Most Hated Side Character EVER

[@jokerofthewildcardarcana1139]

"I'd forgive Omni man before I forgive Amber" is a wild statement, and one I stand by

[@suzygirl1843]

White Supremacist over a blskc woman. Makes sense. The world is racist

[@lumityviktuuristanartist4100]

Omi man at least is meant to be evil and we sympathize with him when he's with his son Amber is meant to be sympathized with despite being in the wrong

[@suzygirl1843]

​@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 I'll state it this way. Imagine Omni-Man is Julius Malema, right? Go watch his clips; he's popular in South Africa, black people LOVE him. White people hate him to the bone and he might win elections in 2024. Amber = Elon Musk. South Africans don't tolerate Elon Musk. He's poorly received since he probably benefitted from Aparthied system. Invincible is a story about Colonization, as I've heard it, right? Omni-man is getting the planet ready for a takeover? Let's imagine Julius Malema being written that way in a heroic light. Amber may be annoying but she was also never gonna end up with Mark, right? Elon Musk is an annoyance to South Africans and they don't want him around.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 Regardless of how annoying people may find Amber, she was written to be disposable. And I think Seth didn't realize how much vitriol her character would receive. Eve and Mark are drawn together by how shitty people treat them, right? Their trauma from their parents and exes.

[@ghoost4308]

I’ve read the comics.. And you will

[@ProsperoCh]

My jaw dropped when Mark and Amber reunited in the last episode and Amber said 'I guess we both got lied to.' Because her getting her ego bruised is the exact same thing as Mark learning his dad is a genocidal alien conqueror, who beat him into a bloody pulp.

[@suzygirl1843]

White men do not know how to write black female characters

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

And used him to murder a shitload of people, don't forget that.

[@freddymcshreddy6586]

Even after Mark just had his whole entire world flipped upside down, found out his father the man he looked up to so much is a genocidal killer then got his FACE smashed into a pile of goop by said father… She still manages to somewhat make it about her.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@freddymcshreddy6586 Modern Millennial girls, dude. Haven't you seen them? Rachel Ziegler, Jenna Ortega have no filter and they pretty much grew up on social media and having opinions and centering their experience. Where have you been?

[@sergeantzack1106]

​@@suzygirl1843not the same thing were have you been

[@dzigayu4944]

The "girl gets mad because superhero boyfriend didn't tell her his secret identity" trope has quickly become one I particularly despise, it almost kills my enjoyment of a show single handedly because the drama always feels extremely forced and one or both parties just act incredibly petty and stupid.

[@polocatfan]

yeah they did this in the pretty good before superman show and it just ruined the entire show. I refuse to watch it now. I don't care if she "redeems" herself, nobody deserves redemption for that.

[@viderevero1338]

​@polocatfan I swear bro it's not that bad in the Lois one. Give it a chance.

[@FrenulemEnjoyer]

Ive almost never seen what Invincible does before. I think it is way more interesting than “turns out my shitty boyfriend is really special so i guess ill just forget that were in a terrible relationship and live like this”. Being a shitty partner doesnt go away when you tell the gf that you have powers. Its waaaay better than “you lied!”. Which is in every movie ever.

[@andrewmitchell7672]

@@polocatfanI feel like the Superman show did it good for once. Lois is a reporter who didn’t really care about anything except getting the main scoop, the big story. The show established she had those flaws back in the first episode, and even added more depth to them as the show progressed. Exposing Superman was her chance to finally prove herself to the Daily Bugle and her father, her one shot to success. She was selfish and greedy, and she realizes that literally in the next episode when Clark actually shows how selfless he is. Infact, Jimmy knew too, he knew for years. Literally every character had some sort of development, and their relationship grew stronger as a whole. Clark learned to be more honest with his friends, Lois learned that she shouldn’t be so selfish, and Jimmy learned that sometimes things don’t always go his way. And as a whole, each character learned that they should communicate more with eachother when it comes to their feelings.

[@Chronoflation]

As the hero, yeah, they can't let the woman just die, but, seriously, these types of toxic women are not worth dating at all. I'm amazed that heroes, especially superman, who are supposed to be paragons of virtue or at least on the path of enlightenment and symbols to aspire to are continuously written as such immature simps these days. I mean, the women are just written to be awful people and the heroes just bend over for them continuously. Neither are aspirational at all. Superheroes are literally designed to be an allegory for the best a man can be and aspire for and having then go for these awful women over and over again does nothing to show the best of a man to where they are super. And it just makes every woman who enjoys the stuff feel like no matter how bitchy they are they still deserve whatever man they want. Horrible lessons for relationships. I know they're somewhat meant to be toxic to show the difficulty of being a hero and how they have to sacrifice healthy relationships, but my God it's awful and not delivering that message when it's a toxic relationship the whole way through and the women are the ones making it such shit purposefully

[@wader2430]

"annoying characters are worse than villains" is so fucking real dude

[@_OpFor]

When I read this I think of Skyler from Breaking Bad..

[@David6_cc]

Fr​@@_OpFor

[@Door227]

Sometimes genocidal war maniacs are more likable than a bitchy toxic partner

[@woods2424]

yeah cus villains dont appear in every episode, the main characters best friend is in pretty much every single one

[@drakZes]

They made the character black and then the most hated character is pretty wild. I am no SJW, but what were they up to?

[@VioletAeonSnowfield]

Eve insisting Amber was in the right is particularly offensive because SHE was the one that told Mark that revealing his identity to Amber was a massive risk.

[@RobinMcBeth]

What do you expect? Accountability from WOMEN?!

[@zxylo786]

​@@RobinMcBeth☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️

[@kaj7135]

Well Eve is white and Amber is black… saying blacks people are wrong about anything nowadays is “racist” because reasons.

[@corsojames]

​@@kaj7135 tell me you live on the internet without telling me you live on the internet. Nobody cares about race, except you, it's just bad writing

[@sir_will_iam]

​@@kaj7135I mean bloody hell, if you had to see any of the hate comments videos like this one get for calling Amber out.😂

[@zacariasnelson5753]

It is *CRAZY* how much one line of dialogue changes a somewhat sympathetic character to a gaslighting ego maniac. All because she knew for weeks, and the show never called her out on it

[@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927]

I think it's because despite the "girlboss strong woman who don't need no man" archetype... they never wrote her as an actual character, but as a means to an end for Mark. In this case, they wanted Mark to hit rock bottom by the end of the show. So... first he loses his GF, then he is mentally berated by his friends, then he is beaten into a pulp, then he loses his dad. If he was good with Amber by the end of the series, the rock bottom wouldn't have been as bottomy. If he was surrounded by a loving gf and supportive friends, then that final point, where he said "you dad, I'd have you" would have lost a little bit of its umf. Ironically, despite everything they did to make her a complex character, they did exactly the opposite by reducing her to a plot point for Mark.

[@zacariasnelson5753]

@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927 but she came back to him the next day…

[@GarkKahn]

​@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927still they could break up because she didn't wanted to be bothering him taking time from him when he could be out there saving people instead or some random thing that made them break up (at least for a while), but nope

[@IceDragonD03]

You know I wish they would do something to at least redeem his friends like it turns out he didn't tell them that amber knew for weeks as an oversight or something

[@kaj7135]

Typical black woman tbh.

[@acycle2124]

I watched this series with my dad and what killed me was that every time Amber did something irrational or selfish, my dad would say: "of course she did that, she's a woman" The writers tried to challenge stereotypes so much that they made a negative stereotype the character

[@connorsousa7448]

common dad w

[@RhinoHorn7]

​@ndunsimbi7901you gotta respect the dad

[@Alex-ui8xp]

My black fiance hated amber. She raged against her. Who are they writing these characters for?

[@longiusaescius2537]

W

[@ScienceMan314]

@@connorsousa7448 Common incel L

[@travisKlappe]

Season 2 is such a drastic departure, the writers trying so bad to fix the mistake instead of just cutting it off so we gotta go through 7 episodes of Mark not being there and her being absurdly understanding out of nowhere

[@bigpete2473]

For real man, felt super unnatural. You can't just fix a character that way, should've just made them break up honestly

[@walmanthegreat]

You guys in the comments are such haters that the actual concept of growth and character development makes people bad writers lmao

[@travisKlappe]

@@walmanthegreat Except there's no actual development occurring...growth without development is bad writing

[@dittmar104]

She’s not though, she’s just burying her emotions now but she’s too afraid of how breaking up with a superhero because he saves people too often makes you look. She loves the ideals mark has but not the reality of acting on them. He’s everything she wants to be, a person who literally makes the world a better place on a daily basis. She doesn’t realise that’s she’s building resentment for exactly the lifestyle she’s learning to do. Politicians (the hardworking ones) have mediocre family lives because there is always another phone call or meeting or piece of legislation to review and amend. They’re too much the same person, mark was a kid with a hero complex who when came into power was faced with corruptive thought and motivation. Amber will face the same factors when she actually gets into politics for work. But I don’t think she has the temperament to accept that she could be corruptible.

[@walmanthegreat]

@@travisKlappe they’re literally the same thing lmao 😂 you just hate shawty and no amount of change will fix that

[@Vesdus]

When Amber is finally revealed to be a horrible person - I'm okay with it. It isn't that much of a shock to me. Awful people like her actually exist. When Mark goes to Atom Eve to seek support about his abusive girlfriend, and Eve tells Mark that HE WAS WRONG. That's when I knew the writers were actually trying to shove Amber's toxic motives down our throats. Disgusting.

[@NameIsDoc]

Thing is amber in the comics and amber in the cartoon are vastly different. When Amber in the comics figures out mark is invincible she initially thinks he is a cowardly drug dealer until it clicks and she asks him straight up. When Mark admits it and tells her she comforts him. However the secrecy, risk and drama becomes too much and they sadly break up as Amber falls out of love with Mark. Even then later on Mark still will come to her call whenever she needs a friend/protector and confides with him when her relationship with another person turns abusive. In the comics when Eve is telling Mark he was wrong, it is because they had a fight about how mark "abondons" her during an attack (to change into invincible) and how she is THE ONLY PERSON in his in group where to not know his secret. Outside of the superficial changes to amber most of the cartoon follows the comics word for word.

[@zashgekido5616]

I can kind of see it to be honest; Mark's the only one who knows about the conversation in her bedroom and when you take that part out of it, she was at least right to be upset. The scenario looked AWFUL from that perspective, from multiple angles.. Then she pulls that card out of her ass from pure spite and condescension, and now Mark looks like an ass to everyone who knows them while she gets off scott free. Goddamn I hate this version of Amber.

[@immikeurnot]

I knew Amber was trash when Mark's gay friend was telling him what kind of books she liked to read. The stuff she was into were all huge red flags.

