Motorcycle Special #4 | A Lack of Attention

An action packed episode featuring a new rider who has a 60 second countdown to a collision.
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[@RussRyan7713]

I really think that on a CBT you should not be allowed to drive for a living. It's for learning not working. I see loads of scooters on L just delivering food. Most are dangerous. They have no intention of doing a test. L should be for learning only.

[@michaelbenson2954]

Good point

[@fabianmckenna8197]

If they were unable to do it as learners, they would just get an electric bike Instead.........

[@JurivonStolzenberg14]

@RussRyan7713 in germany you cannot ride an L plate unsupervised. You do your training with professional motoring school , pass your test , get own bike on road legally and then you are ready for road. Uk has less doctors/ nurses / ITU/ paediatric ITU beds than most 7 G countries and import about 1/ 3 of clinical staff ( in germany we have even dedicated paediatric ITU ambulances on roads ) , and still have " learners " on road unsupervised or supervised by private folks which possibly would not even pass a re- test today, never mind a proper medical. Shocking 3 Rd world conditions. In Nordic countries they even do basic skid pad training for the gen public , while in UK they cannot get up a motorway slip road safely. Beggars belief.

[@trdtommy]

@@JurivonStolzenberg14 True for Norway too. Her you have to learn by driving with someone else that already has the correct license(or one license above on motorcycles and scooters). Then you drive with a learner school. Then you take the test. Then you are on probation for a few years(7 i think) where all fines do the double points and police are instructed to take your license sooner for smaller stuff than after probation. After all that, you are a full license holder with normal(high as f**k) fines and points.

[@mcdon2401]

I'd probably also suggest that most of the L plated delivery riders won't be carrying the appropriate business insurance either...

[@PedroConejo1939]

4:35 - riding into puddles. Avoid. I've done it on a pushbike and hit a sand/mud bar that had developed with the flow. Stopped dead with no warning it was there. I am careful with floods no matter how many wheels are under me. I still think employing learners for deliveries should be illegal. There's a real theme there.

[@smilerbob]

@@PedroConejo1939Riding standards aside, how many of the riders have business insurance coverage? For me just to travel to a different office in my car, I require full business coverage as it is not covered by the “Commuting” part of the insurance as it is a “different location to usual” Back to the riding standards, I am sure some of them haven’t even taken the CBT and got a friend / family member to do it. As shown in this video, red lights, give ways and junctions are all optional

[@highdownmartin]

You must have enjoyed some of the dikheads on Bengregers channel. Unbelievable stupidity!

[@PedroConejo1939]

@@smilerbob There's plenty of opportunities for the police to blitz an area before word gets out, perhaps all the roads used on the approach to a group of these fast food places and clobber the no insurance/MOT/tax/licence mob. It's all down to resources though.

[@frankmitchell3594]

I avoid them in my car, you don't know how deep the pothole is underneath the water.

[@kenbrown2808]

the don't allow learners to operate any other vehicles for hire, do they?

[@mattshaile1721]

My dream of being featured in one of Ashley's videos has come true! I'm the muppet who drove into the puddle at 4:30

[@ashley_neal]

Thanks for sending! Easy mistake and as I said it could have been quite serious.

[@shaunsautorepairs5410]

Was there any damage to the front wheel, they usualy take quite a hard hit

[@Andy_ATB]

L plate delivery drivers really need cracking down on. The lack of awareness, roadcraft is troubling......

[@harryvanrijn6366]

From what I've seen the L-plate stands for Law breaker, Lowlife or similar

[@Trevor_Austin]

I totally agree. If you are riding for living then I think it reasonable that you hold a full licence for the vehicle you are riding. That implies tuition and guidance on how to stay alive a bit longer. I would also suggest that most delivery riders don’t have the correct insurance - one that permits deliveries.

[@EinkOLED]

It's worse when they're delivery riders. Because they are paying more attention to their smartphone giving directions, than what is around them. I've seen the same behaviour from deliveroo riders, head down on their handlebar mounted smartphone. Stopped on the road looking at their app or riding through red lights. It doesn't help when the majority of the riders are from non European (African/asian countries that wear winter clothing in 20 degrees. Bring their cultural practices over and have not been taught about the rules and laws in the UK. It seems to be their only opportunity to earn money in the UK.

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

Although these people delivering much needed organs to people on waiting lists could be considered national benefactors... 💀

[@JurivonStolzenberg14]

@Andy_ATB exactly. I had a delivery e biker with food box doing a dangerous U turn across dual carriage way central reservation with eyes for his sat nav screen only IN FRONT OF MY 40 TONNE loaded TRUCK in 40 zone. I managed to stop and hoot.

[@michaelbroderick6830]

Vast majority of riders seem to be delivery riders.

[@BrandonDMorrissey]

That peddling motorbike at 2:48 was absolutely hilarious 😂

[@lloydy1312]

There are a lot of riders who have a filtering/overtaking mindset all the time. So when they come upon a slower vehicle in front they go straight for the overtake without assessing danger. They also filter way too fast. L plate or not. I spent 10 years riding from Berkshire to north London daily on the A40 and saw so many "speed filterers", and a fair few accidents as a result. If you want to show your riding prowess, take it to the track. On the roads, you can't always predict what others may do, no matter how skilled you think you are. Please ride safe.

