Monstrum Banshee vs SIG Tango MSR: Budget vs Big Brand?

[@Monstrumtactical]

Hey Tom, Thank you so much for the thorough review, we didn't really market our extra low disperson glass, which I honestly thought was standard on $500+ scopes but I will definitely will start to from now on. Seeing the chromatic aberration on the Tango was truly unexpected. Also another thing to mention as others have pointed out, we recently received a BDC reticle configuration and will definitely be sending it over to you for input. I believe this configuration really cleans up the picture and the outer parameter is tighter and thicker as well for faster targeting. Thanks again, Chris

[@Moondog2A]

You should absolutely market the ED glass. Can't wait to test the new BDC.

[@brandongriffin1990]

Y’all should come out with a Christmas tree reticle y’all would be in business! like a moa or mil style so it works across the board and not just a 223 bdc 👍 own a couple of your products but that would be a game changer!!!!!

[@justa3v619]

I’ve bought nothing but primary arms scopes for almost a decade now and love the acss reticle. But their prices just keep going up. So I tried out the monstrum 1-10x bdc model. It compares very well against any of the primary arms slx lpvo. Honestly the monstrum wins every category in my opinion except the reticle. But in their defense it’s very hard to beat the acss reticle in my opinion. But the monstrum new bdc reticle is nice and seems to work great out to 300yds and probably farther just haven’t had a chance to stretch it out past that.

[@Moondog2A]

@@justa3v619 Agreed. I have the 1-8x SLx and hands down the Banshee glass is better clearer and sharper. Sig was able to come up with an ACSS look-alike with their MSR reticle. I don't know why Monstrum didn't do the same?

[@beamer_extremer29]

I’m awaiting the arrival of the new reticle lpvo banshees

[@shockwave6213]

Huge win for Monstrum: A friend and I just finished putting 1,000 rounds of 308 through a SCAR-17 (SCAR-H known for battering optics to death) and the optic is still holding up just fine. The Banshee is FANTASTIC. Edit: In case anyone wants to dispute the SCAR 17 reputation for destroying optics, Brass Facts and Hop did a video comparing the Trijicon VCOG and Sig Tango6T (Marine vs Army new adopted LPVO) and the SCAR-17 broke the $2,000+ VCOG. Do with that info as you wish.

[@Moondog2A]

1000 rounds of 308 with a Banshee. That's all you had to tell me. Nice. Thanks for that info. I hope you subscribed. I hope to see more posts from you in the future.

[@ozzyorsborn7972]

Really like the side by side view. I've got the Banshee 1-6 .This review makes me feel like I made a good purchase.

[@Moondog2A]

You did. I kinda like the 1-6x better because the reticle is smaller (because the reticle size is calibrated tot he maximum magnification).

[@XRinger]

I'm comparing my Banshee 1-6x to a couple of the expensive scopes that I own, and this Banshee has some darn good glass! I wonder if the 1-6x might be the best of the Banshees.?. I was thinking about the Banshee1-4x for my PCC, but I think the "Objective Diameter: 20 mm Tube Size: 1 inch" will not be near as good as the 1-6x.

[@Moondog2A]

@@XRinger Check out the BDC version of the 1-6, I like this new reticle better. amzn.to/3R02grC

[@XRinger]

@@Moondog2A I looked at that BDC reticle shown on Amazon and it's got (6) windage hashmarks on each side. The BDC scope in the review I saw at "Best Budget LPVO Set-Up Under 100 704 TACTIC.." At O:37 Has (8) windage marks on each side. Is the Amazon picture out of date? Note: The MX1 has (10) windage hash marks on each side [2 MOA each] My question: Does this new 1-6 BDC scope illuminate the Center Dot? Does light up like the MX1 center dot? If you put it in a video, it would be nice to see how it compares to the MX1 in use.

[@ordinaryavgguy]

​@@Moondog2AJust subscribed. Looking for a budget 1-6 SFP LPVO to put on a spare upper. Id step up to the Spectre if they offered the BDC reticle on that.

[@ballhead3294]

I've got the Gen 1 banshee. It preforms flawlessly. I refuse to pay ridiculous optic prices. Well informed video sir, thanks

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for watching. Hope you subbed

[@aspratt267]

I love the fact that companies like Monstrum are producing good quality optics at an affordable price. Nothing against the top tier manufacturers, but not too many people can afford to spend as much as their rifle cost them (or more) on an optic.

[@Moondog2A]

100% I'm starting to see more budget makers step up their quality though there is still a lot of Airsoft quality junk passing itself off as something more. Hope you subscribed.

[@1014p]

It's an old thing due to production limitations in the early 2000's and back. It's no longer true and has not been true for at least 6 years. Id wager last ten though to be the case. Not to mention most people are not long shooting as majority of ranges are limited. Might have a 100 yard range or a bit further.

[@beamer_extremer29]

Like your reviews, hard to find honest reviews that aren’t under contracts !

