Leaving Mormonism to Join Teal Swan’s Cult - Jared Dobson Pt. 4 - Mormon Stories

When someone loses their faith in Mormonism, there are several paths often followed. One is to become agnostic or atheist, and never to rejoin a religion again. One is to re-join a Christian church. One is to follow a more fundamentalist Mormon path (e.g. Denver Snuffer, Preppers, Julie Rowe). And one is to become susceptible to new age beliefs and other gurus or cult leaders. Today we will be talking about the last option.
Teal Swan (born Mary Teal Bosworth) is described on her web site as an American spiritual teacher, author, and social media personality. She was raised in Logan, UT, and as a teenager was connected to controversial Mormon therapist Barbara Snow, who was at the center of the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic in the 1990s and 2000s. After a very turbulent childhood, which involved self harm and suicidality, Teal pursued modeling for a time, and eventually began pursuing the path of becoming a spiritual guide.
Teal's teachings on how to manage mental health issues have often been described as unconventional and she has received criticism for how she attracts fans, with some critics nicknaming her "The Suicide Catalyst". At present she has 700,000 followers and has been covered by the BBC, and in several documentaries, including a recent documentary on Netflix.
Her history of work is highly controversial because it incorporates various super controversial and problematic ideologies and practices such as:
The cultivation of repressed/recovered (false) memories.
Claims of Satanic ritual abuse.
Energy healing.
Clairvoyance.
Numerology.
The Law of Attraction.
A belief in a "Third Eye."
The usage of crystals to "raise your vibration or frequency."
A belief in multiple lives.
A belief that she is an alien from another planet.
A belief in spiritual projections/possessions.
When dealing with suicidal clients, referring to suicide as "pushing the reset button" for a future life.
Communal living.
Jared Dobson was raised LDS, served an LDS mission, got married and divorced, became suicidal, and started searching for answers in New Age Spirituality. He came across Teal Swan, and became a follower in her movement (a "Tealer") for 2 years. He ended up moving in with Teal and became a part of her communal family in Park City, Utah. They were romantically involved for 5-6 months, were set to have a child together, and as the relationship began to fray, Jared was kicked out of the commune and checked himself into a psychiatric ward (UNI at the University of Utah).
He has been recovering ever since.
This is Jared's story of his experiences with Teal Swan. This story also has important connections to other cult-like phenomena occurring in recent times, including the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell/Julie Rowe/Prepper phenomena. It also is an insider's view into the emergence of a modern cult.
Chapters
00:00 Thinking he is crazy, committing himself to uni psychiatric ward
04:23 Living with his mom, later with his dad. Being a burden to others
08:28 Living all over the place, getting a job. Visitation rights for his daughter
10:12 Changing his diet. Improving health. Sign of a cult: dietary restrictions
11:03 Changing beliefs. Recognizing cults
13:30 End of contact with Teal. Not relying on some external guru. Reprogramming himself
16:36 The power is in you. It's not outside.
19:21 Grounding techniques. Bringing yourself to the present moment
21:25 Anger as a second emotion. Talking out the primary emotion
22:55 Jared's thoughts on Teal Swan's suicide teachings
30:08 You can create a cult everywhwere. The heart of all abusive relationships
32:02 Any good religion or dictatorial regime has an enemy
39:16 Having to unpack the baggage. Telling the story is part of his healing
42:29 Jared getting emotional at a Pride parade
51:47 Comparing to mormonism
56:27 Closing words
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[@frankieyoungblood]

Jared, what a blessing to have watched this interview. I came for the Teala-drama, and stayed for your genuine honest soul. Thank you for sharing your vulnerability and showing how important being real is. THANK YOU!! What a time to be alive ❤️

[@komplikatedphoenix1657]

Me too! He's a treasure. Great dry affect on the Teal impressions. I feel like we all knew a Teal in high school but they grew up and became adults.

[@davincineptune]

Some of you guys need to take it easy, this is real sensitive for Jared and hes being vulnerable in this situation. I am sure he could have said worst things about Teal, but out respect he kept it neutral. Some people in chat are judging him a little too far, when hes just being honest sharing his experience and his story.

[@tianna1116]

I’m feeling protective of him too. What he did here was impressive to me. It’s tough to be so honest and bare! Huge props to him

[@mikalin9286]

@@tianna1116 yeah I keep coming back here to like the supportive comments because I’ve seen to many people taking what he’s said completely out of context and seemingly accusing him of things on other videos based on what he said here that I’m hoping are just coming from misunderstandings. People hear what they want to hear. Everything I heard him say in his interview, in context is understandable to me and I truly wish him the best.

