Moist Meter | Netflix Avatar the Last Airbender

[@aratyal]

The fact that kattara can master bend after a few words from aang and cutting out her whole arc of being jealous of aangs water bending ability is crazy

[@allandm]

Omg i was so upset they removed that. They really watered down her character, she was very one note in the netflix version, they removed all of her flaws.

[@adrian225]

They also removed aangs water bending abilities... from the adaptation of a season, of which the ENTIRE POINT is that aang tries to learn water bending

[@wetnoodlex]

Women are naturally just better at everything, so it makes sense.

[@user-fl4el2mq2x]

@@wetnoodlex🤫

[@allandm]

@@wetnoodlex it's so annoying, the original was already very female empowering, they really didn't need to do that to Katara

[@m3morizes]

One of my favorite scenes was when we saw the Zuko-Iroh flashback and Iroh said "Everything I need is on this boat" (and then nothing else, no additional cringe dialogue) and it cut to Iroh in a canoe with the only thing in the boat being Zuko. Damn.

[@Dan_Tasty]

Loved that scene and pretty much everything to do with those two. Highlight of the series for me

[@Kasiarzynka]

One thing I really liked is how they highlighted the motivations of many characters, especially from the Fire Nation. We get to see how Ozai actively plays Azula against Zuko, and how he plays games with his family in general. We do see how he actively makes Azula feel like she's never good enough, something we knew from the original show since her first appearance, BUT I can't recall it being shown as induced by Ozai on purpose, best we got was how she got treated better when Zuko failed the little firebending show and she didn't, when they were kids. We see how the bond between Iroh came to life, when Zuko offers him a thing (I forget what it was exactly) that Lu Ten gave him, knowing having something of his son would mean the world to him. Then he just sits with him silently. One thing I liked a lot is how they connected 41st division with the crew of Zuko's ship. I don't remember the connection being mentioned in the original show, but it was so touching, knowing that all the men on the ship are only alive because of him and his sacrifice, and seeing them immediately recognize that and turn their loyalty to him. It really makes his decision to speak up and against the plan to sacrifice them all the more special and meaningful. Correct me if I'm wrong but the original show never tells us of the faith of those soldiers that were going to be sacrificed in the diversion?

[@anbuhyuga8299]

Yupp, I actually got the feels a few times with Iroh and Zuko. I unironically skipped some chunks just to get to the next Zuko Iroh scene. They were the only scenes that wasn't filled with cringe acting and dialogue. The only scenes that made me forget I was watching a live action remake was scenes with general Zhao, Zuko and Iroh. And I'm sorry, I know it's a kid, but my god... was Ang's actor bad. Every single attempt of an emotion on that kid was just agonizing to watch. The only thing that was on my mind when he was on screen was: "How did he get the role?" "Is he the kid of someone high up in the industry?" "How many shots must they have taken of this scene to land on this and say. Eh, fuck it. It's not getting any better than this. Next scene! And how much worse was the acting in the other ones..." Actually, I'm not sorry. Just remembered that the mechanist's son was amazing! There are great child actors.

[@liamdietschler5493]

@@Kasiarzynka Good positives for sure

[@dimitriwillems8735]

Didn't he like make a shitty tea joke after the "Everything I need is on this boat" line?

[@BrokenFingerParadise]

The thing that annoys me mostly about all the live action remakes we've been getting lately is just this feeling that studios view anything animated as lesser for some reason. Like what does it being live action really add?

[@SererityisanEcho]

Seems to me that some of the audience also view a show being animated as lesser, because they immediately ask that a live action should be made. It goes from "Wow, that was a good show!" to "Wow, that was good animated show! It needs a live action!"

[@lordofudead]

Honestly? Some people just can’t resonate with cartoon characters not that they think lesser of cartoon or anime, they just can’t associate a cartoon character as someone with feelings or emotion. It’s a legit thing. What I don’t understand is why when making live action, they don’t add anything new or fun. It’s always a derivative, lesser version than the original, both in writing, cinematography, pacing and narrative..

[@ShaCaro]

Why 'lately'? This has always been the case. "If I did not make the original, I don't care" goes for almost every adaptation.

[@alfanscholz8663]

Reach wider audience. Many people just refuse to watch cartoons.

[@tropicata]

The existence of a live action remake is inherently a slap in the face to the original work they're pulling from. "Hey, you know that show you're a fan of? Well we're adapting it for a REAL medium. None of that kiddy shit. We're finally LEGITIMIZING the thing you like. Aren't you grateful to us??!?"

[@Dan_Tasty]

The most offputting part to me was Sokka and Yue. The cartoon equivalent is 23 mins and takes place over 5 days and nights training and planning with the northern temple. In this series they stay one night before the invasion and Sokka & Yue talk two times before going to the garden (+1 in the spirit world). It might not even have felt so rushed if he didnt also have the insta-relationship on kyoshi island also which even came across as more natural. Also Aang not bending a single drop of water in Book 1: Water

[@igetboredproductions]

A lot of that though was the stupid love triangle with Hahn, who was a tremendously lame one note character. The live action could have just cut him, but instead they actually made him a really good character with a tragic ending. The live action makes some steps backward, but there's also some really good steps forward. Pretty much every scene with Zuko and Iroh was gold.

[@Dan_Tasty]

@@igetboredproductions 100% agree about Zuko and Iroh

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

@@igetboredproductions yeah the live action is a good 7/10 for me, like there's some stuff they did wrong but there is also things they did right. pretty much anything fire nation I think the live action improved (expanding on ozai, the 41st, introducing azula early).

[@seleviathan]

They never explicitly called it Book 1, thats an assumption. Annoying but I think watching you can tell its a loose adaptation. From how they change up certain character interactions with completely different situations or introducing certain characters early on changing their characters and the characters they surround. Like with the whole Jet situation it was a similar motivation but a completely different situation and i don't think its fair to compare the two because of those differences. I think with things like these as a fan of the original you have to take your mind away from that and stop comparing because it gives you a bias view on the material without reviewing it for what it is solely. If it was a sequel you can do that but its not its an adaptation which has to be unbiased. I for one enjoyed it, yes it had its problems but there was a lot i ended up enjoying like the cgi and scenery work was pretty good, the fight choreography was engaging, ths characters had more good moments than bad and the changes though a little cluttered still worked to tell and effective story while atleast trying to hold onto the original in some areas. Im not saying its top notch but it doesnt deserve the massive hate its getting

[@Franc3115]

The problem is that it is an adaptation and not show of it self and it is bound to get compere to the original.​@@seleviathan

[@Axelantic]

I completely hate how Aang’s excuse for leaving the air temple was that “he just needed time to think” because it completely frees Aang of the responsibility for what happened to the airbenders compared to him actively running away in the show.

[@2xYuW]

So his biggest character arc is non-existing then

[@jibberish00]

Yes, in the cartoon there is real shame attached to the fact that, despite it being a very natural response (especially for a child), he does in fact run away. In the cartoon that’s some real shit he needs to process and it looms large throughout the whole show. In the live action, he is simply in the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of his own and has a simple case of survivors guilt.

[@Binks129]

⁠@@2xYuW There wasn’t really a character arc with it. The cartoon itself never even gave an end goal of where he was running away too. He didn’t wanna be the Avatar so he got on Appa, left with no destination, got caught in a storm, and froze himself. He didn’t abandon his duty, all he did was not go train in Water bending as soon as he should have.

[@SahyuSoley]

they shame him all the time in the life action, even Bumi shamed him.

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@Binks129 He literally did abandon his duty and ran away. The guilt of thinking he shouldn't have ran off and maybe could've prevented the Fire Nation's rise to power drives him to accept said duty through out season 1.

[@seru.89]

the granny randomly stating the opening to tell aang what happened was the funniest thing ever

[@Shovel12086]

Man I hated gran gran so damn much that first episode

[@lornecarmichael5668]

Yeah it was cringe

[@phoebewu9346]

I have been thinking about that for hours! Just why did they have to add that 😂

[@callmecloud8472]

it wasnt that bad.. The way she stated it "everyone knows this story, but you" so it makes sense the opening was the legend told of the avatars disappearance

[@TrillShvt]

@@callmecloud8472yea I agree . It makes sense that Katara would know that story to make it the intro in the OG

[@Mr.Wannkme]

The best way i could describe this show it "Worse than i wanted, better than i was afraid of"

[@candyboiishawty]

True

[@Mattex21]

Fax man, 100% agree

[@emmaesta9444]

Felt. Its leagues better than what i thought it would be but still not what i wanted

[@mvijar]

100%

[@acenull0]

Apt! 😂

[@lordsolarus115]

The lack of aangs desire for adventure and goofy whimsical nature makes the actually sense moments of him being angry and serious less impactful the contrast made those moments better. Take when appa was kidnapped or any time he was in avatar state.

[@K4113B4113]

So true!!

[@CrippledAutist]

Personally I kind of enjoy the more serious take ... The whole world was literally suffering for hundreds of years ... They have their laughing moments but with it being portrayed in live action ... It being more serious makes the most sense.. either way it's not a solid show but it's also not close to dog shit... For me personally it's 7/10

[@K4113B4113]

@@CrippledAutist I always see people saying this about live action adaptations of various kinds. How do you know that live action shows are only good or are just better if they have a serious tone?

[@CrippledAutist]

@K4113B4113 I say this is only for ATLA ...the world itself is enough to say this...nothing will ever beat the cartoon but in that world ppl are under 100 years of terror, death, and fear..you get the suggestion of that in the cartoon...we're actually seeing it in the live action

[@CrippledAutist]

@@K4113B4113 although I see where you're coming from...it'll just be odd to have extremely goofy scenes while in other's ppl are legitimately being burned alive

[@jameslough6329]

What you said about the amount of exposition dumps is SO accurate. There are so many per episode that it’s almost comical. I was laughing my ass off when Katara’s Grandma basically recited the entire opening script randomly to Aang in a tent

[@kc_h7h]

My biggest complaint is what they did to my boy zhao. He's supposed to be a arrogant, narcissist, intelligent conqueror who likes to toy with people in a subtle way to let them know how underneath they are compared to him. Zhao took pride in his wickedness. But in the Netflix version he's just cunning. That's it. There's no other charachter trait besides that

[@smorespg3d312]

Gran gran ruined everything. No discovery. No mystery. Just straight bullet points of what to do and when

[@calvin9436]

@@smorespg3d312and Aang was a little sad for 5 mins

[@kc_h7h]

@@smorespg3d312 and her delivery was horrible aswell

[@ethantor.6743]

**SHE SAID IT! SHE SAID THE THING!!!**

[@justsomeherowithouthair8203]

Sokka: "but the effects were decent"

[@RobinsMusic]

Cartoon sokka would say that, Netflix sokka would be too busy being serious

[@ramennnoodle]

@@RobinsMusic it's a reference to Ember Island Players (making fun of bad adaptations lol)

[@hassansulaiman3848]

@RT-zn9bj the acting was ok and it wasn’t bad it was just ok a 6.6/10 my favorite episode was 6

[@hassansulaiman3848]

@RT-zn9bj and plus if you don’t like it just stick with the original no one forced u to watched the live action 😂

[@aaronlandry3934]

@@hassansulaiman3848 6/10 isn’t worth finishing. Watch the anime instead and remember how much better it is

[@jynxapologist]

i just rlly dont like how they stripped katara of all her passion and anger she goes through in the show. she just seems so ,,, flat and calm

[@honeymama2564]

i personally didn't like katara, she had poker face 90% of the time, so stoic and bland, not a single emotion on her face even when yelling at someone

[@Rosef1re]

Agreed she can't emote at ALL.