[@genadineholychild]

It appears the vast majority of idiots on 2 wheels are the 'moped uber-just-eats' variety. Seems all they care about is getting food from A-B as fast as possible.

[@tin2001]

More deliveries means more pay. Unfortunately the companies involved take little to no responsibility for the resulting problems. I'm 100% happy that we don't have any of those services in my town.

[@SoupMagoosh]

Yes, because they are paid so little for each delivery. It’s actually insane that these companies are allowed to operate because most of the time the riders don’t even get paid minimum wage.

[@Leeeg]

​@@tin2001 yeah and naturally those companies would like it to stay this way

[@jasonk7072]

A lot of them round my way are ditching mopeds for electric bikes. I wondered why they turn up dressed like North Pole ninjas in the height of summer and someone explained to me that it’s so CCTV can’t identify them as they fly through red lights, use pavements and go the wrong way down one way streets. But if we want food delivered on the cheap, this is what happens.

[@laceandwhisky]

Dare say many are not insured for business use either 😊

[@paulevans9307]

If I could change one law to increase road safety, I would ban insurance on motorcycles used for hire or reward for provisional licence holders. I would keep Business 1, so they are able to go to work somewhere other than their usual place of work, but not be able to do justuberaroo stuff until they have more experience.

[@michaelchallen]

That has always been enforced by prohibitive premiums, all insurers ask you if it's for SDP, people mostly say yes and then use the vehicle for work anyway. My van is insured for business use at £860 a year and my car for SDP at £300, that allows me to drive to and from my place of work but not to transport tools or equipment. These guys have probably ticked the box that says they will only use it to go to the chippy and visit granny and that works fine until they're caught..

[@davidjones332]

@@michaelchallen The answer to that is to impose a duty upon the employer to inspect the licence, MoT and the insurance certificate, and to impose an absolutely crippling fine upon the business if one of their riders is caught in breach of any aspect. Whacking some corner takeaway with a £10k fine or jailing them for a breach of health & safety legislation would make them sit up and take an interest.

[@paulevans9307]

@@michaelchallen then it needs more enforcement

[@michaelchallen]

@@davidjones332 Yes, I had to provide insurance for business use when I was a despatch rider in the early 80's, and show my certificate. We used proper motorcycles and were bikers first and foremost, these scooters didn't exist. We had no learners riding but we were going from Fanham and Aldershot into London every day and a lot of riders had regular trips to Manchester and further. You're right about fining the primary user of these riders but the primary user would probably say "Hey, I've contracted this guy to take my food from here to there, he's self employed, if he's not insured that's his lookout not mine." The best way is probably a clamp down checking insurance etc by police but that probably won't happen.

[@michaelchallen]

@@paulevans9307 Can you imagine the outcry from businesses though? They'd say it's not their problem as the riders are self-employed and any curbs or extra cost on riders would ultimately cost the shop money and destroy business. The chamber of commerce and the local MP would get involved, and the whole thing would die a death. Remember them trying to do something similar with despatch cyclists years ago? The cycle lobby got it all brushed away.

[@wrightwoodwork]

The last couple of times ive being out cycling and had a group of motorbikes coming psst the last rider has has put thier hand out to say last rider. I always give a quick check to see if any are following but i cant see back back half a mile hidden by corners . I think its a nice thing letting me know. Plus me also checking for more riders they know im also checking and the hand signal confirms it

[@xTerminatorAndy]

remember, on the road everyone has got a duty of care towards each other, even if the other persons could improve their driving style

[@Shylo2017]

Hi Ashley, great video as always 😁 As others have mentioned, I think there needs to be a bit of a crackdown on 'learner' scooter/moped riders in particular because it seems the L plate is simply their way of getting on the road and they've little intention of taking a test anytime soon. Especially the bunch of clowns in this video!😆 On another note, I'm in the market for a dashcam for my first car as I want to be able to capture anything I need to for insurance purposes (or to send in to you!😉) as soon as possible - I'm taking my practical test next week! Going to use your Viofo discount code, but just want to check what your recommended dashcam is? I'm well aware you mention it in most of your videos but thought I'd double check in a comment instead before I make my decision. I reckon a front and rear set and I'm prepared to pay a bit extra for a quality dashcam. Cheers Ash and thank you as always for your hard work; it certainly gave me a head start in my lessons 🙂

[@wjlroe]

When I did my first attempt at the CBT, there was a chap there who was on his 7th CBT and had been a delivery rider for 14 years (just doing that maths on that haha), the instructors tried a few times to persuade him to take the test but he was unmoved. I'm not entirely sure why to be honest, but it could just be that passing the CBT is often a very light touch because it's a combined training and assessment, and if you've riden a bike for years it's a doddle. The actual test is a lot more involved, but I do wonder at the cost of paying for that CBT every 2 years. My only theory is for most delivery riders, they see that job as temporary so it's just not worth taking the test. Then next CBT it's the same story - still temporary! Just for a bit longer. It's nobody's idea of a forever job I don't imagine.

[@DaveHines1]

Maybe this one should be titled delivery rider special 🤣😃🍻

[@jez5182]

7:01 I believe that's a warning to avoid what looks like a length of debris on the road. The rider ahead steers to avoid it.

