Moist Meter | The Last of Us 2

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The Last of Us Part II (2020 Action-Adventure Video Game) developed by Naughty Dog and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment as reviewed by Charlie and Jackson.
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[@ayyylmao101]

I'm still mad Ellie and Dina didn't acknowledge the horses' death. SHIMMER DESERVED BETTER

[@calebmaceachern3598]

Yeah fr wasn't shimmer ellies horse ever since she's been in jackson

[@beanzuwu]

*angry Arthur Morgan noises*

[@TheArmidillionAire]

@@beanzuwu I reloaded my save and grabbed the backup horse. Aint nobody killing my boi Tomo.

[@omu6740]

@@beanzuwu lost my black arabian, nugget. shit hurted

[@DaSourOrange]

@@beanzuwu yeah right. Arthur's horse died and he stopped to say goodbye to it while being fired at and close to death where Ellie and Dina never talk about it again

[@barer7717]

Last Of Us 3 Plot leaked Abby gets an infection from being stabbed so many times in dirty water. Abby dies. Rest of the game is just flashbacks on how the water came to be dirty.

[@ky9826]

Sounds better than 2 tbh

[@ElementVoidX]

still a better story than TLOU 2 hahaha

[@rxeadn123]

I'd be down for a game that leads into the events of TLOU1. They could go in detail into Joel's time as a smuggler with Tommy, Tommy joining the fireflies, Joel meeting Tess etc.

[@zukio6088]

Then the backstory about the water being dirty is that Homer threw his pet pig's poop into it lol

[@CHICKENNUGGETSKOON]

@@zukio6088 joel actually drank that water which is what made him dumb enough to tell abbys group his name and location. it all makes sense now

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

imagine Squidward didn't punch that guy with a pizza at the end of Pizza Delivery after he make spongebob cry

[@FartCity-WorldDomination]

Even more sad than TLOU2s story line. How

[@weepop8291]

That episode where Mr. Krabs accuses squidward of stealing his dime and squidward going homeless because of it, living in a cardboard box made me sad. TLOU2 however, I felt nothing

[@calebe5596]

Spitting facts bruh

[@ammagon4519]

I would be really pissed lmao, I mean they're already taking away Squidwards "humanity" in the new seasons.

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

Don't you be playin with my emotions like that!

[@rizzen0248]

I like how Abby never even tells Ellie that she killed Joel because he killed her father... Like wtf

[@rileysevern1968]

Why would she?😂

[@TheDisturbingPanda]

Things like this in games and movies annoy me. Especially in horror movies, there are often moments where people just don't give information that can potentially change the villain's perspective

[@rizzen0248]

@@rileysevern1968 Dumb question.

[@Jmcelwain17]

@@rileysevern1968 EXTREMELY dumb question.

[@HerrDurkslag]

I mean would it have changed anything? I knew that and it didn't make me want to kill Abby any less, doubt Ellie would've just squashed the beef after realizing he "had it coming" lmao

[@kingpinpasta2934]

Imagine the Bride in Kill Bill after she’s kills all of the Deadly Vipers she gets to Bill the architect of her family’s deaths and she like “you know what Bill? Revenge is bad so I’ll leave you alone.”

[@dinovangowan658]

@Invader Jet Instead of blowing his heart with awesome martial arts she could blow his mind with bad writing.

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

@@dinovangowan658 The bride puts down her Hattori Hanzo sword and picks up a pen filled with shitty ink.

[@noegallegos6722]

SHE KILLS BILL? SPOILERS

[@mylesthompson4485]

@xXx_EpicGamer_xXx it's a joke you gourd

[@RetroBacon1]

The issue isnt that she didnt kill her after the entire journey. In fact thats the best way to go about it, but hthe ending does not feel earned at all.

[@danylopolishchuk1748]

Imagine Price having a hug with Makarov in MW3 instead of killing him

[@aggil661]

Price and yuri chasing makarov up the hotel and sparing makarov despite him being the reason why literally everyone of his friends is dead. Cuz revenge bad. You think Price was thinking of all the people he killed leading up to that moment? No he wasn't.

[@sunmakergg]

The Martha effect lmao

[@tannhauserr]

They chase makarov thru that building just to hug him

[@Omega4Productions]

I mean, in all fairness, Price didn't kill Makarov JUST because of revenge. He killed him because he was also responsible for starting a world war.

[@shmadie_5668]

Red Centurion revenge for starting a world war

[@lich109]

The "revenge is bad" angle doesn't even work with this game because the person who gets revenge gets to walk away with a loved one, whereas the person who gives up on it loses everything.

[@alierk542]

THANK YOU.

[@OnionMilker]

Yup so they just goofed on themselves

[@sopaipillasss]

yea, people hate the ending because Ellie wanted revenge and could have gotten it, but Abby took SOOOO MUCH of Ellie. Abby went out of her way to go and try and kill Ellie, Dina, Jesse and Tommy, almost kills Dina, kills Jesse, then has the fucking nerve to say "Dont let me ever see you again" bro wtf???????

[@NeroYui]

Holy snap that's true, i didn't even make that connection, the entire message of the game is thrown in the garbage at the end because of that, jesus christ what a horrible narrative

[@azura6804]

man revenge worked like charm for abby, she murdered joe and ellie even saves her after thats just stupid

[@grandmagertrude7676]

I don’t think I’ve seen Charlie tear into a game this much in a while

[@assdonkey6540]

Cuase he’s gay

[@fibonacci-dilemma3675]

@@assdonkey6540 says ass donkey

[@toastytoast9800]

@@assdonkey6540 that dildo collection makes sense now

[@ethandonaldson4306]

@@assdonkey6540 really got him there 💀

[@KUBADUC3]

@@assdonkey6540oml💀

[@TheRealCarlBrutananadilewski]

Imagine John Wick where he goes through the entire movie killing mobsters but at the end he spares the guy who killed his dog.

[@deathstrike9959]

Damn that’s a actually a good comparison that would have ruined the movie entirely

[@TwinXlyric]

Exactly like this game lmao. Abbie took everything and In the end she gets away with revenge and Ellie gets fucked over and loses everything. This game sucks ass

[@matthewpunk2012]

Leftist John Wick.

[@soapandbutter]

or if Thanos didn't snap at the end of infinity war.

[@LaMarkBall]

and john wick isn't exactly a hero either. it's implied in the movies that before the events of the first movie that john was a killing monster. and he still is.

[@lewisnorth1188]

Can't wait for The Last of Us 3 where you play as the cousin of the soldier that killed Sarah and you have to kill Tommy

[@Funnii_666]

we will play as a orphan puppy (because Ellie shoots her entire dog family) in search for her for vengeance: The last of bark.

[@sebastianmartin8665]

Lmao smooth

[@jimmynomanners6091]

I actually snorted at this comment

[@SMQ7]

😂😂👌🏻fucking true

[@Bleax]

That would actually be a better end for Tommy than they gave him

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Basically if the Punisher forgave the people who killed his family. "The Forgiver"

[@Oneiros433]

true

[@sergueileonardoafonin7950]

Only after he killed all their friends and family mind you. "The Guywhocan'tmakeuphisgodamnmind"

[@readlater8962]

- Directed by Neil Druckmann

[@raychangalarza179]

Yeah

[@rentalsnowman8009]

How are your comments everywhere? And how are they 100% of the time super high rated. Wtf are you.

[@rishabhchauhan9477]

"Its ok Sub-Zero, I forgive you. -Scorpion 2009

[@israelwilson4022]

“I’m sorry scorpion, It was quan chi not me” sub zero (Bi Han)

[@PapaToks]

It's sad that Arthur's horse had a better death.

[@WrdToMymfTimbs]

Bro I cried when my horse died, me and le4che went way back lol

[@princetchalla2441]

RIP my horse named “Pinez” spelled in 1337, stayed with him the whole game

[@_trashmandan_2903]

😂

[@imjustgooder8898]

R.I.P. horse

[@SynsaySama]

I named my boy Sebastian. Best horse in the world. 😭

[@jmb9040]

TLoU Part 3: Some random NPC goes full John Wick trying to avenge his dog ellie killed

[@Sunrise1781]

You basically spoiled the whole plot for Part 3, shame on you! 😁

[@theshooterflynn]

@@Sunrise1781 plot twist, we play as the dog's now-adult puppy going on a revenge-murder spree and starting a civil war between feral cats and badgers along the way as we sniff and hunt for Ellie.

[@BeretBay]

Honestly, that would be better story as long as they do it right. That could be a cool new protagonist for an entirely new cast. If they completely start over in III, that would actually be a decent buy. lol

[@Mehmet-ok9ns]

Plot twist: We are going to play as a transgender furry in The Last of us Part 3

[@Mehmet-ok9ns]

@Possibly your mom who knows...