[@DrGonzz]

I trace it back to her not breaking the iceberg out of anger and frustration (which is an important characteristic for her). Once they removed that one little thing, it cascaded into her not being able to be angry or confrontational EVER which significantly reduces her impact and overall strength in personality. So instead, they decided to make her meek, quiet, and naive? Odd choice. An early and strange deviation from the source material made her basically unrecognizable in this live action series.

[@Eldersh1eld]

she could barely do any bending before meeting aang, and in the original she could at least do things like move water, and the iceberg scene showing her potential

[@nathannix3217]

I found her annoying in the og show so I didn’t mind the change

[@andrei606]

The netflix version is still miles ahead of the 2010 movie, but also miles below the original cartoon

[@SillySkull]

To be fair it’s really not hard to beat that shitshow. I mean dude they made it possible for one guy to bend a rock, not seven! That’s insane!!!

[@CelluloidPsychosis]

There is no 2010 movie in Ba Sing Se.

[@johncutie5769]

I thought it was really good for a first season. Parts of the live action are better than the cartoon for me. Its easier to take the threats seriously because they are more realistic.

[@wildfire9280]

⁠​⁠@@johncutie5769 Live action = more realistic, right? Because there’s no other logic you can use here to make sense of that bold claim.

[@johncutie5769]

@@wildfire9280 Its a logical statement already not sure what you mean lol

[@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke]

They removed everyone's character development. They said no to Sokka learning that women could be as strong as men, they took away Kattara's jealousy of how Aang could waterbend better than her, they minimized Zuko's trauma, and made quick work of Aang's not wanting to bear the responsibility (of being the avatar). It's not even rushing the story but downright removed character development. Excellent casting and fight sequences though. The CGI too looked really good.

[@michaelmorrissey9565]

I agree except on casting. Most of the actors didn’t fit their characters. Also the acting was horrible

[@Hawkcam1996]

Yeah, It’s impossible for Katara to be jealous of Aang waterbending better than her when Aang doesn’t waterbend *AT ALL* for the entire season, especially considering she became a master at the end of the season. The writers made so many dumb choices concerning the characters.

[@ChristianThatLovesGod]

@@michaelmorrissey9565agreed on the casting. I think the worst casted characters were Mai and Yue. They had some good ones like Suki and Ty Lee, but most of the cast just looks like cosplay.

[@alexlolli2325]

Are u fucking special education?? Did u even watch it?? Sokka was literally trying to teach her and figjt her thinking she didn’t know Jack. Then she taught him. And they never rushed him not wanting to be the avatar, he said and talked about it like 3 times in different episodes, how is that rushing, that’s the whole reason he ran to clear his head

[@miketirta]

So glad they keep the Cabbage man character in Ba Sing Sei. 😀 Err.... it was Omashu. Thanks @Hawkcam1996 .

[@quitzx1389]

I like how they said the cartoon is too childish but then get offended when you compare the two, because they know the cartoon is the better show in all aspects.

[@jneilson7568]

Yep, they clearly think the Netflix audience is less able to pick up smart writing and character nuance than the original Nickelodeon one, supposedly made for kids, it's really quite odd.

[@nope19568]

people saying the live action is the more "mature" version is killingggg me, like just say you dont get subtext and nuance and think overt violence is what equals maturity

[@musicbox6144]

I hate that bending feels more like powers like telekinesis or like the force from Star Wars. Doesn’t feel like you can only bend through martial arts like the anime .

[@dbzbruh3674]

The cartoon was way more mature than the live action. Also no child understood everything that was going on. That story is deep with depth. I still watch the cartoon. I’m 28 the live action had me weeping with laughter it’s no where close to the cartoon. Nobody can mimic that masterpiece. I guess the new show did one thing it’s going to make me watch the cartoon again. lol. The lack of writing and story telling is beyond me. That’s what the cartoon did it told an amazing story.

[@dbzbruh3674]

Funny how they went for a serious approach but literally the most serious character looks like a pudgy 14 year old I expected azula to be so much angrier and a little older looking. But whatever I didn’t find this show but I will say not a fan. Kattaras actor was bad as well.

[@candaceswart8228]

Funny how they were too afraid to keep in Sokkas sexism, but then forgot to give Katara a purpose or personality 😂

[@frediliofili7259]

Facts. She had zero flaws

[@kingofcards9]

That's just modern progressive media for you.

[@Rena-2189]

@@kingofcards9wrong it’s corporate media. Most people don’t like it, for some reason ceos think it sells

[@kingofcards9]

@@Rena-2189 modern corporate media is modern progressive media. And you're right most people don't like it, but they push it because that is what modern politics deems acceptable.

[@screamingseal4805]

@@Rena-21892 words black.rock

[@NekoHanyouHanaru]

I saw this on a reddit thread and it really made sense lol ATLA cartoon: going to a concert ATLA LA show: watching someone’s video of a concert but their seats are halfway up and a pillar is blocking 1/4 of the screen ATLA LA movie: someone 15 shots in telling you about a concert they went to 10 years ago

[@JeffreyThrash]

Well, at least the Netflix show tried more than the 2010 movie. Maybe it would have actually been passable if they weren’t expected to cram a Nickelodeon series (from back when a single season of a show had to have 52 episodes) into only 8.

[@NekoHanyouHanaru]

@@JeffreyThrash I just don’t think it needed to be made. Period. I’m personally really sick of things being turned into live action lol

[@wyp8098]

​@@NekoHanyouHanaruI think it's cool as hell seeing live -adaptations . You're boring. Just don't watch it, just bcz normies like it, it's got you mwaaad, oooah, weeeeb.

[@crimsonitacilunarnebula]

Personally the dragon ball onewa goods​@@NekoHanyouHanaru

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@NekoHanyouHanaru Me too, but it's good to know that it wasn't the absolute trainwreck I expected it to be. Unfortunately I know way too many people that can't take anything animated seriously, even after being exposed to stuff like End of Evangelion or Loving Vincent, so it's good to know such normies won't suffer quite as much as they would have if they had seen the M. Night Shyamalan version of The Last Airbender. And it gives me an excuse to watch the original yet again on Netflix to send the message to them that there is a market for nuanced animated tales, still, so it's a win-win. Well, win for me and a "draw" for those that insist on only watching the live action remakes of anything.

[@Meowtro]

The fact that Aang doesn't do any waterbending at all is crazy.

[@janderson9477]

Probably next season will be water I mean his whole family just died give him a minute but Ang should have ran away when he heard that that’s probably why he was so hard on tozen his son when he was born he was the only one left…

[@camdonisbatman]

@@janderson9477this season is supposed to be water…

[@Killerbeastt]

@@camdonisbatman Exactly! They show Katara practicing but never have Aang practice with her like in the cartoon. I thought maybe we could see some when they get to the northern water tribe. But instead they show how much of a girl boss Katara was.

[@Lonzo6262]

​@Killerbeastt They literally gave him a reason, he's literally afraid to take on that responsibility and as we see him go on this journey he literally neglects it every time. He doesn't ask to be trained because he's afraid to learn. That's why by the end the Master Pakku was disappointed and said he couldn't be relied on because he should of dud training on his journey. Something aang choose to not do.

[@camdonisbatman]

@@Lonzo6262 exactly which was stupid. go ahead and get rid of that android for us 💀

[@jasonkopp101]

Aang not ever practicing water bending with Katara is wild

[@Agentcoolguy1]

He literally doesn't bend water at all 😂😂

[@draykohunter6805]

​@@Agentcoolguy1I haven't finished the season yet, but please tell me you're joking.

[@emo_link]

@@draykohunter6805 nah. Just finished the show. Hasn’t bended the water unless you can’t his Avatar State. Anyways, call me optimistic, but I was somewhat enjoyed the show

[@Agentcoolguy1]

@draykohunter6805 Unfortunately I'm not. He only airbends.

[@rickjohnson5752]

yeah literally season 1 book water, not a single time he tried to waterbend@@Agentcoolguy1

[@itsironicgaming]

I feel like Zuko and Aang had more bonding than Aang did with Katara and Sokka lol

[@54032Zepol]

That's how they become friends.

[@shawerful5209]

Cartoon: this is my friend, he is also the avatar Netflix: this is the avatar, he is also my friend

[@aidarjapykeev4544]

Bruh, I agree. Seriously, they didn’t show any bonding between Aang and Sokka and Katara

[@backroadbeetle4781]

I swear Katara and Sokka had more romance than Aang and Katara 😂, they just tossed it all out the door.

[@lzyttn139]

Secret Tunnel about two lovers and they thought Katara and Sokka being the 2 “lovers” was a good idea

[@beansauce7957]

The scene when Iroh is sitting next to Lu Tens casket, and zuko gives him the lil thing, shit had me in tears not even gonna lie

[@aliakbarzade230]

They straight up removed Aang's first attempt at fire bending and they removed close to all of Roku appearances.

[@alexlun4464]

Yeah but at the same time they gave way to appearances to the other avatars which is cool since we never got to see much of them or their stories in the animated show. Roku was always the one that appeared the most.

[@yournobody6487]

Considering how they moved some of the stuff around timeline wise even like stuff from other seasons fully possible they are just gonna keep all the specifc bending related things to that book. Like haru wasnt here at all but very possible that its a season two thing and jong jong will most likely be in season 3 and they could use it to work into zuko ending up being who teaches him. This show isnt perfect by any means but MOST of the changes they atleast made it make sense in the context of this show which is more than alot of shows do when they just change to change. For example putting in kyoshi over roku well yeah because they have this whole "have to be at their shrine thing" and its on kyoshi island would be kinda dumb for roku to make the save there.