[@Moondog2A]

I appreciate that! I'm honestly surprised by how much better the glass was. The Banshee was also better than my PA SLx but that's not surprising.

[@bolriconyc3795]

Great review guy!!!!..... I have the Tango 1-10 on my 18"AR and love it. Now I'm looking to replace my Bushnell Red Dot on my Ruger 10/22 with an affordable LPVO and now I am SERIOUSLY considering this Monstrum Banshee withe the BDC-B1 reticle. This review is very informative, thanks guy!!!!

[@Moondog2A]

If I didn't already have a compact 4-12x on my 10/22 TD I'd go with the 1-10x Banshee or Panzer. Or a 1-8x. Hope you subscribed.

[@nicks2581]

I just picked up and mounted a 1-4 Banshee on my Ruger American .22lr as I wanted to move the more expensive scope to a different rifle. The scope works great so far. I may end up picking up another Banshee for one of my other .22lr rifles as it seems goid for $75.

[@pewpewbbqs]

You really knocked it out of the park w/ the information given in this video. I found it really informative for an upcoming purchase. Thank you for your time.

[@Moondog2A]

Glad it was helpful! Hope you subscribed.

[@pewpewbbqs]

Just did!!@@Moondog2A

[@Teratoma-T]

From a guy that can't afford to make a mistake, or buy both for side by side comparison; let me say THANK YOU. I love the Sig Tango from my time gawking in stores, but the banshee is more in my price range and this kind of confirms my selection for me. Great video, God bless!

[@Moondog2A]

Thank you. I hope you subscribed to the channel. God bless!

[@Teratoma-T]

For all who may see..... I had to return all the Monstrum attempts I made. For me personally, the SIG had the far easier eye box to find. I'm no expert, and need wife to be able use it easily if needed. But I will say, for the price the Monstrum optics are fine and exceeded my expectations overall. So not knocking them a bit

[@GenX-Grampa]

The Sig Tango 1-6 is actually leagues above their 1-10. I looked at both and ended up getting the 1-6 and VERY happy with it! I've since found that many guys and KZbinrs have come to the same conclusion. I much prefer better detail over an extra 2 power magnification. And mine is a crisp, clear image with great detail at all magnification levels.

[@hopewilliams6705]

Absolutely! Especially with the more budget friendly options just get the 1-6 !

[@Moondog2A]

I had a look at a Sheriff's Tango6T and it is indeed a different beast than the Tango MRS. Also like 2x the price so it should be.

[@mtnbound2764]

@@Moondog2A i think he is referring to the tango MSR 1-6 model. the nomenclature is a bit confusing. the more expensive one just drops the "MSR" part.

[@mtnbound2764]

I also have the msr 1-6 and its a very good scope for the price. i think 10x is really pushing it for a LPVO, and you dont really get to maximize the performance of the 10x.

[@Moondog2A]

It is confusing. The LEO/Military version of the 1-6x Tango is much better (and more expensive). @@mtnbound2764

[@anon_laughing_man]

Thanks fot this. I have been looking at the Monstrum Spectre 1-10x28 SFP LPVO for a close to mid range hunting scope for deer. This video helps a lot. Awesome. 👍👍👍

[@Moondog2A]

You're welcome. I hope you subscribe.

[@ipwnu_144]

This video made me feel pretty good about my Monstrum purchase, thank you for all the details, my first optic of this kind for my AR

[@Moondog2A]

Have fun! Hope you subscribed.

[@ipwnu_144]

@@Moondog2A I did!

[@HillbillyUp]

Great review Moondog, I was very impressed with the Banshee, thanks for sharing.

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for watching!

[@MoistSmok]

Great video I think you’ve captured both perspectives well and thank you because now I can feel better about getting a budget lpvo in the near future

[@Moondog2A]

As long as that budget LPVO is a Monstrum or a Primary Arms you'll be doing fine. Hope you subscribed.

[@MoistSmok]

@@Moondog2A I did indeed and those were the only two that come to mind 😅 I’ve been thinking about a primary arms prism but I need a rifle to put it on haha seems like a joke to put a magnified on my ar pistol (has a red dot) (7 1/2in barrel)

[@TheCrab90000]

I got the Monstrum Spectre 1-8 recently (as in havent shot it yet). But in looking into them, I've really come to respect them. They make budget LPVOs for what you need an LPVO to do, clear sight picture, holds zero (from what ive seen, relatively), and they dont break my wallet They know this and dont say they do anything they dont. This review and how it came to be really shows me where their priorities are, filling a market need, not saying they're better than anyone else

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks. I hope you subscribed.

[@XRinger]

The Banshee 1-6x that I have, has the center Dot illuminated. It's the MX1, not the BDC version. The green dot is needed for black target centers, When lighting is poor. Does the Tango have that feature? Does the Banshee BDC? I didn't see it. The MX1 has 2MOA marks, the box is 20 MOA wide and tall. Since the center Dot is very small, the box shows your eye where the dot is. Illumination makes it great for low light. For .223 all the normally used windage and drop marks are inside the box . Within 10 MOA, up, down or sideways. I like the MX1, because it's not overloaded like a big Christmas tree.

