The Hidden Truth About Our Collapsing Birth Rates - Mads Larsen

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Why Mads’ Activism Caused Trouble 05:59 The Stats That Caught Mads’ Attention 09:23 Why is a Declining Birth Rate a Bad Thing? 23:51 Is Mads the Vanguard of This Issue? 27:01 The Global Issues Causing a Birth Rate Crisis 39:09 Do Men Need to Change & Improve? 47:42 How Society Can Help Elevate Men 57:07 How to Improve Our Mating Ideology 1:02:31 The Actual Reasons Why People Aren’t Having Kids 1:08:09 Opposition to Mads’ Work 1:19:01 Where to Find Mads

[@fransxescoli4834]

Dude. What’s wrong? You know where the real sauce is. Why are you evading me?

[@cryptoguruguy8965]

Men fought the wars to protect society woman fight for the right for abortion

[@I_am_that_one_guy]

Great interview, you are right up there with Rogan in my opinion. This is behavioral sink, this is a death of purpose, leading to self worship and entropy. We must diagnose this psychosis and find out how to help people and bring more life into this world.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Great needed discussion and great rational guest. Well done!

[@Rootz2000]

❤❤❤

[@neondystopian]

Never met a woman who wanted to have kids with me but I sure have met plenty of women who wanted me to help take care of the ones they already had.

[@d0kut0]

Haha just “missed a match” with this 25yo woman who’s unemployed, doesn’t drive with 4 kids looking to settle down and find her one true love. Whole thing just sounded like just wanted a cash cow to milk

[@-haclong2366]

I've attempted to make 2 women pregnant this year, plenty of women want children, the main issue is... Can't say that...

[@ingridlindquist4895]

@@neondystopian This shows how children can be a disadvantage for woman. They risk to be held back by responsibility for the children. For woman its emotionally very difficult to give over the children to the father if they are divorced.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

@@ingridlindquist4895 the risk is enormous for women. I get that. I stay convinced that it's mostly a men problem: not reliable enough, persuaded that they will just have to snap their fingers to find a fertile woman if they want children age 45, extremely picky when it comes to long term relationships, not willing to do their part at home. Unpopular opinion: it's really into men's hands.

[@neondystopian]

@ingridlindquist4895 which only happens when they choose poorly

[@smitty1919]

I was born in NYC in '91 and grew up surrounded by cousins and kids in the parks. Now, as a mother of three, it’s striking how different things are. Most of my female cousins aren’t having kids, and my best friends either can’t afford to or don’t want to in today’s environment-even though they’d make amazing parents. After moving to CA, I rarely see mothers my age, and parks often feel empty. The concept of 'a village' feels obsolete. Motherhood today is incredibly isolating and nearly impossible without financial privilege.

[@searose6192]

That simply isn't true ...kids hardly cost a thing.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

and you only had 3. That's the bare minimum required to not be a part of the problem. let alone a solution.

[@effexon]

@@dontcallthemliberals3316 I dont think that was the message. 3 is plenty. but so so many have 0.

[@iFParasit]

Undervslued reason women are more inclined to folow into the footssteps of friends or slightly over women if theyre not having kids they dont aspire to either coz it looks like ur gonna miss out on what they have

[@smitty1919]

@@searose6192 how old r u and how many children have you had? Because everyone in my generation thinks having children is unattainable due to cost of living.

[@greenleaf1635]

Animals in captivity often breed less due to stress, limited space, disrupted social structures, and unnatural environments. Poor diet or health issues can also impact fertility.

[@wombatillo]

Our society is a worse rat-race than many of the vocal social critics in the 80's could have foreseen. Social media has definitely made us unsocial and purchasing power for the individual consumer is going down the drain. Salaries/wages are stagnant and housing prices and the cost of daily products and services just keep going up. Combine this with an ever-present sense of impending chaos and doom with the economy and you have a terrible mess on your hands.

[@elizabethlondon7754]

I was just thinking about this the other day-- most of our issues come from legal and social systems (and elites running all that) trying to tame us into submission in increasingly tinier spaces and lives like we are factory-farmed chickens. And we wonder why we all feel like crap, some folks start acting out like a tiger pacing in its cage, why many of us are sad like animals out of their native environment in a small box, and why we all seem to succumb to illnesses our great-grandparents never saw? We are like zoo animals being kept in small cages being fed the wrong food because it's cheap... only we have to work to keep our cage!

[@campion04]

I keep reading this. As if this was the REAL problem of fertility.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

The biggest problem is the world-view that has been stripped away - the biblical world-view. The general world-view *can* exist without a true belief, such as in the 1980s, and, IMO, that would make society happier.

[@ACDMovies]

You didnt listen to single thing said by the person who actually studies this. The natural tendency of women does not match to evenly distributed pair bonding..... They either want to get the top ten percent of men or have nothing....

[@federoffm]

Living in our little Catholic bubble in Steubenville Ohio, babies are EVERYWHERE. Large families are common (my wife and I have 11 children). It really changes the texture and atmosphere of day-to-day life when marriage and children are the centerpiece of the community. It changes how young people date as well, the perspectives are much longer-term, and the boys in particular are expected to "man up" and be ready to provide for their future spouses (though nearly every young adult woman has a college degree as well. We Catholics educate our girls). Marriage in your early 20's is the norm, and babies start arriving not long after. Intense? Absolutely. Meaningful? Absolutely.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Are they all yours or are you a blended family?

[@federoffm]

@@AustrianPainter14 All mine with my wife of 33 years.

[@cordfortina9073]

How does the community stop the single women from all chasing Chad and ignoring the majority of the guys in your community?

[@federoffm]

@@cordfortina9073 Totally fair question, and it strikes at the heart of why you need a community with shared values. Premarital sex is not a thing in traditional Catholic circles. The Chads can't "bang the babes" because the babes don't give it up without a ring. This also keeps the ladies from getting "stuck on their highest setting" because some random Chad put them there. Everyone basically pairs up with someone who is comparatively attractive. You know, the way it supposed to work :)

[@AustrianPainter14]

I’m truly happy for you. Every man envies you. Sadly most of us won’t even get to be married or have a family at this point even if we’ve been baptized.

[@A_Hardy]

I’m Norwegian electrician, make 77grand a year, my wife makes also good money. And we can’t afford 2nd child. The bank make minus -120.000,- in our loan capacity per child. So the Norwegian state punishes us if we have children. If we have 3 children, it will be impossible to have a place to live.

[@HansAaraas]

100%

[@cordfortina9073]

Isn't Norway the country of the £20 pint of beer, though?

[@mortensimonsen1645]

@@cordfortina9073yes, alcohol is taxed heavily.

[@jsbrads1]

Why do you think you can’t afford a second child?

[@grannyannie2948]

@@A_Hardy That happens with Australian banks too. But once you buy a house they can't control how many kids you have.

[@lovaboy57]

I think a core piece of this is that our society has largely reduced the value of a child. TV shows and movies are mostly adults living in apartments with no children. A child is viewed as something that you should have AFTER doing everything else you want to do (travel, have a career, etc). An unexpected pregnancy is looked at as something that will ruin your life. The unsaid thing about all of these aspects of our culture is that a child is not a positive thing. It gets in the way of ME. My hopes, my dreams, my wants, my fun. If I have a kid, I’m not the most important person in my life anymore. We’ve built a narcissistic society that simply doesn’t value children. Thats not an easy thing to fix.

[@mrfake675]

They put putting babies in a blender over motherhood and wonder why men aren't lining up

[@FromRussiawithvideo]

I don't think this is wrong but watch the video as this looks at women not able to have as many children as they would like to have and the spiral this leads to culturally. Like all these one theme podcasts it over-focuses on one aspect of the issue but one not being considered at all so worth discussing.

[@hyenaswine]

I agree but it's not only narcissism. Society makes it prohibitive to have and raise kids. People watch the news and see what happens to kids and families and they thank God they don't have any. Pretty sad.

[@Mike-br8zt]

As a lawyer who practices in the area of family law (divorce), I can think of many reasons why men do not want to get married, especially in the USA.

[@emilyl6746]

@Mike-br8zt A big part of the problem is that a lot of men don't know how to pick a good partner. They overestimate a woman's looks as an indicator of a suitable partner. The men we know who have been married the longest aren't married to models. People generally also tend to pick partners based on their feelings, which change from day to day. Whereas marriage and commitment is a choice and not a feeling. This is missing from a lot of the conversation. There's actually a male therapist out there who tells men to pursue more average looking women and to give attraction time to develop. But how many men do you think are willing to do that?

[@giveitatry951]

@@emilyl6746 What are you talking about? Do you really think most men even have the ability to chose between partners? Most have the chance to be with a few woman in their league over their whole lifespan at best. Either they pick them or they end up with noone.

[@GenTrueWisdom]

This conversation will NEVER be discussed, because the lawyers the courts and the women get paid, the only loser is the men, and unfortunately noone cares, between feminism and divorce courts, men are terrified of marriage

[@seemlesslies]

​@@giveitatry951It's always about blaming men and women not taking any responsibility for their own actions and shaming other women or changing ANY of the clearly insane laws around marriage and children.

[@worndown8280]

The data shows it isnt all women having less kids. Its a certain subset of women have no kids. Perhaps those women are toxic. Perhaps those women are just focused on other things. But in many nations, like Japan, its a case of women not having any kids at all. I dont think there is a universal answer as to the why. In each country its different. But the underlying issue is the same. Women being treated the same as men always seems to lead to this end. Irrespective of cultures. It happend in Rome, it happened in Greece. It even happened in Persia. Every place women are made equal to men ALWAYS has a catastrophic effect on birth rates. Always.

[@MrBigbangbuzz]

Men are also checking out of relationships due to the cost of divorce , men's wages are stagnant and men's education have fallen .. everything needs to be addressed

[@markfornefeld299]

Mgtow

[@kdeuler]

Yeah. Most vids on this topic concern men who’ve had enough.

[@bobcharles7933]

No kidding. Here in the US the average man has not had a pay raise that equaled and actual increase in their standard of living since 1974.

[@c2225]

Marriage is not needed to have kids

[@SilkSonic-c9z]

​@@kdeulerIm apalled just how these podcasts dont discuss how society functions only for rich They are becoming like msm Ppl dont realise this podcasts are not alternative to mom They are becoming msm slowly but surely

[@Sophiascott12]

The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner.

[@mbaum4613]

We really need to discuss how expensive daycare and raising a kid is now. It's insane. Daycare is a second mortgage.

[@notsure278]

I had twins, Daycare would be about 1.5x my mortgage. Luckily I work from home, but that means my kids are having to be raised by a dad who is also working and doesn't get everything they need during the day as far as play and teaching.

[@CrustyWhiteBread]

They broke our money in 1964 causing this and there is no fix until we go back to honest and real money. Good luck.

[@paisleyfamily5972]

What about making raising your children your career at least while your children are not in school.

