Leaving Mormonism to Join Teal Swan’s Cult - Jared Dobson Pt. 2 - Mormon Stories

[@spiderqueen601]

Keep in mind that most people who go to people like Teal have already been to therapists with PhDs and accreditations etc etc. The failures of the mental health industry create a gap filled by people like Teal.

[@mormonstories]

Sad but true.

[@noornazneen5211]

Hopefully the gradual acceptance of psychedelics for therapeutic treatments by the mental health industry will fill the gap.

[@natashasays]

Agreed. I've seen licensed mental health professionals whose ethical infringements would make teal swan blush. I don't personally think shes hurting anyone more than some of these people, but she still may approximate a cult leader.

[@AlexM-gv4pf]

Yes, but just because like people like Teal exploit others doesn't mean that only PhD psychologists can help and all alternative healing modalities are "BS"

[@bonnielucas1941]

@@AlexM-gv4pf Absolutely, there are plenty of predatory Doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists & others. And Reiki is real, crystals hold frequency, and shamans can heal you. It's not highly accepted. In the future, the medical profession will drastically change. Peace! 🕊️

[@melodymadison-np9yv]

At this point having searched endlessly, with no rabbit hole ignored, I have concluded, no teacher, master, guru, therapists, priest, elder, doctor, prophet, therapist, group, program, class has MY answers. That miraculous spark of life, that resides in every seed root and plant, also is the life spark in me. Call it what you will, its the source if all that is. living every moment knowing I haven't done anything wrong, I just want to be happy. Too late for my precious son who finally ended his extreme suffering by suicide December 20 (Solstice eve)2022. I miss him!

[@dijo9581]

So sorry for your loss🥀

[@Ellael98]

But there can be helpful advice too, be open to it :) doesn’t mean that you need a GURU or a therapist, but advice is found everywhere around you.

[@maygrantz4426]

Hi, I came acroos your comments and I'm sorry that your son who finally ended his extreme suffering by suicide December 20, 2022. As a mother this is alarming! Anyway, I want you to know that you are not alone..Anyway, this is an issue that most people don't want to talk about because there is a stigma around it specially for men and young men. Anyway, anyone who wants to commit suicide because someone felt of being misunderstood feeling out cast, hopelessness and whatever the reason ?Sometimes the medication it has a side effect.

[@melgonz.6962]

So Teal actually plagiarized an author named Michael Brown, and he never made retreats or classes out of his book/knowledge to make money like Teal did. He wanted people to not depend on others to give them the answers they have inside. He gives the tools to open yourself up to find the answers. Of course we all need help sometimes, but depending on one person to give those answers will never work. Emotional regulation can only be done by the person needing it.

[@tonganqueenb5517]

One thing this interview makes clear to me is almost everything Teal teaches is already known. Like most 'new age' movements it's a blend of ancient eastern religion & the occult. She is just another vessel for that information to be transmitted. Thank you Jared for sharing your story.

[@millanferende6723]

There is a saying that there is almost nothing new under the sun. You could say Facebook is nothing new, it is just a repackaged MySpace. Yet, you can clearly see that the difference is night and day... Also, it is not to be underestimated when there are people who do lots of research in an area / dedicate themselves to a certain topic... and bring in, condense, or "funnel through" information all over the world about said topic. It makes said topic easy to understand and graspable. There is nothing wrong with bringing the knowledge that way, and it does not make knowledge or new inventions less valuable, just because it carries or brings together aspects of existing ones. Just my 2 cents on the issue.

[@madelinesmith1363]

So glad I found this comment... I feel like everything she says is just kind of... common sense spiritual stuff? I don't get what's supposed to be so miraculous about it?

[@tianna1116]

I totally agree, she’s completely unoriginal and has a nasty attitude as well

[@_gremlinboy]

Yeah and when she goes into psychology she's also just lifting the basics from the best experts she can find, without any acknowledgement

[@74MD74]

This is common amongst these types of "gurus". Their followers find them saying it more believable and more palatable. 🙄 They don't seek out the original source or go to the communities or people these beliefs and practices come from. They are ok with someone repackaging the information and pretending no one has ever said these things. There are many layers to this and people need to examine why they are so willing to only accept this information from certain people who have no real connection to the source.

[@missylee3022]

Isn't it amazing how I've never been a mormon or had involvement with teal, but I relate to so much of his story. That's why this podcast is so important.

[@CoyTheobalt]

All religions have similar elements of toxicity.

[@CoyTheobalt]

This is honestly the worst interviewing skills I’ve ever seen

[@CoyTheobalt]

You are making him so anxious and uncomfortable. How can you not see that.

[@jayamariel]

What a complete sweetheart of a person. A totally vulnerable soul. My heart breaks for him and the abuse that he endured. I hope he has found nothing but love and safety and fulfillment at this point in his life, as he truly deserves it.

[@lollymac2259]

I thought the very same thing. A gentle soul. He reminds me of my adult son who has ADD and dyslexia. A lot of neuro-divergent people are very empathic and sensitive to all the pain in the world. I hope he finds deep, abiding joy.

[@peachesenregalia9154]

He's the kind of fragile person that Teal can take advantage of. Very sad. So glad he got away from her.

[@nightstarjournal5081]

@@lollymac2259your comment touched my heart. This is me to a tee. 🙏🏻

[@ijustchangedmyname7794]

Reiki doesn’t requiring ANY clothes off. She was being predatory in the sense that there was a uneven power dynamic and she knew he was in an incredible vulnerable sake. It’s beyond gross and unethical (if she was a an actual certified medical profession). Either way, when someone comes to you for guidance and they are barely hanging on mentally and you begin to groom him is foul.

[@No-nl8jn]

TRUE.

[@Brancaalice]

It is not necessary , she was not doing heiki, she was doing healing in massage in solar plexus, she didnt give him hand job. People is so judgemental, she just are doing her healing.

[@bodichair]

Its not necessary to get attached to Ms. Swans Bullshitery . TS is doing the same old bullshit as many many others before her. She has retained from information from a plethora self-help, spiritual and new age thought and regurgitated into something she can manipulate those poor souls who are suffering. Unpacking : Using the language and metaphors, Then disassembles it's original intent and reassembles it and sells it back to the venerable suffering folks People who are looking for answers to life's dissidence. If you have never heard the language she uses you're likely to buy into it. Any teacher, life coach, therapist ie.keeps on hand business cards and phone numbers for those who are truly suicidal and a danger to themselves or others. Beware of a snake oil sales person!

[@melgonz.6962]

​@Brancaalice lmao oh please. Did you even listen to this video? He literally admits that Teal said she was hitting on him sexully. Youre the type of person who falls for a cult.

