Monster Hunter Wilds' Hunting Horn HAS BEEN REVEALED! My Thoughts

It's FINALLY here! How are you guys liking the new new redesign?
link to the other weapon descriptions: gamefaqs.games...

[@KPlaysHere]

2 quick details I missed mentioning in the video, that I'll probably speak more on when we get demo footage: 1. You can drop multiple bubbles. There are at least 3 on the ground when they show off the recital dealing extra hits. 2. The Slide Beat/Sonic Smash attack is RANGED👀 idk how i missed this 1, but that sound wave multi hits and travels reeeeally far. That's actually pretty similar to a special move from the now shut down mobile game Monster Hunter Explore

[@sinteleon]

The sonic smash MIGHT require the echo bubbles to propagate though, since the scene we get also has echo bubbles across the entire length of the trajectory.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@sinteleon I...would be totally on board with laying a musical minefield across every area I hunt in lol

[@AustinNystel]

Musical minefield gives me the good feels 😎

[@benlee8225]

@@KPlaysHere what if the shock wave from the attack hits one bubble and bounces between bubbles or closest to a line? so it could zig zag or bounce back forth possibly giving buffs to hunter?

[@benlee8225]

think guildwars 2 mesmer staff 1 skill launch out a ball orbe that bounces enemies or anything in range and gives debuff or buff depending if its enemy or ally

[@Uno_Hunter]

This is shaping up to be my favorite iteration of the Hunting Horn 😳

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Uno_Hunter same here! I just gotta see what they did with the songs now before I can go all in, but I'm already like, 90% there

[@sekory88]

just ssaw your video doot doot brother :)

[@derandi2324]

the fact that the echo puddle functions akin to bead of resonance makes me hopeful that all horns get atk up through thatas in rise , so we don't have to have it on any horn list baseline and give every horn funky songs also interesting that the puddle seems to stagger so it's a nice go on git kinda tool

[@KPlaysHere]

@@derandi2324 PLEASE! No better time than while they're redesigning the redesign to go back and touch up some old stuff. And yeah, I'm pretty sure that dropping it does damage. They really amped up the sound as a damage source thing a lot since we just had Sonic Smash in Gen.

[@xX_wiLLiam_Xx]

id like it if more horns had attack up S but only some had attack up L, so theres still variety and its not just spamming attack up for every horn

[@FGMagala]

I'm actually of the opposite opinion. I'm hoping that they'll finally get rid of attack up on horns in general. It feels like that buff's always been the thing that's relegated HH to support and one of the biggest reasons why people think corner horning is a good thing. (that, and the healing song, but I think the healing song is actually a necessary evil).

[@KPlaysHere]

@@FGMagala if you ask me, it has to either be on all Horns or none of them, and that 2nd option leaves open the hypothetical scenario where the preference would just shift to the next best offensive song

[@FGMagala]

@@KPlaysHere I don't think that'll be much of a problem considering that the top songs after attack up are wind pressure, earplugs, tremor, and stamina recovery. Each one has a use against different monsters and would encourage having a variety of horns as long as no song list includes more than one of them.

[@fromhl7619]

It's someting to admire the dedication and motivation to wake up in the middle of your sleep to look at these reveals. I loved your gunlance video, it cleared some doubts I had. Great discovery to have found your channel 👍🏻

[@fromhl7619]

Your commentary and the way you express yourself is what I wish I could achieve. It takes practice to get to that perfect oratory, and I don't know even know to get started.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@fromhl7619 glad you're liking it! Shoot, this is always motivating to hear because I still feel like I have room to grow and improve.

[@TheLiosoul]

Had to check on this channel after Wilds HH was announced!

[@KPlaysHere]

@@TheLiosoul Glad you know where to come! I've been looking out for this trailer since the reveals started. I'm glad we got it in the 1st week!

[@StrikeNoir105E]

7:43 I'm thinking this is less the equivalent to power clash, and more the Hunting Horn's version of that new smash counter move we see the Greatsword showcasing since the first gameplay trailer.

[@MyCoolHistory]

This is probably it. Not sure what the flash on the dodge means. Maybe if you time it right you get the follow up?

[@KPlaysHere]

Could be. I think I'd be happier with that actually, since I doubt that the clashes are spammable. You'd want to be able to have consistent access to something like a dodge counter

[@drakeshotplays]

as a fellow HH main I support Hunting Horn Time completely.

[@Nobodyandthegiant]

I'm surprised people hated Rise horn, I personally loved it

[@KPlaysHere]

It was definitely fun to play and super flashy, but missing the more technical play of old HH

[@rodgermccallister1606]

It really looks to me like the echo bubbles proc whenever the horn plays sound in them, be it from your basic attacks playing a note or your recitals playing a song. If that's the case, the five smaller shockwaves from the focus attack will probably serve a double purpose of being able to proc your echo bubble 5 times. It sounds super fun to bait the monster over to your bubbles and then hit your focus attack to put them in an echo chamber.