[@FreshPenguin918]

@@yournobody6487they didn’t need to add kyoshi or Roku at that point. They just wanted to give kyoshi screen time but I’m doing so they have to change avatar kuruks entire character to write themselves out of the hole they made. 90% of the changes they made serve no purpose

[@yournobody6487]

@@FreshPenguin918 Never said it was needed simply said it made sense for kyoshi to show up on her own island...in the context of what they wrote it made sense and worked for what they were going for. The change to kuruk wasnt even a big deal either way he was an avatar that wasnt around but having him actively still doing his duty and it just look like to the outside world he was bad at his job worked...again in the context of what they were writing since its just dumb to try to make it make sense to the cartoon. They wrote in a different direct and it works for what they wrote, doesnt make it better or worse it just lines up with their world.

[@aanyamallick7747]

@@alexlun4464Kuruk was done well tho. It’s accurate to the comic and the actor does a great job at conveying hurt/pain but still give us that “go with the flow avatar.” The contrast can be seen when Aang asked him to take control over his body and then he explains to us (before hitting the ground with his stick) why he couldn’t

[@bruv.2214]

Exposition in this show killed it for me. The scene of Iroh’s son funeral literally starts off with two nameless characters discussing how Irohs son died as if the funeral does not tell us he is dead.

[@pewpewpandas9203]

That was more to demonstrate public perception of Iroh after the seige of Ba Sing Se, but go off on your media literacy

[@chillguy425]

For me it was Aang describing who he was in episode one before he left the air temple. I'm so glad the writers chose to tell, not show.

[@cobyburdick7695]

If you listen to the background music it's leaves from the vine. But messed up and it's done in several scenes

[@TDestro9]

@@pewpewpandas9203I’m not 2 I don’t need to be spoon fed I can come up with my own conclusions

[@LegiyonEhellout]

​@pewpewpandas9203 I know you use reddit just judging by this comment

[@2000xmegaman]

The fact they completely cut out penguin sledding and Aang going avatar state against Zuko when they were leaving the South Pole is crazy to me. And when he goes avatar state when he finds monk gyatso skeleton and they cut out that katara is the one who holds his hand and calms him down is criminal. It shows her compassion for Aang and the beginning of a bond they form and they just cut it out like it’s nothing smh

[@steveiguana6887]

They also left out Katara catching Aang as he fell from the iceberg. Her face was the first thing he saw when he woke up, and I feel it's a pretty important scene to keep. Easy one to keep too.

[@2000xmegaman]

@@steveiguana6887 FOREAL it pissed me off. I tried watching it with an open mind and to not be too judgmental but I think they did a pretty bad job not sticking to the source material. It’s okay to change a few things but the way they just cut certain things out was dumb and made makes the show feel more rushed and less emotional.

[@villahermosasebastian8794]

​@@steveiguana6887they probs didnt want to keep the romance moments between them since aang still looks like a little kid

[@adjgamer]

It "Wanna go penguin sledding with me?!" Commercial is burned into my brain from my childhood, I almost don't wanna watch it now without penguin sledding haha

[@plasticstraw5033]

the fact that giyatso doesn’t slaughter any soldiers is actually criminal

[@therenegade1096]

I have to keep reminding myself that Appa and Momo were in this. Legit every time they were on screen I went “Oh yeah. They’re here.”

[@itscris1973]

Same, i kept forgetting they were there

[@cnsmooth]

They have to keep the budget down I guess, but I hear you

[@amo903]

Seeing Sokka and Katara entering the cave of two lovers… Yup the writers werent kidding when they said they were trying to make the show like game of thrones

[@JustSumGuy01]

And they made it needlessly too long. Sokka had a badass moment where he tamed a Badgermole into helping him and the hippies get out. Aang: We let love find the way Sokka: Oh? We let big furry monsters find the way

[@mrsfahrenheit]

ahh even tho I‘ve never watched GoT I now this is an incest joke😂 no but.. can you please tell my why this episode was forced in there and wasted in the process ? Felt like they were straight up just using it for the sake of the secret tunnel- meme.. because that talk Katara and Sokka had could’ve happened literally everywhere else

[@anut8733]

They're just roleplaying the Lannister familiy's activity

[@anandareza6889]

💀

[@AndreiJorge-f3x]

at some point in the cartoon they rp'd as husband and wife and aang as their child so...

[@PizzaLover429]

Hats off to this adaptation for its subtlety. No one could ever deny the fact they shout from the rooftops about every little detail. Such a bold choice of storytelling there.

[@SweetPapaya1]

🤣

[@thedarkroom6416]

lol

[@migl1802]

Can't wait for the finale, "Firelord Ozai, I'm the avatar, master of all four elements. I'm here to stop you from burning this forest during sozin's comet. It is true that when the world needed me most I vanished. But after a hundred years passed katara and sokka discovered me in an iceberg in the south pole. Back then only my airbending skills were great, so I had a lot to learn before I was prepared to save anyone, but I believe I could save the world."

[@Chips9741]

​@migl1802 I'm really sure this is gonna be in it 😂

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

I already tapped out during episode 1 when Aang basically told the camera exactly how he felt and what he was thinking and GranGran recited the opening monologue verbatim to the characters.

[@JTread2003]

My favorite episode so far was the mask episode, it was almost one to one with the original. I'm glad they did Zuko right. One thing I really thought was cool that they added was the fact that Zuko's crew is the 41st division, the one that he said shouldn't be used as a distraction in the war room. I thought that was great. I don't really know how to feel about the rest

[@tannerpayne4384]

Zukos actor was so good, homie hitting the leaf hurricane on every second fire attack. I think they should have hella athletic actors play firebenders, since we won’t have any other airbenders aside from aang

[@judgement-kazzy]

Definitely this. One of my main issues with that episode though is the talk between him and Aang after they had to hide away from Zhao and his crew when his mask got shot, and a couple other stuff.. but yeah other than that, definitely a better episode than the others.

[@AstralAnubes]

I honestly think that was the only good thing they added

[@KarpetBurn]

While it is a neat touch it doesn't really make sense. Obviously they didn't adhere to Zuko's advice to save the crew otherwise he wouldn't have been branded and banished from the Fire Nation. His crew in the original is just a skeleton crew Iroh pulled together to take on Zuko's mission. They hated him at first because of his firey attitude but quickly warmed up when they realized what caused his banishment in the first place, which I think I enjoy more than the adaptation.

[@clydesheridan69420]

they did none of the characters right lol

[@bernardthequagsire2373]

It was actually incredible how Aang didn't bend any other element even once during this season outside of avatar state. In the original at this point he had already learned water beding pretty much and tried out fire bending.

[@pewpewpandas9203]

The fire bending was a skippable, but it's fucking insane that they got all the way through book one without a single person pointing out that Aang didn't water bend once. There were multiple opportunities for him to at least start, but every time I thought "oh, he's going to learn to water bend now" they just don't do it, like they forgot he's supposed to be learning. FFS Katara even offers to help teach him with the scroll and he DECLINES. I get not wanting to be the avatar, but this is ridiculous. Other than that, good show.

[@cm3368]

@@pewpewpandas9203 It wasn't really skippable, the point of it was that Aang got cocky and accidentally hurt someone he loves, this establishes his reluctance and refusal to Firebend that delays him becoming fully-realised and requires the experience of the Sun Warriors to finally understand that Fire isn't just about burning things down, likewise it's critical for Katara to discover she has healing abilities - this itself is rare among Waterbenders, the live-action gets around this by simply making it so all Waterbenders can heal anyway but women are trained to specialise in it, which Katara doesn't even do because she immediately leaves the healing hut to go fight Pakku anyway, and now this is a problem because Katara's healing abilities are important to saving the lives of a few key characters, so either they have to extend the Book One arc into the next season, or everything happens offscreen and Katara is just suddenly reintroduced as a gifted healer, or else those moments of fatal danger don't occur and the healing abilities are never needed while Aang's reluctance to Firebend is probably just a skill issue rather than a psychological block

[@pewpewpandas9203]

It's skippable in that Aang could simply learn about fire bending's dangers externally rather than it being an internal thing (especially since the dragon thing was more for zuko than for aang). I agree the katara healing is important, but the small change they made doesn't affect the plot in a meaningful way. It's unfortunate that they seem to be offscreening all bending training though (katara's improvements across the show were gradual enough, but we never really saw why they were occurring other than a couple tips from aang and Jet)@@cm3368

[@alexzeng9833]

​@@cm3368but we already have him being scared of bending in general because of him being more naturally gifted and scared of bending in general in the live action, making all of that redundant because he has that ongoing arc already

[@cm3368]

@@alexzeng9833 They didn't even do that, he Airbends constantly and only expressed one instance of being afraid in a flashback to a moment he nearly blew two other students off a cliffside, the whole point of Book One is for Aang to learn Waterbending - which he does in the original season through Katara who teaches him what she knows only for him to turn out to be even more proficient at it than her, then they both learn from the scroll, then again from Master Pakku, none of that happens here, Aang doesn't Waterbend once and Book One is completed, although since they already cut out parts of Book Two, maybe they're going to spend the first episode of season 2 in the North Pole still

[@migl1802]

The worst change in this adaptation is the removal of fun. In the og, despite their mission, you could still see they were just kids. With this one, apparently all the kids do is exposition dump, announce what they're about to do, or remind themselves where they are. Kinda reminds me of the dialogue in the star wars prequels.

[@blackjackjester]

It's sadly the state of almost all modern writing. I think it comes from the fact that most writers in Hollywood could never actually be a writer alone. It's truly a talent and a skill, not something you get a degree in...but all they hire is credentialed graduates.

[@justaguywhowatchesyoutube5588]

It’s also like the movie version of the show.

[@migl1802]

@@blackjackjester So true and unfortunate

[@13Kr4zYAzN13]

​@@blackjackjesterI'll get flack for saying this, but *this* is the reason I didn't feel _that_ bad about the recent writer's strike The writer's strike in the late 2000s resulted in shows getting worse. The most recent strike I half expected shows to get _better_

[@migl1802]

@@justaguywhowatchesyoutube5588 be careful with that take. The fans snorting on copium really hate when anyone says that lol

[@the_real_cookiez]

The "dumbing" down of everything is spot on. The nuances of all the characters gave the characters depth and development and part of the reason why ATLA was a masterpiece. This live action lacked creativity and it's no wonder the original creators bounced.

