Aba Actually LOSES Patience, Goes Glove Off In HEATED Debate ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16ueaqaiqyseZI Destiny Defends Himself In HEATED 3v1 Debate, Wins Over Debate Opponent ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHzRYoKqhZZkaM0
@righteousrawb72252 жыл бұрын
What's that intro song tho?
@Yor_gamma_ix_bae2 жыл бұрын
There are so many clips in this video. Destiny saying he can do white nationalist arguments better than anyone else and no one can combat his ideas is just perfect for twitter.
@theorangecandle2 жыл бұрын
@@righteousrawb7225 Yes I need the intro song too. Someone please tell us! Lol
@lifeunderthestarstv2 жыл бұрын
Bro the whole point around 36 mins in (about you framing stuff and controlling narratives) is something all youtubers are guilty of. You yourself mentioned it like 2 weeks before this video to sneako. Now your arguing the opposite because it's being thrown at you? That's very hypocritical dude.
@johnnyphive81972 жыл бұрын
@@lifeunderthestarstv I like Destiny better when he's not flailing. Mrgirl's stance really isn't that hard to follow. Optics- fragile ego.
@Chirachinon2 жыл бұрын
The best part of this debate is Destiny discovering that singing is the hard counter to MrGirl's constant interruptions.
@Meatwad6502 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it’s like the Roxy Andrews verse of Read U Wrote U. It’s horrific to hear.
@Toxodos2 жыл бұрын
I was fucking rolling when he started doing this, it's brilliant. You can't even really do anything against it either.
@PiPArtemis2 жыл бұрын
The second best part is Max testing it by interrupting him again right afterwards Gotta be scientific about it
@MrLeeSensei2 жыл бұрын
@@PiPArtemis i love it
@joeygreathouse40462 жыл бұрын
Next convo max sings back to overinterupt Steve back and they sing back and forth and start harmonizing their counterpoints over each other.
@killanimals82462 жыл бұрын
Have you ever spoken to someone at length, who in reality is simply having a conversation with themselves?
@HeyLady.2 жыл бұрын
Yes! It’s insufferable.
@ReubenRosczyk2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever listened to someone speak at length to someone having a convo with themselves?
@beane64262 жыл бұрын
I was trying to figure out a way to describe what was going on and Max liking the sound of his own voice makes a whole lot of sense.
@PanicontheDieRoll2 жыл бұрын
O-O-O-obsfication COMBO BREAKER.
@skepticinall2 жыл бұрын
Long time republican here. Recently become independent. Destiny if he had done what Mr Girl wants would never have reached me. Moral condemnation does absolutely nothing to reach anyone. You accept they have a different moral framework and deal within that to change their minds. Mr girl is an insufferable asshat
@SOak145 Жыл бұрын
I think you can do both.
@nolwil3659 Жыл бұрын
thats the reason people like vaush and hasan can be insufferable to listen to.
@Might.B.Housey_ Жыл бұрын
Just give it time and you’ll transition to being a full blown lib cuck like the rest of us 💪
@mrjesabi Жыл бұрын
Same here
@eduardoquinonez2929 Жыл бұрын
@@SOak145 Agreed, but would you say that Mr.Girl is basing his discussions solely around moral condemnations or maybe that maybe moral condemnation is all he does without reaching to the other side?
@candian752 жыл бұрын
I have to give Destiny a lot of credit. I would be tearing my hair out if I was arguing with MrGirl. Dude is the most frustrating person to have a serious conversation with.
@hfinally2 жыл бұрын
i laughed how true this comment is, destiny has such patience dealing with mrgirl
@svenbendor6532 жыл бұрын
This conversation seems like that between a father and son. It is absolutely infuriating through and through
@moe32352 жыл бұрын
Ironic…to try to take someone like that seriously will inherently make it impossible to be serious. Dude has the awareness, self reflection, skepticism, and critical reasoning of a 12 year old valley girl that has her father and all the men in her life wrapped around her finger-so she’s never had to learn that actions have consequences. He’s either autistic or a paid actor 🤷♂
@rondelwill39662 жыл бұрын
Destiny was a weasel this debate. It’s sad how you fail to realize this
@cheeto60572 жыл бұрын
@@rondelwill3966 It's sad how you failed to explain yourself
@oCREEDo2 жыл бұрын
Nick: ”Destiny is my best friend!” Mr.Girl: ”And I took that personally.” That sums up this entire arc.
@Gchildwarrior Жыл бұрын
Did he ever have chicken and waffles with our best girl? If he didn't, he's probably upset about that 🤣
@starlord157 Жыл бұрын
If Destiny had Mr girl over for chicken and waffles, Mr girl would have thrown that manifesto he wrote away.
@ProfNDKai10 ай бұрын
🙄🤣🤣🤣 fr
@Onaventea2 жыл бұрын
His name is Mr. Girl, yet somehow Destiny is the more feminine name….curious…
@Vincentpanh2 жыл бұрын
Amogus
@plaguepug20912 жыл бұрын
Amogus
@xASSASSINCE5x2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂
@Psycholosopher2 жыл бұрын
Destiny should change his name to Mr. Destiny.
@johnnyphive81972 жыл бұрын
@@Psycholosopher good shit🤣
@SigmaWhy2 жыл бұрын
Dan was in the running for Buddy of the Year but subjecting the entire stream to Hearthstone is really knocking down his chances
@mandlor75032 жыл бұрын
True
@hotlinewav2 жыл бұрын
its a cozy game though better than factorio 😴
@austinbeal56662 жыл бұрын
I thought it was funny. He just wanted more pixels in motion on screen to help our ADHD monke brains
@reptiloidtill2 жыл бұрын
@@hotlinewav Are you Jewish?
@RardTangler2 жыл бұрын
@@reptiloidtill based
@Erikulum2 жыл бұрын
One of the problem with Max is that he doesn't see conversations as two way stream. In his mind this last one was about him making Destiny understand something based on his own moral framework without trying to understand Destiny point of view. It was obnoxious as fuck.
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
He is insufferable.
@jbroheme2 жыл бұрын
He's a bad listener like Aba pointed out.
@MrNubDanish2 жыл бұрын
Ya aba really got him pegged in the last video he's completely incapable of listening
@Ghlostyc7 ай бұрын
As a returning Destiny Viewer and only seeing this a year after all this happens, hearing Destiny talk after all this about how Mr. Girl is a true narcissist seems pretty accurate since all he seems to care about is HIS arguments, HIS morals, HIS thoughts. He’s unable to rationalize someone may be able to think differently than him and be correct.
@RardTangler2 жыл бұрын
Destiny: is somebody who makes anti-Semitic jokes anti-Semitic? Mr. Girl: No Destiny: is somebody who makes anti-Semitic jokes anti-Semitic? Mr. Girl: ...mmm it depends... So, by Mr. Girls definition, is that obfuscation?
@JoeMama-gi1so2 жыл бұрын
His methods are simply beyond your comprehension.
@avavavavaz2 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-gi1so no his stance changes based upon how he thinks he can wrangle you to his twisted logic and conclusions.
@greyblob11012 жыл бұрын
First question was if they made *a* joke. The last one *jokes*. If someone is making antisemitic joke very often that might point to real resentment or beliefs that they don't want to disclose.
@goose57612 жыл бұрын
@@greyblob1101 yeah that was pretty clear in the moment lol
@RaccooniusIII Жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-gi1sohe's an unhinged Ioser, there's nothing surprising that most people can't stand Mr. Creep the low lQ narcissist.
@poultriarchy2 жыл бұрын
mrgirl: "so if you say something and i think its evasive i should just not say that i think its evasive?" destiny: "just say that i'm missing the point and tell me why you feel that way" mrgirl: "so i should just not say that i think its evasive?" rinse repeat
@Yor_gamma_ix_bae2 жыл бұрын
He does this in every convo with destiny , he’s just stepping up his game now!
@anap16802 жыл бұрын
It feels like he has some form of autism
@sargeteg59272 жыл бұрын
That part was infuriating. If Mr Girl thinks Destiny is evasive by asking clarifying questions, the easiest slam dunk for Mr Girl would be to just answer those questions as fast as possible to force Destiny to give an answer for the clarified terms/positions. That way, Mr Girl would actually get to an answer. But by not engaging it's clear that he isn't interested in that. He's too concerned to jump on simple gotchas to win some reddit points.
@poultriarchy2 жыл бұрын
@@sargeteg5927 it’s so petty haha, can’t stand it
@Scott100W2 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to get the impression that MrGirl actually cares more about clickbait drama than actually getting answers. The only reason he is getting this support on Reddit is that his position aligns with the most r*tarded and outspoken of online communities...
