The Best Value 1440p Gaming Monitor - Asrock PG27QFT2A Review

[@NANOTECHYT]

Man thats so smart with the Wi-Fi Antenna, that should be on more monitors. Whoever made that an idea obviously really uses their computer and cares about making the desk setup clean.

[@k1ng617]

That WIFI antenna feature is something I didn't know I wanted until now lol

[@RadBlockerAddicted]

@@k1ng617 does it give the monitor internet access? or extend your wireless network? i dont understand the point of it

[@FuncleChuck]

@@RadBlockerAddictedit lets you put your pc in place where those tiny WiFi antennas may not work as well, plus it’s just a way better antenna.

[@robertct06]

@@RadBlockerAddictedthe monitor stand becomes your antenna

[@AnirudhTammireddy]

@@RadBlockerAddicted it makes it so that your monitor is also your antenna.

[@kainlamond]

@@RadBlockerAddicted it's pretty obvious that the monitor has the antennas, so if your PC is tucked away somewhere that might not be the best for signal your monitor normally isn't

[@TechGamesAU]

The wifi antenna is genius

[@RadBlockerAddicted]

why? i genuinely can't figure out what it's for

[@Alirezarz62]

​@humanmammal5897 Motherboards that support WiFi has these antennas you have to connect at the back of them often times with a cable so you have yo put them on your desk. But with this monitor you don't need thos antennas and you can just connect them at the back of the monitor and make your desk clean

[@RadBlockerAddicted]

@@Alirezarz62 i appreciate your answer. but i'm still confused, as my computer doesn't need any of this for wifi, and this seems to be a coax connection instead of cat 6 / ethernet cable. why would you need wifi on your monitor anyway?

[@Alirezarz62]

@humanmammal5897 Antennas all use coax cables they have nothing to do with the technology being used nor the speed. the motherboard needs a signal booster for WiFi and the antenna inside the monitor helps achieving that

[@lawrencetoh9510]

@@RadBlockerAddicted same question like why you need usb hub on ur monitor , it is just more versatile for user on certain condition. if you dont need it just leave it be , it is just a extra feature some might need some dont

[@moldyshishkabob]

Have kept wondering about these Asrock monitors. Finally glad to not only see it here, but to be of higher quality than I thought based solely on its price!

[@AdamH7]

I got a Philips Evnia 27M2N5500 for £143 last month and it only just came out. 1440p, 180Hz IPS. It's been fantastic, really happy with it for the price.

[@aos32]

My brother recently bought a Philips Evnia 24" 165hz 1080p IPS monitor as well. It was the cheapest high refresh rate 1080p IPS monitor available. And it is great. It is called 24M1N3200ZS.

[@tulsatrash]

Glad to get some good news to share with friends saving up to build.

[@nickd7935]

Beating the allegations of OLED Unboxed

[@konga382]

There are lots of 1440p monitors going for around $160 - $180 these days, and most of them seem to use this same panel since they all have the same specs. It's a great time to buy a 1440p LCD. The Dell G2724D might be a better option overall despite the lower refresh rate since it has better response times (according to other reviewers) and it also seems to have a really good sRGB mode.

[@TheTastefulThickness]

I'll take more refresh rate and slower response all day. I'm not Shroud and I want a smooth daily experience.

[@sownlengoc]

qhd monitors ruin my eyes, better stick with dell g2723h 280hz refresh rate for $140

[@postboy2242]

Would love if the dell had a 3.5mm out, but, well...

[@konga382]

@@postboy2242 oh yeah dell hates adding those ports, even their $1200 alienware flagships don't have them -_-

[@postboy2242]

@@konga382 yeah, it's pretty much me handing them money and them giving me a "fuck you"

[@Yellowswift3]

On a side note, I love the contrast of the orange/black on the top Tim is wearing. Such a great colour combo.

[@Tom_Quixote]

It's the kind of colours that look great until the first time the garment is washed.

[@meatbunftw]

I just got a couple of Dell G2724D monitors for $180 on sale from $200. It's 1440p at 165hz. I mainly got it because it actually works with the PS5. Supports 1440p, 120hz AND VRR on PS5 due to VESA Adaptive Sync certification.