[@zashgekido5616]

@@RedTail1-1 Did you.. Did you watch that scene? My brother in christ we're mad because she "Knew the whole time." Which means she was either A. Lying to protect her ego in the moment and felt the need to kick Mark in the dick in the process Or B. She gaslit the FUCK out of him during that college trip, possibly even well before, because she lied to his face saying the problem was she didn't know where he was when he couldn't keep an appointment to save his life. Mark's no saint, but Amber comes to the playing field with actual malicious intent here.

[@Vesdus]

@@RedTail1-1 Holy shit, an Amber defender! I didn't think they actually existed.

[@KrSaPoww]

The worst thing about Amber is how the writers pushed her as a perfect being through the words of other characters, when she is straight up abusive

[@tyjuanbowman1536]

How is Amber abusive? That don't even make sense.

[@localonionseller8556]

@@tyjuanbowman1536 yooooooooooo we found one of the 2 people defending her yippeeeee but i'm gonna be mean and not explain to you why she is abusive, there are a lot of videos and threads explaining it in great detail, so look them up yourself

[@calemr]

​@@tyjuanbowman1536She is manipulative, controlling, selfish, gaslights Mark into thinking he's in the wrong, twists things to be about her ("I guess we both got lied to", like Mark not Immediately divulging his secret identity is even close to Mark almost being murdered by his own father)... She pretty thoroughly textbook on emotionally abusive behavior.

[@calemr]

@@tyjuanbowman1536 So, I'm assuming you just said the word projection because "It that word what say you wrong", but as someone who actually knows what that means... Do you think I've dated a superhero? Because I haven't. It's literally impossible for me to have the frame of reference from which to project from, you ignorant trollop. Also, I'm pretty sure she did do the thing where I Literally Quoted Her From The Show. If anyone wants to talk projection, I'm just gonna say this to anyone else: Do not be in a relationship with anyone who thinks Amber's actions are acceptable. There's only one reason why, and while you may want to give sympathy to someone with such personality disorders, you don't want such people in your life.

[@kaj7135]

@@tyjuanbowman1536Brain dead comment, but ok.

[@adrian_veidt]

Amber cared for Mark in the comic. She noticed Mark acting strange. So she thought that because his family lost Nolan, he resorted to dealing drugs. So she wanted an intervention on him. Sure, she hated mark when he "abandoned" them during the attack in the campus. But was proud when she learned his secret. Cartoon amber on the other hand mentally tortured mark for hiding she already know his secret.

[@Morten_Storvik]

That is nothing but Mark`s fault.

[@AbdullahKhan-el6xw]

@@Morten_Storvikguys dont bother responding to this person. They obviously trolling or are stupid

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@Morten_Storvikhow

[@EldestZelot]

​@@Morten_StorvikLow quality bait.

[@TheFMHatter1986]

So why did they change it from the comics to the tv series?

[@pacoramon9468]

Mark has better chemistry with Eve anyways.

[@guardian_ironworks]

And eve is a LOT better at not dying.

[@HighTierHuman-o2y]

@@guardian_ironworksAnd a lot more attractive + has real hair + will be a good mom that doesn’t seperate mark from his child and make him pay for child support

[@EliTheElite1876]

Fax

[@metfofo9190]

@@HighTierHuman-o2ylol ok so you just hate amber because your racist lol bro it a cartoon character relax

[@HighTierHuman-o2y]

@@metfofo9190 I’m not racist I have a Mexican friend and have a black teacher that I get along with

[@willyhoo2946]

"You made me feel unimportant!" "That's because you are!" Absolutely this. By wanting Mark to prioritize her over SAVING LIVES, it implies she thinks her satisfaction and ego is worth more than the lives of innocent people.

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

It's a classic trait of narcissism.

[@Darksky1001able]

He said "BITCH cuz you are!"

[@1001011011010]

I think the thing that made her feel unimportant was the fact he was keeping such a huge secret from her, as opposed to telling her.

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@1001011011010 because revealing his identity could put her in danger. Glad we sorted this out lolol

[@1001011011010]

@@AllThingsEntertaining yeah obviously Mark had his own reasons But I guess Amber probably thought they had been close enough to be more open about the truth by this point

[@AegisAuras]

Amber knew mark was risking his life to save people. She knew he was getting hurt because of it. She knew he was protecting his loved ones, including her, by keeping his identity a secret. She knew he was damaging his social life and image as mark to do these things. Despite all this, she refused to be empathetic or appreciative, instead fixating on the idea that SHE was the victim and was the one getting hurt despite mark’s situation being multiple times more difficult than hers. She then dumps mark during the most difficult period of his entire life, the time he needed her emotional support the most. Amber is a literal narcissistic sociopath.

[@localonionseller8556]

and then we have a handful of people defending her with "mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her because he's a superhero" what a joke

[@calemr]

​@@localonionseller8556Mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her 'cause No-One should.

[@trayyoutube]

lol but it’s beyond realistic

[@moonhunter982]

She doesn’t want a relationship where mark is always late and not there

[@calemr]

@@moonhunter982 Yes, that is her *Motive* for her utterly reprehensible actions.

[@keyblademasterct2]

What's worse is that they made Eve of all people side with her when, given what we know of her character, she clearly would have sided with Mark in that situation. I can only guess that Mark phrased the story in a way that made Amber look better by comparison?

[@rjai5003]

That’s what I was thinking. She was literally the one who warned him to be careful about telling people his identity

[@loiiysailor1177]

Amber is going be the downfall of this show am surprised she isn't the main character at this point

[@Depressso-Espresso]

Actually in the comics, Eve was the one who gave Mark the idea, that he's relationship with Amber won't workup because she is not a superhero and never truly understand what people like Mark and Eve goes through on daily basis.

[@unkown981]

@@Depressso-Espressobut now in the show amber knows about marks hero life so I wonder how they will break up at this point? Either 1 of them cheats or she dies because they managed to comeback from the lowest of lows only the extremes can break this relationship

[@Depressso-Espresso]

@@unkown981 I think it's gonna be pretty toxic. But at this point, Amber become the embodiment of toxicity. But in the comics they have really healthy breakup.

[@GREATPRINAM]

Iris: "You're not the Flash, Barry. We are." Amber somehow made Iris look good. God damn!

[@rabsuper4]

DAMMNN THATS CRAZY

[@slipstream8839]

DUUUUDE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[@rb4632]

Can't believe they made a character WORSE than iris 😭

[@BretBeall-k5t]

@@rb4632 they didn't Iris IS the worse period

[@rb4632]

@@BretBeall-k5t truth

[@ronb2008]

Why Mark is dating Amber when Atom Eve is standing right fucking there is beyond belief to me.

[@c_2519]

Soon he'll go to eve

[@Zyllo5164]

Idk why but for some reason they race swapped Amber and changed her personality in the show. Comics Amber isn't as insufferable as show Amber.

[@recordedsmh5646]

Ambers better

[@thepyro7845]

He does

[@paladinboyd1228]

Hell Allen the alien would be a better choice than Amber.

[@MandatoryFruit]

The worst part is that in the comics, when Amber found out he was Invincible, SHE WAS COOL WITH IT. She had her suspicions, but until they were confirmed she was rightfully still mad. Then Mark told her, and that pretty much automatically redeemed him. AS IT SHOULD HAVE. I don't know why they decided to write her this way when the character in the comics was perfectly fine.

[@rojaedavis8367]

Ikr! This guy is risking life, blood, and and limbs in order to protect everyone's livelihood. Hell, he almost got killed several times for it. And not only did she know all this time...... but she's giving him shit for it. Because, what, he didn't prioritize going to the soup kitchen with her when people are in danger? Like does she honestly believe feeding homeless people is more important than saving people from super-powered lunatics? Like bitch, are you for real? Honestly, if I was Mark I would thank God that she dumped me because clearly something's wrong with her tiny world.

[@legalza0843]

I find it kinda crazy they race swapped her while simultaneously making her a worse character 💀

[@editornoob4606]

​@@legalza0843mad fishy

[@rileygoodwin1993]

they changed it for a trash twist.

[@helixsol7171]

She didn't suspect he was Invincible AT ALL, she suspected he was dealing drugs lmao

[@godnyx117]

"Annoying characters are worse than Villains" Ho ho ho, boy! You do get it my man! In fact, Villains are made to be evil and bad. But characters that are made to be good but are trash are in another league of hatred...

[@Retrospector04backup]

Totally agree with there

[@superbrainz2357]

An over the top villain can actually be a delight to watch but an annoying character just makes you want to put down the series for a while.

[@herloss448]

except high revolutionary who is just level 1000 evil

[@godnyx117]

@@superbrainz2357 If anything, good written villains and anti-heroes are as enjoyable to watch (if not more) than the heroes. Just watch in the Naruto Shippuden fanbase and you'll see what I'm talking about!

[@Takejiro24]

There's a whole "trope" about this called Jerks are Worse than Villains". Really insightful read on TVTropes.

[@AlexMagnusTheLoneGamerWanderer]

meanwhile... the Amber of another reality: *"yeah, Mark is dead and the viltrumites conquered our planet but MY SOUP!"*

[@JackLeblanc-ec6bt]

but amber from the comic is really nice she was happy he is not a drug dealer and she understand saving the world and super-hero thing is more important than her mark is the @sshole in the comic mark kissed eve while he was still with Amber from the comic

[@danielrafferty4108]

@@JackLeblanc-ec6bt That literally makes more sense for an arc. I wonder why they changed it so much. I was a bit weirded out because I thought they were going for the toxic girlfriend angle until all of Mark's friends started dogpiling him on the subject. It was so off-putting that nobody in universe could empathize with Mark. The most recent season with the breakup made sense, and I wish they'd played more on that from the beginning. That, superheroes can't risk endangering the ones they love(But amped up to eleven with the viltrumites), but it just felt so hollow after everything else.

[@neilstone4529]

​@@danielrafferty4108 they wanted amber to be a girl boos and not take shit from any man.

[@orgixvi3]

I'd be absolutely delighted if, in season 2, everyone who defended Amber realized they were missing context and that she was completely in the wrong.

[@facE055]

nobody who defended amber will every admit they're wrong about anything.

[@orgixvi3]

@@facE055 The fans? Probably not. In the series, however, I think there's still time to pivot and undo that damage. After all, I don't think it was stated that Mark told the others that Amber knew his secret for weeks.

[@phabiorules]

@@orgixvi3Yeah, I’m really hoping we get a scene where Mark’s mom calls amber out on her shit.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

@@orgixvi3 I dont think the writers even realized that context isn't present. They just think it's all justified.