[@driving_all_over]

As someone who was on the Isle of Man in the past few days and drove along the Mountain Road I do wonder if that signal at 7:00 was to indicate a hazard. It’s worth mentioning that the island doesn’t have a maximum speed limit (the national speed limit sign there means unrestricted rather than 60/70 in the UK) so if a biker is going at 70+ there’s less chance to react to said hazard

[@Whojoo]

The Netherlands: yep, solid lines mean no crossing or overtaking. Im not sure but i think you are also not allowed to overtake like that on or near a junction. Also he drove against traffic by overtaking on the turning lane of the other side which you are never allowed to do

[@shed66215]

4:40 Not just motorbikes. Even on roads that I cycle regularly I will move over to avoid whatever lurks beneath when seeing a large puddle, not least to help keep my feet dry. Even worse when its roads you don't know or in the dark on country roads.

[@highdownmartin]

1.10. That’s a delivery scooter driver. Not a motorcyclist. Chalk and cheese Ashley. Back in the seventies anyone on a bmw motorcycle was extremely dull and boring. The equivalent to a Volvo driver, with his flat cap and pipe. First time I got knocked off by a car turning in front of me, it was a fckn Volvo and she actually said “ sorry I didn’t see you”. I wasn’t hurt the bike was scraped but rideable and I actually found it slightly funny in an ironic way. Over forty years ago now ffs

[@laceandwhisky]

Yep remember those days with the flying bricks 😂 funny how things change I drive a Volvo xc90 and use indicators all the time, my son drives a BMW and well say no more. When I'm on my bike I indicate and use my hand signals 😊

[@GrahamHazlehurst]

Pavement riding is insane, there is a theme here L plates food delivery riders.

[@Kieran.Robertson]

It’s the DPD drivers of the motorcycle variety 😂

[@FistOfFiori]

7:12 is the aptly named Mare St in Hackney, it's always been a 'mare with people pushing in and not paying attention. It was my walk to/from primary school (going from Westgate St to the left to King Edwards Road on the right) and attention was very needed as a pedestrian too!

[@arkadye]

6:57 I interpreted that signal not as "come around" but indicating a hazard on the road. I'd expect the arm to be higher and a fuller sweep around if it meant to overtake. If you look up motorbike arm signals for group riding you'll see those signals.

[@RyanTaylor1997]

They were signalling to pass, there was nothing in the road

[@AnonymousCaveman]

Ashley i have a random question. This may seem simple but I have been told multiple dofferent things about what you can do with a bike 1) i was told if i have a full car license i dont need to do CBT for a 50cc or a 125cc 2) i have been told i have to do a cbt but i get to keep it for life since i have my full driving license 3) i dont need a cbt for 50cc but i do for 125 and it still only lasts 2 years. A lot of these statements are from people riding motorcycles so i dont know what to do. I just want a little 125 for communting rather than using the Rover MG for short journeys.

[@WayneTulip-zm9gw]

0:14 using the pavement to avoid the queue, that motorcyclist should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

[@sameyers2670]

I agree but they probably don't care

[@benmilsom4185]

That motorcyclist a shouldn’t have a licence!

[@bofor3948]

"missed the raised area adjacent the cycle area" reminds me of that old gag when someone fell down the stairs "Did you miss a step"? "No I hit every single one"

[@dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805]

As one of my biker friends once said to me - lessons with bikes are well ard lessons and sharp !

[@JurivonStolzenberg14]

I had the same from a shool run lady in car . Undertaking on pavement with single yellow at 9 am , dropping children, doing 5 point turn, driving back on pavement. Shocking. We need more of the public shouting at them😅.

[@smilerbob]

This video was perfect timing for the journey I have just done. Motorcycle rider looks like they are going to weave around traffic but get caught by us turning left but instead turns left themselves the wrong side of a keep left sign at traffic lights 🤦‍♂️ One for the Motorcycle Special #5 me thinks (assuming the camera captured it and in clear enough detail as it isn’t a Viofo…yet)

[@1over137]

6:30 and "traffic calming" bollards. I would do this along the queue out of work, but that's a pretty stationary queue and I'm doing 10mph no more. Its only when there is a car in the gap and stationary I would go around the bollard.

[@geninio97]

I had the reverse of the clip at 4:50 I was cycling on the left hand side of the right lane, had a driver beep at me as I was in their way (despite lots of traffic). The road diverted round the bend and I was turning right. After a mile or so down the road she caught me up, shouted that she'd "run me off the road if she ever saw me again"

[@smilerbob]

Ah, the old lane split into different directions so those using it correctly must keep left to allow those in the wrong lane to come over. Had that argument many times at many different but unfortunately my insurance company disagreed on the one occasion I had a collision and deemed it 50/50. A quick lesson in “Being in the right isn’t always right” Just be fully aware of your surroundings and be ready for impatient drivers in the wrong lane. I think the phrase I find helps is “Being postive withoutcbeing arrogant”

[@123MondayTuesday]

You never get anywhere following the rules mate 😂

[@smilerbob]

@@123MondayTuesday I make my own rules 😁

[@WolfmanWoody]

Solid lines in the Netherlands mean exactly the same as here and the Dutch treat them seriously. I stayed in a hotel in Spijkenisse once and in the morning had to travel over the bridge to Botlek, to the west. I drove as I would in England and stayed to the right (not left), but that lane (at the time) suddenly was divided by solid lines and I needed to get to the outer lane, otherwise I'd have to go to Rotterdam. Well, I checked my mirrors and crossed the line. OH BOY was I cheered by horns blaring out. I remembered in future.

