Mormonism | Ep 9 with

[@joshsmith3903]

I was a member for 40 years!!! After I got out it’s so hilariously untrue it’s embarrassing!! So much I could say about this church. Glad God delivered us out!

[@Yeshuawins]

Being born and raised in Utah, with so many friends and family caught up in this gospel that is no gospel at all...I thank you all for doing things like this. God will overcome and I can't wait to see this state embrace the real God of the bible!

[@ionut-daniel-iosifmalita8543]

Unfortunately, most ex-mormons become atheists or agnostics, not Christian.

[@ftk-forthekingdomministrie7439]

Mormonism: the original American Islam

[@RoyalProtectorate]

lol not even close.

[@michaelbanda9993]

@@RoyalProtectoratevery close

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@michaelbanda9993 Unless you can point out a time where Mormons ever encouraged ppl to convert ppl to their religion through force, then it's not close. Catholicism and mainstream Protestantism are ironically closer to Islam than Mormonism. Those 2 religions have a centuries old history of converting ppl to their religion through force.

[@PurePuritan]

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[@Rjrupert555]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I think they were talking about the child brides, multiple wives and that the whole religion depends on the truthfulness of one man.

[@Fattrack1]

Great content. Thanks for all your hard work in putting together all the info that you do! You guys are definitely equipping the Saints.

[@RevolutionarySeth]

Outstanding episode. I live in Idaho and we have a lot of Mormons here. Can't wait to have my wife listen to this.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

@@RevolutionarySeth thanks!

[@ReformedStudent1689]

I was privileged to go on a brief mission trip to the Salt Lake Valley this summer and work with some of the few Christian churches there and visit Apologia Church Utah at the end of the trip. Only 2% of the 1.3 million people living in the valley are Protestant Christians. It was so sad to see a whole culture so lost and without (for the most part) ever hearing a presentation of the Gospel. Edit: I hope this one drops on your podcasting platforms! Sometimes it seems that there's some sort of glitch where the Friday Specials don't get released anywhere besides YT (ie. Scientology). Keep up the good work, RRM!

[@appaloosa42]

Even this is missing important words and phrases.

[@HaleStorm49]

What happened to that Apologia pastor who was molesting his foster kid? Did they ever get that sorted out? Hendrickson, right?

[@ReformedStudent1689]

@@HaleStorm49 I don't know what you are talking about. Are you sure you're not confusing an Apologia church with some other church? I've never heard of an Apologia pastor with that last name.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@ReformedStudent1689 maybe he's just a member and not a pastor. I read about it a few years so I'd have to go back and look. You went to SLC and thought the whole culture is lost? I know there are a lot of wokes that have relocated there and SLC is now minority Mormon but which cities in America are not lost by contrast to the lostness/gospel-less SLC?

[@ReformedStudent1689]

@@HaleStorm49 Oh okay, I don't know about that story. Yes you're right that the Mormonism is slowly dying off in SLC. Most of the LDS that were Mormons moved to Provo or Ogden nearby. I think the Salt Lake Valley (which includes those three cities and a few others) is one of the most spiritually lost cities because there are so few Christians there (2%). All the LDS members that I met had never met a Protestant before, let alone heard the biblical gospel message. In other cities most people have the chance to hear the gospel message because there's many churches, whereas in the SLV that chance is very close to zero.

[@HaleStorm49]

Ward radio just had a great episode highlighting how many people investigate the church and get baptized because of these types of discussions. Jeff Durbin and Allen Parr seem to be the most effective proselyters when it comes to unwittingly spurring sincere curiosity and truth seeking among evangelicals. Keep up the great work guys!

[@catotheyounger2689]

As a Latter-Day Saint, I am grateful that anti content brings people to our church. However, there is more to Right Response ministries than being anti. I have watched enough of Webbon's videos (probably too much) to know what he is all about. He along with like-minded Christians have articulated an agenda to establish a theocracy in the United States. Blasphemy laws would shut down our temples and church buildings since we aren't "Christian." Now, I don't think this will ever happen. However, their ideas have become increasingly common among Christians in politics and society. Durbin, who is also a buddy of Webbon's, has fantasized about seeing our temples come down. Webbon wants to see mosques disappear. This way of thinking is atrocious and we need to stand up against it. If Ward Radio or anyone is to respond to this, they need to focus more on just the anti tropes. We cannot be okay with people wanting to end our way of life.

[@Rjrupert555]

Well if Psych ward radio said it then it is almost a guarantee that it is false. Funny fact, I actually had a family member leave the church because of ward radio. She went there for answers and realized very quickly that they were not Christ like in any way.

[@catotheyounger2689]

​@@Rjrupert555well, Ward Radio does present themselves as comedians. If someone is offended by their style, that's on them.