[@Moondog2A]

What I like about the Tango (and the Primary Arms ACSS) is that the horse shoe acts like a big dot and all you have to do is center your target in the ring. I think I'll like the new Banshee BDC because it's a bit of both the old MX1 and a tighter ring. I'm testing one now.

[@XRinger]

@@Moondog2A MX1 for indoor home defense maybe? At 1X the MX1 box is about 20" x 20" on a target at 32 feet. or 10.66 yards. The width at my shoulders is about 20" wide. So I just would fit inside the box. At 16 feet at 1X , the box would be about 10"x10" which would fit nicely on a man's chest. "all you have to do is center your target in the" Box. Don't forget the 4 corners of the box are rounded off. Sort of Ring like for fans of round.

[@jmad71]

I grabbed a Banshee and might pick up a Sig later for another build. I considered the Banshee a "versatile" red dot compromise (the red dot/magnifier combo was a personal a no go), so the weird reticle didn't offend me.

[@Moondog2A]

They have a few more reticle options since I completed this video.

[@Richard-iu9sf]

Seriously Moon I’m at a loss for why you don’t have 10X more subscribers! Another great review. My only question would be durability. I’m pretty sure the Tango could withstand my PSA KS-47 but the Monstrum? I don’t know. Thank you!

[@Moondog2A]

Good question! I'm going to durability test their new Panzer soon. Hope you subscribe.

[@Richard-iu9sf]

@@Moondog2A Sure did.

[@otrshark]

Very well done video sir. Subscribed!!! 🤙🏾

[@Moondog2A]

Much appreciated!

[@Slickjeff]

Do you think the Monstrum Banshee 1-6 would be a good entry level LPVO for my AR-15? I have never used an LPVO before though.. I am currently using the Sig Sauer Romeo 5 on my AR and it's great!

[@Moondog2A]

I think so! My other suggestion is the Arken EP8 but that's a bit more

[@Slickjeff]

@@Moondog2A okay, great, thank you!

[@Glader08]

This was a very comfortable watch. I like your content and im looking forwardto more

[@Moondog2A]

Hope you subscribed. Glad you enjoyed! I just finished a review a review of their new Panzer. Did you see it?

[@FraserFir-sb4lk]

Personally, I prefer the Monstrum B1 reticle more than the MX1 reticle. A T crosshair with center dot and a broken 3 piece circle that's a fair bit smaller than the MX1's octagonal box. Also there's half as many hash marks on the posts so overall it's much less 'busy'.

[@Moondog2A]

It is unfortunate that Monstrum sent me this just before they release the BC1 reticle. But I am reviewing the scope now. I'll be posting that video soon. Hope you subscribed.

[@upStomp]

I have 3 Monstrums (plus multiple accessories), all of which outperform other "budget" China scopes I've used in the past. Specifically, I have an Athlon that lost its axis (can't see through scope when looking straight on) one day without ever having dropped it and only using it for 22LR. Replacing it with the equivalent Monstrum cost me about $150 less. I'll stick with Monstrum for most of my budget builds.

[@Moondog2A]

Doesn't Athlon have a lifetime warranty? Did you send it back?

[@ingongoyama3995]

Respect. I like the way you introed this review

[@Moondog2A]

Right on. I appreciate that! I hope you subscribed.

[@903thrax9]

i have a 1-6 lpvo from monstrum. It's too bright when illuminated and you can see the light reflect on the inside walls of the optic. May not be a problem in the day but at night it reflects onto your face. basic crosshairs but works well and is clear with a true 1x. Got it on sale for $80 so I really can't complain. I also have a 1-4 Osprey Global lpvo. Better crosshair design, no light reflects on the inside of the scope and green/red illumination. Got it at a gun show brand new for cheap but it's listed on their site for $260.

[@Moondog2A]

Is it too bright at 1 power?

[@903thrax9]

@@Moondog2A only too bright in low light conditions. The red illumination setting could probably be used at night on low power but the green is still too bright. Unfortunately neither is bright enough to see the illumination during the day.

[@gmac7467]

Great comparison. Thanks

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for watching!

[@getbrainseeds]

just when your vid convinced me into a monstrum prism you just convinced me to check out their lpvo too lol, thumbs up here

[@Moondog2A]

Their prism is only a few ounces lighter, I'd go with the LPVO. Hope you subscribed.

[@mdj300]

I just got the Banshee 1-10 Good info.

[@Moondog2A]

Which reticle did you get? Hope you subscribed.

[@tonyreyes3294]

Monstrum Banshee amazing view quality I own a few

[@ClayMurray]

They do offer a BDC reticle option that looks better. I may have to pick one up to play with after seeing your review.

[@Moondog2A]

I just found out about the new BDC version after I did this video. I'm going to review one soon. Hope you subscribe.