[@AyanamarieC]

Hippie stuff…. These are all ancient modalities to assist in shifting your perspective through the senses. Using your breath through breathing techniques to calm your nervous system and help focus your mind. It’s not all hippie stuff. It’s been perverted by the “new age” spiritual junkies. But these are tried and true therapies that can genuinely help to heal and strengthen your mind. It’s just that so many people think it’s going to solve their problems to the point where it’s just become a form of escapism.

[@SamStone1964]

Spot on. Breath work, meditation and appreciation are three simple tools with profound results.

[@ellielynn8219]

Well said.

[@alexmousley7213]

True- there are some meditative practices from Buddhism etc that are being researched scientifically and show genuine benefits for the mind (though meditation is not necessarily safe for people with psychosis). A lot of alternative "medicine" is placebo- but, as plenty of tests have shown the placebo effect can be quite powerful in some people- though not a sustitute in cases of life threatening illness.

[@SusanMowers]

Ah, never trust anyone who says they have all the answers

[@CMR308]

Completely agree. That's why I stopped trusting the goverment since March 2020.

[@danni9133]

I don't ever recall her ever stating she has all the answers in any of her videos.

[@janp263]

Your honesty is refreshing and appreciated. Discussing very personal and emotional subjects requires great courage. Thank you Jared.

[@jaredmdobson]

Jan Parkes Thank You Jan, it was great relief for me to share with me what I learned in life and wish you happiness and joy every day of your life. 🥰

[@amygreen758]

Agreed. He had an opportunity to get out of this-- and he took it. Realizing we're knee-deep and totally hoodwinked in a cult situation, is beyond humbling. I'm so relieved he got out.

[@martinyauseda8063]

Never ever does someone need to remove any clothing to administer Reiki.

[@JessicaOrban3606]

Exactly

[@JasonJohnSwartz]

Every human through Christ Jesus has the potential to recieve the Holy Spirit and become a temple of the living God. The chakras are real but those are portals for the Holy Spirit to balance not you nor another sinner. You force the gears and they will break. If your opening yourself up and don't accept the true God in repentance and submission another entity can enter. Fallen angels spoken to in Genesis and the book of Enoch speak of this fallen ones who love to play god. These fallen watchers from genesis can appear as angel of light and they have wisdom but what is wisdom without God? Its wisdom that buff up instead of humility. We are a vessel and Jesus is the light of the world. Without Christ in you the hope and the glory then you are darkness and walk in darkness. Everyone is a sinner. Every last Christian is not better than anyone else. We all far short of the Glory of God. No not one of us me included are righteous in our own right. When I speak of darkness its spiritual blindness that leaves us open to deception. Repent and accept Christ as your Savior cause nobody get to the father but through him. Sounds arrogant? Yup it truly does. I thought so for most of my life. Those stupid, brainwashed Christian's. Then it happened. The truth set me free. The khundalini is the false holy spirit. Does it manifest powers and abilities? Certainly it can. However the half truths sprinkled with lies will lead you down a road that is dangerous. Rejected Christ for almost 40 years and spent my time trying every path under the sun. Krishna Murti, Yogananda, Eckhart Tolle, Kabbalah and everything and anything but Christ. Don't waste your time with this new age. If a demonic fantasy

[@stacey_1111rh]

Thank you

[@steviesvideos319]

@@JasonJohnSwartz agreed, I spent almost two decades deeply embedded within new age and opened myself up to all manner of entities,...I never felt safe, comforted, guided and most importantly protected...untill I prayed for weeks to Jesus asking for repentance of my sins, and for him to be my personal lord and savior and to be filled with holy spirit.. Now I have a stolidity , love and strength I never had before.

[@analouesteves]

Never ever someone need to administer reiki period

[@millanferende6723]

17:44 - Any real guru or real leader will want you to come into your own empowerment. Not to hang on for them for dear life, for the rest of your life. This planet will only be saved by each person doing a right thing, and helping bring other people into a position to do the right thing. "A great teacher, will create more teachers, not just students." "A great leader is not the one who creates most followers, but who creates most leaders."

[@TanT-uk]

This is very true as a qualified therapist and life coach it’s my role to help facilitate my clients growth and change. I am very gentle with my clients and never push if there is resistance because eventually when they’re ready they will open up. Re traumatisation is sadly very common with people in this life of work.

[@danielbarrera8391]

I mean I don't completely agree with everything she says but... I have learned a lot from her, both good and bad. Although admittedly the more I hear about her own demons the more I feel disillusioned but ... Still, she does have solid advice and some of her opinions have value for some of us who are running from ourselves or seem lost. She can't be completely blamed as it was said since really it's a kind of failing on society on the whole. Not to say that some of us don't need personal accountability either though.

[@alexmousley7213]

Yes- the locus of control should always be you and not a therapist/guru/leader etc- it's part of ethical therapy.

[@allisgrace1313]

I was deep into all this and more for about a decade. I've been out a bit over a decade now and listening to him describe these practices and practitioners, I can barely believe this was who I was...good reminder for me, thank you. Your a brave man.

[@allisgrace1313]

@ten Catholic

[@JamieHartMusic]

whats unfortunate is their dismissal of "new age woowoo" like chakras and energy which are in fact ancient eastern mysticism and the foundations of yoga and some traditional chinese medicine. So it just devalues the content a bit when one makes fun of traditional spiritual beliefs that don't harm you in any way.

[@littleveganteawitch7427]

I agree, this is what frustrated me about this.

[@bellah33]

Yeah, the interviewer sounds like empirical science is the only guide to the existence, just sad.

[@JoyfulinHope]

The Devil is pretty ancient, sister

[@hayleyholland529]

Yup. Worst description of reiki I've ever heard 🤦‍♀️

[@annaandre9131]

Healthy eating and meditation are great and all, treating a suicidal person with vibrations and a cancer patient with berries is criminal. Nuances darling.

[@helenelarsen25]

I think Jared seems to be much wiser than all those people he listened to. Very powerful testemony, really brave, thank you for sharing, Jared. The Lori and Chad story got me here, Im happy I found this channel, very good interwieving, thanks for the teaching. Greetings from Denmark.