[@orgixvi3]

@@phabiorules Based Debbie

[@wozzord101]

I’m not as bothered by Amber’s character as I am about how everyone takes her side and seems to think Mark is always in the wrong

[@Solarstormflare]

i don't think Mark is in the wrong EXCEPT for the ending of s1. His glib lets go back to highschool attitude made me not like him as a character

[@somethinssketchy2117]

@@Solarstormflare what do you expect him to do bruh. His father was revealed as a genocidal maniac and now he just wants to live a normal life for a little bit without worrying about being a superhero

[@coltoncowan682]

​@Solarstormflare oh the teen suddenly becoming a superhero, and then suddenly gettinf beat near to deatg by superman who is also his dad on top of needing to save the world doesnt want to deal with the preassure anymore and quits? Ive heard teens give up jobs for a lot less stress

[@Lordmewtwo151]

Makes sense. The mere existence of a character like Amber isn't a bad thing in and of itself (tropes like Hate Sink and Deliberately Bad Example exist for a reason). The problem is the show portraying her as in the right.

[@1twasmeBarry]

@@Solarstormflare my boy was given 17 years of the ass spankings in one day hell if that was me id be glad to go back to school and shit

[@flybydeath]

I think what really makes characters like Amber extra hard for audiences to stomach is when the writers try to gaslight the audience into thinking Amber is right by making a bunch of side characters agree with her. That is an aspect that Mary Sues also share that just gets under your skin. News flash Amber is awful and no matter how much Potpourri the writers try to put on that turd it is not going to make me think it is a flower.

[@michaelmurphy3976]

Sansa Stark was a great example of this, it doesn’t matter if she does dumb shit over and over again, we’ll just have Arya tell the audience how smart she is

[@curtismaize]

@@michaelmurphy3976 Every woman in got was like that.

[@booshyee7646]

She’s only awful bc they changed her character from the comics by making her a jerk and changing her to black for diversity.

[@avaluggglazer445]

​@@booshyee7646It has nothing bro do with her being black, it's just because they changed her personality

[@knightsblight]

​@@booshyee7646had something till the second part 😐

[@SundownerMGRR]

"ain't nobody care about no soup kitchen" is such a funny line out of context

[@margarethmichelina5146]

That's also my reaction when I see how pissed off Amber is over Mark not attending that pointless soup kitchen while he got his ass beaten by Battle Beast.

[@bonnie_158]

I just wanna know why no one else on the team pointed out that making Amber know and having her act like such a bitch was a bad idea.

[@eliseolara5055]

i think it wasnt necesarily a bad move to have annoying characters, but having every other person agree with her is where they went wrong. simply frustrating to watch.

[@qwefg3]

Made worse because it was an active decision since in the comics she was a lot more reasonable and didn't know thus making her complaints reasonable.

[@COMMANDR.0ID]

@@qwefg3 The main writer from the comics, Rob Kirkman also wrote for the show, so the decision def went by him. But it's more likely the writers didn't want this at all and they were forced to by whoever pays them.

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

​@@COMMANDR.0ID definitely forced...thats the ONLY reasonable explanation

[@OverLorD768]

@@COMMANDR.0ID and I wouldn't be surprised if this was his idea, since Kirkman turned full woke in resent years, and haven't wrote anything good for a while now (with The Walking Dead turning into crap after All Out War).

[@BouncingTribbles]

The reveal that she knew he was Invincible was so confusing to me. She was literally crying because he "disappeared", but she knew he WAS RIGHT THERE!!! I've never felt so gaslit by a show

[@Alex-hj2jd]

Exactly

[@Bloodfencer1990]

You forgot to mention that Amber only started making moves on Mark AFTER she saw him talking to Eve.

[@QuickTwilson]

TOXIC 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@jarnegi]

Oh and Amber blackmailing someone to pass on some digits ain't a W. That's a red flag

[@MiMiwiwi10]

woman moments

[@abdullahirfan9991]

​@@MiMiwiwi10 ☕

[@SteveSegovia]

Well he cheats on her with Eve in the comics, so it's not out of nowhere

[@WDufficy20]

As of the moment I watched this video, Battle Beast no longer exists. There is only Intergalactic Mufasa.

[@johnmandrage3248]

You know what the worst part of their relationship is that this video didn't mention? She didn't get interested in him after he defended her, she got interested in him after she saw him leave school together with Eve and after she heard that there had been a second confrontation with the bully character that he won. The moment Mark had the attention of another women and got a power buff she made her move.

[@Chronoflation]

That seems like a pretty stereotypical female thing. There are actually anthropological studies into how women tend to pick men other women are with because women trust other women and not guys, so if another woman is with a guy, that guy is basically pre-vetted to be safe to pursue. It's apparently a risk aversion tactic. This is why, historically, twice as many women have had kids compared to men. Same reason the "bad boy" stereotype exists, it's more of the appeal of someone whose in control of their own life attracting women, regardless of if they're making good or bad decisions, they're making their own decisions and that gets positive attention from women. Decision making = leader = protection = wet panties (not literally.... at least not usually literally 🤣) I'm not saying it isn't toxic, and it definitely is a sign he shouldn't be with her, but it's probably the most understandably toxic thing she could do and is just a sign that he should be cautious. Cause the second he stops being tough and manly and other girls aren't paying attention to him anymore, her affection will likely go bye-bye

[@Roeclean]

Wild

[@danzansandeev6033]

Isn’t that pretty realistic? Women do get attracted to “taken” men

[@johnmandrage3248]

@@danzansandeev6033 Oh I'm not arguing against it being realistic, but what I'm saying is that it's a red flag, especially in combination with her holier than though attitude.

[@nUmBskulLL]

Smells like incels

[@diegoandrade467]

Best part is that this wouldn’t be a problem if she didn’t know. Her knowing and still being mad at mark makes her appear significantly worse.

[@silksongoutyet]

yeah if it was at least like a "I can't handle being in a relationship with a superhero I'm sorry bye" thing then it would've been fine

[@bibigamer502]

@@silksongoutyetthat’s sounds a lot more reasonable then what we ended up getting

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@silksongoutyet That's what it is during season 2

[@tuorofgondolin8235]

Dude. Check it out. Amber didn't start eying our man Mark *until* she saw him chatting up Eve. Go watch Mark and Eve talking outside the front of the school, and you'll see The Harpy there looking at them being together. *Then* she started showing interest in Mark. And you already got the whole "Mark looks completely emotionally devastated. Time for me to make an appearance! I can reestablish proper dominance in the relationship!" thing. Yeah, man. That girl is super-toxic. Please, Eve. Save Mark! Do it soon!

[@normalabsolutely7240]

Oh shit that's crazy

[@teamtx1578]

Also, when she went back to Mark after the fight with Omni-Man, she said "looks like I wasn't the only one being lied to" as if Mark keeping his identity a secret to keep his loved ones (including Amber) safe is even remotely comparable to Nolan secretly being a genocidal monster who killed many innocent people and nearly beat his own son to death. Honestly, if Mark gave her a full Viltrumite back hand b slap, I'd be congratulating the guy.

[@staticshockaa7222]

You need two girls to get 1. This show captures it perfectly

[@noodle_tax]

huh? Didnt she already give mark her number before that?

[@MFenix206]

@@noodle_tax No. Will even offered to give her Mark's number after she started interrogating him about Mark and Eve spending time together. Instead she blackmailed Todd into giving Mark *her* number in a "strong independant woman" power move.

[@HeluvaWeirdo]

“Amber: BECAUSE YOU LIED TO MEEE” *I will burn this planet down*

[@kyla.s5838]

Given Mark's age, I HIGHLY doubt any teenage boy would put up with Amber's bullshit for any length of time. Especially one who just found out they have powers which would fuel their own ego. She'd be kicked to the curb and replaced with Eve before you could say 'see ya, narcissist."

[@Morten_Storvik]

It`s hardly narcissistic to want your boyfriend to be honest about an identity that can put you in harms way. She has a right to be able to concent or not to such a relationship. 🤷‍♂

[@TJ-bk9vf]

Granted we’ve only got 2 episodes to go off of for season 2 so far, but it seems like they really tried to make her less hatable this season. I’m fine with it, but it’s kind of odd. It’s hard to call it character development. She is just suddenly tolerable.

[@keankolodziejski1605]

What the dog doin

[@gilbertgarcia8683]

That's actually a really good point. Don't get me wrong, it's not a big ask to not turn into a giant jerk, but Mark truly did not ever get selfish or self inflated. His struggles came entirely from him trying to hold to his responsibilities and keep everyone happy. A teenager getting super powers and still bending over backwards for a new girlfriend that probably didn't appreciate the stress he was under enough, is pretty wild.

[@Morten_Storvik]

@@gilbertgarcia8683 Treating your girlfriends ability to be able to consent to a potentially dangerous relationship as a mere suggestion is in fact extremely selfish.

[@MrRking.]

When Mark came out as Invincible, Amber became such an asshole as the show went on. It’s the fact she cared more about them spending time together rather than him saving the fucking world

[@Sinusoid-]

That right there is what proved Amber to be a beatch.. it’s one thing for her to be angry at mark while not knowing, and another to actually know the entire time and not be worried.. just like his other friend who thought he had nothing to complain about because he was super powered

[@Awkhalil_7]

she also only decided to get back with him only because omni man almost murdered his ass. the bitch was like "oh no he almost dead, looks like i have to go out with him and make him feel as if i am worth something when i aint"

[@RNRED10]

Mark:I STOP 911 2.0 FROM- Amber:U MISSeD tHE Soup ShOp

[@christianboi7690]

I always saw it as her saying earlier in the relationship that she’s been with well intentioned men who could t spare time for her and she doesn’t want to have a relationship like that. He’s late or doesn’t show up to anything she sets for them and even if it’s justified she already said she didn’t want a relationship like that. I didn’t really see it as an issue, but I do see that she was too vindictive and harsh about the whole thing.

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

It especially hurts because Amber was initially established as a good person who went out of her way to help the less fortunate. Which makes it feel completely out of left field when she suddenly is revealed to know Mark's secret and not only doesn't care that he's protecting the entire solar system, but is mad that he didn't tell her his most intimate secret so he could save lives. She should be stoked that he's doing good.

[@Thanatos2996]

Given her personality, she didn’t start to admire Mark when he got beat up, she saw him as an easy target.

[@rugedas87]

To be honest, she did it twice. The woman loves the misery of the boy -.-

[@ShinYoshao01]

I think the writers made her out to be a narcissist.

[@Thanatos2996]

@@ShinYoshao01 they certainly wrote her as one, but I don't think they realized that her narcissism is a bad thing. The show frames her as being perfect even though she's awful.

[@ShinYoshao01]

@@Thanatos2996 I wonder why that is. Maybe the writers are inserting some of themselves into... Oh crap. They are narcissistic too. Jeeeeeez man.

[@LKYHGaming]

The moment she doesn’t accept Mark after he reveals that he’s Invincible and makes such a big fuss over it was the moment it clicked for me that Mark really should dump her.