[@BigTee3099]

Very good video! I have the Arken EP8 1-8 LPVO on my Colt Hbar, and the Tango 1-6 on my Windham .308. Im looking for a budget LPVO for my Delton .556 carbine and this Monstrum is very impressive. I like the banshee but I think I may go with the Monstrum Spectre in 1-8. Thanks!

[@Moondog2A]

Good choice! The Spectre is optically the same as the Banshee. The only difference is the turret being exposed vs capped.

[@floydwills8641]

Hey, I love you channel, I watched a video of yours a few hours ago and said to myself "hey I wish that this guy would compare the Monstrom LPVO to a high power 😮 A few hours later, you posted this video. Perfect🤌🏾! I'm going to buy the Banshee 1-10× Scope now. I was wondering which scope is best for the DDM4-A1 WITH a 14.5in 1:7 twist rate barrel. I couldn't decide between the 1-8x, 1-6x, or the 1-10x scope. On this matter, I am not sure, but I am sure I won't be wasting my money now or disappointed. Thanks to you. Keep up the good work

[@Moondog2A]

I kinda favor the 1-6x in a SFP because the reticle is smaller/finer. They make it smaller to calibrate the Mil dots/slashes to the max magnification. This matters at 1x because as you saw in my review the highlight box at 1x looks too big.

[@NoSteponthedave]

After this video im excited to know i can get an lpvo for a decent price ive definitely been curious about them. And yes im subscribed 😉

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for the sub!

[@mikehenthorn1778]

i'm liking the monstrum scopes more and more after watching your videos. i enjoy the one i have . i wish Nikon still made scopes. that was great glass. as for the cross hairs i find i like the banshee one better. like the peep and post i find my eye centers the scope nicely. the tango was too faint for some dots and too busy when you just needed to center.

[@Moondog2A]

Check out Tract scopes. The guys who used to work for Nikon USA started that company after Nikon dropped out of rifle scopes.

[@mikehenthorn1778]

@@Moondog2A thanks i shoot nikon class on my camera so i love their glass.

[@chembio101]

I just got the Monstrom 2-10 30 inch tube MPVO with the BDCB1 illuminated reticle. Incredible performance and clarity! 99.99 dollars for scope and awesome one piece cantilever scope mount and flip up scope covers! One of the best deals on the internet!

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for that insight. Hope you subscribed. What made you pick the 2-10 MPVO over the Panzer 1-10? Eyebox?

[@willtrax71]

Absolutely not what I was expecting with a side by side comparison. I have been using a Sig Whiskey for a while and it’s an amazing Optic for less than 200 bucks but not impressed with that Version of the Tango, I will say I can’t stand that useless Box Reticle on the Monstrum. That was a great Honest Review my friend and you did Monstrum Proud. Semper Fidelis

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks. I'm testing out the new version of the Banshee with the BDC1 reticle but it's still not as good of a design than the MSR or ACSS. Hope you subscribed.

[@BooDamnHoo]

If the square in the Banshee was about 1/4 the size it would be a good reticle.

[@Moondog2A]

I know, right?! That's why I liked their 1-6x version. Unfortunately they used the same glass etched reticle for the 1-10x so it got scaled up. And it would cost too much to make custom reticle for just one version of the model. I hope you subscribe

[@bjbarlow]

Great job on the reviews. Def earned a new subscriber. I really enjoy your presentations and information given without all the tactitard larping. Well done, Sir.

[@Moondog2A]

Awesome, thank you! My joints are getting to old to LARP.

[@bjbarlow]

I understand completely! lol@@Moondog2A

[@rustymiller194]

I bought a banshee 1-8 on a goof when 704 Tactical announced a sale on them for a little over $100 . ….. I’m well pleased with the banshee !!! And I’m not afraid of breaking it because of how much it costs…… Just bought a panzer lpvo from them because of the banshee…

[@Moondog2A]

How you liking the Panzer? I'm not sure if I like the reticle better than the Banshee BC1?

[@rustymiller194]

@@Moondog2A just bought it 4 days ago. I'm still waiting on it to ship 😃.... I'll let you know when I get it. Thinking of putting it on my M1A socom...

[@southerndad68]

Thanks for the review I was thinking about buying the Sig Tango this week when I got paid but after seeing this video I think I'm going to get the Banshee instead.

[@Moondog2A]

Good choice! Thanks for subscribing.

[@linkchen8245]

Monstrum can def use some help designing the reticles. Great reviews !

[@Moondog2A]

Very true! Thanks for subscribing.

[@eyesonthekingdom]

now I may be incorrect here but.. lets say at min 8:20, you were talking about the clearity of the banshee over the tango.. however, if you look outside the optic on the lower left and right of each scope, look at the concrete... you can see the grain on the ground on the banshee test yet the concrete on the tango is extremely blurry... you think maybe the camera focus could have affected your results?

