CEO can't be held accountable because they're just an employee and they can resign at any time with a guaranteed job position elsewhere offering the same wealth and status. If no one is being held accountable, it means that these shareholders can get away with basically anything they want at the expense of both employees and customers of the service. What irks me is that despite all of this legislation, we still do not have a law that forbids companies from allowing public shareholders and requires shareholders to be connected to the company in some way, requiring them to work a station of some sort. If you aren't working in the company, why should you have any rights of ownership? It's all wrong. Yet somehow we have all these other regulations that are constantly bombarding both employers and employees. We are being suffocated by it.

[@gabrieljordan8015]

I've been an electrician for 22 years and having a sense of purpose in life and being respected by members of your community is the most fulfilling feeling ever.

[@jurgschupbach3059]

Go into the Bullshit Job Business sincerly your Stalking Sabotage Psychotronic Harassement Departement Sign in by my FUGG OFF RISPUCT HUH

[@Trendle222]

i think the most fulfilling feeling in life is having a stack of 100's after all your bills are paid !!

[@deathlarsen7502]

What's that got to do w this

[@Claremore-Man]

It was 1000× easier to get an entry level job 22 years ago ya reductive donkey.

[@olympic1l196]

@@deathlarsen7502 he’s saying his entire identity is labor.

[@wesleyfirkin6359]

Work for what? The money offered is too low. The basics are too high. Work makes no sense.

[@kellyyork3898]

We need carpenters, plumbers, electricians, HVAC workers, etc.

[@josephscott1952]

Working is giving YOUR ECONOMY A HELPING HAND

[@mr.davisscorner6260]

The job market is the same as the dating market. Unreasonable demand while offering very little in return. When job requirements for entry level jobs are longer than the resume of its application, you know something is wrong.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Why would young men maintain with their hard work and taxes a society that hates them, belittle them, slave them, and have to pay for children not 9f their own?

[@donttreadonweeee9478]

Paying for children not your own? What are you even talking about?

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 child support, they can chain you to pay for HER kids no matter what paternity test say, it's paternity fraud.

[@Vitlaus]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 Taxes go to welfare mommas with several kids. Taxes also go to defense/airspace CEOs and their kids.

[@Macheako]

@@donttreadonweeee9478 your tax money is given to single mothers. Dur

[@donttreadonweeee9478]

​@@Macheako Takes a man and a woman to produce a baby. Do you think these women are getting pregnant magically from god? If you are going to punish women and children you need to also punish the shitty men that impregnate them and leave them.

[@lewislee9201]

The comments section is waaay more interesting and informative than this interview. All the answers are here to read.

[@galen__]

Since 1965, arrests and convictions have created the problem where an estimated 25 million Americans now have a criminal record. What percentage of these people have the money and mental stamina to clear their record when they’ve been unjustifiably convicted?

[@ArmourLad]

If owning a home, having a young wife and a family seem like a pipe dream then men wont turn up for work. Society has to offer these men something, they don't owe us their labour doing these tough jobs.

[@dirankomorov]

Absolutely! Near where I live they're building new apartments practically as far as the eye can see in one area, it's how they'll get to Klaus' "You will own nothing and you will be happy", I don't want to be a rent slave, I want to own a house on some land someday

[@gideona.dunkleyiii699]

they will just hire mexicans and foreigners to do the work

[@gamingforever9121]

@@dirankomorov then what you need to do is organized get politically active run for office be the change you want to see.

[@jakryan1497]

​@@gamingforever9121You clearly don't know how the world works.

[@gamingforever9121]

@@jakryan1497 I do it’s why I’m telling you stop being a black pilled bitch be the change you want. What’s stopping you consequences? If you feel things are truly bad then fuck the consequences. Do what feel you gotta do regardless.

[@dm95422]

The Wise Man's Law of Conservation: "If there's nothing worth buying - don't waste your money. If there's nothing worth saying - don't waste your breath. If there's nothing worth doing - don't waste your sweat. If there's nothing worth climbing - don't waste your steps. If there's nothing worth fighting for - don't waste your strength. If there's nothing worth loving - don't waste your passion. If there's nothing worth saving - don't waste your tears. If there's nothing worth pondering - don't waste another thought. If there's nothing to fear - don't waste any sleep. And, if there's nothing to gain - don't waste your time." - Jack Squat (May 1, 2023)

[@georgepetkovic440]

Poetry which will define the common modern man of this era.

[@timsteinkamp2245]

I sure hope you copy and pasted that. You probably have it in a folder for comments on YT.