@REALmills2 жыл бұрын
Max said "if you'd have said idk I wouldn't have said you were obfuscating". Steven said MULTIPLE times when asked if he thinks that Nick is a Nazi "idk, it's possible, but that isn't the public policy prescriptions he gives". Max then proceeded to say he was being "evasive" or "obfuscating" by not giving a hard yes or no. This whole conversation just tells me that Max can't listen unless it's the answer he WANTS to hear to confirm his own beliefs, AND that he doesn't know Steven nearly as well as he thinks he does. I would put Max on time out for a bit of I were Steven. I know they are friends but Max is asserting himself far too much into Steven's decisions and being far too pushy about what he thinks Steven should do. MAX, you've said what you came to say and Steven disagrees, now stop trying to force it onto him. It is his choice to accept your advice or discard it, and you need to learn to live with that decision either way.
@blinkrogue13442 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl is bonkers imo
@ion17342 жыл бұрын
idk i think max just wants steven to be consistent. 2 debates before this (with chud) steven said he was a nazi. this debate he says he is not a nazi. On twitter he said he was a nazi. before that he was switching back and forth, joking around. If steven had stuck to a stance of "im not going to comment" or something I think Max would be fine. I think thats what Max means when he says hes ok with an idk.
@beelzeb10202 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 Maybe someone can use the word nazi in different ways depending on the context?
@nommopilot2 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 what is a Nazi to you?
@kevm28962 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 @ion max tried to say that destiny was being to logical but on the defense of Fuentes because he seems to be emotionally involved...but max is the only person so emotionally involved that he can't and won't listen....says that, "he wouldn't strawman destiny"....but he did that well he was saying he wouldn't do that thats why he kept bringing up the "5 year old" thing. Mr. Girl is a Narcissist pure and simple
@leeroyo2 жыл бұрын
Plz, can we have a Mr Girl break. There's no debates, its just circles.
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
He takes SO LONG to say anything jesus fucking Christ.
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
@MaztaPan FOR THE BOT LANE
@sargeteg59272 жыл бұрын
Fully agreed. I don't get how Destiny can take this crap when Mr Girl is clearly a bad faith actor. The initial point of the label nazi was pretty much settled in 30 minutes but Mr Girl had to loop again and again. Destiny recognized after like the third loop that it had become pointless. When every argument Destiny gives always leads to Mr Girl handwaving it away to restart the loop with exactly the same point, you should just end the call.
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
@@sargeteg5927 Bro at 2:10:00 it gets fucking deranged. It is also terrifyingly stupid once you realize that MrGirl has already had this dumbfuck conversation. I don't understand why he didn't just say "I'm emotionally compromised by the way you Destiny engage with what I see to be a Nazi." That is perfectly fine. Aba kinda said the same thing when he said that he was going to abstain from talking to him about race realism. Why MrGirl makes it so complicated and long winded is beyond me. What a horrible waste of time.
@deebo429__2 жыл бұрын
I've been over the Mr girl arc since the second conversation. What's interesting about him? I never understood personally.
@BarBea1123 Жыл бұрын
I am loving going back in time and watching the deteriorating friendship. Edit: this also seems to be the first time Mrgirl realizes Destiny isn't going to humor his broad sweeping summaries.
@CGSocDem Жыл бұрын
U think Nick is a Nazi? I think since this, Nick(& Ye) have clearly shown that they are Nazis, so imo MrGirl was correct
@CorpseBike Жыл бұрын
it's more entertaining knowing the full context
@thefailedartist6344 Жыл бұрын
Destiny is a crazy person.
@dahlizz99 Жыл бұрын
@@thefailedartist6344 Mr.Girl is literally delusional and manipulative.
@sanjicook08 Жыл бұрын
Still waiting on the report
@bavelar87752 жыл бұрын
I like how MrGirl can "speak for" the general public without ever actually speaking to the general public.
@justthedon17922 жыл бұрын
The general public disagree with Nazi ideology
@samtilden4452 Жыл бұрын
@@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt aggressive yet incredibly based
@Mr_Pickles_2 жыл бұрын
Max’s ego will prevent him from engaging with anyone effectively. He has shown that again and again. Supersoy
@koolguy8742 жыл бұрын
More like GIGACHAD
@Mr_Pickles_2 жыл бұрын
@@koolguy874 SuperSoy Gigachad. Truly a force to be reckoned with.
@mkultravictim39172 жыл бұрын
I love max and he’s a genius but he seriously is so autistic and will not budge an INCH to gain a MILES worth of effective communication
@michaelnygondh50142 жыл бұрын
Mr.Soy ?
@REALmills2 жыл бұрын
@@TirianSoverign I'm starting to think Max is actually a narcissist. I know that true narcissists are rare, but Max is definitely a rare type of individual. I think the relationship with Steven from his end is obsessive, possessive, and self righteous. Somehow he has infantilized Steven in his mind so much that he thinks he needs to "save" Steven from himself and if he could only make Steven understand the wrong he is doing, he would stop. The issue is that wether Steven is doing something wrong is debatable at best, but max isn't willing to debate that part. His debate is wether Steven is going to do it or not, not wether it's harmful in the first place. He is trying to force his advice onto Steven so hard.
@TheArtfulRobber2 жыл бұрын
Max: I have a disc problem. Dan: Have you tried moralizing? 💀 This made staying up so late worth it Edit: It was actually Destiny who said it. Thanks for the correction everyone! Not all heroes wear capes lol. I was awake way too late listening to this, mistaking one voice for another. But now we all know who said the funny thing.
@WanderTheNomad2 жыл бұрын
2:34:33
@poke0043moto2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s destiny who says it
@handsomebear.2 жыл бұрын
@@poke0043moto It was. It doesn't even sound remotely close to Dan :V
@lizsalazar88082 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite part of this conversation - Destiny said it.
@rodiculous94642 жыл бұрын
"Up yours woke moralists, we'll see who cancels who!"
@triumphTLG2 жыл бұрын
I think most destiny viewers are smart enough not to accidentally become nazis just because destiny doesn't call nick one
@MrCowman572 жыл бұрын
Agreed I have no idea why he’s more worried about destiny’s audience in this case.
@LanceSKLTR2 жыл бұрын
For real. If we are talking about someone like Sneako I'd agree that it's an issue, but Destiny's ideology is so far away from Nick's extremist beliefs I can never see someone go from normal beliefs to Nazi, especially since Destiny shit's all over Nick's ideas and conspiracies
@fanfan_the_haitian2 жыл бұрын
All MrGirl has shown so far is how narrow his mind is. He’s trying so hard to dismiss any kind of nuance and doesn’t have any grasp on how much humans are much more complex. He’s trying so hard to put Destiny in a box he’s built in his mind. He’s weaponizing the fact that Destiny is not a Labelist.
@fanfan_the_haitian2 жыл бұрын
There’s absolutely no point in debating him. You’d only get yourself in an endless loop of words. His mission is to make you trip over your thoughts by using his tactics. There’s absolutely no way you can move forward in a discussion with this guy.
@a_mage_as_old_as_joe15982 жыл бұрын
What would even be the box you think he's putting destiny in? Not saying i agree with him here but accusing mrgirl of not having nuanced views in humans seems kinda out there idk.
@LizStaples2 жыл бұрын
Truth is Mr Girl doesn’t like ppl pointing at Destiny being buddy buddy isn’t even about Fuentes being a Nazi. Mr Girl could care less, he is jealous and possessive of Destiny’s attention and doesn’t like Destiny being linked with another Male streamer who Destiny has said he respects.
@Blurredborderlines9 ай бұрын
@@a_mage_as_old_as_joe1598 The same thing he does to everyone, "You're either with me or against me" followed up by obfuscating productive conversation down to such minutia that the entire conversation gets lost in the details, then he moves on to another topic while continuing to assert he's "not wrong"
@bennettsolomon28812 жыл бұрын
I wonder if MrGirl had to train himself to be this obnoxiously manipulative, or if it just came naturally to him
@spawnofkings30592 жыл бұрын
He must of learned it from the father he hates but can’t help but live up to the model he was given. That’s why Max hates himself so much he’s the thing he hates the most the image of his father.
@patternrecon52712 жыл бұрын
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks
@Meatwad6502 жыл бұрын
It’s a skill he developed in his history as a sexual predator.
@Starlok0072 жыл бұрын
@@patternrecon5271 Now let's see Paul Allen's debate with Destiny
@mrbanks4562 жыл бұрын
He has an obnoxious way of extracting information. He's not manipulative.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
Saying "I don't know" IS a valid answer to an open ended question.