[@Rjrupert555]

@@catotheyounger2689 I don’t think anyone one was offended by them. They just went there searching for answers and facts and all they found was personal attacks and coping tactics. As far as them being comedians, the only way these guys have any value as comedians is if you are on the outside watching them.

[@catotheyounger2689]

@@Rjrupert555 this doesn't seem like it is really Ward Radio's fault, since there are other places to turn to if you want information. Saints Unscripted, Scripture Central, and Keystone, is where doubting members should turn to.

[@jacobmayberry1126]

My goodness these gentlemen are just full of misinformation. Historians do not agree as to whether Joseph was actually convicted in his 1826 trial for being a "glass looker". There are no court transcripts and all we have are reminiscent accounts from spectators and their accounts don't agree either. I'd recommend reading the article "Being Acquitted of a 'Disorderly Person' Charge in 1826" by Legal Scholar and historian Gordon Madsen.

[@ObsoleteVernacularProductions]

I love you guys, but we need to have a serious talk about dressing like adult men

[@vanessagrant4042]

I was a born again Christian in Canada looking for a church that lived out the word of God. I was approached by Mormons and attended the church for two years. I believe it was my former knowledge of the true Word of God, that led me back out. It’s a very convincing religion. They’re very clean on paper.

[@gundriver6439]

Why is there never emphasis on the fact that Mormonism CANNOT stand up to any applicable scientific scrutiny? E.g., archeology, anthropology, genetics (yes genetics), or etymology?

[@HaleStorm49]

What about the social sciences? Sociology Psychology Economics Linguistics Education Why are the running circles around all the non cults when studied with scientific scrutiny? You aren't counting those?

[@gundriver6439]

@@HaleStorm49 I think you're not understanding the why behind my listed sciences. It's based off Mormon writings/beliefs/. Example: NO NO NO, Native Americans are NOT semitic (genetics). Another example: etymology. Why did Joseph Smith write in 16th century vernacular? NOBODY was speaking and writing 16 century english in the mid 1820s America, let alone 1820s England. Mormons are notoriously lacking in discernment and intuitive thinking and their established apologetics is laughable to the point of being ludicrous.

[@scrambler8111]

Because its not as easy as you think. Not to mention the same arguments can be used against the Bible.

[@matthewzmarzley]

Very informative Thank you brothers

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

There is this point where they lower the temp and pressure of H2O where it can freeze, boil, and liquify all at once. Sorry I can't recall the word.

[@robertthifault4080]

I thought COLD OPEN was a hauntedcosmos thing, hahahahah

[@prayingpatriot8018]

Most Moreman and non-Mormons do not know that Hill Camora is actually a native American burial ground.

[@tylerailshie]

37:10 Joseph Smith was born almost 200 years after the KJV was first published. Even the later revised publication was long before his time.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

I believe the reason there's so much doubt and confusion with early church history has to do with our perceptions of the Roman empire and it's change to Christianity as the state religion. There's a suspicion when the political mingles with the spiritual and you get the impression that there wouldn't be a pure adoption of Jesus's teachings because many of them run counter to what an empire would aspire to do. And then when you add the fact that the Roman empire was formerly a pagan land it makes the situation even more precarious. Now, on the other hand this is where faith has to be in action so Christians can know that Christ kingdom will prevail no matter what and that we are to always discern what spirit is driving any practice.

[@Kikuye]

So I was in a Korea based Calvinist word of faith (fun mix, right?)cult here in the United States. I'd love to be able to talk to you guys about it to spread the word to help keep people away. Their theology and the way they their Calvinist spin works and even their covenant theology has all sorts or issues along with the word of faith and denying reality...

[@jacobmayberry1126]

Many of these "occult" practices weren't occult. They were common folk Christian practices at the time that were not unique to the Smiths at all. And many of these allegations of the occult simply aren't true and are based on bad source material. Read "That old black Magic" by William Hamblin for a good review of D. Michael Quinn's book "Mormonism and the early magic worldview" since Andrew decided to bring that book up. It's a 170 page review that tears that book apart and shows that Quinn misrepresents his sources. And Andrew, please learn your history. Phrenology was considered a science during that time. It wasn't occult.