[@traxathon4464]

Lois is a 3-dimensional character with trust issues as a result of her relationship with her dad, which presents as realistic flaws she needs to work through. Amber isn't presented as a flawed person. The show wants you to thinks she's perfect, which only makes her obvious flaws that much harder to stomach.

[@athelstaneofconingsburgh]

Lois Griffin does go hard

[@DemonicRemption]

@traxathon4464 I'd argue that the writers tried to make Lois three dimensional, but the execution is sloppy... My guess is it was due to poor communication between the writers.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@DemonicRemption honestly, the fact this show managed to live with WB bs and managed to do what Invincible tried way better is testament of itself.

[@purkle200]

She projected her issues onto Clark and Jimmy proved to be more mature and understanding because he knew it wasn't his secret to tell. Lois while better than Amber still acted like a self-entitled dweeb and if she wasn't close to Clark she very well might've revealed his identity thus putting his parents, himself, and his best friend Jimmy. and everyone else he's close to in constant danger. ( *SPOILER* Lois's father in the new show seems to be after Clark )

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@purkle200 and show actually examines that. Whole later half of the series is pretty much shows how her paranoia can back fire and challenges her ability to have trust in Clark and last two episodes she does just that.

[@jjohnsonnccc]

Mark: “I’m sorry I couldn’t make it, I was saving the world from a threat that every nuke in the world wouldn’t have stood a chance against” Amber: “and you think that excuses you from missing my moms birthday?”

[@concept5631]

Everyone: *_"Yes."_*

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@concept5631My response would be, "unless you want what's left of your mother to be shadow on the pavement, then I'd say yeah."

[@concept5631]

@@AllThingsEntertaining wtf dude

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@concept5631 I mean, it paints a real picture for them. I attend your mom's birthday, but everyone is now dead.

[@killmonger5097]

Maybe Mark should’ve started with that from the beginning he really was a shitty boyfriend who kept lying

[@Imrealboii60]

7:22 “left to get milk on another planet”cracked me up 😂😂

[@NameName2.0]

Milked is what i heard.

[@sixten7920]

I was actually more bothered at Mark continually taking Amber back at all, much less while also ignoring Eve as a love interest. That alone nearly justified his dad slapping him around.

[@mazukisclan]

I dont blame him, afterall that is the first time he got a girlfriend ever, pretty sure his still learning them ropes on the whole relationship thing

[@heidihlm4707]

They broke up later pretry sure and finally he get with eve

[@MrHeavy466]

The multiple near death beatings probably rattled his brain a bit.

[@bezerkeyturkey8847]

It's a teenager thing

[@MrNote-lz7lh]

Lol. You must have never loved anybody in your entire life to say that. When you catch feelings for someone you don't want anyone else. You just want them.

[@kylereynhart]

They’ve tried to make her nicer and more likeable in season 2. I still don’t like her though, the writers are really trying to force you to like her

[@luismolina9557]

All of that for nothing because at the end Mark will end up with Eve

[@oggrim2824]

Apparently, in season 2, she's closer to how she was in the comics. And tbh, she's way more likeable now... but too late. The damage is done. She's more or less been redeemed, good for her, but Mark is my boy. Get her away from my boy. She can go be redeemed with somebody else. I believe in 2nd chances, sometimes more... but only if the person can own up to the screw up. She never did. Writers acting like she wasnt behaving the way she was behaving, but I didn't forget and I'm not going to pretend like it didn't happen. Get my boy away from that "personality changes with the flip of a switch" harpy.

[@elliottgaal9774]

@@oggrim2824 Modern western writers assume their viewers have the attention span of fish. Which if they did any basic human relation dynamics research, we don't.

[@flowerbloom5782]

The way they changed her rather than her having a character arc gave me whiplash.

[@yeng1855]

​@oggrim2824 Fr, it feels fake asf. And whoever is writing her character does not have good relationship advice. 😂

[@cstmex4937]

The other thing that makes me so mad about Amber is that the writers want you to think that she is this amazing person, this kind and selfless person who only cares about others, but no one seems to point out that she is extremely verbally abusive to mark. Healthy relationships don’t consist of one partner constantly cursing out the other, constantly calling them an idiot or an a-hole. She doesn’t show any respect to mark and treats horribly. And then every character in the show just acts like mark is this huge jerk and they side with her🤦🏽‍♂️

[@3n3j0t4]

the entire show is pretty dogshit apart from Omniman

[@loopygordo]

Its weird because atleast she's a character with a personality in the show. Her comic counterpart was a bland stepping stone to eve.

[@rushi5638]

@@Sciuridae Big agree, but also this is why I don't do charity so I'm kinda obligated to agree. I don't trust myself to not use it as a mask, or leverage, if push came to shove. I don't know if that makes me a decent person or just a self-aware selfish piece of shit, but whatever.

[@DiegoGarcia-se4on]

@@rushi5638 Never heard of someone afraid of doing charity for moral reasons before, this is hilarious

[@choppydell]

Be real, if it was the other way around, ya'll would be in your feelings because if she can lie to you about that, what else is she lying about. The moment they got serious, you gotta tell your partner about it. Think about it, the college incident, the soup kitchen, all avoided. "She'd be like go get 'em 🐯 ". Also, THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF NOLAN AND DEBBIE. Man how ya'll miss that. Debbie was trying to figure Nolan shit but ya'll dont slam on her

[@Beastbro28]

"I don't go around telling people I have a birthmark on my right ass cheek because that would be embarrassing". Is so damn funny.

[@BloxxingBoom]

SPOILER: Bro honestly mark and eve need to get together in season 2, just like in the comics. There, I put the spoiler, stop bothering me about it.

[@hardondong3550]

They most likely will

[@rusty7984]

Maybe that’s why they made Amber an insufferable bitch

[@elongatedsedation324]

​@@hardondong3550Thank the heavens.

[@sirhundo5976]

God i hope

[@bad_life_advice]

I honestly don't think they will. Because if Mark left a black woman for a white one, people are gonna cry racism.

[@FiftyStates5]

They changed literally every aspect of Amber. From how she looks, how she acts, how she talks. They made her absolutely horrible

[@PUMPKIN-MAN2491]

Yeah comics had it better

[@UrielFlame]

Comic Amber is the polar opposite and is almost as garbage as the show counterpart. The only thing that saves her is that she doesn’t blame Mark but her character is so nonexistent and exists only as a plot device, she’s garbage too.

[@ge3346]

All By Design.

[@jethead5785]

​@CHESS-MAN2491 one of the rare thing the comic did better tbh the comic sucks

[@ludvig3242]

She's fine, you're overreacting.

[@xxSandt21xx]

One of Amber’s lines in Season 2 is “don’t ever apologize for saving lives, Mark! The writers realized how bad they fucked up 😂😂😂

[@royalobasi1938]

Fr

[@jmd9402]

when I heard mark say "you're way too good for me" I though to myself, "you said that backwards man"

[@mutantraze3681]

They really didnt want to admit their mistakes on Amber and just ignores what she said in S1

[@mauriciomongoy2025]

Well, sorry, but it's already too late for that.

[@Killgore-ip2yq]

They definitely were trying to write Amber subversive of love interests in superhero media, but they totally screw up by framing it this way. If Amber knew than she should have told Mark, that would have been subversive and kind of empowerming because it takes away the notion of it being a thing about him when the reveal could make it clear it's about both of them.

[@henchman808]

What hurts Amber the most is the fact that the secret identity specifically exists to protect people like her. If villains know who they hero is, they will attack their loved ones that are vulnerable without powers. Amber being at the same time presented as smart and empathetic but then also not understanding this makes her really unlikable.

[@necasperaterent29386]

It's not the fact that she is revealed to be a horrible person that made me mad when I first watched the show. It's that the show plays it out like I'm supposed to take Amber's side and celebrate her for being such a wonderful "strong female character..." One which I find just despicable from start to finish, tbh. I feel the urge to groan every time she's on screen.

[@damgaronfire]

Yeah I agree, it's fucking terrifying to see how she acts, worse is, I have met people like that ! At least it serves as an exemple on what kind of person you need to avoid

[@broskibrewer2187]

The fact the writing is telling me what to think is exactly why Amber isn't a great character let alone strong. Manipulative and narcissistic yes, but strong no.

[@anthonymahomeboy1277]

Honestly she was justified in her issues with mark. He did lie to her and strung her along in a relationship that he clearly was not ready to juggle with his other life.

[@richardashendale922]

​@@anthonymahomeboy1277He deserves love and relationships regardless of the responsibilities he has been born with. His lie was justified. Her behavior isn't.

[@anthonymahomeboy1277]

@@richardashendale922 no one deserves to be lied to

[@mariokarter13]

The reveal that Jimmy knew the whole time makes him more of a bro. The reveal that Amber knew the whole time makes her even worse.

[@GiovannisDaedra]

That 1 scene nuked her entire character and changed the perspective of her actions. She went from sympathetic because her relationship was deteriorating she didn't know why and couldn't know why. Then she's basically like "I know and can't begin to understand the impossible situation you are in and I don't care because I'm more important"

[@sinwalker_gaming]

As a newbie who just finished season one, i am completely on this boat. I was so damn confused why Amber was getting mad at Mark, and then i was further baffled by Mark’s friend trying to make him feel bad! What a bunch of jackasses!

[@personaverygrata2588]

when you look at amber, deep down you know EXACTLY what kind of person wrote her personality.

[@davebuilds7261]

Yup i this it’s Marxist in nature ngl.

[@youre.right.]

☕️

[@danc5644]

Are you implying the person who wrote her is comparable to the pos that she is? Because most every other character is not written that way, and they only hire so many writers. I think whoever wrote her character knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to portray her the way she was. Knowing what I know about what happens later on, she is a pretty inconsequential character once things get rolling.

[@ijustdocomments6777]

@@danc5644 I think they're implying it's a person similar to the one who wrote "Velma".

[@miks301]

nah pretty sure it was reth sogan

[@Shermann]

I think what people miss about Lois is that she was just insecure because she was getting close to Clark, then found out he had this huge secret. She was worried that their relationship was just a part of his "act" as Clark Kent, and that his feelings for her weren't real. They then go on to reconcile their feelings in the next episode, where Lois realizes how wrong she was to think that way. Very different from Amber.

[@SoupSultan]

Also in the first episode they promise to not have any secrets between them

[@Darth_atrocious]

I love the new Superman show in general and love how Lois is into Clark and not just Superman for once. The whole show is a breath of fresh air

[@lavasharkflowers]

I think what people miss about Lois is that she was wrong to he angry with a man she has only known for some months and who by the way, had every reason and right to not tell her his secret identity when she already threatened to expose it to the world in the first place. And the story didn't even make her realise she was wrong even after Jimmy said he understands why clark didn't tell him. If someone has flaws then they should be called out for it or atleast realise their mistakes. This is the problem with most modern series female characters. They do something stupid but everyone else had to apologize to them. No one in this world is perfect and a good character, flawed or not, should atleast learn a lesson or two from their mistakes or atleast get called out for it.