[@Lunamana]

Got myself the same monitor a month ago as well, upgrading from a 10 year old 1080p 60fps monitor never felt so great! Love it to bits, also a size upgrade from 21.5" to 27" as well

[@shadow_force]

Because it has HDMI 2.1

[@meatbunftw]

​@@shadow_force oh, if only it were that simple. just like how not all HDMI 2.1 displays support all the features of the 2.1 spec, not all HDMI 2.1 displays have the specific version of VRR that PS5 uses. the G2724D does, which is why I chose it over the competition (also with HDMI 2.1).

[@AEWD56]

@@meatbunftw you got it all mixed up: whereas All HDMI2.1 displays support „HDMI forum VRR" of the PS5 only very few HDMI 2.0 (non 4K) Displays Like the Dell Support it. This makes the it so special! The Dell is only hdmi 2.0! 300% sure!

[@meatbunftw]

@@AEWD56 nope, the monitor is 2.1. And it's absolutely wrong to say that "all" HDMI 2.1 displays support HDMI forum VRR. While they might be capable of it, it's not a given that a display that has a 2.1 port will support that particular feature.

[@JuicyT72_]

Would love to see a video on budget be damned options that aren't oled. Love the focus on lower end value as well.

[@jonathansaindon788]

The problem with high end IPS or mini-led is that they are so expensive you might as well get an OLED at this point… OLEDs will retain their value better and for HDR it’s way better than anything else

[@TheTonVeron]

​@@jonathansaindon788 I wish OLED would work for me but currently I work from home and am scared of burn in. What a first world problem 😅

[@Splarkszter]

​@@jonathansaindon788AOC Q27G3XMN anyone?

[@FuburLuck]

​@@jonathansaindon788 I'm going to disagree entirely about OLED holding thir value. A burned in monitor has no value. When I buy a monitor, I expect to keep it for at least 5 years. I use it for work all day as well as play. I won't buy an OLED at all due to the likelihood of burn in during that timeframe.

[@YORKSHIREMAN86]

@@TheTonVeronThat’s the exact reason I won’t consider one. I’m probably around 70/30 in terms of office/gaming usage and the negatives currently outweigh the positives for a primary office monitor. Text clarity is worse and the risk of burn in on a £1000 monitor is not worth it imo.

[@user-tn1ed4wq2x]

Hey Tim, could you please consider making the "more advanced calibration guide using Calman" you mentioned in the "How to calibrate your monitor" video on HUB? Thanks in advance!

[@konga382]

When step 1 is "spend $2000 on a Calman license," it becomes obvious why this is a really niche guide he hasn't bothered to make yet. And unfortunately the home licenses only work on a small subset of televisions (not monitors).

[@user-tn1ed4wq2x]

​@@konga382 I understand, if Tim says "Sorry, no plans", it is all good, but there seem to be no resources on calibrating or even at least checking the capabilities of any non-professional monitor for especially HDR (but SDR as well) using Calman or any other HDR calibration capable software (HDR calibration using DisplayCal seems almost impossible). While I get such video might not make the most sense from the ROI POV (fewer views), Tim seems to love monitors and making this Calman deep dive might give him a break from his monitor after monitor review cycle (which I am glad for, but I imagine can feel a little monotonous from time to time). I also agree the price is discouraging, but there are also.. other ways 🦜

[@Simon_Denmark]

⁠​⁠@@user-tn1ed4wq2xGood luck pirating a professional colorimeter.

[@Simon_Denmark]

@@user-tn1ed4wq2xGood luck using those ”other ways” for a professional colorimeter.

[@Simon_Denmark]

@@user-tn1ed4wq2xAnd how about the professional colorimeter?

[@Note2Self_IRL]

I have had the VA 1440p version of this monitor for over a year and have no complaints the stand is good .

[@andrewskaterrr]

Thank you! I was just looking for a sub $200 1440p 120hz+ monitor for my buddy. There are so few reviews on them.

[@GlimmyGOD]

I got mine for 164(184 with tax), was previously using an old 2013 32inch Samsung VA TV so this should be a big upgrade.

[@Fish5ization]

did you buy it off newegg? I paid the exact amount lol

[@e5jhl]

sounds like good budget side screen

[@Alirezarz62]

I demand every monitor maker to do the same thing with wifi antennas that is a genius idea

[@1_2_die2]

As European I guess these "jaw dropping" prices are all VAT excluded? We got this monitor here for 235€ and up (VAT included).... so roughly $260. Not THAT exciting.

