Ice Bowl! - EVO Vs STI Snow Challenge

[@norway85s]

I have this 08 STI my self. Live in Norway, and do alot of trackdriving on ice lakes. As far as i can see, the evo is a great car. More track-orientated.On snow track, i dont thing they feel much different because of less traction.Its more about the tyres (grip and friction) The 08 STi is more comfy and soft, also compared to the my prevous Hawkeye. Yet its still very fast. If you like like agresive Track-driving, buy evo or later STi`es, Like more soft and comfy, buy 08-14 Sti. Both cars are great. Dont hate the other brand, get to know and understand it... And DO NOT EVER drive summer-tires on snow. EVER! Just a tip from a snowmonkey!

[@jeprodigalson792]

Stock maybe lol Sti much better

[@clintdizney05]

the evo was able to power out of corners better than the sti because they put the sti in intelligent mode. doesnt make sense at all to put a car in its fuel economy setting when you're doing a performance based test.... i have a 08 sti and the difference between intelligent and sport sharp is night and day. not to say the evo wouldnt out perform the sti anyways but they never really gave it a fighting chance to begin with...

[@XmetalmikeXx]

True that the video didn't show the sub at it's right mode, but the Evo would still out perform the Sti any day.. you're paying for that brand name that's why Mitsu is so expensive

[@isaacsvids2540]

Clint Dizney evo suck

[@DWinzZz]

Bro you even old enough to own a car? Because both cars are pretty good.

[@chrisripplinger]

And we tested all these really cool things you'd like to know...but we're not going to tell you the results from any of it. (1/4 mile acceleration and stop, which car did the laps faster, etc.)

[@Clinterus]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Why say all that and tell us none of it!?!?! The only real "results" they told us was that the Evo was looser and the STI was tighter. Very informative...

[@Xenomorphenia]

Yea. This review was dumb

[@samuelturner5620]

The I mode on the Subaru restricts the turbo to around 5psi and gives the car a very passive torque curve. How is that even a fair comparison?

[@MrDmedina99]

Putting the Evo in gravel mode isn't fair either.

[@tjlovesrachel]

Samuel Turner maybe on that year/body style it does..... but on my 2017 it goes to 15 n change.... s# is around 17~ depending on ambient conditions

[@Itachlazcano21]

That’s a lie it doesn’t put it on 5psi 😂😭😭😭

[@LocoMe4u]

just admit Mitsubishi is better

[@peteleigh3658]

@@Itachlazcano21 yes, it does.. Even on the 2015+ that hits well over 20PSI of boost - it won't go over like 12PSI if you're in intelligent mode lol

[@MidNightRyder1000]

I dont care what car you prefer. seeing both these awesome rally cars driving together in their Element is priceless. Why cant they be friends?

[@TheRedRockerHimself]

of course the sti wont get too tail happy when you've got the center diff up that high lol

[@rubenfranko7785]

Both car,s are nice, but i prefer the evo x.

[@sleepp6127]

Evo ftw

[@LocoMe4u]

Mitsubishi FTW

[@williamgrand9724]

Ill take an evo for street and track performance any day, but the suby for the all weather driving experience is hands down one of the best, the suby is the better drivers car by far!

[@Highjak86]

Exactly. Which is why there is no need for insane throttle response as stated in the video. Using intelligent mode will have no adverse effects on this "competition" at all. In fact a slower throttle response allows for better traction on slippery surfaces.

[@rottdad775]

"The STI seemed a little less loose" Well yeah, that's what happens when you put it in "Intelligent" mode and the diff to 1 setting below full lock! LET THAT BABY SPIN ITS TIRES

[@eastoakland-S65feen]

He said evo is too loose not sti

[@grgmys]

The summer tire comparison was stupid and pointless if they're not 1:1. For people wondering about the stats and info every test was extremely close, but here's the breakdown: -on Ice in winter tires the Sti is quicker to 40 and 60, but slower to 80 than the Evo -the Sti stopped shorter from 60-0 and 40-0 -Evo was quicker on the figure 8 -Evo had better lateral acceleration -Sti was quicker around the handling course So these test results would indicate that the Sti barely edges out the Evo. The problem with all of these tests is that their validity is predicated on the settings being optimal. If only one car was set up right for the tests, or neither were then it invalidates the results. Probably the most important takeaway here is that the two of these cars are so close performance wise that you can't really go wrong with either one.