[@Moondog2A]

That's not he ground, it's the backstop you're seeing in both scopes. But it's not just the camera. Looking through my naked eye the Tango's clarity and brightness was just, meh. SIGs long scopes are great but this LPVO was disappointing.

[@joshuaclark3414]

The camera lens coloring was different on the side by side views. Look at color of car. That’s what made the monstrum pilot look sharper. It was the camera.

[@Moondog2A]

Cameras auto correct for color. Not much I can do about that. But the sharpness is what it is no matter who blue or yellow it is?

[@drew480az]

Great content and comparison. Subbed!

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for the sub!

[@bayouromanian]

Excellent video. I really enjoyed this comparison style and I would love to see more comparison videos like this. Perhaps more lpvo comparisons or prism & red dot vs lpvo. Overall great content cool channel!

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks! Will do! I hope to do more in the new year.

[@mncrawlerscompscale4631]

Great review .. I have the fixed 3x banshee and it has the same reticle but with an illuminated center dot inside the square with the clipped corners .. wonder why monstrum didn't give the 1-10 the same dot. Subscribed today .. again great video !!

[@Moondog2A]

Because it's a SFP and at 10x that reticle is calibrated to the magnification so the square and dot are gonna be bigger. I have the 6x version of this LPVO and that's sized better (still too big IMHO).

[@TankUSA]

The dot is illuminated you can clearly see so at 10:17 unless I am misunderstanding what you mean, the center dot is definitely illuminated on both red and green.

[@joshturner7917]

Imo: ​@@TankUSA sir, the (poi) point of impact center dot upon monstrum banshee could be a bit larger/easily discernible. Question, is that the 300 Sig MsR or, 1000+ dollar Sig Tango T (?) Something? Sig's reticle looks nearly identical to strike eagle II by Vortex. & i want any of em ✌️

[@TankUSA]

@@joshturner7917 I agree. I was merely stating it is also illuminated as the op seemed to suggest the reticle wasn’t. Thanks for the input!

[@Dwayne7834]

Very good review Thanks for sharing 👍🇺🇸

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for watching! Hope you subscribed.

[@TacticalBuffoonary]

Clearly sig spent the majority of the development on making the msr look tacticool than giving it good glass quality. The sig is by no means considered a high end optic’ its their budget scope and they skimped on the glass. Now the monstrum lvpo has a horrible recital design which is why I would never buy one. They did just release a new version with a better recital. It would have been better to compare their newer 1-10 to the sig. I wouldn’t buy either of these optics for the reasons I mentioned. But if you don’t have a big budget at least people have options and I bet the newer monstrum ( Panzer ) would have been the better option comparatively. Also’ this was a great review that demonstrates the differences of low budget optics and by doing these reviews you really show people the differences. If I was looking at these brands I would definitely know what direction to go’ for me it would be somewhere else and I would never know that if it wasn’t for honest reviews by competent people like yourself. 👍

[@Moondog2A]

Great points. I've just gotten the Panzer and the new BC1 reticle Banshee. I'll be posting a review of both soon. Be sure to Subscribe and hit the Bell and you'll be the first to see it when it goes live.

[@TacticalBuffoonary]

@@Moondog2AI am subscribed you make solid content brother.

[@Baptizebyfire-n9v]

Great job. I really enjoy your insight.

[@Moondog2A]

I appreciate that! I just try to tell things from my point of view as a typical weekend shooter. Hope you subscribed.

[@RustyShacklefardd]

I have a monstrum and a tango. I can't remember what scope the monstrum is but I put it on my 6.5 creedmoor and I was driving holes into 1" groups at 200 yards. I'm not gonna pretend it's high quality but it has clear glass and holds zero for deer hunts

[@Moondog2A]

Sounds like what I feel about it.

[@a.joegevara3519]

Why wouldn't you compare the Monstrum Spectre? Its 1-10x28 with a 34mm tube. I picked one up on a 1/2 price sale for $139 shipped! Haven't shot with it yet, but I have it mounted on a new 6.5 grendel build, I can look 500yds across a field into a wood line, and wouldn't hesitate to take a shot on a whitetail. Thanks for your content!

[@Moondog2A]

Monstrum wanted to focus on the Banshee since it's their newest LPVO. I reviewed a Spectre last year. Let me know how you like shooting it on the 6.5 Grendel. What distance do you typically take you game? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGqcZ5poe9ppq5I

[@a.joegevara3519]

@@Moondog2A Usually heavy woods inside 100 yards. I love my 308s, just built 2 6.5cm, gas/bolt. My grandson is wanting to start hunting so the grendel should be perfect for him, but I'm excited about it too!

[@rc-pm1fe]

geat review, can you do the swampfox arrowed 1x10 or primary arms slx 1x10

[@Moondog2A]

Excellent suggestion. Hope you subscribed.

[@rc-pm1fe]

@@Moondog2A I did sir

[@tufftrucker40]

I recently purchased a crossbow scope made by monstrum and its twice as nice as the lumix speed ring i have. That being said i have thought about buying a gen3 6x24 monstrum for a precision. 22 rimfire that needs a good scope. The only thing holding me back is the moa retical, i like to use mil but if monstrum had plans for a good precision scope in mil i could wait a while.