[@KPlaysHere]

If you count playing notes, sound waves, and playing songs, that'd be pretty much every move you do. You can also place multiple to stack the damage even more. Thinking on the interactions and synergy between the new moves already though? I like it!

[@Kokorisu]

Me, a HH main: " I think I might swap main weapon for Wilds" MH KZbin channel: "think again"

[@stevelafser9619]

I love that Earthshaker is back and I love all the animations. And the change to the "bubbles" looks great.

[@mystoganlarsen1351]

i notice how nice caught 9.40 hunter start dance to make echo bubble similar to american indian dance foot and with armor fit much well!

[@DisturbedByCheese]

Very excited by the looks of this, just sitting here hoping they give every horn access to at least Atk Up (S). Would love to bring more utility focussed horns where it makes sense without feeling like I’m hamstringing the team by having no Atk Up option

[@KPlaysHere]

@@DisturbedByCheese that's really the catch of a weapon like HH. There could be even more going on here, right in front of us, and we can't even see it because they have the UI turned off. I'm hoping that they'll consider shifting Attack Up onto Self Improvement or maybe the Echo Bubble

[@camil3545]

That's why I really liked Infernal Melody in Rise, so even a pure healing horn could pop a big atk up song when a big knock down happens. Hope they incorporated something like that into wild.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@camil3545 I'm hoping that the healing Horns are still as good as Rise made them! The fast recitals and not needing to build note combos let you spam them back to back for a ton of constant recovery. Now that it's looking like we have note combos again but also faster recitals, it could really go either way

[@weebtrash427]

Looks nice, but a little worried that echo bubble might be like harvest moon is to counter ls in Rise. Hope motion values are also tuned up

[@KPlaysHere]

@@weebtrash427 that's a valid concern, but it does look like it's a pretty decent size on top of being able to be placed pretty fast. Plus who knows, maybe you can drop more than 1 to cover more of the area

[@Saiphel]

@@KPlaysHere in the showcase you can see he has two echo bubbles on the ground at one point.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Saiphel I...am in a weird cross between hyper detail oriented and delirious from needing sleep lmao. That's true! Unless there's a limit I'm just gonna cover the entire area in bubbles then lol

[@Saiphel]

@@KPlaysHere haha don't worry. I'm just worried we might have to over rely on bubbles to do decent damage. I also really hope we won't have attacks that look you in place for ages or have no combo potential like Earthshaker or the cocoon/impact burst thingies. Those felt really awful to use to me because they interrupted the flow way too hard.

[@iamleonidus1742]

Once the hunting horn came out, I was just waiting for someone who really knew the HH to make a review on it for things I may have missed. I was specifically waiting for this channel because I knew it would be something great. I was not disappointed.

[@N.0rmus]

I was glad to see that HH wasn't referred to as a support weapon in the overview or the website. Hoping that my boi SNS isn't referred to as a beginner weapon again.

[@eolendes6432]

Damn that forward recital blast is amazing. Its static but its quick and it does damage!

[@Saiphel]

There we go!

[@QwertyRulz2]

When I saw the reveal, I even said, "I can't wait for a 10-minute video about this"

[@KPlaysHere]

@@QwertyRulz2 see, you already know!

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

Great stuff! I also quite like the design of the HH in the trailer, it feels appropriate for the setting. Only thing I wasn't super big on was the animation for the clutch-claw-esque kick, it felt a bit weird (since no claw) but that might have just been the angle.

[@KPlaysHere]

I can't tell if it's Doshaguma, a basic model, or what, but yeah it looks pretty awesome. And that Clutch Claw move always looked kinda weird. Like I said in the video it literally defies physics lol

[@robertjones8260]

My biggest concern is song balance. In Worldborne (and previous MHs too) it ALWAYS felt suboptimal using any horn that didn’t have an Attack Up song. Attack Up means more staggers, more trips, and ultimately faster hunts. It would be nice if other horns had song lists that at least made them COMPETITIVE with the AuL horns.

[@KPlaysHere]

Absolutely. They do seem like they're willing to pick out the best bits and pieces of Rise, and 1 positive change there was that between Bead of Resonance and Infernal Melody 100% of all horns had access to an attack boosting song. If you ask me, Attack Up is pretty hard to beat unless you have a game with VERY good weapon balancing that makes some Horns still competitive without it. Easier to give it to all of them or remove it entirely--but probably that 1st thing. Tthr loss of Attack Up altogether would could have a bunch of unintended issues

[@hawthorne5780]

With that Sonic Smash-like attack, it looks like it fires a projectile as the Balahara get hit twice

[@KPlaysHere]

@@hawthorne5780 yeah I caught that after I came back with more sleep in my system lmao. Ranged HH is kinda crazy to think about...

[@lamhuynh7201]

Recital and encore takes a fraction of time to go off on what's basically world's horn is amazing.