[@CookieMonster-ky1rb]

They made the mistake of thinking that catering to adults meant the story had to be dark, not insightful. Ironically, this approach ends up making the narrative feel lighter emotionally. When you replace the fun-loving, friendly kid with someone more serious and focused, you lose the weight of their genuine struggle to hold onto their optimism when faced with adversity.

[@J__T]

Yeah, I don't care for the 'original creators' whatsoever. "Creative differences" is basically their M. O., so seeing them bounce on that was laughable rather than a red flag. The omens both good and bad came instead in the actual content rather than any leaks beforehand.

[@mihile8157]

If they release a season 2, they should at least have 10 episodes instead of 8, feels like with 10 episodes it would pace much better

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

The live action almost has more runtime than the original cartoon.

[@sufyanzakir8781]

Also make the episodes slightly longer, imo they should make 2 seasons on book 2 so we get to see more character development and more parts of the story from the cartoon.

[@PrimeKobeBryant]

@@xxkillbotxx7553runtime in real life translate differently dude you can’t just fast forward in real life or throw a flashback and teleport

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

@@PrimeKobeBryant They literally did all of those things in the show. Also, why can't you?

[@wyp8098]

Cartoons are different than actual human environments. It would look stupid..... ​That's why, you can't expect them to pace at the same rate that's dumb af.@@xxkillbotxx7553

[@oguzcanoguz5977]

The characters not bantering and always talking about business is a common pitfall, if you do not know what you are doing. I think one of the reasons One Piece Live Action worked so well is because, there was always scenes where people from the crew were just talking to each other, making fun, getting into arguments etc. It was a delight to see the crew just ordering food at Baratie and making fun of each others choices.

[@EdwinAbili]

They banter slightly but yeah I agree

[@paulbrown9328]

I think they can easily improve if they do season 2. The characters do banter just not enough. My only complaint about this series is the pacing, exposition dump, and relationships don’t feel natural yet. But overall I like the changes they just needed a couple more episodes to breathe they should’ve had one or two adventure episodes where team avatar does fun and zuko showing up to ruin it. More episodes, more character fun interactions and building, and I think the series can be very solid. Right now it sits at a 6.5/10 but can be easily improved if they take this feedback and knock book 2 out of the park. I feel like if they had this tone for season 2 and 3 it would’ve worked better.

[@oguzcanoguz5977]

@@paulbrown9328Dude, if you are giving a show 6.5, then it has a lot more problems than what can be simply improved. Show qualities do change sometimes, but never that drastically. And to be honest, I dont remember seeing a show getting better, it is usually the other way around.

[@DannyMakesVideosIGuess]

@@oguzcanoguz5977 Dude, a 6.5 is not so terrible it can never improve enough.

[@garbagecan755]

Aang in the Live Action: Wow, look at those kids having fun. I wish I could have fun. Aang in the Cartoon: HEY CHECK THIS OUT *ball trick*

[@vicjames12]

😂😂😂

[@mrlabeouf9002]

Isn't that LITERALLY what he did on the live action show aswell?? The fuck

[@jonathaneby9485]

They also did not understand King Bumi to be a MAD GENIUS!!

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

They turned Bumi to a bitter old man instead of a child-at-heart old man.

[@jasonfischer9857]

​@@PRubin-rh4sr Yeah super disappointed with how bitter and mean they made buni, treating his servants badly and just not having any likable qualities at all.

[@smallfryskilledge1550]

But he is mad, just in a different way

[@SachemMetacomet]

I loved the scenes with zuko, sokka, zhao, and firelord ozai they all carried in this show

[@timothyha2854]

Yes I agree. Loved the fighting scenes in this show, and the fire nation narratives definitely carried the show. Love watching Zhao and Zuko go at it and Ozai was badass

[@jamesbenz3228]

Zhao was incredible in this series. Overall I disliked the live action but I actually prefer what they did with Zhao in the live action. Certainly helps that the actor is incredible.

[@dariusreyes797]

Aang not knocking those cakes on the monks at the Air Temple with Monk Gyatso is CRIMINAL…they were supposed to emphasize how Gyatso wanted Aang to have a childhood before he walked into Godhood or Avatarhood

[@Bootypopper]

instead they just have him dialogue vomit how he loves banana cakes LMFAO

[@yelloweyes8345]

"I love banana cakes. They are soft, creamy, and get in my stomach."

[@enetonic]

And we have Gran Gran spoiling everything

[@TheMadPickler01]

Jesus christ, i read "cake" and "gyat" and thought some monk had a fat ass in the show

[@BusinessSkrub]

​@@yelloweyes8345I don't like sand.....

[@estetiikkaa]

The fact that they forgot to make Aang waterbend a single time in a season where he is supposed to learn it so next season we go earthbending is hilarious

[@KingInTraining]

I think the idea is going to be to leave a time gap between seasons and he’ll be a work in progress water bender who masters it within a couple episodes

[@smerkz1378]

Yea but i think if the make season 2 he probably gonna be practicing water bending in the beginning cuz he still doesnt master in in season 2 in the cartoon.

[@Tonykid7]

yeah but thats a bad idea and its bad storytelling. @@KingInTraining

[@Duskool]

I haven't watched it, but i assume is cuz they took "filler scenes" out no? Since it's like 8 episodes or something? Most of the times we see Aang and Katara practice waterbending are (usually) mostly filler, chill scenes in the episodes, and thus with the mentality of "we can't stop we gotta get to the epic fight scenes!" those scenes have little if no priority

[@AK-jt9gx]

@@Duskoolkatara still got at least 2 or 3 filler moments waterbending in this though. No reason Aang couldn’t have had a couple, used it a tiny bit in one or two fights in this season, and then had one lesson shown with Master Pakku

[@physxme]

"but the effects were decent" -Sokka 2007

[@SentinalSlice]

Hahaha! “They got Zuko’s scar wrong though. It’s on the wrong side” -anyone but Toph

[@that_dude_over_there]

Yo wait did Sokka predict the future?

[@Trilogye]

Although I still enjoyed watching the show. This a top tier comment.

[@Kango234]

​@@that_dude_over_there He already did when they made the movie.

[@juneru2]

@@Kango234 except the effects in that were crap

[@66.6howl]

2:44 I felt that a lot when I reached the 41 scenes of thirsty Suki staring at Sokka and acting weird around him, like I get it they like each other pls stop lol

[@ninapinetree]

I hate how they just erased all the characters flaws, like Sokka's sexism and katara's envy of Aang. This flaws are major things for their character development, It's improving these imperfections that make their characters so interesting. They didn't need to "girl boss" Katara because she's already badass in the animation.

[@samhilton4173]

Exactly. The same thing with the Kyoshi warriors. Suki and Sokka become close because they have so much in common, including their mothers deaths. In this live action version they replace Sukis father with her mother. Ruining a character trait, damaging a relationship trait, and making less sense in general. They jist made the village elder ger mother instead because apparently you can't have a male village elder because that's sexist. Nevermind that it's KYOSHI island. Never mind the fact that all the best warriors are women. No, we absolutely have to have EVERYBODY be a girl boss. Its so contrived and adds nothing.

[@RaiosSephi]

It's basically how alot of people like Batman rather than Superman. Batman is much more relatable.

[@twinzzlers]

*THEY WHAT* ?

[@alexgiles536]

They did that only for Katara to learn basic water bending from a man anyways, and from Jet of all people.

[@sherry356]

I stopped watching by the third episode, I just couldn’t go through it anymore largely because of this (it has other issues too). Awesome visuals and acting, but they ruined the writing and pacing. I feel bad for the actors tbh, they gave it their best, but that can only carry the show so far if the writing, storytelling and character development is terrible. This series also dumps too much information all in one go and mashed all together as well… it makes for really weird pacing issues.

[@jamesstone6582]

When Katara and Sokka go into the Cave of Two Lovers together without Aang, I knew exactly what they meant by trying to appeal to GOT fans

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Brother, I'd rather just think they were talking about family love. Though, I won't deny thinking of it that way too. WHY?!

[@overlord3083]

You dont understand show if you mention familial love there. That cave was about oma and shu who together made omashu ​@@ibrahimihsan2090

[@overlord3083]

You dont understand show if you mention familial love there. That cave was about oma and shu who together made omashu ​@@ibrahimihsan2090

[@toolittletoolate]

@@ibrahimihsan2090"Lovers" Is not familial love my friend.

[@Sprinting_sprtn]

AHAHAHAHAHHA

[@GordonLee97]

Someone said it looks like a stage play where everyone is just cosplaying as their character, and I can't unsee it.

[@jibberish00]

Ember Island Players!!!

[@3Guys1Video]

Ember Island

[@TraeceJay]

Aangs glider prop is the worst offender of this

[@wheresmypudding]

Same bruh

[@m00nrac00n]

Like the theatre group in book fire. 💀

[@thezenv]

my favorite part was when Katara's gran gran pointed at Aang and said "he is the last airbender"

[@Skye_Blue]

Over time, I've learned that when a showrunner claims they want to 'appeal to a mature audience,' they actually mean they're going to dumb everything down to the point that everything is juvenile and meant to appeal to complete knuckle draggers. Which means they want to get the biggest possible audience, which says a lot about how they see said audience. And it sounds like this show is what I was expecting it to be: a slower paced version of the movie, and ultimately a cliff notes of the animated version. So I think I'll pass on this.

[@Walhor]

My wife just said it best: instead of making show for kids and adults, it's made adults acting as kids.

[@acousticcallum]

Knuckle draggers is wild XD

[@migl1802]

Love the bizarre sokka and suki scenes lol. They went from being competitive to immediately flirty like it's 50 shades of avatar, instead of being an opportunity for sokka to develop as a character.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

That cringed me a lot too.

[@gpfhantom1890]

yeah, I immediately dropped it right then and there. I saw legit zero personality from Sokka, he is just there, I am sure I am not the only one that felt that. And the pacing is just bizzare, it's too fast and it feels like it's all over the place

[@davidmason3671]

You want to know why gen Z doesn’t want another avatar adaptation? The people don’t understand how iroh affected us. Zuko. Aang. Katara. The Gang. This clearly just shows we will NEVER get another show like ATLA…. Leaves from the vine

[@oftheHowl]

They were too scared of getting canceled for Sokka's sexism, so they just completely took out how he improves as a character

[@migl1802]

@@gpfhantom1890 Dude they were all a massive downgrade. Aang was so serious, katara was emotionless, zuko wasn't brooding. Don't get me started on team Azula. Instead of elite cunning fighters, they were just angsty teens from a CW show that looked like the most mismatched cosplayers.