[@hikerJohn]

There was no such thing as daycare when I was a child

[@kari6710]

Fr. I did the math and it would cost me $2,000+ for daycare, car payment and insurance a month if I got a job before I even got out the door. That’s why I’m a sahm lol

[@lennny2218]

A major point to discuss more on this issue is status. The ideal nowadays is to be successful in a career endevour and make lots of money. Women play a unique role in family life by being the heavy lifters of childbirth and care, but this is seen as a lesser position to fill it seems, especially if you choose to be a stay at home mom who works on family oriented things full time. Its like you're settling for a lesser life than the career woman who skips out on having kids and goes off to girlboss her way up the economic latter. Its a value thing, we just dont value family as much as we value status and money. And the financial landscape being hellish for young people right now only drives that ideal even harder as its getting more and more difficult to make enough money to live. Having kids is seen as an unnecessary financial burden to an already difficult situation. Im norwegian and my mom was a stay at home mom. She made our childhoods incredible with all the things she did for us, but I remember clearly how she was looked down on by working moms for staying home. Our culture simply doesnt appreciate things that are not exchanged for money. Taking care of your kids? Nah. Paying someone else to care for your kids while you work? Absolutely!

[@danielpye7738]

That’s one way of stigmatisation. Our household is me working full time and my wife is part time. A part time ED nurse who is quite fantastic at her job. It doesn’t hurt our son to see us both working. The modern economy and societal needs can easily accommodate all sorts of ways of working while parenting I even hear working from home is a thing now….

[@MC-ze8wj]

I think this is very true, as a hous3wife myself, I got a lot of pushback when I said I wanted to do this and got a lot of comments on how I was basically wasting my potential and also that I was setting myself up to be in a position to be abus3d or that if something happened to my husband I would be S.O.L. lots of fear mongering about him either kicking the bucket or finding someone on the side and my having to put up with it etc...even though I know that's not my husband it gave me so much stress. So young ladies who consider this get a lot of negative feedback.

[@lennny2218]

@MC-ze8wj Exactly, "wasting your potential". For what, slaving for a corporation that can replace you at any moment? No hate to people who love their jobs, but taking care of your family has its own reward that is not measured in money. Good on you for sticking to what is right for you, Im sure you are a blessing to your loved ones.

[@enricogarro5884]

You nailed it!

[@thaliakate888]

I’m a fan of SAHM’s and would want to be one, because I used to be a teacher and the children of invested SAHM’s get the best results. Sad that your mum was judged by other women, but great that she experienced the judgment and did it anyway. Likely her efforts produced healthy stable outcomes. ❤

[@karlarcher8773]

I'm 48 and have six children and in the UK. I left school at 16 and met my wife at work at 18. First four children before 30 then a couple of didn't try hard enough not too afterwards. How is that possible? We accessed the property market in the mid-late 90s when property was at its cheapest following the 89/90 property crash. To put in perspective, 3 properties were on the market for a total cost which is now one third of the cost of just one of those same houses (we bought the house in the middle). Same should've happened on 07/08 meaning this generation missed getting a homes at a reasonable value. Now this is the difficult one. I live opposite my in-laws (and have done so for 27 years). Free child care. I was amazed speaking to another father who explained their child care costs were like another mortgage. Our holidays have been camping and not going abroad. There is quite a bit of guilt for the children having to share bedrooms. My biggest fear, given if i were my children's age, this would never happen now, is that I will have fewer grandchildren than children. Sadly different parts of society will need to feel pain for this issue to be resolved, there are too many workers depressing wages. A labour shortage will put up wages meaning higher cost of living for mine and older generations, but if a home and a family becomes a genuine hope for young people, they will make babies.

[@F0rglory28]

Asking govts to solve the birth crisis is like asking them to fix bad music. It is beyond their abilities.

[@Throwaway-x9e]

Dating apps, economics, promiscuity, unrealistic expectations.

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

Ban all forms of birth control and abortion and watch the birth rate rise. And yes, government has that power. Haha, just look at Iran's population growth pre and post Islamic revolution.

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

They're also a massive part of the problem on both economics as well as pushing toxic ideology.

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

See: population of Iran 1960 to 2020. Government CAN solve this entire problem, you just don't want to hear what the solution is (taking all freedom away from women).

[@jakej.2893]

@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 we're talking about fertility rate though. Iran is at near it's lowest birth rate in history. it was slightly lower in 2008 but it is falling again currently. by your logic removing women rights actually made the birth rate worse in Iran.

[@LouiseLouise-eo9ot]

Chris why aren't you a father yet? By choice? Can't find a mate? Fertility issues? In process of adopting?

[@henrytep8884]

😂. Best irony of him doing all of this is that he has no excuse for not popping out a hundred children.

[@rood6422]

On my end it is I can't find a partner, the ones I was interested in were either taken or not interested and those interested in me didn't meet my standards. Considering going across seas at this point.

[@stevesmith3990]

It's not about individuals it's about the big picture of trends in populations.

[@RockBottom4]

He's bi. I'm sure that's a big part of it.

[@rogerbartlet5720]

@@RockBottom4wishful thinking?

[@miroslavasobanova8368]

Society has so much influence on us. I was told by my granny that I am lazy because i dont want to work.. i have 2 kids - a 3yo and a 10-month-old at home, i was working between them, but now I feel like it is the best for them when i spend some time with them at home. Both my parents and grandparents had a huge family (grandparents) support, which we dont have at all because our parents have their own lives and they still work, the circumstances are just so different, yet i really dont understand why mothers are shamed, i would like to have more kids but i know i would be very criticized for such decision even in my own family..

[@aldebaranredstar]

Great comment. I agree with you.👍

[@heatherhanson505]

I'm a 39 year old, single, childless woman who very much wanted a family of my own. I have a good career, have started a small homestead, I'm no great beauty but take care of my health. Maybe my standards for a partner are too high but I would rather never have children than become a single mom and I just haven't found a partner who wanted a family and who I felt confident that they would stay with me long-term and I wanted to stay with them long-term. Becoming a single mom would ruin the life I have worked insanely hard to build. I don't have the money for childcare on my own nor would I want some random person spending more time with my kids than I could while I work full-time and I have no family nearby who could help support me with raising a child. Maybe I would have taken a bigger risk with men I've dated in the past if I had some family support, I dunno. But I dont think my situation is that uncommon and I think a big part of the issue is the breakdown of multigenerational families where everyone comes together to help raise children. The vast majority of the responsibilities of raising kids has now fallen on mom and dad, it is no longer 'it takes a village to raise a child' and it's insanely difficult for 1 or 2 people to do it alone. Edited to add: i just finished the video and I'm disappointed they didnt have advice for someone like me on new/unconventional ways of finding a partner because I've tried everything and very open to ideas, lol. At this stage of my life i have very low hopes of finding a partner before conceiving would be very difficult so my plan is to keep working hard, retire early, around 52, and then foster and adopt children when I can be financially secure enough to stay home and raise them right. But if a suitable man suddenly fell into my life tomorrow I'd be willing to give it a go so y'all, please tell me where to find him 😂

[@derek4412]

I think your situation is actually quite common! And we all make choices, but it was very hard as a single man dating when I could tell at least half of the women in front of me on these first dates were not interested in becoming wives and mothers. At least they didn’t seem like they had a sacrificial attitude, that would make marrying them feasible. But I was able to sift through the bad ones and find a great woman, and we are now trying for our fourth child. What I’m getting at is, there are literally dozens of reasons to not get married and not have children today. But it only takes two people to say “we’re going to do it anyway”. My wife and I are both those types of people.

[@flemutter7211]

You can’t eat your cake and have it too. You have become the partner you are looking for. You wanted financial and sexual power but it comes at a cost. Anyone with both powers is in effect a tyrant and no one healthy likes a tyrant. I don’t know what to tell you darling. This bed is made.

[@flemutter7211]

@@derek4412beautiful read. May God keep you both and protect your kids.

[@Martin_137]

Dear Heather, if you want a good family man, you need to attract him, he's not randomly "falling into your life". And there's nothing more attractive to a good man than a loving and faithful woman, who's not acting too crazy. ;-) Be a lady. Go out places where your preferred character is likely to frequent and make it OBVIOUS you're available with eye contact and smile. Positive motivation is stronger than demands/complaints. Plus you'll feel better, too. (Your 52 plan sounds sad, tired and aimed at more kids without a father figure. Worse than cats. Please don't do that to yourself.) God speed!

[@heatherhanson505]

​@@Martin_137 What makes you think I haven't tried that for the last 2 decades? I'm not stupid or totally socially inept, what you laid out is the traditional advice for women to attract men. Nothing new or revolutionary. Well, some of us just aren't lucky enough or pretty enough to land a quality man when we are young. And it only gets harder and harder as people get established and settled in their lives. I've dated a lot and have had a few multiple year relationships trying to figure out if we can make it work but we ultimately run up against an incompatibility in what we want in life. At this age I'm much more content to just take care of myself and look forward to kids later in life rather than forcing it with someone who is not someone I think would be a good husband and father. I think that would be a much sadder reality than being a cat lady or adoptive mom.

[@luminyam6145]

I keep pointing out to my husband the lack of children we see when we are out in public. We used to see strollers everywhere, not anymore. There are no "portable classrooms" anymore. There are hardly any children in parks anymore. It is very disturbing. I only have 2 grandchildren and it is unlikely I will have anymore. If societies want children, families have to be supported. Until governments and these shortsighted corporations see that no customers means no tax base or no profits, things will continue on in this ridiculous fashion.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Vvomens rights + social media

[@russellhoward3866]

Does less tax base mean higher interest rates for countries' borrowing?

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

Idk. I went to the zoo this last spring and it seemed like every other woman I saw was pregnant. They were mostly older women tho. Over 30 but they also had a brood with them already too

[@Macreadysshack]

***usess anecdote that also proves nothing***

[@AustrianPainter14]

Mrtickleberries That’s called confirmation bias. Imagine going to a football game and seeing football fans.

[@markuswilde3592]

This is an amazing example of cognitive dissonance. One the one hand he states that Norway has created one of the very best societies in the world, then goes on to say that this society is heading for extinction. A society that destroys itself is not a good society, even though you may feel good in it.

[@viggotannhauser7251]

Indeed. He also repeats over and over how "abolishing women's freedoms would be a bad thing that nobody wants", even though it is clear that said freedoms are the cause of civilizational collapse.

[@camovets5719]

Thank you !!! It’s like saying “ my diet is making me obese & sick, I recognize that, and talk about eating healthy, but will not advocate for actually doing it.”

[@FromRussiawithvideo]

@@viggotannhauser7251 Well that isn't quite clear. South Korea has far less women's freedoms and half the birth rate. The gap between men and women's expectations might be more crucial. So making men more feminist and women less.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

Haha that's so true. What a deranged take. If you're people are heading towards extinction, get off your comfortable sofas and fix the freaking problem!!

[@nk53nxg]

I have 13 cousins, and I am one of three children myself. My son and daughter only have 2 cousins, and we would be commiting financial suicide if we have another child. This shows the drop in population from our generation to the next. Childcare cost is double our mortgage a month, and that is with one grandparent helping out twice a week. Wages have not increased in real terms with inflation for decades so we are working just as hard or harder for less. Animals will delay reproducing if the environmental conditions are not good enough to support offspring, many animals like deer will re-absord the fetus if only enough resources are available to sustain the mother alone. Humans are no different, if no surplus funds or resources are available, they will put off having children. This is all about big business manipulating the labour markets and wages, also people are now being denied property ownership as the costs are too high??!!! If people have no stability they will never take the risk of being destitute with a baby. The jobs market is also highly unstable, many people have no stable income or even a long term place to live.