[@lavasharkflowers]

Also Lois didn't realize how wrong she was at all. She might have been worried about their relationship or whatever but that doesn't give her the right to treat him that way. Clark is genuinely a great guy and it's just sad that after everything he does for people, his love interest treats him that way and doesn't even apologize at all.

[@championboy4782]

​​@@lavasharkflowerssounds like real life to me

[@MrCovi2955]

If she knew he was a superhero, it kind of changes the "where did you go, I needed you" complaint from "you left me alone, I could have died. I'm just lucky some stranger superhero showed up to save the day" into "You seriously thought that saving everyone was more important than being my personal bodyguard? Yes, you technically saved me too, but you didn't do it while standing right next to me." That is Villainous with a capital V.

[@JaimeWarlock]

Yea, it would have worked out so much better if instead she started just going on and on about how wonderful "Invincible" was while looking at him adoringly. That would have been funny as a recurrent theme.

[@mau_jr]

@@JaimeWarlock funnier than this only if the show didnt try to portrait her as right, it would be hilarious

[@damonirvine8910]

@@JaimeWarlockyou have a great talent of completely ignoring what someone said. God, your future partners are gonna LOVE that.

[@FreshZCORD]

yeah a bit accidentally sociopathic

[@JaimeWarlock]

@@damonirvine8910 Maybe it is my autism, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Btw, my partner loves me. Her English is terrible, my Swahili is terrible, but we are very patient in trying to understand each, so it works out.

[@LadiIluyomade-pf6qe]

“Intergalactic Mufasa” had me rolling😂😂😂

[@segevstormlord3713]

7:30 - Mark doesn't slam the door in her face because, as you noted earlier, _he is in a vulnerable state._ This actually is another of Amber's worst, most toxic acts: she comes to him to allegedly comfort him and take him back, but she still manages to make it all about her, and she does it in a way that he isn't in any state to say "no." She's only into him when he's _hurt_ to the point that she's the "Strong One" of the relationship, and she _resents_ him when he has any means of standing apart from her, let alone any responsibilities other than waiting on her every whim. She wants a dependent accessory.

[@Pehz63]

This fits her character so well when you think about her hobby of helping at the soup kitchen. She doesn't go there for the goodness in her heart, she goes there to get her fix, a feeling like she's a benevolent superior being. That's why she was so upset with Mark, he was doing more good than she was (he basically said his super hero work is more important than her soup kitchen work) and it shook up her ego. That's why the reasons she gives him make no sense, because there's no explanation for her treatment of him that doesn't make her look like a totally selfish bitch. People like this generally have an inkling of their true selfishness, but most of it is hidden from their awareness. So I don't think she lied when giving her reason for breaking up with him, I think she just didn't really know because she couldn't be honest with herself.

[@darrienjones8917]

Except none of that even makes sense. Because it still doesn't explain anything that happened between them. Especially the college campus stuff. Honestly this is just bad writing to get people to hate Amber. It doesn't make sense any other way

[@segevstormlord3713]

@@Pehz63 Pretty much, yeah. If she is an intentional examination of what a real version of the "Feminist Strong Woman" archetype Hollywood pushes would really be like, it's a brilliant one. She isn't evil in her own mind. She isn't thinking about her superiority in her own mind. She's thinking of herself as the victim of an oppressive Patriarchy (and Colonialist culture that doesn't appreciate her African heritage). She _is_ doing good by volunteering at the soup kitchen, but her drive to do so is one of "I am a superior person helping the lessers" rather than "I want to help these people get better." She would almost certainly find a reason to be "concerned" if the soup kitchen stopped seeing so many customers due to more of them finding their way out of poverty. Again, she isn't consciously evil; it's just all about her and her position as The Righteous One. All of her behaviors take on a sinister glare in light of "I've known for weeks," but they all still fall into the stained glass window of her saintly self-image, too. That's what makes it so brilliant a character examination...assuming it's on purpose. IF it is on purpose, it is STEALTHILY done, too.

[@kittybossatron]

@@darrienjones8917the writing makes it kinda seem like amber is in the right cuz everyone be agreeing with her and Mark be takin her back and the part with her “knowing three weeks ago” was just tryna make her smart, tryna say she smart, I think maybe the writers wanted Mark and Amber to have been together longer and the reason for Amber being mad is that Mark didn’t trust her after all these years or that he valued his secret identity over her immediate safety when he went to get in costume which, if the cyborg went straight for Amber, could’ve killed her but they didn’t do none of that, rather they made Amber an annoying asshole

[@segevstormlord3713]

@@darrienjones8917 It could be bad writing. If so, it was bad writing designed to showcase how smart and brilliant she is. Why, strong women like her would never be fooled by dumb boys keeping secrets from them! But whether it was that unintentional bad writing, or an intentional depiction of her self-centered nature, it DOES recast all the stuff that came before, and leave us with a coherent image of a young woman who is deeply toxic but actually remarkably believable as a character.

[@Scoonertuna]

Lois discovering the truth isn't as toxic as Amber... However, it is part of a tiring trend where the character believes that they are "entitled" to knowing secrets about other people...and force them to reveal it on their terms instead of the other way around

[@marcosdheleno]

if you watch the episde after you will see her showing why she is so angry at him. because she feared he lied about other things. like his feelings for her. basically she was afraid he was omniman playing invincible... also, when she sees him before confronting him, she is worried because he was hurt, it was only after seeing he was alright that she confronted him, which shows her priorities.

[@Scoonertuna]

@@marcosdheleno And if you look past episodes, you can see why Clark kept the secret from her. Lois told him she would expose all of Superman's secrets... stole press passes to get a story... And when Clark was getting ready to reveal his secret to her, she made the remark how she hated Superman Again, I say this: it's not as Toxic as Amber from Invincible , but this is part of the growing trend of people feeling "entitled" to knowing other people's secrets amd forcing them to reveal it on their terms instead of the other way around Jimmy's reaction was PERFECT, hence why he is The Goat!!!!

[@marcosdheleno]

@@Scoonertuna yeah, like i said, the show never says lois is in the right. on the contrary it literaly shoves it in her face that she is in the wrong. what it does do is tell us WHY she feels wronged. not that she is right in feeling that way. in other words, CONTEXT.

[@ugan2]

Won't lie. Amber knowing and yet being upset because "you don't spend enough time with me" is also pretty common in crime dramas, which also get stale. How many crime shows do you see where the veteran has been married several times (always four for some reason)? And these are women who know they're with men who work crazy hours and yet get upset when he misses a date! Haley Hotchner from Criminal Minds kind of irritated me the most with this because she always chewed out Hitch for not being home after Jack was born despite the fact that before he was born, Hotch was already a certified team leader and been in the bureau for a while. She knew the crazy hours! I could at least forgive Kathy Stabler because she and Elliot got together more because she got pregnant in school (I don't doubt they loved each other but the show made it fairly clear they had a shotgun wedding), so didn't know what she was signing up for. Plus it seemed her issues was more her thinking Elliot and Olivia were too close than the job itself. Also, also, they seemed to be amicable during their short breakup It's why I actually liked Will and JJ from Criminal Minds or the Regans from Blue Bloods because it was nice seeing an actual stable relationships in a crime fighting family. I get the whole point is to show that such a job requires sacrifice, but does it have to come at the cost at having the hero (or crime drama character) seem like they're the bad guys because of it. Also funnily enough Spiderman also did a good subversion of the normal girl and superhero breaking up. Spectacular Spiderman had Peter dating someone who actually didn't mind he worked crazy hours (aka his story to cover up him doing Spiderman duties). They broke up on Valentine's Day not because he ditched her to deal with Venom but because she could tell Peter like someone else (Gwen Stacy).

[@ReddwarfIV]

​@ugan2 Hotch stayed at work even when he didn't need to, that's what Haley was upset about. He didn't make time for her or his son.

[@huntercool2232]

Mark and Amber’s relationship in a nutshell: Mark: *”THE PUBLIC IS IN DANGER!”* Amber: *”MY EVENING’S IN DANGER!”*

[@diegopansini3152]

😂 perfect

[@jasperspearl2768]

Ha!

[@FreshZCORD]

accurate sadly

[@vonnie0_0]

Mark: *”I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD!”* Amber: *“GREATER GOOD? I AM YOUR **_GIRLFRIEND,_** I’M THE GREATEST **_GOOD_** YOU ARE EVER GONNA GET!”*

[@FreshZCORD]

@@vonnie0_0 at least frozones wife was funny with her selfishness

[@happyalkina]

It is SO refreshing to see someone not justifying her actions

[@luckybynn5788]

I found it strange that Amber is supposed to be smart, into comics, and lives in a world with a bunch of actual superheroes running around but has apparently never encountered the concept of a secret identity.

[@robertwaksberg]

Amber isn't actually smart or a good person. The writers wrote her as an annoying bitch but were completely tone-deaf to how she actually came off as. You can see how the writers saw her while creating her character through words other say, such as consistently pushing the idea she is a good person and "way too good" for Mark.

[@bibigamer502]

She probably has and thought to herself that she’s going to be the first one to make a superhero tell her their secret identity in the first 6 or so months of their relationship

[@9ineee]

@@bibigamer502 yeah, doesn't make sense to lie to her

[@electricbayonet2]

An easy way to fix Amber? Give the scene where Mark tells her he's Invincible parallels to when Debbie put on a brave face for her son but nonetheless stayed awake to make sure that Nolan actually came home from that alien dimension. If Amber broke up with Mark because she was cracking under the pressure of wondering if her boyfriend was going to be killed by cyborgs and star-gladiators while having to act like there's nothing abnormal about their relationship, that could have been brilliant. Amber revealing that she understands why he kept his identity a secret but that she's breaking up with him because she can't take the stress of it would be sad but entirely understandable. Instead, we got this.

[@Born_Stellar]

only way to fix her is say she had brain cancer and the tumor was effecting her brain.

[@Senzuthegreatmage]

An easy way to fix that piece of garbage its just reading the comic

[@soumyaranjankanr306]

​@@Born_Stellaror split personality disorder XD

[@UnwaveringBackBone]

That would be making way too many allowances for clearly toxic behavior but the tumor thing would work great

[@Kazini_]

That's exactly how it went in the original comic version

[@Foreverparadoxed]

After watching the first couple episodes of season 2 you can tell they are trying SO hard to make her more likable. lmao. They toned down her bitchiness by a lot, and her of all people telling mark he doesn't owe anyone anything after she felt entitled to Marks secrets after dating for less than a year. Oh my god the irony.