[@KPlaysHere]

I may do a frame by frame, side by side to see exactly how much faster the moves are once we get the demo or some demo footage. The extra speed and sound waves should be useful if they want us to use a lot of recitals while hunting

[@vox3765]

As someone who wasn’t super keen on the horn in Rise, I’m quite happy with how Wilds horn is turning out. A very solid looking moveset with good speed and some highly aggressive attacks will hopefully get more people to try out the best weapon in the series, especially since we’ll be able to bring two weapons on a hint so HH will likely be a popular secondary option

[@KPlaysHere]

What's really promising is that a lot of these moves look like they have both cool animations AND technical functions, compared to Rise where a handful of the new moves just kinda existed for the sake of existing. What im hoping when it comes to carrying 2 weapons is actually that songs would require you to have a HH in use to stay active if you're the source. I'm still iffy about the possibility that there'd be players just using HH to buff before swapping back to their mains.

[@mathieu499]

that shockwave traversing the whole mob with the 2nd HH looks amazing :o would love to see if it did pierce through the monster, or if the sonic wave can be even used as range to hit something flying :o

[@KPlaysHere]

If Focus Mode really allows for as much precision targeting as it looks like, that could be an option...

[@SilverTwinkle]

I feel like they combined the very best of world and rise and really wanted to make weapons feel suuuuuuper fluid. There`s also a ton of small movements that you can use to precision dodge and the final attack absolutely looks like a counter.

[@KPlaysHere]

Right?? This was exactly the kind of fusion between World technical and Rise aggressive I wanted to see

[@SilverTwinkle]

@@KPlaysHere I still wonder why the Bone Horn was used in that one scene. Might be, that different weapons have different focus or even song based attacks..?

[@KPlaysHere]

@@SilverTwinkle would make for some pretty crazy Horn variety if even the moveset changed with your song list. Unless they absolutely crammed the base moveset full of new attacks though (or maybe brought back Switch Skills?) it's possible

[@SilverTwinkle]

@@KPlaysHere I assume it could be, that focus attacks work like switch skills in a way, but are directly linked to certain weapons instead of beeing swappable.

[@Laoruperteen18]

2:20 they do the classic right-side performance attack but the weapon goes IN FRONT of the hunter! FINALLY!!! we no longer have to manually pivot ourselves to angle our arse to the monsters anymore.

[@KPlaysHere]

Both recitals that do that also do it very fast compared to before too. The 2nd part where they're showing off the Echo Bubble even has the hunter use that terrible, awkward neutral forward recital and it snaps forward smooth as hell

[@juanraden]

that bonk sfx sounds so satisfying to land lol

[@KPlaysHere]

Pure dopamine rush. I can't wait to stack up a bunch of bubbles and let the numbers fly!

[@Inksternonimous]

I only just noticed in your breakdown that the sonic blast/ slide beat move at 6:32 looks like it sent out a ranged shockwave

[@KPlaysHere]

Yeah, it goes FAR. Ranged HH for 2025?

[@uramaki6580]

I played all elden ring + dlc with prayerful strike and holy ground, only for this moment. I love this horn version! Now we need only a rework on exhaust altered status.

[@Favmir]

It was probably about 7p.m. in Japan when this trailer dropped heh

[@plaguedr.crowvin3349]

as a hh main im am HYPED

[@Serrassi]

This is looking like the world hunting horn, but faster and with some rise aspects. And a while lot more personality

[@KPlaysHere]

Pretty much. No complaints from me there!

[@RouxBeard]

If you notice the very first attack swing that "misses" fires off some kind of echo attack. I believe the recital button, by default when pressed or with songs will apply this echo. Remember in past if you pressed the recital button on your controller it's a wiff animation? Now ALL recitals echo. Maybe Also the dodge backwards is reminiscent of when dodging backwards after hitting the switch skill buttons. Does this mean an dodge and counter attack? Maybe Why NOT show the UI? I believe they will let us "tune" our instruments. As in ALL horns comes with att/def and a few if not all notes have another note set to choose either/or like having stun resistance or tremor resistance note selectable at camp. Too much emphasis all these years on this being an instrument and no real sound tuning? (This last one is Hopium with no real evidence)

[@KPlaysHere]

That seemed like the waves they added in World that went off when you had at least 1 song to play in your queue. Not quite the same though, since there are a couple weird moments like the 1 at the beginning of the trailer where you got 2 waves on just 1 swing. It also looks like you get 2 total: 1 with the swing, then another when the song activates. I actually had a very similar hopium dream in 1 of my wishlist videos lol, except it's more like: -you get an option at the weapon crafting screen to tune -you can change either your 2nd or 3rd note to any other -1 note changing changes your entire song list into another, allowing for some limited buff customization

[@Zankyo137]

around 4pm if you want to know the time in japan

[@KPlaysHere]

Oh, normal people hours then? Cool, lucky them lol

[@MyCoolHistory]

During recital mode, when they hit the monster with the single hit attacks, the horn glows. I wonder if there’s something going on there to incentivize hitting the monster while you play. Similar to the double notes in GU or what have you.

[@KPlaysHere]

Well, when the hunter glows it's definitely a song activation. When the weapon does though is another story. In World, your HH glowed with the color of the note you're playing, but that may or may not be what's happening here

[@darrylkaopiojr.8883]

It looks so cool. Opening attack to side swing performance into front performance!?. I wonder if you can dictate where you end your performance, front, back or above. The bubble looks like it has multiple sound waves activating within it.