[@julius43461]

This is hilarious. A person in 2024, living in the developed part of the world, comparing themselves to starving deer to demonstrate just how bad the situation is for having children. You have to stop comparing yourself to your parents and grandparents. They were living during the golden age that was an anomaly and will probably not repeat ever again. I don't have anything against anti-natalism, but it irks me to no end that people can't recognize that it is actually our expectations and our lifestyle that are the problem. We have set the bar too high, which will ironically lead to the economy dropping further, and people will only start having more children when the entire system collapses and dictatorship just start coercing people into having children.

[@rodan2852]

​@@julius43461 my grandfather was born during the depression, into a family of 7. He worked as did his brothers at a young age to help support the family. See, the economy was horrible, yet children could help produve a surplus. This is quite the opposite post ww2, since children could no longer work at a young age unless under an apprenticeship. Therefore children started to become a burden. The reality is that child labor is a contributing factor that people fail to see. Call it slavery (in some cases very true) but these kids ended up with valuable skills, confidence and maturity, humility, and often times decent pay once their apprenticeship was compleete. Most children started work at 13 for most of human history until the 1930s when that was completely phased out, although the process had been happening slowly across the industrialized nations since the 1890's.

[@nybergjm]

My friend, you should be looking into government policy as the primary cause of the CoL crisis. While I agree big business can manipulate the market to some degree, it only does so by capturing regulators and then using the government to prevent competitors from joining the market. In other words, it is almost always state policies and regulations (e.g., restrictions in new housing development) that create artificially high costs and reduce the spending power of your currency (e.g., inflation is caused directly by the printing of money, and nothing else!). As a fellow sufferer of CoL increases, we must direct our energy towards the correct perpetrators.

[@nybergjm]

If you're still skeptical, read or listen to Thomas Sowell. He really helped me understand these principles.

[@angryox3102]

@@nk53nxg pretty silly to say humans are like deer and don’t produce offspring when resources are scarce. Deer do that naturally, humans where condoms, use birth control and have abortions. We are nothing like deer.

[@hanskrause8315]

31:09 there is a French saying: "God laughs at those who bemoans the consequences of the causes they cherish". It perfectly describes this researcher.

[@amorfati6728]

Bossuet-pilled

[@dylzp]

It always intrigues me how every video that I’ve ever watched on this topic always involves the discussion of “making men better”. There is never ever a discussion of “making women better”. Even when women are performing badly compared to their traditional archetype, we still turn right around and talk again about “making men better”. I truly find this astounding, like to the point that it truly shocks me…

[@old_toucs6283]

Another, very obvious, reason for men to quit the dating scene. For someone who claims to have done research into fertility the man in this video seems to be spectacularly good at not understanding it.

[@rathelmmc3194]

His point was that people need to meet where they are. Women can't expect men as a demographic to improve. So it wouldn't make sense to also think women as a demographic needs to improve.

[@tailgunner2]

@dylzp Look who runs KZbin, and who she replaced. That explains why.

[@mortensimonsen1645]

Men lead, women follow - a general statement of course, but there’s truth to it?

[@tailgunner2]

@mortensimonsen1645 The last 50 years says otherwise.

[@JohnSmith-yc6uv]

My parents are some of the youngest baby boomers. They spend $200 PER MONTH on satellite tv. Plus subscriptions for prime, netflix, etc. I have no idea how much money they spend on booze, going out to eat, etc, but by the amount the do it, it must be several hundred a month. They blow EVERY MONTH what my mortgage is. Parents used to build wealth for their children to inherit and continue building. I worked as an electricians help for several years. EVERY SINGLE HOUSE we went to that had an older woman in it wad FILLED with useless decorations. Parents stopped caring about building their children.

[@BENR8108]

You need to plan for your own retirement. Don’t rely on your parents; and if they leave you anything be grateful. Basically no one is going to save you; save yourself

[@JohnSmith-yc6uv]

@BENR8108 Yeah...thanksfor that info.

[@Victoria-Enzula]

​@@BENR8108parents should try to vote to benefit the generations to come

[@danielpye7738]

Grow up

[@donnarichardson7214]

I'm one of those single women, and I can tell you, my parents left me NOTHING--but they did provide money for college. I worked my ass off and didn't have enough income for a family, or vacations--or to buy a house til I was 60. Anyone who thinks they're entitled to inherit ANYTHING material IS the problem. Get out there and do it yourself.

[@fnffnchfhc154]

We should also be talking about the overuse of endocrine disrupters in most products. It has a negative effect on fertility and we should do more to stop the use of these unecessary chemicals in products

[@Patson20]

look up how birth control works. It literally fills your body with progesterone to trick it into thinking it's already released an egg and it's been fertilized. This suppresses your desire for sex as agajn your body thinks that's already happened. There's NUMEROUS studies that show women find different things attractive on and off BC, and that they prefer more effeminate men when on BC (because they aren't a "threat" to the baby) and more masculine men when off BC. This doesn't only effect women either. Testosterone is a reactive hormone, so the male body produces more or less determined by environmental factors. And because almost every woman between the age of 13 and 45 now days is taking BC 24/7/365 we've actually noticed measurable amounts of progesterone in the water supply from women urinating out the massive excess. This gets in the men and causes them to produce less testosterone. Leading to the "why aren't men like they used to be" "wheres the real men" effect. The lack of testosterone makes men more obese, more irritable and agitated. Hormonal birth control is poisoning men and women

[@hennyindacup]

What percentage of the population collapse is due to people having the funds and support system to have children but can’t due to infertility? I understand your stance and agree that man-made foods and products are harmful but this variable by itself only impacts a small minority of people, people who usually wait far too long to try and have children.

[@Patson20]

@hennyindacup yea I'd say that choice is the primary driver behind this rather than infertility. We have data from every country on earth that shows that as the country becomes richer and more "equal" the birthrate always plummets.

[@fnffnchfhc154]

@@hennyindacup I don’t know the statistics on that but it’s a no brainer that we shouldn’t have products that ruin people fertility and make them sick. Of course fertility issues is only one part of the equation but if a lot of people struggle to find a partner before they reach their 30’s then it’s a pretty bad idea to have so many products that decrease fertility when it’s already a Challenge because of age

[@fnffnchfhc154]

@@Patson20 even so, fertility is still an important issue that we should ALSO make changes to improve. It’s not a competition, rather we want to make changes that improve all aspects. It’s truly sad that a significant amount of couples who actually want to have babies are struggling to get pregnant

[@janvanbowens]

The modern fascism of stress, medical abuse, bad nutrition, industrial food, environmental pollution, psychological distraction, no purpose in life, narcissistic dispositions, children avoiding society etc. helps everything but fertility or family life.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

Yeah, its an anti-human flourishing system right now. And its 100% a choice. We have the abundance and human capital to solve any problem, it's just that we can't because a system that is more and more becoming a death cult keeps driving humanity in the wrong direction!

[@lq9713]

42:30 You don't hae to tell them to lower their standards, but you have to tell them the truth; that they can't have it all.

[@soacker25]

🔥👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤝🏼

[@-haclong2366]

Women's standards typically lower by themselves as they age because reality always catches up, the best women are always out of the dating market early, but the leftovers are either spoiled (Alpha widows) or ripe (lower their unrealistic standards).

[@marianhunt8899]

Most people can't survive on 1 income. Look prices of rent, healthcare and food. Most of it boils down to 2 people being financially forced to work long hours to just afford rent and food. Physical exhausted does not encourage good sexual and relationships. Exhaustion is real. Sleep is the new sex!

[@kimilsungthefirst6840]

​@@marianhunt8899Wages are depressed because women flooded the labor market.

[@ElizabethMBoyd]

This is the issue right here, look up the UNs definition of genocide thats whats actually going on in open borders western worldnative births are traded for mass imigration ​@@marianhunt8899

[@kdeuler]

Issue is that men and women don’t need each other as much as they used to .

[@johnathanmandrake7240]

A perception of not needing, because we've engineered each other apart. But yes, I agree too.

[@BlueMountainSports]

I believe they need each other more than ever and do not see it.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

We need each other. Everyone is getting more miserable these days "not needing each other"... population collapse, depression, health decline ... the family unit being broken has allowed this to fester.

[@FromRussiawithvideo]

@@VisionaryStorytelling Yes perception of need but end result ending up horribly seems accurate.

[@IrisDel-qo8xi]

I agree Marriage is not a necessity anymore

[@elmateo77]

Wait, how is the government transferring resources from men to women good for society?

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

1 million per women!! Only way i can understand it is politicans wanted to put women into the workforce. Higher supply of workers to drive down wages. Maybe boost GDP after the war years? But it costs men 1 million per woman in Denmark!!

[@JoiskiMe]

I can't understand it myself, it's insane. And I'm freaking Norwegian!!

[@MiMysmelfandI]

It pays for the lawyers’ children. That’s about all it does.

[@Victoria-Enzula]

They need to value all that work of women caring in the home.

[@elmateo77]

@@Victoria-Enzula If a woman is married to a man and she stays home usually he would go out and work to pay for both of them. It's a voluntary exchange of services consented to by both parties, the government doesn't need to be involved. Or do you mean single women need to be compensated by the government just for taking care of themselves and their own home like a responsible adult?

[@JJ-qp6jw]

This guy is so calm with people attack him personally and professionally. He has an amazing attitude of indifference and thinks it’s at least good people are talking about it.

[@numberproof7228]

In my view, the real reasons we arent having kids: 1. Young people have a lot more entertainment and interests than older generations. When I look at people with kids who I know, they have maximum 1 actual hobby, sometimes zero. Most people without kids spend lots of their spare time on multiple hobbies, and do not want to lose that time. Raising kids may be meaningful to some, but its not fun, and its hard work. Many would rather relax and engage with their hobbies instead. 2. The growing divide in values and politics between men and women. Nobody wants to date someone with opposing values, and the more the divide grows, the less people will get together. Less dating means less relationships. Less relationships means less kids. 3. Financially, its not just that people cannot afford to have kids, but they cant afford to have kids without making significant sacrifices to our own comfort. However, it is also true that some people cannot afford to move out of their parents house or out of renting a house share. Nobody wants to raise kids if they cant raise them in their own home.

[@thinkbig5438]

I‘d add a 4th one. Societies are not kid friendly. They are seen as a disturbance.

[@ickster23]

To sum up, it's for selfish reasons. Why do something that isn't specifically about you.

[@numberproof7228]

@@ickster23 There is definitely a strong element of that in points 1 and 3. I think this is a natural development of a world of abundance. Essentially, we are living in mouse utopia.

[@ickster23]

@@numberproof7228 Yep, mouse utopia. I agree.

[@jaskamattila4481]

These are the cope reasons, actually.