[@MiltonWarmikael-o1m]

Wow

[@nicolebaker8674]

I’m in the trades as a machinist and a welder. Despite desperately needing people to do this line we can’t find anyone. No one is adequately teaching people how to do the work and that’s if people can even afford to go to school for it. Beyond that no one wants to give any young people their first job and by your second job you still aren’t making anymore than you would working at Costco. I see the destruction of the labor force to be caused by the hollowing out of education turning it into an industry for profit and by greedy corporations that don’t want to risk losing money on anyone looking to enter the work force. I can’t say that I blame young people for barely wanting to try.

[@skunkhome]

Having a family changes everything.

[@joebriggs5781]

I think many men are partially giving up on working because they don't have the incentive of marriage/partnership anymore. Lots of single males have just given up on that with what dating looks like now and without that incentive it feels meaningless to so many. I don't know what can be done about that at this point.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

Marriages are also down

[@spadgm]

They would have to change all the gynocentric family laws and that is not going to happen anytime soon so men are walking away in droves.

[@marcduchamp5512]

The great reset requires less people involved thus the depopulation scheme implemented by the elites of the planet because they are moving to AI and robotics

[@soberanisfam1323]

Capitalism needs to collapse before we can move on from this train wreck

[@yearginclarke]

@@ohjay7612 Exactly...we wouldn't want to actually address some of these issues with women that are infecting our society like a plague, now would we? Not to say that all of us men are angels either, far from it. But the era of traditional woman is dead for damn sure. The sexual promiscuity that is now tolerated in our society is positively disgusting to me.

[@Nanarchy_2k7]

I had a job I loved and worked at for 9 years. Got laid off. Here's the breakdown, I have the same amount of money available to me not working as I did working after bills. Government has been lowering taxes on the rich and turning to the working class to make up the loss. The rich want us poor and focused on that being poor. If we're focused on fixing that issue, we're not focused on the bullshit they pull. I'm not on drugs, not on alcohol, not on disability or any government programs. I'm just sick of the system and don't waste my time taking part in it.

[@HashFace253]

Comrade! Come join the revolution! Join us commies

[@unknowncommenter6698]

Take all the money from government you can, get your taxes back and stuff.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

So who's paying your bills or are you living with a WORKING parent?

[@Nanarchy_2k7]

@@BruceLee-xn3nn Grandfather. I'm on call 24/7 for any assistance required, handle his bills, meds, meals, etc... He's 88yo. Unfortunately, I can't get paid for the position as there are restrictions on who qualifies for those programs. (namely, he makes slightly more than allowed for the program.) It's complicated and frustrating and involves government saying, 'nuh-uh. we don't wanna.'

[@mkelly4042]

But what do u do for money?

[@waterbug1135]

Retired 22 years ago at 45. Funded by slow flipping my house. $250k of profit is tax free so my reportable income has been $0. Don't even have to file. $0 income = poverty = free healthcare via Medicaid, free smartphone via LifeLine. Getting house #4 ready to sell in 2025 and then moving to SE Asia to find a woman and have some kids. If I pass before kids are 18 they get up to 180% of my SS which would be about $6840/mo which is a lot for SE Asia. Why not?

[@AncalagonTheDread]

I don't have a job, and I'm not looking for one. I make about 4500 a month through resale on Amazon and refurbishing computers. Work smarter, not harder!

[@brighamdixon]

When you devalue the money, you devalue the desire to work. It’s simply not worth it anymore.

[@jimclark9790]

Your right on the money Dixon you can’t hardly own anything anymore because wages are not even close to where they should be!!!

[@MidnightMark12]

@@jimclark9790 The supply is too great, and nobody wants to work when women get the house, the car, the kids, and whatever you might have scrapped up in the meantime. This is what happens when the sugar rush is over from the pack-of-candies economy.

[@jimmyjimmy7240]

It's certainly worth it if you're not a lazy fuck and have actual goals and purpose in life. That's why, even though money is being devalued, there are still millions of successful men and women.

[@1439315]

Well said; more from you sir !

[@tfilmyr]

A guy in the US sitting on a couch with zero ambition still lives a better life than most of the rest of the world. 🙄

[@Povole]

I quit my trades job to work part time in a warehouse. Trades job was great when I was planning on supporting a woman and having a family. I'm a single man now, no need for extra money. I value my free time for hobbies.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@luxurybuzz3681 not as much as women though besides most guys can live comfortably on $20k a year anything more is for fun

[@watamutha]

I've always said if I didnt have a wife and child I'd probably do the same thing. There's no point in working hard to support someone when there's no one to support. Also guy's needs are generally pretty low.

[@aoeu256]

@@luxurybuzz3681 like what kind of hobby?

[@Sentinel82]

@@luxurybuzz3681 He never said he had no income.

[@alelectric2767]

There’s no free time working in the trades? What? Get back in there save your money retire somewhere nice.