[@machendave]

I was out riding my bike and the son of a friend was tagging along. I was on my BMW(no entitlement) He was on a restricted 250cc Yamaha Drag Star. Going up hill in slow heavy traffic in both directions he suddenly took off up the middle of the road. When I later asked him what he was playing at “I find it hard to ride slow” I tried to teach him slow riding techniques, even riding his bike in a car park at walking pace doing figure of eights and circles. He had to paddle at anything under 10 MPH. luckily for him he bought a car so survived

[@gordon861]

To many people cannot seem to ride, or drive, slowly. Riding quick is easy, but spend a few hours trying to ride as slow as possible and staying in control and you will be a lot more stable on the road. Same in the car, learn to drive slowly and control the clucth.

[@paulfranklin8636]

I do wonder if the the rider at 5:23 you describe as "a fully qualified idiot" is qualified, or just riding around no licence, no insurance etc

[@GodmanchesterGoblin]

I thought the same...

[@stuartjohnston1086]

As a everyday biker, I also sometimes get the "overtake me" gesture from vehicles in front, nice of them, but I'm only ever going to overtake on my terms. My normal response is a friendly wave, and then another if or when I do overtake.

[@wiadroman]

2:51 This is actually a comedy gold. Reminds me of Ali G parking in a disabled slot :-)

[@KevinHorrox]

5:00 hi, Bath! Scooter riders are a nightmare there. There is a double lighted bit about 15-30seconds before this clip starts where the scooter riders for deliveroo etc regularly just skip the lights. There is a large pedestrianised shopping centre to the left, and I've even seen some take to there and go through to skip the queues which often form. More needs to be done about these issues, by police and other authorities

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

Is it now time to disallow solo riders with L plates. If a provisional car license holder can't drive unaccompanied by a suitbale person, then neither should a motorcyclist/scooter rider be whizzing around on L plates themselves either. Time to revise the Motorcycle CBT perhaps?

[@razzle1964]

Somewhat draconian, perhaps but (even as a full, ‘A’ licence-holding, biker myself) I DO understand & share your concerns. I’d advocate a ‘one chance at gaining a licence or you’re out’ approach, to weed out those who simply retake their CBT every 2yrs.😉✌️

[@magneticman245]

I think there might be some wiggle room here for full car license holders. Maybe no riding unaccompanied with a provisional bike license, unless you also have a full car license already?

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

@@magneticman245 sounds reasonable to me

[@R04drunner1]

5:35 "A fully qualified idiot " 😂 must remember that new driving term! It strikes me that it might come in handy for my next commentary run!

[@Stu81]

It's insane to think that to work on a building site you need a CSCS card which now requires two separate tests yet you can jump on a 125cc motorbike with just a CBT and no highway code theory test, not sure how in depth the CBT is now but when I did it many years ago it was almost impossible to fail, one lad dropped his bike twice and we had to keep stopping for him to catch up when out on the road and he still passed.

[@anotherledfreak8649]

I remember seeing the aftermath of the accident 1m36 in... The rider was being worked on an hour later when I passed. The guy who supplied the video was directing traffic.

[@bluecard009]

The third clip is in Shepherds Bush and the roundabout that jeremy whine was heading to in the clip where he pulled out into the flow of traffic without checking to avoid the van that had just slightly creeped out of the side road you did a video breakdown of. Luckily it's in a 20mph limit as it makes it easier to cope with all the vagaries of pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists, electric scooterists and moped delivery riders. Probably not the worst bit of riding I've seen in the area for the last 3 years or so I'm commuting there for work.

[@williamfence566]

My wife when working in A&E heard the phrase "organ donor" which was a paramedics term for a RTC involving a motorcyclist. Made me far more aware when driving our roads.

[@SamJLance]

01:09 - was not expecting to hear the band Tiny Moving Parts in an Ashley Neal video!

[@smilerbob]

I have said similar before but will say it again for the clip at 5:49…if you see one motorcycle rider come passed watch out for others following trying to keep up. Those following are likely to do something dangerous If you are one of those trying to keep up…don’t

[@PedroConejo1939]

Riding in a group is a mug's game for anyone but the most experienced riders. I've seen some horrors, including a mate knocked of his Z1300 and then run over by his mate on the Z1300 following behind. Much better to arrange a meeting point and ride to your own standard.

[@tin2001]

In this age of having half a dozen different methods of communication, and a navigation buddy all stuffed into a little box in our pockets, it really doesn't make sense to worry about splitting up with your travelling party every now and then. Just share your location with each other before leaving, agree on a meeting place, and choose a mutual means of communicating if you get really split up.