[@revyYT]

theres other similar monitors u can check like LG 27GR75Q-B here in eu is 195 eur (215 usd)

[@konga382]

Monitor pricing is highly region-dependent, always has been. This monitor may be more expensive in Europe, but there are other cheap options instead.

[@SamOnKBD]

been wondering about this as well. For instance I am from Sweden, and I was looking at the AOC Q27G3XMN, which is a "$280" monitor and that sounds like an incredible price. But it costs around 5000 SEK, which is $480, with 25% VAT included. However, if you remove VAT, this only goes down to $380. So yeah, the pricing is clearly incredibly region based, so I just try to look at what is cheap and look at reviews like these and go "okay its cheap but does it suck" :)

[@AD-sg9tr]

In any case, the European market is ABSOLUTELY NOT the same as the American market when it comes to tech. Literally over there they have discount codes on every tech item depending on the state they live in; like the latest LG 4k 240Hz here is 1300 euros, in the US those living in Boston could get it for 900$ ( I'm quoting Boston but in many other states you had 10 or 15% off all LG products ). In short, it's clear that here in Europe we don't have the same prices at all.

[@FuburLuck]

​@AD-sg9tr Just as long as you remember in Boston a product advertised for $900 will cost you $956.34 once you add in sales tax. And that tax can vary by state, county and city. Europeans tend to compare their post tax prices to our pre tax prices.

[@shadow_force]

Where is the dell g2724d review?

[@deyeatdapoopoo7582]

Awesome review. More budget and mid-range monitor content please; that's a lot more relatable and what the overwhelming majority of people buy.

[@starrims]

Review of new Samsung G5 and Dell U2724D please

[@HLM24]

I was just about to buy this monitor, but now DELL went for a massive price cut for the AW2724DM (not to be confused with the Dell 2724D). Now I wonder. What´s the better choice? The AsRock PG27QFT2A for 180 USD or the AW2724DM for 290 USD (which was 380 USD before) ??

[@HUNTSPOINT.]

What you ended up getting?? The AS rock is now going for 156.00 @ new egg.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

So, the antenna thing. There's a WiFi antenna built into the monitor arm?

[@saturnotaku]

Though a 165 Hz display, I think the $180 (with Amazon coupon) KTC H27T22 is a better option. The stand is less "gamer" looking and has a full range of adjustment. It also offers far more customization in the OSD, which is navigable through a directional toggle.

[@micobugija6284]

For those curious, if you plug in the antenna, your BT signal strength is also affected.

[@yetv2023]

it is sold out in Canada

[@agentzapdos4960]

It's not available in Canada right now, and I couldn't wait so I ended up getting the ASUS one. Even though it was more expensive, I'm happy with it.

[@archduke0000]

Man, I was looking at a new monitor 2 days ago and got an MSI G274QPX. Good video tho.

[@evila9076]

Finally not oled. Thank god

[@korosoid]

But still 16:9, ew 🤢

[@evila9076]

@@korosoid isn't that like 99% of the market?

[@korosoid]

@@evila9076 I agree with you, but it doesn't make it any better. 16:10 is better for work and multitasking, 21:9 is better for movies and TV series, and 4:3 is better for competitive gaming. 16:9 ratio is not an all-rounder; it's a forced standard, but it is worse than screen ratios mentioned above if you compare them in named tasks .

[@MrSmitheroons]

Is there any benefit to having a slower pixel response time at the low refresh rates? Sort of like how game devs enable motion blur to hide how un-smooth motion is, if pixels move slowly into their new positions it's effectively motion blur that disproportionately blurs fast-moving scenes or objects. Is there room for this to be subjectively preferred? Or is a very fast panel snapping to the new frame visuals instantly still preferable at say 60FPS? Thanks for the video, I'm highly considering picking one of these up, or any of your other recommended more expensive ones if they go on sale around this price.

[@Rjiig123]

I have this monitor! But the local dimming is kinda not very good since it’s extremely noticeable and there’s not setting for it to really turn it off or edit

[@7evive]

Would this be an upgrade over a Gigabyte M27Q ?

[@azizsalo1329]

hey monitors unboxed. ii want to know when you guys will do the oled g6 and g8 reviews from samsung since they are a bit different from the others with the anti glare coatin, i would love to see a review of them and a battle between meybe the 4 1440p 27 inch qd oleds.