[@Nitro_On_Yootube]

Just as a reminder Aang did not bend a single drop of water though the entire first season of the live action.(THE WHOLE POINT WAS FOR HIM TO LEARN WATER BENDING)

[@CJay2028]

Yeah wasn’t it the book of water 😭

[@AstroSully]

Ain’t no way 💀 I can’t believe this so what element was he bending outside of air? 😂

[@MostHighEmperorPalpatine]

(I'm keeping this up cause I wasn't paying attention my apologies the LA is trash and he doesn't bend at all you're right!) He bends water in the south against zuko on his ship… and literally bends water when trying to get frogs and outrun the archers sent by zhao lol. He also bends later and Katara is mad he’s so good at it 😂 bruh rewatch the show

[@MostHighEmperorPalpatine]

@@polar6826the blue spirit episode he bends water into ice to avoid arrows from zhaos soldiers 😂

[@Dickson421]

This is not true. What about the scroll that Katara steals from those pirates? Her and ang practice using the scroll. Katara gets jealous that Aang is able to complete water bending basics that took her months to learn.

[@imperfectorganism]

i appreciate this adaptation, as i have a few friends that flat out refuse to watch animations. i got them to watch this, they dug it, now they want to watch the animation. thats a win to me.

[@imperfectorganism]

@@YonutDonut ok buddy

[@darao.4907]

exactly i think this is the real purpose of the live action for me its getting so many people to watch the cartoon which is GREAT

[@texanmetalhead1]

My mother has been adamant that she will never watch an animated show, let alone a "kids cartoon", but after watching the live action, we are now going through the original cartoon and she is loving it.

[@AstralAnubes]

Then they will realize how much better the cartoon is. They were missing out on a masterpiece

[@notsostealthmission5184]

When they directly state what’s happening and directly state emotion and also have no subtlety, I cannot stomach a show

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

I've seen some mainstream KDramas to be guilty of this. Instead of showing a character is angry, he just says hes angry.

[@GaryBrooks270]

so every anime ever

[@a.alonso5132]

That's the reason for why I will never be able to enjoy 99% of anime out there.

[@weeyum99]

yep. no reason to be at the edge of your seat watching this show when they just constantly recite exposés and shove you back in your chair

[@forxfilms]

L take

[@lamarbelina9436]

First thing that really pissed me off was the way Aang figured out Bumi

[@keltonmcdonald9750]

Saaaame dude. I had no real problems until then. And plus Katara and Sokka being the ones together in the cave of two lovers

[@Benkape]

@@keltonmcdonald9750THAT. The fucking cave killed me! The band was dope tho. „SECRET TUNNEEEEEEEEEL. SECRET SECRET TUNNEEEEEEEL. they’re doomed.“

[@austinken1405]

That episode made me hats this show lol. Like iroh and zuko and even jet... was never in omashu. Fucking terrible writing. Katara STOLE the waterbending scroll not gran gran giving it to her. They took out so much character development they skipped sooooooooooooooo much man.

[@pandasleepingzzz]

What I did like was the cabbages man!

[@andrewwilson9123]

@@austinken1405Tbf, Katara stealing the scroll is a bit contrary to the status quo of her character, especially when you contrast it with how she reacts to the scams in s3

[@jesterfacation]

I feel like they showed the fire lord too early. Having Ozai be an ominous shadowy figure sitting on the throne dishing out brutal commands added a different level of fear to the monster that is the fire lord. When you finally see him at the end of the cartoon hes just a man. A brutal, greedy man that can do terrible things and think nothing of it

[@guynumber3100]

Bingo!

[@curtiszyr]

Fire lord has no dread whatsoever 😂 there’s no villain in this live action show. They butchered king bunmi 😂

[@pyronix]

they showed azula too early too, and i think the actress that plays her is miscasted. azula (in the animated series) is immediately menacing, but the the actress that was casted to play her looks very kind. girl was struggling to really act like a villain.

[@ichigolegend2788]

@@pyronix I think hey tried to show how Azula developed in book 1 since we didn't see her in book 1 original. But I agree, they could just leave Azula for book 2 to make room for other.

[@QuickThekidd]

@@ichigolegend2788she was pretty evil when she was little but i haven’t gotten to the azula ep yet

[@Dubitz]

My main gripe at the end was that the show just grants Katara the title of “Master” yet she never gets any training from Paku. Everything she knows is just stuff she picked up by herself. Yea she’s getting good at Water Bending, but I wouldn’t consider her a “Master” yet.

[@Senpaiaproves]

The scene where we find out who zukos crew turns out to be is actually a really good twist. And iroh is iroh, you gotta love him

[@alexlun4464]

I can accept all criticism but on Zuko and Iroh, those two were done well in the netflix adaptation and those who complain remember a different Zuko.

[@MrSirFluffy]

@@alexlun4464 Yeah, Zuko was done perfect. I actually can't imagine him being done better in a live action. Semi hot take, but I think the Fire family storyline is an overall improvement. Their dynamic makes a lot more sense in the live action. The rest of the story took a nose dive though. Suki was also improved though imo.

[@aanyamallick7747]

@@alexlun4464yes! The actors have AMAZING chemistry. Let’s not forget Aang and Gyasto.

[@CJay2028]

i loved this!

[@thecarter8700]

@@alexlun4464 It’s their voices that kill me They were very well acted But Iroh needs to be able dig deep when he’s encouraging Zuko That voice actor was incredible in the cartoon

[@CJay2028]

One thing I really liked was the take on Zuko and his men. Not only did Zuko stick up for new recruits, but he saved their lives, and now works with them.

[@mrsfahrenheit]

agreed! One of the few additions that were great and actually made sense

[@TeloMeto420]

I feel like that weakens his character ark. He becomes good very late into ATLAB, so he wouldnt have been such a nice guy to his men before the main conflicts of the show that make him realize Iroh is right...

[@KingGheedoraahh]

@@TeloMeto420agreed, they did something similar on the actual cartoon in the Episode titled “The Storm” when Zuko ignores the safety of his crew to pursue the avatar and it causes a rift between Zuko and his crew. But Zukos action and his uncaring nature towards everyone hints back at why he was banished in the first place and his insecurity about it all, him trying to be this heartless uncaring leader like his father wants him to be. But Iroh being Iroh knows that this isn’t really who Zuko is and tries to talking to the crew about what Zuko has been through. And the episode ends with Zuko stopping the pursuit and saving one of his crew mates. Zuko is still angsty and still tries to hide his feelings away from everyone but these little hints thru the episode show his true nature, sadly all the subtlety is removed from the Netflix show

[@ceeb420]

Zuko is my favorite character in the original, and I was incredibly nervous as to how his live action counterpart would fare. But I was pleasantly surprised. They really did him justice, in a slightly different, but great way.

[@marvle_nerd9818]

@@TeloMeto420that same storyline happens in the cartoon though, not the exact thing but zuko says he doesn’t care if his men die in season 1 then at the end of the episode he puts the lives of his men over capturing Aang

[@dr_that_guy]

Yeah the rushing is what is killing it for me. Once they started doing Bumi, Jet, the engineer from the northern temple, and the cave of two lovers all in about one episode, I could feel it going downhill.

[@martinaguiluz4063]

Yeah, I kinda didn't like that either. I thought they would spend a whole episode on Jet and his crew. I hated how they included stuff from S2 as well. It's as if the showrunners were trying to say "Hey, we won't revisit these characters and locations in the next season, so we'll show everything about them in these 2 episodes".

[@tomi832]

well, it's more Jet, the engineer and Bumi in 2 episodes...of 50 minutes each. In the end they did get more time. In general, I think that it was actually done better here with them. I personally dislike Jet's episode and find the engineer's boring. I think that it was much smarter to intertwine them and it actually works. The problem is I think more about the writing...But I actually prefer Jet and the engineer in the live-action than in the animation.

[@TWHowl]

It doesn’t get worse though, it keeps an even “decent” vibe, w highs and lows throughout. The ending was pretty good. I hated the live tunnel change too, but I understand a lot of the pacing/plot changes.

[@martinaguiluz4063]

@@TWHowl Yeah, I'm with you on that. Even though I don't really like some of the changes done here, I'm still entertained watching this.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Funny thing is I’m pretty sure the run time for the live action is actually longer than the animation or at least they’re very very close. The only reason this feels rushed is because they kept putting new stuff in to the point where they ran out of time.

[@Pooya1484]

omashu, northen air temple, jet, iroh captureing these things has nothing to do with each other but they fuse them together

[@The_Instagater]

And they lose some meaning lore wise. Like why do the refugees have the Airbender gilder tech when they live in Omashu? They had it because they were at the temple. Firstly because the temples had the gilders and secondly because it made moving around the AIR temple easier. It's like living in the center of New York and having a tractor. No reason I can't I guess but why would I? Jet basically flew off the handle trying to blow up Omashu because he saw a fire bender. Yes he was a spy but blowing up a city because of one spy that YOU and your crew could have just taken out or forced to talk? A village own and inhabited by fire nation is one thing because they can be seen as on their side but an earth bending nation that has fought against them actively? Why go against your biggest allies in such a way? While the iroh scenes were nice they just threw him in when neither him or zuko I believe had anything to do with any of the other three plots originally.

[@BradleyBurke-lv6of]

I completely agree, the way they mashed together random episodes took away from world building, character development, and the entire plot of the show, it also made it extremely hard for me, a seasoned fan, to follow. I can not imagine how confused I would be if I hadnt seen the cartoon before watching the original.

[@derrickbattle6368]

The Cave of Two Lovers was mashed in the episode as well and that is suppose to be in book 2

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

For me it's ashame they fused them together but they actually did a pretty good job executing it. Definitely expected worse when I realised what they were doing at the start.

[@misslilmeow_meow]

What i really really liked was what they implemented with the backstory to Zuko with the 41st squad was really heartbreaking. It showed another aspect to how Zuko is just a good kid at heart

[@jibberish00]

Out of the all the changes they made, there were changes that I liked, some I was indifferent to, and some I hated. Adding a little zuko backstory was one of the good changes imo.