[@stephridestheworld]

Notice how it's not women worried about decreasing birth rates.

[@razefan350]

solipsism

[@jsbrads1]

Why would they worry, they can turn it around any time they want.

[@kimilsungthefirst6840]

Women are not known for being concerned with world historical trends. There's a reason politics has always been the domain of men.

[@APink176]

Women are worried about the decreasing birthrates too. Women have a much shorter time to have children than men, so women who want children think about this issue a lot, especially once we hit 30 and our chances go down with every passing year. Do you honestly think the only people who watched this video and are interested in this topic are men? And, for the record, some of us also have vested interests in history, politics, science, religion, and other current events. That’s why women like me watch this channel and others like it. The generalizations in this comment thread are gross. As Jordan B Peterson once said (paraphrasing), “if all the women reject you, you’re the common denominator. It’s not all the women you’ve ever encountered that are the problem, it’s you.” That saying works for women too. No special privileges here.

[@jsbrads1]

@@APink176 I appreciate your comment, it is true that sometimes women might worry about it. But for men, if you don’t change your behavior, you aren’t really worried about it, are you? (The previous sentiment isn’t necessarily about you)

[@fimanu]

I 100% agree. It's women's immediate choices but it's men's indirect choices that determine what choice is actually available to women. And I always disagree when people say women don't want to have children, many do but they are involuntarily childless simply because they will not settle to be single mums or feel like they carry the burden by themselves.

[@aawillma]

I always wanted kids. I had 3 siblings and wanted at least 3 kids of my own, but we could only manage one. Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now. Governments could stem the bleeding if they paid women who are already moms to have additional children. SK has proven that money isn't enough of an incentive to go from no kids to kids but it absolutely would work for people who are already parents by choice. My parents had 4 kids in 8 years and had ample help from their parents and siblings. I have lived 2 hours away from my parents for 7 years and they have only bothered to visit once each. The message is received, we're on our own, but it is extremely unnatural and difficult to raise kids in siloed nuclear families.

[@MrBigbangbuzz]

As a grandfather I'd love to help raise grandchildren,however the government wants me to work until I'm 70

[@federoffm]

"Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now" - doesn't work that way. Have the baby....the money will follow. Trust me on this. I have 11 children (all with one wife, don't worry). Every time we got pregnant, I got a raise, a promotion....money almost fell from the sky. But you have to step out in faith FIRST...then the good things come.

[@-haclong2366]

Money is not the issue, there are Somali families on welfare here with 15 kids.

[@impersonator4439]

I think this is the first step and group society should give money to. "Have another kid, have a 100k" or something similar.

[@jeremystonell690]

@@-haclong2366 Don't worry. The issue here is that they want to steal your money through taxes. Why did you assume it's to increase the birthgap?

[@shirleynelson9301]

Women need to have more security in the relationship to stay home and raise children. Society needs to support couples staying together, such as religious belief in commitment.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

Yeah, a lot of the problem is economics. You need to be in the thin slice of society that get's paid a lot to support a family on a single income. Boomer gen had it easy.

[@AustrianPainter14]

It doesn’t matter how much ‘security’ you’re provided. You all simply don’t want children or marriage.

[@julius43461]

1:18, "In Norway women would like to have 2.4 children". Not sure how this survey was conducted, but don't get your hopes up. Normally the way this is asked, people will essentially respond with "In ideal circumstances, I would like to have 2 or 3 children". The thing is, those ideal circumstances will never come for most people. So the fact that they only want 2.4 is one of the best indicators that this can't be fixed with some light incentives.

[@jeremystonell690]

Even if they did implement extreme measures, I'm not sure it would work. Augustus Caesar tried that and the nobles just worked around the laws. They didn't actually have children, they adopted. Personally, there is nothing you could offer me, even if divorce was impossible and a woman 100% submitted, that I would take most of these women, even if they looked like 10s. I do wonder how many men share the same disgust factor as I do but if it's even 20% it still would be devastating for society.

[@AngelDeed]

Exactly. And I'm not sure they examined the reasons why women didn't have the desired amount. They seemed to assume it was external circumstances but maybe they just realised they didn't enjoy it...

[@evacope1718]

​​@@AngelDeedyou'd be surprised how mundane the reasons are. A lot of women I know stop at 2 or 3 children because it's hard to find a big enough car to fit all the children in, or it makes traveling hard. The biggest barrier to me having a large family is the fact that my family lives 17000km away and it'll be financially impossible to ever visit them. Another reason is that people have children later and it gets more tiring the older you get. Simple as that really

[@edwardhisse2687]

"They only want 2.4" bro do you know how fast brats get traumatised if they decide you haven't given them enought attention and emotilnal availability 💀 3 is already pushing it time-wise.

[@julius43461]

@edwardhisse2687 Lol I know, I have a third one on the way. Since we are all gamers that means buying a 5th gaming PC eventually 💀

[@radicaltitan]

Having a family is no longer a major goal for many cultures, and instead people have been focusing on career and being “independent.” We need to change culture to value familes again.

[@ss-ds2dn]

There's a difference between genuinely having "family values" and systemically forcing people into families.

[@marianpe5773]

Because lack of religion too

[@SalmonColoredSalmon6267]

I feel like it's fear of going back to less free and nore oppressive times that are causing people to make up the idea that anyone will be "forced" into having families. I think the plan more likely to happen is that people will be "encouraged" to have build more families. The ability to create a family is a powerful and essential to the survival of the human species and with great power comes great responsibility.

[@ss-ds2dn]

@SalmonColoredSalmon6267 Those quotation marks are doing a lot of heavy lifting there

[@SalmonColoredSalmon6267]

@@ss-ds2dn I mean, I meant what I said in regards to those two words actually having different meanings. Forcing would be akin to something like creating a law that says if people don't have at least one child by the time they turn 30, they'll be subjected to work in a slave labor camp, while encouraging would be something like offering child tax credits to incentivise people to have children, which was mentioned in the video. But by saying heavy lifting, would I be correct in assuming you're worried that those words could be misconstrued as being vague enough that institutions in charge would see the definition of both terms as essentially being one in the same, and that they would choose to push for the forceful option while advertising it as simply encouragement? If not, what do you mean by heavy lifting?

[@vanessaprichard1925]

I remember my father saying to my sister and I whilst growing up 'Never be left holding the baby because the man can always walk away.' I took that warning seriously. Today women are not having children because that risk is more real than ever. We live in a world where individual gain is all that matters, and children are seen as economic burdens. In many, or I would even say most cases that burden lands squarely on the shoulders of women. Nothing will change unless society considers the big picture. Who are we and what are we doing here because presently we are just economic units, working to maximise the profits of someone else. Women with children in our present economic system have a tough life and no-one seems prepared to recognise that. My daughters have three jobs, namely traditional employment, raising a family and also the lion share of housework. I am surprised they opted to have children at all. Enough of the Exploitation. The social contract is long broken. Solution, forget about continual growth, treasure everything we have, examine our values and change our economic system away from one where only the greediest survive.

[@penguinvic9892]

The big elephant in the room is that logically it makes no practical sense for a man to marry in today’s no fault divorce regime and risk losing more than half of what he worked hard to accumulate. Once upon a time being married conferred benefits upon a man, everything from status to job preferment, but that is no longer the case.

[@heatherofthe7]

You’re equating marriage and procreation The difference is financially supporting your children vis-a-vie their mother versus the POTENTIAL cost of getting divorced- regardless of parental status Simply solution: pre-nup

[@penguinvic9892]

@ Prenups are not fool proof and may be dismissed on a judge’s whim. One doesn’t need to be married to have children but it’s no coincidence that marriage rates have radically declined along with birth rates. And continue to decline.

[@aawillma]

​@@heatherofthe7Yes. A man blaming his lack of a family on marriage being a poor financial decision is a very obvious cope since there are easy and obvious ways around that penalty including not getting married or yes, getting a prenup.

[@rogerbartlet5720]

I agree, the system works against the whole idea of families.

[@thinkbig5438]

Well, most posts assume that women should stay at home and take over care work, and men should provide. And then say woman are at fault because they don’t want to do that anymore because they prefer to be independent. This just showed why - because the men do not want to share what they make, although they only can because someone else does the care work. Not wanting to pay for your stay at home partner and your own kids? No wonder women don’t want to take the risk. Southey try to stay as independent as they can - which limits the number of children they can manage while working full time to stay protected. It’s all a really bad circle that leads to less children that grow up in more stressful environments.

[@joesantora158]

Stefan molyneux covered all this stuff like 7 yrs ago. You should track that guy down. Had over a million subs on KZbin and got totally banned out of no where.

[@soacker25]

Damn i remember youre absolutely right!

[@jsbrads1]

I don’t know what the trigger was for Molyneux was, but he was arguing wrongly that minorities were genetically inferior.

[@mr.mayhem7402]

He was banned because he told some unpleasant truths.

[@runes6843]

He's on Rumble. I think he got rich from some Crypto. But he's still putting out content.

[@MiMysmelfandI]

You’re not allow to criticize women in ANY form or fashion. Why? Women represent 80% of global spending and 2/3 of global debt.

[@mortanafidler]

I’ve listened to this for an hour and have not heard the word RELIGION.

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

Haha the science bros don't want to say it, it's like saying Voldemort to them. I kid, as Chris has talked about this somewhat, but it is interesting.

[@Tufas]

Taxes, rent, energy and food are about 85% of my income and the percentage has increased over the last 10 years, why would I ever have children. The signals from society that I am not good enough to make it could not be louder

[@danielpye7738]

It wasn’t any different when your great grandmother, your grandmother and your parents were paying their way through life. Yet here you are….

[@Tufas]

@@danielpye7738 Last 10 years my fixed costs went from about 60% to 85% now, if the next decade is the same it will be above 100%. I am not going to add another being into this

[@devilmaycry9969]

@@danielpye7738 False, my great grand parents, grand parents and parents had a better life. They didn't work the long hours I works nor were their bills and rent as high.

[@MrDezossa]

@@danielpye7738 It was different. Real state was cheap back then. You could have kids and have them working on the land, or build up their trade.

[@kimilsungthefirst6840]

​@@danielpye7738Go check the numbers on the cost of housing over time, then revise your comment.

[@ctowen5222]

This is some next level gaslighting. The town crier who is ringing the bell for having kids isn’t having kids….

[@mcihs2]

Talk is cheap, and actions speak louder than words….

[@sleeplessdev7204]

As they both said multiple times, the solution is not to lay blame on particular individuals, but to affect change at a societal level through changes in policy and cultural norms. Even Chris had a dozen kids tomorrow, it would change nothing about our demographic situation. The best thing he can do to affect change is exactly what he's doing: getting the word out.

[@johnathanmandrake7240]

I don't think you can say that truthfully. You don't know.

[@nathanmayes2164]

Do you realize how much they delete comments on your page - which directly affects your videos in the algorithm? I bet you're already minus 100 for the 8 that they let show.

[@stonemarten1400]

Even the faintest critique of fem in ism is deleted on this channel, so I won’t be surprised if this mild comment is removed.