[@shannamaria395]

I just need to share this. There is energy behind TRAUMA, grief, loss for example. Everything is energy. What energy healers do is work with your energetic body to work through these things and yes it does work and why I myself became an energy healer. This is something that the professionals still aren't fully grasping or understanding about healing trauma, 'the energy behind healing trauma.' Traditional ways of healing is a good place to start, but there comes a time where you come to a wall and your soul seeks for more. And from experience, and why a lot of us seek alternatives healing paths. There is still something missing from traditional routes to healing, and why people like Teal Swan thrive in this industry for example. People still aren't getting what we need and people like Teal see that. I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse myself and why I am sharing. The truth is therapy is a good place to start but we need more. And not to feel like there is something wrong with you or treated as there is. I like that the holistic healing practices and world is getting more recognition and people do see results, including myself and that to me is a beautiful thing. But then you get the opportunist and people who miss use their power to manipulate and abuse people to me angers me as I don't like to see anyone taken advantage of or miss treated! That is NOT OK! To miss use power turns me off. I don't respect that. Going back to the professionals, with majority of this field you come in with a skeptical mind frame, and already implanted within your mindset going in that this stuff is "whoo whoo" or solely harmful is not the truth and is a big misconception. It's the people who miss use and have intention of ill intent make this industry look bad and that frustrates me. This kind of power can go to peoples heads and clearly Teal is a good example of this as are others. Again, I see both sides and understand both, or at least try too. Like any industry there is good and there is other. 🤦‍♀️ Makes it difficult for these things to be taken seriously when a bad light is casted by these dark shadows. I know it sounds bizarre, but it's something I highly recommend learning & educating yourself more on these "super powers," reiki, chakras and how chakras do play a role in our everyday lives. With an open mind and open heart I invite you to learn, instead of being critical. Slowly catching up but the resistance to the "whoo whoo" is really frustrating as, energy healing is an asset to your traditional ways of healing. It's an aid in healing and it works! But experiencing someone like Teal before I do see how someone like her can be dangerous, but not everyone is out to scam you, manipulate you. Buyer beware there modern cults are real and these modern cults are in religion as well. Get what you can from the good parts but remember you are the guru yourself, stop giving these spiritual leaders so much power and God like status. That part I don't understand how people can fall into giving up their lives for these spiritual gurus. They aren't God, they are only humans and do make mistakes and aren't perfect by any means. Not making excuses just stating a fact. We all are just trying to make it out alive, find things that bring you more joy in your life and don't you forget that you are loved and are love. Become your own hero, your own guru. Much love ❤️

[@OzmaOfOzz]

❤️❤️🤗

[@carlapilbro1344]

👌💜

[@dr.christinaND]

Excellent comment. I agree. I work with energy medicine too as an ND. I use modalities like PEMF and others, along with energy release methods. I’m just a guide and each person has their own experience on their journey. No one has any special powers, but having an understanding of the body’s makeup and we are electromagnetic beings is why energy medicine works when done with proper intentions married with science and human design.

[@teganflyman5352]

🙄

[@chloebell2209]

Please cite your research. You may be 'frustrated' that people use critical thinking but no one can dictate how other people think, cult leaders feel entitled to, but they're delusional. Critical thinking is not 'slow to catch up'.

[@mdy888]

you didn't make the world worse you made me better by being an honest good intentioned guy with experience enough to help spread the truth, that is courageous and admirable, God Bless You Jared!

[@MichaelSmith-eu1hc]

It takes real courage to be so open and honest as you have. Thankyou for sharing your experience 👍

[@marinatonkonogy5968]

Inconsistencies in someone's story of abuse isn't necessarily an indication that they are lying and that the abuse didn't happen. I am a therapist and if you ask any therapist who has every worked with sexual trauma (or other kinds of trauma for that matter) they'd tell you , traumatic events lead to fragmentation of memories. This is the mind's defense against the emotional pain that gets unbearable when the person recalls the events. When the memory gets fragmented, the person remembers the event in separate pieces, which creates gaps in the story, which the victim fills up with things that come to their mind which may not be true but the victim believes that they are. As a result, the story becomes incoherent and difficult to believe and people who listen to it get the impression that the person is lying. This is a real mental process that victims of sexual abuse experience, It has been scientifically proven and so mental health professionals often testify in court as expert witnesses when victims' credibility is in question. So, the fact that Teal's story is difficult to believe, in and of itself, is not the evidence that she has not been abused. That's not to say that everything in her story is true or that she didn't intentionally lie about anything. It's just to say that the mental processes of sexual abuse victims are different from those who have not been sexually abused. I am not going to give my opinion on whether she was abused or not, even though I do have an opinion about it. All I can say is that people who have never been traumatized in their lives will never become cult leaders.

[@jaredmdobson]

I appreciate your feedback, I did not know that about abuse victims. I definitely saw her lie and make up things on the spot and attack anyone who questioned her lies. So i just figured that when it came to having been tortured for years through the night without her parents noticing and that she had "suffered more than holocaust victims". That she was just lying about her abuse, I have no idea what is real with her but I wish her and you the best.

[@LL-xl7hq]

Thank you

[@LL-xl7hq]

Everything she said here is the truth regarding trauma. People do learn to cope is different ways with abuse and just because it sounds hard to believe doesn’t mean it’s not true. And just because her suffering was extreme possibly doesn’t mean she is exaggerating. Memories do get repressed or fragmented and distorted as the brains way to cope with how horrible and inconceivable the traumas are.

[@scivi7060]

This is so wrong on so many levels... Wow

[@ms.empower7946]

Parents getting divorced is traumatizing. Being picked on is traumatizing. Car accidents and illness is traumatizing. The death of a love one or a pet is traumatizing. Everybody processes trauma differently. Some people are resilient. Some become pathological liars. Histrionic personality disorder. Factitious disorder.

[@MicheleLantieri]

I really appreciate Jared's point - an individual with an intense need to fix "the world" or heal all suffering is related more to that person's hidden desire to make their own life better and happier. I can certainly relate.

[@siren3197]

I have always thought the LDS church was cultish. Separately, I think it's wrong to connect Teal Swan with other metaphysical modalities in general, as if all practioners were cultish.

[@MrMikkyn]

I thought you wrote LSD Church

[@gaylechristensen6285]

@@MrMikkyn Now THAT would be a church to behold. 😄

[@kathyhackney7950]

​@@MrMikkynSame 😂 I had to re-read

[@keitoth9697]

I just wanna take a moment to say this interviewer is excellent. I’ve never listen to this man interview anyone before but I love how he keeps the person from just rambling and giving random anecdotes. This interviewer keeps trying to lead an organize the information so we can follow. Well done.

[@hildyboo]

so brave to tell your story! Cult survivors often end up in a second cult before they recover.

[@janetpattison8474]

As I wrote above, there are thousands of people who are into the “new age movement”, and that DOES NOT make it a cult. Maybe it was cult-like in his brain because that’s what he made it. There’s the law of balance. Have common sense. Think for yourself. Don’t blame others for your mental issues and get help. I’ve listened to Teal and although she has a following, so what ? & BIG DEAL! Thousands of others also have followings, which does not make their beliefs a cult. THEY are into all the NEW AGE stuff and are not telling people what to do, or how to live.

[@juliasharon5337]

its hard for me to imagine people can fall for her but i see they are people with backgrounds of abuse. i am glad he is out.

[@tianna1116]

I feel the same way! She’s so obviously fake (and cringey) to me but I think another place and time and I MAY have fallen for something like this

[@BastianBooks]

Thank you for posting this interview, it's important to be aware of the real face behind powerful figures and charismatic leaders.

