Modifying my FL5 Honda Civic Type R - 1.5 Year Ownership Update

[@walpoleandworcester]

Beautiful car and scenery too. I love seeing the mods you’ve made to the Type R!

[@faithgarcia8660]

BeaUtiFulCarandSCenery TheModsyou'veMadetoTheTypeR! Scenerytoo.LoveSeeing

[@williamrori1274]

Sounds like we need an Elantra N vs. Type R track review :)

[@TheTopher]

Oh man, it’s coming soon! I always put off the long edits 😅

[@shamalabadingdong]

I'd also love to see zygrene review your car. Has only ever tried a stock EN, yours with cambers tires mods and a tune would blow his mind.

[@williamrori1274]

@@shamalabadingdong Yeah for sure. That's gonna be a tough one logistically though. I'm in Michigan and he's in Cali lol. Unless there's a SCCA or Gridlife event that he comes out this way for.

[@shamalabadingdong]

@@williamrori1274 for some reason I always thought you were in Cali. It wouldn't hurt to reach out, I'm sure he'd keep it in the back of his mind until he's in the area. Truth be told, I really just want to see how a modified EN measures up in his performance car rankings. I think a lot of reviewers have a strong anti-kdm bias off the rip. Especially because so much about cars are subjective. I bet your car would blow his mind though.

[@adenaldrete170]

The type r should win with the proper driver but the Hyundai is a goated car, they have stepped up their game a lot it’s awesome to see

[@gettcouped]

amazing how much difference mods can make. It really makes you appreciate how many parts have such an impact in a vehicle. The balance and engineering involved is so complex that it’s amazing what companies can do when they produce these cars.

[@lfOnly]

I started working at a Honda dealer recently and got to drive an FK8. My buddy has a Veloster N that I've driven multiple times but man the extra bit of pull from the engine in this and the steering is excellent. I'm really impressed and glad we don't have any FL5s to tempt me out of my NC Club Miata haha.

[@CTF33]

I've driven both and the Veloster N is still more fun. Probably the most fun to drive hot hatch ever made.

[@boots_n_coots]

Thanks so much for posting these updates Mr. T! Here in SoCal it’s 99% dry bones of course, so I’m thinking Conti Extreme Contact sport might be the ticket for my FL5 daily. And some forged wheels. And that motor mount. And the suspension module. Ah the hell with it. Just send me the whole list 😂

[@TheTopher]

That’s sounds perfect!

[@fl5_driver]

Honda really did a great job with the OEM forged option. I went 255/35 on my stock wheels as well for cooler & winter weather. I'm thinking about going down to 18" for aftermarket wheels but the forged look soo good. Also thanks for the feedback on the RMM. I have one sitting on my workbench just haven't gotten to it yet.

[@rickyceijas]

No issues with the thicker tire looking for winter tires 🛞

[@AngryColt]

I drive a 22 Elantra N DCT on stock 19’s your review on the Falken fk460 AS made me purchase them once my michellin ps4s wore out and I am super pleased with the switch! Plenty of grip to zip around town, and extremely quiet. The only notable differences from ps4s are that the Falken’s aren’t as sticky and maybe due to the increased weight in tire bumps are bit more noticeable but not more unpleasant! I don’t track my car but once I start I’ll get a dedicated set for that.

[@RyanLove06]

PRL's products are excellent. I just installed their intercooler on my 11th gen Si and the fit and finish was amazing.

[@samuelreyes7343]

I’ve been waiting for this video! Thank you for sharing the mods you’ve done to the car with us

[@albertorbinati5511]

Great ride, man. I am squarely in the "more tire sidewall" > "low profile tires" crowd. I recently purchased a Q5 and swapped out the 20's for the base 18's. Way more comfortable and I feel more confident driving on rougher roads. I know with a car like this you'll lose some performance on the track. I give you credit for daily driving on those tires!

[@pablodeltoro1676]

Love your vídeos of the type R. Thanks for bringing it back to the channel!!

[@axledog7297]

Glad to hear you committed to the PRL RMM! I knew you'd like it. Next up - Acuity shift linkage bushings? Trust me. 😉

[@washout04]

Can’t wait for my ITS ADS module to arrive. Seems like it’s a real game changer.

[@cjsnylons]

Do you mind sharing where you ordered yours from?