[@skeleton599]

You’d at least think Abby would have shown a little mercy after Joel saved her life, but no she ain’t even got that 💀

[@beardalaxy]

not to mention she just kills the first dude she comes across named Joel even after he risked his life for her. what a shitty fucking character.

[@johnnysunshine6550]

He killed her father she wouldn't even have been in that town needing to be saved if he hadn't killed her father

[@dudeimgeorge]

Jesus that concept could've been a remarkable struggle in the story. To have her battle her hatred... ultimately killing him but more complexity

[@lumi3333]

@@johnnysunshine6550 her father was going to kill Ellie. Well deserved

[@johnnysunshine6550]

@@lumi3333 and by killing ellie he would have saved thousands of boys and girls

[@mattyice2099]

Imagine playing through the game expecting an epic death for Joel, only to have a girl kill him with a Manscaped Lawnmower 3.0 that she got on sale from charlie's sponsor.

[@bigchungus7050]

I absolutely expected him to die but not like a bitch

[@fluidwolf]

Honestly I think he didn't even have to go out epicly but at least have him be in character for it. The entire plot point is so contrived here and just about every party is a complete idiot during it all. The lead up to his death contradicts so much of what we know of him and doesn't do anything positive for his character at all so it feels hollow, pointless to a degree, and hateful.

[@Zambrano2199]

@@fluidwolf They held the idiot ball for way too fucking long.

[@liuner2479]

@@bigchungus7050 Pretty much everyone expected Joel to die, but the situation leading to his death doesn't match his character at all. >Joel is a cautious man who is very experienced with ambushes, so much so that he can spot one in an instant in the first game >Joel doesn't trust anyone, he even scolds Ellie for giving out her name to Sam and Henry in the first game >Joel knows that he didn't kill all the fireflies in the first game, and that they knew who he and his brother are >Despite this he doesn't use an alias, and he gives his name out to complete strangers >He also lets his guard down entirely around a group of armed strangers, instead of keeping his back to a wall or staying near a door, he stands in the middle of the room >Despite Jackson having bandit attacks, Tommy tells this group of strangers where they live and inviting them to come get supplies >After Joel says his name the entire room goes quiet and tense >Instead of decades of survival instincts kicking in and having Joel fight or flight, he awkwardly says they act like they've heard of him >Tommy is literally positioned where he should see Abby getting the shotgun, yet he doesn't say a word until after Joel has been shot and falls The writing is fucking awful.

[@onlyyas8522]

@@liuner2479 big facts

[@deech8539]

Idk how the writers thought it made sense for ellie to go on a murdering rampage in Seattle and when she got to abby she just didnt have the balls to kill her

[@obamacheck3567]

I thought of it as when Ellie finally got her goal right in front of her, her revenge rage and adrenaline wore off and finally realized what she had done to get to her, and her leaving her to live was less “I’m being noble” and more “what’s the point?” I’m only hearing these pieces from spoilers, I haven’t played the game yet, and according to a lot of people’s opinions, I could still be let down

[@Dojyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan]

Obama Check you will be, better to save $60.

[@spacedog2535]

Obama Check, but remember, if you end up not liking it- you’re a transphobic, homophobic, bigot. It’s better not to touch the thing with a 20 yard stick.

[@lzerith3139]

@@obamacheck3567 I would totally understand if it was not for something that happens literally 10 seconds before she chooses to not do the deed. 🤦‍♂️

[@jari32]

@Erykaldo 120 I don't know. Looking at those sales. It's going to be 60 dollars until Black Friday.

[@BladedAngel]

Honestly, the nameless AI have more compassion for their fallen comrades than either of the Lead Characters.

[@danolix]

XD

[@siyacer]

Modern supercars look the same

[@tylershep4220]

Oh, but some of them do have names, evidenced by the fact that their friends scream out their names when you shoot them to make you feel bad about yourself.

[@jorge8596]

No Miata 0/10

[@drakefrom2011]

holy shit you're here

[@dr.deadpool5959]

The flashbacks between Ellie and Joel were more emotional than the present storyline especially when Ellie finds out the truth

[@JohnSmith-wh2ob]

Could’ve expanded on how their relationship changed and adjusted seeing them her struggle with forgiveness seeing how much joel loves Ellie like WHY DID WE NOT FOCUS ON JOEL AND ELLIE AGAIN then last of us 3 concludes the story after joel dies at the end of 2 or something

[@Logo1770]

The fact that there isn’t a single character that dies to a zombie in a zombie apocalypse game is crazy to me

[@pizzaowl1305]

The telltale zombie games were pretty good tho

[@magnatcleo2043]

A zombie apocalypse game where the zombie apocalypse is irrelevant to the plot . . . perfect (not really)!

[@longagaming9208]

@@magnatcleo2043 The thing about zombie apocalypses is that people are more dangerous than zombies

[@magnatcleo2043]

@@longagaming9208 Humans should never be so much more dangerous that the zombies become irrelevant, as there would be no point in still having the zombies as a threat.

[@twistedwasp8862]

@@magnatcleo2043 have you seen Night of the Living Dead? George Romero himself (credited father of modern zombies) said that zombies are more like props or plot devices designed to further the story. Humans are the monsters as survival often means killing anything that threatens that idea.

[@fierysmile2929]

Normally, I like angry Charlie, but this isn't angry Charlie. This is anguished Charlie.

[@Chadronius]

Punished

[@joelbroadcastinggroup7991]

Charlie has ran out of anger

[@Keanucreams]

Get this man a bandana and an eye patch

[@dylang1138]

he's not mad, just disappointed

[@koralreef1198]

Fierysmile punished “moist venom” charlie

[@gilla2092]

"I did not want to see a sequel. What they did wrapped it up perfectly in the first." THANK you.

[@sonicmania6753]

Disney sequels in a nutshell.

[@noone-rt6ib]

Lmao mlg reddit

[@scottieyusuke]

Oh my god someone finally put it to words

[@TechnoMinarchist]

@@sonicmania6753 I mean Star Wars could've had good sequels if Disney tried actually expanding the universe and took some tips from the EU. Did episode 6 need sequels? No, but it could've been done properly and it wasn't and that's the real tragedy.

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

I agree except that they "shouldn't tell more stories in the universe" I think tlou could be like the walking dead, were it tells multiple stories from different people. Dont think they can top the first game, but imagine 100 days but in tlou world. I'd love that.

[@scottnukend]

70% of Naughty Dog QUIT the company after Uncharted 4 released in 2017. Including TLOU's creator, Bruce Straley. We should have expected this garbage. Hitchhiker Druckmann just tried to pull a Konami and pretend like he was the one that created everything, he ignored Amy Hennig and Bruce Straley entirely. Your review is the best on the internet Charlie.

[@KUTOU-qi7jo]

Damn 70%😲

[@jozefnowak6797]

One of the most underrated comment. I agree 100%. People tend to forget that Bruce Straley was also one of the Game Director of the first game...

[@captainalex157]

Yeah Naughty Dog is dead. Sad, beacause Uncharted was my favorite game series. They had it all and they threw it away.

[@OnMyWayToAsakura]

Good comment.

[@sebastienlezin9057]

Amy Hennig literally had nothing to do with The Last Of Us. Also that 70% figure is complete nonsense

[@gibbygibbstein7858]

Imagine if one of the random Storm Troopers that Han Solo killed had a kid that wanted revenge. This is tlou2

[@chiragshetty02]

Arent the storm troopers clones?

[@axisliving8063]

@@chiragshetty02 No. While there was a minority of clones in the Galactic Empire's forces, they were largely phased out after the Clone Wars.

[@frankenstein6677]

It would have still made more sense than the Disney canon.

[@drmangler6475]

That would still make a better story than this mess of a game, especially with Dave Filoni directing it! Also, there is kind of a story like that in the Star Wars universe. A kid's father is killed during a crossfire with rebels and The Empire. The kid grows up, joins the Empire then kills a man after the man kills his commander, then is shot by the little girls father. The cycle will then continue and brings the stormtrooper peace and a smile when he looks at the little girl.

[@bigafroman4277]

Or if they were pregnant

[@lawdaddy7455]

I don’t know... Having zombies in a golf game is a little too ambitious for me

[@bilon5998]

F

[@BGTech1]

Yes

[@xXgodofwarXx]

Why is everyone calling it a golf game

[@Symora]

@@xXgodofwarXx golf

[@internetexplorer8588]

Not playing the kino mini golf game in Dead Rising 4

[@pblmrt]

Imagine if Tony Stark didn’t snap his fingers and had shawarma with Thanos

[@user-tq6fx7tl7e]

Captain Marvel or Dr. Strange wouldve came in action.

[@bobbyrayvictory6905]

@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII and then ate him.... Savage

[@taq1361]

lmao

[@trev-the-beast]

This is probably one of the outcomes Dr. Strange saw.