[@wendell5462]

This teal bashing cult needs their psychiatrist to double the dose of whatever medication they're on

[@wendell5462]

@@tianna1116 I'm feeling like he needs his psychiatrist to recommend extra drugs

[@somosunmicrouniversodentro1401]

He's a victim ... his parents and their religion's rules destroyed him

[@cheltseaswensen8670]

Oh my gosh! BEST therapy session ever! If only everyone had this "grey area" mindset! The Taoist tradition believes that "every tragedy is just a comedy misunderstood"

[@kristythomas2919]

Thank you to both of you for this amazing podcast! I have limited experience with Teal. I had two friends who were part of her inner circle and I was asked by her business manager to help organize one of her public events back in 2012. There is honestly so much I could say, but I will limit it to this... 1. From the limited exposure I've had of her, I do think she teaches some things that could be valuable to certain people. 2. I also think she teaches some things are extremely dangerous for other types of people. 3. One of my friends loved and adored her, and encouraged me to go have one-on-one sessions with her. (I didn't.) 4. Teal forced the ritual abuse narrative on my other friend, who was only 20 at the time, and it was extremely damaging to her psychologically. She also shared with me that Teal was manipulative and controlling, fame-obsessed, and deceitful. Like Jared, ultimately my friend also went to the psyche ward after her friendship with Teal ended. 5. My personal impression of Teal is that she is very cold. She claims to want to make the world better and help and serve people, but I really feel that her main focus is helping and serving herself. I love Jared's perspectives on the whole experience he had with her. And I appreciate his vulnerability in expressing himself. Great podcast.

[@tianna1116]

Super interesting thanks for sharing! I’ve never met her in person but the things you listed seem dead on to me. Especially her being cold, she really doesn’t seem like she genuinely likes or wants to help anyone (except herself)

[@komplikatedphoenix1657]

I feel like the fame obsessed piece (and money) is the key. Very basic woman who found a niche.

[@somosunmicrouniversodentro1401]

A very sound comment, and relying on a true experience. I agree about Teal Swan's apparently heartless and emotionless attitude. Her videos are a show of her physical beauty. My feeling, and I don't owe anybody any kind of hypocrisy on my side, is that one of feeling absolutely nothing while listening to her. She doesn't open any kind of door from deep down her heart. I can only guess that if she's sort of messianic, it's because she herself went through something gross that doesn't help her transcend the screen. Greetings from Argentina.

[@alekstomaszewska4312]

Cold=psychopathy in this case, based on all the information out there.

[@nemashaw4761]

This has been such a fantastic conversation! I’ve watched all 4 episodes this afternoon and evening. Absolutely appreciate this young man and his vulnerability, openness, and insight! A terrific interview, John!

[@addaelliott2651]

I learned a lot from these episodes with Jared. What a beautiful soul he is, I wish him and his daughter the best in this world. His courage, his emotional intelligence and strength are amazing. He shifted my whole way of thinking for the better. I will remember this my whole life. And I really admire the way he thinks and talks about Teal too, it could've been much different but we can see he is a healing person. I just wish the interviewer wasn't interrupting him the whole time and trying to direct the episode with a narrative in mind. But I admire him too, I aspire to become a great psychologist like him as well. Much love people

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

Jared seems like such a true PERSON - someone who is seeking THE GOOD. I learned so much from part 4 of this interview. Jared's description of good and evil resonated in such a realistic way to me. I am so thankful he was willing to do this interview. "Unpack the pain; don't institutionalize it."

[@MinkytheMinkY]

🙄 seems very self involved IMHO. He abandoned his family and he admits to mooching off his relatives while still holding a candle out for Teal. She realized this guy was no more use to her and in fact posed some threat in his mental imbalance and so cut him off. This is no sweet guy but a lost puppy in deep need of help.

[@meverly7834]

Man… I cry like this man too. I came from a traumatic childhood and went through stuff after losing my mom and being in a relationship with a malignant narcissist for years…. I wasn’t allowed to have emotions when I was little and just figured out emotions at 30. I had to figure it out because I was crying like him ALL the time.. in basic conversations… and it makes others uncomfortable. The thing is I went years never crying, but then it was like something broke in me and I cry all the time… even when things make me happy like him…. I’d love to have some chats with this guy…..

[@wendell5462]

This fellow don't seem like a credible critic of teal swan. 2000 years later and someone still is going to attack the messenger. Good job teal haters. Thank God there are no crosses and that the stones you threw fell well short, maybe if you stir the enough emotions some nut job will pull a John Lennon Martin Luther King every time I listen to teal I'm inspired. Every time I listen to teal haters I'm disgusted, angry don't even like the way I think. I'm going back to listen to you y'all are nonsense

[@lynncarter4964]

because you allowed yourself to break out and cry alot, you are less likely to get cancer, or if you do, you are more likely to survive it. thanks for this story.

[@shamBOT666]

I can't stop being grateful to Jared for sharing his story. A beautiful person. I have been so angry about my cousin being taken by Teal, I miss her deeply. I am trying to let go of my guilt over not stopping her when she started down that path. This situation has been heartbreaking for my family, and this interview somehow helps me feel better about all of it, and have a little hope. Thank you, both of you, so much @Mormon Stories Podcast

[@andrewliamintuitive]

31:56 The things that Jared has been saying about pain and anger up to this point in the video are extremely profound and important to understand. I’m very impressed with his awareness and thoughtfulness around these subjects. I learned / relearned something listening to this.