[@Moondog2A]

Good point, I don't even know if Monstrum even makes an MIL scope? They should. But if you're shooting Precision .22LR woudn't you want a MOA because of the smaller adjustments? If you were doing NRL22 or PRS training, I could totally understand wanting MIL.

[@tufftrucker40]

@MoondogIndustries I like mil because I know how it works and it's easier for my mind to comprehend. Lol. I do have an moa scope on my other precision 22 and I'm slowly learning it but on my precision center fire stuff it's all mil.

[@DroneFarmer]

Your video is what ended up making me buy a second monstrum optic. I started with their 3X prism and upgraded to the banshee 1-8x with this same reticle. I’m not sure I’d trust my life on this budget sight, but on my backyard, 22 cal air rifle, it’s a great choice and gives me a little more magnification than the 3X. Thanks for your great reviews.

[@Moondog2A]

You're welcome. Hope you subscribed.

[@Sui778]

I would have to flatly say the 1-6X version of the Tango MSR is clearly better than both of these scopes as this version doesn't start to blur out at maximum zoom like the 1-10x Tango MSR does, and also better than the 1-6X version of the Banshee (I have this one also) and not just because of the reticles. Having said that I like both of mine, and I did buy them for different purposes - the Tango MSR is for an AR-15 (which makes sense) and got the Banshee for a Ruger 10/22 (which also makes sense). The reticle illumination of the Banshee is definitely inferior to that of the Tango MSR - the lighting is not very well balanced - there are areas dimmer than others. Now while this doesn't render it unusable it can potentially be annoying to some people. However the etched reticle itself notwithstanding the illumination is nice and sharp. I dunno if the same is true of the Banshee 1x10 - I couldn't really tell on your video other than to say that the Tango was definitely still brighter. The glass quality on the Tango is also somewhat better - I find the Banshee to be a little more wavy, and I find the Tango MSR's eye relief better , especially on 6X. I have to agree with you however that the simple fact is, whether you have the 1-6x or 1-10x versions of these scopes it's hard to go wrong.

[@Moondog2A]

I'm finding 1-10x scopes to be a marketing driven trend in LPVO's. Hope you subscribed.

[@Sui778]

@@Moondog2A Pretty much to be expected, as with everything else. I generally don't need 10x for the distances I shoot at.

[@michaelmcatee221]

I think the banshee reticle would have been good on a ffp scope. If that's what it looked like on 10x and we zoomed out on it as we reduced magnification it would have been a great center point for fast shooting.

[@Moondog2A]

Fair point

[@renatosureal]

Arriving 8 months to late, but yet getting smarter each and every review. Thanks a lot for this comparison. I'm surprised about BANSHEE's image quality at 10x and overall performance !! but TANGO's reticle looks better functional to me. I just wished MONSTRUM to be bicolor, all models.

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed. Do you prefer green illumination?

[@albertptran]

Wow! What range is that? It's massive

[@Moondog2A]

It's the Sheriff's training center in San Mateo, CA

[@Arkancide]

Only reason I bothered with a 1-6x Tango was cause I found it on sale at the same time I got my .308! 1x is good, and 2-4x is pretty good too. Sad thing is, even at 6x I see the same darkening/muddying you see on the 10x. The 1-6x is budget too, so I'm not going to complain overmuch. I will be saving up for a better optic though. Monstrum has interested me with their prism optics, but the reticle has turned me off everytime. Get me a horseshoe or similar style reticle and I'd give Monstrum a try.

[@Moondog2A]

I hear Monstrum is working on some new reticles. I hope one of them looks more like an ACSS or MSR reticle. Hope you subscribed.

[@P8ntballN3RD]

I assume the banshee mount isn't compatible with a dovetail rail?

[@Moondog2A]

Nope, the Banshee and Tango mounts are for Picatinny. But you can get an 11mm dovetail clamp on adapter to Picatinny.

[@P8ntballN3RD]

Yup thought so. Thanks for the reply.@@Moondog2A

[@dsxz]

get dovetail rings..

[@dreday1332]

Love the content! Can you do a review on the Sig Tango 6 T?

[@Moondog2A]

I'll try. Hopefully one of the LEO's at my club has one?

[@dreday1332]

That would be great! Have you done one on the Eotech vudu 1-10? I searched your videos but did not find one.

[@Moondog2A]

I'm getting a Vudu later this year. Stay tuned and subscribe. @@dreday1332

[@dreday1332]

Already done and will do. Thanks

[@TheLoneRanger745]

The Tango BCD IS A MUST , That alone is the Big deal , gotta have it on your rifle 😁 ❤

[@alfaalex101]

I have the 5x magnifier and I’m more than happy with it. Yes I own Japanese glass as well and both are great!