[@thetimelords911]

@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII Assuming the level of injury caused by the snap is proportional to the wish power, Tony Stark might have actually lived to eat him lol.

[@someguyinazoo]

Basically the main theme of the game "Revenge is bad,except the villain can have it"

[@crazyinsane500]

Kinda an uncomfortable theme given the writer/director pulled some Weinstein shit at the company. Gee, I fucking wonder *why* he'd be insistent on the villain getting away with their horrible actions and the people wanting them to pay for their crimes are treated as the bad guy.

[@maccheese4557]

Abby literally lost everything the wlfs, her dad her friends she literally only had lev but Ellie has dina, JJ, Tommy and Jackson ville u can see when Ellie leaves she doesn't have on the bracelet dina gave her but when she gets back to the farm house she does when it zoomed In on her hand there both in the wrong the u can't say Abby just gets away with her revenge even though she obviously didn't I feel like u didn't play the game

[@crazyinsane500]

@@maccheese4557 That's not only not a punishment, given they died as a result of trying to kill Ellie, that's something that happened to *other people.* The narrative of "she lost her friends" only makes sense if one considers people property that's an extension of one's self, and not independent beings. Which, gee, someone who's done some Weinstein shit at Naughty Dog might *genuinely* think.

[@Jerome7-v5u]

@@maccheese4557 A problem with the game was that Abby COULD have gotten away with it but chose not to for the sake of plot. Also, Abby lost everything because she saved her enemy, she does this twice. Difference between her and Ellie was when Ellie is stripped of what she cares for and does what Abby does, the game demonizes that, while praises Abby for taking the same path.

[@pug6322]

@@maccheese4557 you flip abby's dad in joel's position, where abby was immune and they were gonna kill her for a cure, you really think abby's dad wouldn't have done the same?? Meanwhile abby losing the wlfs was her decision cause she chose to help lev and yara knowing that wlfs and scars are enemies. Her friends dying was the consenquence of her seeking revenge and dragging them into it. The line where she said "We let you live and you wasted it" was one her dumbest moments cuz of the fact that she expected ellie to not seek revenge as well. I mean if she can seek it what makes her think that ellie won't? most of what happens to her in this game are her own doing.

[@criticalf0ll0w16]

Ellie: kills basically everyone is about to kill main antagonist Ellie: woah I was about to lose my cool I'm sorry

[@f10pped36]

Kills a pregnant woman on top of that

[@andresdeleon5994]

Fl0pped _ can kill a pregnant woman but not the person that she killed because of

[@nopium9627]

She kills a pregnant woman?????

[@JV-ie4rh]

Ballbo Bagskins yea

[@kameronjones7139]

@@f10pped36 2 for the price of one

[@6ixlxrd]

Imagine Luke being killed by a woman whose father was a Stormtrooper on the Death Star when it blew up.

[@callum6224]

I can, because Star Wars is terrible. This game wasn’t that bad

[@TheHolySemiColon]

Honestly after the shitshow that was the sequel trilogy that definitely sounds like something that could have happened

[@vortex_1336]

I think that would have been better than what we got.

[@axe7665]

Isn't that Mara Jade's plotline, minus the fact her father figure is not a stormtrooper but the emperor?

[@ElementVoidX]

@@callum6224 true the game was much worse.

[@FinalStarman95]

I can't wait for The Last of Us 3 where Ellie gets beaten to death with a lacrosse stick in the first 2 hours of the game.

[@liuner2479]

Plot twist: Abby sets out a revenge journey for Ellie.

[@thatoneguy4108]

She forgot to lock the door and the revenge got in

[@antitroller101]

A lacrosse stick. Nah not vengeful enough, now boxing gloves, DAT will get the vengeance flowing

[@scottiecurrie7927]

Nah Ellies dead dude. She committed suicide in the woods at the end. The voice actor for Ellie was booted out by Neil as well

[@eetein9704]

@@liuner2479 Now Abby is mad bc Ellie had spared her. Do you see the importance of making friends kids? kill bad friend good. now that I look at tlou2 this seems possible

[@NotUp2Much]

My favorite part was when abby said "it's abby time" and dropkicked Ellie out the window. Truly the game ever.

[@rishit1120]

my favourite part was when joel says "so many people got turned into zombies, now there are only the last of us"

[@rockycuro7737]

Not funny

[@realwhelan]

@@rishit1120 and proceded to last all over the place

[@thehabit635]

@@rockycuro7737 yes funny

[@rockycuro7737]

@@thehabit635 this joke is overdone

[@catchifyoucan232]

I don't think I've EVER heard so much heat and anger in Charlie's voice.

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

i bet you never watched his rainbow six siege livestream clip while he screams at toxic players

[@bigtuna300]

@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 he didnt scream. He just said he was a inbred loser lmao

[@jesusvelazquez1861]

55% yikes

[@austinvanderveer213]

Charlie was famous for not ever having an emotion, so you know this game is a betrayal.

[@tabbyarts3670]

catchifyoucan232 Ever seen His Cockroach Battle cry?

[@KingDusk278]

Imagine John Wick killing everyone except for the guy that killed his dog

[@memes_r_underrated]

I was literally about to comment this 😂

[@art92]

This!!!!! Lmao

[@RobsQuest]

Just because John Wick sees the face of his dog.

[@d.1262]

Don't forget the person who killed his dog becomes a main character and beats the crap out of John Wick leaving him to miserably accept it and let it go.

[@michellecieoffi4846]

Yeah. That's like traveling across the country to save humanity and then not doing that at the very last minute because you have daughter issues.

[@MrMejia187]

I think the main issue is that Abby was absolutely shoehorned. I would've been okay with a few playable segments but they hammered you over the head with her. Even gave her the most exciting and interesting sequences of the game to Abby instead of ELLIE ! After 7 years, Ellie felt sidelined..

[@RobertJohnson-nz3xm]

Not only that. They made it so that you wouldn't like playing as her. By day 3 I was kind of liking her then you are forced to fight Ellie. By the time I was in Santa Barbara with Abby and Lev I was just done with playing as her.

[@jhanks3]

@@RobertJohnson-nz3xm you only have to play as Abby for like 10 minutes in Santa Barbara

[@maboilaurence8227]

This. This is my problem with the game. They really want to subvert your expectations and make Abby grow on you, but the entire time I felt like it was so obvious they didn't even try to hide it, i was just so bored with her segments.

[@theworld6710]

Shoehorned? It’s not Ellie’s game with parts of Abby, it’s about Abby and Ellie. Ellie absolutely wasn’t sidelined. She has like half the game, and likely more time than Abby considering Santa Barbra.

[@somethingofascientist7084]

Absolutely legendary how the scooby movie has a higher rating than this

[@lancethedecayedguardian2719]

Yeah because at least that movie kept true to its roots lmao

[@cam_sus]

lol

[@phantosis6373]

Scooby Doo is always a classic and they didn't step out of boundary with it's story

[@doughboyjimmy4644]

That kinda happens when people review bomb something

[@linkron9746]

@@doughboyjimmy4644 oh, please. A review bomb is undeserved. TLoU2 clearly deserves the shit scores.

[@fellowcomrade7357]

Imagine Lee finding Clementine's kidnapper and then letting him keep her and The Walking Dead game series ends like that.

[@TheRainBros1]

I compare Joel to Lee a lot THAT'S how you send off a character. Not go 400 yds with him on a tee lol

[@proackse]

or clementine finding out who killed lee, killing an army of people to get to him and then letting him go (btw I know lee wasn't killed by someone but its an example)

[@penguinjay]

imagine if you spent 8x as much money on brokeback mountain, you don't know what that is yet, and you were promised Red Dead Redemption 2, but you realize after putting a lot of time into the beginning of the story, around hour 10 you're like, THIS IS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. SHIT. And the girls never come, and the western you were promised is half assed Red Dead Redeption 1 shit plus it manages to disrespect characters and shoehorn in stupid shit as well. That's how it must feel to purchase this game.

[@NinjapowerMS]

Imagine playing Red dead redemption as Ross and at the end of the game Jack wimps out that revenge is bad but of course after Ross shooting some fingers first.

[@Daniel-bb9qj]

The way that they killed off Joel is like if Obi-Wan got killed at Mos Eisley by those thugs

[@henrikung4489]

Daniel don't know who mos ebiley was. Which mean you are on point.

[@john_6232]

Daniel Or if the younglings killed Anakin

[@Jackmaaaan]

Or like Barristan Selmy would be killed by some random thugs. absolutely ridiculous. (fuck d&d btw)

[@redjux04]

henri kung he's the alien that han solo kills in the bar

[@Vain8484]

@@henrikung4489 Mos Eisley is a place not a person

[@crunchybrazilnut3861]

10:15 are you kidding me , the combat is significantly different they didn't just improve it they nearly completely changed it , obviously some aspects are similar

[@Slithering-Pyro]

The only real things they added are dodging and crawling. It's true they change the combat from just monotonous button mashing, but it's still not impactful enough to make it fun.