[@laceandwhisky]

​@@PedroConejo1939I used to run the Suzuki B-king UK ride out weekends. The group was pretty disappointed when riding always a brief before hand always a drop off rider at junctions always me at the rear. Yep we had a few offs at corners lessons learned but that would of happened anyway due to their bad riding skills. Totally agree and I always said it ride your ride not someone elses😊

[@gordon861]

@@laceandwhisky I took part in some larger rides in London and we had about 10 riders that had practiced controlling the group and the traffic around them, They always did the briefings before the ride and had words with anyone doing something stupid when we stopped.

[@leexgx]

5:30 OK my mind set is stay in the left lane until you have cleared the junction or roundabout (this is from a car driver) so many people do lanes changes at roundabouts (a lot of people also Lane hog for long distance because they are turning right in 2 miles

[@jonrellim]

The rider at 6:40 actually broke multiple traffic rules. 1. He used the left turn lane to go straight. The arrows on the road are also a mandatory direction sign. He has to turn left. 2. By doing so ran a red light. 3. He went onto the oncoming turning lane. 4. He went over the hatched area after that as well. If someone from the opposite direction decided to make a turn he would have been in big trouble. And yes. Double solids cannot ever be crossed.

[@Fazer_600]

As someone who done the full bike license, including the CBT. The CBT isn't fit for purpose.

[@andrewryder9642]

2:38 I was worried when I saw a road which I regularly ride down. Luckily I’ve never ridden down that cycle lane. Many do though and cars too.

[@arthurjarrett1604]

I cycle a lot and my new job has me driving in London a few times a week. None of these clips from London are anywhere near as bad as some of the things I've seen London bikers and cyclists do. The bikers' actions at 5:40 and those overtaking around islands in particular are almost non events in comparison. It always seems like there's some kind of race to a central spot with a win at any cost rule!

[@rickconstant6106]

It seems that a lot of L-plate riders, particularly those delivering food on twist-and-go scooters, have no intention of taking a test, but just keep repeating the CBT until they jack it in, so they have no interest in improving their riding skills. Similarly, just because an idiot on a bike is not displaying L-plates, it doesn't mean that they have passed a test. I've been riding bikes for over 50 years, and still ride all year round, almost every day, so I don't have anything against bikers in general, just the stupid, reckless ones, who make things worse for the rest of us.

[@steve00alt70]

Its up to the cbt school to encourage them and push them to do their test but not much they can do due to the current laws on licencing

[@neilp1885]

I've said this in a few replies, but I think that a big issue could be that the CBT doesn't cover much of the highway code (and it's not practical to expect it to on a 1-day training course that needs to cover bike control skills), but you can ride unaccompanied once you have the CBT certificate, and can renew it every 2 years, without ever needing to learn the highway code and hazard perception and pass the theory test. I think that it should be mandatory to either have a theory test pass or a full driving licence in another category in order to be able to ride unaccompanied. However, I don't understand why the theory test is only valid for 2 years. You shouldn't forget the rules after 2 years, and if you pass your practical tests for a full licence in that time, then you don't need to redo a theory test every 2 years afterwards, so the assumption must be that you will be able to remember the rules and hazards, so why limit the validity if you haven't passed your practical test during the 2 years?

[@CalmBiker]

Why have people forgotten that pavements are for pedestrians? Baffling.

[@neilclark2245]

They haven't forgotten, they just don't care

[@wrightwoodwork]

There is 2 types of rider those that have crashed and those that are about to crash

[@almightyhydra]

2:43 and 6:40 these roads look more than sufficiently spacious to accommodate 30mph traffic. No wonder people get impatient if they're forced to drive/ride at 20mph when they could do 30 perfectly safely. That clip with the overtake into the oncoming lorry was scary AF. Lucky escape.

[@DemiGod..]

With regard to filtering, when I was training to be an advanced rider, the dual carriageway traffic was slow moving so filtered between the lanes. Comming to red traffic lights was going to go into the left lane and wait behind the stopped cars there. The instructor told me to filter right upto the lights between lanes and do a left turn infront of the cars in the left lane when the lights changed. The reason was that a motorbike is much faster than a car and can do the turn before the car even starts moving, making good progress. Advanced Riding involves using the advantages of the motorbike such as manouverability and power. You dont know what is in the puddle such as a pothole. 05:01 lane arrow on the road clearly states the car was in the right. Learner motorcyclists sigh.

[@iJellySpoon]

Hi guys, I recently moved to The Netherlands and whilst driving doesn't seem too different (right priority being the biggest thing i think) I wondered if there are any channels that could help me pick up on driving there? The way this would help for England

[@jordanmanning264]

I've been watching your videos for years and I love them, they've helped me out a lot. However I think this is the first time I've disagreed with something you've said. At 5:00 Don't you think the car driver should have taken up their position into lane two a little earlier by being on the right hand side of the arrow? In my opinion they get to the second lane by cutting through lane one and If I was the motorcyclist I also would have assumed the car was entering into lane one. Not to say the biker couldn't have handled it better, I just think the driver didn't do a great job either. Would love to hear your view on the ash!

[@KentRoads]

He was pedalling so it counts! xD

[@eboy146]

lol i wished my moped back in the day went up portsdown hill at 1.53 as fast as that bike did.

[@jkd91]

Id imagine even with the crash at 2:18 the motorcyclist will most likely believe they did nothing wrong and carry on riding how they do.