[@andrewliamintuitive]

44:07 This was beautiful Jared. You are beautiful and human resilience is beautiful. I’m crying right here with you three years after this recording. Thank you. ♥️

[@kbaby5397]

I really appreciate the interviewer way of keeping him on track asking really great questions and his viewpoint on everything first time watching his channel and I definitely will be watching more thank you guys both for sharing!

[@ElvenWisdom]

I just want to point out something here from an objective point of view based on integrity and sacredness of all souls in the universe: Someone telling you to “kill your self” in a relationship or online stranger, is never about you or for your growth. It’s about the growth that is needed in the one who told you that. We experience both what we are, and what we are not in order to truly fall in love with the Self, return back to the origins of our loving awareness watching the world. It’s a relative universe and that’s why right and wrong do exist in dualism. Nobody should EVER say “kill yourself” to others and it’s been said a few times by her he said and others have came out about.

[@lisasisneros8200]

This has been one of my favorite interviews on this channel. Jared has gained so much insight through his experiences and I’m floored by the wisdom he had to impart with honesty and vulnerability. You’ve opened my eyes to a lot of things. Thank you for sharing your story, Jared! ❤

[@andrewliamintuitive]

Just finished all four plus hours of this interview, and it was amazing. Thank you both.

[@ellacady5925]

glad to see a man being vulnerable and sharing feelings

[@ethanwright5081]

Sending love to everyone reading this. Him crying in the end is great, I for some reason cannot cry, I'm so so hurt my life is in such ruin but I cant cry I've never been able to cry..

[@tianna1116]

I’ve never experienced that but people have described it to me before, and the impression I got was that it was a sort of defense mechanism. They also said it came back eventually, their tears just started flowing again one day (in a good way)

[@mireyabailey1369]

I used to be like that too. I prayed for the ability to cry and it came back 🙏🏽

[@MKConnecticut]

I didn’t intend to watch this episode. But Jared, with his genuine honesty and vulnerability, has kept me tuned in. Thank you for this lovely conversation. I’m hoping you’re doing well, Jared❤️

[@stacey_1111rh]

As someone who was dedicated to her work and was an avid follower. I’m now an ex Tealer, teal triber. This whole interview was helpful and actually in a way healing for me to hear his story. It helped me understand some things about Swan and the cult like atmosphere and how it had a positive and also quite negative impact on my life. It’s taken me years to get here like Jarod although I didn’t get close to Teal or her close by live in “intentional community”like he did, the effect on me was different. Thanks to the both of you for the talk.

[@Fabienna]

How do you know its true what he is saying, and how he perceived it. we all should be carefully judging other people. And I know one thing all religions and some other instituations are manipulative and powerhungry, means false teachings for manipulation, some are not even aware of this who believe this things. And than the Matrix dont like people like Teal, and will discreted them. Something to think about. Listen to your heart thats the best compass not an interwieve. I am not saying she is good or bad. Just be careful. I am just saying.

[@Itstaryncenter]

This is my favorite interview. I love this vulnerability and empathy. I can FEEL the emotions and I love it. He’s so right. Feeling your emotions is the key to life ♥️ thanks for sharing

[@Highlyguided40]

Did you watch The Deep End… she is now covering videos on what the series is saying about her and is defending every detail. I was careful not go too deep into her views… they were refreshing but after watching Jared’s full interview… there is nothing I sensed from him that he was portrayed as a sociopath. She is however classic plagiarizing her work and borderline and narcissistic master manipulator

[@Itstaryncenter]

@@Highlyguided40 YES! I have been watching it, and I felt the same way! The ideas and intention behind what she is saying is nice, but the way that she goes about it is really uncomfortable.

[@Highlyguided40]

@@Itstaryncenter I bought 2 card decks from her and that’s as far as I’m gonna go! I bought The BlindSpot deck and there are sigil tattoos included and I never wanted to touch them! I do not want to be programmed and now want to scrub her off my videos list on KZbin. I’m learning a lot this year that idolizing anyone who is a public figure is a big mistake!

[@sarahcollins8273]

Aw bud, I just want to say that you have such a great perspective. There are a particular group of ppl that overthink and try to do everything perfectly, and it’s to their detriment… It’s hard for us to exist. Thank you for being vulnerable and open. I hope life continues to get happier for you. ❤️

[@Nicole-zr1me]

I found Jared’s story insightful. Thanks for sharing.