[@crunchybrazilnut3861]

@@Slithering-Pyro 2 each their own I suppose, but they did also add a stun mechanic as well

[@FPSvolter]

Game: she was pregnant, you must feel even worse Me: Oh shit double kill

[@mynameisbarryallenandimthe5685]

Triple if you count Owen

[@ninjabaiano6092]

*Colateral*

[@windblade988]

3 for 2 deal on that sale

[@Orange-wf8wh]

Transvaaler 52 Kilimanjaro

[@ashkanhooshmand6518]

😂

[@_xxahmedxx_5396]

Abby: "You took everything from me!" Joel: I dont even know who you are...

[@dimyell]

Ah yes, the copied and pasted comment.

[@wgm4866]

wHo ThE fOok iS tHaT gUy?

[@MrDbzguy]

go back to reddit

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

@@MrDbzguy Go back to Twitter

[@khai6775]

@@edgarallanpwned6666 go back to discord

[@jy4266]

The Last of Us Part 3: Hundreds of characters are seeking revenge for every person that Ellie and Abby have killed.

[@Luna-mo4bp]

Then its theme is Kill no good unless you big hulk bolk girl mmmm hulk bolk girl

[@ordjk4797]

You just gotta wait another 8 years or so

[@cobra8888]

HalJo Dav The Last of Us Part 3: The Search For Schlock.

[@griffith4723]

And then don’t kill either of them

[@griffith4723]

jorryn parks nah how about they cut off their own fingers

[@Blaster835]

Imagine after Arthur's death you continue as Micah

[@Leadoff2006]

That actually would be pretty cool

[@Blaster835]

@@Leadoff2006 to each their own

[@pinkkfloydd]

@@Leadoff2006 Uh, no.

[@Leadoff2006]

@@pinkkfloydd you don’t think it would be kinda cool or like crazy if you play as Micah for a little while, instead of being John in the epilogue you are Micah and you get killed

[@kar12894]

Last of us rabid fans would eat it up because Micah is neither gay, a woman nor a gay woman.

[@Segadrome]

Imagine Kratos finally finding Zeus, and NOT killing him.

[@koppunch]

And we also have the fact that GOW CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A LESSON ABOUT HOW REVENGE IS BAD.

[@evanvincent9356]

Sir.Anthony So true 😂

[@marksayosmejia7251]

Gow ps4 kratos: the cycle ends here Then i started gow trilogy Gow 2 ps2 Zeus: the cycle ends here.

[@koppunch]

@@marksayosmejia7251 GOW is the perfect example on how revenge can cause a chain of events that you cant escape.

[@shotguncleric]

*SIR NOW YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR WITH THIS HERESY*

[@DarthMagister]

Imagine not killing the icon of sin because revenge is bad

[@rageinducer2455]

The longer Abby stays in seattle, the swoler she'll become.

[@kylelongjohn837]

😯

[@pugasaurusrex8253]

“You cannot smash a whole onto the skull of Joel” Objective: Smash a whole into the skull of Joel

[@source.mydelusions]

somewhere in nevada

[@ficoh634]

@@rageinducer2455 i swear her arms grow bigger every second i stare at them

[@romondoto2630]

"You can go zeus, just leave" *kratos*

[@BeretBay]

"You're right Iosef. It _was_ just a dog. Don't do it again." *John Wick*

[@redmarine2717]

i think the best revenge game is GOD OF WAR cause in the series kratos didn't care if revenge is bad or not he just wanted his revenge and then in GOD OF WAR4 you see the impact of his past

[@jasonalv7436]

@@redmarine2717 that's how you do a revenge story, show the impact of revenge instead of the complete opposite

[@redmarine2717]

@@jasonalv7436 yes

[@blackdynamite_5470]

_"I'm not gonna Kill Bill"_ ~The Bride 2020

[@panzerkampf92]

If Ellie never went after Abby the second time, it would have been a way better ending

[@igotbigbrain7089]

I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH, you don’t understand. I hated the fact that the game made me go through all that, 27 hours( i’ve looked) killed all of abby’s friends, got beaten by abby, went home, started a family, etc. And then they just try to extend the plot further by making me go through all this other stuff in a whole new area just to not kill abby. i would have been more than satisfied with staying home with Dina and having that be the ending, they unnecessarily extended the game and that was just a huge downside, honestly didn’t even feel like playing it anymore

[@JH-dr4xo]

If anything, when Joel’s brother came to the farmhouse with Abbie’s location, just have Ellie agree to go then. Instead she waits like two days after he leaves and then decides to do it

[@Zapdos97]

Considering Ellie's mental state was getting worse I don't think so. At least both are alive and recovering

[@m0ristiko]

true

[@darthsand1085]

Imagine the Punisher finding the people that murdered his family only to sit down and eat a picnic with them.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

You know, he probably could've. With some lengthy but dry dialogue about the corporate America and that the fish rots from the head. And then he would've cut their heads off with butter knife.

[@NucleaRaptor]

@@shmekelfreckles8157 I'd read it.

[@JollyWanker]

It's like John Wick finding the guy who killed his dog and not killing him. It's like Arya finding the Freys, who were behind The Red Wedding, and letting them live. It's like Eragon finally meeting the Ra'zacs, who killed Brom and Garrow, and not killing them. It's like Vegeta defeating Frieza, the man responsible for the extinction of his entire race, and not killing him. Someone write down even more examples of why Ellie sparing Abby was fucking stupid

[@Someguy029]

@@JollyWanker Revenge stories ending in forgiveness or at least letting go of one's hatred is a fairly common trope and not inherently bad. See the Revenant for a somewhat recent and well received depiction of this. Leo lets go of his hate and chooses not to kill the man who murdered his son and left him for dead; he chooses instead to let nature decide the fate of people after a brutal fight, not unlike what happened here. Citing stories wherein the protagonist takes revenge instead of choosing to forgive doesn't further your argument that it's stupid; it just makes you seem young and not well read.

[@xbigbubba6944]

It's like John confronting Micah after he killed Arthur and then just tipping his hat and walking away.

[@TheSamburglar]

Imagine Taken if Liam Neeson found his daughter after torturing and killing all those mobsters but then decided to just go home and let his daughter be a sex slave because he realized that “revenge is bad.”

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

And then the main character becomes the son of one of the mobsters and kills Liam Neeson and the movie acts like Liam was the bad guy all along

[@kleberson777]

imagine Agent47 killed all the people except his target and then decide to called it a day

[@peterfrank3365]

Poor comparison. Mills wasn't going for revenge, he was trying to rescue his daughter. 'Taken 2' dealt with revenge themes but it was forgettable flick.

[@jac6548]

Honestly, if they pulled off this "revenge is bad" theme in a nuanced way, this could've been the Citizen Kane of video games. Part of me admires them for going for the big haul. Too bad video game developers have the storytelling ability as a down syndrome Michael Bay

[@animelytical8354]

Lit

[@ishavedoffallmyhair]

Imagine if Clementine went to confront Lilly about kidnapping her friends from the boarding school but when she got to Lilly’s boat after aggressively and brutally murdering every single associate of Lilly, she said “Nah it’s cool you can have them.” And left.

[@czar17_28]

One thing I couldn’t help thinking through this ENTIRE game was how much better and logical Clementine feels as female protagonists.

[@priyanshu1667]

I don't get this reference, explain

[@darthmalgus3043]

@@priyanshu1667 telltale walking dead, and say please next time

[@dixienormus2802]

That's the thing. Clementine sneaks into the boat, finds out her friends are captured and even tortured, and you still can choose whether to kill Lily or not; all while having its own consequences based on your choice. Honestly the last of us 2 was just a depressing unfocused waste of time narratively.

[@ahQtr2006]

Czar17 _ her development was awesome, since season 1 and season 4 the plot was all connected till the very end. plus other character development such as kenny, aj and lilly was really great and its what really made me like twdg

[@Steel_]

This isn't a sequel. *this is a million-dollar fanfiction*

[@Mmw956]

over sexualized weird sjw fan fiction

[@sneedandfeed]

Preach my man

[@arenkai]

Oddly, that's how I called the Star Wars Sequels and GoT Seasons 6-8

[@omiorahman6283]

how dare youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[@Steel_]

@@VincentDeAda ayyy

[@evanmildrum897]

The best part about tlou2 I thought was the flashback to Ellie and Joel at the museum. That whole part was great.

[@AAA-hd5dv]

Meh I mean without context it wouldn’t mean much and it feels like that’s the demographic that liked this game the ones who didn’t play the first one and feminists

[@indieoregano]

@@AAA-hd5dv bro what

[@AAA-hd5dv]

@@indieoregano the new game is shit

[@carsoncampbell6792]

@@AAA-hd5dv did you play it?

