MrGirl Orbiters Interrogate Destiny And Lav's DM To Groyper That Mass Flagged MrGirl

[@destiny]

MrGirl arc final wrap up part 1/2 "SHE WASN'T UNDERAGED" - Hasan Responds To INSANE Allegations, Leaks All DMs ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5vJlnabotynbMk Destiny Finds Out What Lav Said About Him In Private ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqjNeYWsadypl7M Destiny Shows MrGirl Allegation DMs And Aba Finally WEIGHS In ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYiuq4WLjZiihZo "Sorry For Getting Emotional" A MrGirl Bridge Blows Up Live ft. Aba And ChudLogic ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2i6fqKvlMmHq5o

[@thomasprogli3372]

So why not just sue for diffamation? Or are you trying to make Jerry Springer competition? ... come on man, your content is usually more deep than this. It bores the eF out of me.

[@bskiez]

All he had to do is reach out to Bad Bunny and your ex Erin then his case becomes a lot more credible. MrGirl is coming up but more so he enjoys that you're panicking. I wish you didn't sleep with so many women but it's your life I respect your decisions.

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

@@bskiez Which one is Erin? Also, Destiny doesn't run this page. You’re talking to August.

[@bskiez]

@@unconcernedcitizen4092 who's August?

[@bskiez]

@@unconcernedcitizen4092 Erin as in the ex he cheated on 3 times maybe I'm spelling it wrong.

[@dylansevitt]

Nobody going to mention that destiny has gotten almost 200K subscribers in the past year all on the back of factorio without giving the game any credit in any of his videos. I believe it's time to talk out in name of this real abuse victim

[@heathchapman7528]

The real victim is based nick

[@shanemoore6182]

He was talking up Factorio to Lex just last week 😭

[@MADDcartman]

What if Factorio has become sentient, and has orchestrated this whole arc?

[@Seronas10]

Objection! He name drops the game every stream! :D

[@iz2333]

No you got it all backwards! Destiny is another victim, Factorio is actually in control here and not allowing him to leave it. He's doing it's bidding by luring more people into the factory cult. Destiny is basically Sheylin in this relationship.

[@TotallyNotMark]

When Destiny says he enjoys the sport of all of this I believe him. And over the years he's navigated the circumstances that such an attitude has yielded really well. He's built a career out of performing verbal duals against increasingly sharper swords and coming out on top. However if this situation has indicated anything, it's that this approach will continue to produce sharper and more adept adversaries for Destiny to best. And eventually he'll fall. It's a compelling story, that's made even more interesting by the fact he's got a girl's name.

[@insanedvo]

I’m surprised to see you here

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

The fact that Mark is here means Destiny truly is reaching an all-new crossover demographic 😂

[@Mmmm-tx6qc]

Man wrote an epilouge speech

[@nineteen96]

He needs to grow up imo

[@regularchr1s932]

You think destiny would make it in the one piece world

[@phillipfragrance16]

Destiny needs to look inwards. The fact that he even trusted Lav, Mr Girl or Ana in the first place is crazy.

[@Sarnatuile]

That's easy to say from an outside perspective, but when you're in the actual situation, it's way different.

[@Kuroganemk2]

Think he deflected this last time by blaming other people saying that he should be more charitable to others... Meaning that he knew the red flags but 'ignored' them because he wanted to give them a chance lol

[@uszpdoz]

Dude for normie destiny is the massive red flag himself and he recognized that too lolol.

[@ProFrybag]

It’s all about content man. He knew what these people were like, and he knew it would make good content, he seen the dollar signs.

[@toby9364]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ truuuuuuu

[@cinderyn991]

Overall I think this season really shows what Destiny is capable of when surrounded by a good cast. However, the inclusion of MrGirl always felt a bit off. You could tell he's not an experienced actor (the dead stares really don't highlight his emotional range) and he's basically been given plot armor for the whole season. It also feels very unrealistic that he still retained his orbiters even after his Bridge Burn arc which maybe there is more context for but the writers didn't really show it. Aba is still a great addition to the plot and is imo deserving of a spin-off at some point.

[@MegaFIare]

Top comment

[@ultragamer4465]

The Aba IRL filler arc had more character development than the rest of the whole seasons arcs combined

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Top high effort comment.

[@SmarkAngel]

Why are these people all so WEIRD?! "Oh I need to ask him about his underlying ethics and what he would do." No stupid! Ask him if he can present his evidence otherwise DON'T BELIEVE HIM. Absolute freaks of nature. No one acts this way in real life.

[@therainman7777]

They’re all so weird because they spend all their time on the internet and probably don’t have any healthy relationships in real life.

[@jenispizz2556]

Thank you for saying this. I've been completely mindfucked by people like Smeth in my personal life. As a kid, I was seriously emotionally abused by my father. He weilded people like Smeth to create confusion and cover for what he was doing. It was always to his advantage that there were "two sides to every story." While that's true in some context, it's not true in matters of fact. There was unambiguous abuse going on in my house but the confusion these people sewed in my life kept me trapped there, unable to advocate for myself. I had to be exposed to average people to see how warped my reality had become, and finally break free. Please, to anyone who ignorantly navigates dynamics like this, don't insert yourself into serious stuff like conversations on abuse. There will never be some sort of need for you to, "hammer out the ethics" of someone else's shit. If an abuser is smart enough, you'll just become a tool to discourage the victim.

[@Sam-rq2mx]

Yeah literally the weirdest mfers

[@frumtheground]

Definitely these people are not fkn normal. But trust me, there are people who act this way irl. You just almost never see them all in one place outside of the internet. There's a reason MrGirl's audience is mostly made of people like this.

[@HK-th1sw]

Preach, it’s like people diving real deep trying to understand the motives of serial killers or something

[@Ghee_Buttersnaps]

So it turns out Mr.Girl was a Wolf in Wolf's clothing this whole time!! 😱😱😱 *99.98% Unforeseeable!!!* 🤯🤯🤯

[@ce2araybara226]

Ya the red flags were more like a red sea

[@xokirei]

wolf in dire wolf skin

[@BBBerti]

That's being disrespectful to wolves cause wolves are awesome, he's a parasite that got forcefully removed

[@BBBerti]

Destiny and the parasite were in a symbiotic relationship but the parasite started sucking too much and there were dangers of disease, he got removed too late and now Destiny is fighting the disease. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[@Nedak2003]

Damn bruh

[@kenjinsakura]

I hate this drama and I hate myself for watching it.