[@debibarmonde]

Thank you so much, Jared, for sharing your journey and your wisdom! You are a perfect example of someone who has found transformation through your experience. You have shared amazing techniques and hacks that I know will help people. Your humility and sincerity and true compassion shine through so clearly. I don't see much difference between your experience with Teal and my experience with the LDS Church. I LOVE that you are *not* worried about saving people from their lives. WOW! You have such a peaceful approach to life, and I am inspired and expanded by what you say and who you are. Thank you so much! That concept of not carrying pain for others" and refusing to "safety net" others is SO powerful! WOWZA! The true power of self-compassion. 💖❤🦋 Again, thank you, Jared.

[@t.v.5832]

I wish I could give you a hug Jared. You're a good person. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@terranbishop8368]

People who say they could never be fooled by someone like Teal Swan will be the first ones to fall headlong for the next cult to come along. There is strength in knowing your weaknesses.

[@e11esounds]

Well said. Studies into cults show it really doesn’t matter how educated, intelligent or well adjusted you are - almost all are susceptible.

[@phishcatt]

​@@e11esounds Yes, but in a way intelligent people are less susceptible as they tend to be less prone to magical thinking and confirmation bias and have more developed critical thinking. Of course smart people can and do still fall for a cult for these reasons, or others, like mental illness, but in general it is less intelligent people who get in cults, just specific types of intelligence. Wisdom, if you will. I completely agree with the statement that you need to know your weaknesses and be self aware.

[@MysteryMountain44]

@@e11esounds Especially since intelligent people are often open-minded, they give the benefit of ths doubt where it shouldn't be given.

[@briarrose7016]

It's sad to see that he's still so high strung and emotional, but it's also good to see that he's aware of it and that he's escaped a lie. After watching this interview and the one you did with Teal's childhood friend, it's shocking that she has any followers left. Beautiful people can get away with anything.

[@Milklatte]

Yip. Just watched both interviews and that's enough for me to unsubscribe and unfollow everywhere

[@healingrays3762]

It seems that Teal is still under the mind control of the people who sexually abused her and traumatized her, and are using her to discredit SRA survivors and program the masses to believe that SRA is fiction.

[@healingrays3762]

@@Milklatte the interviewer claims that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist.

[@briarrose7016]

@@healingrays3762 Your problem is that you believe her story when all of it could be a lie. There's no proof of anything. Be skeptical, it's healthier than what you're doing and what she's doing.

[@healingrays3762]

@@briarrose7016 you don't know me, so how can you know what I am doing? I have listened to Teal and to the interview with Teal's childhood friend, and I don't believe any of these people. It seems to me that they are all under MK Ultra mind control.

[@brittasings]

I really appreciate the aspect of “not holding pain for others” because it seems these days if you aren’t an “empath” you’re not a good person. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with keeping to oneself and protecting those humane sensitivities from overflowing

[@misstmemrs]

His premise of doing only what you enjoy seems questionable to me. Pain can tell you what problems need to be solved. Facing the pain and going through the pain involves a lot of emotional and practical steps. To imagine you should only do things from a place of joy is unreal. Speaking up against vigilantes and moving against deranged destroyers is not necessarily just for people who enjoy it and can do it in a great and funny way. What he is discussing is difficult to articulate clearly. If I criticize and attempt to engage in an open dialogue about it, he has to deal with the pain of being criticized or challenged. If that is his chosen experience. Based upon a core belief about arguing or criticism induces pain and is therefore bad. We can all go into philosophical tangents. Some people fix rigid rules for themselves. Imagine telling people just do what you feel joy doing only and many problems are not your business or responsibility. People make different choices. It’s good that some people choose to live their best life. And it is good that some people notice suffering and work to help. And that work may not be joyful all the time. It may be excruciating and you keep going anyway. But you might find a peace that surpasses understanding. Another thing is when he says that change comes from inside yourself only. Really humanistic. Others believe the exact opposite. That blessings and gifts and talents and inspiration comes from a higher power that is outside the self and not you. So maybe that is the Spence he discusses. The unity with a Holy Spirit who does for you what you cannot do for yourself. Who works through you to help others. Yea what he says people are so afraid in this world. There is so much cruelty and hatred and judgement. So he says it isn’t for him to be combative or destructive against certain people or groups he disagrees with, but when he says he has to do his own role and can’t engage in certain things, it is upsetting also. We feel helpless. Wish we could do more. Oh yea. Spiritual abuse is so hard to reconcile. Devastation. And seeing others abused like that and especially not doing anything about it or feeling helpless or too frightened , so feeling cowardly. He won’t engage in a reasoned deliberation about Teals beliefs or behavior. Somehow we missed the story. Just vague. Maybe he is withholding something and just pontificating with empty rhetoric. He said he wanted to help teal. This is so unsatisfying because there is no story. I believe people can be reasoned out of cults but you have to be able to engage by discussing the specific beliefs. Rational argument.

[@plummage]

This is a life changing concept!

[@michelletruelove7783]

Apologies here for my lack of correction on typing errors, missing or inaccurate punctuation, a little to much detailed rambling, and the run-on sentences. These things are- ironically enough- a result of my hyper active,losing my train of thought, point of view coming faster than my fingers can relate, brain. I guess that's why I understood his whole messege and got it completely despite what was or wasn't said.