[@rop49]

Any mention of a recent "medical" treatment of 80% of the population is also immediately deleted.

[@tgheretford]

They've been on a mass deletion trend lately. I get shadowbanned, replies hidden and comments deleted regularly despite being civil and polite. I called it out this afternoon on another video by editing the comment and all of a sudden, people started seeing it, left likes and commented.

[@tgheretford]

Your point was proven. I posted a reply to this comment and it didn't even show up, instantly deleted.

[@bobmathews9072]

​@@stonemarten1400Jews

[@b.malinowski302]

One of the most sober conversations I've heard so much on the topic. Thank you so much.

[@EvaMoritz]

This guy…. He is not only right. He is so gracious and so full of love and understanding ❤ I admire him so much!

[@theprofessionalamateur1676]

I got married at 24, and had three kids by the time I was 36- they are without a doubt the best thing that has ever happened in my life. They are closing schools in my city because of the shrinking student population, and the move towards charter and home schooling. As far as I can tell people are self selecting out of the gene pool and the only people having kids are more conservative and religious.... demographics are destiny.

[@julius43461]

Yup, all nations need to have that religious conservative core to survive. Without that, you can never get higher birth rates as people will never want to have more children.

[@bazstraight8797]

When we had our 4th (final) kid my wife was welcomed into the evangelical group of mothers at our kid's school. She was more of an atheist than me.

[@Volkbrecht]

I'd disagree with the notion of "self-selecting". For a lot of people, men and women alike, the reality is that by the time they get their priorities right, it's already over. Not sure how it works for women, but for men the ability to commit decreases with each disappointment. You can only put all of your heart into a relationship so many times before you get cynical and start holding back just for the sake of self-preservation. You can only do the right thing if you are raised into knowing what that is.

[@-haclong2366]

My youngest son has to go to a merged class because the school had to merge classes due to other schools closing. The few schools that stay open have larger classrooms.

[@strategic1710]

You can do almost anything in our culture, except say or do something that makes women feel bad about themselves, aka take accountability.

[@soacker25]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎯🔥

[@letsmakedo]

Aren't women being accountable by not having more children than what is economically and ecologically responsible to have? It's simply not possible to for many couples to make ends meet on only one salary. Both men and women have to work, and even then, it's often complicated to afford kids. And the ecological crisis is a real menace and not only in the long run. Wars over resources are already plenty on the planet.

[@aaronvt9980]

​@@letsmakedoThat's not accountability.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@aaronvt9980 That is accountability

[@djkori5521]

​@@aaronvt9980 its delusion and people are afraid of reality. The human mind is very great at rationalizing away many things and accountability is one thing. Something i see a shockingly high amount of women do. Maybe women need to be taught realistically speaking about reproduction and such? Genuinely this one thing ive thought about. I come from a family of 12 and out of all of us only 2 have 1 kid. I look around and the samething is basically happening to everyone around me. This is a problem rapidly snowballing out of control And either we fix it or be forced to make hard decisions we probably wouldnt want to make.

[@AlbertBalbastreMorte]

This man is an inspiration. Willing to take the abuse to have the conversation started is next level Chad.

[@narcissusecho7469]

Your guest hit the nail on the head at 56mins. Too much gov, lack of agency for men. Women have pair bonded with the state.

[@matthews7117]

Brides of the State

[@DTreatz]

The state and *Chads* _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊

[@RCGWho]

With the state, university profs, feminism, and each other. It's a mess.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

Yo, that resonates clearly.

[@MrStreetninja007]

Until the cost of living decreases and people can actually afford houses not many will be thinking about procreating when most are concerned about just surviving

[@ickster23]

You can't increase socialism and concurrently lower the cost of living. They are mutually exclusive. The only way this works is if we lower the standard of living.

[@jebes909090]

Nah dont do anything. It will eventually stabilize. The amount of people we have now is the anomaly. Imagine thinking unlimited growth was actually a sustainable model.

[@IgnasV]

I'm really curious what is going to happen when the median age is 50+ and they will try to tax the fighting age population to death. I guess I will see it in due time.

[@jebes909090]

@@IgnasV eventually that problem will also fix itself.

[@nickbargas7352]

He said "now that we have created these wonderful new societies". Then why are so many women having to take medications for depression? It doesn't sound that wonderful to me but what do I know I'm just a happy man. :)

[@draighodge6039]

How does taking "birth control" medicine for decades affect the minds of young women?

[@ss-ds2dn]

Maybe because from infancy we're surrounded by propaganda that says we're inferior and our looks are the most important thing about us regardless of our character and that society has never actually accommodated for our hormone cycles (Infradian as opposed to men's Circadian). Idk, just spit ballin'

[@annaa3772]

My mental health issue (not depression) has nothing to do with society and everything to do with brain chemistry. It just developed one day, the same way one can develop a physical health issue. Not everything is societal.

[@mudblood9699]

Brain chemistry is influenced by lifestyle, which is influenced by culture (society). For example, promiscuous women are more likely to experience anxiety and depression (a function of their brain chemistry).

[@annaa3772]

@@mudblood9699 Please tell me what lifestyle choices created my OCD. Because I'm not sexually active and it also wasn't the pandemic. My personality type is probably a part of the reason why I developed it, but I didn't exactly choose my personality. My OCD just appeared one day, it was like something flipped a switch in my brain randomly.

[@derek4412]

16:39 the reason academics are nervous to sound the alarm on things like the fertility collapse is due to the inherent bias of who becomes an academic. Male academics give up a lot to become academics. It’s very hard to provide for a family and give your wife and children stability if you have to move around constantly for the next academic gig. Female academics give up even more in that they also deal with the constant moving around, and also take the brunt of pressure from their families. Also, a very high percentage of female academics are themselves childfree. So if you were to survey 100 female academics at random who have at least five children, a significantly higher proportion of them would be interested in sounding the alarm about the fertility collapse. But if you survey 100 female academics at random who do not have any children, they have an inherent bias to make this seem like it’s not a big deal. And there are many more female academics without children than there are with 5+ children. So their attitude predominates. You could call it “self justification“, or whatever you would like. But academics are still human beings, and that is what it is.

[@AudrinaOralay]

This is an excellent point. I was actually told by my female PhD advisor (herself childless) to not get married and have kids while in my doctoral program. Seeing her gray haired wedding photo was enough to make me reconsider her advice. I did so anyway, and then didn't pursue academics after graduation. It's a self selecting pool of women who do the girl boss acacademics. Very rarely do they also have time for families. The ones that do, I've noticed, have stay at home dads doing the heavy lifting. It's not ideal. But I've also never met a young academic who has good health, mental or physical. They're all depressed or stressed in some way, as a rule.

[@-haclong2366]

Academics also function a lot like "a closed garden" where they refuse to listen to anything produced outside of it. It's not a discussion, it's a dialectic, and unless you're an accredited researcher in a specific field you are not allowed to read their studies beyond the abstract to review or criticise them. If science is to be trustworthy it needs to be open and free, as long as we have the current system new ideas are gatekept out and wrong ideas can thrive for decades without ever being challenged.

[@blondequijote]

@@-haclong2366 not only can the wrong ideas thrive for decades, eventually they start working heir way into the culture with an air of legitimacy because they’re considered scholarly.

[@annemosteller1850]

@@-haclong2366 So interesting to see your last point because it reminded me of a quote that stuck out to me from an old movie I happened to watch last night- “A free science in the service of humanity can be the only good science.” That central part is key- in the service of humanity- it doesn’t work so well when it’s in the service of self, wealth, or power.

[@derek4412]

@@AudrinaOralay I would agree that I have not met a young academic who seemed relaxed, or generally happy. Would you say it’s because stressed and anxious people go into academics? Or there’s something about the academic work itself that makes people stressed? I would lean toward the former, personally. I was watching another video recently, and they said graduate school is for people who fear failure. There certainly might be something to that. There are not very many entrepreneurial-minded academics. Generally, they are very “by the book”. Most of them had very good grades through high school, and pretty good grades in college. But in general, they are not the types of people to take risks.

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

I think the main question should be not if women meet partners they desire, but if men are willing to become single parents if relationships don’t work our so that their exes could go on having kids. Because if it’s gatekeeper sex that is supposed to sacrifice careers and become primary caretakers and maids in the household, the other way around could boost the fertility for sure

[@fourleafclover2885]

This guy can’t say “patriarchy” without adding on “oppressive” and then throws in Dark Ages as if all these terms belong together. Patriarchies aren’t automatically oppressive. And what does he consider the dark ages? I was raised in a large family with a traditional stay at home mother and a hard working father. We had a good healthy dinner together every evening. Clean clothes and a spotless house.y parents had 5 children. My mother was an outstanding homemaker and because she was so good at keeping order in the house, our weekends were entirely free to go out as a family, explore the world, go on road trips etc. If she hadn’t kept everything together, we’d have spent our weekends doing working around the house. My father was technically head of the family but my mother’s word was final. My father NEVER treated her as inferior in any way and she was no doormat. They were equal partners with different roles and I’d take that arrangement over what’s typical in families today. The PATRIARCHY built this world. Literally. So don’t knock it. I’d take it over a matriarchy any day.

[@aawillma]

My mom did the same thing and was left jobless and almost homeless when my dad divorced her for a lady he met at work. Child support was based on his primary salary not his infrequent consulting work so it was very low and didn't even cover the bills. My dad is a good person and went against his lawyer's advice to pay off our home so that his children's mother wouldn't be homeless. Despite that, I chose to became a stay at home mom myself. I am completely at the mercy of my breadwinner spouse choosing not to dump me on the street one day. Becoming completely financially dependent on someone who is free to leave at any time for any reason just isn't a risk worth taking anymore.

[@Mmmmkaaay]

​@@aawillmaExactly, men just don't seem to have a grip on how vulnerable women are to them when they start families with them.

[@Bar12425]

I know right. It's amazing how entrenched this notion of the patriarchy being oppressive is. Women in those days had much better lives than women today if people actually read books from those eras. Now, most women are stressed, burned out, unhappy, and often single and in a vicious struggle trying to get a long term relationship with an ever shrinking percentage of "eligible" men.

[@Mmmmkaaay]

@Bar12425 No women didn't have it better back then. They were beholden to their husbands and he could do whatever he wanted,like beat, cheat,etc. and she would have no recourse. My grandmother was given an allowance by her husband. Do you know how humiliating that is for a grown ass adult to be given an allowance? There's no way that men would put up with being treated the way that they've treated women for centuries.

[@thinkbig5438]

Romanticizing absolute dependence on a person who simply chose not to abuse his power isn‘t really convincing. Let the dad find more interest in his young secretary or deciding he prefers to spend mit if his money on a new hobby - the romance stops immediately.

[@aldebaranredstar]

What kind of society do we have to move towards to get people to want to have kids? That is the big question. Our society is not play oriented, it’s way too serious, Work oriented, depressing, lacking in fun. There’s no time for play, creativity, and having fun. You have to work in order to support a lifestyle. Unless you have a stay at home parent, kids demand a lot of time. People without a comfortable financial status are too stressed to take on kids on top of everything else.