[@FrytoTheFry]

I am a guy that likes honda, your vids help me a lot

[@rickyceijas]

Picking mine up tomorrow in white as well super excited

[@chrissimmons9969]

I bought the same OEM forged wheels and I really like them.😊

[@faithgarcia8660]

BOughtThesameOEM ReallylikeThem.😊 ForgedWheelsandI

[@M-t3ch]

I don't know how shift feel could get nicer from what it already was, these are great out of the box haha. That is exciting!

[@KnifeFanatic]

This makes me want a Type R lol. I got a FiST, but it's had so many problems I don't even want to bother with upgrades.

[@mappyfrappy]

You certainly sell it well with your nicely done videos. Makes me want to go do some needless driving in mine just because it's so fun to do. And I do exactly that all the time. Funny that the rear MM made such a difference. Never even considered it until I saw this. I did all three MMs on my new MS3 way back in 2007. That thing wrote a new chapter on wheel hop and torque steer. People would still buy that car new today if they sold them for 25k like then. Sure, it destroyed tires like nobody's business, but super bang for the buck and zero flash since no one could tell it from a basement Mazda 3. I have fond memories. But the FL5 really is about the best do-it-all reliable car for enthusiasts. I say that because the Golf R is good all-around now that they fixed the touch controls thing, but you still have the VW hit or miss reliability thing to deal with. I've seen enough VW-owning friends pay that piper. No thanks. Same reason not to get a used RS3. Can't get 8 foot boards in a RS3 either. And you can in a FL5 and still close the hatch. Good luck shifting though. And I don't think you personally had one, but the FL5 is much nicer to drive than the FK8 in nearly every way. Fit, finish, driving experience. Better stability at speed too. I was on the fence after seeing the speed comparison videos, but I'm glad traded the 2021 FK8 for the 2024 FL5. The rev hang is slightly annoying though. That's about the only gripe I have besides that it feels like a significantly bigger car which I'm used to now. It fits in the same garage though...less than an inch in every direction vs the FK8. And my FK8 18" Titan 7 all-season-coated wheels fit it since having to get new tires on a new car is an unpleasant hit if you live in the north. I agree for the most part that you don't need a tune, but I'm considering the two-step performance Hondata tune with a new ECU so I can keep the stock ECU stock for warranty purposes...and it gets rid of the rev hang, so they say. And for anyone that says you can't use extra power around town, sure, that's true, you'll just spin, but on the highway or track, oh yeah. And lastly, the only reason anyone buys an Elantra N instead is because it's close enough for a lot less money. And it is, but rationalizing it for any other reason than price is a load of manure because you'd rather have a FL5. I get it. I wouldn't be watching this if I could afford a new 911 Turbo S. But I'm grateful that I can at least drive this beauty. It's fun every time you get in it.

[@BopperNoStopper]

ProTune! respect that engine after modifying air fuel ratio with the drop in PRL, its less reliable on stock tunes, which already typically run lean

[@spathotan]

Great video and great car as always. Hope you see this so you can let us know when you're getting your hands on the new Sonata N Line lol

[@mskiller]

That PRL motor mount is a game changer :)

[@faithgarcia8660]

ThatPRLMotormuntisaGameChanger:)

[@tanieshawhite2039]

@@faithgarcia8660 really

[@M9A1MAN]

As a 2023 Honda Civic Si owner, I love this video.. Beautiful car bro

[@scottt.4596]

Great content! Cheers 🍻

[@Hind135]

Thanks for sharing your feedback

[@Paco_Gaepedores]

Absolutely love the cute FL5 :3 woohoo 💪❤

[@Shahzain1066]

Keep the good work up, I love your videos

[@TheSlvrGR86]

I drive a 2023 GR86 MT, and seeing your videos on this is making me think about my purchasing decisions. I love both and want both of them, but the college kid in me can't fathom having 2 nice cars.

[@64Spokes]

Be grateful for having any car as a college kid let alone a 35k gr86

[@SlimRestorations]

We need more of your FL5

[@R19Robbin]

Such a good looking car 🔥🔥

[@brianhill1523]

If you don't want to go the whole hog..Whiteline has an insert to put in the rear of the gear box mount.I tried it on my FK8 mainly to stop second gear change problem..Had a little vibration at idle sometimes

[@BennyRivera]

Great car paired with a great watch. Kudos 👌

[@ScarletGuts]

Topher man, id highly recommend a winter beater. Coming from someone who grew up and just recently moved out of south eastern Michigan, this car will sadly be a rust bucket in under 5 winters tops. The salt brine they've been putting down the roads lately have destroyed just about every car that touches it. Destroys rotors, suspension parts, all of the drivetrain and will eventually eat the body panels away once water and salt finds their way into the cracks and crevices over time. Definitely might be time to make this your second car if you wanna save it.