[@ryuronin920]

+grgmys Both great cars! I'd own both and do own a 2009 Ralliart. Which has the X engine (tdo4 turbo instead of tdo5) the MRs SST and the X drivetrain minus the AYC in the rear diff. Great car in the winter and handles 12" of snow no problem. Going to save up and get an STI or Rex sometime as well.

[@juamiso]

You are right there, Subies from 08 and some 09 have known problems blowing engines with very low mileage. This is an exception and must not be confused with long term reliability. Cars having that problem are still covered by the warranty since occurs at very firsts 10k-20k miles.

[@Osprey1994]

Honestly give me both of them this Evo or STI bullshit is annoying.

[@0772241776]

😂😂😂

[@Zerker25]

Wait did they...sorry just correct me if im wrong did they just say at the end the evo is better because it has less traction in the corners than the subaru?... Because thats what it sounded like.

[@lcameeno1]

:v

[@FlyWithDelta]

you buy these cars to fling them around corners. the evo doesn't have understeer really where as the sti has an immense portion of understeer

[@Mike-gf1bl]

FlyWithDelta no it doesn't. I have never felt over or under steer on either of these vehicles

[@thbabni]

it depends on the dccd setting on the centre diff... i think with 65 rear and 35 front you would have less understeer [Nissan GTRs have 30 front, 70 rear] I think the understeer comes from [49 front, 51 rear stock setting or 50/50 lock but i think on the road the 50 would destroy the diff] so i think most fun, or just burn outs on the street, 35/65 would do wonders but would probably want a 1.5 way LSD on the rear to help out

[@jowen034]

My buddy had an 05 sti making 530bhp and 415whp he launched it almost daily, never had gearbox issues. He did however have an issue with the boots backing out of the wastegate, because the shop that installed it never heard of lock tight, and sent like 50psi thru the motor and actually cracked the case

[@pindrop]

"Oh yeah, we did all these tests and uhh we aren't going to tell you anything solid but...the STi loses...so trust us on that....and....yeah another flawless Motortrend test Bobby..."

[@Jo3ymac]

Gotta love my EVO!

[@lepps5555]

being an evo owner it makes sense why an evo would be better in snow. the "fully symmetrical AWD" that subaru uses is great on the road but when your on a slippery surface you would want the power to shift around to get the best traction like the AYC that an evo has

[@rm-film]

Very good Snow/Ice review! Very honest, I can clearly see that they weren't payed off by Mitsubishi to talk down on Subaru. That often happens sadly. I personally Prefer Subaru, BUT I would never say no to an Evo either. These cars are both extremely great and they deliver all the fun needed for the right person.

[@rangerover06sc]

@lepps5555 I would say the exact opposite. In slippery conditions having all wheels spinning equally is more important then having the majority of torque going to the outside wheel. Thats because it snow, its the wheel with the least amout of traction, unlike it is on pavement. What you want is lots of locking. That gives you more stability and traction. That is what the system in the subaru is designed for, where as the system in the evo is designed for on road agility.

[@acskateNiblets]

I drove both and am now an evo owner. I def. prefer it. The only thing that I thought was worse is the clutch and with an aftermarket clutch and clutch line it's fine.

[@EvolutionIXRR]

@svxforlife that is just the tire pressure sensor..they replaced the wheels without putting back the sensors that's why it is showing..

[@michaelfromaustin]

I'm glad I bought my STI. The EVO needs to class up if they want people to pay 33k+ for a decent model. With some sway bars(mine are 26mm whitelines F/R) the STi is just as "hard" as the EVO. I can understand if you don't like the hatchback looks though; I just happen to love the old Delta Integrales, Audi Quattros and Ford Escort Cosworths.