[@AlleenLoveHope]

Same. I've found that most "empaths" are simply traumatized ppl who consciously/unconsciously are constantly evaluating the emotions of those around them as a defense mechanism.

[@a.e.rromero5403]

It's called having boundaries. Most self-proclaimed empaths don't know how to hold healthy boundaries. There's no reason why anyone should feel or hold someone else's pain. You can sympathize but other people's feelings are theirs not yours. It seems a bit disrespectful to me to "feel" someone else's feelings, at that point you're making it about you and not them.

[@pamelasupanick2620]

This “false memories” thing reminds me of the experience of the Knights Templar when they were captured, abusively interrogated, and tortured to confess to suggested sins and crimes. Humans are very suggestible to begin with, and they become more suggestible when abused, roughly and repetitiously interrogated, and/or tortured. Who knows what they really did, as these techniques are highly oppressive. Jared’s story makes me think of a pleasure/pain pendulum swinging from one wide to another. When in so much pain, a desire for pleasure is so strong, and human beings will do or say anything to stop pain and restore pleasure. Then when in a great deal of pleasure, a thought of unworthiness brings on a desire for pain. Rising above the pleasure/pain pendulum into more consistent experiences can really help to get off those deep ups and downs. Getting a job or project, committed relationships, and creating a regular routine is very helpful.

[@ethanwright5081]

Interrogation tactics still used today

[@AyanamarieC]

Wow💞 it is beautiful to see a man being so open and able to express emotions in the way he did. Just beautiful.

[@HaileyMorganful]

As a former follower of Teal, I was asking myself if she had hurt me personally, and the truth is she really hasn't. In fact, Teal has helped me a lot through some very dark times with her youtube videos. I don't condone the way she treats people, and I can see how the things she says can be very damaging to someone, especially those with suicidal thoughts. I feel for them. I had always felt something off about her, so I am so grateful to have found out about all of this now. Thanks for the awesome interview. Would love to see more men with this type of vulnerability in the world

[@justahumanbeing.709]

the things is tho the things she says in her you tube videos that you liked are ideas that she just took from other people as jared says in this talk, she just plagarized other people.

[@schmemmm]

@@justahumanbeing.709 Tony Robbins plagiarised other people's work and he made a whole career out of it and he sexually assaulted people but there is no expose on him here.

[@cymatiste]

I'm so glad I stuck through to the end. The point about holding pain shone a liberating light on my experience. Thanks for hosting this great conversation.

[@karmamariem19]

There's nothing embarrassing about being emotional. It's quite the opposite. It's extremely brave! And also very healing. Thank you for being yourself.

[@freedombug11]

I listened to all four parts of this interview yesterday and today, and it has given me so much to think about and changed my perspectives. Jared has learned so much through his experiences and that wisdom was hard won but well worth it.

[@debfox]

Thank you for sharing your story! It's okay to be emotional. It's beautiful to cry! It releases feel good hormones. You don't ever have to apologize for being sensitive!

[@caseyjude5472]

I am grateful for Jared’s honesty & willingness to share the good, the bad & the ugly. Not everyone would have been willing to share stories of their poor judgements & bad behaviors-that we all are guilty of in some measure. John, your ability to keep the interview on track, provide “translations” and reminder that you’re also not perfect & have made poor decisions too. Your professionalism shone through. This was such a great interview. I laughed and cried. I listened on the podcast first, waited until part 4 to watch it here. Now I’m going to watch the other parts. I found it so helpful. Thank you so much!

[@jaredmdobson]

Casey Jude glad you enjoyed it, I wish you the absolute best

[@thinkingoutsidethegrid5625]

@@jaredmdobson Amazing interview! Your wisdom blew me away. Its wisdom only gained through tough life lessons and working through major pain.

[@BrittBeeMcGee]

I completely lost it. This guy is an angel. I wish him and his family all the best.

[@vkestrel3519]

Fabulous interview. Insightful, revealing, inspiring and humbling. I learnt a lot 🙏🏻

[@ruxandraserbanescu9831]

@ V Kestrel Could not have said it better… I tried and used a lot more words:)

[@nesxya]

Wow what an intense interview. Thank you! I only recently heard about Teal Swan this month. I watched some videos online some I enjoyed, others not so much. When I explored older content and interviews, Teal seemed "off" with moments of inappropriate laughter and odd ramblings. Then I heard about her backstory and life long issues with interpersonal relationships: friends, family, inner circle, etc. I got the feeling she trauma bonds with sensitive people who are at a low point in their life and truly vulnerable. Teal Swan is emotionally abusive and manipulative to those closest to her. To me Jared shows signs of post trauma from an abusive relationship, what a brave soul to share his story. It would be interesting to see a follow up, since it's two years later. I truly hope he has furthered healed. As for Teal Swan it's obvious something is going on with her: past trauma, mental illness, personality disorder, etc but there is so much delusional psychosis mixed in. She really needs proper treatment so she doesn't continue to emotionally manipulate/abuse those closest to her. Teal Swan's past trauma and "Shadow" work is no excuse to allow her to be an abuser herself. Thank you for an outstanding 4 part podcast.