[@imcoupe]

it's fine tho because we won't see her at all or barely, the reason why she was so annoying is because she was the one starting all the conflict in the first part of the story and being annoying in general but now we finally get to see stuff we care about so thats great

[@DoubleClefFm]

That´s exactly what i thought. They made her far more likeable, because the fans wouldn´t like or even accept her if they keep making her toxic.

[@Artrysa]

Oh god, they're sticking with her? I was hoping they'd drop that character out of the story.

[@D_U_N_E]

​@@Artrysa She actually works as a character now. It's a little Jarring going between the two, though she is now understandable and supportive. Only thing I dislike is the writer acting as if "WeLl yOu sEe dIsoHesTy", as if Mark didn't have legitimate reasons to protect his secret identity, and the possible repercussions/longevity a highschool relationship has on average.

[@JamesJome123]

She’s fine now, I’d say she’s so irrelevant that she’s passable

[@allana4744]

1:23 Mark when you ask him whether Amber or the Manchester United football club is more toxic

[@nelson3703]

Aww man that's critical damage

[@megadubstepxd9462]

Can we talk about that she only began interest in mark after she saw that he has good chemistry with eve, and then blackmailed someone just to give him her number, she legit committed a crime just out of pitty that mark was talking to another girl. The moment she was introduced she was already a terrible person.

[@anthonyzullo]

Its a forced allegory for the typical male/female relationships of the modern Era. Men can be literally heroes to their communities and it won't be enough for most women. It's not shitty writing, it's honest writing. It's so funny how it is going above people's heads. It's a satirical comic strip, it's entire premise is based on "what if superman was a douchebag?" Then expanded into other satirical tropes we often see in mainstream hero media that a lot of people are tired of because it's so wildly unrealistic. In reality, you don't often win the day, get the girl, have a happy ending so on reality not many can actually relate to any of it. But a good majority of people can relate to having a shitty gf/bf who intentionally disregards whatever you're doing for them or others. Lol, probably why people are upset about how a fictional character is treating another fictional character in a fucking cartoon lmao

[@oldoutlet6946]

@@anthonyzullo I think you're giving the writers way too much credit. Asshole characters that the writers know are assholes can be entertaining to watch because in-universe, those characters get their comeuppance. Here, it's more obvious the writers try to convince the audience Amber is a good person but failed to make her actions match that. It was more of an attempt at creating petty drama that didn't execute well rather than anything satirical. Why? Because Amber doesn't get called out nor ever put in a negative light in-universe despite acting like a complete self-centered narcissist. That's why people are upset with her. Also in the comics, Amber was never written this way. She was just a nice and simple gf for Mark to be with till he got with Eve. Making it even more obvious the writers were just attempting to give her more depth in the show and unintentionally made her vile in the process.

[@Wedolko]

​@@anthonyzulloI think you are right about it being an excellent allegory for modern relationships, but I think you are wrong about it being intentional. I think the writers tried to make something relatable and ultimately succeeded, but in a way they didn't intend to.

[@chrislee667]

For real, people don’t talk about the revenge porn crime enough. I hate to be that guy, but it needs to be said. Imagine if the genders were reversed.

[@probablypositivity8918]

​@@anthonyzullo Yuck

[@alrightsure9941]

They really want us to like Amber so badly in the new season. Not working for me, it's so disingenuous. They just swept her toxicity under the rug like it never happened. She didn't learn anything, she didn't grow as a character, she never even apologized. I couldn't sit through a single scene with her without having to skip ahead, because it's literally the most forced opposite behavior of how she was last season. She is suddenly so supportive and kind that I almost would expect to find out this Amber is from another dimension or something where she is actually a good person.

[@alrightsure9941]

Also, her personality is the biggest bore ever. Her character is beyond one dimensional, as flat as paper. All she does is parrot the same "did you know I work at DUH SOOP KICCHEN?!" As if that is somehow not only her only personality trait, but as if it's somehow supposed to make us just forgive her and like her again. Horrible writing.

[@Gigglesnix]

I always just felt like it was all more manipulation

[@MrDruder]

Someone in the studio really wants this character to be in the show, i wonder if we could find this person (probably a lookalike, since the original character was race swapped)

[@eskeladder7751]

I mean to be fair original amber was actually a pretty decent and had some important roles in the earlier arcs character. I dont know why in gods green earth would they change amber to be a b***h in the anime like that.

[@nen_dis061]

​@@MrDruderIt's so cool to change the race of a character from the canon, instead of creating something original (no)

[@trollmaster4523]

It's sad that there's a lot of people who think that they are smart, strong and independent like Atom Eve but they end up becoming a lot more like this version of Amber.

[@corsim5997]

Yes

[@knox7945]

A lot of people these days are delusional.

[@Chronoflation]

It's super easy these days for men and women to end up like this. I mean, a woman can basically do anything as abusive or manipulative to a guy as she wants and nothing will ever happen to her, a dude does anything he gets cuffs on him, even if it's purely a response to the aggressive act of a woman. Had a co-worker who's ex wife hated him so much she taught their daughter to hate him and told her that basically everything wrong in her life was due to daddy dearest and when she came to live with him and he grounded her for talking back she called the cops and told them he hit and raped her. She had no bruises or anything. The only fallout from that that negatively affected her was that he gave up all rights to custody of her. Meanwhile he had to spend a ton of time and money in the courts to clear his name, which he succeeded in, and he still lost his 20 year military career for it. Not directly lost, but he was demoted and told he could never get promoted above that rank again. So he had to leave his career and start working in the private sector for any chance at advancing his career ever again. I had a friend in college who got in a fight with another dude and then that dude's girlfriend slept with him after that and filed a title 9 on him to get him kicked out of the school. We never figured out if she did the title 9 cause she planned it from the beginning or if she felt guilty about cheating on her boyfriend and told him she was raped by my friend to cover her trail, but it was serious shit, and in the end, despite not getting kicked out, my friend lost 90% of his friends cause the whole school heard he was a "rapist", never got any support from the school to make up for the harm done to his reputation or the time he had to put into fighting his case, they basically just ghosted him and when he asked administration they just said "no news is good news", and while he was left basically traumatized, the girl and the boyfriend she cucked got off free no harm, no retaliation, no consequences for placing a false accusation. And with the social repercussions of MeToo and HR basically taking over corporate America to where I've been warned by colleges not to talk about certain things or say anything lockerroom-esc even in private with them cause if "the wrong person" (ie, a female college) happens to walk by and hear, she could report me to HR for sexual harassment even if she's literally just passing by and happens to overhear and I could get fired for a conversation venting about our wives or telling an old college story. Sure these rules technically apply both ways, but let's be real, very few dudes would go to HR if they happened to overhear some women talking about shit at work. Hell, the 2 women who work on the other side of my cubicle wall are always (loudly) talking about some kinda shit be it men, kids, politics, or any of the "no-go" topics I was warned about and I've still not said a word. Cause I don't care and I don't want to promote that type of behavior. But I know damn well they'd send HR a note if they overheard me say anything they didn't like in that same no-go zone based on the way they talk alone. They're always right, everyone else is always awful or stupid or wrong. It's the only constant in their conversations, definitely Amber-like women by the sounds of it and knowing HR at our company is 90% women I already know they wouldn't be on my side. Hell, I asked about changing offices to one that doesn't require a 3 hour commute for me and they instead gave me 30 days to move. Only the next week when my boss had mentioned about just needing to stay in policy and asking about what the policy was did I find out I wasn't breaking any policy by living where I live (same state as the office I have and go into the office the required amount of times per week). I even had told her I live in the same state before she told me I had to move and bitch still put me through all this. Oh, but it was my fault. Been looking for a new job ever since. Fuck this company.

[@HeyYoThePizzaHere]

@@Chronoflation that's crazy, dude

[@ineedpowers5151]

​@@ChronoflationLeave your Country, Bro!! It's a Hell hole

[@DarthVader-jc4qk]

This mf called battle beast”intergalactic mufasa”🤣🤣

[@Vlovesoffensivememes]

He does kinda look like mufasa

[@red_archive]

“You made me feel unimportant” “I GOT MY GUTS SMASHED TRYNA SAVE A DUDE’S FAMILY FROM THE GHETTO WDYM?????”

[@cthulhurage4580]

I gotta love when hyper toxic traits in a character is shown in the positive light like they are justified for ANYTHING because they help people or run a charity. Truly psychopath behavior giving value to someone based on how much time they have spent that benefits you or your image.

[@godwarrior3403]

That's a good way to put it and I'm gonna borrow that. They definitely think because they're not racist, homophobic, etc, that they can do any moral failing and not be blamed for it. These are the same people who try to shame slut shamers, as if they aren't in the wrong for their gross sexuality. I can't speak for all of them of course, but I used to be in that world, used to respect pronouns, etc. I knew several woke people who didn't know each other, and without exception each of them had no moral compass and said things and enjoyed things they absolutely would act enraged about on social media. Specifically they would justify cheating, stealing, being free loaders or "give me money please" type people, say the N word, screw their friends over on owed cash or by hanging with their friends abusers, etc. I stopped being friends with one girl for hanging with someone's abuser THE DAY after she posted a long rant about not hanging with your friend's abusers. Same girl called me crying one day because her new bf (the abuser) got her pregnant, she aborted the baby without a thought, and he wouldn't talk to her anymore. She was blown away that someone would have a problem with that. I can't speak for all of them, but the woke people I've known have had no morals, very little compassion, often the scummy type who doesn't strive for personal betterment, and thinks because they don't judge people on color or orientation that they are the pinnacle of morality in modern society. I'm not surprised these people would write a character so clearly in the wrong that they try to showcase as right.

[@okuyasuniijimura]

Truly*

[@summ.3433]

Seth Rogen is a hack

[@metawarp7446]

It's interesting. In real life, someone can be a very selfish or even narcissistic person, but still be motivated to do a lot of good things. The idea being "I'm the greatest person in the world, look at how much good I do"... How should we then judge that person's morality? I honestly don't know

[@cthulhurage4580]

@@metawarp7446 Doing good for the means of bettering not the person they are helping but their own image is in my eyes evil because they are only doing it because it makes them look good If there is no way to get recognition for the good they wouldnt do it.

[@chimericalical]

Amber started off being toxic honestly. What photos she got and how she got them and the whole blackmail thing is definitely toxic and a red flag, but it comes off as if it wasn’t because she did it to someone who was also being pretty garbage. I could speculate on how she acquired those photos… but that’s just speculation. Also she used Marks bully as a courier… that’s pretty toxic… imagine how shitty it would look in a show if a guy blackmailed some woman’s bully with explicit pictures in order to get her to give his crush his number… instead of just giving it to her himself and leaving the bully completely out of the situation.