[@tianna1116]

I don’t see her as powerful or charismatic but I guess some people are falling for it. I’m super sad for her victims but I strongly dislike her

[@calebwoolston4249]

47:02 "don't feel held hostage to whatever anyone else says" That is 🔥🔥🔥

[@colejohnson1960]

Jared, Thank you for your testimonial. You be sure and give yourself credit. You are a good story teller and a great guy. I wish you much success in all your endeavors.

[@gracie1312]

I wouldn't say he is a great storyteller. He jumped around a lot, didn't pick up on prompts to go into detail, didn't use a lot of descriptions. I'd say he is still extremely emotional when talking about his experiences, perhaps one day he will be able to speak more directly. No shame to him, it is so difficult and brave to speak out.

[@AthyDuGard]

​@@gracie1312 I agree. It seems he is still too raw emotionally to be able to articulate his experiences with fluidity. It didn't help that Dr John kept interrupting to ask what certain practices were or to investigate aspects of Teal or her past. I usually enjoy these podcasts but I'm finding this long-winded one a struggle to get through.

[@Krtwells]

I have cpstd from growing up adopted in a Mormon household and attending Mormon church...It has taken me decades to overcome the damage. Hearing some of these "Mormon stories" can at times bring me right back to those feelings of shame and unworthiness and feeling like I was abnormal.I was actually as your guest states, a very normal human living in very abnormal situations. I have to listen to these stories in small quantities so I don't stay bogged down in those emotions. Thanks for what you do here.

[@marenernst1841]

Teal sounds like a lot of work to be around. Exhausting.

[@valeriesonalas7164]

So is this guy who keeps crying about being a victim! He's the one who chose her and admitted to emotionally abuse her and there's no p0lice report against him so he must've done worse to people

[@pod8234]

@@valeriesonalas7164I think this guy comes off as extremely needy. There are no short cuts to doing the hard work of growing up.

[@MAzurburg]

Yoga has been around for 5000 years. Chakra's are their thing. I think it's a bit disrespectful to call it superstition. It's the new age movement that appropriated this.

[@mormonstories]

Fair. But when people claim to be able to read someone’s chakra energy…I think that’s untrue and potentially dangerous.

[@spiral_heart8239]

The way new age stuff is talked about in this interview is a lot more literal and shallow than many people take it that I know of. It's know of hard to fully explain how I understand a lot of this stuff myself, but it's kind of a mix of the physical experience of the body and a form of communication with the unconscious mind. To me when you work with a chakra you are working both with a place in the body where certain emotions tend to be experienced, and by doing that you are also communicating with the emotional part of the brain. My experience is that if you do these practices a lot they will effect your consciousness . It's sort of like giving your mind a way to experience the emotions externally, but the external place makes space because it is actually a physiological reality that correlates with those feelings. It's kind of similar to how emotionally mirroring works in psychology, but you learn to use your own body as the mirror. To me doing chakra work is a strong way to support therapeutic work, but I don't see it as a substitute for it.

[@trustyourpulse]

@@spiral_heart8239 very well explained! 💖

[@Brancaalice]

This guy said have PHd and have no clue about of other system, that is old than psychology. He has not issue to judge Teal. He thing is own the true.

[@Futt.Buckerson]

All religion and spirituality essentially boil down to superstition.

[@megatronixAZ]

Dismissing other culture's practices because Teal has inaccurately (and dangerously) appropriated them is not the way. She's appropriated Eastern modalities like a grifter. TEAL is the one you're examining, but you end up laughing at Pranayama breathing, which is a facet of Kundalini yoga (from India), reiki (from Japan) and chakras (from India). Rather than dismissing the sacred, remember the focus is an appropriating grifter. It's not the practice, but the practitioner.

[@Qetesh777]

I agree there is value in everything even if that value is seeing why it’s wrong. All of these practices may work for some and be wrong for others. Doesn’t change the value of all of us and the unity at our core.

[@kateh1743]

Exactly. So glad someone said this!

[@a.e.rromero5403]

The New Age is full of white pple appropriating other cultures and practices.

[@alessandrarotunno8182]

Also remember that just because something is part of another religion , it doesn't mean it's not bullshit.

[@magicalzhee]

So glad to see someone say this - the appropriation is the issue, not the practices themselves. Anything that is done with an intention of manipulation as a form of power control (ego/fear) is unhealthy.

[@catherinepoole9485]

This is frustrating to watch🙄 the guy doing the podcast keeps interrupting and the guy telling the story has such a hard time articulating himself.🤬🤬🤬

[@natashasays]

Agree

[@arodordie]

I see what you mean but it’s not that bad imo! Dude definitely could’ve used an outline or something tho

[@ClaraBell3452]

I feel like the interviewer did his best to kind of keep up with the guys chaotic energy and keep the podcast on the rails

[@margodrake3825]

Yeah I'm already aware about "satanic abuse outbreaks" in the past I don't really need to hear a book promotion either. I didn't have a hard time listening to the guy telling the story though, maybe ask him a bit more questions though as that seems to help.

[@ariellathebohemian6381]

Omg yes!!! It’s super irritating how he constantly interrupts!

[@kimberleysmith4379]

I'm so glad people are coming forward with the truth and a huge thank u for exposing this truth... the world needs to know this

[@martinyauseda8063]

Jareds' idea or Teal, of Reiki is completely false. She hijacked a physical therapy that is hundreds of years old in Japan. Reiki has nothing to do with what Jared has been told.

[@jaredmdobson]

I'm not sure what she said she practiced, i was probably wrong to use the Reiki word to describe her energy healing. i think other people did it to me in the past and they did not touch me if i recall right. :)

[@sookie.smooth]

Those here who want to learn more would appreciate links to information you think are reputable. I don’t know enough to sift through all the various perspectives. My usual go-to is Wikipedia.

[@camilamercado4565]

Thank you for your testimony Jared! Your healing help us all to heal!

[@tiesta1133]

Thank you for coming forward Jared .. it takes courage.

[@RoseKulyk]

We must be careful...what we judge we become...or end up attracting people..who may see the same things in our own work...we eventually must...just allow each of us to make our own unique contribution to the world 🌎

[@teganflyman5352]

You sound like Teal 🙄

[@avamay516]

interviewer keeps interrupting and derailing the speaker. he’d be on a roll and get asked a question that’s irrelevant. please let them talk!

[@burningstrawman2589]

Lol. He was obviously assisting because dude can't stay focused or explain anything...probably due to anxiety. John is a pro at this.

[@pattyjohnston6131]

Same

[@johnmichaelson9173]

"Her paintings can heal you if you look at them" 😂Only after you've bought some. The old adage about there's one born every minute springs to mind.

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

They’re free to download on her site. My god to what lengths people go to so as to shame someone and belittle them without knowing literally anything about them. What an embarrassing and what a sad state of things.