[@cliftongibson9456]

It feels good to say I told you so tho doesn’t it? Lol

[@mikasasukasa4479]

Nah it's great. It was like watching MrGirl burn, now it's time to see a side of Destiny's side burn. I'm a fan of his, but holy shit his enabling of Ana, MrGirl, & Lav, and even probably Annalicia now is irresponsible for his viewers. The dude has a problem.

[@iz2333]

I love it, it's so much fun. Like the worst reality TV shows but actually real.

[@iz2333]

@@lazcoroner1483 I doubt they're all computer generated models, pretty sure those are real humans that actually hate each other.

[@punishedf]

Life is a waste of time anyway

[@timftw6420]

Aba, Dan, Viewers, anyone could have foreseen this coming but destiny for some reason isn't able to see and accept the truth when it's right infront of him. Hopefully he'll grow in this area and finally accept the fact that Destiny is a girls name

[@beewest5704]

Its all about perspective. Its easy to see when you have some distance & you are not super involved. Ppl in the comments should not act like they have not done the same thing as Destiny when everybody else warned us against someone. We all dated or befriended the wrong person while we were warned about them until it was too late. We should give him more charity.

[@alswisha8519]

He saw it coming in one of their first convos he said this would happen lol

[@Conantas]

@@beewest5704 If this was the first or even like fifth time he's done this, I'd get being more charitable, but this has happened soooo many times and the most stable people in his life point it out to him and he doesn't listen. This isn't new thing, it only gets more deranged each time it happens, and it will most likely happen again.

[@laughterenthusiast1454]

I think it's because he related to them in a deeper way than most people he knows. Which is concerning tbh.

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

God dammit it's always the comment that says "read more" that fucking gets me

[@JayJaytheScrub]

This dude is why our legal system has a presumption of innocence. This convo is absurd

[@bestdjaf7499]

That's why we disapprove Politicians who take money. Politicians who take money from lobbyist, don't have to do anything. The same excuse Destiny gives. Like Harvey Weinstein. Did Harvey Weinstein promised women the roles? Do politicians promis anything to their donors? Destiny is playing stupid like any politician would do. "Oh, I didn't make them to give me money. They just gave me money & it was concentual. I didn't promise anything".

[@RokuNyx]

Yep. Online people seem to just believe anyone with any allegation even without proof.

[@yolooo5081]

@@deang8910 His sicko "horses" are everywhere.

[@ShmoeBoe]

@@deang8910I think you should first engage with his proposition without bias. After you come to a unbiased conclusion you then apply the bias that might change your opinion. Applying bias real time to a person's opinion is extremely difficult to do well. Doing it well is fine, but if you can't it just seems like you are picking sides. *for clarity I agree with destiny position. But i don't think he came to his conclusion in the best way he could.

[@bestdjaf7499]

@@deang8910 You can say it, but I don't like Mr.Girl. I also think, what Destiny does is unethical. Destiny has platform & can start or destroy careers. Like a politician or movie producer... Destiny has power & influence. Now the question, is it ok for Destiny to accept money or sex? My position is, it's unethical. You don't bring people you sleep with to your job. You don't accept money from lobbyists for the same reason. Even if you say that Destiny doesn't bring every person he sleeps with to his streams, still there is a conflict. I bet Politicians don't always do what the lobbyists are expecting them to do. But we know that Politicians shouldn't take money or sex from the lobbyists. * Well, Destiny says that it's unethical for Communists/Socialists behave like Hasan or Vaush! I am 100% agree. My point that Destiny shouldn't promote people who he sleep with either.

[@silkyjohnson3346]

I can't actually believe that mrgirl has fans.

[@Coffeewiththegods]

*cult members

[@megadong2398]

Honestly I think it's just Smeth behind every account.

[@EE-jp5ev]

@Guy Dude Nah I'm cool with these dudes that are ok with someone going through all your friends and accusing you of sexual abuse based on no evidence drinking the Kool aid. If they were just keeping their autism to themselves it would be fine but they are actively and passionately arguing for the right to make baseless accusations to everyone you consider friends when you hurt their feelings

[@Kayzewolf]

Considering other certain terrible figure heads have fans, it’s believable. Just sad.

[@rjaymurphy]

"steeeeeeven, i love you." "i would never betray you" mr gaslight 2022 😂

[@harryb12993]

I need you to trust me 100%

[@jonkas8521]

Still remember cringing watching him repeatedly beg Destiny to be his friend, and then begging for his full trust. He was basically damand/begging Destiny to magical invent a lifetime level friendship with someone that just appeared in his life

[@KnightEnjoyer69]

The mrgirl fan basicacly said: if he manage to twist his answers enough to manipulate me, ill still be a fan.

[@GingerDrums]

True!

[@EGstill85]

And that's exactly what ended up occurring on the "interrogation" stream

[@mharris4264]

Bro said "I'd be disappointed". MrGirl made a huge stink about accusations with no substantiating evidence and did the same. If I were a fan I would've already been disappointed.

[@mharris4264]

Bro said "I'd be disappointed". MrGirl made a huge stink about accusations with no substantiating evidence and did the same. If I were a fan I would've already been disappointed.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Aye, Destiny was sure early on in the conversation there is almost nothing that can make Smeth stop being Mr. Girl's stan

[@thecheebsy]

Remember everyone, Destiny loves this. He stated on stream something like “Nothing gives me that competitive rush like really emotional people trying to ruin my life.” With that being said, I’m still here for it.

[@t-poison1731]

You are misunderstanding: he said he loves it but when other ppl get dragged it its stressful in a bad way. that's why he didn't can much when bob7 attacked him its that Bob7 was creating false narratives

[@ericapaquette9624]

Oh ya he was arrogant let him enjoy this circus show. Anyone with common sense wouldn't have entertained Lav or Mr.Girl they reek of red flags. BRAVO Destiny enjoy the 💩 show.

[@jarofpickles4057]

"I love this" Destiny as he's rigged into an iron lung sustaining him via potent, raw copium

[@thecheebsy]

@@t-poison1731 I mean others getting dragged in to it should be expected at this point. As you said it’s happened before.

[@phoenix___7747]

That statement has its limits, and the accusations from Mr Girl are far beyond that.

[@outpacedintellectual9824]

Imagine admitting publicly that you're a MrGirl fan.