[@TheTopher]

Got it covered! Annual Krown rust control applications keep everything rust free.

[@lukewright8193]

I have a GR Corolla and it’s crazy how much wheel spin this has compared to the GR. I take the all-wheel drive for granted

[@st4xor]

+1 prl mount is great for all 2016+ civics!

[@kjwong4730]

The best change you made the was the suspension module

[@preethamveerepalli9509]

where can you find the suspension module

[@TheUnreadableUser]

I love the type R. I just highly hate the markups, even after a year and a half after launch. An Elantra N is cheaper and you get more value. Thanks for the update, chris. Always look forward to these.

[@jxxxxx44]

@@TheUnreadableUser value this value that just shut up already. Is that all that korea has to offer? Value for money?!

[@TheUnreadableUser]

@@jxxxxx44 there is many things that you have missed. First of all, the ioniq 5n that came out recently is an insane performer. Second, you have entirely missed the Genesis as a brand. The fact that they exist is just a show of how good the Koreans can make stuff. I would way rather get a car that performs really well for under $40,000, then a car that does basically the same for $65,000

[@jxxxxx44]

@@TheUnreadableUser whatever. With the yen crashing down I'm certain an era of "Japanese value for money" is coming. Be prepared😉. Oh and don't forget to thank Germany for all those engineers and designers you poached.

[@TheUnreadableUser]

@@jxxxxx44 be prepared? I've been prepared since 2018 and the only thing we've gotten for value is the base trim Prius.

[@MyFranzen]

I just got mine at msrp 😂

[@jaxongirkayumov7180]

12:52 is that dominic with his dudes😂

[@ytj22]

MONICA!!!

[@n-power-automotive]

I run Continental DWS 06+ tires on my Elantra N. IMO they’re the best all around performance all seasons out there.

[@ooooooooooo144]

I run michelin ps4 as on my 2021 type r with the stock 20s, they have great grip in dry and wet traction, but are stiff and can feel every pothole, definitely gonna try the dws06 plus when the michelins wear out and see how they compare

[@KayP33]

At a glance, on my life, I thought this was a mini van

[@alexram5679]

Sure

[@scrutch666]

Shopping list generated, but will go with a awe exhaust instead of this valve and resonator shenanigans. Plus minus the damper swap, i really have no issues with the comfort damper setting and on great roads i enjoy the stiff setting. Our track is new and smooth. You probably wouldn’t like my s2k suspension either :) i find it crazy that i get on my commute like 35 or even 36 mpg . Its a relatively flat road and hanging behind someone who drives speedlimit P)

[@goatsplitter]

Just put in a deposit on a type arr. good to know on the A/S tyres because I totally will be daily'ing it as well. Also in michigan where agreed winters have been pretty lame; and if its too silly, i just wont go anywhere on that 1 of 2 days.

[@ak2112]

Surprised to hear the Bridgestones are quiet. Tire Rack says they're one of the louder, albeit best feeling of the UHP All Seasons.

[@ricepony33]

I hope that Honda/Acura do a SH AWD version at some point with RWD bias.

[@tanieshawhite2039]

Seriously

[@AK.16]

Beautiful car

[@piskooooo]

I've loved Type R's since the EK hatch but it's hard for me to justify buying one over an N car, which is why I got one of those instead. I'd still love to drive an FK8 or FL5 on track one day though.

[@kaiglembocki]

I thought of the last year was not as good as civic

[@kaiglembocki]

Veloster*

[@piskooooo]

@@kaiglembocki CTR is more refined but N cars are more degenerate. I don't regret my purchase at all

[@MKu64]

Is it normal in the US to have 60 mph areas going passed houses?? That seems crazy haha. Those houses must have so much road noise and a scary reverse exit from their driveway.

[@philochristos]

That looks like a fun car to drive.

[@BopperNoStopper]

I like using my firehawks for dailys and then Sport 4S for the track

[@douglaskrueger357]

Love your content and honesty. Any reason you chose not to lower the car and even go with 18s?