[@danthony4348]

The very thing that has helped women advance (academic institutions) may also be a source of toxic teachings about men. Why not ask about the extent to which the academic community has contributed to the divide between men and women?

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

Sir. The news and just knowing your own experiences and whats happened to people you know family/coworker feeds the divide. Ive not been to college. I can however turn on the news every day all over the country and see cases of men abusing, murdering women and kids. Men going to jail for human trafficking, gang violence. I can see the statistic that over 100B dollars in upaid overdue child support is owed in the US so if anything goes south you better know as a woman he will probably never pay. I can see my coworker who had her own paid off home when she got married for the 1st time at age 41 after being completely independent and free and then he almost immediately started abusing her. Putting hands on her and financial abuse and I hate to see a sister fall like that. I know I cant even hire a contractor to do home repairs without having to worry Ill get my deposit stolen or taken advantage of in some way. I know out of all my coworkers and friends growing up almost none had a good dad in the home. I know any man under age 45 at this point has been addicted to corn since preteen years. I could go on.

[@MiMysmelfandI]

How is going $200,000 into debt for a “degree” in underwater basketweaving or psychology or “Women’s studies” considered advancement? It’s a gigantic scheme to enslave half the population by convincing them that they are slaves if they don’t put themselves into life-long financial bondage? It’s pure evil.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

The teachings aren't toxic. Just because it's not favorable to men doesn't make it toxic

[@Shortstacksandticktacks]

Everyone mentions money, but the poorest countries have always had the highest birthrates.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Not anymore. The developing world has lower birthrates

[@Psmitty97]

@@AustrianPainter14 lower than what it was, but still way more than 1st world nations

[@AustrianPainter14]

Psmitty97 I’m an expert on this stuff, you aren’t. Thailand has the lowest birthrate in the world. I’m in Latin America right now. Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Costa Rica and Cuba have lower birthrates than America. There no kids anywhere. Try and keep up.

[@PaulStevenson-f2e]

The cost of having children is much higher in developed countries, so the opportunity cost is higher

[@simonc6328]

​@@AustrianPainter14 as an expert, please present the data on the birth rates of South Korea vs Thailand, and state your source. This should not be a challenge for any expert. Sincerely, Your captive audience.

[@heatherofthe7]

It’s amazing how many people gave me shit for having five children, but like painting the walls in my kitchen, black and living happily in a positive coparenting relationship with my ex-husband-I am ahead of the curve. Fuck off haters.

[@AustrianPainter14]

What did they say?

[@sarahahmad9891]

The judgement is real. The most important work is more difficult than they know. Love black walls. Solidarity ❤

[@angelavanerp2]

I raised four and was made to feel selfish, told I was irresponsible, many awful comments over the years. We are middle class with regular ups and downs. But the only way through tough times is with family.

[@heatherofthe7]

@@AustrianPainter14lots of comments about how I’m wasting my education, they (the kids) will be a burden on the “system” (likely from someone who doesn’t realize that the “system” they’re so worried about is dependent on more income-earners to keep it operational). LOTS of negative feedback from strangers in public spaces about my apparent lack of either self-control, understanding of the mechanisms of reproduction, or hobbies. Some folks suggested that I might be having babies bc I need to feel needed or loved, or maybe I’m too competitive and was having kids for spiteful reasons. Countless “you should get a tv in your bedroom ha ha ha” comments, which I looked forward to because I had the sassy comeback of “We do! It’s great to watch porn on the big screen.” 😂😂😂

[@heatherofthe7]

@@sarahahmad9891Black walls are great. Now I’m painting my LR ceiling a deep purple, aubergine. The room feels so cozy and inviting now. The perfect spot to have good conversations. I Highly recommended painting ceilings something other than flat white if possible

[@marcelinoartstudio6083]

Society does not give an F about the slave class. Or men.

[@farinshore8900]

The biggest problem is how are "they" going to convince us that ressources are scarce as population declines?

[@AustrianPainter14]

It definitely works. Look at the comments from all these ‘based’ people. They still blame abstractions like ‘money’ instead of just admitting that vvomen don’t want kids or husbands.

[@swedishpagan2150]

@@AustrianPainter14 Vvomen wants kids, just not with "brokies".

[@BoothsGalore7]

Most households were much poorer and living standards were worse 100 years ago, yet we have people blaming todays economy even though we have government assistance and women have earning potential as well which was not the case 100 years ago. Its clear to me that the sexual liberation of women, the decline in religion and communities as well as hookup culture which makes women unable to pair bond has caused this problem.

[@patricksquires77]

Owned by few and called reserves/sanctuaries/ habitats.

[@julius43461]

@@BoothsGalore7 Bingo. Sometimes I am afraid that I will be alone in the comment sections explaining this incredibly simple thing that people just refuse to understand. The truth is that our modern society was never sustainable

[@Rapsukki]

We've devalued our offspring in order to have more freedom for adults. Abortion, BC, sexual hedonism. We've lost meaning, which makes any sacrifice or suffering intolerable.

[@PrussianBlu3]

Deep

[@mrchrisadams43]

Low birthrate doesnt result in "empty cities"...it results in your environmental niche being claimed by high birthrate migrants... This is not the first time that humans have had a hard time replacing the next generation.....but a Darwinian process selects for the people that can make it happen. Religion, culture, and Tradition are essentially a fertility ritual, and the people with the most successful fertility ritual own the future. Its already happening in Europe

[@electricpaper269]

Yes, that’s why the situation in South Korea, Japan, Poland etc. is less concerning since natural selection will sort everything out in a century. It’s nations like the UK, Germany, Sweden that will just become copies of third world countries.

[@diendiadre]

Unless it creates a huge war that kills all of us, like Carl Sagan used to warn us about. I bet that is kinda likely, but let's not think about that, right?

[@AustrianPainter14]

electricpaper269 This isn’t natural selection. It’s zeksual selection. The best minds are not having families because they aren’t being selected by vvomen.

[@Gazer-x5s]

As a gamer and a programmer, having kids is the worst decision that I won't ever decide in the future

[@PrussianBlu3]

Lul wot?

[@regimantasvegys5168]

as a gamer and a programmer having kids is an easy decision. Programming allows me to work from home, the pay is good, no stay at home wife or wasting money on daycares. And i can share all my favorite childhood games and play together.

[@tgheretford]

Something I've found is that those women who want long term relationships are in them and the single women today do not want relationships, regardless of circumstance or background - unless he his top tier in looks, status and money. They want lifestyle sponsors for attention, validation, experiences and money. This leaves a lot of men out of the dating market and is likely one of the causes of both the loneliness epidemic and declining birth rates (lets see if KZbin shadowbans or deletes this comment).

[@AustrianPainter14]

This isn’t a viable strategy. Russia and Ukraine don’t have the best soldiers because they don’t have that luxury, they conscript men

[@Alexxx492]

So 😅

[@DTreatz]

Yep, but ancient men already *KNEW* this: _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊 _"If each of us, citizens, had determined to assert his rights and dignity as a husband with respect to his own spouse, we should have less trouble with the sex as a whole; as it is, our liberty, destroyed at home by female violence, even here in the Forum is crushed and trodden underfoot, and because we have not kept them individually under control, we dread them collectively. But from no class is there not the greatest danger if you permit them meetings and gatherings and secret consultations."_ _"Our ancestors permitted no woman to conduct even personal business without a guardian to intervene in her behalf; they wished them to be under the control of fathers, brothers, husbands; we (Heaven help us!) allow them now even to interfere in public affairs, yes, and to visit the Forum and our informal and formal sessions. What else are they doing now on the streets and at the corners except urging the bill of the tribunes and voting for the repeal of the law?"_ _"Give loose rein to their uncontrollable nature and to this untamed creature and expect that they will themselves set no bounds to their license. Unless you act, this is the least of the things enjoined upon women by custom or law and to which they submit with a feeling of injustice. It is complete liberty or rather, if we wish to speak the truth, complete license that they desire."_ _"If they win in this, what will they not attempt? Review all the laws with which your forefathers restrained their license and made them subject to their husbands; even with all these bonds you can scarcely control them. What of this? If you suffer them to seize these bonds one by one and wrench themselves free and finally to be placed on a parity with their husbands, do you think you will be able to endure them? The moment they begin to be your equals, they will be your superiors."_ _"Now they publicly address other women’s husbands, and, what is more serious, they beg for a law and votes, and from various men they get what they ask. In matters affecting yourself, your property, your children, you, Sir, can be importuned; once the law has ceased to set a limit to your wife’s expenditures you will never set it yourself. Do not think, citizens, that the situation which existed before the law was passed will ever return."_ - *Cato the Elder* , over *2,000* years ago 💊

[@BrandonPitt]

To Mads Larsen: Blink twice if the feminists are holding you hostage.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

He navigates those waters every day from the way he talks

[@JezaLoki]

Basic economics, increase supply and the price decreases. The labour market supply has virtually doubled so the prices have relatively decreased. Now it takes two incomes to buy a house, pay the rent, have a family. Men and women likely see it as hard to have a family when both parents have to work.

[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

Well, there are a lot of couples who are deciding to not have kids too. The cost of having children is quite high now. Blame the economy instead of men or women specifically.

[@fedordatnov1320]

After listening this guy for almost 90 minutes: He somewhat clearly identified root causes of the problem, then immediately switch defending the problem and saying - we are not gonna abandon our ideology that causes the problem - 'We are rather extinct then abandon it', then said that he needs more money to research to find a solution! Got it, good luck! We don't actually want to solve the problem, we want to get money to think more about how can we solve the problem...

[@madtv43]

I'm just sick of being told to be better and do better. Now matter how successful I get, no matter how many hours I spend in the gym, no matter how much I spend on corrective dental and hair products...etc, I still get rejected or ghosted by women outweighing me by 50+lbs.

[@kellyrachel35]

That's so crazy! If this is really happening then I really don't understand what's going on in most women's heads. And where are you finding them?

[@AustrianPainter14]

It’s about your face, height and race. Can’t really change that. But it’s all vvomen care about.

[@emmaphilo4049]

If you have all these qualities, keep searching and take it easy, you'll find someone. Being ghosted and rejected happens to everyone. Except maybe the one unicorn instagram model

[@daalmightpanda]

As a man in my early 30s, women are not my number 1 priority. Focusing on my self is. Working out, eating healthy, making money and doing what I enjoy gives me the ultimate peace.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Cope. You guys need to be honest with yourself. You just aren’t a commodity to them.

[@bbainter7880]

What's the point of all that if you aren't passing on your genetics? Serious question

[@daalmightpanda]

@@AustrianPainter14 cope? I’m a pretty decent looking guy. I can have a woman if I wanted to. But women cost money and stress. I enjoy being able to live freely. I don’t have to answer to anyone.

[@leedlbagginshield8492]

@@daalmightpanda as a woman, I get your view. Relationships are super high maintenance and cost a lot of energy. I’m also focusing more on myself and on my family. Being an introvert could explain this as well

[@katkatkat88888]

I think there are plenty of guys like you and I understand why. It's scary out there, and social media made it worse. It goes both ways too. Men think women are dispensable or just not worth it, and women think the same about men. Different times from when I was that age. So many horror stories in relationships now.