[@evesperspective7662]

I am reminded of The Pilgrim's Progress we read in the evangelical church I attended. It is a wonderful example of how we get off the path to experience what we are meant to experience to grow us and teach us on our path to the Celestial City. LOL I also have subscribed to Teal and there were some things I saw clearer because of her sharing and I moved on like Jared. We keep searching to find answers outside of us until we realize it is all within us. We just have to ask and we receive what is perfect for each of us. When my grown children ask me for answers I tell them they know. Seek within. Fearless journey all.

[@teresataylor2916]

Eve, thankyou for this. ❣

[@evesperspective7662]

@@teresataylor2916 We are love. Welcome

[@lisak5804]

Jared has such a great smile 😁 he needs to shine it everywhere

[@yve2626]

To me the things Teal teaches arent bullshit. She is super intelligent and I love the way she summarizes psychological truths and techniques in a very applicable, structured and condensed way. I find it super efficient and time saving in a way, it prevents me from having to figure things out on my own or read a ton of books. I agress with a lot of the things she says that are not "mainstream" thinking, fir example that narcissism is a style of dysfunctional relating within relationships vs a personality disorder. The way she describes things is very logical to me. The stuff about aliens I just ignore, but I havent really heard her talk about that ever anyway in the newer things I have watched. She might have character flaws and she might be unconventional but at the end of the day I agree with what she says. To me it brings a lot of clarity. I dont think selling her frequency paintings etc is fakery. I mean after all people believe in it and want to donate and support, so its still everyone elses choice isnt it? Raising frquency and energy is very possible in my opinion, its the same thing people like Tony Robbins, coaches etc do. Get you in a positive mindset essentially. At least thats how I see it.

[@chloebell2209]

please figure out things on your own, please trust yourself - Teal doesn't live with the consequences

[@lrzbhnsn]

Lol so basically you wanna heal but you're too lazy to actually research something or read a book on your own. Instead you do absolutely nothing but listening to Teal Swan, good for you

[@matrixfree3480]

Hi Teal

[@emmaphilo4049]

Poor Jared, he is been through a lot. Hope he is fine

[@Nicole-zr1me]

I appreciate the guests vulnerability here. It’s important to have people speak out on all kinds of cults today. This helped keep me in check with the new age stuff so I appreciate it 🩷

[@lisabuckner243]

What pisses me off is that MOST of what’s called “new age” is thousands of yrs old! It also makes true healers not believed.

[@samhayden7109]

I want to hear this guy’s story but the interviewer keeps interrupting. It’s frustrates to listen to. He’s asking good questions but not giving time for the answer. Hopefully, this is constructive if you read it.

[@Verita022]

the interviewer continues to guide the responses he wants to generate

[@tianna1116]

I love this guy. He seems like a great dude. Glad he got away from her and her creepy cult

[@bettypsycapprentice6544]

Being a better person requires oneself to have the motivation to do what's right in the world. Balance and living a holistic life is definitely a part of that but relying on others is not healthy behavior. In order to feel whole as a person we need to learn to take accountability for actions and be strong on our own. Perhaps what he was looking for was self-esteem by trying all these practices. That is something you can't get from others and you have to find on your own.

[@chloebell2209]

You don't 'have to' do anything a stranger on the internet tells you ! this comment section is full of the biggest load of speculative nonsense I have seen in years and I was in a cult 😅

[@bettypsycapprentice6544]

@@chloebell2209 sorry to hear that but glad you are here with us now. You must have an amazing story of strength 💪

[@ruthsikorski5495]

Jarod thank you for this. A very clear grasp of the thing. You are free but still recognize that people want to belong and be a part of a group of anything. If you want to be in the euphoric group go ahead and enjoy it, but don't get yourself held hostage there.

[@andijoann872]

I hope Jared is fine. He is so brave for telling his story. I'm getting sucked into New Age like I was with Apologetic Christianity. But both are similar because one has to be pure. One as in no sex and be pure like Jesus, the other is based on raising your vibration by eating vegan no processed foods. I have been stressing about this New World stuff New Age gurus are preaching about. It's stressing me out. I'm trying to get rid of my karmic debts so I don't have to reincarnate because life on this planet is hard sometimes and I don't want to come back having to repeat the same process. Now i are suffering from new age trauma syndrome. I went from one trauma to another. This pandemic opened too many doors and I want life to be like it was before the pandemic or as some gurus call it, plandemic. 😣

[@tianna1116]

If you can, please seek therapy from a licensed professional. I think it would be way more beneficial

[@SamStone1964]

Try meditating for around 15 minutes every morning. And when you feel out of alignment find something no matter how miniscule to appreciate and feel satisfied with in the here and now moment.

[@annebalderston2520]

Follow Jesus. Surrender your life to him. He is the only truly safe person who will never leave you nor forsake you. He knows you and he loves you no matter what.

[@jetset808]

Teal is a Narc.. you can tell because every once in awhile her ego breaks character and she has that smirk of self gratification at what she just said.. it was because of her that I figured out love but she is wrong. She says Love is when you care about something so much that you take it as part of you identity.. but identity is Ego real love is when you thin the ego between you and something and let the love of God flow through you..

[@justinedse8435]

Love has absolutely nothing to do with God. Love means loving another person unconditionally no matter what, being there, and supporting them.

[@spiderqueen601]

"Unclog your charkas" LOL. Most people doing reiki aren't trying to make you enlightened, but reduce your chronic pain that doctors can't figure out. It's better as complemenatry therapy, not psychotherapy. It does physiologically alter a person in ways beneficial to healing.

[@tianna1116]

*Citation needed*

[@lynnj9721]

He is the most relatable guest.

[@RoxBDointheMost]

I so want to hear what homeboy has to say but this interviewer keeps INTERRUPTING!

[@hopestark9943]

Don't worry... You don't come across anything like Teals organization. You aren't trying to fool anyone, you're trying to inform people.

[@elizaestabrook3656]

So to be clear it had nothing to do with spiritual practices, not "new age" and everything to do with the toxic religious cult he was raised in, right?

[@Iris_Transforms_Healing]

The truth is, if you’ve experienced trauma, that experience causes pain. If you don’t heal that pain, bad things WILL happen. For example, if you’ve been abandoned as a child, that is trauma, it shows up in many ways in an adults life, i.e., drug use, violence, self harm, and the list goes on. If you don’t learn how to heal that pain, those manifestations I just mentioned can destroy your life. The problem with Teal, and others like her who have created a movement out of their own pain, is that they haven’t healed their own pain. Their pain shows up as cult leadership and all that comes with that.

[@healingrays3762]

Or she is still under the mind control of the same people who traumatized her, so now they are programming her followers by using her.