[@KPlaysHere]

Directional inputs during HH training is a pretty important control feature, so I'd be very surprised if we didn't get them. Aside from the initial recital though we saw the same 2 follow up moves. It's odd for sure, we got answers and then more questions lol

[@plasma0974]

We. are. so. back !!!

[@KPlaysHere]

@@plasma0974 good to BE back!

[@BadButterfly65]

I hate one thing that is missing. Ffs for All the details they put in there. From dangly bits to potions being emptied and stuff. Why tf is the hammer on the drum static? That buggs me really bad. Still gonna play HH 100% but fuck me its burned in my brain now. Cant unsee.

[@KPlaysHere]

Oh see, now i cant unsee it either...

[@owlsane0036]

I swear if thoses puddles synergises so well with healing horns or the recital being familly friendly, the church of the laertes is so f***ing back 🥹

[@KPlaysHere]

Bonus points if Sonic Barrier sticks around!

[@devv197]

RAAAHHHH. It looks so good i can’t wait until Wilds. I wonder how that Side Slap encore works since it seems like there’s 2 encores.

[@KPlaysHere]

Same! Really wish they'd shown us some of the screen info, that could've answered a ton of questions

[@biltre271]

I hate to be that guy, and I know it is still too early to make any conclusive evaluation, but a fair bit of the trailer worried me. The bubbles could be annoying to keep deploying or kiting the monster around to ramp up our damage. We also seem to have to place multiples of these for that, since unlike the beads of resonance, which had unlimited range and could/needed to deploy once, these seem to have a fairly limited range. Not to mention the SOUND, again this could just be me, but that high-pitched ting noise they make will drive me crazy! Just imagine a hunt with two or more HHs with like a dozen or so of these bubbles - assuming there isn't an entity limit, that would be a literal cacophony. To say nothing of the fact, they brought back the “walk over the buff” thing again, it's bigger this time, but still, why? It's an instrument ffs, not a bubble blower. It also adds unnecessary clutter to the screen, which the bead also didn't do. In a similar vein, but VERY nitpicky, I have a few concerns with the animations. The normal notes seem fine, but stuff like the new Earthshaker animation seems unnecessarily longer, I assume the extra hits were added to make better use of the echo bubbles. But unless the stagger is REALLY substantial, the commitment to use it seems high. The sound it makes is also bad, as it made me think of the “metal pipe falling” meme. I hope it varies from horn to horn. Meanwhile, some animations like the bubble deploy recital thing(?) seem weirdly sped up. This also applies to that weird backstep/backflip part of the clash attack - the animation almost seems to be playing in reverse too - though the swing after looks cool, the hit stop seems to trigger a bit early, like when the hilt hits. I also think the final neutral encore animation - the one with the little hop - looks a bit lame and weightless compared to the older encore. As for the Slide beat/Sonic smash, IDK if I like it, too much spinning. Other than the fact that it seems to be ranged, it also looks like it deploys an orange bubble under the monster by the end of its animation. But on the bright side, I love the new mid-shuffle hits, the faster neutral forward recital, and the mount finisher.

[@KPlaysHere]

Hey, be that guy! It creates conversation points lol. I'm really happy, but I'm not gonna be naive enough to sit here and say everything's right with the world and there's no way this new HH is anything but 100% perfection (not yet anyways, gotta play it 1st at least). Personally, I don't mind the audio or visual things, although that might be because I haven't actually experienced gameplay with them. The mechanical stuff though? Yeah, I can see that being a valid concern. The AoE issues that Bead had have a chance to show back up here. Sure, you CAN place multiple, but that's a straight positive only up until we find out we HAVE to. Then it just becomes another thing to micromanage, and HH has plenty of that already. It's worth considering though that the Bubble we see here may not be the only option. We had 4 in Iceborne, plus the 2 offensive echo songs. If the damage potential difference isn't too bad you could always swap to a HH with a less mandatory bubble effect. On the 2nd part, you noticed something I was actually considering doing a video on in the future. There's definitely a difference in design philosophy between the 'traditional' and newer HH moves' animations. It's really noticable when you compare them within a combo or have played HH long enough to where the old school style is what you're used to. We never really had fast and flashy or stylish high commitment in our toolkit. Whether or not you like it, having the different styles both existing within the same moveset causes a bit of a juxtaposition. Personally? I'm fine with it IF there's an actual function behind the new stuff. Rise's moveset has a slight issues where some of the new moves were fancy just because. I wanted more like Perform that let you dodge and attack, less like Melodic Slap or that weird XA ballerina spin. For the added moves in this trailer, I'm probably gonna hold off on calling it 1 way or another yet because we don't know what these moves do yet. If nothing else, in hindsight the Rise trailer taught me not to just drool over cool factor and actually take a second to think about what what we're seeing might mean.