[@AAA-hd5dv]

@@carsoncampbell6792 no and it doesn’t matter

[@wildspirewarrior211]

I'm just saying if it was Ellie who died Joel would've beat Abby to a pulp before tossing her into a horde of clickers then proceed to wipe out the Wolves.

[@rattlepapi2022]

I like your version of the game

[@d0x3e]

John wick in this bitch (Joel wick if u will)

[@buser99]

This is better than naughty dogs vision please buy the IP and delete the second game and remake it

[@Pedowood]

That actually would have been a very solid revenge story. Joel kills Abby's father and then Abby kills Joel's surrogate daughter and they proceed to wipe each other out until they've lost everything. Would have driven the 'revenge is bad' motif way better than this shit game.

[@o.Struggler]

@@Pedowood this is it

[@nikothecat4500]

You know a game has fucked up when Critical releases his longest Moist Meter to date

[@Meowblivion]

my man 👏

[@hodb3906]

Yeah. I’ll just watch the streams and playthrough of other youtubers because I don’t want to buy this dogshit game.

[@moedbz]

@@hodb3906 dog was naughty, dog shat all over us

[@KoryLunaa]

And the fact that he sounds a lot less restrained and deadpan, he seems alot more pissed in this one

[@JohnSmith-df6oi]

The Last of Us 2 is the Gaming equivalent of Game of Thrones Season 8 and The Last Jedi.

[@stepkickking9868]

I can’t decide what’s more pretentious: The Last Of Us 2, or IGN’s review of The Last Of Us 2.

[@Porygonal64]

Or the people on twitter actively defending the game. "LeT pEoPlE eNjOy tHiNgS!!!!1!!"

[@theuprising2216]

"it really makes you feel like ellie 10/10 ign"

[@ashwinc3789]

People actually listen to IGN reviews!?

[@jjthepayaso951]

@@ashwinc3789 just to shit on them

[@sleepyrowdy1826]

"This game has a golf minigame!" 10/10 -IGN

[@OmarAmir-w4m]

I love how when Charlie starts talking about how beautiful the game is, the camera starts glitching around the environment, prolly some comedic timing

[@Mallador-ed4eq]

“The real revenge was the friends we made along the way.”

[@amanroy6086]

Amen

[@FoB952]

Literally.

[@lavans5721]

*friends we killed

[@RanOvaT]

Abbyn

[@RanOvaT]

@@MCLJN85 Asking why something is funny is the dumbest thing ever.

[@videogamebomer]

Imagine if the Arizona ranger with the big iron on his hip let Texas Red go

[@masonnevling1761]

Underrated comment

[@Comuzzy]

That would have make me wish for a nuclear winter

[@AbysswalkerD]

That would be the darkest timeline

[@oZyn]

Well ain't that a kick in the head! How lucky can one guy be?

[@hisholiness4537]

I killed her and she killed me

[@TylerCalderone]

Imagine if you start the game playing as Abby, get to know her and her allies. Play hours into this revenge plot only to realize right at the end that your target is Joel, then it swaps to Ellie.

[@jgw9990]

That would have been better tbh, but it still would've pissed people off as you wouldn't be playing as Joel/Ellie

[@victorprati7908]

or something like that fight between A2 and 9S where its up to you to decide

[@TylerCalderone]

J gw it would be a bit of a MGS2 situation yes but so long as you still play the majority of the game as Ellie I think people would look at such a decision favourably overall. Doesn’t save this game but just shows that reshuffling certain ideas could improve it.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

They could have literally cut the game in half and flipped the order and this game would have felt 1000 times better

[@webbr17]

This idea would be 10x better.

[@RaycastAF]

Finally someone says the truth. The graphics, combat and set pieces were amazing. Everything else falls flat completely.

[@ikhalid1418]

revenge is bad. but killing hundreds on your way to get your revenge is absolutely okey, as long as you don't get your revenge.

[@Blade6061]

Exactly, you kill a hundreds of people that have nothing to do with your revenge, but when you find the one who caused it, you should let them go. Such a shit idea.

[@dirtclodboi]

Hahaha

[@garlicmayonnaise8615]

Lmao the people screaming "cHaRaCtEr dEvElOpMeNt" are overlooking whether said character development is done correctly.

[@ExperimentalHero]

Very poor and lazy writing

[@HollowContact]

The game makes you question killing those npcs, even if you have little choice. It's why they start calling each other by name, and let you play ball with the dogs you previously slaughtered

[@dogemcdogeface7901]

You know shit is real when there’s emotion in charlie’s voice

[@manuelinacio4038]

So true

[@choodle9729]

as someone who doesn't like TLOU 2 this is more of a rant than a review lol

[@choodle9729]

I agree with him though

[@miguelangelmachaj742]

Imagine if Thanos got all the infinity stones just to not snap his fingers.

[@ReptarTheUgly]

What if Thanos did snap his fingers but there was no fixing anything. Haha

[@sotszkin5542]

Jaime Ruiz Neither if he not snap. Haha

[@kyplaygaming]

Yeah it be more like thanos kills everyone and the avengers are like “no revenge is bad”

[@matiaspereyra9375]

Imagine him being like "Not worth it"

[@cheifwaffle]

This comment is everywhere

[@f-14enthusiast63]

Hearing Charlie talking so passionately about this is genuinely inspiring

[@Vinyltoast]

Imagine playing hitman and killing all the NPC's but leaving the target and calling it a day.

[@hehexd3692]

You kill everybody but yamizaki and soders, then soders attacks you with his golf club after his heart surgery while yamizaki spits on you

[@deadspiderjmortal2604]

Did you see the angry joe video too.

[@general_wanobi2973]

Ah yes callmekevin playing hitman

[@ainsleybbc]

Imagine god of war but kratos spares zeus and then goes home to play his guitar

[@JayfroC]

To be fair, Kratos would probably have a pretty badass guitar

[@Aureliryus]

@@JayfroC Probably a flying V

[@eleternauta2640]

Holy shit someone plz draw Kratos playing a guitar!

[@WeGotTheMacInTheStu]

But he can’t play his guitar because Zeus zapped off one of his hands💀

[@gavinbrown1159]

Hold on griffin gaming will copywrite you

[@f1sheyeUwU]

A Korean streamer broke his copy of the game after jole getting golfed scene

[@imakkoh1828]

Then played Mario kart

[@4skintim962]

Those PlayStation disks are the weirdest things ever- you can bend them and they won’t be damaged at all but once you put a pair of scissors to them they turn into butter. I learned this from purchasing the last of us 2

[@tximistarissole]

What's worse was that apparently his dad had recently passed away so I bet that was tough 😞

[@amadeuschavez.]

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[@amadeuschavez.]

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[@ryancochoit2774]

I completely agree with moist. Dude never misses

[@elementsounds7027]

He missed in rdr2 moist meter

[@Thatman6676]

This is the biggest miss ever hellen keller wouldve had better aim than this.

[@elementsounds7027]

@@Thatman6676 i played this game and i was dissapointed. The landscape and all are so cool like in the first one and i liked the winter theme in the first missions but it was boring and story sucked. I guessed from my mind what happens next on the game

[@Thatman6676]

@@elementsounds7027 your just mad cus joel died arent you

[@elementsounds7027]

@@Thatman6676 No it could have been done better but even before the game came out i knew he dies on the second one. It was very boring with badly written story. They didn't change much in the mechanics which for me is lame because it could have been made cooler and more interesting without changing much or completely changing the mechanics. It was very predictable not only the story but how the game went in my playthrought i predicted usually correctly everything that happens next. And the reason why i sniffed it wasn't going to be good is because in many cases the second game is worse than the first. Lastly in the first game it gave alot more life to the story that Ellie was a kid and you had to help her to go to each thing like for example getting over water with a raft. I dont say it should have been on the second game i just personally liked it.

[@justicet6487]

This game literally makes you forget you are in a zombie apocalypse

[@whippyfunnyman]

Bruh facts

[@TheKatera4a]

The zombies were there as a joke. There aren't many other games that have a core gameplay mechanic like TloU2, but one example is The Walking Dead. There zombies were a real fuckin' threat to the story. Here, they are kinda just there, watching Ellie kill a hundred people all in the name of reve- Oh wait. Revenge got thrown out of the window, because it's ''bad''.

[@jian1407]

Wait this is a zombie game? I'm sorry I forgot this was a zombie game...

[@benitoperez8884]

@@maxgarcia8019 yeah but the zombies of the last of us were unique when i hear a clicker in the game i piss my pants

[@benitoperez8884]

@@maxgarcia8019 well we will never know

[@KizaruB]

This game’s messages have the subtlety of a shotgun. Everything is so blatantly shoved in your face that the story loses all it’s emotion before it’s even over.

[@ElementVoidX]

it can't lose something it does not have, i stopped caring after Joel got his golf lesson, it was handled so poorly.