[@kathyhackney7950]

​@@healingrays3762is there any evidence to suggest this? Genuinely curious

[@TheSoulWhisperer]

This was super painful to watch. There's so much to be healed, and such a lack of knowledge. And yet that knowing induces a gross disempowerment among true healers. It's like a sick ouroborus loop. And that defines the real energy of what's going on with her, beyond the facade. I sure do hope Jared truly finds healing and rest for his soul. 🙏🏾

[@raigenhuss7030]

I usually love your interview style, but this one seemed a little aggressive. I think he needed more time to gather his thoughts. Too many interruptions

[@gillianbennett4518]

Everything is energy. Everything is energy. Reiki (a gentle respectful form of fully clothed therapy) is a wonderful practice. Crystals offer energies of different frequencies. Chakras and energy healing has been around for thousands of years as part of the beautiful Ayurvedic medical theories that are still used today. It's a shame the interviewer is so dismissive of these ancient practices. A very unsettling upsetting interview all around.

[@karinbester]

Healing is all in the mind, positive thoughts. Reprogramming yourself to heal. God is the only altemate healer.

[@lumpyspacecadet]

Teal had a nice little reverse-harem going on there, didn't she?

[@davic72083]

Which is odd cuz she is looking rather manly in a lot of shots...

[@danielkelley7548]

Andrew Tate has joined the chat

[@LianaBuzea]

Therapy on a highly unstable person (in this case suicidal) is not done in one's personal bedroom. It makes it unethical, and risky from an energetic perspective. The therapist exposes the area of thier highest energetic vulnerability (place of sleep) to low and heavy energies. All therapists know to keep their personal space as clean as possible. In earthly terms, the equivalent of this would be a surgeon operating patients in their personal bed. On how many levels would that be not recommended? The same is valid here. "As in energy, so in the palpable and concrete."

[@donschlegel1972]

Very good very well said this I believe is true but all people have a good in them and are capable of making a good difference in life and all people have bad in them and can do terrible bad things we know that I know that but I thank you very much for all the insight. I relate and understand all of the service very much so I’m so glad I’ve come through so much 38 years clean and sober and I never drank much in my life but I never drank again after I hit 25 years old now I’m 63. Grateful to be alive grateful for you guys. Appreciate y’all.

[@JuBeeJuBeeJu]

6:29 For the record, Reiki is much like praying over someone. A true Reiki practitioner is trained and certified by a trained, certified Reiki master. Yes, there is a certain formality and method to it, but it isn't like telling someone you're sprinkling them with faerie dust. The person doesn't have to lie down or even be touched, and an appropriately trained, ethical practitioner doesn't even do it unless asked or given permission. The practice has been hijacked by people who love to feel magical and special, and now we can't even trust all Reiki "certifications." Personally, if it hasn't come directly down the Usui line, I diregard it as false teaching.

[@Hippydippyclothing]

Chakras are energy centers. They correspond to your endocrine system.

[@Victoria-zt7zy]

So she is so enlightened that you had to keep her from cutting herself?

[@Msenlightened1]

Really? You haven’t heard some of the thousands and thousands of people that have died and experienced the non physical aspect of ourselves while clinically dead and come back to tell what they experienced? Reincarnation is very real just look at all the 3-8yr olds talking in great detail of their past life. This is all very real people.

[@janep.2478]

Teal Swan sounds like Scientology gone berserk.

[@MrMikkyn]

Scientology is worse

[@Vinchinz]

I fell too deep, it hurts brother 💔

[@MonicaODuarte]

I wish you wouldn't interrupt so much and let the guy speak. I can tell the guy is getting annoyed because you keep speaking over him.

[@ermannos]

@49:31 thanks for adding that John. We don't want to create a phobia that everyone out there is out to get you and deceive you. If we use the same critical thinking we used to leave the Church for future speakers/gurus etc we can safely discern who is in it to sincerely help and who is in it just for the money and manipulation

[@undynetheundying5405]

Poor guy probably had ulcers or acid reflux from all that stress, trying to heal it with reiki, smh I like massages, reiki, asmr, beautiful shiny looking stones and oils with nice smells, but none of those can heal a physical problem in your body. Those are just alternatives, they make you feel nice and refreshed, maybe relaxed, but that's all. I really don't think it's healthy for people to expect to be healed with any of those things. If you have psychological issues, if you're anxious, depressed, suicidal, get therapy. Find a therapist that understands you. If you don't have the means to do that, read and educate yourself about depression from reliable sources, if you can't do that either, talk to someone that you can trust. A friend, your grandma, your younger sibling, whatever. Someone who loves you can help you much more than a cult leader.

[@jewlz1960]

The only thing her paintings heal is her bank account.

[@elizaestabrook3656]

I really think teal has a lot of narcissistic personality traits, very sad.

[@namastachi9030]

People do not need people - you need healing so you can be alone and not need people. You were programmed to feel like you need people and that is why cult and religions start. Find enlightenment and you will not ‘need’ anyone but you will ‘enjoy’ them. Jesus it ain’t that hard!!

[@jojom6657]

Poor guy he's so lost with or without ever joining Teal. How can anyone follow a human? Bridle minds!

[@natalieb5681]

This is the worst interview style i’ve EVER heard. For god’s sake stop interrupting the guest every 10 seconds and just let him tell his story! He doesn’t need you to guide and interrupt him. It’s painful to listen to you interrupting him!

[@coldwhitespring5004]

A lot of podcast hosts should learn good interview technique, true.

[@scottbrandon6244]

So he went from one high demand religion to another.

[@christycipriano261]

I just watched "The Twin Flame Universe" documentaries and there's actually alot in common with that cult as well.

[@Anne_Onymous]

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that people actually believe the stuff Teal says. I feel like a 10 year old would be able to recognize she's full of shit. Her followers not only fall for all her tales, but many of them end up "recovering" their own false memories (basically giving them something to be traumatized over and have to heal from). It's all just so ridiculous watching from the outside. Scary so many subscribe. But I really appreciate his candor.

[@CentaurTesticles]

I can tell you I found her at 13-14 and IMMEDIATELY got a bad vibe from her, even if I couldn’t explain why she seemed terrible

[@percubit10]

Leaving one cult for another. How does that help? We knew this as children, We all had a purpose.

[@lisamcdonald2877]

From what I know, chakras are part of Hindu spiritual traditions. It's a bit insensitive to call them "superstition". I don't believe in the whole "energy" POV, particularly crystal "therapy". They are pretty rocks. Period. Was this young man vegan when he was super skinny? I recommend "Vegan Deterioration" on You Tube.

[@dnfi5480]

Right, and demon possesion causing ilness is part of Christian tradition. That does not make it anything more than superstition. Oriental traditions are not automatically exempted from the critical thinking we exercise with Western ones.

[@louisem5091]

Oh my god I remember the shadow house livestreams! She used to talk about aliens and soul forks and stuff in those lives. I don't know if they still exist anywhere on the internet but they are so illuminating especially in regards to the dynamics. I def remember a few that were uncomfortable to watch because she'd just be bullying and berating (I think it was Carmen?) someone. On another note, I hope you're doing OK Jared and thanks for speaking about it all.