[@hasonlavajunk9774]

Ended up with a GR Corolla. I really wanted the Type R but couldn’t stand my friends wheel hop on hard acceleration. Cicic sure looks better inside and out though.

[@frustrasiian]

The lack of rattles surprises me, compared to mine that is.

[@douglaskrueger357]

Do you mean the motor mount? How bad it the rattle.

[@LateNightDateNight]

You know he has them, the mic just isn’t picking them up. Mine are so hot and cold

[@a124as]

Dude. Omg. Look up hattrk. He shows you how to get rid of it

[@natelax45]

Can you go over why you chose this over the Type S? Love your updates on this car

[@helloworld8250]

Do you miss your BRZ though? I'm torn about selling mine to get thr CTR, but scare I may regret it.

[@stealth.gr4]

I would love to do a side by side comparison between the FL5 and my GRC (I'm local, living on 8mile and five points). I swear I've seen you driving around unless its another champ white fl5

[@YTWine29]

I think you should get tint to protect your interior

[@davelospinoso9022]

Does that actually work?

[@willstuart6666]

Ceramic tint keeps things pretty cool

[@jmll1412]

@@davelospinoso9022 aside from heat, if it also blocks UV it's even better

[@rafaelramos1300]

In your opinion what is a more fun daily for someone in their 20s, GR86/BRZ or CTR?

[@kyfri1919]

Does your driver side mirror glass kinda shake/vibrate with wind turbulance and over bumps at highway speeds?

[@ronaldo19832]

Great video and thanks for the tips! Let's say you never track your car, would you choose the Type R or the Acura Type S? and why?

[@KENNETHTXMMA]

I want this car so bad

[@Hammtastic]

I think I would need to add some sound deadening to reduce cabin noise. I love the Type R rawness over the Type S though. Also, are the seats comfortable enough for a 4 hour drive? I'm a littler nervous with the bolsters and them being too aggressive.

[@Randy-if4th]

Fantastic video as always! I know in your Elantra hybrid vid you said you drive like a grandpa when not shooting videos. hahaha never would have guessed. obviously it wouldn't be a fair comparison but could you ever do a comparison video on all of your personal cars? including the highlander?

[@TheTopher]

Thanks Randy! I've thought about it, that'd be fun.

[@primoprayforem8342]

Prl high volume intake. Thing sounds like an idling jet when turbo winding up and the blow off is loud. Why haven't you put it on yours yet?! lol

[@primoprayforem8342]

Prl high volume intake. Thing sounds like an idling jet when turbo winding up and the blow off is loud. Why haven't you put it on yours yet?! Lol

[@jakethepitador2558]

I am glad to see your personal car has a manual transmission. The decline of the manual, and eventually the internal combustion engine, makes me sad actually.

[@paavangorrepati3645]

Babe wake up topher just posted

[@GraphUprisingg]

Have you tried the pilot sport a/s 4 ?

[@KampingxKidz]

Finally

[@DAWGs_EK9]

The best kind of content is Topher Type R content 🔥 Always awesome to hear your thoughts. Tail of the Dragon in NC/TN just got a fresh repave! You should come down and experience it 👀

[@TheTopher]

Oghhh, it’s been a while! Good to know 👍

[@DAWGs_EK9]

@@TheTopher would be awesome to roll with you if you make the trip down!✌🏻

[@kenallen394]

How do you like the 255 vs 265? Feel any different?

[@UnstoppableMileage]

Im at 15K in my 24 Type R and 20K in the GR Corolla. GR just whacked a deer over the weekend so im bummed out about that. Id be devastated if i hit one in the Type R. I was lucky to even get mine for sticker

[@apexcobra.official]

I've hit so many deer, most annoying thing ever. One of which I hit going 110 mph. That was a mess. Do you like the FL5 or GRC more?

[@TerryManitoba]

When you say the UHP A/S tire will give you more "responsiveness" around the corner and on turn in. What do you mean by that?

[@cousin15]

Great review. I have a ‘24 and would love to know which local events you attend this summer in MI.

[@TheTopher]

I’m usually at the Ann Arbor/Zingermans cars and coffee 👍 come say hi!

[@cousin15]

@@TheTopher perfect, that’s 20 min from my home!