@handsomebear.2 жыл бұрын
mrgirl: _yea but sometimes you should nuke your chances to persuade people out of dumb/immoral positions in order to make _*_me_*_ feel good about what you're saying!_ 🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
@Yesbutdoubtful2 жыл бұрын
MrGirl projecting malice onto Destiny's argument is sad to watch
@ion17342 жыл бұрын
I dont think it was malicious but destiny was definitely a little evasive. Destiny said "people have the right to kill rioters", then Max said "does the police have the right to kill rioters" and now destiny won't answer because rioter is such a broad word. We have to make sure we're not talking about 5 year olds. I can definitely see why Max would feel like Destiny is trying to evade the question.
@dorsia69382 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 This is the bad faith part that Max does. The 5 year old example is clearly hyperbole that Destiny is using to prove a point about how definitions can be stretched. This is something that's implicit in that meaning, Max is being bad faith when he misrepresents the statement as its literal meaning and hence accuses Destiny of misrepresenting or straw manning his own argument. Language doesn't work that way and you have to have the skills to interpret language as metaphorical or literal when the respective context is appropriate. To miscategorize something as literal when it's so obviously a hyperbolic metaphor is unbelievably bad faith. Unfortunately Destiny got trapped in the straw man. Mr. Girl is constantly doing these sorts of subversive tactics in order to create conversational black holes. It's so fucking insufferable.
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 five year olds would be rioting? Really? Intellectually dishonest
@MultiKoli1232 жыл бұрын
After the last discussion, I misunderstood Mr girl and thought he is just emotional about the topic. Now after understanding more of his ideas I'm just scared of how dangerous it is. He can just get the idea of doing anything and no one could prove to him that he's wrong. It's the same as religious extremists.
@crisjr64782 жыл бұрын
He is a religious extremist. He’s Jewish 🤣🤣🤣
@richardommundsen24172 жыл бұрын
This is why any discussion with Mr.Girl is a fucking nightmare. He makes a decision either early in the discussion or before it even starts and then just starts talking over people who disagree and just restates the one argument that I'm guessing is the one that convinced himself until someone states it back to him. Then when someone states his own stance back to him and pokes a hole in it he goes "WHY ARE YOU STRAWMANNING / GASLIGHTING / OBSFUSCATING!"
@wabbarjacksparra77032 жыл бұрын
He does like shouting his big words when people disagree with him and his ego
@neighbourhoodmusician2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that not only is he utterly unshakable in the belief he is arguing for but also that he absolutely will not stop until the other person concedes and tells him he is right. A difference of opinion cannot be tolerated in his world. Feedback is not received unless the instruction is carried out without any deviation. Personally, it looks even worse to me. I'm not even sure how genuine his concern about Nazism is. I'm starting to think that he just feels he needs to exert some level of control or domination over Destiny. The lack of listening and understanding looks like a tactic to spread confusion and draw concessions.
@themodmancarl2 жыл бұрын
Its a disease that doesnt have a name yet. When a person simply *has* to be right at all costs. Its not a conversation its a preaching session to hope to sway the audience and therefore make the leader of that audience simply fold and go along with it for the audience retantion.
@IntoxicatedSensei2 жыл бұрын
Max pushes me to the right on these destiny streams way more than nick ever has.
@ForeverMasterless2 жыл бұрын
Trueeeee
@penpointred2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha same. He actually has me wanting more discussions w Nick or Sneako.
@LizStaples2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered that the Malleability of your stance is a failing on your part to hold strong axioms?
@bradturner76782 жыл бұрын
@@LizStaples stop using big words i need to look up.
@IntoxicatedSensei2 жыл бұрын
@@LizStaples perhaps my axiomatic stance was conveyed extemporaneously and less unpliable than you may assume.
@trentsartor85452 жыл бұрын
The first minute is basically what destiny has been trying to get Mr.Girl to understand for past 2 debates on the channel! People throw labels around just so they can dismiss people and not have to think or engage
@PlaytheListDude2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl making feeling-based arguments essentially. He wants that 'he bad' label slapped on is all. Really inconsistent in his own views as well. Anti-de-platforming, but as soon as a radical opinion appears we weasel out with 'in the current media landscape it could be promoted by algorithms' and appeal to emotion with 'he wants to kill me'. If you are in favor of everyone being allowed a political opinion in a democratic system, they all should be allowed to exist, no matter how abhorrent. No, we shouldn't fear nazi's or cannibals suddenly taking the majority in Congress. Democracy isn't so weak as to lose to these weak ass ideologies.
@NBACoDGaming2 жыл бұрын
@@opctpos. How?
@deep_and_profound_topics2 жыл бұрын
i don’t necessarily disagree with destiny here on political tribalism, categories as pejoratives, or de-radicalization. but i’ve found his behavior in these conversations insufferable for two reasons: destiny is not shy about using labels and pejoratives to dismiss other people, or making hardline assessments about character. listen to how he talks about vaush or hasan: they’re “commie fucks,” they have “lefty brain-rot,” they’re “clout chasers who don’t care to improve society for anyone but themselves.” he is just clearly lying about this preference. secondly, why the hell has he decided that de-radicalizing nick’s tiny and insignificant audience is a valuable political project? destiny has essentially revived nick fuentes’s smoldering coalition of extremely online theocratic fascists… for what purpose? so that nick can rehash all his exhaustively documented positions with even more obfuscation and euphemism and dog-whistling? he was already succeeding at de-radicalization using redpillers (which actually represent a rising tide of extremism, and should be actively countered), so why nick? why the defunct alt-right figurehead? it makes good content, so i guess destiny is chasing that bag 🤷♂️
@trentsartor85452 жыл бұрын
@@deep_and_profound_topics i agree with the first point that in those contexts it supports Mr.Girl but im not so certain that if the bridges between Hasan or vaush weren’t so destroyed that they would still not be debating/ making content or if he would still be making those baseline assessments. Could be personal name calling at this point due to all the beef between those 2. Now the the 2nd point is a very valid question. Just like jideon said about new ground being broken I’m not sure what else is there to talk about. Especially because they have had debates years ago, assuming those debates and the recent ones are the new ground. Overall id assume the nick and destiny arc is finished after this u unless he decides to push Nick more aggressively otherwise it appears its certainly just for the bag
@Solidus__2 жыл бұрын
Yea in 2022 thats how it goes, I dismiss people on the far right because they are INSANE. Cry about it
@sebastienmathieu64962 жыл бұрын
I am over Mr.girl i feel it has been made clear again and again on this channel and other panels that he will not let a point go until he gets the answer he is seeking. Often he will say what you feel and he won't accept that he is wrong when you push back on that. His ego cannot handle a conversation
@cyropox82352 жыл бұрын
He says over and over that if you give him an answer that actually addresses the question, or you tell him that You won't answer, he'll move on. But if you give him an answer that he doesn't believe answers the question, he'll get hizng up on it until one of the above conditions are met.
@meltedsnowman96372 жыл бұрын
@@cyropox8235 Except in reality what actually happens is that destiny gives an answer that addresses mr girl’s question and mr girl will loop on that question over and over and over again until he gets the answer he wants to get. He never actually does what you’re saying in practice.
@aximili1132 жыл бұрын
@@cyropox8235 that is very subjective and is completely dependent on his understanding and point of view. As he has shown time and time again. he only accept answers that he thinks he knows you should answer or you don't want to answer. Spending five minutes asking a question demands more than a simple yes or no. and then to try and understand and define the question to answer it is not dancing around or not answering the question. he doesn't care about your answer unless it is the exact thing he wants you to say. anything else you say is obfuscating and not answering the question. that is the impression i get from him in several debates and panels. he asks a question continously until he get that answer he wants, to the point where the discussion completely stops and he just says the answerer is lying over and over again.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@aximili113 That's the thing though: MrCreep DOESN'T understand and his point of view is insular, lacking perspective.
@aximili1132 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor that's partly what I wanted to say. But also the unintelligent way he has "conversations".
@alexandercullen17072 жыл бұрын
Destiny is on the hero’s journey, despite having a female name
@koolguy8742 жыл бұрын
He’s not playing league, so he’s not in his heroine arc
@Psycholosopher2 жыл бұрын
As Jordan Peterson has stated destiny is leaving his tribe to discover the world fighting the dragons of nick and Lauren and saving them bringing back the gold sharing it with the tribe.
@XDWASDX2 жыл бұрын
OnlyFans when
@robinthrush96722 жыл бұрын
And Max is on the heroine's journey, like Rey.
@viceanterra32 жыл бұрын
She's so brave.
@Babykicker952 жыл бұрын
"He's constantly invoking his own morality" - Mr. Girl unironically describing Nick Fuentes
@channelname59382 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t Max do that all of the time?
@Babykicker952 жыл бұрын
@@channelname5938 pretty much this whole debate lol
@mrbanks4562 жыл бұрын
That's sorta what he's advocates for.
@jjr81082 жыл бұрын
Mr Girl is the kind of person so lost in his emotions that he can’t play the long game. It’s narrow minded and solves nothing. He’ll avoid playing a dangerous game even though success in that game will lead to the best results.