[@paulevans9307]

At least they aren't far from the nearest hospital there.

[@sameyers2670]

I agree

[@adinigel]

Really wish the CBT be changed to only last 6 months thus forcing all these learners to take bike riding more seriously and take a test!

[@neilp1885]

@@adinigel [edit to correct a typo] As someone who has a CBT but for various reasons (work and other things going on in my life) haven't managed to book onto 'big bike' lessons and tests yet, I'd be inclined to disagree with limiting it to 6 months. That could make it impractical for some people to complete training and get the tests done before their CBT ran out. There are often long waits for training and test date availablity too (including more CBT repeats by shortening the validity period would make this worse). I'm my case, I have a full car driving licence, plenty of road experience, including advanced training and observation drives, and I've also done the motorbike theory test (which isn't mandatory for CBT). However, having done the CBT, here are some things I would suggest should change. - A full driving licence for another vehicle type or a valid theory test pass should be mandatory. The CBT is typically just one day, and only part of that briefly covers the rules of the road, so currently you can have people riding on CBT with very little knowledge of the highway code or hazard perception. I think that may contribute a lot to what you see L-Plate riders doing. - Business use should be limited on CBT. You could allow things like traveling between offices if you have a job that's based in a couple of locations and you use the bike for "commuting", but things like using the bike for deliveries shouldn't be allowed with just a CBT. - if someone has a full car driving licence then maybe motorway use should be allowed. It seems odd that A roads are allowed, which include dual carriageways with 70mph limits for bikes and cars, many/frequent junctions on and off with little/no slip road to build/reduce speed (so more difference in speed compared to vehicles on the A road), junctions to the right, vehicles slowing in the right lane and crossing the central reservation, roundabouts, etc., whereas motorways aren't allowed even though they typically have fewer/none of those hazards. This could also translate to, if someone has a full car driving licence, then maybe the CBT plus motorbike theory test pass could convert to an A1, rather than just an AM. This would allow the motorway use, would reduce the pressure on the test centres (less waiting time to get a bigger bike test slot when you are ready) and could reduce pressure on the motorcyclist to get the big bike licence before they've got more experience on a 125. I'm assuming here that most of the poor riding and rule breaking is being done by people who only have the CBT and don't also have a full car licence, as those with a car licence should know better.

[@leexgx]

Pinch point makers should be illegal (raised or pop out kerbs as well)

[@GordonBlack-t9c]

How can you get commercial insurance when you are L plates. That would be the correct cover for Uber Eats and many others.

[@laceandwhisky]

You have a point business use, not sure how insurers are with L plates

[@douglasreid699]

you can get L plates on a van, my dad was an advanced driving instructor long ago and also a builder. he taught a few labourers how to drive using his van. it puts the price up on the business insurance for the van because they are a named driver and have little experience, it also depends on how long they have had their driving licence and what age they are. my guess is these L plate riders dont have business insurance or insurance for hire or reward, they are doing what they do on social domestic and pleasure cover. it might be possible to get for hire or reward insurance while on L plates as most of these riders are delivering food in towns or citys, so in 30mph zones, but i would expect it to be a high cost. someone thats 17 or 18 could still do the job and ride a motorcycle to deliver goods but their age and mileage would keep the cost high.

[@davem9204]

Some people go on about car drivers using their phones, but I see far more phone usage with moped/scooter/ebike riders. Some of these clips highlight this.

[@paull7725]

In France I saw more than anywhere else most vehicles move aside to let motorbikes past. And they say thanks by sticking their foot out ! I ended up looking out for them much more…

[@WingNuts2010]

at 7:01 is the approach to 'Windy Corner' on the TT circuit on the Isle of Man. Maybe the rider in front saw a car move over to the right slightly due to a gust of wind and was warning the POV rider?

[@flowcc]

seems to not be a local here either, better off not gesturing at all as you've no idea how the person behind would interpret it.

[@razzle1964]

I thought it was a hand signal, common to bikers, saying ‘don’t pass’ or ‘slow down’ (or something similar to either of these)? As for the shrug … well, can’t blame a biker for readjusting his position anyway he likes, can we? He may have ‘shuffled’ his jacket/gloves to a more comfy position after extending his arm & changing his body position!🤔😉✌️

[@jez5182]

There's a loose item in the road.

[@RyanTaylor1997]

There was no wind, it's my clip and they were offering for me to pass because I approached a lot quicker than them 😂

[@razzle1964]

@@RyanTaylor1997 Mystery solved.🏍️🤘

[@KXXULADavidOC]

2:41 Wow thats hilarious 😂🤣 deliver rider + L plates seems to be an instant red flag

[@jasonk7072]

I think a big issue is the expense and complexity of the full motorcycle licence. Four separate tests and an investment of at least £1k isn’t going to encourage anyone who can whip about on L plates to get themselves trained. On your point about BMWs, BMW Motorrad have a new rider training scheme using excellent approved instructors around the country. Idiots are going to idiot whatever they’re riding or driving and this lazy stereotyping does none of us any favours.