[@YashPatel-tl3zi]

What are your thoughts about the TLX Type S as a daily? I watched the reviews but wondered how different this felt from that.

[@crumsnatcher778]

Is there any market for the OEM wheels? I'd like to get the forged wheels and it would be nice to offset the cost by selling the original wheels.

[@danerdenberger9640]

Hi Topher! I was thinking about doing the PRL motor mount on my Civic SI. Do you think it helps smooth out shifts at all? My biggest complaint with the drivetrain is how you can't feel a damn thing through the clutch pedal, and it makes it hard to shift quickly and smoothly. I was considering the RMM as well as a clutch delay valve delete to help bring some rigidity and tactility back into the system

[@Chris-ut5ih]

Great video! Do you have a catch can installed and/or do you think they are worth it for the fl5?

[@youtoobe169]

Transmission: GRIND GRIND GRIND. Honda has never been able to figure out how to make a 6 speed.

[@Inferno45]

Ive never driven one but I’ve heard they make one of the best manual transmissions.

[@808whitefa5]

what's the biggest difference between the stock 265/30 and the new 255/35? I am looking for new tires soon, and would like to keep the stock wheels. Do you feel the ride smoothly? That's the biggest gain I am looking for.

[@TheTopher]

I wanted a slightly taller sidewall on our rough roads here in MI, I would've gone 265/35, but Bridgestone only makes a 255/35 - which is still great on a 9.5" wheel.

[@aceofspades6667]

Looking to replace my 08 maxima and this is on the short list. I’m also looking at integra S, model 3 performance , and g70. My weekend car is an ND2 and use this as my daily driver kids hauler etc

[@locotek]

I'm considering the elentra n right now. Wanted a civic r but dealer allocations were pre-ordered for the next 5 years in advance. 😂

[@retrograde11]

That will be a nice combo

[@The_Noticer.]

Now I'm curious, is that rear engine mount also available for an SI of FC1 sedan? Because the 1.5T I think also does a fair bit of bucking on shift (i have a manual). EDIT: I guess they are. PRL-HC10-RMM. Curious if anyone has experience with it..

[@FL5_OGryan405]

is 2 degrees negative camber a better camber To run on a daily? Or were you meaning for track it’s better for tire wear?

[@joshjohnp]

So do you prefer the CTR over the ITS, other than for the suspension tuning & the $7K difference. If so, can you provide some insight. I am wondering which one to get.

[@nacho4875]

Looks so good is it lowered?

[@DC5arctic]

Curious how the tried and true Hasport rear motor mount stacks up against the PRL version?

[@JudgeFXX]

Did you happen to unplug the adaptive sound module? Or was the engine mode on the quietest setting the whole time?

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

Is this a better driving experience than a used 981.2 Cayman S which costs $55k+?

[@cjsnylons]

Any suggestions on where to get the ADS module?

[@ahmedabdulaziz7271]

which is a better color.. Sonic grey or Champion white?

[@leoli9158]

Did you get -2 degree camber just by pulling the struct pins?

[@foggy_cloud]

Do you use the kw electronic damping cancelation kit or just the integra type s damper module or both?

[@TheTopher]

Just the Integra type s damper module 👍

[@SeraphCrimson777]

I have an Fk8 with the stock 20'' wheels. Do you think that those FL5 alloy wheels will fit on them?

[@KourageHD]

Could you possibly show how to revert the active valve? I've tried to revert back and its not working.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

Doesn't work when you out the fuse back in?

[@TheTopher]

Just plug the fuse back in and start it up

[@ramrock388]

Why is it shaking when you push the throttle in R mode?😮 Is that normal?

[@30hours51]

is the BOV sound the same irl as we heard through headphones here?

[@TheTopher]

Yep 👍

[@A_guan]

Chris what are your thoughts about upgrading the intercooler?

[@TheTopher]

I’ve heard mixed things about it w/regards to cooling on track. I’m going to leave it stock for now.

[@ryanpek]

@thetopher How do you compare the stock typeR suspension to the GR Corolla's ?

[@TheTopher]

GR Corolla’s is far better with the Type R adaptive damper module but stock Type R suspension with Type S damper module is better than GR Corolla.

[@rey6450]

How to put rev in the centre? Is it possible?

[@rehxii5354]

Stock Type r or stock 2018 340i who’s faster stock?

[@mikerobert9338]

wait so the rear motor mount improved the shifting feel?