@shiverpunt2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that Mr.G thinks he is deep and wise when he's really just drunk on his own pseudo intellectual bullshit. His self belief in his own moral and intellectual superiority is staggering. His insistence on absolutes is suffocating.
@Devn3dx2 жыл бұрын
he is THE WORST
@flux19402 жыл бұрын
very concluding use of words here. You described him perfectly
@martinsanchez48272 жыл бұрын
Literally, and that's why Aba exposed him so bad yesterday.
@avavavavaz2 жыл бұрын
@Goatcy Yeah, i dont know if you have met a healthy person ever because that is just narcissism. Your emotional state ATTRIBUTES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT HARM to dialogue and interactions. It ONLY serves to make working out problems favor a specific person (the narc). You deal with your emotions privately or get to a place where they will not take over your mind, AND THEN ENGAGE. SOoooooo tired ...
@Loengrinn2 жыл бұрын
@@avavavavaz that's not entirely true. It actually takes quite a bit of self-awareness and practice to not let any emotion drive your thinking or reactions, especially when arguing on a subject you feel very particular about. And even more so when you're like Max and believe you aren't just correct, but thar your claims are morally correct, and not aligning with them is evil. Conservatives literally ride this exact wave on most of the subjects they debate on. That said, Max does this as a profession, he's already talked about this with Steven specifically more than once, and I assume on his streams/with others more than once as well. He's also heard Steven express the same points repeatedly, and at this point doesn't understand because he doesn't want to. The issue isn't that a person is emotional and let's that bleed into an argument, but that MAX, who should be leagues better than the average person can't.
@legin7772 жыл бұрын
The more I listen to this. The more I think my joke of Max's problem is that Destiny has moved on to a new boyfriend and Max is mega butthurt that Steven has moved on.
@spawnofkings30592 жыл бұрын
I agree completely max is jealous Nick had dinner with Destiny first said that D is his best friend.
@johnnyphive81972 жыл бұрын
@@spawnofkings3059 *Sneako
@spawnofkings30592 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyphive8197 Sneako may have been there first but Max doesn’t see him as a threat at least yet maybe that will be the next step in this Arc when Sneako gets moved down there and set up
@legin7772 жыл бұрын
2:28:34 I feel like this kinda cements my point here.
@TheBaconBasket12 жыл бұрын
@@fifab82 I'm starting to believe it comes down to jealousy as well. Max is saddened by the fact that an unabashed racist can be more pleasant of a person to interact with than him.
@xihe2112 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why Destiny even talks to MrGirl. He talks over everyone, refuses to listen, insults everyone, knows exscywhat everybody is going to say (and if he gets that wrong, he knows what they think and knows they are lying). His questions are manipulative, gaslights, and shuts down everyone's response. Wtf is the reddit going in about?! Its not even entertaining anymore....it's pathetic. If he mentioned stonewalling I'd think he actually was a girl....a specific girl.
@bookoo01932 жыл бұрын
They're freinds, even if it's a completely toxic relationship.
@NicholasW9432 жыл бұрын
I don't think he's gaslighting or manipulating or bad faith or whatever else people are calling him here. He has a problem of interrupting, but he seems genuinely concerned his friend is doing something that is going to harm others and Destiny's career. It also feels like he really wants to flesh out every point and refuses to move off it even when there's almost nothing left to talk about. Conversations with him seem grating, but I don't think there's any malicious thing he's trying to do here. Just seems like a dude that goes a bit harder in talks than most people are used to.
@Shadowh8ter2 жыл бұрын
@@NicholasW943 Absolutely not. His constant obsession with trying to look optically right, his never ending interruption of those speaking, his unwillingness to come to an agreement or at least understanding on any point unless the other person fully concedes to him and his stance, his unwillingness to answer simple questions unless pushed extremely hard to do so. All of this suggests he's not simply concerned about Destiny.
@WanderTheNomad2 жыл бұрын
We know that Destiny likes interesting conversations with interesting people. I think that Destiny actually enjoyed this conversation with Mr Girl after the fact, but was mentally pulling out his hair during the conversation. Like being exhausted while running but feeling more relieved after it's done. Or maybe it's more like eating spicy food, where it's painful while you're eating, but the pain is also pleasurable to some people. And Destiny happens to be one of those people.
@kawaiiandbeans1242 жыл бұрын
Destiny: I made a mistake and it was stupid. Mr.Girl: You're willing to say it was stupid but you're not willing to say it was wrong. Seriously?
@boogie85862 жыл бұрын
Just fucking semantics with Dr girl
@pokemonjjetv4091 Жыл бұрын
Mr girl: asks question Destiny: answers question Mrgirl: does not like the answer, says destiny is gaslighting/lying Mr girl: asks question Destiny: answers question Mrgirl: does not like the answer, says destiny is gaslighting/lying Mr girl: asks question Destiny: answers question Mrgirl: does not like the answer, says destiny is gaslighting/lying Mr girl: asks question Destiny: answers question Mrgirl: does not like the answer, says destiny is gaslighting/lying Repeat x100
@JimC607 Жыл бұрын
It's a concrete trend in every conversation Max ever has, if he doesn't like your answer then the discussion is essentially over even if your answer is correct.
@unclebobboomergames2 жыл бұрын
Mr girls whole schtick is making himself purposefully hard to understand. Those 6 hrs combined were the most frustrating hes ever been. He was getting close to it not being funny anymore. Some may argue he did. Couldnt call then wrong either
@blueygooey88992 жыл бұрын
It was somewhere around a month ago where an hour into an argument he voiced his refusal to change his mind. It was then that I realized I did not like him anymore ever since, it's all I can think about in these conversations, and his mind NEVER changes
@unclebobboomergames2 жыл бұрын
@@blueygooey8899 i probably missed that one. Sounds hilarious tho
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
He’s incredibly pretentious, he invents problems out of thin air out of his emotional sensibility and is not as smart as he thinks he is.
@unclebobboomergames2 жыл бұрын
@@GKJusticar55 and like now after 2 debates of being strictly bad faith hes annoyed with steve for giving him no charitability
@anap16802 жыл бұрын
@@GKJusticar55 that is the lefty stereotype
@PaperMache72 жыл бұрын
It was nice that Destiny didn't let MrGirl constantly talk over him this time around, he abuses the shit out of their friendship to act like a complete dickhead. Also the idea that a moral system doesn't need to be logical is completely absurd, he's completely unequipped to talk to Nick if he pushes him on that kind of ground.
@mariomario14622 жыл бұрын
A moral system DOESNT need logic. It needs values. Simple. Seems like ur not equipped
@plaguepug20912 жыл бұрын
I feel like Aba and Jideon meming on Mr Girl didn’t help in the last conversation. This is clearly a topic he takes very seriously.
@RanEncounter2 жыл бұрын
@@mariomario1462 So how do you state your values without logic? You cannot even communicate your values properly without logic.
@mariomario14622 жыл бұрын
@@RanEncounter by telling u what my values are because I feel it. Simple. I dont need a premise and conclusion just what I feel
@RanEncounter2 жыл бұрын
@@mariomario1462 So you have no values then. You are just going with your feelings. And that also is based on logic. The logic is you go with your feelings. You seem to not understand what logic is.
@JoelDZ2 жыл бұрын
I feel so fucking bad for Mr Girl's girlfriend
@2jake0772 жыл бұрын
don't worry about shalien she'll be fine
@willieg.5182 жыл бұрын
@@fifab82 the fact that this man has a gf is just a disgrace. That girl needs to break up with this clown asap.
@wisemage02 жыл бұрын
I find it difficult to feel bad for someone who has all the tools necessary to leave and just...doesn't.
@carolyn99612 жыл бұрын
she's a libtard too. it's fine
@GG-vl9xq Жыл бұрын
@@wisemage0 sometimes the thought that you have the tools to get out when it gets bad, makes you overconfident so that it is easier to fall in an abyss that those tools aren't the same to get out from anymore. It's stupid but it's something that happens because it's so gradual people don't even notice when they are too far gone. That's why I always say: the longer you stay in a toxic relationship, the harder it is to get out of it. Because of the toxicity of the relationships those tools get blunt, less sharp, some get lost, some bad ones get added and so on. Til the point that it's hard to get out because that other person becomes their world and it's scary to get out after your tools became what they are because those tools became specific to dealings in the world you now are (the partner)
@Eur3kaBuddah2 жыл бұрын
Last video I'm giving Mr Girl a chance to show he can argue in good faith. So far every video with Max I have seen has been insufferable. When Nick can be seen as reasonable and Max is just unhinged.....what a fucking world my dudes....