[@eideardpeschak7546]

The solution is quite simple: we don't do nothing about the decreasing birth rates across the Globe -> there will be less people around -> the global economy will suffer -> times will become harder -> men and women will come together because of the hard times, increasing the birth rates again (or rather stabilize humanity's downfall).

[@h8h215]

Yeah there is not alot to worry about for now, the hard times will create the necessary changes for men and women to come together, whether it will be a peaceful transition or not im not so sure.

[@electricpaper269]

As long as native populations are not replaced with migration, this problem fixes itself. Natural selection increases the frequency of traits (cultural and genetic) that makes both men and women want and make children in the current environment. It also makes it easier as goods such as housing become more abundant and thus cheaper as the population decreases.

[@elmateo77]

I'll come out and say what he hints at but doesn't quite say. Throughout human history, women never actually wanted or liked most men (yes I know there were always gigachads), they just needed the resources men provided. When countries give women the right to decide whether or not to have children, they generally choose not to. There's nothing wrong with that, it's their choice and we can't make them like us. Men and society just have to accept that reality. Creating new ways for women to meet average men isn't going to make them attracted to those men.

[@tarquin161234]

It works the other way too. Men often don't want women older than mid 20s.

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

That's such a grim assessment but I'm not sure it's wrong. I think modern culture has really exacerbated this, and Christian culture mitigated this. Also, I don't want a young trophy wife, I want an intelligent companion who treats me like a human being and has family aspirations. Materialism and nihilism are the fault here. And it suggests you have to culturally cultivate love and family.

[@AustrianPainter14]

There’s nothing wrong with that? They violated the social contract. That ahould not be allowed to vote men into war.

[@AustrianPainter14]

tarquin161234 Absolutely untrue. We get stuck with them if we’re lucky,

[@s.e.studios1386]

women are natures eugenicists, we're just doing our job. Every few centuries womanity does a genetic cull like this.

[@rathelmmc3194]

I was listening to this on my morning run and had to come back to comment. I was talking to my wife and told her how the Norwegian government expects birth rates to pick up by 40 year old women and she said exactly what I was thinking. "No it's not!" 40 year old women aren't going to give up their freedom to start having kids. People get set in their ways. What's funny to me is that if society collapses it's going to go back to the way it was in the early agricultural era. I don't see how female autonomy will exist in a post modern society world. Modern jobs exists due to our large populations. Personally I'd start changing the laws today. I'd remove all tax based elder care programs for individuals who do not have at least 2 children. The reason being it's the children who pay those taxes. I'd funnel as much of the federal budgets as I could into incentivizing low cost starter homes, free child health care, and pre-k. I'd probably end schooling at the 9th grade again, and make high school a bigger blend of trade programs and loose academic learning. You could still have academic focused high schools, but it would be for college bound kids to get useful degrees. Lastly I'd try to encourage the rebuilding of 3rd places with an emphasis on 18 to 25 year olds to couple.

[@modparlor947]

PSA: Incel, definition Incel (involuntary celebate) is a gender neutral term. Coined by an incel woman(!). The largest group of Incels are handicapped and/or disfigured people, followed by people with non-hetero-normal sexual orientation, then followed by heterosexual men, the vast overwhelming majority of which aren't misogynists but timid, shy, intimidated by women and/or the mating game and - often as a result - depressed. To emphasize: Noisemakers on the internet aren't representative of Incels, despite what the misinformed public or some dimwitts on reddit think about the term. Please stop perpetuating this ill-informed misrepresentation of Incels at large. Thank you.

[@skotmorgan8078]

Chris, you’re absolutely one of the best host on Podcasts, if not the best. You listen and ask great and relevant questions that keep to the topic direction. Then things like “dig deeper” are just fantastic. Great job! Keep it up!

[@morganseppy5180]

There's no fertlity crisis. There's a hopeless economic crisis as seen in all the other indicators also getting worse like depression, salary, and housing & rent prices. Even married ppl are not having children bc it's very expensive today and there's no hope for the future, plus both ppl have to work and childcare costs as much as rent. Maybe the Scandinavian doesn't understand this, which is he is hyper-focused on "mating practices".

[@thaliakate888]

Another great podcast and an important topic. Family is the fabric of society. I think it’s really sad for genetic lines to end unnecessarily. One factor that wasn’t mentioned was arrested development/prolonged adolescence. People doing recreational drugs and fooling around like 20 year olds until they’re 40+. I’m 39 and an “insing” and “incel” for a variety of reasons too long to list. Some men think it would be amazing to get propositioned all the time. I explain it to them like this… “Have you ever met a woman you’re not attracted to? Or a woman who makes you cringe?” They’ll always say “yes,” and then I say, “Now imagine women like that are coming up to you every day.” Then they get it. It’s not at all fun to be approached by men you’re not interested in. What’s worse is men you are interested in who only want to use you for your body in exchange for nothing or “free” drinks and food. If I’m not easy, plenty of other women will be, so if he’s not looking to start a family or he’s not financially prepared to, he’ll likely go where it’s easy. For this reason, a lot of modern dating is basically free or cheap prostitution on the women’s part. Feminists sell it as liberation, but it’s self-destruction. I’d much prefer to be an “incel-insing,” than a disposable woman. 40-50% of pregnancies in the west are unplanned, so playing the minefield will result in children for some women, but likely not result in a healthy two parent family. As an intentional person who wants the best for my unborn, playing father and family roulette is frightening. Friends say, “You know you could have a baby on your own.” Even my therapist asked if I would as if that’s normal! It’s not and shouldn’t be. Recently, a father of 4 argued with me that fathers are not important until he realised how stupid his argument was and stopped. The world’s brainwashed. The best healthiest thing for children is a stable two parent home protected by the legal bind of marriage. As an ex-teacher of 8 years, I observed that the children from two parent homes with one invested stay-at-home parent achieved the best results at school. I want the best for my unborn. Solutions? Solutions could involve better tax breaks for first home buyers. A man with a house is a more attractive proposition. A woman in a secured home feels safer to start a family. I know many men complain about female hypergamy but would you want your daughter to partner with a financially insecure man? That’s unsafe, even a dunce could do that math. Government funded free-to-use dating apps e.g. apps that are not driven by profit to keep people on for eternity, but rather want people to match. Ending remote work. 33% of people meet at work, but not in a remote world. I forfeited remote work in part for this reason. Environmental awareness. It’s wise of women to avoid female dominated sectors, or if you choose teaching, nursing etc., then be conscious to make an effort to meet men after hours before it’s too late. 8 years teaching, nothing but married men, flowery men and PE teachers. Event connection. I went to Chris’s event in Melbourne recently. That room of 2,000 could’ve potentially had some decent single men in it. It would help if eligible interested people could tick a box post-event, then their profile could be visible to all the other eligible people. Starting out via a shared interest makes it more likely that values will align for greater compatibility. Lastly, teach people how to flirt and be flirted with, and how to select a safe available partner as early as possible e.g. the last year of high school. Critical life skills likely very lost on a device-first post-Covid cohort.

[@ajobimlover]

I think much of the dating crisis comes down to this: The sexes objectify each other as commodities. Dating sites, porn, & the birth control pill all contribute. And a moral & even spiritual renewal is actually needed to change the "use and abuse" dynamic, and develop the virtues needed to attract a long-term mate.

[@aldebaranredstar]

I agree. Developing the virtues is so important. Modern society as a whole doesn’t value virtue or even understand what it is.

[@charcW8850]

We have six kids, my husband and I both wanted to have a big family. The hardest part is honestly the judgment from other people. Our kids are all healthy and normal with no behavioral issues but bringing them all out of the house together gets literal glares and rude comments from people (some are kind) almost like disgust from the majority of people. It’s a different world than when I was a kid.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Your husband is a lucky man.

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

6 is awesome! That's so weird they throw you shade. I guess they are part jealous, and other part in a death cult that demands they sacrifice their bloodlines to Baal. Ugh.

[@zacharymiller8642]

The moment a scientist starts talking about net zero, their credibility decreases by 10x.

[@Richard_Albrecht]

Their credibility goes to net zero

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

@@Richard_Albrecht 😂

[@VisionaryStorytelling]

He believes in climate magic✨

[@deucefax7352]

Everyone knows the reason. All this pseudo-intellectual talk just avoids the problem. We need to start being honest

[@thinkbig5438]

Well, spill it!

[@aldebaranredstar]

@@thinkbig5438😂

[@Just_some_guy_1]

@@thinkbig5438 It will get auto deleted by bots.

[@mrnobody4125]

The single greatest evolved solution, the family structure, was discarded over the last fifty years. Nothing the government can do can replicate the power and efficiency of it. It's so efficient and effective it became part of our embodied speices. We ditched it for a whole new idea of what humanity is (an isolated individual living and working for and being defined by themselves) and what families are (whatever you want them to be). The past wasn't the dark ages, it was a time when the world was dark but humanity was powerful and overcame insane challenges. We overcame them and then gave up on the very means by which we overcame them, freeing ourselves into a new age where the world is bright but we are not. People can rage and complain. It doesn't matter. Call it backward if you want. Those who still love according to it and used to those accusations. Pretty soon only the Amish will be left. It doesn't matter in the long run. History goes on, life goes on. The world is always changing and the story of humanity is always changing. Those with the capacity to survive will survive. The rest will fade away. It's happened many times. And the people who complain that maybe their options ended up being more restricted and traditional than they would have preferred won't be a concern because they won't exist any more. Whale who don't like swimming aren't a problem, because pretty soon they just won't exist any more. Peacocks who won't shake their tails aren't a problem because within a couple generations they won't exist. Bucks who don't like to fight won't be reproduced. Birds who won't build a nest won't have any fledglings. Animals that refuse bend the knee to the demands of reality and live within it and adapt to it won't continue to exist in it. Modern society is just undergoing a remarkably slow, peaceful, and luxurious experience of natural selection. Men weren't free in the past, and neither were women. Today weren't radically free, apparently, so free we even think men are free to be women and women are free to be men, both literally and metaphorically. Maybe it's just not the case that that is so. Maybe we can't be that free. Maybe men and women are trapped and all humanity is trapped, but we're also empowered to survive and succeed by our very natures that confine us. Equality is such a weird term. Where do women get the right to be men? Where do men get the right to be women? And if they get it, do they also have a right to all the downsides and disadvantages, or do they only have a right to the strengths and opportunities? Do you have a right to all the instinctive motivations, responses, mental and emotional and social adaptations, a right to feel the same and have the same desires and instincts and have things mean the same? How do you grant that to someone? Does a fish have a right to be a bird? Can you grant it to them? Does being a man mean so little that you can grant it so easily? Does being a woman? I think the answer for modern society to both of those last two is very much yes. Also, for the record, you can't demand that men and women be "equal", meaning exactly the same, while also simultaneously demanding that men "be better" as class (more successful, higher status, more money, bring more to the table). That's incoherent. That's a dog chasing its tail. So much of this is useless discussion because it casts the past and men and women, the essence of the sexes and their partnership, in such negative terms. This is what's wrong with modern society. Rather than understanding the power and value and beauty of something that defined life for all of human history and made civilization possible and created everything good in it (whole still being subject to all the problems and abuses that come with anything humans do), they dismiss it as patriarchy and abuse and inequality and darkness and nothing but evil and bad. That's insane! That's a narrative that is designed to deprive you of the most essential powers and joys of human existence, down to your very identity. And where is it headed? To greater happiness, meaning, and fulfillment across the breadth of human life, to the eradication of anxiety and violence and all mental distress, to stability and growth and security? Is that what our future looks like? With growing swathes of unmarried and unattached men, lonely aging women, retirees with no grandchildren, a shrinking youth population working and carrying the burden of vastly larger elderly population (most of whom have no work left to do not family to care about them)? Is this what success looks like? Is this freedom and happiness and fulfillment and enlightenment? Because it looks to me like extinction.