[@chrism.1421]

In (Mormon scripture) Doctrine and Covenants 124, God declares that if the latter-day saints heed the voice of God and his servants, they will not be moved from their place. But if they do not, they will be rejected as a church. This declaration was given in Nauvoo, shortly before they were forced out, west to Salt Lake. When Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum were murdered (also shortly before the LDS were forced out of Nauvoo), there were two witnesses - the last two to see them alive - John Taylor and Willard Richards. John Taylor refused to testify, and insisted that others do not testify regarding the death of Joseph Smith. The account of how Joseph Smith died was given by John Taylor, but only after Willard Richards died many years later. It was a very fanciful story. John Taylor would go on to become the third president of that church. Upon the death of Joseph and Hyrum, there was a lot of contention as to who should lead the church. Some wanted their third brother, Samuel Smith to lead the church - he would survive an assassination attempt shortly after the first two died, and then die of a mysterious illness a month later. His death was not investigated. It is my understanding, sought through prayer, that Joseph Smith is a prophet, that very many lies have been told about him, and that church apostatized around the time of his death. This is a belief shared by many others now. Sadly, they are also mistaken. They hold the Brigham Young was the mastermind, holding as evidence that he left on a trip during the time that Joseph Smith died - as if that makes sense. Brigham Young, though something of a scoundrel, was not John Taylor. The whole world now believes, against all evidence, that God despises Polygyny. Assemble all your evidence for monogamy-only and compare it to the following - Genesis 25:1-6+Genesis 26:2-5, Exodus 21:10, 2 Samuel 12:7-8, 2 Chronicles 24:2-3, Isaiah 4:1-2, Jeremiah 3 - and tell me which case is stronger. I'd like to see you debate Pete Rambo on the topic.

[@PanhandleFrank]

But those DREAMY BLUE EYES ...

[@robertthifault4080]

50% humour is 100% jest

[@Annah-n1n]

Am wondering why you gentlemen havent done the roman catholic cult. Do you know the history of it and how is it established in blood of millions of real true Christians?? Just to combine paganism practices into church and declare it to be the only truth?? And how many are in this cult today and dont know all the facts.

[@wallywest001]

The Restoration Movement(which if your read The Word of God is Impossible, because God Never Fails and Jesus Never The Lost The Church) Spawned multiple Denominations that are all related to each other- 1. The Restorationis aka your Churches of Christ and "Non-Denominational" Christian Churches that branched off from the Restoration Movement. 2. You Have Mormonism, and Mormons and The Church of Christ are very Cozy and comfortable with one another, because some Churches of Christ during the Restoration Movement became Mormons. 3. Seventh Day Adventists and 4. Jehovas Witnesses. Which sadly are All Cults or Cult Like in their behavior. Through the Restoration Movement the Gospel was watered down and Americanized into "Jesus Loves You and Jesus Died For You" and you need be baptized in water to be saved. The True Church was never Lost but God did Reform it with the Protestant Reformation which brought the Church back to The Scripture and God's Sovereignty and His Freedom to Save Whomever he will save.

[@kvzacomics]

There are some amillennialist churches of Christ.

[@N81999]

And they are by far the least cultic of all the restorationist movement (many are actually brothers)

[@Jon-fh6nf]

While the Church of Christ holds a strange belief on music, it is by no means a cult like Mormonism.

[@douglasmcnay644]

The Church of Christ believes that one must be literally water baptized to be saved, which is directly refuted by the account of the thief on the cross. They are also Pelagian, which has been declared a heresy by Protestants, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodoxy alike.

[@patrickc3419]

@@douglasmcnay644 They are also strongly anti-Calvinism.

[@Jon-fh6nf]

@@douglasmcnay644 being called a heretic by the Catholic Church does not make one a heretic. Also I grew up going to that church. Never was I taught that the fall did not taint human nature. We do need to be saved. Out of curiosity if we are to obey God’s command and Jesus said to go in the world baptizing the nations (water baptism) do you believe we don’t need to be water baptized? I do disagree that it’s what saves you but the early Christian’s made it clear it is the first commandment when giving your life to Christ to obey. Why wouldn’t someone get baptized that has the ability to?

[@tylerailshie]

Argued like atheists for an hour hoping that if they slam you with the word "cult" hard enough it would eventually convince you that they are actually right after all. Even if this video does convince people away from their church, a good enough case for your own wasn't put forward here. That would be the problem with the atheistic arguments made in this hour. Their points more completely lead someone toward an absence of any faith.

[@jacobmayberry1126]

These gentlemen are incorrect. Joseph Smith did not give a false prophecy on the second coming. I'd recommend reading "Joseph Smith and the Milenarian Timetable" by Historian Richard Lloyd Anderson.

[@Rjrupert555]

@@jacobmayberry1126 I agree that he did not give one false prophecy about the second coming. He gave multiple false prophecies about it.

[@jacobmayberry1126]

@@Rjrupert555 Maybe try reading the article I cited before replying. Then get back to me.

[@Rjrupert555]

@@jacobmayberry1126 Well that is definitely interesting. Maybe you are on to something. I will have to study it further but so far it is very logical.