[@user-sg5ky4cu9w]

I still don't understand how people avoid working. He said they have a woman to pay their bills, their parents pay, or they are on disability. I find it hard to believe so many people can have these sources of income.

[@peternorthrup6274]

I remember the day I walked out and retired at 55. Nobody believed me. I had a great deal of responsibility. I left the company phone on my desk. Never looked back. Corporate greed made the decision for me.

[@minimalistvlogger3467]

tell me more

[@vincentharris7909]

💯!

[@unkorichie2029]

I did precisely the same thing at 48 years old! Worked at a failing biotech start up in L.A. One day, had a meeting with the boss, and he had the balls to say that I need to get more done (I was middle management). I was utterly offended and disgusted. Fortunetaly, I had been at some very successful start ups before this one, so I looked up all of my investments and savings, called my wife to tell he what I was about to do. I went to my boss, handed him my resignation, laptop, phone, keys and badge, and never worked again! That was June 21. Moved to Florida, and living the dream!

[@anms2023]

@@unkorichie2029 I resigned/unofficially retired when my employer started requiring the covid vax . Best decision of my life.

[@CillBill94]

I've retired at 28. Just need to eke my savings out for the next 50 years

[@adam7802]

I can't blame people when even for a mundane job at a supermarket they put you through lengthy tests designed to weed you out if you don't fit exactly what they want. it's very demeaning to be rejected constantly without hearing anything back - bit like online dating really!

[@musicandlaughter_]

yep those questionnaires are wild. if you don't commit every answer to making yourself out to be an obedient little slave with no discretion for circumstantial adaptation, you're basically forfeiting your chances of getting hired.

[@MinifigNewsguy]

@Roger McMillan "online dating" was likely implied as a passive comparasion. Let's stick to the topic!

[@jackr2287]

My favorite one is "would you break a rule, EVER?!" Which the answer is, "well is the rule written in blood, or in black ink. I'll break the latter, the former is sacred. Where's my options... ah yes, [yes/no]. How granular."

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

@@jackr2287 A stupid rule, sure I'd break it. Sadly the only person who would employ you after that answer is Elon Musk.

[@jackr2287]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 And alas he's also existing in a bear market.

[@jerrycraig3737]

It’s unbelievable that I came across this subject. I am an older senior woman. I have been shocked at the young kids that are not working. Right now in the community colleges any kid over the age 30 can go back to school for nothing in most highly demanding jobs. These are very well paid jobs. I must say that I am a Canadian. I think that the situation will probably be near to the same. My neighbour told me his son is 30 and would rather stay at home and play electronic games than go to work. On the other hand my niece and nephew are 17 and can work at any kind of job to make more money. My granddaughter works long hours to get money. My grandson went to school for 10 years. He is now employed. About why you don’t hear about this group is because they are on their electronics and are just the lonely quiet person in the neighbourhood This will be a very sad part of life if it is not corrected. Good subject..

[@rastalique8114]

I was working at a small pizza place in Vegas and the owner had to send everyone an email to stop going to work high.

[@joebloe9901]

Modern jobs dont even pay rent. Why is that so hard to figure out? Men want a job that buys a car...take the woman out...save for a house. These people are clueless.

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

Live like Mexican immigrants. 8 to 10 people per house. Share expenses

[@piotrd.4850]

"These jobs, are going boys and they are not coming back.... to your hometown".

[@LeeAdrian777]

Takes rich ass people to interview on a topic and supposedly be experts but it goes right over their head 😅

[@gfy2979]

They aren't clueless, they are hired narcissistic gaslighters.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Stop buying $40,000 vehicles and $1,200 phones.

[@jonnyhammerstix1535]

Men don't want to work because the benefits don't outweight the work. Because Women don't value that a man is willing to work a shit job for them and don't care that they smoke themselves to provide for their family. Men went from being supported and held in high esteem to now be chastised and not appreciated. Men finally said, F it. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

[@amazinggrace313]

So you want women to want losers because you bust your ass at a shit job that can’t pay bills??

[@macneoh7418]

Truth. Almost every man I know has been destroyed by divorce and child support. Women will divorce for almost no reason and family Courts will reward them for it.

[@antwanowens4013]

I agree

[@mateaukalua4426]

You speak for the vast majority which is the right thing to do. Can't live off of exceptions.

[@cherrysunburn8367]

I totally agree!! Because why would I want to be with someone who was insensitive and not able to articulate their feelings but instead want me to be below them in order for them to feel good I'm so not about being mistreated and unappreciated.

[@EvanPrice-zc8gq]

I've applied for so many of these "show up sober" jobs and they always reject me. I have 3 years experience in mfg and retail