[@Joemammatype3]

Hopefully we’ll move back to a truth based society instead of an idiot based one.

[@thedakotalogs]

So are new cars

[@SaddleRockManitou]

Get rid of political parties! Only accept ideas and solutions. No more extremes that make everyone pull their hair out.

[@thedakotalogs]

@@SaddleRockManitou why in America only one Political Party is advocating for things that will destroy society if left unchecked. The other side might be forcing their beliefs but there policies are all beneficial to children and society. Our problem isn't the parties anymore it's the people being f*cking dumb. We read at a 4th grade level and average education is 8th

[@AustrianPainter14]

Make the patriarchy great again

[@sarahahmad9891]

​@AustrianPainter14 This is the culmination of "Patriarchy". We will find a better way to exist.

[@draighodge6039]

We must talk about (and mock) involuntarily single men, a.k.a. "Incels" but it is social crime to discuss involuntarily single womyn?! Where's the honesty of science? What became of equality?

[@keredeht]

equality is a myth... practically, there aren't incel females.

[@nytracus9680]

We all need to stand up to toxic feminists and activists. Otherwise, nothing will change.

[@johnbrown1867]

Well nowadays science says men can get pregnant. Hell Neil degrasse Tyson couldn't even agree with bill maher the other day that a men's NBA team only beats wbna because of societal standards, not because men are bigger, faster, stronger.This gynocentric societal view of be nice instead of say the truth is causing society to crumble.

[@TommyStrategic]

Did a little research and here’s a question: Are women who say “men aren’t good enough” premaritally celibate? If not, I think this is less an issue with the way men are than with the social signals women are taught to desire in the person they partner with publicly.

[@warrenfoster11]

I may have missed it but what wasn't discussed here is the injustice of Family Courts. Choosing to be a Dad is currently coupled with unacceptable risk.

[@CH-nr5vy]

Dad of many kids here. The risk is acceptable. Find a good girl and you can do this.

[@warrenfoster11]

@@CH-nr5vy check the stats on failed marriages. Pride comes before the fall. Good luck.

[@cfuse]

@@CH-nr5vy Find that unicorn. Ignore the outcome statistics and your lying eyes. When she stops being a unicorn then it's clearly your fault for not picking better in the first place. Man up, because everything is on you, even her voluntary choices. Here's something people love to ignore: you don't need to hand a woman the means to destroy your life just to reproduce. That is a service that can be bought. Understand risk and act accordingly. No, it won't be cheap, but it will be a hell of a lot cheaper than the alternative.

[@gamelover2222]

@@CH-nr5vy Congrats Sir, but you are in a minority situation right now. Less men are fishing, but even the ones that do and rarely a few get a bite.

[@baddoomguy1986]

@@CH-nr5vy Fix the damn problem. At some point, they need to sweeten the deal!

[@strongriver7955]

Refocus on creating and maintaining our sense of community and connection to one another would go a long way to reversing our fertility decline. Serving one another, looking after eachother. Having our "tribes". Such an environment of support and love naturally encourages the desire for children to add to the community.

[@warsha007]

Male gaze on this problem. So you can't stigmatise men for lacking mating skills, but you can stigmatise women for having higher standerds and lower then for "birthrate and humankind". He mentioned the "absent father syndrome" very minimal, while it plays a very big role in mate choice for women. 1 in 3 children now grow up with absent fathers and overworked single mothers. Why is prof only making a problem if women's "high" mate standards and not men's total lack of commitment for their children en family? Men nowadays think they can have a family, contribute minimal, cheat and then just leave. Helping people date will not help, if those men still decide to abandon their children!

[@karmic-brands]

how are "involuntarily single women" misogynistic? LOL It's Sour grapes, because they've long thrown around "Incel" as an insult to men who can't find a woman, and that has now bounced back on them (and the closeness of the comparison makes them uncomfortable).

[@tgheretford]

The ironic thing is, thanks to Briffault's Law, they can not be involuntary by logic. As they decide the conditions of mating and dating.

[@JoweI-d4v]

I watched a documentary on actual incels who identify as that I didn't know it was an actual thing. But it was those guys who had the weirdest most toxic view towards women blaming them for everything. I don't think someone who is just lonely deserves to be called an incel. But real incels are dangerously weird is what I took from that documentary

[@amnestylost]

​@JoweI-d4v Being an "incel" is not about what anyone "deserves".

[@madtv43]

It's also different because they aren't "involuntary". These women have nearly limitless options for willing mates, they just view themselves as too good for them. The dating crisis is entirely driven by bad economics holding men back, and women having unreasonable standards for mates, and this has been objectively proven on many occasions. Women view the average man as being obscenely unattractive while men view the average woman as average.

[@Alexander-ef9fm]

​@@JoweI-d4vMaybe, those "toxic" incels became so toxic only due to a long history of being rejected by women, no matter how they behaved - rejected because of something they haven't chosen to be and can't change about themselves, such as their physical looks. This can be a very dehumanising experience for these man, because after some time they start reading these repeated rejections as the following message: "you're not a human being, you're not even eligible for mating within human species". Their bitterness is then made even worse by the awareness that the traits because of which they are rejected by women have got noting to do with their real quality as potential mates, because the whole business of dating and mating is (from nature's point of view) about becoming fathers and mothers, and there's no reason whatsoever why a short balding guy should be less qualified to be a good father than a "tall, dark and handsome" guy.

[@Viva-El-Kaputtalismus]

Having a child today: Insanely expensive Very time consuming Extremely exhausting Stressful And this all is just if your Kid is healthy and psychologically „normal. If not, well… nightmare. Those times are not for having kids. The society we created is not for that. Big fail!

[@Ghaz013]

When everything is absurdly expensive it makes me not even want to try and possibly just leave the country at some point. Enough is enough.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Stop blaming everything on money. Switzerland is wealthy yet has below replacement level fertility. Thailand is very poor and even lower.

[@Mariachi1206]

I agree with the other comment. Money is an issue but t not THAT big. I say government could be handing out houses to everyone and it would not make a real difference when it comes to birthrates. The issue goes much deeper.

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

America is a gulag slave state. I did leave over 10 years ago and life is better overseas for sure. Better women too.

[@emilyk.5664]

I just don't understand how billions of people throughout human history have done it with much less and almost no resources...why it can't be done today?

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

@@emilyk.5664 The capitalist system, the modern economy, is a machine engineered to take human babies and extract maximum resources from them. American property taxes are insanely high and FORCE productivity, not to mention most people have a mortgage....a big one.

[@tailgunner2]

Two things: A. Women are not interested in men. B. Even less interested in having children. I know not why all the dancing around the subject. It's blatantly obvious to me.

[@flemutter7211]

👏🏾 yep and know we wait

[@tailgunner2]

@flemutter7211 I would not go even that far. What we are experiencing is not a case of women hating men. Simply put, they Do Not Care. Three little words, that's it, mystery solved.

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

If a man doesn’t trust/love me enough to marry me I’m not giving him children. Very simple equation for me personally. I spent many years caring for men to no avail, now I mainly feel indifferent towards them and find I am much happier being single. I never craved motherhood at all so born in another time I might well have been a nun.

[@atticcus7935]

​@@LadyMarigoldWithersmarriage laws suck so fix that and more men will want to get married.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

For good reason

[@girlwithapearlofwisdom]

Half way through, but I'm grateful someone is willing to mention the concept of involuntarily single women! I wanted a big family. I'm 31 now, life's different, I'd be happy with one child. I appreciate the discussion so far, and the reinforcement that individuals should be able to make their own choices, and that women not HAVING to rely on partnership to survive is a good development for society.

[@Mary-Mar]

Two things come to mind for me: I think in the past, in many traditional societies, the expectation was, that the man would be physically attracted to his wife, and not the other way around. The idea was that women would do their "wife duties", and hope she married a kind man who loved her and treated her with respect, and maybe, eventually she would grow to find him attractive over time. I feel we don't talk about this directly enough, but rather dance around it saying, "women had little choice in the past as they had to be dependant on a man for social and sometimes physical safety." Also, the expectation was that they would reproduce legitimate children to keep the family lineage going, but men of means could, and probably would produce illegitimate children as well. So, the "good ole days" of procreation were not as "rosey" as we romanticize. And secondly, it is true that the smaller the pool of people to choose from, less picky a person is about beauty standards for mate selection. So, the advent of the internet and seeing the most beautiful people as an "option" has definitely adjusted everyone's ability to see common features as beautiful.

[@defeqel6537]

IIRC a study made a point that historically about 80% women have left offspring and only about 40% of men

[@rodan2852]

It is gonna get worse. Im 34 and most of my friends, myself included, definately won't be having children. The rest have an average of 2 kids (both have with multiple women which means visitation and custody battles) which they can barely afford. My family name and my mothers family name will probably completely gone within my life time. I dont have many male cousins, seeing as how we lost one to drug OD/ suicide. My grandpa came from a family of 7, my father came from a family of 6, myself from a family of 4 and then "Kerplunk!" 0 for me so yah. Not lookin good. I cant afford kids or the 2-3 divorces required to get a keeper these days.

[@Bar12425]

Isn't it worth risking a divorce or out of wedlock birth to keep your family line going? I come from a completely different setting than you, so I'm trying to understand the rationale behind this resignation.

[@julius43461]

Go the passport bro route.

[@tarquin161234]

@@julius43461 How? My job is in Europe. I can't just fly over to the east for a few months in the hope of picking someone up.

[@julius43461]

@@tarquin161234 Start working remotely, or just chat with someone till you can take a 2-3 week vacation. I know, not ideal, but I'm just throwing some suggestions out there.

[@stevesmith3990]

Just think of all those many thousands or hundreds of thousands of ancestors we have that had children that led to us and so many of those lines end right now or with the next generation.

[@RadicalPersonalFinance]

These assertions of “evolutionary adaptations” are doing a whole lot of heavy lifting here. Can someone please explain how we know that the human species evolved its pair bonding psychology precisely 4,000,000 years ago?

[@robertmcmahon1807]

Hard to walk the simping highwire, and speak the necessary truths at the same time. Good initiative though.

[@jeffsmith2283]

This guy's belief that the accusations of far-right, handmaidens and reproductive rights bashing of his point will go away just proves you can't be clever in all areas.