[@TOYRT]

Hi, 310 euros in Greece. Thnx for your review!!!!

[@Fadhil-l7p]

Beside wifi, what's the difference with asrock pg27qft1b?

[@omnisemantic1]

In EU this thing costs 10% more than the LG 27GP850, which has the same basic parameters, but performs way better and has a lot more extras.

[@StevoHDA]

sacrifices contrast for those better response times instead, this asrock also in fact has a better panel.. but the LG tunes theirs better for high refresh gaming

[@alexripard]

Looks like a great budget option, sadly it does not seem to be available anywhere in Europe, at least based on my searches.

[@Hobbles_]

I'm really interested to see how well that WiFi antenna works! Would love to see some testing on that

[@toniixii]

I am hesitating between the Q27G3XMN (VA, 140 Hz, Great HDR) and the 27GR83Q/G274QPX (IPS, 240 HZ). Which should I choose to work from home + gaming (solo + competitive gaming)?

[@nicane-9966]

Is it possible to make a new tier list to have them all compared each other?

[@Lylcaruis]

what happened to 290 being a really good price for a 240hz 1440p

[@J-GregChannel]

What about the PG27QFT1B? Looks to be the same one but i'm not 100% sure :/

[@azumag4432]

Does anyone knows what is the difference between this and PG27QFT1B? What is the difference between the 2A and 1B?

[@Hash625]

Can someone tell me how do monitors unboxed channel get the same desktop wallpapers on thier monitors reliably, I'm guessing they are using windows spotlight or some 3rd party app for wallpapers? or are they using pictures from their personal collection?

[@KingDanGate]

Finally the review

[@jimmyparkinson5540]

What’s your recommendations for the best IPS monitors around 500 or a bit less? Was looking at the QD OLED for like 800. Is the extra 300 actually worth the extra money?? Thanks

[@Stoic_Rational_Buddhist]

Please review the similar AOC Q27G4X 180hz 1440p!! Value champ

[@_MintArcade]

Tim can you please do a revision/rereview on MAG274QRF-QD? There is a new model now called MAG274QRF-QD E2 😂 fun name

[@StevoHDA]

XG27ACS has already overtaken it

[@SeraNeph]

I wish MSI would just make MAG275QRF-QD (5 stands for being the fifth version model of that 27 inch QRF model with quantum dots). Yeah, I wanna know if the 0 inverse anti ghosting is still there and improved what's otherwise the perfect Goldilocks monitor

[@n0.nam358]

​@@StevoHDAIn my region it costs two times more than MSI model

[@StevoHDA]

@@n0.nam358 MSI E2 then, it might be a different/worse panel but it's really close and the color accuracy is good albeit a little saturated but easily dialed back to normal. Great monitor, my mate has one. I think color accuracy is better than the AW3423DW, that's what he said anyway. I had a DW too, not too hard to beat though but you'd probably not care that much.

[@n0.nam358]

@@StevoHDA I was thinking about buying used QHD monitor for 1/2 of price but almost no good deals, new LG UltraGear 27GR75Q costs 50$ less then MSI MAG 274QRF-QD E2 that costs 285$ and AOC Q27G3XMN costs 415$.... Yeah...

[@IrnMaiden304]

Looking at an ASRock PG27Q15R2A, any good for the current price or not really worth it ?

[@shis10]

Best Monitor for day to day task. I am not gamer but developer. I like it.💯🔥

[@archonblaze]

I’m still running the world’s first G-Sync 144hz monitor, Asus PG278Q from 2014. Time to upgrade? Would this actually be better?

[@Obscure19]

I was using the Asus PG279Q (the successor to yours I guess?) up until very recently and upgraded to the Gigabyte M27Q-X for higher refresh, and honestly it wasn't worth it aside from slightly better colors on the new monitor. I've got them side by side and they feel pretty much identical. I think those of us using older high-end (IPS) monitors are better off just going straight to OLED or simply sticking with what we have. There haven't really been many improvements to LCDs during all these years aside from higher refresh-rate. They are just cheaper now and that's about it.

[@archonblaze]

@@Obscure19 Yes, I came to exact same thoughts you say here. Apart from higher refresh rates it seemed image quality has not improved much, and we need to wait for OLED. Now 480hz OLED in this size/qhd is coming later this year so that's a good point to upgrade.