[@pugasaurusrex8253]

Alright fuck this I’m going to Dimension 23-008756V where TLOU 2 is a competent game and no one has peanut allergies

[@penguinjay]

sounds like a Jordan Peele movie. "RACISM IS BAAAAAD!" "NOT EVERYONE STARTS OUT EQUAL" and the audience is like, "no shit." Kinda patronizing to treat the obvious messages like that as prophetic.

[@KizaruB]

Pugasaurus Rex the ideal universe is one where The Last of Us is one and done. It was great on its own, terrible as a franchise.

[@wood1066]

TLoU 1 Ellie: "I'm scared of ending up alone." TLou 2 Ellie: *ends up all alone* Professional game reviews: "game ends in a satisfying conclusion for the characters." Me: what the actual F***!

[@dereksbooks]

Their checks are in the mail though.

[@spencercook6754]

"Professional "

[@gc4917]

"GNOOOOOO MY GAME HAS TO HAB AN HAPPY ENDING NOOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE IS MY" AND THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER!!!"

[@wood1066]

@MisterMooCow did you not see the ending?

[@abdur4754]

@@gc4917 damn you really didnt understand his comment

[@Mewmewmew2]

It's just a fan fiction that shouldn't be read

[@solomahoneboy4090]

People waited 7 years for this. I won't say anything else.

[@AceKilla08]

It could be worse... you could’ve waited a whole week for the Tulsa convention

[@melvinplaysgaming4030]

Ace Killa 08 lol

[@arcytek]

You think they can mess up skate 4 this bad?

[@Coolguy-ht1cx]

CactusCola if they somehow incorporate that shitty EA/madden pay-for-everything-esque gameplay then yes. I just want a refined version of Skate 3, maybe more features. No stupid shit.

[@fuegosonic93]

Duke Nukem Forever took 14 years lol.

[@razarryan2465]

So the point of the game is to murder a bunch of innocent, unnamed people but when you find the person you’re trying to get revenge on you just let them live...making all those other deaths meaningless...and everything in the game meaningless... *Storytelling*

[@hambonepng1152]

uuggh violence bad unga bunga me smart me make good story

[@thealucas7247]

The innocent unnamed people kill you if you don’t kill them. Abby, did not kill you when she could have even after Ellie kills her friends. What Ellie needs is not to kill Abby but to forgive Joel and stop the cycle of violence.

[@pollys9340]

Ur Hair wait what are you talking about

[@Tomelle_]

Told better than naughty dog themselves

[@captainobvious1415]

Yeah it’s almost like people change their minds.

[@thebravest2332]

Remember when RDR2 taught us that revenge is bad without hammering it into our head every 3 seconds, while still delivering a good narrative with multiple other themes.

[@winlover37]

Ahh the fine art of subtlety.

[@monkeyassassin21]

It's almost like subtly making you see the consequences of your actions is a better narrative device than ramming your message down the player's throat

[@matty_daddy]

Honestly a better plot would’ve been when Ellie and Joel work together to kill the person who kills Ellie’s gf. That’s what the trailers made it out to be

[@cnvrgnt]

I quoted that multiple times while playing TLOU 2 with my friend. Can’t believe they took something so trite and stretched it out to a 25 hour game

[@XyTeRx]

@@matty_daddy funnily enough dina was the one who was supposed to die., but neil pushed for joel to die.

[@Ic3h0rnEt14]

I think this game was too ambitious for its own good. The separate narratives converging and the shifting of perspectives were both interesting ideas but their execution was lacking. It would have been better if the story was told chronologically, alternating between Ellie and Abby, instead of reaching the climax then rewinding three days. I get that we were supposed to get the gratification from revenge and then realize that the cost was greater than the fulfilment, but I never felt bad for killing Abby's friends because I didn't get to know them first. I also found it impossible to connect with Abby's friends during her section because I already knew they were dead. The only death that impacted me at all was Manny's, and that's no coincidence because we didn't see him die hours ahead of time. Also, I know they were trying to draws parallels between Joel/Ellie and Abby/Lev but I just didn't buy it. Joel and Ellie bonded over an entire year during a trip across the U.S. and it took them a while to even be open to caring for each other. Abby hangs out with Lev for less than 3 days, abandons the WLF that helped her survive for years, and is saying stuff like, "You're my people!" That just wasn't believable and didn't really work in my opinion. This franchise is a prime example of "less is more." Part 1's story is not nearly as complex as Part 2's. There was too much to remember/care about in the sequel. The original (and Left Behind) were tighter, more focused stories that were much easier to connect with. All that said, the leaks spoiled some of this story for me before launch. I still played it twice to experience it for myself in context. I'll never know how I would have felt about this game if I went in completely blind. I'm not sure if I would have liked it more or less than I do now. That's my take on the story but everything else in this game is fantastic, so I can't give this game too low a score either. However, since the main selling point of this game is the narrative, I can't give it a very high score either. I couldn't agree more with 55%.

[@ajnintzel9336]

id give it a higher rating personally, but everything you said is absolutely true. Still gonna play the third game though lmao.

[@bubba2922]

Yet it won goty

[@memecliparchives2254]

Also plot armor and plot conveniences. Especially HOW IN HELL A WOUNDED ELLIE MANAGES TO GET A DYING DINA AND TOMMY AND POSSIBLY JESSE'S CORPSE ALL THE WAY FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON TO JACKSON, WYOMING. No gameplay segment of it. No explanation. Apparently it doesn't matter. What a gotcha moment. Bottomline that's just it. The game is full of gotcha moments, you can't really take the story seriously.

[@callumbreton8930]

​@@bubba2922 yes, the glorified circlejerk, how astounding

[@Jerome7-v5u]

@@memecliparchives2254 In the first part of the game Abby's group could have ended Ellie but chose not to for the sake of plot and in the final part Ellie has no reason not to let Abby die on that post. This game absolutely has plot conveniences like you said 100%.

[@masterofnothing4938]

They act like this revenge plot is the most unique story when literally naruto did the same thing but somehow better

[@DR3S1NGH]

Naruto even had a ton of flashbacks too lmao

[@RampagingFlippy030]

which is like saying a turd somehow did better, so nice job Naughty Dog, a turd beat you.

[@umersalman1]

Not gonna lie.... sasuke revenge story was nicely executed.

[@actualllyavailable]

@@RampagingFlippy030 are u seriously comparing naruto to a turd ?

[@dice3041]

@@umersalman1 he's talking about pain

[@CryCrow]

Ellie: Kills an army of people while hunting for Abby Ellie: Kills a pregnant lady Ellie: Spares the woman who kills her father figure

[@acidpilled8733]

Man* that kills her father

[@Jeff_Green]

Sounds pretty dope to me imo

[@zandoe]

Jeff Green 😂😂😂😂

[@Over9000DragonFire]

@@acidpilled8733 no

[@TheDorianTube]

@@acidpilled8733 No anymore. It seems that after the leaks they did a little damage control because the alphabet soup people went commando, so now Abbie is just a veeery jacked girl lol

[@solarishi48]

Abby: My name is Abby Joel: My name is Mike and this is my brother Sammy Abby: OK, do you want something to eat? *credit rolls

[@pepsimanv6124]

this is canon and there nothing you can do to tell me otherwise

[@HandlesSuck123]

Joel in TLOU1: **learns how to survive in a dangerous post apocalyptic world, works as a smuggler, and single handedly kills off hundreds of bandits** Joel in TLOU2: **walks into a stranger's camp** "Hi I'm Joel"

[@siaviken6112]

Joel's death was raw, real and heartbreaking........ You can argue he was being stupid, but he wasn't. he just fought with this person who literally saved them by bringing them to their group which offered them protection from the fucking 17 billion zombies hoarding you, they were friendly to Tommy and it wasn't even Joel who revealed his name, it was Tommy. Yes, you're not supposed to want to play as her from the beginning, but you probably didn't even give her shit a chance because 'waaaa she killed joel waaaa''

[@HandlesSuck123]

@@siaviken6112 It's not that, it's simply that Abby is a badly written character.

[@niberius4289]

Lmao Abby knew it was Joel before he even introduced himself. Pretty shitty writing though that Joel was completely trusting of a random crew given how cautious he was in the first LOU.

[@jerry-uj8jw]

3 years later and Charlie is still right

[@FyreClips]

nah

[@maquainferno]

Eh sure just depends on the person the writing was objectively bad but I enjoyed it more than the first, although the first was amazing aswell

[@jerry-uj8jw]

@@maquainferno fair

[@jsheaffer18]

When Jessie died I didn’t even know he died until like 20 minutes after

[@TheNintendude1997]

You probably blinked.

[@tarkkum4693]

They showed up his face when he died man

[@highlander6573]

I swear to god I literally just played through the part where he dies like 30 minutes ago and I swear i forgot that Jesse even fucking existed until I read this comment.