[@wisemage0]

I listen to MrGirl's music, Chris Brown's music, and R. Kelly's music: all at the same time.

[@Blank9458]

@@wisemage0 at least there are two good artist in that list

[@wisemage0]

@@Blank9458 Oh come on, Chris Brown didn't fall off that hard.

[@Blank9458]

@@wisemage0 😂😂😂

[@ethanstapley7018]

I am. I think Destiny calling him a literal rapist is a foregone conclusion.

[@danj2373]

Smeth is like a parody of what I would expect a MrGirl fan to be.

[@patty40897]

Smeth literally makes everything he touches worse. Thats what he has done since the MrGirl arc started. If he and Elderdrazi are still fans of MrGirl after the "interogation" .... Im just lost for words.

[@AspiringSpaceWizard]

Hes annoying but didnt seem that bad. I also dont know all the backstory with him

[@patty40897]

@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 holy fuck no he didnt. As much as I think Erudite said some not so nice things to Smeth. The "who the fuck are you" isnt a good look. However Erudite was the one actually calling to stop the conversation cause Lav was getting more upset and gave Lav a solid piece of advice of getting of the internet. Smeth was 100% getting Lav more upset and just started the screaming. That convo would have ended within 5 mins if Smeth hadnt joined. That whole conversation should however have been 1 on 1 with Chud or Erudite (or someone else) or she simply shouldnt have joined at all.

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 how?

[@scoopydooder]

@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 found the Smeth sock account

[@spider1k460]

“I’m emotionally confused” ~ Mr. Girl fan

[@ShinyFood]

aka I don't have an opinion without someone telling me what to believe

[@wout4yt]

Yeah, cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

[@deadams8905]

That is mr.girl's interpersonal specialty

[@GreatKingEd]

The one really good lesson I think this has re-enforced in me is that, even for smart people who know a lot, it can be truly difficult to see yourself, your situation, and things close to you clearly and truly. Even when it's apparent to everyone else. We really need to work at carving out that virtue always and have the humility to listen to others' insights fairly when they concern us.

[@nr-dx4zz]

Destiny needs to work on that girls name

[@MrSenserus]

Hahahaha calm down Aristotle

[@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS]

Based and true.

[@jamesdecost6009]

Mr girl has already had “two swords” and both completely bombed to the point that mr girl is distancing and fighting with them. Anyone with a brain can see this isn’t a case of personal perspective, or max thinking he is doing the right thing. This is 100 percent the case of mr girl doing whatever he can to attack destiny. Honestly ask yourself how many “swords” does mr girl have to tear through before people realize he is not honestly investigating anything, and that he is just trying to attack destiny. The funniest part of all this is this thing he was upset with destiny over initially was destiny major political project he had been working in for over a year if not years. If mr girl was half as smart as he claims he would have recognize how major a deal it was for destiny to drop his major political project for him. Now you could argue destiny didn’t drop it for mr girl, but did it in principle, but destiny knows how these people are, and then doing this type of stuff destiny knew before starting his project. He wasn’t doing the project for a handful of leaders in the community, but for the community as a whole. He dropped the project because it was impossible to keep doing the project with max as a friend.

[@furyberserk]

That's stupid. The ability for introspection and reflecting on actions need to be paired with success and not failure. I'd be better to just tell people exactly what they are missing. I did what you said and it was 8 months of wasted false improvement. It would have been better if people just told me what I was doing wrong and then I try it out. People act not because it's right, but for success. If the means for it are bad or changes, it'll be harder to adapt If you ignore how and why it failed. And successful bad people ignore a lot.

[@andrewb9409]

Destiny - “Yeah that 1 convo with X was really weird.” Everyone else - “Every conversation with him is weird.”

[@JimC607]

Not tryna pretend like I'm smarter than Destiny, but pretty much everyone could see this coming. Max and Lav are 2 people who I wouldn't trust further than I can piss with no hands. Although this whole situation has been pretty entertaining I still look forward to a day when we ain't talking about either of them anymore.

[@HK-th1sw]

Yeah I don’t think mr girls a good manipulator at all. Maybe he’s good at catching certain people off guard that think he’s “interesting” and look at how he talks as “just straightforward” or some shit but cmon..

[@wydmark]

Also the only reason these people are even giving Dan and him attention is because they are rich. They have never been the popular kids getting box, but now that they are getting ass and attention, they think it’s because their personality is great😭😭 This 5’6 30 year old gamer thinks he has an IG Model wife because of his personality 😭 Then the bootlickers bring up his old gf like she looks like any of the girls he chills with now😭😭😭🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mitchfindergeneral]

I'm super glad you talked to these guys, because it gave a really good window into what can happen to your mind in these really weird scenarios where you are a fan of someone whose content is so deeply manipulative at its core.

[@kjk607]

Just don't be a fan of anyone. Being a fan is an L anyway.

[@johns1625]

Me and Stefan Molyneux in 2014 Felt bad man

[@ayylmao3698]

MrGirl was an interesting person a shame he had to be that much more unhinged than previously shown, but man am i glad that Lav is gone.

[@neverusingthisagain2]

Hes so much better than annalis

[@ALulzyApprentice]

His handle is Mr Girl. Agree on the Lav thing.

[@yassi9734]

@@neverusingthisagain2 I would take Mr.Girl over her screeching any day 😭

[@redshift912]

Found him to be really annoying as well as lav . Dan sucks too but I know he’s never going anywhere

[@Iliceon]

To me he was terribly boring Listening to his circular arguments, dramatic, faux emotional statements, mind reading and refusal to take a single point that doesn't agree with his pre-established world view was like nails on a chalkboard from day 1

[@NoahMoorman]

This smeth guy is the "no problem is fixed unless I fix it." Person

[@NoahMoorman]

@@diobrando6910 lol

[@goddessrick8734]

Everything is on a spectrum and it's ok to humor the idea of all unsubstantiated sexual abuse allegations from a guy whose said consent from his girlfriend is a turn off. Literally every Mr.Girl fan.

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

Abuse? I didn't mean that kind of abuse silly. I just meant being mean to me. Teeheehee

[@andrewb9409]

Is truth a fact on a spectrum?

[@williamking256]

Vaush fans at this point are all pretty stupid. But Mr. Girl fans at this point are all pretty evil.

[@staticpoko]

When did he say consent is a turn off?