@Eur3kaBuddah2 жыл бұрын
Conclusion. Done with videos with Max in them. The arguments for gotcha answers and bad faith interpretations. Dude is insufferable to talk to. I hated Nick but now I want Destiny to talk to him more. Crazy how that works....
@neverusingthisagain22 жыл бұрын
But hes not a nazi so thats good
@BannedHistory2 жыл бұрын
@@Eur3kaBuddah you are experiencing what all gentiles go through when exposed to jewish behavior for long periods of time. you are an antisemite now. you will learn the power of the dark side.
@ErgonomicChair2 жыл бұрын
@@neverusingthisagain2 But what is a nazi?
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
MrCreep was always _just content._
@mikecurry68472 жыл бұрын
I do think that Mr Girl has _some_ decent criticisms but at the same time, Destiny is right about Max cutting in too much. He does it in every contentious conversation/debate that he has. It's super frustrating to watch him cut someone off and then lambast them for not answering
@DirtCobaine2 жыл бұрын
I never realized just how manipulative Mr girl is lol like I always thought it was him being funny and to some extent some of it is but man more of it is more real than I previously thought lol but to be fair I feel the more he cares about someone the more he seems to be willing to engage with this kind of Jedi mind trick type of manipulation
@Transhumanist_Adam2 жыл бұрын
TRUEEEE. Max is high level manipulative
@Shindaiwa2 жыл бұрын
Literally watch any conversation of him with either his girlfriend, Stardust, that psychologist chick he yelled over time and time again etc. It's his whole M.O. and it's kind of scary that some people are only now realizing his behaviour when it's been blatantly obvious for a long time.
@chrish3442 жыл бұрын
Did Destiny really think the guy who said the girls in the Cuties movie were “hot” was *not* going to be a gigantic piece of shit? I saw that shit from a mile away the first time he appeared on Destiny’s channel
@WanderTheNomad2 жыл бұрын
@@Shindaiwa If manipulation was obvious, then people wouldn't fall for it
@deebo429__2 жыл бұрын
Go back and watch destiny review his video talking to his girlfriend on camera. It's actually insane. The follow up is decent but he needed the energy he brought today.
@fyngolnoldor48912 жыл бұрын
Mr Girl is completely disingenuous here. On the one hand he claims to accept Destiny's own definition of nazi but at the same time when Destiny tells him that it's unclear, that parts of Nick are nazi-adjacent but other things aren't then Mr Girl accuses Destiny of obfuscating and contradicting himself. Otherwise put, Mr Girl in fact does NOT accept Destiny's own evaluation of Nick Fuentes as a nazi despite claiming to do so.
@XDWASDX2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit Mr Girl is a walking “maybe we’re not so different after all” trope
@4Y0P2 жыл бұрын
Snorlax is right
@REALmills2 жыл бұрын
"if you said no, I might ask why you said that, but I wouldn't start picking apart your definition of Nazi" that is exactly what asking Steven why he said no would be, youre asking him "what under your definition of Nazi makes you think Nick is not a Nazi?" You're just wording it differently, but the subject matter of the answer is still explained by what Steven's definition of Nazi would be. I think the problem here is that Steven is hyper logical about things like this and Max is just purely emotional and doesn't value logical so much. This follows into his constant interrupting, his shutting his brain down when he is hearing something he doesn't want to hear, etc. This is proven by a single point. Nothing you could showax would convince him Nick is not a Nazi, there are lots of things you could show Steven to make him believe he is a Nazi.
@Wiffernubbin2 жыл бұрын
If you think this is emotional you are actually mistaken. 1. Does Destiny think Nick is a Nazi yes/no 2. Destiny actually definitionally strawmanned Max, I fucking hate Max but there's multiple instances here where he accuses max of asking a question or posing something he didn't say. "You insist I call him a Nazi"-D Destiny is shadow boxing and dancing around point one. Which based on Destiny's definition around 1:03:00 Nick absolutely meets the criteria. I can't believe it took him an hour to fucking answer and then when he did his answer is counter to the facts of Nick's outwardly stated positions. Nick meets all 3, full stop.
@LizStaples2 жыл бұрын
@@Wiffernubbin Destiny doesn’t like Nick being called a Nazi, he can’t argue with someone saying he is a white nationalist. Most ppl equate the two and Destiny would have to admit that at some point.
@REALmills2 жыл бұрын
@@Wiffernubbin so shaming Steven saying "you not calling him a Nazi provides cover for him and gains this Nazi power and wealth" isn't insisting? When he said he doesn't care about labeling him Nazi several times and Max telling him hee should care? Implying he should call him a Nazi? The issue is that Max shifted his point of argument slightly from the first to second conversation, and you would only have some of this context if you'd seen both, and Max is hoping most people didn't see the first and remember what he said. He made several claims in the second about not saying things he clearly said in the first conversation.
@Wiffernubbin2 жыл бұрын
@@REALmills Max wants an answer as to whether D thinks he is or isn't or if he doesn't know. The effect of not staking this position is the weasely covering thing. Max doesn't say he needs to come to the same conclusion as he does only that he comes to a conclusion at all.
@gunsrlove2 жыл бұрын
Mr Girl: Fuentes is trying to make everything confusing. Also Mr Girl: Makes everything way more confusing and gets hung up on the definition(subjective or otherwise) of words and blurs and second guesses the whole discussion. If this is some kind of secret Cozy plan, Mr Girl is carrying the whole thing forward
@treeinafield50222 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl made Steven give HIS definition of the word Nazi. And Steven said that Nick Fuentes does not fit his definition of Nazi. What is confusing about that?
@matthewpeverill56882 жыл бұрын
And here we have another 3 hour long example of how Max struggles to perceive the world outside of his own boundaries. I'm half way through this discussion and Max is still struggling to see how Nick doesn't fall in to Destiny's definition of Nazi because he can't grasp a reality in which his own definition isn't agreed upon by someone he thinks agreed with him at some point. MrGirl got super angry when Destiny said his argument was in line with every other leftist argument was very telling and I honestly don't think MrGirl is emotionally mature enough to have half of the conversations he does.
@colkestrel2 жыл бұрын
At 1:31:00 I finally figured out what MrGirl is actually crying about. He is mad that Destiny is platforming someone that MrGirl considers a Nazi. That is what this whole damn thing was about and now I am going to bed.
@GKJusticar552 жыл бұрын
Bro it gets way worse after that.
@jerrywheyland73242 жыл бұрын
He's crying about the way Destiny is platforming Nick. He said this in their first conversation... how did you miss that through his constant interruptions and obtuse accusations? He cited his platforming of Richard Spencer as the "right way" to do it, too. According to Mrgrill: Platforming Nazis is ok if it's done the way that he engaged with Richard Spencer, meaning the entire conversation needs to be about their abhorrent beliefs. Anything beyond that, like 'friendly' chicken dinner with Nick, is "sanitising" which he fears leads to Nick being able to weasel into contact with more creators, thus growing his platform. Wether or not that's true we can't know for certain. There is definitely a case to be made that Nick only appeared on Sneako's channel due to Destiny engaging with both. Sneako's audience is also an audience Nick will be able to siphon some people off of. On the flipside Destiny is only able to convert some of Nick's audience if he engages with him in the way that he does.
@colkestrel2 жыл бұрын
@@jerrywheyland7324 So you can't have a can't say someone has horrible takes while eating a chicken dinner with them? Thats not what it is. Deep down Mrgirl is big mad butthurt Destiny platformed a Nazi.
@jerrywheyland73242 жыл бұрын
@@colkestrel ok.
@meltedsnowman96372 жыл бұрын
@@jerrywheyland7324 It seemed more like Sneako discovered Nick Fuentes through watching Hasan. I struggle to really see any direct link between Sneako first talking to Nick Fuentes from destiny.
@franzsperginand1132 жыл бұрын
Destiny is REALLLLLY good at making terrible online personalities. Mr. Girl is just the latest iteration.
@poadude2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@robbanks14362 жыл бұрын
I am not a fan of Nick but I like him more than Mr. Girl.
@MrGiftedgaber2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's saying something. Nick has horrible ideas but Max just gets annoying as fuck.
@dorsia69382 жыл бұрын
True, how fucking ironic given Mr Girls position lmao
@itryesitr80532 жыл бұрын
hell nah
@LizStaples2 жыл бұрын
This is what Mr Girls real fear is. He doesn’t actually care about Nick being a Nazi he is trying push Nick away from his beloved Destiny
@robbanks14362 жыл бұрын
@@LizStaples I think you are right
@Scott100W2 жыл бұрын
MrGirls criticisms of Nick actually just make Nick more likable for the exact reason that Destiny is stating. Calling Nick Fuentes a Nazi in 2022 only means that he has something interesting to say that doesn't adhere to modern wokeism.
@praneshdabborma65432 жыл бұрын
Should black people marry white people?