[@juamiso]

Read with attention: Test settings: 1. SI-drive in intelligent. Right decision!, on snow you do NOT want 400Nm of torque and 300HP. You can not transfer them to the ground anyway! 2. DCCD full lock. You want that on low µ surfaces. Regarding superiority SubaruVsEVO: Subie+ 2.5L Boxer engine Subie+ Reliability mechanical AWD EVO+ Active Yaw (superior AWD) EVO+ SST TwinClutch, faster gearchanges EVO- SST is new developed (less reliable) EVO- AYC has lots of potential problems... Decide4you!

[@9dewittk]

There is a lot of reading out there that "I" mode does provide smoother acceleration in slippery conditions. However, I think once you get better tires than the stock sport SP 600's, "S" mode is the way to go in the lower gears and then switching to S# after you have some space to drive. On my stock tires I was sliding all over the road in just a light rain and I often would use "I" mode. The stock tires are worthless on slick roads.

[@akotr3mor]

@Evo2nr90 I agree and I'm a Subie fan. So long as fans of both these cars exist there will never be a clear winner and that's me being as unbiased as possible

[@coolerdude44]

very nice. its great to finally see people using these cars for what they were designed for... rallying.

[@OviWanKeno9i]

Hm, why did they test the hatchback STI vs the Evo. Wouldn't the sedan make more sense so it's the same kind of weight distribution?

[@SB-yg9mo]

I may be wrong but I think the weight difference isn't that big.

[@andrewbrink1678]

***** Little things can make a big difference. Especially with cars.

[@ZanollaRacing]

Well, I own an STI. We all know the difference between both: AYC vs Symmetrical AWD. AYC is an active system vs a a more passive (only mechanical) system. It's true, it's easier to drive with an active system like AYC (on any type of surface), but it does not mean that the result makes a faster car. You have to work more with the STI. For me, the STI is bit more pure (less electronic) and the EVO more enjoyable. With some mods you can really get two really good sport cars. Cheers.

[@YOSHI450R]

Owning an sti an my friend owning an evo we can both tell you the subaru is better in the winter wait till you drive threw snow deep enough to push with the bumper the sti goes further plus keeps you warmer Mitsubishi's all seem to have very poor cold weather insulation but usually we drive trucks all winter unless we want to play

[@rocketloncherboy]

The reason why they chose the hatch is because it would be heavier and would have more down force grip then the sedan, resulting in more grip but, i agree the sedan should have a go it would have more power and possibly could be better then the hatch.

[@4gclipseGT]

after driving both in the snow, I would prefer the evo for sure... but then again I am a Mitsubishi fan. Both are fantastic cars and I do enjoy driving STi's as well

[@cnip288]

The the tire symbol with the explanation point is the universal symbol for TPMS. It is not uncommon for people to not incorporate the TPMS sensors on their snow tires due to cost. When I got snow tires for my Mazda Speed3 it was and additional 50 dollars a tire for them to install the TPMS sensors. Sense this was a test I would imagine that they did not install the sensors, it could also mean that the tires are under inflated or over inflated.

[@24muddy]

OK as an STi owner and a huge evo fan I must say this is bias against the subby.... I live in northern Ohio my car stays on all season tires that suck on dry and on snow and ice lmfao but leaving the STi in Intelligent mode is cutting the throttle, boost, steering, and breaking it was just to limited to perform... the evo set on gravel was a good choice tho, and I must say good choice of winter rubber!!! Next time you guys do a review in my neck of the woods give me a hollar and give this country boy a chance to show you how to throw down like a true boot legging veteran!!!

[@RaWmTb]

Cars designed for rally racing are awesome. They handle incredible on the road, are somewhat fuel efficient, and if you have the privilege of using cool track like this they are fun as hell.

[@jaiblaster]

Many people compare the exterior aspect, but the important thing is the car. Subaru has better mechanical, better haulage and she is one of the most trustworthy manufacturers of the world and I don't say it, the specializing press says it. The Mitsu is nice, but I prefer the STI.