[@JS55505]

*everyone

[@nastynate2005]

"coming at it very seriously" then on the stream..ask the most soft ball questions and accepts everything. Jesus it was terrible watching these guys "interrogate"

[@LordKeram]

He said: If he doesn't answer my questions I will be heartbroken. Obviously biased from the get go.

[@Xemaine]

Interrogation of Mr. Girl? That orbiter didn't do his due diligence or he is just trying to backpack off of the clout surrounding the issue. There's video and audio footage of everything that condemns Mr. Girl, Lav, and anyone else who played a role. There are no questions needed to be asked.

[@GingerDrums]

My father has full blown NPD. It's tragic to see well meaning people caught in their net. There is never a lie too low, there is no dignity to save. Only distance will save you from them and their self destructive cycle. Run. Run. Run.

[@twinkletoes8094]

My Fiancés mother was like that as well. We ended up needing to get a restraining order and made the decision to move across the country. Best decision we've ever made.

[@GingerDrums]

@@twinkletoes8094 glad we got out! It's been interesting watching Mrgirl and his mortification. I thought he was genuinely interesting, no doubt interested In part by that dynamic. Sam Vakin on KZbin is a fantastic source of up to date research on NPD.

[@mmarrrtn]

Actually, the people that are still enthusiastic mrgirl fans really make the enjoy the quote from Stevens mother(?); "Don't let your mind be so open that your brain falls out"

[@JijonJang]

Something I have noticed about Mr.girl fans is how they cannot answer simple question instead they will either deflect or try to say something more profound then what it is

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

You can here there programming glitch as they think of a deflection. "Uh""Umm".

[@dank_tomatoes1165]

Damn, I didn't know there was a sequel arc to this Mr girl drama

[@Conantas]

The Mr. Girl saga has only just begun

[@nvoitek]

It's impressive that Destiny has almost broken through the mental barrier of blind trust live.

[@ThatDarnIrishMan]

Whoever the second guy is, dammit, he's somehow as bad as the first. "Convince me that MrGirl is lying." "Nothing I say can convince you at this point." "I'm good faith, try me, I'll have to rethink my support if you catch him in a lie" Immediately gets shown the Lav lie, agrees it's a lie but "it's okay, it's an acceptable level of manipulation" lol Destiny called both of these conversations before even having them.

[@CJExtreme98]

“Even if I’m guilty, he’s wrong. Because he shouldn’t be making those accusations without evidence.” 💯

[@curstdragon]

"NO, WAIT! I don't love you, I hate you." I was driving when I heard this and laughed so heard I thought I might have to pull over.

[@Altitudes]

What people have to understand about people like Mr Girl is that they love taunting you. They love dangling exactly what they are in your face and still being able to deny it. That's always been his game. This guy actually released a video of him with his girlfriend, talking about sex, and said "You have to have sex with me". He said "You have to" more than once. And then he gives himself the get out clause of "Well, what I mean is you have to in order to continue this relationship" to completely reframe the thing we all know he's saying - that he's got her wrapped around his finger and she'll do what he wants. The conversation was about how he wants to have sex with her and "not care about how she feels". This is emblematic of every Mr Girl story ever. That's not even mentioning where he reduced her to tears and then smiled at the camera. What's happening now is why I've always despised the guy and why I've felt to gaslit by anyone trying to defend him.

[@Altitudes]

@@fredjenner Partly the tactic is that by admitting everything, saying everything, they can never be dishonest. They can just say you didn't understand them. It's a great technique. Don't deny anything, just offer an interpretation in which you're not the bad guy and everyone around you is wrong and should feel guilty for not understanding you. This is actually so effective people will start doing it for you. Which is the position Destiny got in. He'd charitably reinterpret the most bizarre things and Mr Girl could lap it up. Thing is, it's not easy, and Mr Girl is really good at it, but it's actually not that hard to manipulate people. We've all told lies and got away with it. We've all convinced someone to get our own way. The hard part is lacking enough empathy to keep doing it constantly. It's why so many people get away with having affairs - because they're motivated enough by the affair to keep the lies and manipulation going even if the cheating is tearing them up inside. But people like Mr Girl, they don't need the incentive of an affair, they're just broken enough that they feed off the act. They love manipulating people and so it's easy for them to maintain.

[@precious7754]

He found her sobbing hysterical. Terrifying.

[@daisy291]

The only place destiny isn't able to able apply cold, hard logic is in sexual, personal matters. We all have our weaknesses, but when it's so clear to so many others it would help to listen. Aba, Dan, we all saw it coming.

[@Niegde]

Sad but true!

[@knes167]

The LavLoony and other girl thing sure. But Mr Girl just seemed like a fruit loop, not full-on Joker with his own Harley Quinn

[@punishedf]

Destiny positions are all emotional, he is just good at rationalizing these emotions.

[@therainman7777]

@@punishedf That’s true for virtually everyone though. However rational we like to think we are, all the data shows that we arrive at our positions via our emotions and then use our rationality to try to justify it.

[@cipherenigma]

@@punishedf Based

[@TeddyOG]

These guys should start a Red Cross because they are unbelievably generous lol. Every point D tries to make 'Well I could see Max meant X or felt Y'. I get balanced investigating but it's frustrating to see people never stake a single point

[@rdg7250]

The caller is a cult member and Destiny said this is fun for him so why is he so angry.

[@xxmegagallade47]

Ever see someone get mad at a game but still play it every day?

[@mikasasukasa4479]

the internet is using a cool term for this. it's called "coping"

[@TheJordanK]

The least shocking situation continues to play out. I’m sure it will resolve itself very peacefully. 😊

[@JBTFan124]

There's nothing Maxx can say to this first guy that will make him not love Maxx

[@doom_n_boom9939]

Give praise to the person editing all this! it's so good!! I can't put my popcorn down and continue to wait patiently for the rest.

[@TeQuilloni]

We all knew the interrogation would go bad cuz they're huge fans of him so the softballs were a given but Max said unhinged shit himself voluntarily during and that was really uncomfortable to watch when he kept calling Lav, his daughter and their drama with Destiny as "family matters" He needs a long break from everything and I hope he will stop after the documentary. Max really needs to start over cuz this road ain't it chief.

[@iz2333]

He's 37 years old and his entire career and persona revolve around being a manipulative creep. He's consistently said that he is not willing to ever change the way he expresses himself and is convinced that it's impossible to understand him while also disagreeing. I don't think it's realistic that he's randomly going to turn into a normal person after this.