@Beale_2 жыл бұрын
Nah Nick is actually a Neo-Nazi. If holocaust denial or "downplaying" isn't a good qualifier idk what is
@Kyfow2 жыл бұрын
It's really a sad state of affairs that destiny would rather align with anti semitic, christian theocracy believing people than someone who's "woke". I guess president sunday was right, destiny gave the guy a lifeline when he needed it and now his fanbase is growing because destiny refuses to denounce people because they didn't say heil hitler in the last 5 minutes
@Scott100W2 жыл бұрын
@@Kyfow In what way is Destiny aligned with anti-semitism or christian theocracy? Also: It's a much sadder state of affairs that people like you would like to silence debate out of fear that your ideas wont win. You don't fight fascism with more fascism 🤮
@Kyfow2 жыл бұрын
@@Scott100W he's aligning with Fuentes by being a friend of his. It's one thing to debate him, it's another to have him come to your house and eat chicken waffles with the guy. I didn't say Destiny should deplatform the guy but there's a big difference between calling for him going to jail and just not being friends with him. Case in point, pathetic dgg people with no ability to facilitate their own opinion suddenly think that nick actually isn't that bad and tickling his balls whenever someone calls out Destiny for befriending and platforming him. This is exactly what mr girl was talking about and smoothbrains like you prove that the damage was done and nick can get away with thinly veiled anti semitism by saying it's just jokes
@RyanMonkeyFace2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl is ass at communicating. It's as simple as that, idk why people pretend otherwise
@randomweeb58752 жыл бұрын
This is the funniest out of nowhere Mr.Girl arc
@_Addi_2 жыл бұрын
I went from really liking him, to thinking he's annoying asf. I hate that he has dropped the entire thing that his content was originally about (empathy and bridging divides) when it comes to nick. He's lost his way. I think this is the start of the end of their friendship.
@AbsoluteBlueCELIS2 жыл бұрын
@@_Addi_ This feels like the wrong idea about MrGirl's thing, he would still be about empathy. I would just argue Mr Girl wishes the engagement was more responsible.
@kalebb71702 жыл бұрын
It's unironically the same 20 minutes of conversation looping for 9 hours I'm dying send help. These can't be considered different videos.
@randomweeb58752 жыл бұрын
@@AbsoluteBlueCELIS @Addi I would say that Mr.Girl right now holds morality as the single most important factor in determining his desired outcomes. The problem with that is he's unwilling to budge on this factor in service of practicality and thus is bonking heads with Destiny right now who believes that progress through compromise on lesser issues is worthwhile.
@_Addi_2 жыл бұрын
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan He didnt say interesting, he said funny.
@Jolts302 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl telling others that they are terminally online goes on to prove he’s terminally online 😂 that part was gold
@NewMaite2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate MrGirl being honest about his rejection of logical arguments in favor of emotional ones. I feel bad for him but I didn't really expect much more from him.
@amazin70062 жыл бұрын
Except he did give a logical argument...
@NewMaite2 жыл бұрын
@@amazin7006 Whether he did or not is irrelevant to my comment when he openly says it towards the end of the video.
@Solidus__2 жыл бұрын
@@NewMaite you think having logical arguments with insane people on the right is going to have some positive outcome? You people are legitimate liars.
@colinchristensen43982 жыл бұрын
@@amazin7006 he said a couple times that he doesn’t really care if it’s perfectly logical just wants him to call him a nazi if he thinks he’s a nazi however he’s also kinda implying he should change his definition of a nazi? That’s what it seems like really odd tho tbh
@NuRm692 жыл бұрын
@@CabbageYe I thank the lord every day for Mr. Girl saving us from Nick Fuentes
@jh46842 жыл бұрын
MrGirl is insufferable and can never be wrong. He constantly shifts the goal posts and he's emotionally manipulative. He won't be happy until you just capitulate and think / say what he wants you to think / say.
@nigelharden27779 ай бұрын
That's true of them both. It's why they could never actually be friends.
@YeahTrip42 жыл бұрын
This whole debate is so frustrating to listen to. Essentially, Mr. Girl wants Destiny to hate the guy he hates. He's like a little kid who's mad he can't control who his friends hang out with. It is so transparent at this point.
@SpikeJet27362 жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting patiently for the day when Destiny drops mrgirl like a sack of bricks. It has to happen at some point, there's no way this will last. He's proven this time and time again that mrgirl doesn't give a fuck about honesty or sympathizing with people or whatever shit he likes to preach. All he cares about is making the conversation about himself and trying to convince people that they're just like him
@r3fus32d132 жыл бұрын
Im sad we had to hear this instead of something with Nick. We all lost braincells on this day m
@anap16802 жыл бұрын
It won't work because I didn't watch cuties
@bett51292 жыл бұрын
Bro get a life
@kevm28962 жыл бұрын
Mr girl is heading towards Vausch status for destiny im sure
@SpikeJet27362 жыл бұрын
@@kevm2896 yeah it's only a matter of time. I mean I never thought Destiny was genuinely friends with the guy. I know he talks to him cause he thinks mrgirl has interesting things to say but that by itself is not really a good foundation for a strong relationship like it's dangling on a thin rope at this point
@terridactyl51522 жыл бұрын
Mr Girl's position isn't unique in regards to progressives, because at the end of the day, he only cares about Destiny using words like antisemite, fascist, and nazi (regardless of definition) as an moral sledgehammer against anyone whom Mr. Girl "hates," in regards to politics.
@ion17342 жыл бұрын
you don't understand Mrgirls point. hes not saying steven has to call him a nazi. hes saying he should be consistent on whether OR NOT he calls him a nazi. by switching back and forth it allows fuentes to do the irony thing where no one knows what he is.
@terridactyl51522 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 no, I'm not misunderstanding. He's being completely disingenuous when he says that, and he does want him to use labels like this, as later in the convo, he attempts to tell Destiny that he needs to make emotional, morality appeals when he talks to people like Fuentes. Using these labels is a way to do this, in his eyes. You couldn't have listened to the entire convo and truly believed this.
@basedcentrist30562 жыл бұрын
He's saying it should be used when it seems to be actually factually applicable. He's not advocating to call Steven Crowder a nazi yet he despises him. So you're just wrong and don't understand what mrgirl is saying
@brunoverasferreira62632 жыл бұрын
@@basedcentrist3056 then the right answer is to never use it, since we're not in Germany and there is no such party in the US.
@elfboy6762 жыл бұрын
@@ion1734 He has 100% said that Steven needs to call him a Nazi. That was a massive part of the discussion before this one. It wasn't about consistency, it was about the fact that Mr. Girl thinks Feuntes is a Nazi and should be called one.
@r3fus32d132 жыл бұрын
mr girl is more emotional than a real girl. Actually blew my mind.
@hotlinewav2 жыл бұрын
@MaztaPan gotem
@JoeMama-gi1so2 жыл бұрын
THAT'S SEXIST!
@gountaa2 жыл бұрын
What is this "real girl" thing you're talking about ?
@mrbanks4562 жыл бұрын
Watching these ad breaks with normal people in it not having maddeningly convoluted meta debates was a genuine breath of fresh air.
@TheAttercop Жыл бұрын
Looking at this in hindsight, why did anyone EVER take MrGirl seriously as a thinker of any kind?
@huliohuliohamijo Жыл бұрын
Because Destiny likes mentally ill people who are above average in intelligence, progressive and obsessed with sex.
@Shinjiku2 жыл бұрын
MrGirl is just mad you took Nick out to dinner before you took him.
@plaguepug20912 жыл бұрын
MrGirl gives off AI vibes.
@Tavat2 жыл бұрын
He does have a robot voice. And some weird evil-robot patterns of argumentation.
@Psycholosopher2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he seems to be an npc in destiny’s hero arc
@XDWASDX2 жыл бұрын
He’s like the IRL version of the villain saying “we’re not so different” while clearly being very different
@Tavat2 жыл бұрын
@@XDWASDX He is VERY different.
@orangesegment56742 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to see Destiny finally standing up to Mr. Girl at 2:31:12
@legin7772 жыл бұрын
10/10
@Michael_Scarn5569 ай бұрын
Mr. Girl- you don’t 100% control your audience. Also Mr. Girl- no you can’t ask your audience because you control them… Jesus Christ😂🤦♂️
@pauliePwalnuts2 жыл бұрын
Dan can't help himself can he? Arguments wrapping up and in comes Dan, "whoever sits down first is a f__king beta fish!" That was hilarious! Keep up the good work!