[@HiHereIAm165]

Oh the simple wisdom of this man, having gone through all that ☺️😍. Such clear seeing, so sober now ❤️❤️❤️

[@kbaby5397]

Very inspirational when talking about the power is with in and the “ I feel” and “ I “ messages. Also feeling ur feelings 🙏🏽💕

[@lisaruzicka8345]

Great interview. I love how Jared thinks. I have never thought the way he does. He showed me a different perspective.

[@nightstarjournal5081]

Vulnerability is strength, love this. Terrific interview brothers.

[@maygrantz4426]

Vulnerability it helps you to become a strong person when you learn your mistakes and overcome your fear. Always, remember not every one has best interest on you and someone will use your vulnerability to use against you.

[@onelittleplum]

I’ve never seen EFT not be effective, truly, it’s such an incredible modality. Thank you for mentioning it!

[@LSChestersMom]

What a wonderful and insightful interview. Thank you both. I really like this gentleman and his courage is inspiring. What a good soul.

[@Ji2LNL]

Beautiful! Insightful ! Inspiring! Touching! helpful for my life! it feels healthy. Thank you, Jared!

[@kylieday9997]

I have so much quiet understanding of these clips. Thankyou for posting, amazing humans. Keep contributing with your experiences and personal knowledge and genuine honesty.

[@LunaDivinations]

You’re a wonderful interviewer - really helping this brave man to express himself and complex ideas in a way the audience will fully understand.

[@danielkelley7548]

I have the utmost respect for this man being interviewed. I could say more....about Swan. Much, much more. But here isn't the place to do it.

[@gaylechristensen6285]

I'd love to hear it. I have been threatened by one of her minions, simply by mentioning that she is dangerous.

[@nsanenthembrane]

Aww the end was beautiful. So glad the interviewer saw it that way

[@tyhumphries]

A beautiful reminder that anytime we are pointing fingers there are 4 pointing back to me. Soooo true! Extreme ownership of our lives. The only thing we have control over is our own life. Your vulnerability is leadership brother! Emotions are our guide! If we can give them the time the deserve things get better! Thank you Jared!!!

[@kfer93]

Thank you for telling him that crying is beautiful ❤️

[@jmb8732]

What Jared is experiencing and expressing is a great self awareness and freedom. Inspiring. Great interview, thanks.

[@YY-ei1gm]

She is not normal. I dated a narcissist. We don’t matter to them.

[@HiHereIAm165]

Narcs can get stuff done. Close to them we will get the manipulation, it is all about the needs of their mechanism. That is how cults, sects, war, bullying, manipulation from victimhood and from fake power, and abuse happen. Cluster b is living a different reality. No human beings there. None of what people connected to the heart are able to enjoy. No love no joy no intimacy. Different. Does not mean they cannot get stuff done!

[@schmemmm]

Unless you dated someone who was clinically diagnosed with that health problem you dated someone who you perceived to have narcissistic tendencies not someone with NPD.

[@plummage]

Thank you again for another powerful interview. So inspiring. I learned so much about healing just from listening to all of the work that he did. Blessings to him!

[@nnacroon7356]

I love the back and forth of a persons experiences/what he learned to the psychology around the idea he gave. Super interesting!

[@jenna_lee]

If someone is jailed because of false accusations by a brainwashed person, that is point blank wrong. No one is asking Jared to be miserable on that person’s behalf, but simply to acknowledge that Teal’s alleged brainwashing of her followers (I don’t follow this stuff enough to have formed a view) is not ok. The way he swings wildly when asked if it’s wrong feels a lot like trying to wash his hands of something he was a part of endorsing. If no one ever acted from a place of outrage some of history’s greatest human rights atrocities would’ve continued. The reason so many do continue is because of apathy. Saying animal rights activists are just projecting their own feelings of guilt onto animal abusers is nonsense. It’s called empathy. Not the spiritual empath concept. Basic human empathy.

[@whatdoyoulivefor735]

The asking why thing will be really useful for me during introspection. I hadn't thought to do this and I'm glad he shared this. This guy is cool. I like him. He's trying to be as authentic as possible, the thing Teal claims to be and fails miserably at. He is humbled and a good person who is realistic about where he's at and I respect him. I feel that he gained a lot in wisdom through his difficult experiences.

[@MysteryMountain44]

'He's trying to be as authentic as possible, the thing teal claims to be but fails miserably at.'- Spot on!