[@averageandy7331]

Where can I watch this "interrogation "?

[@TeQuilloni]

@@averageandy7331 it will be in part 2 for sure cuz destiny watched it during the stream so just wait for August to put it out

[@iz2333]

@@averageandy7331 I think it's going to be uploaded in a couple hours or tomorrow. If you don't want to wait you can watch yesterday's VOD in the "Stream VODs" playlist, it was the last 3 hours.

[@averageandy7331]

Thanks i found the video but will wait for destiny's reaction. My body is ready

[@milkcatdog394]

Mr.Girl, Lav, and Ana betrays Destiny Destiny: *surprised pikachu face*

[@Manusmusic]

The grim thing in that Max R story is that the whole image makes it worse when you understand how victims can act: they will make a traumatizing event ok in their head by continuing the relationship. Also enjoying the act due to natural reasons fucks up with the guilt as well

[@vikkipink1288]

I think it’s worth pointing out to people that max is most likely a vulnerable narcissist. Just get on stream and read out some information about them and show some examples of max fits that definition perfectly. Also vulnerable narcissists are some of the most difficult ones to pin down unless you know what you’re looking for. They tend to do a much better job of hiding their narcissistic tendencies and maladaptive behaviors behind a veneer of victimization and fake empathy. My dad is one and it took my family years to figure it out. That man will make you feel so loved and special and turn around and screw you over in two seconds if he wants to. Every time he will find a way to justify it in his head. Like he somehow found a way to blame me for our relationship falling apart when I was freaking 12 years old. He really believes all his lies and bs too. The first conversation I watched of you talking to max I was spamming the comments with all the red flags for vulnerable narcissism I saw in him.

[@fredericobrink259]

Dude has the amazing ability to read into , analyze and walk through an argument point by point which requires a lot of listening, but when it comes to listening and following advice destiny has been known to screw up. Max was a misstep and Lav and Ana were mistakes everyone warned him about. Feel like he should have a more humble approach to his actual friends and wife when it comes to this stuff.

[@kabutoex2]

im just speechless these people are so willing to not face any of the facts of the situation is crazy

[@br4n905senkugo]

dude: mr.girl is not a manipulator destiny: i have the twitter video of obvious manipulation red handed want to watch? dude: No. but mr.girl also isnt a manipulator still 🤷‍♂ the people he gotta deal with. glad i have 1 best friend, a wife, and a child, all this crazy drama shit is not worth a lot of friends

[@zestylem0n]

Destiny's patience with orbiter 2 was biblical lol, he was a pretty logical person in everything not involving Mr girl which made it infuriating when he showed a massive Blindspot every time a criticism of max came up.

[@maxmustermann9058]

Destiny and MrGirl should end this with a rap battle, each dropping the sickest diss they can manage. Would get good views too.

[@dtubbs]

August out here burning the midnight oil for us 🫡🫡🫡

[@itachi65ful]

When dealing with a narcissist focus on their intentions behind their words and or actions. Don't trust anything they say or do.

[@LopineRK]

This should have been labeled a workout stream, after all the mental gymnastics I just saw mrgirl orbiters do.

[@AlwaysReason]

The first guy: "I'm emotionally confused". Yes, you are. You need therapy to help you stop getting emotionally invested in people on the screen.

[@Insidedopeminds]

“Wait “ “Yeah” “I don’t love you” Sounds like a conversation I’ve had w my dad😂

[@theslyngl]

It's easy for us on the outside to judge Steven for not being able to see the obvious nature of things. We need to remember that when you're the one in it sometimes it's very difficult to see the forest for all the trees. Since Steven now finally seems to have made it out of the woods I hope those closest to him will be there to support him and tell him it's okay, we're here for you - it's time to accept that Destiny, quite clearly, is a girl's name.

[@wren4077]

I would understand this for MrGirl maybe. Since he's so good at twisting and manipulating narratives and discussions. I found MrGirl just a few weeks before he came into destinýs orbit and I kinda liked his content. What little I'd seen. The more I saw, the less i liked. It felt like he was just trying to hammer nuance into things where it wasn't necessary. And then even with destiny, like he says all the time, destiny was like a translator for mrgirl. I never really needed translations. I understood what he was tryini to say nd still thought he was weird for focusing on that kind of content. But I would still understand why destiny would be blindsided by him, to an extent. Fucking lav though. Why he pretends and still defends calling her "intelligent" is beyond me. Flipflopping through points, then resorting to emotional appeals when cornered aren't signs of intelligence. That's a grown child. But destiny presents it like "well no one can pin her down on her stances and she still escapes getting cornered, nd she runs circles around everyone on these panels ". Literally no. All she does is cry and call herself a child or autistic or interpersonally challenged. Yea I don't see why destiny didn't see that coming at all or defended her even a little bit at all.

[@acew2306]

@@wren4077 She's intelligent in terms of raw cognitive capacity, but her ego puts a HARD cap on what she is able to do with that intelligence. She's not an understanding or empathic person because she thinks she's the fucking best, humility is required to grow the intellect. Being spoiled, rich and pretty will do that to you.

[@wren4077]

@@acew2306 cognition... an 8 year old has the same level cognitive abilities That's more like saying she's not completely remedial

[@ProjektBurn]

Theory: Mr Gaslight - I mean, Mr Girl stated in previous initial videos, "I want us (Destiny and I) to be close friends," and even though Destiny said, "no, that's not how this works (paraphrase)," Mr Gas-Girl took the followup engagements with Destiny as getting what he wanted as stated: his own "best friend." Then, when Lav entered the picture, it appeared that Mr G developed some kind of feelings towards her so when it became public knowledge D and Lav hooked up, that's when he started his whole, "You were supposed to be MY best friend D! How could you hurt me like that by tainting the object of my desire (hooking up w girl I have feels for and now am plagued w the idea of that hook up anytime she's around)?!?!" Ensue narcissistic response of, "that which hurts me must be destroyed! I must appear (to myself) as more powerful than D to justify any further feels for Lav not being tainted anymore going forward!" It has a similar feel to the way ghosting triggered a response, but from within the Madonna/Wh0re complex some guys tend to develop. It's just a theory based on how the tone of Mr G changed as information was released and I've watched a few close friendships be destroyed due to a girl for this exact relationship, so my theory could be and probably is totally biased, but that's how this drama-arc appears to me. If nothing else, what I'm gaining from watching this entire event unfold is definitely making the events in my past make more sense as I apply to hindsight and for that, I'm appreciative that I'm able to reflect from what I'm observing here to learn more about the dynamics of people. Theory #2: Mr G has nuked himself to all but his most adherent fans, but this tantrum he's throwing will be used later down the line by those who only catch cliffnotes from bad perspectives that are actively trying to bring down D. I admire the adherence to facts for the sake of truth and feel that the day anyone snuffs out the light Destiny stands amongst will be a very dark day indeed.