[@roadrunner2fastt]

Tarık Kum when he got shot I thought he was gonna get up and get into cover (because it looks likes he gets shot in the shoulder). Then a couple seconds later I said “wait is Jesse dead?”

[@tintintb1980]

I've nearly finished the game and now you've got me asking "who on Earth is Jessie?"... *edit: oh the Asian fella

[@noorrandhawa1536]

Abby: Joel Miller. Joel: Im Natalie Portman Abby: My bad *credit rolls

[@burnedout385]

😂😂😂

[@NoOne-hl2eo]

Oops sorry for shooting your leg off! You can go now.

[@James-dq7oi]

The spit in the face is that joel would never give his name out to random people

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

@@James-dq7oi "we live doWn the RoAd yOu CaN cOmE anD gRab sOmE suPPliEs bEfOrE yOu hEaD out"

[@DrRAZI99]

Lmao she was like "Joel Miller" like how the fuck did she know that ? Wouldn't be there like a million guys named joel ?

[@dancinggrenades6178]

Hello my name is Iñigo Montoya you killed my father, prepare to live.

[@tackyproduct]

This comparison would only make sense if the six-fingered man had a reason for the terrible things he'd done, and Inigo's quest for revenge had stripped away most of his humanity and positive memories of his father, and the six-fingered man had spared Inigo's life twice, and right before killing the man he hates most in the world Inigo had realized that one more dead body wouldn't bring his father back from the dead.

[@MrIKicker]

underrated comment

[@josephstalin7353]

@@tackyproduct well the six fingered man did try to get indigo killed when they infiltrated the castle

[@conesinker_4209]

@@tackyproduct "My name is Jack Marston you killed my father now I'm gonna let you go even though I killed a whole bunch of people to get to you"

[@danb7202]

Shane Maguire why are you trying so hard lol

[@TheGreatAndEpicMe]

Imagine this. The game starts of with you as a Abby, the story is framed as a revenge story of finding who killed her family or whatever, just some basic plot that is not uncommon to games. Joel and Ellie aren't mentioned at all. For the first section, all of the gameplay is with Abby. The Last of Us 2 is framed as a story completely different and independent from the first game, fooling the player the Last of Us is more of anthology series on survivors in the post-apocalypse rather than one whole story. You learn more about Abby, and become more attached to her character and past, as you have to Joel and Ellie. You play through like 5 hours of normal exploring, piecing together clues and following a trail of this mystery man who killed your family. Then, you come across Joel all of a sudden in the wilderness, work together to survive a horde. Hopefully making you think "Pretty cool that they did a cameo for Joel from the last game" but think nothing more of it. Then he introduces himself, and the story plays out as it did in this game, with both protagonists killing each others friends and family slowly, hurting characters you've built relationships with and cared about the whole game(s). I think that framing provides a more gripping story about revenge and actually teaches the lesson of it clearly, seeing as you may have actually cared about the the characters before they died. And this way, you actually empathize with Abby more, rather than just hating her outright from the get-go.

[@crazyinsane500]

Yeah, that thing you just did? We call that a second draft, something that takes the first draft and fixes quite a few mistakes and reworks things so it's viable. You're not the first one to do this and you're not gonna be the last, because this was never given that treatment before they started charging money for it. TLOU2 was a rough draft presented as a final product and it shows, doesn't it?

[@Solidsnaik]

So if they pulled an MGS2 and the story was more predictable then people would be less mad? I really don’t think so. The way it was structured seemed deliberately designed to provoke the most visceral emotion. What you call “gripping” might’ve seemed more cliche and harder to pace than what Naughty Dog was going for. I think we all would know Joel was the one Abby was looking for, so there’s no point drawing that out for 5 hours. I really don’t see that reveal carrying much weight at all just by trying to pretend that her story was unrelated to the first game. If we empathize with Abby from the beginning, her redemption arc would be much more predictable and Ellie’s choice at the end would be much more obviously spelled out as the “correct” one. I don’t think anyone who wasn’t spoiled could’ve seen any of the events coming. I’m so glad they didn’t go the pandering route with just another Joel and Ellie adventure with a touch of revenge for added drama. I’m glad this game is inspiring so many people to see if they could take a crack at laying out a better story. Its interesting its like seeing the bargaining phase if grief play out in the comments section.

[@crazyinsane500]

@@Solidsnaik This wasn't the well thought out masterpiece you think it is. TLOU2's basis is in a rejected TLOU1 plot, now commonly known as the Tess Hunts Joel plot, that was thrown out by then-director Bruce Straley. Like any other entitled artist who thinks they are incapable of anything less than perfection, instead of accepting that it didn't work and letting it die, Neil Druckmann reworked that rejected plot into a new game, without care to address the issues of *why* it was rejected and thus creating new issues along the way. Worse yet is that his attempt at ruining the characters of Ellie and Joel was just an attempt to totally torch the franchise out of childish spite because, despite rejecting his plot, the original game succeeded overwhelmingly, showing they were *right* to reject it. It's not intentionally going for the emotions you're thinking of: The writer IS just that bad. If they weren't they wouldn't have kept firing employees for picking up on that "visceral reaction" and not liking Abby.(Yes, people lost their jobs because they didn't like Neil Druckmann's OC meant to replace Joel and Ellie)

[@förtñitę0666]

that would be so predictable

[@crazyinsane500]

@@förtñitę0666 Iron Man taking the ring from Frodo to drop it into Mount Doom or vaporize it with his fire breath would also not be predictable. Wanna try using the only other braincell you have to figure out that unpredictable =/= good?

[@phet1211]

Funny enough game reviewers loved this game but fans didn’t, but with the spongebob game they hated it but the fans loved it

[@ShaunMengel]

game reviewers aren't fans. They're paid to write anything positive without actually playing. Easy money for IGN and Gamespot

[@withnail-and-i]

I respect SpongeBob because of Ween

[@Brazknuckles50]

The irony of critics and audiences

[@Trashm1n]

*money does the talkin*

[@jak3y3]

It seems audiences know more about video games than these journalists that claim to know so much. I listen to fan criticism more than actual reviewers when it comes to games. Rehydrated truly is a fantastic game, and honestly has a better narrative than The Last of Us 2.

[@TrickyJebus]

That one "journalist" saying this game is comparable to shindler's list. LMAO

[@TheZestyCar]

That's a really bizarre compariosn. 🤔

[@richardommundsen2417]

TBF he said the game is Comparable to Schindlers list not on the quality of its writing, but in the sense that media can make you feel bad, but still be a good story.

[@TrickyJebus]

@@richardommundsen2417 good story? You okay there? I dont think youve watch the video

[@Punj1337]

@@TrickyJebus He quoted the journalist..

[@caiomesquita268]

@@TrickyJebus I mean, even If he didn't It doesn't matter

[@KantFromEC]

Remember that scene in Tommy Wiseaus' 'The Room' where Claudette says "I have cancer", it has nothing to do with the story and is never brought up again?.. Thats what TLOU2 is like...

[@JorgeGomez-hx5uu]

I DeFiNItEly hAVe BReAsT caNcER

[@kuszanz6553]

That's like boon throwing up blood in remember the titans and it's never brung up in the movie again

[@TheInvincibleEmotion]

Why is Abby swole as shit?

[@dimo6994]

@@TheInvincibleEmotion i know people say she isnt trans but how can that be havent all these people seen her chest

[@MohiZidano]

Imagine Monkey D. Luffey finally finding the One Piece and the treasure is just a letter that says "Your friends are the treasure"

[@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979]

Luckily Oda said the one piece isn’t any of that bullshit but it’s a physical object

[@MohiZidano]

@@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979 you just made my day my man

[@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979]

MohiZidano I thought the one piece was the friends you made along the way as well but then i saw an article where oda said the one piece isn’t that

[@legomikey]

@@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979 yeah someone asked if it's the straw hat and he said no luffy doesn't have it

[@christianwtf2960]

To be fair I would not be surprised if that was it. It would be fitting for that universe.

[@Falloutman216]

Shouldn't the plot have been about Ellie's immunity and how they can do something with it without killing her? Or about humanity trying to reclaim the earth? It's like they forgot about the whole fungal disease that fucked up the entire earth.

[@JuliaRaven]

they kept bringing up the immunity and then didn’t do anything with it

[@dereksbooks]

It's just like real life. Social justice is more important for these people than a virus literally killing hundreds of thousands.

[@AvesZephyros]

@GATOBAM I think they know the origin, wasn't it some plant in South America? It was mentioned in the first game if i'm not mistaken.

[@mrpringle9479]

@@AvesZephyros Yeah it's a real life fungus that takes controls of bugs. There's a real life documentary they took inspiration from.

[@shaneyy__]

WishYouWereHere well, let’s not say hundreds of thousands. American doctors receive government cash for diagnosing patients with COVID even if there is no testing. I can’t speak for other nations, but America’s numbers are horribly inflated. COVID is not this fungal plague.