[@blackjackjester]

I dislike that, as it once again cuts out the character growth. Zuko didn't grow, he was a good kid the whole time! Absolutely trash. Zuko was not a good kid. He idolized his father and would do anything to live up to the expectations - including horrible acts of cruelty. It took a lot of traveling with Iroh, a seasoned combat veteran and one of the most powerful and dangerous fire benders, but realized the monks path to redemption. Only through becoming the father to Zuko that Zuko actually needed to step out from the shadow of his actual father. In the end, both are redeemed, but neither could have without the other.

[@chrisbullock8158]

​@blackjackjester well not really... his mom was always there to soften him and when she dissappears he loses that coping strategy but hes constantly out of balance until he learns by the end of the show.

[@aruk4972]

@@blackjackjesterzuko does speak out using the newly recruits as suggested by old general in the cartoon (ep “the storm”)? live adaptation just added division 41 being his ship crew

[@Nyfeee_RL]

​@KaiserReinhard1000% it rly showed character from Zuko. Also, Aang name dropped Kuzon. Very well written episode (apart from the cgi when Aang walked to the ledge ontop of the firenation wall)

[@AerithGreatGospel]

Part of the charm of ATLA was that these were kids who were tackling adult responsibilities while dealing with things that normal kids do. It's realistic for a kid to want to have fun, especially a kid like Aang who is basically in a brand-new world. Aang had the right amount of seriousness and goofiness in the animated show. He was focused on his task as the Avatar while also taking time to enjoy life and be a kid. It's a shame to hear that Netflix chose to just water down an amazing series because they wanted to create the next Game of Thrones.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Aang in the cartoon was terrible about that in the first season up until the fire temple he hated being the avatar and actively tried to avoid it

[@DeputyFish]

yes. because again he's a kid first avatar second@@wintertrooper7918

[@tdarassp]

Which is weird, because GoT was successful because of Seasons 1-4, and failed with Seasons 7-8. Very much feels like they're aiming for GoT 7-8 rather than 1-4, because those were where all of the nuance and intrigue were found.

[@Aros4]

@@wintertrooper7918that also made him way more compelling because it really nails down the fact that this is a little child that was suddenly put the weight of the world in his shoulders and its pretty heart breaking because he really just wants to be a little kid but the circumstances don’t allow it

[@slygrandpa]

@@tdarasspnot really i disagree, i think GoT seasons 1-6 was some of the best writing i’ve ever seen. and i hate that it’s disregarded because of the last season. was it bad? no. was it good? no not really. but it doesn’t take away from the 6 seasons that was absolute perfection and storytelling.

[@paudj_]

There is one key point wich I love from this live action, the plot they did around zuko's crew and how they end up calling him their prince. Feels like a really important moment for zuko given how much influence does trying to live up to "the heir" means to his life.

[@coderaven1107]

That sounds really good, when does it happen?

[@etaithegamer1560]

Episode 6​@@coderaven1107

[@paudj_]

@@coderaven1107 Ep 6

[@mikadotakimura]

Yeah. Episode 6 was its strongest point. Other than that, all the other episodes were pretty ehhh

[@odil7583]

@@mikadotakimuraEpisode 6 was its peak, but Episode 4 was also great.

[@TheKrazeeLadee]

The final episode, without exaggeration: "We're at the Northern Water Tribe, now we can learn advanced Waterbending." "No time. Fire Nation's here. Katara, you're a Waterbending Master now." "Oh neat. Let's go."

[@mesadrums375]

The actor who plays Zuko was surprisingly great. I liked most of his scenes

[@jordanidell]

i love the actor who plays zuko!! i’m not sure if you’ve ever watched pen15 but hes the same actor that plays shuji in that show. hes so incredibly funny

[@jibberish00]

Yea he was good, not all of what he was given was good, but I think he did a solid job as an actor.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Even his grunts sounds like Zuko from the cartoon. Honestly, Zuko, Iroh and Ozai's actors are great on this show.

[@ishtarbruh9172]

So far, every fire nation scene is great. It’s the main 3 that concern me.

[@jackreynolds975]

@@ishtarbruh9172I think it’s the poor writing that messed things up, actors feeding off scraps

[@aliakbarzade230]

Katara did not go through the development and just girl bossed her way to be called a master! They even changed a line from the show when Zuko tells Katara "You found a master, haven't you?" now she replies with you looking at her. which is BS one water bending scroll does not make you a master!

[@alexlun4464]

You're right but you're ignoring the time jumps from episode to episode. I understand it's been months from the moment they found aang to when they reach the northern tribe. Also don't forget Katara is a waterbending prodigy.

[@MrSirFluffy]

@@alexlun4464 Yeah, but prodigy's still have masters and the fact Katara didn't have one was lame. It doesn't even add to the story for her to be her own master, as Paku was still friendly by the end. The Katara arc in the North was done terribly.

[@aanyamallick7747]

@@alexlun4464have we forgotten what Pakku said?? “Raw talent isn’t enough”

[@prashil3k594]

Exactly!

[@MsFated]

@@alexlun4464oh it’s been months? Lmfao I didn’t even get that impression i thought it was like days to week or so in time jumps

[@Simon-is2xd]

One of the things I missed the most was the gang just having downtime. This felt line action 100% of the time but soem of the shows charm was when the gang was just flying or setting up camp and talking. It also made the action much more enjoyable when it wasn’t the whole show

[@w1697_anit0]

Ye i feel like they kinda got rid of the filler scenes so it makes sense in the netflix format

[@RlVlN]

Yeah also not being able to get a lot of appa moments but I’m sure he was pricey to have. One of the downsides of live action

[@peptobismol3949]

It’s definitely bc they had to fit a lot of the story into 8 episodes

[@papaxota4725]

Tiktok generation is averse to fillers

[@stephengrigg5988]

​@@w1697_anit0that's not "filler" though, it's important character development and relationship building. You pretty much lose the ensemble cast by doing that, and that's one of the main things people loved about the show.

[@HobbesHobbiton]

Bro, I *knew* this show was gonna be rushed af during the scene with Aang and Zuko after the "blue spirit" rescues Aang. In the animated series, Aang told a short story while Zuko said nothing but here they had a whole ass "we're almost friends!😊" type of talk

[@MrSpookShire]

Katara with a beginner's level Waterbending scroll apparently makes her a master...

[@shooterDisease]

Dude it had the waist-high wave water bending move that alone makes her a full fledged master /s

[@serhad9589]

@@shooterDisease oh no she learned the iconic waist-high wave, someone stop her she'll kill us all !

[@martinaguiluz4063]

Well, to be fair... Gran Gran told her that the scroll contained some advanced water-bending techniques. It really wasn't a beginner's scroll. I'm also pretty sure that it was the same in the og show.

[@zohairjafar383]

@@martinaguiluz4063 they visit a small port city iirc where she finds a water bending scroll that is pretty advanced and both her and aang use that to learn water bending from it. this is where they run into the pirates iirc. they skipped over all that though which is hilarious

[@martinaguiluz4063]

@@zohairjafar383 I know that they skipped the pirate stuff. I was talking about the scroll itself. In both the live action and in the og series, the scroll was actually pretty advanced. It wasn't a beginner's scroll like the comment was implying.

[@ZonoYT]

To me, it's always a red flag for any adaptation that approaches the source, like it's a problem that needs solving.

[@IncubiAkster]

Every adaptation is a problem to solve. Cartoons do not translate 1:1 to real life, they look stupid. You have to change it.

[@offdeez21]

100% agree

[@owene2530]

​​@@IncubiAksterthey definitely meant it in a "lets change everything that could somehow be perceived as controversial or topical or offensive to any extent" way. They don't approach the source with reverence, they look at it like something that needs fixing.

[@flubbajubb4958]

Just because they’re trying to do things differently doesn’t mean they’re trying to fix a problem, if you keep things exactly the same in an adaptation then there’s no point in making it in the first place. The whole purpose of an adaptation is to see a different creative mind’s take on a pre-existing story

[@velraven8944]

The problem is hollywood writers. They fail upwards, always, instead of having to make it to the mainstream on the basis of the products pure quality, people with no talent get handed existing IP's and have the delusion to think they can do better, when really they're just too stupid and too out of touch to even understand the material or audience in the first place

[@TAPTENPAREY]

Zuko noticing Katara being better at bending and saying she found a master is ridiculous because Katara didn't take any lessons from Pakku up until that point and now the other deciples calling her "master" too like, she still hasn't gone through a single lesson in the show wtf

[@whitewolf-cy8gq]

Then Katara says “you’re looking at her” like bro no!!! Katara trained with Pakku made him realize his sexism was wrong like wtf

[@blacksiren18135]

This is part of why I think the live action failed to do well in balancing the source material while also making its own additions. You can’t keep dialogue like this that was in the original show when it makes zero sense in the live action. I can’t tell if initially they planned to have Katara train with Pakku before fighting Zuko but cut it so now this dialogue is out of place or if they just genuinely put it in without thinking about the context.

[@curtiszyr]

They don’t care about character development. She takes no pride in healing ability. She’s not sassy

[@jonathanvenit9103]

Aang didn’t even learn water bending at all either lmao

[@jibberish00]

It’s just because that’s what Zuko says in the original and they wanted to keep that line for some reason even though it doesn’t make as much sense with all the cuts

[@Rablax]

Aang episode 1 (LA): Who are you? Where am I? Aang episode 2 (LA): Katara let's smash

[@Liendros]

When they said they wanted to appeal to GoT fans, apparently they meant season 8 GoT fans.

[@aaronlandry3934]

Game of Thrones was leagues above this Netflix budget remake. Can’t even afford Cosplay level makeup or contacts

[@titanmaine6291]

Lmfao

[@abovexero]

lmaoo😭

[@RLStine13]

so...nobody 🤣😭

[@RobinsMusic]

Wait they said that fr?? First of all that’s dumb second of all it absolutely is nothing like game of thrones

[@DYVISH_1999]

I think Sokka was the only actor I actually believed and forgot he was ACTING Zuko was well acted and Iroh too.

[@samhilton4173]

Zukos actor was awful lmao. Irohs wasn't terrible but the script and direction couldn't be saved. Lol

[@johnbarber3572]

​@@samhilton4173 lol iroh had no cadence to his speech. Awful script dialogue

[@DYVISH_1999]

@@samhilton4173 thing with zuko is that he really is that childish and immature and evilly cartoonish at the begging so the exaggeration the actor had for Zuko wasn't really that weird for me personally, plus Zuko grows throughout the story specially in the fourth book.

[@lustandluster]

@@samhilton4173Zuko’s actor literally acts the same way Zuko did in the show lol

[@Mrjohnnymoo1]

Nah, Sokka, Ozai, and Suki. Especially Suki….