[@jiminkook4445]

Least parasocial dgga

[@musselbuoy4384]

This is some fan-fic levels dedication my dude. Please touch grass

[@Slyfa187]

With your theories you are doing the same shit mrgirl does, "mindreading" and building assumptions on assumptions. Mrgirl is a lunatic and lav turned into her abusive mother, no more explanation or theory crafting needed.

[@ProjektBurn]

@@musselbuoy4384 Appreciated. 😆

[@uqs57bju]

I hope you realise that you may be reading massively into things based on a specific timeline that I'm pretty sure is framed wrongly. Though like the other dude said. It's some top-tier fan-fic writing right there.

[@sward0483]

There's a reason cops, fed agents and even judges can't be involved in investigating or ruling over any case they're at all related to them or family etc. Mr girl the last person to do this if he feels like a victim

[@HawtLS]

But in his eyes “I’m the ONLY person that can do this. I am the holy crusader, and am perfect to investigate this because I know best”

[@YemYum]

Remember that time mrgirl said he wont betray destiny? This is the most extreme type of betrayal iv ever seen in my life. Not only is he betraying destiny, but he is lying through his teeth in order to betray him and save himself the embarrassment of making a baseless accusation. "I think you hurt me and others. I have no evidence, but in order to get something that looks like evidence, i will lie about the gravity of the situation in order to get more people to feels sorry enough to give me a screenshot."

[@stendaalcartography3436]

Im genuinely shocked that people like MrGirl has enough simps to go on defense for him. This is wild!

[@ThatDarnIrishMan]

50:00 can't believe that Smeth simp guy unironically turned this into a "leave Lav alone, please, she isn't STILL currently making up lies about you, so leave her alone, she's my queen."

[@mikasasukasa4479]

It's really, really great to see Destiny's community finally call him out for all of this. It's been long overdo. The dude has a problem but I don't think someone like him will admit to it.

[@marvsiceslice]

True! He has a nasty habit of giving crazy people waaaaaaaay too much credit. A little is great but it's gotten out of hand. I'm glad he's now learning his lesson!

[@femteezy1992]

Call him out for what? Keeping that statement vague is really wild given the context?

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@marvsiceslice it makes sense tbh given some of the insane stuff that's been said about him. Back when he was feuding with people like Naked Ape and Tonka Saw he was being accused of insane shit like being a pedophile with a secret daughter. People recently on the left tried to say Destiny wanted to run over black people in his car, supports rape and wants trans people dead. When people have made up insane lies about you, you're probably more likely to not judge people so quickly and give them as much charity as you would want people to give you. But yeah giving that charity to Mr Girl was obviously a mistake lol

[@PunkRockCthulhu]

The fact that Destiny is, indeed, a girl's name? Absolutely true!

[@wydmark]

@@marvsiceslice Also the only reason these people are even giving Dan and him attention is because they are rich. They have never been the popular kids getting box, but now that they are getting ass and attention, they think it’s because their personality is great😭😭 This 5’6 30 year old gamer thinks he has an IG Model wife because of his personality 😭 Then the bootlickers bring up his old gf like she looks like any of the girls he chills with now😭😭😭🤦🏾‍♂️

[@paradigmshift8879]

The most upsetting part of all of this is that some of you sick people actually thought Mr Girl can rap.

[@Dielawn69]

Even being fair all I can say is hes pretty decent writer. His flow and voice suck though.

[@therainman7777]

@@Dielawn69 Yeah he’s a pretty clever lyricist but that’s about it.

[@dmv99]

@@Dielawn69 no LOL his song “I’m a p” literally rips off Eminem’s “I’m a criminal”

[@MlSTERSANDMAN]

this is a lav mod btw. just so you know there is bias

[@ClimbAndTeach]

August really the mvp with the edits adding context.

[@t-poison1731]

I hate ppl like this. they try to be ultimate skeptics but ignore facts, don't catch up on all the evidence that has been out, fence sit on basic conclusions. Why didn't they get mr girl to talk to Destiny. The audacity to "both sides" this is unbelievable

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

"Do your own research bro"

[@frostbite3318]

August with the context clips 💪🏾

[@sojouner_-1363]

Imagine being a Mr.Girl Orbiter

[@AlGhoul]

1:27:29 Okay, the difference between effective fake empathy and actual empathy is what empathy actually means, that both of these two seem to not understand. Empathy is not the ability to imagine what someone else is feeling, as the "orbiter" defined it, nor Destiny's addendum of actually being correct. Sympathy is the ability to identify (perception and understanding of, and reaction to) the emotions of another. That would be more aligned with "imagining what someone else is feeling, and being correct", with the addendum being a necessary component. Empathy, however, is the ability to feel what another is feeling from their perspective (wikipedia says "Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position", and google defines, via Oxford languages, empathy as understanding and sharing the feelings of another). So the difference between fake empathy that is effective, meaning fake empathy that convinces other people that you're actually feeling the emotion they're feeling even though you aren't, and actual empathy is the feeling part of actual empathy, and thus also the deception part of the fake empathy. And I do mean deception, not just unintentional misleading, because you have to attempt to convince the other person that you're actually feeling their emotions, and when you aren't feeling those emotions, it requires that one attempt a performative and persuasive endeavor rather than just feeling the emotion with them. I concede that the other person being convinced isn't exactly a conscious effort on their part, but the deception on the "fake empath's" part does require a conscious effort in order for it to be believable, and thus "effective". It's "masking", and sociopaths learn to do this during mid childhood (and when they don't, they're usually men [because women sociopaths learn much faster the value of masking due to generally weaker physical forms], and they get caught because they don't feel like they need to mask their sociopathy, and society detects them pretty easily; those that do mask but still pursue their violent tendencies get caught due to arrogance and ineffective masking). And to stem off confusion, narcissists also lack empathy, just like sociopaths lack empathy, but their markedly distinct as sociopaths tend more extreme line crossing (violence being the stereotype) as they have a more complete disregard for others and even consequences of their actions, whereas narcissists understand where the line is and avoid crossing due to the consequences. Destiny is asserting narcissism, and that was my first impression of him, too. (Well, that's not accurate; I thought he was egotistical, which is between egocentrism and narcissism, whereby each one includes the proceeding attribute in addition to other defining traits.) Can't believe I'm explaining to 30+ year olds what empathy is. Can't believe I would even need to. Also, if you weren't sure, why the hell aren't either of you looking it up? Also, the "orbiter" said "imagining what another person is feeling" is a close match to the definition of empathy, which demonstrates he didn't look it up when MrGirl originally expressed his interpreted definition of empathy. (Also also also, haha, it's amusing that MrGirl of all people, given his behavior, couldn't accurately define empathy...it's virtually cliche.)