@nigelharvey6402 жыл бұрын
Destiny had a full mental breakdown the longer this convo went on. Bro but I get it though, the frustration must have numbed his brain. Imagine putting in 150% to understand someone and them say “looks like your obfuscating lmao” 100 times. Me too Destiny… me too… Also Destiny is quite womanly for a name
@Eien.2 жыл бұрын
I do enjoy when Destiny has to deal with what us former Dems have to deal with when talking to current Dems and progressives. The idea of just dealing with someone on the issues is impossible to them. Everything must be labeled and if you don't follow their labels you are just as bad as them.
@garrymiller31712 жыл бұрын
Didn't know Republicans discussed issues. The policy platform of the Republican party for the 2020 election was whatever Trump believes. Luckily there's more former Republican than former Dems. Hell to be accepted by the Republican party you have to deny reality itself. Better not say Trump lost the election or you'll get primary opponent willing to lie about the election. The Republican party's only accomplishment for the past two decades is giving tax cuts to the top 1%
@Tavat2 жыл бұрын
After watching his intimate verbal abuse vids with his girlfriend (ex gf now?), and now these last couple of discussions, it’s pretty clear to me that Mr. Girl is a true narcissist. I realize the term “narcissist” may be subject to the same nebulous forces of abstraction that “Nazi” has undergone, but I’m using it in the clinical DSM-IV-TR definition. He has narcissistic personality disorder and exhibits all of the necessary symptoms. Once you realize this, it kinda makes sense how he argues.
@Tavat2 жыл бұрын
@@Hello-ig1px Nah, just more educated and precise than you are. Don’t get mad, bruh.
@viceanterra32 жыл бұрын
@@Hello-ig1px wait. What? How I'm the world did you even come to that conclusion?
@NewMetaTV2 жыл бұрын
Diagnosing a Person based on videos they willingly put online to uphold an image to the public sounds neither educated nor well reasoned.
@raxxtv19982 жыл бұрын
@@NewMetaTV Except Mr. Girl constantly hammers home the idea that he’s as genuine as possible in his content, and that he is not playing a character. So let’s take him at his word here. OP’s comment is sound
@raxxtv19982 жыл бұрын
Since when did they break up?
@mistapitts2 жыл бұрын
The only criticism I had of Destiny was simply wasting the argument against the wrongful use of Nazi on arguments against Nick Hard to believe that isn't the position he's taking, honestly. That where he shouldn't even bother making the argument in that specific case. Knowing when the argument is just going to fall of deaf ears is something he's typically good at identifying. Max's biggest issue was relying too much on the framing of turning Destiny's viewers into Nazis. It really just went to show a deep misunderstanding of the demographics that his audience is comprised of. I would bet money that less than .05% of Destiny's viewers, if any at all, could be swayed towards favoring Nick's positions in any way. Even if that point was conceded for the sake of argument, I would bet that exponentially more of Nick's audience is becoming more favorable to Destiny's perspective, and the trade-off is pretty clearly worth it. And in the argument of cops shooting vs civilians, there is so much more nuance to unpack than Max gave recognition to.
@karatekevlar2 жыл бұрын
Dude. Who broke mr. Girl? This dude has officially lost it
@ChaseDPatrick2 жыл бұрын
35:50 There it is. The bad faith here is undeniable. Destiny is trying to set up a framework to help him and Mr Girl reach an understanding. Mr Girl consents and lets Destiny ask his question, to which the answer is so clearly "yes," but Mr Girl immediately starts dancing around to avoid giving ANY ground WHATSOEVER! Destiny is obviously trying to set up a bigger point here, and this first question of "Can we both agree on that?" shouldn't even be necessary, in fact I'm sure Destiny meant it as half-rhetorical because he couldn't imagine Mr Girl saying anything other than "yes, obviously." The fact that Mr Girl would seize this rhetorical check-in as a chance to start derailing the conversation -- right after he gave his consent for Destiny to set up a larger point -- shows that he was either afraid of where the conversation was going (in that it would make him look stupid) OR he was just sniffing his farts way too hard and is seething too much to realize how irrational he's being. And then after ALL that posturing, Destiny repeats the question and Mr Girl -- realizing that he is coming off as blatantly bad faith -- decides to drop the entire act and finally give the simple and polite answer he should have given the first time, which was a one-word "yes." It's just gonna be variations of this the entire vid, isn't it? I mean, that's what Max does now I guess. Pretty cringe clout-bait if you ask me.
@XDWASDX2 жыл бұрын
It’s hilarious how short disagreements can be when you say “yes I agree with that part of what you’re saying.” Ceding a little ground is OP.
@TheOriginalKabelo2 жыл бұрын
Good breakdown. But I don’t understand how this isn’t obvious to anyone who’s genuinely listening to what’s actually going on. Me, personally I think Aba’s take on Max is 💯. I’d take it a step further; beyond being a disingenuous, insufferable grifter, he’s actually very stupid.
@dorsia69382 жыл бұрын
@@TheOriginalKabelo For me it seems like he just enjoys the manipulation of conservation and the chaos that starts to happen in people's minds when he talks to him. Even someone as skilled in debates as Destiny has to fucking write shit down in order to generate small progressions the conversation. It's incredible how much Max throws around obfuscation as an accusation when that's all he does.
@ChaseDPatrick2 жыл бұрын
@Andrius B You're just wrong. Destiny asks the question to which the answer is obviously "yes." Mr Girl starts going off on some random bull. Destiny gets confused about why Mr Girl is going off into some bull. Mr Girl realizes he is coming off as blatantly bad faith and drops the act. Destiny asks the question again and Mr Girl answers "yes." At no point between the first and second time he asked the question, and at no point during Mr Girls performance, did Destiny ever expand on what he originally said, rephrase it, or anything similar. Nothing in that time span advanced the conversation in any way shape or form, it was just a question, followed by evasion by Mr Girl, followed by confusion about the evasion from Destiny, and then Destiny just takes the conversation directly backwards and asks the exact same question again. Nothing about the question is ever clarified or explained further, there's no additional context being applied, it is literally the exact same question. But now for whatever reason, Mr Girl is capable of just saying "yes" and doesn't feel the need to spiral off into unrelated nonsense. I wonder why? It couldn't possibly be that he realized he was looking like an idiot.
@TheStatisticalPizza2 жыл бұрын
@@ChaseDPatrick It wasn’t an evasion, the implication of Destiny asking that question in the first place made it seem like he was setting up an argument that neither of them were making so Mr. Girl tried to preempt it. That’s it, that’s literally the entire interaction and you guys are reading into it like it’s some fucking 6D 500 IQ manipulation tactic. Jesus the YT community is so autistic.
@kalebb71702 жыл бұрын
Bro we can't have this exact same conversation for a 3rd video in a row. It's illegal. It's the same 20 minute conversation repeated for 9 hours.
@bookoo01932 жыл бұрын
Seeing real time mr girl moving fence post is intriguing, once it's nailed down that Destiny doesn't view nick as a nazi he jumps straight to the point but you believe he is a fascist after a whole convo about how destiny doesn't like the use of labels seeing mrgirl jumping from one label to the next really shows how everything is literally going over his head. Honestly I'm glade that Destiny is finally not letting mrgirl continuously talk over him 2:46:00 hallelujah thank you Destiny for finally understanding mrgirls tactics 🙃👏👏👏
@skulduggeryvile78872 жыл бұрын
I'm at 1:25:17 and by God is that infuriating to witness
@prizmajeno2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it is going over his head, he just isn't interested. He is a narcisist for sure.
@tetraquil2 жыл бұрын
Max was absolutely insisting that Destiny _use_ the word Nazi, and it was a huge lie when he tried to pretend he wasn't. That's what Destiny accused him of. He never accused him of insisting that he _call_ someone that word, nor did he accuse him of insisting that he _agree_ that someone _was_ a Nazi, but by insisting that he formulate a definition and stake out a claim on whether he _was_ a Nazi, he was insisting that the word be used, whether in the affirmative or in the negative. The entire criticism is of Destiny's avoidance of the word altogether, which is a criticism Destiny disagrees with, because in his view, using the word, regardless of whether you're using it affirmatively ("he IS a Nazi") or negatively ("he is NOT a Nazi") is not effective, and only serves to obfuscate the person's actual views.
@redwoodclimber Жыл бұрын
Watching the Mr. Girl arc over again is so much more frustrating than watching it live. Dude. The minute Destiny capitulated and defined Nazi, Mr Girl lost the conversation. He literally claimed logic is less important than “taking a moral stance.” So glad he faded into irrelevance.
@OMDxPopo2 жыл бұрын
For the love of my brain destiny please just drop Mr Girl. This entire conversation was unbearable to listen to because he either is engaging you with his brain turned all the way off or he is purposely being obtuse as to try and make it seem like you’re making this argument over language to obfuscate protecting Nick. He’s starting to personify the very reasons it’s impossible to talk to people about these subjects.