[@laceandwhisky]

It's the Superman suits they wear underneath. Until they slide down a road and get gravel rash or broken bones they don't seem to learn. I have four learners under my wing at mo two just past full licence and still learning the other two one has had an off on his 125 luckily ok the other hardly rides he don't seem into biking. All good fun 😊

[@steve00alt70]

It needs to be simplified down to a CBT then straight onto a full A licence and ignore the age part because why wait till your 23 why the age wait??. Then have the school offer advanced training by rider money donation charity.

[@davidrumming4734]

Having last rivers bursting their banks locally and driving thru the water….on the back roads, because the main road was closed due to flooding….i have never considered riding through water on 2 wheels. 3 of us only just made it home….how do motorbikes cope?

[@kramshiron]

Impatience is one of the biggest problems on our roads.

[@trdtommy]

That last one was a noob but there was also a lot of gravel on the middle there(where no one is supposed to ride).

[@highdownmartin]

5.55. The reputation bikers get for being complete arsehlos is exemplified here, my mates going to get there first and he’ll make me feel small because he’ll take the piss because I’m shit and he’s great so I’m just going to shut my eyes and squeeze past this 38 tonner so I don’t feel embarrassed and inadequate later. Group rides; usually a recipe for disaster.

[@MatNewtonTrio]

The L in L plate usually stands for Lobotomy. A complete lack of experience, over confidence and no awareness. A day in London and you’ll see all of this. As someone said in another comment I agree that you shouldn’t be able to work as a courier with a CBT. They spend half their time peering down at the phone.

[@richardpayne]

Maybe it's the poor video quality, but the raised curb just before 7:40 was not obvious. Given that the painted cycle lane before the junction had no curb, this one was easily missed, even assuming no phone usage.

[@iallso1]

7:08 I understand from watching a lot of motorcycle content on KZbin that riders point out road hazards to their fellow riders, not something I have felt the necessity to do, but it is possible that the rider was pointing to some cracks in the seal, rather than suggesting an overtake.

[@RyanTaylor1997]

It was for an overtake, nothing wrong with the roads (I'm the rider attached to the camera) 😂

[@r1273m]

Here in Brighton & Hove food delivery riders on 'L' plates are a nightmare. Really they should not be allowed until they have passed their test and gained some real experience. These riders all seem to look the same so maybe it's a cultural thing, perfectly acceptable behaviour in their native environment. I retired from motorbike riding three years ago when I reached 74 and as an entitled BMW rider request that you do not describe these morons as 'motorcyclists'.

[@alvina69]

How long can learner drivers drive on a provisional license before they have to take a test?

[@davidrumming4734]

Inappropriate speed for the situation Was walking through our estate yesterday….lots of parked cars both sides, & a few tight bends. First car goes past, very sensible, next car was going like a bat out of hell…Audi A3 TDI. I’m assuming he or she caught up with the 1st car. Very little reaction time.

[@rrp6405]

3:15 would that be for using a mobile or for distracted driving?

[@mrblablablabla]

Yes, even a single solid line means you can’t go across it in the Netherlands. Also, you must follow the direction of the arrow road markings of the lane that you’re in, and you’re not allowed to overtake in junctions / crossings. That biker was ridiculous!

[@problemchild1976]

@4:00 - should the motorist not be a bit further forward in the yellow box if turning right?

[@kdmq]

At 4:38 it genuinely looks like he's outside of the puddle. He must have hit that one hidden pothole with water in it.

[@ynot6473]

@ 2.50, it did used to say bicycle on the tax disk!

[@JamesBond-is5du]

Is it safe to change lane on a turn? Cause looks like the motorcycle was pissed due to that.

[@Steve_7867]

No hi viz on most either. Any leathers?

[@murdochm4847]

You get old bikers and bold bikers, but never old. bold bikers.

[@rickconstant6106]

But you do get old, bald bikers

[@Jonc25]

Now, here is a thought. A lorry driver has been jailed for 1 year for accidently running over a sleeping homeless woman who was asleep on the pavement outside the petrol station. The lorry driver was entering the petrol station in Everton Liverpool to make a delivery.

[@XEM_Ajax]

As a motorcyclist myself this country needs a serious crack down on L plates. The CBT is unfit for purpose. Thrice now in the space of months I've had Loser plate scooters taking up my entire mirror trying to squeeze round me on my motorcycle, and they're confused when I don't let them. They're shocked at hearing that what they're doing is illegal and unsafe

[@neilp1885]

@@XEM_Ajax I think a big issue is that the theory test isn't mandatory for CBT, so you can have riders on CBT with basic bike handling skills taught on CBT, but with very little knowledge of the highway code or hazard perception. There's a nod to rules of the road on the CBT, but it's impossible to cover much as one part of a one day training.