[@aarong3340]

Watch this interview and then immediately watch his interrogation with max. "Im going to hammer him with all these questions" and then in the interrogation plays literal defense for max and asks him the most softball questions ever. What a slimeball.

[@sm3ghe4d22]

Where can I watch the so called interrogation of max? Btw its funny that they think they can pin him down on anything even if they did go in hard on him cuz I seen debates between Mr girl and Destiny and not even Destiny can get Mr.girl to properly admit when he is wrong cuz he is that weaselly so this obviously biased fanboy acting like he is going to get to the bottom of it is so fucking laughable.

[@Mrraerae]

Where could I find the interrogation part?

[@EE-jp5ev]

Where can this be seen in such a way I make sure Max never gets a dime from it?

[@johns1625]

@@Mrraerae it's on this channel

[@KartiSun]

"I am emotionally confused!" 💀 Wow!

[@awholelotta1173]

How is Smeth even taking a position if he doesnt even know what Mrgirl has said. He is speaking like he knows him personally, being able to speak on Mrgirl's character while being as charitable as possible, and even making claims on how he is going to go forward. I'm chalking it up to the twitch mod mentality, where they would blindly defend anything.

[@sptzk7133]

Early morning Destiny! ☀️

[@baby_ghoul]

Smeth unable to let go of the word abuse after agreeing that Destiny was not abusive was so strange. It's just another example about they don't care what that word means, they care about the negative connotation and that it has the power to destroy someone's reputation.

[@rigsby86]

What the 2nd guy described was Cold Empathy. It's the dictionary definition true but ask a therapist what empathy is and they'll tell you that it's more than just imagining what it would feel like, it's an emotional reaction also.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Exactly. 💯 These debate bros' concept of empathy seems more like an intellectual logic exercise in identifying with another person. But true empathy is more like an emotional reaction of sympathy + understanding

[@arjunravichandran1768]

1:10:10 Was a good moment, well played Destiny.

[@mikecurry6847]

I understand that this guy is trying to be impartial, but he's actually not. By putting Max's and destiny's points on equal ground in terms of both morality and even believability he's actually tipping the scale in Max's favor. If we just take every claim that can't be proven or disproven and hold them as equal than we would have to believe all sorts of absurd stuff. He did make one decent point though and it's that there could be a valuable conversation derived from this. I don't doubt that destiny navigates sexual situations with his colleagues well. Instead of defending himself from Max, he could actually tell everybody how he navigates these situations in these settings. If anything it sounds like he probably has great advice on how to approach consent. I know that he's had these conversations a million times, but there are always new people coming in and the nuances of consent free from partisan politics can actually be hard to find good content on

[@crazymonk27]

I just realized that there's a clear difference of how destiny handles things and how Max does. When Destiny released his keffals document and streamed it he had multiple people read over it and criticize it. Yet as Mrgirl's fan here states Max does not want anyone to see his claims or criticize his article until it is released and can cause damage regardless of how inaccurate the content of the article is. Fun things you realize when autoplay brings up old videos.

[@candian75]

Mr Girl has completely sapped the logic out of his fan base.

[@TheKeefeStone]

Is it weird that one of the top5 reasons I like destiny is that he is able to properly enunciate words at 1.5x normal speed automatically. Normally listen on 2x speed because people talk too slow, but D? D speaks fast clearly enough that at 2x it's almost unintelligible. He forces me to 1.5x speed lol

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

Wait so the orbiters have orbiters? Do those orbiters also have orbiters? How deep does this rabbit hole go?

[@asparrow9876]

I have never cringed harder in my entire life, I think my face is stuck. It looks like I had a stroke. I saved so much from this channel that if I ever feel bad, I just look at the sh*tshow that is all this drama. Thank God I'm too red pilled to create this nonsense in my own life. Phew...

[@Coffeewiththegods]

Every MrGirl fan always sounds young and naive.

[@tpolutts3309]

Also very pretentious. They seem to think their general lack of social skills is proof they are special and super smart when really they're just creepy.

[@budaikax]

I don't know, his hotline show usually features older than the average twitch user people. Sometimes people in their 40/50s

[@iz2333]

Those are his targets, a lot more difficult to manipulate someone his age.

[@greg5004]

That truck backing up sound always makes me think Amazon is here

[@guwapjerkins375]

It's funny how destiny comes out and defend people on the Frontline and nobody is on the frontline defending destiny on this situation..is it because destiny is in fact a girls names?

[@GrimlyYours]

_"It's like when gangs fight over sneakers."_ This is your brain on Smeth. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@zozozilla]