[@daivdsmith3746]

That's a really great point. It would feel weird from the jump if a woman tried this approach and a woman would definitely think less of a man if he were to pull that card

[@Ilive_420]

​@@daivdsmith3746 No it doesn't, it is bad from both sides, but it doesn't feel weird bc I can picture that way more clearly since guys blackmailing girls with that is more common.

[@МихаилРадулов-й4т]

Not ot mention she was ready to cheat but gor rejected.

[@pandoratheclay]

Toxic? Someone with powers about atoms is bloody RADIOACTIVE

[@davidmhh9977]

Throw in the fact Amber's ex was probably under the age the of 18. She's threatening a minor with with revenge porn, and we're supposed to be ok with it, because he's a dick

[@somali3n]

"Fly away fly boy" really got me😂😂😂

[@glennchartrand5411]

In the comics Amber had severe PTSD from her Father beating her Mother on a regular basis, she was terrified of winding up like her Mother. Seeing Mark beat something to death , even in self defense, triggered her PTSD and now she'll always be afraid of him...and she knew she'd never be able to get past it. In the TV show they decided to remake Amber as a "Strong Woman" which meant getting rid of a key element of her story and it turned her into someone people have no sympathy for. In the comics Amber eventually married someone who started beating her , she unconsciously made all the same mistakes her Mother made, so she asked Mark for help and he made sure that guy was too scared to ever go back home again.

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

Amber was dumb in both medias lol your PTSD triggering isn't an excuse to dumb things.

[@glennchartrand5411]

@@tiffanywyatt5137 There are resources to help people with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. You really need to ask yourself "How did he know?"

[@hugotrojanovsky7667]

Where are you getting that? In the comics, Amber got close to a different guy while Mark was way in space fighting aliens with Eve, coincidentally also realizing he wanted to be with Eve instead. When he returned both mark and Amber basically agreed it wasn't working and stayed friends.

[@MechanicalRabbits]

Haven't read the comics but from what I've heard she seems like a MUCH better character there. I'll never understand why they turned her into a complete fucking idiot.

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

@@glennchartrand5411 your PTSD is no excuse to treat others poorly. You need to get help properly instead of taking it out on others. Amber herself got in abusive relationship cause she gave up on a good guy (mark) cause of her PTSD and her not treating it properly. Because of her PTSD she did the one thing she didn't want. You trying to mock me being harsh on people with PTSD is doing them no favors and amber is a good example on what happens if you don't treat your mental illnesses.

[@sovietbottle-cap1649]

Apparently in the comic she just tells him when she finds out and decide to break up cause even tho she's ok with what he does it just doesn't leave enough time for them...which makes a lot more sense.

[@rojaedavis8367]

That's actually a more reasonable and understandable stance tbh.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

yeah its understandable to want to respectfully end a relationship because it's a relationship "in name only" but these writers always go with "you treat saving lives as more important than me" which is changes from understandable to being a selfish bastard

[@OverLorD768]

Eh, not really. Amber in the comics was actually really cool with the whole superhero stuff, and even tho it was hard for her to be constantly worying for him or missing him for days when Mark was in space, doing the superhero stuff, she still was really understanding about the whole situation, and cared deeply for him, even stood up for Mark a coulple of times, defending his absence to her friends. It was Mark himself who decided to break up because A) He saw how much stress this life was causing her and how difficult it was for her to be a girlfriend of a superhero and B) Some alternate reality Eve shenanigans that I don't want to go in too deep right now. And even then, they broke up on a good terms, remained good friends and still cared to each other. But aparently to modern writers (and people who liked their crap) being a sweet, caring and understanding person means that you are blunt and have no character. Also, no healthy relationship for our protagonist (at least not till he will get with Eve).

[@andraw4002]

This is wildly inaccurate

[@larrytherustyboii7442]

@@andraw4002 you mean incorrect? idk how op missed the part where it was mark who broke up with that sweet lass.

[@brianshocklee2021]

Amber has narcissistic personality disorder. The soup kitchen and political involvement is performative empathy. The way she treats Mark is gaslighting, an attempt to level the playing field because her anxiety and insecurity as a normal person dating a superhero is magnified a thousand-fold, and after she tested the waters and found out Mark was emotionally vulnerable enough to fall for it she kept doing it.

[@Morten_Storvik]

Or we look at this like a mature person: she simply did not like that her "boyfriend" kept on lying to her and betraying her trust. And she finally had enough after giving him chances to come clean.

[@brianshocklee2021]

@valkyria20chronicles If you're identifying with her behavior like that, pretty solid chance you have NPD too.

[@guyledouche7939]

​@@Morten_Storvikhey sweetheart...literally everyone is telling you you're wrong. Doesn't matter how many threads you hop over to in an attempt to shame people. You're embarrassing, and exposing the fact that you're clearly too emotionally invested in Amber as a character to have an unbiased opinion.

[@guyledouche7939]

​@@Morten_Storvikby giving him chances, you mean gaslighting him and pretending she didn't know when she did so she could psychologically torture him?

[@bottomtier3823]

​@@Morten_Storvikyoure under every comment trying your best to defend her. If you can relate to the toxic mess that is her character just say so 😂😂

[@Elijah_Assink]

I love these content creators. They speak for every sensible person that watch these shows.

[@crickett245]

The thing about Jenny from forest Gump was that she was aware she didn’t deserve him and she said she wasn’t a good person, but forest Gump loved her regardless. Amber on the other hand..acted like she was a saint. Never hated a “love interest” so badly like her 😭

[@djjukeboxhero6491]

You make it seem somehow altruistic when in reality she was just not attracted to him and was busy chasing Chad.

[@crickett245]

@@djjukeboxhero6491 who’s Chad? I don’t remember that name in forest Gump, but I don’t know it’s been a long time since I’ve seen the movie, sorry lmao. But if that’s the case, Jenny of course isn’t the hero of the story nor is she the most amazing person, she has flaws and she let her past control who she became but got somewhat better near the end. I’m not justifying what she’s done but she’s a lot better and more realistic than Amber if I’m being honest. (And I’m not talking about the world being realistic I mean Jenny’s reason to her choices being realistic.)

[@j0nnyb33]

I feel like I'm always defending Jenny online, aw shit here we go again. Jenny was raped and beaten by her dad as a child. Someone who supposedly loved her took advantage of a vulnerable person. Forrest is a vulnerable person who loves Jenny, she loves him but feels guilty about it, especially after they have sex because she thinks she's taken advantage of him. She keeps running away because she feels like a piece of shit and getting into shit situations to punish herself. Eventually she accepts she can love Forrest when it's too late.

[@crickett245]

@@j0nnyb33 Yeah that’s why I stated she was the most realistic in comparison to Amber. Because what she’s been through and seeing the choices she made are what people have done, she’s a complex character with real feelings who had a horrible childhood. I never hated Jenny, especially near the end..yknow what I mean, I don’t wanna spoil others. Cried like a baby during the whole scene. I feel like the movie wants you to hate her because it seems like she will never be happy or a “good person” but then you slowly understand why and her true characters shows through as you said before it was too late. I don’t think she’s the most amazing person in the world, but are any of us? In the end we have all made bad choices that have hurt others because we think we deserve some sort of punishment.

[@scribbles1424]

​@@crickett245Jenny is the opposite of Forrest. Forrest got past his trauma and his caring for others landed him a good life. His simplicity didn't allow him to wallow in self-pity and accomplish nothing. Jenny on the other hand lead a selfish life and cared only about herself despite being intelligent enough to understand it would lead to destruction. Yet she never tried to alter her course or try to improve. Forrest is the real victim for loving such a troubled person. It's a lesson to everyone that people with toxic lives should be avoided. At least Jenny finally realized she was the problem and didn't being Forrest down. Though she did sleep with him while having an incurable disease.

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

The thing I like about Lois is: the show isn't trying to piss on fans and tell them it's raining: when she has a character flaw, the show isn't pretending that she's right. It clearly presents her as being in the wrong, and what's beautiful about her so far is that she seems to be able to grow as a character, recognizing her flaws, and addressing them over time. Amber on the other hand, is just a HORRIBLE person and the show tries to make it seem like she's perfect and that we're re all crazy for hating her! That toxic wretch is a punishment in and of herself!

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Another point is that is consinstent with Lois trust issues being actually problematic even as far as first episode and even in EP7 and 8 there's understanding that her trust issues are still there and cause her internal doubt. Which is honestly surprisingly compeling compared to how Invincible show flanderized most of characters, especially Debbie who had whole arc about her passivity cut to be Aunt May from Spider-verse movie.

[@Awkhalil_7]

the fact that she only felt sympathy and came crawling back to mark only because of what omni man did to him is pathetic on her part. she literally only be going out with him only because he was suffering like who does that shit. her type of guy is a guy who has to almost be murdered and have to be fatherless.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

no no no no, the really pathetic and IRREDEMABLE part is that the first words out of her mouth is "guess we both know how it feels to be lied to". BITCH, his father used him as a weapon to slaughter innocent people, called his mom a pet, and beat him to near death you aren't in the right in any way

[@strivingsol1816]

Personally, I found the "Guess I wasn't the only one lied to" thing really dumb. Yeah, she was lied to by Mark, but it was to protect her. There's a *big* difference between lying and hiding your identity as a superhero to protect your loved ones, and lying about your entire kind to the world, lying to your kid for their entire life, calling your partner as like a "pet", and nearly killing your child after beating them senseless, and then leaving the planet. One would have to be insane to think that those two things are anything alike.

[@kilisloe3474]

remember when she only took interest in him because he was beaten down by the jock and looked weak? I see a pattern.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

Some people go for people that are in a weak spot, usually these are abusive relationships...

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@strivingsol1816 I guess they were trying to make it a symbolic sort of comparison, which can be a really strong device when it works. But it doesn't really hold water in this case either. I COUDLD imagine an alternate universe where this could have worked, but that isn't this universe, so it's pointless.

[@cheerios5849]

shes well written in season 2. she struggles with the lack of time they get together and how she can’t really live in his super hero world and instead of being mad at him she feels like shes failing him which makes more sense than her being so annoying.

[@comicdans7732]

This was the direction that her character went in the comics and it's what I complained about the most in season 1. The fact that this was replaced with her being like super entitled and angry at Mark is such a baffling decision. As much as I prefer how she was depicted in season 2, I honestly wish they had just stayed broken up instead of wasting a whole season on their relationship drama when we all know Mark ends up with Eve in the end anyway.

[@cheerios5849]

@@comicdans7732 yea her feeling upset because mark is never around makes sense but her being a bitch and getting mad at mark for prioritizing life saving over dates js made me hate her as a character

[@redlightg27]

@@comicdans7732 Believe it or not, not everyone reads the comics

[@comicdans7732]

@redlightg27 Yeah that's why I thought it would be helpful to point out that they're following the comics closer now, for those who haven't read it.