[@tammywacha]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! This looks like a hell of a remix of HH and its gonna be some hyoe shit! Those recitals *and* encores are insane! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@KPlaysHere]

@@tammywacha I need that demo YESTERDAY

[@DJN0]

not sure I like the twee little hops in the new animations but maybe I'll warm up to it. nice breakdown though, worth the sleep sacrificed!

[@KPlaysHere]

It might be a bit much of an ask, but if there are Bubbles with different buff effects itd be awesome if they did different dances too. You could go based off of your preferred buff, favorite dance moves, or animation speeds.

[@cvrlo_]

My only gripe for the focus mode earthshaker is that I see so weird that there is no connecting string for that resonance beat to travel to the monster. Like in Rise you clearly see the silk travelling that beat to the monster. I kinda wish they add some sort of string that will attach to the monster when you do that move just to make sense on how the beat travels to the monster. All in all I think I'm going to main HH as primary and try out a new weapon from what I've been using mainly in Rise for my secondary. Hyped for Wilds!

[@wanderssoon]

If you pay attention, when the hunter is playing, it shows some glowing strings around the character, so it implies there's a string connecting it. It might not be showing because of the evironment's lighting, but there is a string connecting the player to the monster.

[@KPlaysHere]

​@@wanderssoonI didn't catch that there might be string there before! Tbh I think either way makes sense, since even if you aren't connected to the monster physically they can still hear your beats

[@cvrlo_]

​@@wanderssoonI'm not sure if its just around the character and actually a string connected. Well we are still long ways ahead and maybe they'll add it. I hope they make it much clearer tho. Clearly in the video your beating quite far on the monster for the actual beat to resonate. Or maybe I should just think of it like how the bubble resonates? Maybe the hunter puts a concentrated resonating bubble in that area?

[@cvrlo_]

Don't mind me tho, just wanted to make sense of the move. I still think earthshaker is cool. Like one of my favorite moves in Rise for sure. Loved elemental Hunting Horn in rise. I hope we get elemental love in Wilds as well.

[@茶色Aaron]

I think toward the very end of the trailer, that move is the new impact echo...... what do you think? Because we always had 2 echo moves we could do.... 😮

[@KPlaysHere]

@@茶色Aaron we had Echo Attack in Sunbreak, which gave you Echo Waves and Bubbles via the new note. That doesn't seem like it's how it works anymore--now, there's just a dedicated Echo Bubble placing move.

[@sekory88]

this makes me happy

[@jessecarlsheppard536]

5:58 while earthshaker is winding up, you can see the wounds on head, forelimb, and hindlimb. I didn’t see an obvious response as to whether earthshaker triggered them or not.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@jessecarlsheppard536 Focus Mode moves are 1 of those things we're going to need players hands on to understand if you ask me. Earthshaker could be a wound popping attack, or Focus Mode could just have multiple moves per weapon and not all of them pop wounds

[@creeperhunter2k03]

Luckily they release at 10:00 on spain time

[@joshua30071984]

That monster shares the body type with lagiacrus

[@KPlaysHere]

Leviathans have been back for a while now. I honestly think they're just toying with Lagiacrus fans at this point lol

[@thepowerfulpaet4937]

I like forward recital being viable now.

[@KPlaysHere]

That came out of nowhere lol. To think, all we needed was for their moves to not come out so slow, and they would've been just fine

[@thepowerfulpaet4937]

@KPlaysHere That's why although I play hunting horn, it was never one of my favorites. Recitals were so damn slow it was just BEGGING the monster to slap you silly. You practically had to bank on the monster aggroing on your friends instead.

[@blazlock7285]

Doot Bonk Doot. Makes a stage to Doot Bonk Bonk Bonk Bonk Doot. May bring an Extra HH or H to increase the Bonk in the Bonk Doot Orchestra.

[@Wordgoblin]

The fewer things we have from Rise the better.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Wordgoblin there's actually a heaping helping of Rise influence that I could point to in Wilds. I feel like in that game they replaced a lot of traditional HH's characteristics with a bunch of new ideas. I can tell that those new ideas are still something they had in mind here, but this time they took the better approach of using them to enrich what was already there

[@Wordgoblin]

@@KPlaysHere I don't mind influence, but the design ideas in Rise went counter to what the HH has been for a long time. The new stuff looks great, and the faster recital and encore animations may be what the doctor ordered to bridge the gap. I'm a little worried about this incarnation straying too far from the heavy hitting horn of World and prior in favor of the notes playing a bigger role when both could be at the same time.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Wordgoblin that's kinda what I meant. If the design approach was something like "make HH faster, flashier, smoother, and more aggressive" you could either: -do it like Rise, where they took out what didn't fit that image and replace it with new things entirely, or -take what's already there and try to mesh those ideas into it without actually removing anything, which is what this is looking like

[@dontbegrompy2538]

Really excited about the extra hits during recital and hoping that different directional inputs will lead to different in betweeen hits but we´ll see i guess. Is the link to the leaked weapon flavour texts not available anymore cause i cant see it

[@KPlaysHere]

When they show how you can buff the other hunter, he does a neutral recital, and in the Echo Bubble part he does a forward. Directional inputs are definitely there, at least for the starting recital. I'd be very sad if we couldn't smack monsters with well timed backwards encores though.