I respect Destiny for being open to supporting smaller creators of all types. I think it’s super cool that he’s able to talk to whoever rather than just picking certain people or groups to associate with. I feel like MrGirl wiggled into Destiny’s personal life and although Destiny felt he was being manipulative in some circumstances, he gave MrGirl the benefit of the doubt. I still remember the convos where MrGirl wanted Destiny to be closer to him, to trust him more. It sucks that when he does open up to someone, it turned out this way. MrGirl basically manipulated himself into Destiny’s life and now is narcissistically trying to be god and remove Destiny entirely. MrGirl sees this as a personal mission and he’s so freaking delusional and stuck in his own mental framework. Lav, to me, is just a young girl who needs/seeks a father figure and at first found that in Destiny who gave her advice and tried to help her and later found it in MrGirl who likes her emotional outbursts and encourages her inconsistency. I also think she needs a new therapist because her current one isn’t helping her. Ana is a sad case, I feel most for her. She’s obviously having a bad time with her mental health and she has a tendency to spiral into emotional states when she is pushed into them. I think MrGirl triggered Ana into spiraling against Destiny by talking to her about all this and she took it and ran. I do think these people need to find people outside the internet that can help them change their behavior. For Destiny, a lot of people are saying that he shouldn’t have sex with his orbiters, or orbiters like Ana and Lav specifically, but honestly, they are all adults jfc. While MrGirl sees those advances as “worker abuse”, Lav and Ana had the choice to leave the relationship and actively pursued these relationships with Destiny. Lav started her relationship with Destiny too. They have agency and everyone automatically faults Destiny for some reason when all his actions were consensual and there isn’t any evidence to prove that they weren’t consensual. You can’t wield mental health as a lack of agency or consent. People with mental issues have sex and are able to consent. TLDR: MrGirl is a narcissist and has a god/savior complex and a pattern of being obsessed with people he heavily disagrees with, Lav is naive and easily wound up into an emotional frenzy where she explodes with unsubstantiated information, Ana is easily manipulated into believing she has been wronged and spirals into negative emotional states, and Destiny has a lot of sex but that isn’t horrible. The people he engages with are consenting adults who have the ability to say no and continue on their way and there is no evidence as of yet to prove otherwise. Not to say Destiny doesn’t have a role in all of this, I just think he fucked up letting MrGirl manipulate himself too far into his personal space and that started this MrGirl obsession cycle.

[@lmesen1873]

Wow how coincidental that your take is a copy-paste of Destiny's

[@zozozilla]

@@lmesen1873’ve watched all the Destiny orbiters, I’ve gone on rumble to watch MrGirl, I’ve exposed myself to Ana and Lav’s content and the content that they’ve made in the past with and against Destiny. I just think he’s most believable at the moment according to what little specks of evidence Max and Lav have provided. I’m actually a bigger Chudlogic fan than a Destiny fan and he disagrees often with Destiny lol but sure, cope with the fact that Destiny seems the most believable in this drama. Edit: if you can provide proof to change my mind, go ahead, I’m open to discussing finer details

[@platosghost6916]

Martin Heidegger called it "World Disclosure". When you integrate new information into your conception of something (or someone) and it opens new ways to conceptualuze prior knowlege on said something or someone. Seeing the darker traits of Max clearly displayed has caused Destiny to reassess his perception of all of his previous interactions.

[@platosghost6916]

Huh?

[@GiganticMike]

This same thing happened to me with one of my friends, made me rethink everything. Crazy feeling

[@iRiDiKi]

This is going to end with Max murdering Destiny, isn't it?

[@Coffeewiththegods]

Yup

[@arjunravichandran1768]

I wouldn't put it past him.

[@hannesboos1549]

It's not even that of a stretch, Max is pretty scary imo

[@iRiDiKi]

@@hannesboos1549 I don't really understand how he's able to manipulate the extent he does. For me it comes across incredibly disjointed from what a real sincere person is. Maybe it's because I'm seeing it from the outside or because I've had experience with an incredibly narcissistic person but he's always seemed off. I can understand how he is able to fool people, just not to this extent. (I guess it's because the people are vulnerable?)

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

@@iRiDiKi people tend to give others a huge benefit of the doubt, and when you are willing to just lie and gaslight everyone on any tiny point, unless you record the interactions most people will fall for it

[@catjohnson2522]

He said "I am prepared to be dissatisfied" lmaoooooooo oooooooooh you really showing the big guns huh

[@mharris4264]

I think Destiny did switch up fast regardless of "newer" information. If someone I associated with said the sus things Mr. Girl has said I would have looked into it a long time ago. Destiny was being very charitable because Mr. Girl's a very public person, it wasn't like he hid the video. Even from the No Jumper enter view I understood Mr Girl's point but still considered him a grapist. Destiny current stance (that I agree with) seems like grandstanding because he's so vitriolic about it. As if he's afraid to look soft on grape or he wants the people to know that Mr. Girl is worse than him.

[@onigengu7846]

If Mrgirl is the main channel you watch on youtube and you follow him on other social media, I'm skeptical about your sanity and probably shouldn't be left to your own discretion in places of authority.

[@gandalfthewhite8075]

Destiny needs to sue Mr. Girl at this point. Vague sexual accusations can hurt Destiny financially, and prevent him from being able to attend debate events. Letting the mr. girl stuff continue is insane.

[@mattbert3712]

he has the narrative under control. why should he pay someone

[@onepartyroule]

That's a decent analogy @1:30:23 because Max said he started reframing Steven's behaviour after Steven effed him over (he said he was being mischaracterised by Steven on stream when he wasnt there ,and the business with the subreddit) and he started to see other people getting effed over. Seems like they both had convenient epiphanies.

[@bh0llar702]

A self admitted abuser doing an investigation on destiny who wins from this? Max has lost his mind

[@Frogdoddofficial]

The second guy that was on has a lot of the same mrgirls exact mannerisms. The way he says certain things. It's almost like he is doing an actual impression of mrgirl. Kinda chilling.

[@BlackKakarifer]

man i kind of feel bad for smeth. the guy just sounds young and out of his depth

[@123sleepygamer]

He's something alright... I got a bad taste from him when he was attacking Kyla for trying that give Lav genuine advice. He acted like such a white knight there.

[@ShinyFood]

@@123sleepygamer oh it's the same guy? he's so tame when talking with destiny who's getting mad at him unlike when he was talking to ereudite..

[@wout4yt]

I don't, he's arrogant and stupid.

[@Millennialaire]

Better watch out for those gangs fighting over sneakers lmao.

[@InTheMindOfDavid]

@28:14 How does Lav not expect people to hold herself accountable for stupid shit she says publicly without ever thinking? Cause when they do attempt to hold her to account she’s breaks down and plays the victim like she didn’t know she straight made some bullshit up and how she’s so knew to streaming and having a platform, she didn’t know any better. Like, how does she actually expect these kinds of things to go? Lav is clearly the product of the unchecked rampancy of the “believe all women” even without evidence no matter what era of the MeToo movement.

[@panxtomate8822]

Full disclosure: I disliked MrGirl from the beginning. I didn't like his content & I find him to be disingenuous. Yet, there is a clear problem with Destiny's reasoning for me here. He has defended MGirl multiple times for the same things that he is condemning him for now. I don't believe Lav, she has discredited herself. Objectively, Steven is coming off very manipulative to me here. I don't think he's an abuser either.