[@XEM_Ajax]

@@neilp1885 they do a mini-theory at the start but it's not a pass or fail. The CBT programme is entirely unregulated. I even got passed to ride a manual when I did it on an automatic 50cc by the end of the day 😂 think about the number of immigrants, sorry to say, who are being passed every day like clockwork that are used to the roads of their home countries and don't much care to adapt to the UK's rules

[@neilp1885]

@@XEM_Ajax There are rules and a syllabus and the training schools and instructors should be following them. The syllabus doesn't give much mention of the highway code, just that the student should be able to answer questions on it. There are some specific points that are included, like use of lights, but not much. There were 2 of us with my instructor when I did my CBT, and we were both full car licence holders. I think the instructor adapted it for us, but our theory part was a quick check if our understanding, making sure we were aware of the recent changes like the hierarchy, and then mainly focused on the differences for motorbikes from cars and on things like lane positioning for corners and junctions. We both did the practical parts on manual 125s and of course got the appropriate indication on the certificate for having used manuals. The instructor did say in the introduction that if we struggled with the gears or the size then we could use an automatic or a smaller bike, but that if that happened, they would then recommend further training before riding a larger manual on our own. That wasn't needed in our cases, but it was an option. Your certificate should show which type of bike you completed it on (auto or manual), and should record any category restrictions. The restrictions available are if it was done on a motorbike and sidecar combo or on a moped with more than 2 wheels. The notes on the back of the certificate say that if you completed your training on an automatic then they recommend that you take further training before riding a manual, but that's a recommendation and not mandatory. So it seems you aren't actually restricted to automatics just because you did your CBT on one.

[@Christian-ve1wi]

Madness 😂 But I've got to put my hand up to a mistake I made recently on my bike. 40 zone and I was doing 50 my reason (not an excuse because there's no excuse for speeding) I had parked my bike by a wasp nest and went to move off with it surrounded by them. I decided on the industrial estate road to ride quickly in hope for the ones still buzzing around me to disappear. Firstly I wasn't concentrating on the road and secondly I was going quicker than the car driver pulling out of the junction thought. Now they shouldn't of pulled out because they had seen me but had I been paying attention I would of easily anticipated what they intended to do. Almost got taken out that day. I hate when I see on Biking groups so many riders complaining about car drivers and their terrible driving as I believe and as I quite easily proved we can also be the ones that put ourselves in harms way and or be the worst users on the road. My lack of attention and my speed contributed greatly to me nearly coming off. Thanks Ashley keep these motorcycle specials coming I'm sure there's no shortage of them and riders be mindful you can reduce your risk off life threatening injuries greatly by paying attention and riding less recklessly.

[@bjthedjdutchdude1992]

@6:45 Yes. The solid lines are the same as the uk

[@user10184]

5:00 consequence of sounding the horn in rebuke. Just make space and keep moving.

[@doughunt9621]

Don't know whether this has been mentioned. Should be pedalling, not peddling. That is something a door-to-door seller would do.

[@DarkMuroe]

I'm still going to write that comment for the clip at 5min. It is quite a way before that lane splits right so there wasn't really any rush to get into it. I'd like to think I would be aware of the possibility of someone doing what the biker did, (i.e using the wrong lane) and accommodate it better than the cammer did. He got way too close to the biker for no real reason.

[@JOHNfuknRAMBO]

I agree. Maybe Ashley needs to change his mindset 🤔

[@stephenhayes6145]

Who was the lead vehicle? and who was over taking?

[@laceandwhisky]

Yep take care of each other no matter what the road does.

[@davem9204]

The sign saying what each lane was doing doesn't appear until the road straigtens out, so there was no need to move to the right lane until that was visible. It's also safer to change lane on the straight than on the bend. So the driver could have done better. The biker should have taken more care too.

[@PS-fl7et]

While I agree we should all be looking out for each other and not purposely going out to cause an accident, is nobody going to say the rider was a plank for thinking they can use the wrong lane to get ahead? Would you all be as accommodating to someone taking a slip road exit last second at speed or across the hatchings? Or would you be calling for points and a fine?

[@dalmo001]

Hi Ash! 5:00 Totally agree the motorcyclist is in the wrong. However, should the cammer not have positioned themselves to the right to go directly into lane 2 after the split, instead of taking lane 1, then moving to lane 2 mid corner? To me this invitied the motorcyclist to come across as they did. Staying right would have given the motorcyclist more information and they would probably have slotted in behind the cammer in a much safer manner.

[@IToohat]

Nothing wrong with the car drivers positioning, they were heading for the right hand lane (after the split) the only reason they moved left is because the scooter rider forced the car driver to alter their positioning. The scooter rider started in the wrong lane (right hand lane, before the split) and was either inexperienced, selfish or both.

[@ChrisisisB]

5:03 The car has no rear dashcam (or did not think it important), so no way to see how the motorcyclist positions himself. But to me it looks like the cammer hugs the right side till the motorcyclist forces his way in or is let in at about 5:03. So in my interpretation that is on the motorcyclist also. He makes a very dangerous overtake over a solid line in a corner, and luckily for him the cammer drives defensively.

[@Hurin55]

Your comments seem to be getting saltier, lately. Love it! 😁❤️

[@JesusChrist-e8b]

0:48 The Beamer GS driver is very skilled on three accounts.

[@tinakerr8163]

Some big businesses are making a lot of money from delivery services. I think it is about time that some tougher rules were brought in regarding inexperienced riders/drivers and the time pressures they are put under. How many young people are injured or killed for the meagre wages they earn doing these deliveries?

[@SittaCarolinensis]

A BMW is a BMW, no matter how many wheels it has!

[@chrisrand5185]

A habit I see often is the motorcyclist almost attached to the rear bumper of a bus or HGV, with no visibilty ahead, no reaction time/space and invisible to the driver of said bus or HGV.