[@heatherstewart4084]

I never comment! Jared is just so tender hearted. It is heart warming and refreshing to see a man so in touch with his emotions and to have come so far! I wish all the best for you Jared❤️

[@elisabethrettenwender8650]

The power is in you. That is exactly correct. Reiki is an ancient Japanese healing modality with training and levels, Another tool for someone to use to work on their own healing or misuse to manipulate people. Be careful John not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and blame the tools for the con. Thanks Jared, You need to tell this story. A ted talk? A documentary? a Book? Your perspective is great because you have love for Teal and her people even after what she put you through. Keep being a wierd guy, we more guys like you! you are on the healing journey. Young Men especially need to hear what you know now. Thank you for sharing!

[@myfeetarecold]

The ideas Jared shares about emotional contagion are so insightful. I wish him all the healing.

[@unhingedheroine5101]

Thank you so much for this vid. The conversation at the end was so important to share

[@marleymae6746]

Thanks for being authentic man. Respect!

[@thehealingplace3215]

I also love EFT for helping process & release my emotions. I agree with being vulnerable and sharing our feelings instead of trying to work everything out in our minds. Sharing definitely half’s the intensity and can help ground us in our bodies. I love the way Jared said he now communicates with his daughter, I think that kind of open communication is so valuable for children’s developing brains.

[@SamanthaShelley]

This is a fascinating interview, well done to both of you! Jared shared a surprising amount of wisdom!

[@MKConnecticut]

Tapping is WONDERFUL. I used to think it was BS, but it truly is comforting

[@JS-lm3lq]

My sister follows her, and I am grateful I can inform her choices with the interview provided here, thanks; myself I totally love his message of going inward and allowing the feeling, etc. the 5 why's; Jared totally has it together; much love to you brother; I wish to be like you with my feelings

[@prudencegumdrop9557]

This dude is such a sweet person. Glad he got out of an abusive situation

[@schmemmm]

No he sexually assaulted his ex wife, that isn't sweet.

[@larareveau]

I love you John Dehlin. Wish you were my grandpa or uncle or something. I could say so much. Beautiful content, always ❤

[@tkomla]

Yes, this is beautiful. Speaking truth and developing strength enough to express his vulnerability is truly a thing of beauty. And I thank you for the courage it took to learn how to do it.

[@cphilips66]

I was engrossed with this interview until the second half when there was what felt like a shocking shift towards treating all empathy as projection. Empathy is something that is NOT the root of all evil. It is his inability to empathize that he battles with, but it is not healthy to reject this important trait. Finding values and fighting for them is not unhealthy...living out your trauma on others is. He is continuing to use black-and-white thinking. Using his example of someone being killed in front of me: I can see this occurring and intervene. This can be because my values drive me to operate that everyone has the right to not be killed, full stop. Putting yourself in another's shoes is incredibly important. Standing up for what is right is not evil or projecting. It might be overhyped lately to be an "empath", which is just ego trying to communicate what others perceive as a valuable trait. Being empathetic is not a trend or even seen just in humans. This guy has some wounds still festering.

[@greeneyes7]

I think Jared may potentially have Aspergers or is somewhere on the spectrum. I think that would explain a lot of his past behavior and mindsets he discussed, as well as the way he converses and thinks in this interview.

[@Fairyan]

Wauw! very inspirational… thank you so much for sharing🙏

[@tutahspeaks]

I am so happy that I watched this all the way through. Thank you for this.

[@ComewithLove79]

Gosh this was amazing! Thank you for sharing, and I needed to hear this!

[@missmagillicutty6721]

Thank you for sharing these episodes. Thank you to Jared for sharing your story!! Much love to you all!! God bless!! 🙏😇🥰

[@synesthesia7511]

I have learned so much from these stories. I have been through such a similar experience and hearing stories of healing helps us all.

[@Investigativebean]

Thank you so much Jared. You have shared incredible insight. I am a better person for having watched this.

[@wrenaevillard5266]

Thank you so much, to you both. This is helping me and many others. “Beautiful, vulnerability is strength “ thank you. Love much love.

[@chilo8187]

Jared is brave. I hope he will heal fully from these experiences. I will say that sometimes when we go to great lengths to avoid pain, we end up invalidating our true feelings. It sounds like he is in a lot of pain.

[@K777angel]

I love the psychology behind holding pain and anger and how it creates these danger cults, alliances, pockets of groups who share the same offense. I do also feel it is appropriate to feel these emotions when you need to and having people come around you to valid your feelings are good things. I guess releasing things, the unforgiveness or anger and learning who u can and cant trust is how you allow these experiences from making you feel like a helpless victim. So valuable. Thank you. Your life experience has added value to me.

[@jonipitcher7185]

This is probably my favorite episode ever

[@emmaosbern2073]

a beautiful well rounded ending. Keep going Jared, I'm rooting for a continuous rewarding healing journey for you! 💓

[@coatofmanycolors8397]

I appreciate your honesty & your willingness to be genuine & vulnerable. Seems like you have successfully figured things out & I am happy for you. I pray that Teal can find peace in her life someday 🙏 ❤🙏

[@superstelly]

Thank you for this amazingly vulnerable interview Jared. ♥️

[@MKConnecticut]

Thank you, beautiful Jared. Sending huge hugs

[@anthill1510]

"Fully unpack the pain, just don´t institutionalize it."