[@redlightg27]

@@comicdans7732 my point is for the last part of your comment. You said we all know that Mark ends up with Eve since we read the comics and that somehow makes the season "wasted." I'm just pointing out it's not wasted for those who haven't read the comics.

[@schmorb]

Could have understood her being upset for getting ditched, until she revealed that she knew he was invincible.

[@DankTruck]

yeah that was the most stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on television tbh

[@linnies.3684]

That's how the comic version of the storyline goes. Amber gets mad at him, he reveals he's Invincible, and she's relieved and forgives him. Honestly comic Amber has the personality of cardboard, so I see why they changed her so much, but they did a really bad job at it.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@linnies.3684 if being nice person is being cardboard, I think we found the issue.

[@linnies.3684]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 I don't mean cardboard in the sense of being easy to knock over, I mean her personality is rather bland. She's basically a 1:1 Mary Jane Watson function with nothing unique to her, and her story arcs are pretty formulaic except that one where she got punched in the face (looking forward to see if the TV writers adapt that one or not). TV Amber has a lot unique to her and that's mostly to her detriment, though, so I think I prefer cardboard.

[@JarrekAsF]

@@linnies.3684yeaaaa but how the show is going it wouldn’t surprise me that they nip that in the bud because it is out of her “strong independent woman” characterization

[@OnijJokuma]

If their intentions were to make Amber annoying to us, they did a great job doing it because she has to be the most obnoxiously entitled character ever. Seriously, they did a fantastic job if they knew this would tick people off.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Luffy actually legitimately helps out the homeless more than characters like SJW Green Arrow, Batman, Iron Man, and Amber, yet another reason on why One Piece is outselling every Batman comic series in the West nowadays.

[@TheeOK1]

​​@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hractually, batman does have moments where he tries to help people thorough his alter ego. He's done so multiple times such as his lesser known Christmas annuals or him just straight up taking black mask's goons by giving them a clean slate AND giving them a job under wayne enterprises. The issue with comics is that most people don't talk about those human moments, even pertaining to anime and manga. Or it's because people don't read this stuff and assume the surface level media is baseline. Batman staying with a little girl until she dies as comfort to her, superman talking a confused kid out of suicide, flash using his speed to help people on a personal level (on a daily basis) and ironically being the most down to earth of them all. Empathetic moments for these characters exist, you're just not looking.

[@launcherx2044]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr why mention one piece outa nowhere?

[@Kap_NYC]

@@launcherx2044Ong

[@blueguygaming1330]

@@launcherx2044 Guess Zoro got himself lost again

[@dustinjenney9736]

I literally jumped out of my bed and yelled "WHAT THE FUCK!" When she admitted that she knew for weeks and was still acting like a bitch.

[@skullyairsoft80]

Man what a 180 the writers took in season 2. They backpedaled so hard she is just a nothing character now who exists so Mark can break up with her

[@turtledog5050]

7:55 “because annoying characters are worse than villains” Oh you couldn’t have made that any more truthful

[@Sacknut15]

He chose such an iconic example Roman is obsessed with bowling if I had a dollar for everytime he phoned me asking to go bowling I would’ve had more money than before I’d have done the three leaf clover mission

[@BlazingOwnager]

I love how fast you can destroy a character. Merely one mistake and it's cooked. They wanted her to appear clever, and instead they made her appear psychotic. She could have broken it off with him, not wanting to deal with it.. but this was nuts.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

The good thing about Lois though is that she realized she was partially wrong and made up with Clark. AMBER DID NOT DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT

[@Decade_1703]

And that's why Mark is now dating a far better Girl than Amber

[@Dakingsnake]

Thats pretty much real life

[@adamacedo3124]

"annoying characters are worse than villains" actual facts

[@mizorenight3851]

What always gets me is: 1. She only gets interested in him after seeing him with Eve 2. After Omni man wiped out cities with mark as rag, she just gets back to him like nothing happened

[@drew9738]

I was in a situation like Amber. My girlfriend at the time ditched me on a date. I was mad and hurt. Then I found out she had to go to the hospital. Instead of staying mad at her I rushed to her side and was there for her. It funny how the show doesn’t have that logic.

[@SheoGotSomeCheese]

Ding Ding Ding, you've got minimum human decency! Congratulations! Your prize is a lot of pain, embarrassment and the inability to join the Mafia and make a butload of money through nefarious means...that and an internet cookie 🍪

[@Morten_Storvik]

Amber had a boyfriend that constantly lied to her face about a job that could potentially get her killed. Your girlfriend did nit lie to you nor was she putting you in harms way without your consent. Amber`s situation and yours is nothing alike 🤦‍♂

[@NasiruMubarak-pp9sc]

​@@Morten_Storvikwomen ☕️.

[@SheoGotSomeCheese]

@@Morten_Storvik Again, lying was the smart thing to do; secret identities are there for a reason. Imagine if they broke up badly and she decided to reveal it to the world just to spite him?

[@panpan1287]

​@@Morten_Storvik Yeah, she's way more selfish.

[@justinlynch3]

Yeah that one "plot twist" where Amber revealed she already knew Mark was Invincible, whoever wrote that and whoever green lighted that... good job. Ya'll killed any hope Amber had at being a redeemable character. Which not saying she was perfect before this, but at least if she didn't know Mark was a superhero then her anger towards him is understandable. But she knowing and being angry with Mark anyway, that was terrible.

[@imoutoconnoisseur]

It really feels like the whole 'I knew all along' was supposed to be a throwaway gag making fun of "superhero's unsuspecting gf" trope, written in the spur of the moment. Boy, I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

[@Techmoblad]

There's no reason to hate amber before that reveal happened though. (at least i don't think, i might have forgotten, been a while since i watched season 1). She was just a normal supporting girlfriend who got pissed when he was late and when didnt make it to her kitchen, but understandably so because he supposedly got hit by a car. That much was very normal acceptable behavior but the reveal is what flipped everything

[@Techmoblad]

Oh actually there was the cheating thing, that was bad.

[@rickyressel9263]

Here from the future. They changed her so much in Season 2. They knew everyone hated her. She became way more understanding. Glad they broke up though.

[@jimmyc2358]

The writers did a great job portraying an actual teenager. She is attention/drama hungry above all else. Feigns maturity and lies regularly. This manipulative behavior is very common. I applaud this show because they have this depth of design even in unimportant characters. Even having the other teenagers act like teenagers, they don’t know/have the perspective to give good advice.

[@skillfulwave6592]

As a teenager I can confirm that this is lore accurate

[@Grimmy41]

It would be fine if the other characters didnt treat as if she was right tho.. even EVE seemed to take Amber's side.. Like she goes trough the same stuff as Mark, how could she possibly think Amber was right?? Did everyone just get a lobotomy and we didnt see?

[@nickcarroll8565]

I think they made her awful so we’re all glad when gets with eve

[@anthonyd55]

Finally not a brain dead comment

[@affegpus4195]

You not wrong

[@StonexRanger]

Worst part is the creators are acting like she’s in the right and her actions are justifiable. They really want us to like her yet literally no one does

[@warmage247]

Cause she's black, can't paint it in any other narrative.

[@omotolanitheyoutuber7579]

mark would break up with her soon and e with Eve

[@rickrage7105]

no amber is white in the comics fool@@warmage247

[@ChfHappySack]

​@@warmage247You're the one who even mentions race, that was never an issue. But there's always people like you who point and play race card because hey, low hanging fruit that's easy to defend. I personally don't like her because this video mentions everything wrong with her. Race literally has nothing to do with it but that's all you want to pick at. It can't be any of her faults, obviously it's her skin color. Must be a sad world viewing everyone as racist, but by doing so, that makes you the real racist.

[@loren5432]

​@@warmage247I feel like making a character like Amber is offensive to black people, and I'm not even black. The fact that characters would side with her despite clearly being a manipulative asshole really says a lot of whoever came up with her character.

[@bakedowls299]

Absolutely 100% agree. The fact that she gets the plot armour shield from getting called out for her actions, doubles down on her manipulative weird waiting for mark to do more things she doesn’t like when she could break it off early and spare them both stress, and then has the audacity to show back up on his doorstep after he gets fame and is very traumatized but chooses to make it about her pain AGAIN? Irredeemable witch send her back to the streets so she can tell everyone about her soup kitchen.

[@MoonLoonie69]

Isn’t it weird that in the comics, Amber was white and more understanding, while in the cartoon, they made her black and an impossible person to be around? Don’t y’all think that’s sus?

[@pheonixxavier6725]

What's even crazier is that amber in the comics was actually accepting the fact that Mark was a hero and stayed with him regardless hell she was happy that he told her

[@DelanoSeven7]

She was even excited about having a sup as a BF at first.

[@kenthefele113]

In the comics, Amber was a little air-headed, but she was genuinely well-intentioned and sweet. They made Amber smarter in the show, but in doing so, they made her an awful person.

[@Zilege]

Yeah, Amber was awful. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt that about her. When she said she knew, that was literally the killing shot that made everyone hate her.

[@CyberWarezz05]

Wait, so she knew he was a superhero, cried, even wanted to cheat on him and then had the audacity to say that "she's upset because she was being lied to?".If that was the case, why didn't she confront him and called him out for being a superhero?By her logic, wasn't she a liar too because she knew he was a superhero but didn't tell him?

[@ryman1933]

Nah woman right man bad cause writing say so

[@repstylegaming9730]

@@ryman1933Of course.

[@adora_burst8143]

"Probably the most straight-forward name for a university I've ever heard." Allow me to introduce you to Regular Show's College University.

[@BuggingonBeeroids]

Honestly, I hope in season 2 it's revealed that she has some some subtle brain washing power that makes people take her side and when she gets booted into the sun, everybody realises she was actually not that good a person, just seeking admiration. Remember people; toxic relationships don't suddenly become okay when it's a girl boss being the abuser They really turned her character into something INSIDIOUS

[@TheRhalf]

after reading the comic and watching the show again I found it annoying when they tried to make political commentary and it seemed straight out of a meme, idk why they decided to go clown mode on it but i hope those people don't do the same sht in s02

[@TheodoricEichen]

@@TheRhalf I haven't read the comics. Did they also feature Amber literally saying that she was interested in that particular university because they "have a good social justice program"? That one just struck me as so on the nose that it seemed like a parody.

[@Firesgone]

It was obvious from the beginning too with her introduction to Mark being beat up and HER kicking the brutes ass. She wanted the relationship with her exclusively on top

[@Crese1947]

​@@TheodoricEichen Comic Amber was what people would actually want. She didn't know he was Invincible (Thought he was dealing drugs) and was worried about him. When she did find out she forgave him but Mark did eventually break it off because he knew she deserved better (Couldn't have an actual relationship with her because he'd always be gone). Pretty good character in the comics, even if a little generic. Way better than the show though.