[@AlexM-gv4pf]

Love your stuff. It's obvious you are trying to help people and expose people like Teal. And I respect that. I also respect you exposing how you expose that they exploit vulnerable people. However I cannot agree with the bias that all these alternative modalities are all useless, bs, or the makings of new age cults. Or that certain things cannot and do not exist. The use of words "super powers" is also a misnomer. The idea that consciousness and perception expands is ancient, not new age and is found in many enlightenment traditions, from mid east, to east, and even western. Including early European enlightenment traditions that heavily influenced the push for science as we know it. You don't need to believe in any new age guru or join a cult to practice qi gong and experience energetic sensations in a years period of time. Also science doesn't completely negative all these concepts. We know humans emit bio photons since early 1990s. Aka, light. Aka, an aura. We know that cellular processes is highly electro magnetic, and are discovering the importance of electric fields in guiding all of life actually. The role of ions. And new and evolving fields of epigenetics and the signaling properties of cells. Even that living complex organisms like humans are liquid crystal organisms as per Mae Wan ho, which may go a long way to helping us understand why things like acu puncture. It's true that there are tons of con people out there. Teal may not be a complete con in everything she says, she may even have some gifts. And not everything she says is untrue. But it's clear she's chosen to lie, embellish, manipulate and use people for self gain and control over others.

[@bonnielucas1941]

Absolutely! ☀️

[@KC-xf9wc]

Its very clear to me that Jared had been incredibly traumatised and hadn't healed from it yet. He is searching to heal via all outlets he finds, he seeks and seeks. He looks like a very lost person who is looking for answers in others for everything.It seems he doesnt trust himself - probably due to his traumas...

[@jerilynholt1749]

Yes.

[@SamStone1964]

Yes like every other single human being on planet Earth.

[@leanneteichner6213]

Thanks Jared for sharing your experience and being so vulnerable. Not usually critical but found the presentation style of the interviewer really off-putting and ruined the story. He wasnt the best listener, fixated on certain points way more than necessary (I. E. masturabstion and sex), paraphrased information in a pretty simplistic and dogmatic way. I also found this style not to be helpful to a vulnerable interviewee? Didn't allow for insightful viewing. Very much leading questions, which makes the watcher question the integrity of the information being shared. A shame really because this is an important topic.

[@healingrays3762]

Absolutely agree! The interviewer is suspiciously misleading, and claims that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not happen! kzbin.info/www/bejne/poqTZYBvqbN4p5I

[@DolphinsPlayingInAquaMoonlight]

Well said. I agree.

[@sherrywebster1675]

In several states in Australia there is zero fast access to any mental health assistance unless you say you are suicidal. Then they put you in a hospital and drug you heavily . That's it . At least you have somewhere to sleep for a few days .

[@angelrocco2024]

I had sense in 2012 when i first seen teals videos my intuition said something is off about her and i basically moved on....but i can see why a person would go to her for healing and trauma....she knows what she is saying....she is intelligent as well....many narcissistic people come across as amazing nice people but under the layers....🙄 different story....

[@failure5012]

Regarding how you are different from a cult leader: you are also trained in transference; have had supervision during your training and early career and may still have supervision; you likely don't blame people in crisis for making your job harder; you don't abandon or shame your clients because they question you; and you have been trained in helping people in crisis and have resources when they need more support than you can give them. I have not worked with you but I assume this since you have actual legitimate clinical training and a PhD in Clinical and Counseling Psychology. Yes, there are bad therapists who do some of the above - having a Phd doesn't make you immune from being a bad practitioner but you seem to have a lot of insight and thoughtfulness around your work. Thank you for bringing grounded conscientious content to the internet/youtube.

[@katharinanikol4206]

Im not a follower of Teal or anyone, and I disagree with a lot she's spreading but, as nice as this man seems to be, I get unfortunately several lies, hatred to her maybe bc of rejection, and you also can look that up by his body language, it's very obvious bc his expressions etc; are quite intense anyways, and especially in those moments... But of course I only wish him healing, and just the very best!

[@omalila7399]

I found this interview very interesting. Jared seems like a real sweetheart. Thank you both for this conversation. However I had a hard time listening at times. Over the years, I've listened to countless accounts of SRA victims who tell stories of abuse in different countries and differents decades. Their stories add up. There's actually a lot of evidence it is a very real phanomenon, sadly. I don't know if Teal's story is true and if so to what extent but to say there's no such thing as SRA and that's why she must be lying... that's actually just biaised thinking if you ask me. Also, the asian teachings about the chakras, kundalini and energy healing are actually thousands of years old. There are of course some New Age Gurus who try to repackage them to gain money and power or manipulate people. But dismissing these ancient teachings as mere New Age nonsense seems quite disrespectful. These phenomena have never been taught as religious beliefs or superstitions. These are very real physical phenomena that can be experienced by anyone who wishes to do so. True spirituality will always encourage the individual to trust their own senses and common sense and follow their own inner guidance instead of blindly following any outer authority. It's mostly people who've previously been brainwashed by religious groups or who've experienced severe trauma that end up in abusive New Age cults. That has nothing to do with true spirituality. That's like calling potatos unhealthy because fries and chips are unhealthy. It's not the potato's fault, It's the way it's processed that makes it unhealthy.

[@DolphinsPlayingInAquaMoonlight]