[@NerdyBernie66]

One thing that bothered me about the show was that everyone introduced Aang like he was fighting in the WWE. "The one who will bring balance, the hope for the world: the Avatar."

[@Alino-]

Imagining Aang fighting Ozai while John Cena's theme music plays is pretty incredible.

[@thespaldo]

AND HERE COMES THE AVATAR WITH A STEEL CHAIR!

[@brendanb2982]

Zuko even calls Aang the " Ultimate Warrior " early on

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

*AND HERE COMES THE AVATAR WITH A FOOKIN WOODEN STAFF*

[@vanillaoreo251]

WATCH OUT WATCH OUT WATCH OUT

[@whybeegee]

One thing I am happy about was the cabbage man still being there and being passionate about the cabbage

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

It would have been better if they sliced the dialogue in half and let the audience pick things up. Instead of Aang saying "I'm just a kid that wants to play!" Let him show it, put him in a scenario where he chooses to go with his friends or to Gyatso.

[@vikkran401]

And this show is supposedly more "mature" ... It really says a lot when apperently adults are dumber then kids and can't understand any subtle visual details or character emotions.

[@deathbybiscuit]

Maybe have him run away from the heavy responsibilities that were suddenly dropped on him. Just a wild suggestion I just came up with. Seriously tho, I still can't believe how much they butchered Aang's character in this. He's barely recognizable.

[@kyberstudios7358]

lmao when Aang said his whole spiel in episode 1 about how "I'm just a kid who likes to goof around and play airball w my friends" I couldn't help but burst out laughing. I can't believe THAT was the best an entire team of professional writers could come up with in terms of establishing Aang as a kid trying to fill shoes that were too big for him

[@Dan_Tasty]

They only did it once on Kyoshi island, yeah but of a misfire. The whole first episode sets expectations very low

[@Martyrules]

I thought it was funny when Gran Gran just went into full Avatar opening dialog episode one nearly unprompted lol

[@callumdash41]

the cabbages scene was all i was hoping for and i got it.

[@Cespar997]

They left out screaming mouth frothing guy from Kyoshi Island though. Unforgivable.

[@pewpewpandas9203]

I was worried they were just gonna leave us with the blue balls from the first couple times it was referenced. Glad they released the tension.

[@Nikx-youtube]

I loved the 41st Division backstory and why theyre on zuko's boat. It actually made sense end I loved that it showed irohs happiness when zuko was welcomed back on board. Because he realised that was something zuko did all by himself, by speaking up about the plan and showing his good side. The sets were amazing, the bending was greatly paced. i loved they kept in death scenes, made bending actually feel more important to me. Those were some really good things for me, sadly the bad things outweighs it for me......

[@xXcoolguyXx2011]

I liked that too but there is a plothole in that only the captain just learned that information yet the the whole crew knows for some reason.

[@alexlun4464]

@@xXcoolguyXx2011 calling it a big plot hole is a stretch

[@MrSirFluffy]

@@xXcoolguyXx2011 I mean, it's very easy to assume he tells them. Not much of a stretch. However, would have been better if they did it in a circle like in the show where Iroh addresses the crew. Kudos to the addition though, one of the few gems the show added.

[@xXcoolguyXx2011]

@@MrSirFluffy he doesnt tell them because in the exact scene iroh tells the captain zuko arrives. I gues you shouldnt really think about this stuff but it does annoy me a bit.

[@mcfabuloso]

moist just said that the live action gave too much information and you're still clueless 🤣

[@spencerblanchard2071]

Is no one going to talk about how Aang never really waterbends in the first season? He did it so much in the animated show, the first book is called "Water" for a reason.

[@Wingsaber]

Aang flying in his first scene killed me considering actual flying (not gliding) is super rare among air nomads, similar to lightning bending.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

I don't think he was flying in that manner. I think he was just using air to lift himself up. That, or this was a blunder on the producer's part.

[@chotamayo7454]

he was literally gliding not flying

[@DrMocktopus1]

He wasn’t flying, he was falling with style!

[@themaskranger177]

@@chotamayo7454 it took any and all danger away when zuko shot his glider off. He can legit fly without it lol

[@jibberish00]

@@ibrahimihsan2090intentional or not it really looked like flying, like an astronaut in zero gravity.

[@renegadepaladin2822]

Costume designer deserves a reward for all the effort. Amazing costumes for almost every character.

[@VoloxTV]

The costumes are fantastic. Some people complain about them looking quite pristine, but I don't think every fantasy setting necessitates that the characters don't wash and mend their clothes, *something they do in the cartoon*.

[@Cayde-6sHorn]

​@@VoloxTV I can understand not having them actively repair their clothes, but at least make them look like they've been worn before and not brand new.

[@domino_201]

Almost. The fire nation masks look pretty cheap

[@thenewbobross4866]

The thing I didn’t love about the costumes is they all looked REALLY good, like too good. Everyone is wearing very nice clothes, even in the areas of the world that are a little more poor everyone is looking like they have to dress their best for that day. Felt a lil less genuine and lived in for me.

[@BertNL007]

They never get wet it's mid , stop exaggerating

[@swxrn]

First the new "Percy Jackson" series and now this live action as well, I can't handle the exposition ANYMORE 🤣

[@MrGulpin1]

Percy Jackson was so bad 😢And now Avatar

[@ThePilleroflightning]

PJO could’ve been so much better…too much exposition and the lotus casino was so disappointing

[@ThePolarpop]

​@@ThePilleroflightningpjo honestly wasnt that bad, especially compared yo the movies, but man the lotus scenes were disappointing

[@matmoy692]

@swxrn gah, stop expositing on how you feel about exposition - you're doing my head in! 🤭

[@RobinsMusic]

Either people are getting more stupid or tv producers think people are and it’s annoying

[@PGLS25]

what really strange is that they already have a lot to cover from 20 episode alone to make it only 8, yet they add some arc from season 2 like azula and the love tunnel..

[@BraydonAttoe-xs4yg]

The 2 lovers tunnel wasnt s2.... was it?

[@KingWFA]

Gran gran’s their exposition machine. Every piece of dialogue she held was exposition

[@danielthorrens9626]

Not to mention her awful delivery

[@A1Steaksauce58]

Couldn’t help but laugh when she said the opening from the original

[@Nixyhasgoats]

Everytime she spoke I got extremely annoyed. Zuko should’ve been the one to say that he’s the avatar in shock without any other exposition like the original series

[@Kaiserfi]

Gran Gran felt like a Skyrim NPC when she talked lol

[@josereyeshero]

​@Kaiserfi skyrim npc would have been better tbh

[@metro04]

Aang not waterbending at all is like how in the first Harry Potter film, Harry doesn’t cast a single spell 😭

[@wills9705]

But was it really that important in the 1st season of the cartoon? Not really. It's a few scenes. I can see why they would cut that out. I'm expecting they'll really dive into his water bending training at the start of next season.

[@shooterDisease]

@@wills9705 Of course it’s important they go to the North Pole specifically to find a water bending master for both Katara AND Aang not just Katara it’s why the season is named Book 1: Water

[@wills9705]

@@shooterDisease Please realize that Season 1 of this series is not called "Book of Water". This series is an adaptation of the entire Avatar series. I don't think you can look at it through the lens of one season. Or expect it to be a 1:1 translation of the cartoon. In this story, he was rushing to the Northern Water Tribe to help stop the fire nation after Kyoshi warned him of the danger. A completely different motivation than the cartoon. I bet he'll start his water bending, training with Paku, at the start of the next season.

[@shooterDisease]

@@wills9705 You said ‘was it really important in the 1st season of the cartoon?’ and it was And if it’s important in the cartoon then it should be given some level of importance in the adaption and not just pushed off for a later season that is not even confirmed yet

[@b__w_4565]

@@shooterDisease it was a few scenes cuz, relax. lol yall are just wishing it was the exact same show in live action......that would be too boring im sorry. he doesnt water bend that much in season 1 my guy.

[@Chesslover69420]

It's not the same without the "Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked"

[@smittyjjensin558]

Gran gran said it in the most wooden expository line

[@RaffDGoat]

Gran Gran said the intro word for word and it felt so random 😂

[@LuisSierra42]

@@smittyjjensin558 that gave me intense cringe

[@TheBfutgreg]

The funny part is GRRM style shit would've eaten that up voraciously

[@TIM3THI3F]

@@LuisSierra42 Fr lol

[@cobano9953]

The fact that aang doesnt practice waterbending once pisses me off

[@entendu_620]

I think the biggest flaws are the massive rush job(which makes every thing else fold under it from exposition dumps constantly, to skipping character building), and something that really stands out is the cinematography. The characters always stand in place and dialogue often goes from one face to another and back. They feel like they are standing in a room and cannot move or it will effect the background.

[@mofadel]

😂😂 lmaoooooo

[@kyleareyouserious]

yeah the part you said about them dumbing it down was spot on fr......felt like every line was spoon fed to the point where there was no guessing of what was to happen next

[@alexlun4464]

Yeah it was pretty stupid on their part to do that. Avatar's big success also comes from it touching mature themes while remaining a kids tv show. They took two steps backwards dumbing the plot for the adaptation.

[@bigboy3454]

They destroyed everything that made Azula awesome. We wanted a confident, intelligent, sociopathic fire princess. Instead, we got insecure jealous tween.😭

[@nerdslayer1416]

My biggest complaint too. She was so lame in this one.

[@joaquim2metros]

I somewhat agree, but I did enjoy how she challenged Ozai towards the end of the show and showed that she was confident to go out into the world

[@WanMemeTong]

she was insecure and jealous lmao

[@GayLittleWizard69]

Yeah, I wanted to see a psycho, and Mai looks kinda chubby, no?? Tai Li is fine as is.

[@mikadotakimura]

Azula is pretty chubby for someone who’s supposed to be training martial arts every day

[@TAKOHUMU]

The writing is actually incredibly meta, they're making the show for future audiences who won't have media literacy and the entire plot being spoon fed will be a major hit

[@PizzaLord6969]

The cartoon had 20 episodes that were 20 minutes long = 400 minutes While the live action had 8 episodes that were 60 minutes = 480 minutes The live action had almost an hour and a half longer of screen time not to make the show feel rushed while combining and skipping episodes. So I don't think not having enough screen time was a problem.