[@painkillers6]

I'd take either car. Both are nice handling/preformance and comfortable interior.

[@wrxFTWdey]

@RsBl0gger91 you can garage a car and still enjoy it. You don't buy a car to just trash it and have fun with it. You take care of it while having fun at the same time. these cars aren't indestructible. they are meant to be driven, in any condition. Not just snow...

[@TheBSM130]

I think they came out around the same time so they are meant to be competitors. There is a newer STI but from what I know the EVO X is the most recent evolution they've made. If they were comparing and EVO 9 I'm sure they would use a v9 STI instead of the hatch.

[@mikethebeast1012]

loved this video, wish we had ice courses like that

[@OviWanKeno9i]

Sport Sharp is better in the snow. In Intelligent you don't have enough power and throttle response is not as good. It's meant for economy and city driving in Intelligent. lol. I think turbo drops to 2 psi or so on my "I" map.

[@Highjak86]

Just because a vehicle has snow tires doesn't mean there isn't ever a loss of traction. Why do you think a vehicle with traction control is faster off the line in the snow 9 times out of 10 than the same vehicle without? This is a similar concept, but on a smaller scale. I used to have an 08 and would run it in I mode during the winter because it was easier to maintain traction and therefore actually move the vehicle. So back to my original point, I mode is not hurting the STi in this "test".

[@ecko8747]

The cars you see in rallies are not factory stock. They are considerably lighter, have numerous (not street legal) upgrades and are driven by drivers who are much more skilled than most drivers. I would say that one of these cars (stock) would be better suited for snowy conditions than an "old man car" as you put it because it isn't as heavy and has a better power to weight ratio. (A 2009 Suburban weighs 6300 lbs with 340 torques and a 2009 STi weighs 3300 lbs with 310 torques)

[@rngd311]

@minxlabrada I think my EVO is very reliable the only time stuff has broken is when I started moding it and getting a lot more power out of it. so far everything has worked great except for the clutch but with 400+ hp and 6500 rps launches it was bound to break. I don't see alot of stock EVOs most are getting moded so stuff breaks but a lot of people do get STis and keep them stock so they seem rliable

[@XenoRacing]

@dwreus The point of this video wasnt to test which car is better in comparison.. it was to choose two vehicles which are popular in order to rake in views so they could get advertisement time and earn money.

[@mikeyjk88]

ya in the subaru your suppose to have the traction control off and the diff setting all the way down.. throws the rear end out more.. smh

[@lewisharris6180]

EXACTLY!!!

[@zeroflat24]

the twin turbo comment wasnt mine. and unless they changed the turbo designs only JDM STis come with twin scrolls. the new ones use the IHI VF43 i believe.

[@zYzmrZIzYz]

yup agree, just like the new miata and the old one if u are familiar with those.

[@DaveDablave]

Agreed. That snow is plowed, packed, and perfectly flat. This doesn't really count as snow to me. If they are testing which car is best for all year driving in a northern climate these would both fail. My Bronco II would walk all over them. Power and high tech torque vectoring mean nothing if the undercarrige / bumper is dragging in the snow.

[@quincy965]

Well I think it was great in HD, some beautiful shots of both cars :D

[@samin90]

If you're sliding enough with studded tires to put a smile on your face you are either: a) easily amused b) in dire need of new tires

[@radzer0966]

Subaru guy here, but id take a EVO X for the majority of driving. Subaru if I was up in the northeast where its crazy with ice and snow.

[@siamiam]

great video, nice comparison of how they do in the real world

[@3cl3c71k0r]

Great final shot! That was beautiful!

[@mituc]

Zero, you're indeed wrong... the new STI has a twin-scroll turbo, so that doesn't make it twin-turbo. Moreover, it's easier to make the evoX slide, that doesn't make it less or more stable. Probably that's because the STI tends to understeer more than the lancer even on gravel or tarmac. Again, that doesn't make STI an understeering car, just that it has a bit different setup and you have to flick a bit harder when you turn in to make it oversteer/slide/whatever.