[@petal2704]

Wow...I have so much I'd like to say about this!!! It increasingly seems to me that the world is divided into narcissistic types and gentler folks, vulnerable to their machinations. ...and here I am, my life having been transformed through abusive relationships - with a crystal in my bra :-) My healing came about through meditation, visualisation and expressive art, after I realised that talk counselling was keeping me stuck in the the stories of what had happened... And so now I work as an intuitive energy healer, having been an an artist before... I have no online presence - I come across Teal Swan's videos from time to time so know of her... and Jared, I'm sorry you went through all you have. I applaud you for finding your way --- as a healer I see exactly that as my role, to help others find their way, to their own truth and way of being, unfettered by the past or others 'knowing' I have no online presence because I know first hand how narcissistic the 'healing' community can be. This is the direction my life is flowing in and yet I have so much resistance. I love the work I do and the results on my clients lives are profound, but yet I have a huge reluctance to going internet public. Jared, you summed it up all so perfectly in this interview - the way home to yourself is through you knowing, experiencing and accepting your personal power...to put yourself back at the centre of your own life, and being able to be that in every moment. This is the essence of my healing and what I hope to lead my clients to! I work with homeless humans often and one of the main stories I've encountered for the folks becoming homeless is the ending of a significant relationship --- We really are very vulnerable creatures - @jareddobson, thank you so much for showing us YOU...keep going!!!

[@MeltemOfficial]

Well done, Jared! You are an inspiring hero of self growth, you should be proud of yourself!

[@windyday85]

WOW great interview. Jarad Thank you for explaining about holding on letting go of our feeling's. To feel them and to tap. I REALLY need help and I will be trying this.. Thank you. Blessings to you and John and everyone here 🙏🙏🙏

[@Anne_Onymous]

Thank you so much for sharing! I _really_ appreciate the honesty. Hope he's doing well since this was posted... Moved on and spending time with his daughter. This interview probably helped more people than Jared seems to think. I mean, even he himself admitted a simple Hollywood movie helped wake him up. I've had videos wake me up to things myself.

[@jennahart84]

Jared, what a beautiful soul. I got worried when he talked about never being angry about bad things happening, but when he broke down about George Floyds murder, his heart became clear. We cant ignore injustice - but we akso can't hold onto that poison because it will take us down. Thank you both for a wonderful interview 💜

[@thekellynlove]

Wow. You are joy and strength embodied my friend 🤍✨ this is therapy. Gorgeous

[@lovelyeyessee]

Fantastic, Jarad.. thanks for sharing, I heard a lot of helpful thoughts!!

[@Cashalfstory]

Yes it’s true I used to idealize Teal also, but she said things that made me not be able to respect her such as calling herself an alien and saying it’s not her fault she isn’t perfect and “screw everyone who are against her.” When the truth is that she is an example to many people, as a self- acclaimed spiritual leader. Spiritual is not just about thinking deeply, it is about behavior and actions too. And if she tells people that they should do what they want to make them happy- such as watching shows and eating chocolate and masturbating etc. sounds like she just wants to keep them infantilized and not have true autonomy which comes with finding the true purpose of life. No one should be made on top of others, especially if they are not working on themselves / don’t take responsibility for themselves and lack humility.

[@cashmeoutsideadams258]

This was amazing and eye opening for me. Thank you so much for your story. ❤

[@wesleybreshears6732]

One of the most powerful experiences I have witnessed. I felt alone in my experience until now. Thank you!

[@BettinaNicole]

So happy for him to get well and find the inner power...great message.

[@ruxandraserbanescu9831]

What a gentle soul Jared. Some powerfully delivered helpful advise here too (look inside yourself for efficacious solutions to your problems; express kindly, honestly, in the moment what you feel: “I feel…”; tap your feelings away); stick to what you know;….. just plain simple sensible truths. Still, this was a healing experience for me to listen to this exchange. I also relate to his thoughts about poorly placed or processed pain. Thank you for sharing ☺️

[@ruxandraserbanescu9831]

Oh my gosh!!! And his joy and humor! This is like a glimpse of enlightenment in the making! Min 40:00

[@esmeraldasanchez7429]

This man is Amazing! THANK YOU SO MUCH. I love his vulnerability. He’s very brave and kind. Thank you for opening up and sharing. ❤️

[@DaKingof]

Thank you for being real and authentic Jared. I'm a weird guy too and I take pride in it. We are all unique and those who aren't in the least of ways aren't being true to who they are. Keep shinning and being vulnerable. You emotional authenticity gives me goosebumps. Thank you

[@Thepathof77]

Sweet man. I’m glad he’s healing.