[@derg6222]

animated and live action motion pictures have a very different kind of pacing. also most of the episodes aren't a full 60 minutes, more around 50 minutes and the credits are hella long. it is right though that the Netflix version manages to feel rushed and to skip major parts and even add in some unnecessary crap all at the same time.

[@noahahlers4977]

They needed like 14-16 episodes for book 1. Or at least just follow the cartoons storyline. Their bringing characters that show up from season 2 and 3, already in the first 3eps

[@Xpert599]

Episodes have starting points and end points no matter how long they are, so trying to merge roughly 3 cartoon episodes per one live action episode was never going to turn out as well as anyone wanted. This is not me defending the show through, because even with this I think they could have done a better job.

[@DeputyFish]

that should mean that the cartoon should have less. because theres more end points.@@Xpert599

[@boredape1986]

They added content. They added extra scenes from the cartoon. They made it feel different

[@razzlemekazzle]

the fact that the shows whole runtime is longer than the animated show, but still manages to be so rushed and have awful pacing is crazy. Also them saying they had to cut things out from the og show because there's "not enough time" is so funny because they in fact had more time if anything.

[@Attackontitanfan143]

They rush through all the scenes that are from the cartoon and add all these extra unnecessary scenes like iroh and the soldier talking like we don’t care about that soldiers history he and the rest of the soldiers all have a story and wanna take their anger out but we don’t need to see that fleshed out.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

They wanted to add stuff and to add stuff, they needed to take more time and cut off some good stuff.

[@kingnathannn207]

How does the netflix show have longer runtime than the animated show? Am I missing something bc I coulda sworn that the animated show is like 1400 minutes and this netflix one is only like 450 minutes

[@Zanroff]

@@Attackontitanfan143 But, we needed to see Aang flying though... you know... like in the cartoon....

[@ZeallustImmortal]

​@@kingnathannn207Book one is only about 440 minutes. We arent comparing the entire 61 episodes to 8 episodes.

[@justaregularuser79]

For the past several years Hollywood has been giving signs that they hate animation. This constant need to "remake" and "reboot" animated shows, video games and films into a live action. Making changes that turn the story into something that's unrecognizable from the original because the writers thought they could do a better job or "fix" something.

[@adanl129]

I don’t think it’s anything as complex as an irrational hatred for animation, I think it’s just a lack of creativity. They don’t have any new ideas so they look at these beloved animations and decide to try and copy paste the success by resurrecting it in a different format. Just corporate ignorance and greed plain and simple

[@shadowdemon2272]

Just for comparison, are there any examples of live-action media being remade in an animated format, whether they turned out good or bad? (Asking legitimately) Edit, based on feedback: The Animatrix Broadly speaking, superhero genre adaptations, like TMNT, the DCAU, the Spiderverse, the Boys, etc Tekken?

[@IncubiAkster]

Using a known IP is free money and a safe bet. Simple as.

[@jacobfrye3614]

spiderverse is the main exception to that rn

[@justaregularuser79]

@@adanl129 I agree with your point, too. Lack of creativity is definitely a key problem.

[@LonelyPandaz]

i couldn't watch after gran-gran just started reciting the entire animated intro word for word

[@ruthanne1741]

same dialogue for this show is so cringe

[@Artemis00Night]

@@ruthanne1741at least they didnt repeat it for every episode for 3 seasons straight

[@bazsux795]

​@@Artemis00Night My guy it was the intro what did you expect 😭😭

[@sussett]

The cringe bending was strong

[@tannerpayne4384]

I thought that was a nice call back

[@TIM3THI3F]

The way they told him he was in the ice for 100 years and how they found out he was the avatar was soooo bad!

[@NStarks007]

I mean, he's the last Airbender. It's pretty obvious. The old ones would know instantly

[@TIM3THI3F]

@NStarks007 I don't feel like you understand good writing and feeling connected to the characters. If you've seen the original show, you would truly understand how badly they did with the explanation in the live action

[@rasenganmaster101]

@@TIM3THI3F they didn't do it awfully by any means, it wasn't as good as they did it in the show, but to say they did it awfully, christ the overdramatics there

[@actually_decent.]

150 ppl disagree@@rasenganmaster101

[@Needler13]

​​@@rasenganmaster101nah, it was very bad. No drama here, it was bad

[@okayrenaa]

i don’t like how azula wasn’t as evil as her character actually is. i also don’t like how in the secret tunnel… it’s just sokka and katara..

[@curtiszyr]

Ozai isn’t evil or cold blooded at all lol man has a good heart deep down 😂

[@chrismicke89]

Uuug I know! In the animated series, She's a Psychotic narcissistic lightning infused Menace! The kind you love to hate and gives off a really intimating aura. And in the Netflix version she's a baby faced snot. Honestly I don't know if the direction or casting was worse. You CAN NOT listen to her dialog much less look at her round cute face and think "yeah that's Azula"

[@sienissa]

@@chrismicke89 Azula has round face in the animation too. And you only remember how she was at the end of the animation, when se goes full mad. She is not like that in the first book. I'm pretty sure she will be alright and crazy later on when it fits the story and how she will slowly lose it.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Incest tunnelllllllll

[@viatlas4835]

​@@sienissa No Azula always presented a bit of her sadistic and manipulative nature from the very beginning. It's subtle but Nickelodeon trusted its viewers to understand nuance unlike Netflix where Azula is just a mean girl archetype. Bc she's not just mean, she's twisted and evil.

[@WaynesWorldStudioVancouver]

I work on the set, I can tell you the open scene with the village is crazy, the details of the building, floor and props. The soldiers costume were hand painted nd stitches! Much appreciated the artists of each department put through! Finally I did enjoyed the show!

[@dalminehoff8985]

You guys did a phenomenal job. Kinda sucks charlie didn't have alot of great things to say without comparing it to the cartoon

[@christiandiaz]

I think the writers definitely succeeded in capturing the essence of seasons 7 and 8 of GoT.

[@zakimubarak7862]

😂

[@actionboi05]

😅

[@hassaansyed124]

Absolutely foul xD

[@DPowered2]

which is even funnier because they wanted it to be like GoT for god knows what reason

[@-taz-]

Ouch!

[@CrypticKnight10]

Why do all companies think that making a live action remake always is a good idea? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[@Deathmare235]

Tbf the expectations for an avatar live action isn’t really high

[@KodaiVibes]

this was gas you’re tripping lmao

[@silverhawk8699]

Because they crave money above all else, if _done right_ (key words there) they're very profitable projects. But most of them are too greedy/impatient/incompetent to realize that honoring the source material is what will make it the best live action it can be.

[@snopdogg2x]

To appeal to a new audience.

[@Mvgical]

One piece wasn't bad

[@Broooadsword]

Here's the crazy part, the cartoon has a run time of roughly 400 minutes, when you cut the intro and the "previously" recaps, this show had roughly 400 minutes when you got the opening episode intros, plus they removed the great divide episode which is an extra 20 minutes so somehow even with roughly the same run time it still felt rushed...

[@derg6222]

animated and live action motion pictures have a very different kind of pacing for some reason that's difficult to grasp. strangely enough Netflix version manages to feel rushed and to skip major parts and even add in some unnecessary crap all at the same time.

[@renziie2804]

do you mean season 1 of the animated show has 400 minutes? or the entire 3 seasons?

[@Сашка-ш9м5ф]

@@renziie2804 it's only the first season. 20 episodes, roughly 20 minutes each

[@hugo3627]

@@derg6222 I think animation is generaly more efficient time wise because every second you add increases the cost of making it by a lot which is not necessarily the case for live action. I don't think this explains the difference in run time though. They just added a lot of exposition dumps and unnecessary fight scenes, while removing the natural character interactions that secretly gradually reveal the backstory. A lot of scenes in the original show had multiple purposes, funny hijinx, character progression, world building. While in the new show its just exposition for a couple minutes, then a fightscene that adds very little besides "then they fight". It is just less efficient.

[@Skmoer292]

I think the major difference is the episode count. 20 episodes just allows for so much more story than 8 even if they technically were the same length in total. I think it would’ve been better if they made 16 thirty minute episodes that way they could have taken their time and do more one off character growth episodes like the original series.

[@11TwilightAlchemist]

The thing that bothered me the most was Aang giving himself up to the ocean spirit. Aang being a pacifist is a big part of his character and him choosing to give himself up to the ocean Spirits has different implications than the ocean Spirit taking over him. Aang's spirit is supposed to be unbendable, which is why he was able to succeed in defeating ozai without killing him. But with him willingly giving himself to the ocean spirit and annihilating the Fire Nation Fleet means that he gave up a part of himself to achieve that victory

[@dalminehoff8985]

He did it to save another race of benders from being wiped out. Pacifist or not he is the avatar and will do what he has to do when the time comes

[@itscris1973]

Is that not what happened in the cartoon tho? Aang gave himself up as a vessel for the ocean spirit. He willingly stepped into the water with the fish.

[@thelastcrow5660]

Friendship was easily one of the strongest aspects of the original show. Remaking Avatar and toning down the development was honestly the worst thing they could've done. It's the same reason why the Legend of Korra failed for so many people. Every season was a separate story and there was very little time (beyond a stupid love triangle) for the characters to form an actual connection.

[@goddessrick8734]

The LoK "failed" for those ppl bc they didn't acknowledge they had a double standard for it being more nuanced sequel. To this day you can't criticize ATLA without ppl saying but it's a kids show but the same ppl will mercilessly critique LoK despite watching the entire series. The relationships were fine older and more mature in LoK. A bunch of kids goofing around during a 100 year war is very off putting in comparison.

[@emtee2925]

@@goddessrick8734 Rewatch how Asami and Mako get in a relationship, and how Korra starts getting a crush on Mako and then reread your comment. There was no development or connection at all. Mako does nothing but insult Korra on screen before she starts developing a crush on him, despite them having hardly any time together outside of the sport team practice. Korra was overhated, but even critically the character development was just way off.

[@martinaguiluz4063]

That love triangle only lasted for 2 seasons. There were some genuine friendship moments in seasons 3 and 4, so that criticism is kinda invalid.

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

​@@goddessrick8734"nuanced" is the last word I would use to describe Korra. It literally ended with a giant mech battle and Korra X Asami just spontaneously being gay together and going to the spirit world.

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

​@@martinaguiluz4063it only lasted for 2 seasons, in a show that is 4 seasons long. That's half the show!

[@MrMo-zf4ul]

The general vibe I got from the dialogue was "This is Katara, she's got my back..."

[@stephengrigg5988]

Doing the old "tell don't show" because they cut all of the downtime and character interactions.. that's just hack writing