[@thisxguy]

evo

[@torontokyle]

summer tires on ice/snow.. LOL good one were you guys up in Ontario?

[@Masrider555]

Yes you are right,but if you tuned it well it can be faster too.

[@finishyourplates]

What a fun job. What fun cars. Just FUN FUN FUN!!! I'll have to take the Subaru though, but like them both. Cherokee National Forest in Polk County, TN is my personal rally playground. These cars are excellent candidates for that environment. Or any environment for that matter just about.

[@twizzer123]

yeah seems like in canada people use friction tires more. But here in scandinavia most people use studded, u just dont get that good grip on ice without the studded tires.

[@uthwent]

@304Urban Yes Mitsubishi has won the World Rally Championship 4 times between 1996-1999 with Tommy makinen and Richard Burns

[@rukuss0167]

STI - Intelligent limits throttle to 80%, 1 down from full lock causes excess under steer, the hatchback has a less rigid body. Try to get it right next time.

[@settigrmx]

They left the STi in Intelligent mode? Wow. It's more than throttle control, it's target boost levels too. Much lower boost in Intelligent than the other two modes.

[@michaelfromaustin]

@settigrmx I completely agree with you. I've owned this car for a year and I almost always put the car in S# or S. Intelligent mode is just silly.

[@joes1]

well at it because of this the perform very well on the 1/4 as well as auto cross 4 doors back seats or not I like 2 doors sports cars but these two are in a class of there own and personally I think they out shine a lot of cars on the market I mean hell there two of the fastest on the market and this video did not for promoting what these cars can truly do

[@cnip288]

The Service Required was for the TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) Not for anything crucial to the operation of the car.

[@nukemutant187]

So true, sure us STI owners are a little biased we love our subies, I cant stand moter trend but its not only because of what they say about subies they constantly show a car that out performs another in almost every way and then say the lesser is better because its quiter or has a nicer interior or some other rediculous reason... whoever pays for advertising.

[@xpkkingx]

You tested the coupe vs the hatchback? Wouldn't there be rather appreciable differences in performance just because of weight and mass distribution?

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

if I did a review I'd do 0 - 60, 0 - 100, 0 - 160, 80 - 120, 100 - 160, 100 - 200 (acceleration tests in kmph) then I'd do braking 100 - 0, 160 - 0, 200 - 0. skid pan, 1/4 mile, slalmon test, snake test (record car through a bend), corner exit/entry. around town, on the highway, in traffic, how it handles the road what you feel. powerband/torque feel, responsiveness

[@jennangel122397]

Oooooh I loved this video!!! That looks like soooo much fun!

[@RFSA180]

Yeah. The Audis in the video! Both have unstable FWD diffs anyway. Just like the RWD Focus RS. Which is not as good as the Quattro system utilised by Porsche.

[@choiiboiy]

widebody evo x ftw. the looks of the evox grows on you. i kinda wish i got a 9

[@boostpwnsvtech]

Classic h8r. both cars are great and have equal potential...comes down to personal preference.

[@memphisxtreme]

Evo X is the best. The new STI look nice though. Can't wait to see the XI.

[@turbotj99]

It's not like Chevy vs. Ford. There are no Mitsubishi fans. There are people that appreciate a well made product (Evo owners) and people who like a loud exhaust and a brand name (STI owners).

[@kamakasi1]

Because the aftermarket and overall car is much stronger. The Subi's have a much better following of people are performance shops IMO.

[@Code325]

Studded tires do almost nothing for snow traction, as they are mainly meant to help on ice. In this video it was mainly snow that I saw.

[@24macca]

@minxlabrada, in the uk, the reliability issues are/were the other way round. Subaru being the least reliable of the 2, mitsu have had issues in the Evo 4 and below called crankwalk. This has since been sorted in the 5 onwards. Classic shape scoobies have been known to be unreliable to the point where it is not unusual to hear of them having new engines.