[@Moondog2A]

You have the Monstrum 5x magnifier? Hope you subscribed.

[@alfaalex101]

@@Moondog2A Yep I have it. Works as advertised!

[@albertptran]

Happy with my Banshee 1-6x

[@Moondog2A]

Which reticle did you choose?

[@jsmith613]

I wonder if monstrum (or any brand) hand pick or builds scopes for these kinds of reviews? Kind of like the Whopper advertised picture vs. the one you actually get, lol. We may never know🤷‍♂️

[@Moondog2A]

The samples I got came through Amazon so it's not likely they would have conspired with Amazon to only ship their good one? Not in this case but in other videos I've gotten defective samples. I contact the company like any customer and ask for a replacement. I do mention that in a past video where the reticle wasn't aligned correctly, I forget which video.

[@bryanochoa4719]

Which would you recommend the new banshee fiber or spectr ?

[@Moondog2A]

Depends if you want exposed or capped turrets. For an LPVO, I recommend capped.

[@zerohero6602]

Banshee coming in at 17oz, thats very lightweight! Weight plays a huge role in lpvo that most people don't realize once you get out and train

[@Moondog2A]

Excellent point. Especially if you are a hunger. Hope you subscribed.

[@jdegaetano1975]

@MoondogIndustries and @Monstrumtactical Could you share the color chart used in the side by side comparison located in the top left corner of the targets? This would be very helpful for us to compare our scopes at home. Thanks.

[@Moondog2A]

Here is the calibration chart. Hope you subscribed. amzn.to/4a0md8a

[@jdegaetano1975]

@@Moondog2A I did, your videos are great, thank you! Much appreciated!

[@sfdefender25]

Were you in the service? Retired AF SF.

[@Moondog2A]

I didn't have the honor to serve. But my brother and grandfather were Army.

[@tribalncgaming1091]

i went with the OSPREY 1x10 FFP .. lifetime warranty etc. 600.00 cost.

[@Moondog2A]

Can't find an Ospry sold locally. But I like my Arken EP8

[@pinegoon]

Monstrum now offers a different reticle in the banshee , and it's much better than the cropped square! IMO

[@Moondog2A]

100%

[@CntBckt]

After moving to the shaded area at 10x, the Tango looks like the camera is off-center from the eyebox. Is this how it looked to your eye as well? I'm asking because the image through it looked significantly cleaner before the move, and the scope body didn't appear as high in the frame.

[@Moondog2A]

They camera mount may have tilted down a bit (seeing a bit of the edge of the eyebox) but I didn't change the eye relief. I did refocus to make sure the focus was as sharp as I could get it before filming.

[@CntBckt]

@@Moondog2A Gotcha. Thank you for responding. :)

[@mrshort2379]

Actually I would like to see a comparison of the Sig Tango 1-6x against the Victor Optics S6 1-6x lpvo

[@Moondog2A]

Is it just me but does anybody else get Victoptics confused with Vector Optics?

[@jasonmunsey246]

How well does each preform. How well do they hold zero

[@Moondog2A]

I had to return the Tango as it was a loaner, so I don't have it anymore. But those who've owned both say they haven't had problems. The Banshee has only been out for a year. So far I haven't had any problem holding zero.

[@jsavage428]

I have a banshee 1-10x that i was able to grab for 135$ through 704Tactical deal code. I rolled the dice because of the price. I feel like i stole it honestly. For the price you absolutely CANNOT beat this LPVO. NCSTAR price but keeps up with much more expensive optics. Couldnt be happier.

[@Moondog2A]

NCSTAR optics were strictly airsoft grade and not even that good for garbage glass.

[@jsavage428]

@@Moondog2A lol yea I know. I just made a reference to point out the great price point. I would never run that stuff 😂

[@dirtycommtroop]

I dont mind the MX1 reticle. I feel like i can get on target faster.

[@Moondog2A]

More power to ya! Hope you subscribe.

[@Tee-ina-Skee-Mask]

got the 1-4 banshee with the b1 reticle which is basically just the more tacticle reticle that you said was the biggest drawback. idk about th 1-10 tho

[@Moondog2A]

I know, right?! I have a B1 Banshee now and I have to finish my video of that. Hope you subscribed.

[@Rich-pv7ud]

I believe the Monstrum glass is made by Nikon 8:04

[@Moondog2A]

It looks as good as Nikon but it's Chinese made ED glass.

[@n.r.9468]

The banshee has 2 other reticles now bdc-b1 and bdc-c1

[@williambilse]

Did you focus the sig?

[@Moondog2A]

Yes I focused both as sharp as I could get it.

[@Oldman650]

How would the Monstrum Spectre lpvo compare to the Tango?

[@Moondog2A]

Even better. The Spectre uses the same glass as the Banshee plus the Spectre has a 34mm tube so it has comparable range of adjustment to the Tango.

[@vittoriovuocolo2438]

You sold me. I put one in my Amazon cart.

[@Moondog2A]

Which one?