[@petercottantail7850]

every weapon trailer has showed us a very brief clip of a 'new' move as the second to last clip. usually made up of a familiar looking move but the context implied there's something unique about it. I don't play hh so i was curious if this trailer followed the same pattern and it seems like it is however the weapon change is a bit suss. everyone of these moves has been portrayed as very powerful compared to everything else, even the gs one which looks like a regular wide slash has huge implications of power creep. obviously we don't know everything new being added to the game but it really feels like a wirebug equivalent of a move that we can use in focus mode or maybe an ult or style ect. they are keeping it secret cause theu always cut to the move itself so we can't see what was done before it

[@KPlaysHere]

@@petercottantail7850 it's definitely some sort of context based thing, since I doubt you'd be able to just spam cinematic clashes till the monster dies. What triggers it is the real question. It could be like mounting, where you have to land a few counters/parries until you get the whole fancy interaction

[@zacharyhansen8250]

I just want to point out that a lot of the time when we see the hunter perform songs it's only after playing one to three notes. So we might not quite have traditional song lists back. Self improvement being trimmed down to just triggering after any performance like in Rise was in my opinion a good and healthy way to trim some of the fat off of hunting horn. Maybe what we'll see is that we have new songs, passive buffs are simple and short to play while offensive songs that trigger special attacks like the slidebeat-esque move and the backflip slap require more complex songs.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@zacharyhansen8250 I'm actually hoping that the traditional song lists see some changes tbh. Not nearly as far as Rise mind you, but the old system barely changed at all since 3rd gen and there were areas that definitely showed. This is as good a time for tweaks as any I say

[@zacharyhansen8250]

@@KPlaysHere I don't mind if they trim the song list, especially now that it seems like our primary method of dealing damage is going to be the performance combo. Rise definitely overdid it with the trimming. I still want to play songs, but I would love to be able to play songs faster so I can get to my performance/encore spam faster

[@ElusiveEliizer]

@@zacharyhansen8250 I don't think your point about seeing recitals after one note indicates that songs will require as little as a single note or even less notes than pre-Rise at all. We only see three traditional recitals in the trailer. In the first one, the player does a draw attack into right recital. Only one note seen, but in the recital the horn flashes twice before the encore, implying that two songs were played. If it's truly two songs, we clearly didn't see all the necessary notes and can't say how many notes were really required. Skipping the second for now, the third recital was just to showcase that ally buffing exists and earlier notes were likely cut as to not waste trailer time The second traditional recital we see in in the footage is when they are showcasing the echo bubbles. In that clip we see them queue up four notes: a right swing, a back slam, then a double swing. I obviously can't say what the note system will be, but I haven't seen anything that would make me think it's not just World's system. And I really hope that's the case. If that first recital is actually two songs, they came out lightning fast. One of the reasons Rise HH felt so awful for me was because how quickly you got buffs. It made getting the buff feel braindead easy and thus playing the weapon wasn't satisfying or rewarding. If recitals play through songs that quickly, I think having to queue 3 or 4 note songs before the recital is needed to keep the satisfaction that World and older HH's provided. Also note, these are the thoughts of a HH player in 3rd gen through World and who hated RIse HH.

[@zacharyhansen8250]

@@ElusiveEliizer yeah, it just felt a little off that we never really see a full song get played. Maybe the new performance combo gives us a new way to play music

[@zacharyhansen8250]

@@ElusiveEliizer I've been playing hunting horn since 4U. I don't think our credentials matter too much. We just have a difference in preference. I completely agree with most of your points. I like old song lists not necessarily because recital took so long and thus made them feel more rewarding, but that it gave me something to work towards. I have a very aggressive playstyle and used recital primarily for its attacking and repositioning so I could stay aggressive while maintaining my buffs at the same time. Specifically in world I liked how encore attacks had a powered up version if you played a 3 to 4 note song as opposed to just a two note song like the echo waves or self improvement. I don't mind if self improvement it's reduced to a natural thing that you don't have to go out of your way to play. Especially as a newer horn player it was very easy for me to accidentally queue up self improvement and kick the song I actually wanted out of my queue (or just forcing me to restart with pre-world horn) so that's more just a welcome qol change in my mind since we never want to be without self-improvement anyway. You are probably correct that we still have full song lists but I also wouldn't mind if we had a couple single or double note songs sprinkled into a larger setlist of songs, especially if we're going to be using recital as our primarily damage dealer, but this also means that I want bigger reward and payoff for playing more complex songs too.