@Palkia6782 жыл бұрын
He is so unbearably unlikeable
@OMDxPopo2 жыл бұрын
@@Palkia678 These three discussions between him and destiny have been cancer. I think im in stage four abort myself territory from just how hard destiny has tried to get MrGirl to agree on some very low level ground terms and MrGirl has been reluctant to concede any ground because he is too emotionally attached to whatever this dog water argument he is trying to make. His brain is in shut down mode.
@karlholde69012 жыл бұрын
Max seems to want to avoid superficial B's and cut right to the matter, so he talks super aggressively. But when he first talked with Brittany it was clear that his ego gets in the way of this goal. If he thinks you are something and he is "holding you to that" he just stops listening, and the conversation can't continue. Even if the other person is completely open and sincere, there isn't any engagement. He seems to think "If they don't agree with my accusations it must be because they are bs'ing, so I shouldn't just shut them out till they agree"
@Meatwad6502 жыл бұрын
Girlie girl is so misogynistic that he can’t have a rational conversation with a woman.
@dingledan11622 жыл бұрын
Mr. LLLL is STRUGGLING in this conversation. He has almost circled entirely back to being anti-self in ideology.
@willieg.5182 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣Mr. LLLL
@JijonJang2 жыл бұрын
Aba was SO right Last Video MrGirl Doesn't listen and it makes him so annoying to listen to. MrGirl could have good points but to me personally he ALWAYS believes he is right and doesn't give the other side a chance to either defend them or present their points. He always comes off as an asshole in this types of debates and makes himself look bad.
@LamesAMA2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part is how Max is supposedly about understanding people better, yet accuses Destiny of bad faith when all Dest is doing is trying to clarify what Max means.
@JoeSteinerIII2 жыл бұрын
DGG 4 life 😎
@plaguepug20912 жыл бұрын
Yessirrrr
@bobbyjohnson10862 жыл бұрын
DGG is aids Yt chat best chat
@NicholasW9432 жыл бұрын
I hate this arc so much. "Obfuscating" became bland shortly after Nick showed and now they're making MrGirl use it too. The dialogue is uninspiring and the writers should be fired.
@justanothertable2 жыл бұрын
This is the weirdest episode of It's Always Sunny I've ever seen
@lighturpl32 жыл бұрын
Watching a catholic pagan argue with a jewish pagan. So tragic, they'll be fighting forever!!!
@goldbyrd36672 жыл бұрын
Fighting over the last bit of clout in a hellish limbo for eternity
@KryoTronic2 жыл бұрын
I respect destiny more and more by the day. He ain't perfect, neither am I, but he seems like he has integrity and thats becoming rare these days.
@subury2532 жыл бұрын
Are we just now noticing Mr girl sucks to talk to? Talks way more than anyone else, interrupts everyone and whines when he doesn't feel like he gets a chance to speak. It's infuriating
@Arc_Eden2 жыл бұрын
Mr Girl: cripple your arguments by getting emotional and calling your opponents bad people...... wtf is he on???
@andx79 Жыл бұрын
This guy is abusive and manipulative in the extreme. What a creepy guy. It's crazy that this guy is so insistent the destiny take a moral stance it seems like he is virtue signaling. almost like he's trying to hide something
@iLink82 жыл бұрын
Mr. Girl is literally advocating for virtue signaling.
@youtubian2500 Жыл бұрын
Max: "You don't trust me enough, we'll have to work on that" Also Max: "You sexually abuse women with your power" Makes it pretty clear what he meant there. Hindsight ☕️
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
Remember him saying “well give me blackmail and you’ll see if you can trust me” in the debate after his creepy and abusive video with Max’s girlfriend? How the fuck did Destiny ever fall for this shit
@Jrez Жыл бұрын
"Mr. Girl is my friend." - Steven "Destiny" Bonnell II
@PooeyBum112 жыл бұрын
Mr girls problem: Mr girl: should the police be able to shoot a rioter Destiny: you need to be more specific than that, the word rioter is so broad it can mean anything from a 5 year old lighting something on fire to a group of guys lighting a building on fire with a family trapped inside. Mr girl: destiny your obfuscating, you obviously know I don’t mean the 5 year old. What destiny should have said: I never thought you meant a 5 year old, the 5 year old was just an extreme example to show you how broad the spectrum that ‘rioter’ is. That is why you max need to tell me the specific context, because the appropriate response to a rioter can be anything from the police taking almost no action all the way up to using lethal force. Mr girl is constantly missing the point then going on 30 minute tangents explaining how the other person is gaslighting or obfuscating when he’s actually in the wrong. M It’s annoying that mr girl constantly misses the point, but if he could at least extend the slightest bit of charity to destiny and instead calmly explain what he actually means instead of trying to accuse destiny of gaslighting or obfuscating they would be able to at least move past the misunderstanding and then get to the interesting part of the discussion, but max ego is so big, he thinks he’s being the most clear and honest streamer and wants to try and nail destiny to the cross any time he thinks he’s caught him out on something just to show to the audience that he’s winning.
@Kanecobond2 жыл бұрын
THIS
@wordplaywalkways51872 жыл бұрын
I think Max thinks that because him and Steven have a similar definition of Nazi, not getting a direct answer to “does X person fit the category of Nazi?” Feels like a weasel. While Steven wishes to answer in a wholistic way that addresses why Max’s question only allows for one use of the word, Max thinks it doesn’t matter because “It’s me. WE are having the conversation, Steven. I’m not an SJW trying to moralize.” I think Max would still have issues with Steven’s platforming of Nick, but it would remove the “ambiguous” (in Max’s eyes) elements. But Steven thinks it’s already ambiguous, because others destroyed the word. A comical drain circling.
@genshishio93162 жыл бұрын
Probably the kindest way I’ve seen someone put it. And your probably right.
@geniustracks92132 жыл бұрын
This doesn't seem to be inspired by the actual disagreement - but more-so inspired by Max's obsession with being controlling. "When a control-freak meets someone he's quasi-stand-offishly-maybe just a little bit - willing to be controlled BY, and can't seem to control, and the psychological turmoil that this creates...is the title, in my head."
@Alaric112 жыл бұрын
Max actually thinks he is smart when he just spent 3 hours saying that "I think nazi's are bad" like he just came up with a brilliant advancement in morality.
@killroycantkill2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that Mr. Girl is trying to get Destiny to define "Nazi" and moralize the usage of the word when his whole rise on streaming was based on that fact that he doesn't think he should have to appeal to the morals of people when he uses the word "pedophile" and doesn't want to have to tell other people whether or not he is one just because he makes jokes about it. Kind of wild.
@jbroheme2 жыл бұрын
Labeling people is lazy, focusing on issues is the real work. Mr. Girl why don't you talk to Nick, and attack he's views instead of asking someone else about some one else's views? That seems cowardly and spineless.
@bumbaclot8132 жыл бұрын
The fact that people have so much space in their brains to actually think so deep into a conversation and a few meet ups with two polar opposite people is more interesting to me than anything else. I'm obviously an idiot because I don't get it.
@killerqueen8732 жыл бұрын
Same but I'm learning a tiny bit every conversation which is what I like about destiny he's really accessable
@XDWASDX2 жыл бұрын
I’m more fascinated by the cosmic coincidences that must’ve occurred for people incapable of critical thought to gain such a large following.
@bumbaclot8132 жыл бұрын
@@XDWASDX lol
@bumbaclot8132 жыл бұрын
@@Carnifindion you're right! A meal of champions. Or fascists idk.
@jsaktony12 жыл бұрын
I can’t stand Mr. Girl…. I don’t follow any of his content, only his interactions with Destiny. These interactions are infuriating. I’m 1.5 hours in and the ENTIRE discussion thus far is circular, where Max asks a question and Destiny answers, but Max has to ask 2 or 3 more times because he doesn’t like the answer.
@chasepalagi76758 ай бұрын
Language is actually pretty straightforward. The problem arises when people use words colloquially, which constitutes most of internet discussion. If you are speaking casually to convey a thumbnail sketch of a broad picture, you are okay with the finer details getting lost in the weeds. Another thing, most people don't concern themselves with a broader vocabulary and what's more, it seems to be frowned up for people to use "big words" which again is a thumbnail description. Even "esoteric" or "dated" or "archaic" Would normally better describe " big words. Words have meaning. Either identity the type of discussion you are having with someone and speak accordingly or don't and be ready to have the goal posts moved. As for "what is a woman" ? That is fairly straightforward. To act like characteristics shared by a vast majority of women negates the fact that they are woman, or to shoe-horn other people that don't share the characteristics of a majority of the collective, is disingenuous at best, and an abuse of language at worst. People act like assuming the sex of someone based on their looks, and voice isn't effective over 99% of the time. It's like justice Scalia colloquially said in regards to not being able to clearly define "porn" "I know it when I see it" I think if everyone was honest, things would be much simpler.