[@petahsmit]

i've always liked the sti more. but i do think this evo is much better looking

[@BlaziNTrades]

The snow setting in the Evo gives a front wheel bias, This video wasn't very informative however I think they were basically trying to see which car was more fun to drive in the snow. Assuming that's the sort of thing you're into, I would say you'd have more fun with the Evo if it was in gravel mode, as it would be a lot easier to drift around an icy turn (due to the power being equally split front-rear in gravel mode).

[@Whyyyyyy]

@alabaska182 The STI didn't come as a sedan between 08 and 10 unfortunately.

[@samin90]

MDX, yo. But i guess it depends on the tires: the set I use have more metal touching the ground than rubber. I need them for where I live.

[@shinobi6622]

The tires you put on the cars are still pretty much summer tires to me. The rubber is too hard and there were no spikes. I wouldn't drive that in Sweden during the winters here for sure. Very little snow smoke, was traction control on the whole time? The skids looked kind of boring..

[@KamilWoda]

Brother from another mother!

[@minxlabrada]

LOL - Sausage wagon! The Spec V weighs 3,704 lbs, and that is only 132 less that the normal unit. But that costs $160K+!!! Power to weight is still good, but if I going to spend $70K+ on a sports car, might do better with the chicks is a 2800 lbs Boxter Spyder. Good call!

[@BlakesWrld]

that looks fun and a good way to learn drifting

[@samin90]

The while point of studded tires is to provide more static friction and minimise kenetic friction. In laymans terms: studded tires = more grip = less sliding = less fun (in my opinion anyways)

[@devman224224]

i have an 04 sti and both cars are amazing and i love evo's too just because its still a rally car

[@Matsci101]

I put mu Blizzaks with my bbs rims on my 07 STI for the winter! They are really spongy and grip a lot!

[@06stiismine]

even though the sti did come in second to the evo on top gear both hosts/drivers agreed that they would rather take the sti home with them. just more fun to drive than the evo. i love my sti but i give respect to the evo, they are both wicked. just a brand preference really.

[@9dewittk]

I understand your way of thinking when you hastily think of ballsy acceleration, snow and tire spinning. However, I can assure you that "I" mode doesn't do anything in this situation besides hinder performance. Why? Because of the snow tires. Putting snow or gravel tires on any turbo AWD vehicle completely changes the scenario. It would be like cutting the horsepower back on a snow mobile. Look at the you tube video Evo versus Skiers. A gentler throttle response wouldn't help at all.

[@zeroflat24]

someone correct me if i am wrong, but when they say the STi is tighter in the snow and not as easy to "fling" around, doesnt that mean its more stable? i mean from what i gather they are saying the Evo is easy to steer once in a slide, but it slides easier than the STi...

[@twizzer123]

ehm.. why not use studded tires? Only then will you get the best grip on snow and ice, and it would really show how the cars perform. It is what people up north really use for the winter for the most.

[@06stiismine]

@commandercool101 I think they are just comparing the brand rivalries. it's always ford vs chevy and it's usually evo vs sti. i don't think they meant to compare ford or chevy to either evo or sti. just my thinking though.

[@Snakes709]

dude left the traction control fully on in the Evo. Leaving it fully on and not "off once" kills the cars performance. I drive my Evo with it off once when im just cruising around and "off off" when im screwing around or on the track.

[@AustinDeM]

The sedan wasn't available at the time the videos were filmed.

[@9dewittk]

Actually, they are not all real tools. Most Blackwater, turned Xe, turned Academi contractors WERE and ARE prior SF and Marines. I've contracted with some members of the original company in Afghanistan last year doing K9 patrol/detection work. All of them conducted themselves as professionals.

[@ModFoz]

@bugattti1 Because it was a tire commercial featuring these two cars, lol. They said more about the tires than the cars. Should have been named "Continental Tire Commercial featuring Sti and Evo), lol.

[@chadm2007]

I dissagree, the evo has a HUGE amount of aftermarket support, along with a great fan base.

[@DriftThruLife]

Or maybe the STi is more intelligent....?? Idk, but I didn't feel that was very thorough. I guess they were trying to keep it short.