[@FGMagala]

A part of me actually feels like HH should only get notes on a hit rather than on swing like how IG does its buffs. It would strongly incentivize properly hitting the monster and emphasize that it's also a proper weapon rather than some sort of support object. I am glad that they're no longer giving HH that label directly though.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@FGMagala it's an idea, kind of like a more strict Rise, but I don't think a lot of players would appreciate it. You'd definitely force corner horning to come to an end, sure, but it'd also kill a lot of tactics for HH users that actually participate in fights too. No more pre buffing before fights or readying a note or 2 while the monster winds up some long animation for example

[@emosgowoof]

Unless they bake all the buffs of self improvement into the kit directly, (the movement speed buff and innate mind's eye), i'd disagree heavily. Trying to do anything without self improvement, especially at the campaign prog level where you can't get access to evade window 3 / evade distance 2 / 3 easily, is tantamount to playing the game in molasses. And unlike other weapons, hunting horn's only defensive options in the slower games are traditionally just dodging and high movement speed. And to be forced to throw out bad moves just to buff instead of smartly trading both wastes the opening engagements that the monster isn't fully aggrod and creates even more reckless unnecesary maintenence work that will make them a liability in end game hunts.

[@FGMagala]

@@emosgowoof While I do see your point, at the same time HH has a great draw attack and is quite fast on sheathing, so you can just play like GS until you get your first song off and get the self improvement buff up. It's a pretty small limitation especially considering how long self improvement lasts and how easily you can refresh it. While not having it is definitely worse, it's quite easy to apply compared to IG's triple buff that's considered just as necessary. I won't say that the suggestion isn't without problems at all, but it isn't some sort of death sentence to HH, just an annoyance for a few seconds upon meeting the monster.

[@ElusiveEliizer]

I understand some of the hate corner horning gets, but at the same time, it is an accessibility option for new player. Like other people have mentioned, being able to buff with songs before the fight proper is used at all skill levels but is especially helpful to new players. Juggling 3 to 4 buff is a lot to manage so at times playing away from the monster can prevent things from being overwhelming. That's why I believe punishing players for whiffing would be incredibly unhealthy to the weapon. I think players should, instead, be rewarded for landing hits like they did with the double note system in GU. If you hit the monster with an attack, the note was considered a 'double note' and if a recital was played with all double notes, the song from the previous recital would also be activated. That's the sort of system that I think would be healthy. You reward people for solid play; you don't punish people for not meeting some optimal standard. Your last comment about your suggestion not being a death sentence for HH only looks at things from the perspective of someone with experience with the weapon. MH is so much to take in for new players and picking HH just to never get buffs because you can hit with the necessary notes, would be frustrating and could push people away from the weapon entirely

[@FGMagala]

@@ElusiveEliizer Yea, I see your point, but my core issue is that HH isn't viewed as a proper weapon in the first place, and thus tends to be avoided by those aside from people who just want to help out from a corner or at most timidly smack the monster once in a while in the ass. Fundamentally, the problem I think is that the view that the songs are the core of teh HH, and smacking monsters being secondary is the prevalent view for those new to MH or else are more casual players. The songs are all bonuses, like getting a helm splitter as LS or a full TCS on GS, not the core identity of the weapon. The HH is basically like a fast hammer that can't charge at the core, not a guitar that is used to smack the monster on occasion.

[@giraffeorganic]

Rise HH is objectively inferior amongst all iterations because of how low the skill floor and skill ceiling was. The gameplay felt handicapped and pathetic like someone is spoon feeding and changing your diapers for you, and you're a grown ass man. My guess is that capcom saw how low the HH population was in World and speculated the best approach was to dumb down the HH gameplay. THAT change disillusioned the a large portion of the tight knit HH community based on what they had saw in the Rise HH gameplay trailer. The gameplay was significantly less rewarding and any randos like me could pick up HH effortlessly in less than an hour. Sure, more people probably played the HH cuz it was trivialized, but it came at the cost of letting down the entire HH mains community. Rise HH didn't feel at all like HH cuz it was too simple, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even enjoy HH.

[@KPlaysHere]

HH has pretty much always had low usage though. I feel like the aim with Rise was more to touch up a few dated areas and throw in some new ideas while they were at it, but they tried so many new things at once that somewhere they lost the plot and ended up with...well, y'know. This is looking more like those same ideas but approaching them in a much better way. Don't get new players by disregarding old ones; design for EVERYONE

[@HikkiNeeto]

tbh it was kinda hype for new players back then BEFORE CRAPCOM NERF IT SO HARD after demo and hype level reduce to minus 99

[@gregoryjamaalfulton]

After the blasphemy that was rise this APPEARS to be a step in the right direction and taking an extra step forward maybe 2 more. QTABS coming back, some gen moves, and all the while playing that sweet chin music. Eager to see how it progresses when we go into live.

[@KPlaysHere]

I can understand people still being a little cautious to jump straight into the hype after Rise, but the hints of improvement all over this teaser have me ready to believe lol. At the very least, it's looking like the biggest sin--getting rid of note combos and proper recitals being needed to play songs. As long as the core concept is intact we should be good

[@azraelselvmord3650]

Doot doot, MF! -Samuel L Jackson, probably

[@KPlaysHere]

@@azraelselvmord3650 I could 100% see him as a HH user if he played MH 🤣🤣

[@pfeeley08]

I can go full doot doot of doom now?!? 🤩🥳

[@pfeeley08]

I've been a HH main since world.😅

[@k3d981]

I hate it so much when they call it a support weapon.