[@EpicxNerd73]

Imagine hunting Joel across country only to be saved by him and then you torture and kill him. Yet we have to learn the revenge bad? Thats my BIGGEST problem with this game.

[@vijarusummoner8824]

Makes absolutely no sense.

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

vengeance is bad but abby gets the vengeance free card

[@bingbingwahoo]

I get what you mean, but it's still consistent with whole "REVENGE BAD" message since Abby's choice to seek revenge leads to all her friends dying terrible deaths

[@joshuahearne4811]

Execept she makes a friend and rides into the sunset

[@reddytoplay9188]

@@bingbingwahoo she gets a lover

[@sage1274]

"The only thing we learn about Manny is that he loves his dog and he says 'Pendejo' a lot-" absolutely KILLED me

[@hauntngu4002]

Last of Us 3: Revenge of the kid whose parents asked you to stop to help them when you were with Tommy and Sarah but you had a kid too.

[@vikutaa]

Lol

[@parkerthomas3803]

Delete this comment right now. I love it. It's an amazing comment. However theres the slight chance that Naughty Dog may see it and actually make this into a game.

[@sleepyrowdy1826]

Naughty dong: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

[@tiagoduarte2105]

Lmao

[@commandercat10]

@@parkerthomas3803 oh god

[@KevlarGorilla]

Q: Why did Ellie drop her map? A: So the plot could happen

[@davidcampuzano454]

Cause she murdered a pregnant woman and when to a shock state

[@weemzman10101]

David Campuzano so she just doesn’t need a map anymore? It’s lazy writing and that’s ok to call out.

[@_NightSaber_]

@@davidcampuzano454 Nice spelling

[@nikorobinson317]

See this sounds like a joke but it’s also funny Cos it’s actually true smh

[@davidcampuzano454]

@@weemzman10101 so you don't know how traumatic events work right?

[@emeraldo]

When Charlie doesn't end his commentary with "that's it seeya" you know shit is serious.

[@PajamaOperator]

he does say it at the end of the ad

[@thelivingdrawing2262]

They realized the story had very little actual substance and hastily covered it up by being as grimdark as possible so it’s impossible to actually care about the story, which distracts you from it’s lack of substance. It’s genius. Just randomly kill off 2 of the only likable characters (Joel and Jesse) for Shock Value.

[@Amick2003]

They really do make all the women in this game annoying assholes. Based but also not what they were going for I’d imagine.

[@BlueMist1307]

Meanwhile in Dishonored: "Revenge solves everything."

[@synysterdawn8913]

I mean, if you just slaughter everyone in those games then you'll mess up the world and get a pretty grim ending. Dishonored was never so black and white in its storytelling and presentation of the world beyond the marketing. The canon ending to the first game is even the low chaos ending, so Corvo would've presumably been rather reserved when hunting down his targets; he even canonically spares Daud despite watching him gut the women he loved and leaving him framed for her murder.

[@michaandrzejsigismundfreih7900]

@@synysterdawn8913 You can kill all the villains in Dishonored without getting a high chaos ending, you get it only if you kill a lot of random people too.

[@xxguapo_yt8208]

Michał Andrzej Sigismund Freiherr von Ostrowitz killing randoms is the most fun part of dishonered

[@omiorahman6283]

You can get revenge without killing in dishonored

[@speeve1366]

You can get revenge

[@Noir-c9k]

"Did they not understand what made the first game good" - PewDiePie

[@MagnumBarrage]

I avoided those because I thought the game was going to be a hard watch. Video and time stamp?

[@christopherwager312]

@@MagnumBarrage probably during a stream tbh

[@ThePC007]

It happens so often that video game devs (or rather, upper management) just don't understand what made the first game great when they make the second one, but this just takes the entire thing to another level.

[@kevindavidson8281]

"does PewDiePie not understand he isn't good" -most of KZbin

[@brandon_Larsen]

@@kevindavidson8281👈🏽 The minority of KZbin.

[@callumw1597]

Just to point out: the character who spits on Joel when he dies is Neil Druckman the creative director of Naughty dog Theres a petition going round to rewrite the story, chng.it/6DBhmzYk24 worth a shot Edit: I've also noticed a lot of people claiming the criticisms for the game being shit are from Homophobic racist gamers when a quick google will show you that games that have better messages for LGBT such as life is strange, Detroit become human all have amazingly high reviews from critics and users. The twist? Them games didn't compromise the story in way of a political debate. Its tragic really. Edit 2: more people complaining how people who didn't like this game was because of Joel's death. Whilst that is true, it's not without reason. I can guarantee EVERYONE thought or knew Joel was going to die - in fact I expected a death to occur either Joel or Ellie. What many of us hated was how poorly executed it was. So simply claiming that the games reviews are bad because of Joel's death is retarded as many of us were expecting it. The fact that what we were expected to happen still went down so shitty makes this game itself even shittier. Edit 3: don't get me started on the ending

[@The_Barroth]

How symbolic

[@shoshonequinn2776]

Why do they even hate him? Only Abby wanted revenge so what was the reason for him spitting?

[@RahulVerma-em2og]

N i don't know why anybody isn't talkin about that ur the first person i'vs seen who's talkin about that disgusting thing!!!!

[@stickmanreaper4628]

@@shoshonequinn2776 Racism? Who knows, all I know and we all know is that that was the most disrespectful death to such an amazing character

[@peytonowens7938]

It wasn’t Neil himself, but it was someone who worked on the game. Neil seemed pretty proud of the guys performance (all he did was spit on Joel tho) on Twitter .

[@tomgodfrey92]

So immature that people instantly assume you’re homophobic or hate that joel died if you say the game is bad

[@Ebh55.]

Exactly! I am bisexual and I think this video game is bad (the gameplay's good though).

[@kokdolfn]

@@Ebh55. my thoughts exactly (not the bisexual part)

[@bezolsmate]

Ellie: kills pregnant woman Also Ellie whilst strangling Abby: No, this is wrong

[@rebotsomat]

She didnt know she was pregnant, and was horrified to learn after. Next point.

[@greekman7604]

Rebot Somat still doesn’t make it good lol

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

@@rebotsomat Doesn't matter. Ellie is still willingly killing tons of people and for her to cop out at the end is goofy.

[@jaseyen9860]

@Rebot Somat And even if Ellie didn't know she was pregnant, you can normally look at someone and think, ”Oh, hey, they look pregnant. They might be.” Ellie probably realized it later, or something.

[@FlexOffenderVEVO]

@@rebotsomat I like how you say "next point" as if you're ready to debunk any criticism and are the deciding factor whether the game suck or not

[@mrpirate6187]

*EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION AND EXTRA INFO, CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR RDR AND RDR2* RDR 1 and 2 did "revenge is wrong" better. Arthur Morgan(RDR2 main protagonist) told John Marston to "ride away and never look back". In other words, to find a new life and to not return to the past, a past of trouble, stress, and violence. He unfortunately decides to find and kill Micah, after he destroyed the Van Der Linde gang and killed. Killing Micah led Edgar Ross to John Marston which would result in all the shit in RDR and eventually Marston's death at the hands of the government. He could've stayed out of criminal business and just taken care of the ranch with Abigail and Jack, and done bounties with Sadie Adler or something. Instead he ends up with his family taken by the government and hunting down his old gang members. And for what? The satisfaction of killing Micah Bell? I hate Micah but he could've just waited for him to get hypothermia up in the mountains or just ignored him. The only good thing that comes from this revenge is Dutch Van Der Linde leaving John a good amount of money. Jack Marston, John's son, hunts down Edgar Ross, the Detective Agent who manipulated and betrayed John, and kills him, which is exactly what John did not want. He is now very likely a wanted man, he was in the area and looking for Ross, and a few people are told about this by Jack himself. Hopefully Jack is able to escape the consequences. A GTA Easter egg implies that he did, but that's an entirely different universe. Another way it's done very well is that it's not shoved down our throats. It's a present theme but it isn't really always hovering above us.

[@funnymanjustin5836]

Mr Pirate redemption is in the name I expect that it would be better than this

[@choobers]

Ross used the fuck out of John though :(

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

They shouldve done that with this game. Have Ellie kill Abby and then reveal at the end of the game that Lev is tracking down Ellie to kill her for revenge. Would have given the same message but much better and more cathardic

[@ThomasSquared]

I was gonna comment that. But let me add to it. Arthur told John to run away and never look back, John blinded by revenge did the opposite by killing Micah, which led Ross to finding out the Marston is still active, Ross blackmailed John, betrayed him, killed him, and in the end, Jack Marston, who both John and Arthur DIED so they could prevent Jack from becoming like them, became like them. It's really tragic when you think about it.

[@mrpirate6187]

Victor Acosta He still wanted Jack to live a better life.