[@3volv]

I have the Asus ROG PG278QR 165Hz TN, I'm looking to upgrade, but I have no idea which monitor would be an upgrade.

[@TheCgOrion]

It seems like the OFF for overdrive should be the low option, and a more aggressive overdrive get used for the ON position, or high. If only one option is able to be used, it may not be a great idea for them to go too much more aggressive, because I think the people going for a $185 1440p screen, won't be pushing the upper refresh rates in many games, so it's better that it looks good in the lower refresh ranges.

[@Agp1597]

First time i seen a QHD 180HZ IPS monitor with HDR certification that goes "beyond" the certified standard of Vesa HDR while costing below 200 USD , amazing, if it wasn't that i already have an 240hz QHD monitor , i already just bought this one instead

[@Digimomol]

Curious on how this budget monitor compare now to a flagship high end 1440p monitors 5+ years ago

[@MrSmitheroons]

Man it's sad I can't find this at the great price your review was based on, on the upside there are enough great monitors and new ones coming out all the time that I feel the sale prices and used market are super strong right now, so it's not impossible to find a good one. But man, I might've gotten this one if the price was right.

[@KaiLanders]

Please do the best Gaming monitors with the best crosshairs

[@larriwithay]

Can you review XG27UCG? Would love to see response times on 320hz and the ufo test on ELMB sync and if it’s a worth feature

[@paalosordoni7932]

For an IPS panel and low price the Contrast ratio is great.

[@owerpovered3330]

Tim, are we getting a PG27AQDP review soon ?

[@israelzurbuchen8133]

Are you going to review the new replacement model for the gigabyte m32q the gs32q?

[@igntambir]

Hello hardware unboxed. Can you review the only two ips 24inch 1440p monitors? One is the Aoc and the other is koorui.

[@ShrineMedium]

Can you check out the 24' Lg GS60F-B? Its the newest monitor from LG I'd really like to know how good the motion performance is.

[@ed1659]

2:44 wait there are useful gaming features? It feels like in every top oled review it seems like those features only make it worse and never to be used

[@Kirua_0]

Hi can u make a review about this monitor Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQML1A and which one you think we should buy 1440p monitor, i watched almost all of your videos but i can't decide.

[@RedDogTouring]

Not available in aus?

[@Slambear]

We need 4k mini led monitors now around 500.

[@YellowBoatGaming]

Innocn 27M2V is under $500

[@Slambear]

@@YellowBoatGaming I’d like for it to be from a trusted brand or have a HUB review it, as there aren’t good reviews out there of it. Unless I’m wrong

[@TewaAya]

Why can't mini led take off? It's more expensive for array section lighting but those fixed side/horizontally mounted led are just e-waste when the other layers of thr panels are just fine.

[@Trisstan20]

stupid question, is it worth buying high refresh monitor as your second monitor, ie not for gaming , only for web browsing/media? recently i got MSI G274QPF for stupid low price (160 euro, for comparison asrock from this video cost nearly twice as much here) is it waste using it as secondary monitor? my main monitor has very similar specs (Xiaomi Mi 2K Gaming Monitor 27") , but its just bit more premium ( freesync premium, colour depth, black colour) but MSI has some advantages too ( better OCD handling, stand is better)

[@tendosingh5682]

If not for gaming one should focus on actual things that matter like color accuracy and contrast. Some monitors have non RGB pixel structure that can affect text clarity for example.

[@bogdanbulatovic455]

Can you review the samsung odyssey G6? The VA panel not the OLED one. Its cheaper than the G7 but has better brightness, smart features and better response time

[@elevatedevaluations]

What's the best 1440p 120hz+ monitor I can get for under $200? I need your help!

[@Altamimi911]

Why asus ucdp not with the monitors lists (full hd 480hz oled mode )

[@ivanborbas6232]

Hello guys, I would like to ask you for your help. I am trying to decide between 32 inch g65b for 350euros, 34 inch oled g8 for 710euros, and neo g8 for 880euros. One of my uscases for it would be as a smart tv in my room , when I am laying in bed. I am asking because one of my moreplayd games is valorant, which doesn't support 21by9, and i dont know how much worse 175Hz is in comparison to 240Hz. Thank you

[@DarthToxic]

Will you guys look at the KTC 27GP6?