[@KPlaysHere]

When the 1st thing I saw is that you buff YOURSELF and btw also teammates it was a great sign

[@Bringingmoneyback]

It seems like this time around they're going with a perfect medium between world and rise. Thank God because of how bad it was in world exclusively

[@Bringingmoneyback]

Let's be brutally honest here at its best. It was a meme weapon

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Bringingmoneyback see, usually it's the exact opposite opinion lol. But that's good because whichever side you're on, a happy medium makes the most people happy

[@Bringingmoneyback]

I don't have a positive opinion on world In general. I started with rise and gu and when my friend made me buy world I wasn't having it

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Bringingmoneyback it was definitely a jump in gameplay from the old school titles. Rise is too kinda, but it has a bit more of the traditional feel than World did. Hopefully you like Wilds!

[@Volt1021]

He didn’t put the weapon leaks in the description,can someone help me find this info?

[@KPlaysHere]

@@Volt1021 whoops! Sorry about that, check back in a sec, I just added them

[@Guardias]

But I LIKE being a support because I'm asstastic in combat.

[@KPlaysHere]

HH is built so that you can do both! If you're swinging to set up a song, it's not too much harder to just scoot up and swing on the monster too. I know a lot of the Rise changes were meant to make HH easier to use though. We'll see soon if they had some of that same idea this time

[@GrayMatter337]

its not even an exaggeration to say i saw 2 frames of the old moveset and was immediately sold on it. Imagine my hype levels when i saw they were also just straight up improving the kit with more options. Rise is a fine game, but everyone who looked at rise horn and bought into the "omg this whole game is a love letter to hunting horn" stuff at the start never touched the gd thing prior. Rise gutted the weapon like a fish and made it boring to use. Easier yes, but not better, which is why its so reviled by vets and newcomers alike. Its not bad per se, just doesnt hit the same hype levels as iceborne, rendering the whole endeavor pointless. Wilds looks like a true loveletter to the weapon to me. All 6 of us hunting horn mains are excited as hell. Starting with not calling it a support weapon. iceborne hunting horn's biggest issue was PR, not its kit, and a lot of that came from people not wanting to play support, then getting scared of the song list when they tried anyway. Faster songs and a few extra moves is all hunting horn really needed lol

[@KPlaysHere]

@@GrayMatter337 y'know what? I can get behind nearly all of this. What I find funny though is that from the looks of it, Wilds HH is essentially the ideas behind Rise HH but done right. All it took for people to like said ideas was for them to be added WITH the old things people liked, not INSTEAD of them. Kind of a shame really, because imagine if they would've just done this 1st in Rise. Imagine how much further Wilds would've been in the right direction if it didn't have to be used almost like a partial 'correction' of the last game

[@benturtl9076]

I'm honestly very happy the echo wave spin isn't in this video and I hope it's gone. It just felt way too spammy imo and I love that the focus is more on recitals and probably regular attacks.

[@KPlaysHere]

There's still a chance of it going either way. I remember IG users being upset that their falling stab move wasn't in the Rise trailer, but it was definitely still in the game. I wouldn't mind getting it back IF it doesn't overtake the entire moveset for your best damage output. It looks like it has some heavy competition now though, so it could end up being totally fine

[@snpgamingchannel4551]

Sonic smash attack form MhXX

[@somelittlemexican6606]

They actually drop like around 12, maybe 1 in the morning.

[@KPlaysHere]

@@somelittlemexican6606 in Japan?

[@wanderssoon]

​@@KPlaysHere in Japan is 5 PM JST

[@Jeraco24]

Thought this was monster hunter wilds? All I see is guitar hero

[@Chaotic-Loot-Goblin]

I definitely think rise HH is over hated, there where some stuff I like and some stuff I hated. I hope with time people will coom back to rise maybe 1 or 2 games down the line and apresheat what rise and it's weapons are instead of complaning about what it's not.

[@KPlaysHere]

Yeah some changes were definitely too much, but it wasn't nearly as bad as some people make it out to be

[@Vulcanfaux]

I have 5 words. Please no triple song queue.

[@zacharyhansen8250]

What's wrong with triple song queue?

[@juanraden]

Please keep the triple song queue.

[@KPlaysHere]

What didn't you like about it? I thought it was an amazing new addition.

[@Vulcanfaux]

@@zacharyhansen8250 I don't like it, people say rise single note songs was mindless but triple song queue was the "we dont have to think anymore" for me. I liked planning my moves so my song was up and ready when I wanted it while still attacking, double note mechanic made that feeling even better cuz it insentivised being aggressive too. But triple song queue... atleast rise horn is the most fun I've had playing that darn thing. For now I'm just hoping what we saw was recital into encore into a finisher, and not triple song queue.

[@zacharyhansen8250]

@@Vulcanfaux this only confused me on what you want from horn even more? Did you mean magnificent trio from Rise? Triple queueing songs in world was awesome.