[@mikehenthorn1778]

2nd comment so people can gripe about it. lol i would have liked to see the scopes "boxed", i.e. had the adjustments turned to make a box to see if they came back to center. it would tell if in case you dial in windage of drop for reasons and then went back are you still zeroed.

[@Moondog2A]

Sorry I skipped the box test. For the sake of time and because these scopes were designed as medium range combat optics for the shooter to use the reticles for wind or drop adjustments.

[@TacticalOwtlaw]

Will you be reviewing the new Monstrum Panzer 1-10 FFP LPVO?

[@Moondog2A]

Yes. I just got a Panzer. I'll be posting a review in 2 weeks. Be sure to hit the bell and subscribe.

[@sleigh4019]

Monstrum new fiber wire is badass.. And good for them to say yeah not as good but its a solid choice for the cash .. And there driving tech and price down which the should be tanked for imo

[@Moondog2A]

Good point. Like Arken did for PRS scopes, Monstrum is really driving down the price of a usable LPVO.

[@demolitionkid2]

I have the Panzer 1x10 FFP....... its 👌

[@Moondog2A]

100% Hope you subbed.

[@EDOGZ818]

@12:00 That's why I sub'd & hit the Thumbs Up*

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks!

[@EDOGZ818]

@@Moondog2A I was shopping & they have a new reticle. It's prime day on amazon & competition is $40 cheaper. Does Monstrom offer a lifetime warranty? A comment in this videos comment section gives Monstrom CS the thumbs up. That may be the difference. Can you get us a discount code?

[@Moondog2A]

@@EDOGZ818 Yes they do

[@EDOGZ818]

@@Moondog2A I guess that's the way to go.

[@crabjoe]

Can you actually shoot with both and let us know how well they holds zero?

[@Moondog2A]

I've run over 100rounds through this Banshee since this video and it's held zero.

[@rollinthesweets6147]

The ffp version of the msr 1-10 seems to have much nicer glass

[@Moondog2A]

Probably? But it wouldn't be a fair comparison to put a SFP LPVO against a FFP.

[@rollinthesweets6147]

@@Moondog2A True, there’s almost zero reviews of the sig ffp 1-10 its always the sfp for some reason haha I cant find anyone comparing the two and I want to know if they’re actually noticeably different or just me 😅

[@Succeedlikeyoubreathe]

I just got the 1-6 on the blem deals

[@Moondog2A]

Nyce!

[@seancramer1096]

For a sub $200 optic it’s worth the money good job Monstrun

[@Moondog2A]

Indeed. Hope you subbed.

[@Rich-pv7ud]

Monstrum has a bdc reticle 14:33

[@Moondog2A]

Indeed. You'll find a review of the BDC reticle in my library. I hope you subscribe.

[@Bluescout612]

If you go to their web site they offer two other reticles.

[@Moondog2A]

They do now.

[@Bluescout612]

Sorry I did not think about how long ago the video was done. But at least it lets everyone who may not like the reticle that was available when you did the review that there are newer choices. Good videos thanks for the review@@Moondog2A

[@Moondog2A]

Thanks I hope you subscribed?@@Bluescout612

[@Bluescout612]

I did@@Moondog2A

[@shootinnscootin5545]

I just ordered the Banshee 2-10x30 MPVO for my PTR91 and the Banshee 1-6x24 LPVO for my 16 inch AR. Glad to see they're good optics for the price.

[@Moondog2A]

Which reticle did you choose? Hope you subscribed.

[@shootinnscootin5545]

@@Moondog2A BDC-B1 on the MPVO and MX1 on the LPVO. Looking forward to getting them mounted and taking them into the mountains for a shooting day. And I'll definitely subscribe!

[@shootinnscootin5545]

​@@Moondog2AI'll be posting some videos on my channel asap.

[@tsafa]

The Tango has a better reticle that brings you to the center. All the other things are the same, but the combat reticle is the most important part of a combat scope. Sig Tango needs to cut their price in half. They're not twice as good. Just a little bit better.

[@Moondog2A]

The Primary Arms has a better reticle than the Tango and costs less

[@DrJimBoston]

Thank you for Metric and Hamburger units!

[@Moondog2A]

Any time!

[@daltonbell7332]

I have the banshee 1-10 and I have the kill box reticle that I like a lot better than either of these reticles shown

[@Moondog2A]

the MX1 reticle?

[@daltonbell7332]

@@Moondog2A yea

[@Bigrig2020-c1d]

I would neither is bad, it depends on the customers budget. The only thing i would be worried with is durability and holding zero compared to the sig.

[@Moondog2A]

I don't have the SIG anymore (had to return it to Monstrum) but I'm doing a long term test with a 1-6x Banshee on my primary falling plates rifle so I'll be posting an update at the end of the year. Hope you subscribed.

[@drawingslim]

Sig MSR is a budget optic

[@Moondog2A]

Compared to a NF ATCR yes.

[@justinmurray4652]

Wow banshee looks MUCH better.