[@Dracossaint]

Hows the headphone port?

[@enriquegoh3852]

Currently waiting for your review on MAG 274QRF QD E2 the newer version of this as compared to ASUS ROG Strix XG27ACS

[@GENIRYODAN]

Any plans to do an update on the deliberately burning in your 321URX monitor? I have my 321URX currently in shipment so this would be immensely helpful

[@benobueno9167]

what about the KTC H27S17?

[@lawrencetoh9510]

is the similar with PHILIPS 27M2N5510J EVNIA and LG 27GS75Q-b (200hz)? around 250 usd in malaysia

[@bakakafka4428]

Contrast seems to be the only redeeming value of this monitor.

[@ryujinshimada]

Dell’s G2724D offering is better than this one in America, only 179.99 as of time of writing

[@yarincool1237]

Yes, best budget 1440p monitor that doesn't feel like budget.

[@MrDroenix]

Can't find it for 179.99, but did find it is 199.99 on Dell's Website (as of 20AUG2024). It's not available on Amazon and Walmart has it listed at 362.99.

[@lochlannach7]

In what ways is it better?

[@ryujinshimada]

@@lochlannach7 Response times aren't 8+MS, color accuracy rivals professional monitors according to RTings measurements (ignore their opinions though)

[@neodidi]

Would have been a great deal for me.. But for me, I would prefer very color accurate monitor at this point... The Asrock is tempting, but then again, it's best to work logically here in terms of use case.

[@Gin2341]

How about the Gigabyte GS27Q-X 27 1440p 240hz budget monitor? Please review it

[@Kirua_0]

Hi, can u make new tier list for 1440p monitors please?

[@GeneC]

Have u guys got Cooler Master Tempest GP27Q MiniLED Gaming Monitor on your radar yet, guys?

[@Dark3rin0]

Hi! Would you consider reviewing the new Asus XG32WCMS?

[@TalooshDaBoss]

Review the Acer Nitro VG272U W2 27 in 2560x1440 IPS 240Hz monitor please, its only 220 usd on newegg right now

[@jocse02]

Can you make a review on the viewsonic vx2758a-2k-pro-3 Looks like a really good deal for the price

[@OfficialKrayoon]

good 1440p monitors become really cheap nowdays 😊

[@gstaryenn2103]

Can you review a Low Budget Monitor like the KTC H27S17 , HVA monitor for only about 170€ ?

[@potatoboi9259]

I'M STILL WAITING FOR A REVIEW OF THE NEW SAMSUNG OLED MONITORS. G8 & G6

[@Lopes736]

Can you review the AOC Q24G2A?

[@jachupol5823]

Shame that here in Poland for example it goes for 305$ cheapest

[@Gintoki7]

Can you do the xaomi G pro 27i, hdr1000 certified similar to the aoc with more dimming zones

[@mojtabab.a.994]

Please review the Samsung's latest Odyssey G50D 27" which has the same specs...

[@Riotmakertk]

The AOC Gaming Q27G4X has the same specs, it's 1440p, 180hz, gsync and freesync. Same button layout too but worse settings on the Asrock than the AOC. So I wonder if they're the same panel just with less options here? In any case it [ACO] is a whopping £40 cheaper than this Asrock monitor at £175 vs £220 for the Asrock. Recently got the AOC for a kids system, it's a really good monitor for the cost.

[@Jay-xq1dc]

Meanwhile in my country converted price is 437 USD. Idk where you find prices at sub 200 USD , perhaps I should migrate to a low cost industry country.

[@marble_wraith]

I wouldn't even bother with "entry-level" these days. On a mature technology like IPS i expect a monitor to "do it all". I don't want to have high refresh rates and low response times at the cost of high color accuracy, or vice versa.

[@Splarkszter]

I take the HDR AOC Q27G3XMN for $100 more. I think it's worth it.

[@toniixii]

The AOC is a better monitor no?

[@McJurrie]

Can this monitor do vertical viewings, or is it horizontal only? Of it doesn't do vertical, does anyone know of decent 1440p that can do vertical viewing at a low-ish price?

[@Barksyyy]

This monitor doesn't do vertical but keep in mind any monitor can do vertical with the right mounting bracket which would open up ya options more considerably ;)