I totally agree with everything you wrote here, but I especialy want to rant when it comes to S.R.A.. Let me make this clear to everyone out there, especially the owner of this podcast who keep dismissing this phenomena: It is absolutely real! And way more common and widespread than most people think. I was very upset about hearing how they dismissed the existence of it completely in the other interview on this channel with Teal's childhood friend, (But I don't think Teal went through S.R.A. in particular, but may have experienced SA). The poor victims of these very real S.R.A. c*lts have witnessed things that are unthinkable to most people, and they have been through such extreme abuse, that they are never believed when they share their story, and podcasts like these where they dismiss it and ridicule it without doing any research into it, doesn't help. This makes it easy for the c*lt to keep doing it and keep growing underground. Several different victims from different sa:. t.. an i. c .. c*lts also say the same thing; that their members deliberately go into proffesions like police, law, psychiatry, teaching, CPS etc so that they can make sure to protect the c*lt and discredit victims if they speak out. One of the victims even named a guy/woman (can't remember, it's years ago) from her c*lt who was one of the "experts" who made the whole "false memories" thing popular in the psychiatry field, when many victims had started to get attention during what the interviewer here calls "the s,,at _an ..ic__ craze of the 90's". When that theory became widespread and taught to psychiatry students (like the interviewer in his uni-days) it shut down the credibility of all true S.R.A. victims, and they were/are believed to have false memories. Luckily, with the internet victims can now reach more people and share their stories and evidence etc. I have done a lot of research on S.R.A., and the evidence of it's existence is overwhelming, and the different victims from different decades have so many elements in their stories that are similar and often identical. Many of these victims have never been to therapy or had "false" memories implanted. They all know detailed information about these r*tuals and their c*lt, and the details some children would tell in the days way before the internet are not something a child would be able to come up with, and their stories coincide with other children's stories from other places, and other decades, who have never met eachother. There's a documentary about a girl who claimed to have experienced S.R.A. in England in the 80's or 90's, and a psychologist was called in to see if she was telling the truth, and he was very sure that she was indeed telling the truth. As a viewer with a very strong intuition and ability to read people, it was very easy to see she was telling the truth. S.R.A. seems to be very widespread in England. There's also the incident of the two small children, siblings, who were talking about horrific things to a guy on the street who filmed them while talking about how they would go with their dad to this place where they m*rdered babies and cut their heads off, and would go into horrific details on how they went about this, and they would talk about how the grown ups would "do things" to them (SA). They would go into detail and tell the story fast and fluently with no hesitation or pause, talking over each other and saying the same disturbing details. They even knew that the babies came from orpahanages and adoption agencies, so no one would miss them (This is something that several victims, in different places, from different decades, say too) The police had specialists interview them separately, and they all agreeed that the siblings were telling the truth, and that their stories corroborated (if that's the right word in english), their stories added up, on ALL the details. But then some powerful people pulled some strings and the children were placed back into the fathers care! The internet was outraged over this. This seems to happen alot with these children... There is also a scientific study that can be found on pubmed that concludes that S.R.A. is a real phenomena and they warn against dismissing it as false memories, and stress the importance of believing these victims. There's even a former police officer in England who was working on trying to take down p-networks and s.:, at,,a,, ,ni..c__ cults. He worked with hundreds of children who had been through this, and he saw how all their stories added up, children from different districts who had never met each other. Several of them also talked about famous p*liticians who were part of this, and one in particular that had a fetish that was so distinct and strange that there is no way small children could come up with the same details without ever having met each other, details a child would never be able to think up by themselves. Everytime this police officer and collegues had gathered enough evidence to take the networks down, their superiors either told them to drop the case (orders from higher-ups), or they were taken off the case, or if they persisted to investigate and push the case they would be sent to work for a different police district. When this police officer retired, he created a KZbin channel where he speaks openly about these things, and he lets S.R.A. victims come and tell their stories. You can tell these people are telling the truth, many have the scars to prove it (unlike Teal). I can't believe that people like this guy running this podcast can believe that there are c*lts and people out there like Lori and Chad Daybell, and there are many examples of similar cases where people have done horrendous things and m*rd*red their own children and others due to their beliefs, and yet they think Sat..:-an,,*i..c__ c*lts and S.R.A. is just BS and too far out there?? Even though it has been known for decades that there are (many) people who truly believe in the devil and worship him. We also know that there are sadists, psychopaths, sociopaths, m*rderers and R*p..is..ts, litteraly evil people in general, out there. What makes him think they can't come toghether in this way and do awful things together? If it is so hard for them to fathom this, they should know that this runs in certain families (often very rich), and the children are programmed from a very young age to be part of these activities, undergo certain extreme m*nd c*ntr*l techniques to make them dissociate and create alter egos that are easy to contr*l, and make them parttake in ab*se and m*rder, shutting down their ability to feel empathy and litteraly turning them into sadistic sociopaths (which doesn't work on everyone, fortunately, and they are the ones speaking out)...and then they do the same thing to their own children...That's how these cults keep growing and thriving underground. It makes me so furious that someone can just dismiss this stuff without doing any research beforehand, and then automatically accept other extreme cults. I feel so sad for the victims who are never believed due to the severity of their abuse. Do your own research people. Don't listen to the so-called experts! Ps: Can anyone see this comment?

[@user-oj4iz9gb9m]

😂😮'Person who gossip(s) about other person/organization, doesn't have own life-vision, life values, daily/periodic list of priorities' - Max (me😅)

[@INNdibongo]

The two of you should write a book together…! You don’t derail him, you challenge him to clarify. He’s got a lot of experience inside him to share, he’s all over the place - probably because it’s so much life experience. I know several men in my life that could benefit from what you’ve discussed. He’s right “people need people” but the downside is that “people use people” - there’s the danger. As for Teal, she’s an amazing orator. It’s a pity that what she is “selling” is false hope and utter deception.

[@unumverumbonum2156]

Great! Thank you for this. I wonder if David Icke and Teal Swan ever considered lecturing together on stage. #lol

[@shannamaria395]

He is not explaining Chakras well. I highly recommend researching and education on Chakras to better understand.

[@byronchurch]

Looks like a load of people tried to help this dude move on from Mormonism and now he’s blaming them for all his problems .

[@waynegilland1327]

This guy is the most awful interviewer.

[@JessicaOrban3606]

True, not his forte. He adds a lot of his own stuff into it and jumps around

[@chulitolove6648]

Finalllllllyyyyyyy someone said it,,,,,he's super unprofessional 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 and he's very noisy

[@kimcorrick321]

He’s ok

[@run_eclipse]

Yes, it feels like he's imposing his view on the guy and even cuts him off. Sometimes when you know that the interviewer has the authority, you sense that and go with the flow to be aligned with them.

[@naminea2480]

I have been looking in almost every religion, every alternative narrative in regards to spirituality, god and all that is and I found a bit of truth in every one of them. But I found hooks and deceits in every one of them too. For me we all are Hansel and Gretl picking up the crumbs to find our way home….

[@kikimeonce9571]

I always say there is a thin line between spirituality/religion and sanity. Chakras are real. a I can feel mine, its really crazy. So many things in spirituality are real, and some of it is bullshit but when you have no sense of self you fall for anything, just Like religion. Understand it ends and begins with you. We hold the power over our lives even when we dont believe we do.

[@chantellmoody828]

Beautifully said ❤️

[@tianna1116]

Magical thinking is almost always unhelpful, and it can be dangerous. Sometimes it’s deadly.

[@kikimeonce9571]

@@tianna1116 Im sorry i have no idea what your talking about.

[@kikimeonce9571]

@@tianna1116 ok good for you. Thats your beliefs and I have mine. My experiences are mine and yours are yours. My life was more dangerous when I was thinking like you. But that wasn't my path, but its yours. So Walk it peacefully and stay in your lane. I dnt go around telling people who beleive in what you beleive in that your ignorant. I just understand that We live in two diff realities. Yours is simple and mine isn't 😌 now I SAID WHAT I SAID.

[@SaucisseMerguez]

Its not opening chakras... opening your wallet is more like it mate !

[@tiffany_sant]

This comment is amazing!