YAMAMOTO VS AIZEN - Could the Head-Captain WIN in the Fake Karakura Town Arc? | Bleach Discussion

[@MrTommo2304]

Do you think Yamamoto could defeat Aizen back in the FKT arc? Do you agree or disagree with my points? Let me know!

[@imrendered]

i think it would be a hard battle in aizens favor 1v1. since he can just manipulate yama with illusions and god only knows what a bankai would be if cornered. (though i think the time space perception, is aizens bankai) what i want to know, is if all battles are that of spirit pressure, how much would someone need to be immune to Aizens hypnosis?

[@1Hollowgoku]

Yet again with the winning thumbnail images I cannot overstate how much they completely snatch my attention keep it up man great thumbnails that match the more impressive content

[@MrGksarathy]

I think he could have because Yamamoto's reiatsu at that point likely exceeded Aizen's, so he definitely could overpower Kyoka Suigetsu's illusions with sheer force.

[@emerspoon]

@@MrGksarathy I think only In bankai

[@MrGksarathy]

@@emerspoon Probably.

[@CaptainKotetsu]

Yama’s like a Kaiju. He can’t fight at full power without crushing nearby allies or causing too much collateral damage.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

He's old, fiery, proud and is always in a bad mood. Sounds like Gojira to me lmao. Anyway, independently of what we believe, Aizen definitelly believed that Yama could defeat him, otherwise he wouldn't have made an Espada just to counter him. Several people were a threat to him, like Kisuke, Yoruichi and Isshin, but only Yama forced his hand enough to create A LIVING BEING with the sole purpose of bein an anathema to his Zanpakuto.

[@Turnpost2552]

Or Like Kaiou he cant kill without sounding out vowels

[@imbangmaynn5705]

which means he's fucking useless in an all out war since him using his bankai will nuke everyone. that's like having a nuke in a brawl yeah it's strong but can you use it? nah

[@br5073]

@@imbangmaynn5705 Bro what? He defeated a vasto lorde level opponent with his fist. Far from useless

[@imbangmaynn5705]

@@br5073 he could've blitzed aizen if his bankai wasn't a nuke type bankai. He could've beaten everyone in bleach but couldn't because his bankai would destroy everything. And yes he could've killed ywach before he activated almighty but nah. Yes he's powerful but the power can't be utilitized properly

[@Blackwing_Ghost]

I know this isn’t enough evidence to prove Yamamoto winning but Aizen did make an arrancar made specifically to take out his flame . That at least means he saw him as a threat

[@Invictus-Solaris]

And that was with Yamamoto not using his Bankai.

[@NekoLilyK]

While this is certainly possible, I also think it's possible he made Wonderweiss to save himself the strength he'd use up against Yamamoto. He still had to worry about potential other threats and could be in a bit of trouble if Yamamoto did enough damage to him. That said, I still think Yamamoto was way stronger, but I don't think Aizen was that confident he'd lose.

[@framedthunder6436]

@@NekoLilyK Aizen needed to reach his limit as a Shinigami's to evolve I don't see saving his strenght making too much sense

[@Blackwing_Ghost]

@@Invictus-Solaris oh yeah true . He could resurrected a bunch of dead arrancars and soul reapers to get to aizen

[@Blackwing_Ghost]

@@NekoLilyK probably not. It’s hard to tell since he didn’t see much of either of them communicating, or any like uh them thinking to themselves and gauging what will happen or who will win. It was just straight to the fight

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

To borrow a phrase from Ultraviolet "In a fair fight, you'd beat me...but that's not how I got where I am." That pretty much sums up Aizen's thoughts on the head captain.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.

[@emergencyfood3543]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 yamamoto goes on to incinerate everything in existence one by one if required and at that point squad zero pulls up ichibei renames the hogyoku and ks and oetsu 1 hits Aizen

[@stevetherush1193]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Yamamoto decided early on to be peirced so as to feel his reiatsu, at no point would he believe only his senses

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@emergencyfood3543 The hyogoku would just evolve. Remember the hyogoku only will only grant someone's wish if they have the realistic ability to achieve what it is they want to do. If Aizen would have lost to squad zero flat out the hyogoku never would have responded to him to begin with, your wish has to be doable.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 you forget that Yama already figured a way to deal with that. He let Aizen stab him in the stomach and caught him. Aizen himself admits that he'd likely lose against Yamamoto and that's why he took measures to rig the match from the get go.

[@44RisingSun44]

I always felt like no one tried to solo Yama because they knew they couldn't. Like they say "Fear the old man in a profession where men die young." Also illusions or not, if Yama let loose and incinerated the entire battle field there's nothing anyone (save sealing his power) is doing about that.

[@eluclid]

i mean the top 5 could easily neg yamamoto, even bankai yamamoto tbh

[@XDarksoulX1129]

Plus illusions don't work on the deas

[@eluclid]

@@XDarksoulX1129 says who?

[@superelite5133]

Scary thing is I feel like he definitely could have with his bankai the only reason why he didn’t is because it would have limited everyone else from their battles. It would have been to destructive.

[@framedthunder6436]

More than that The world of the living would have burn and Even the water supply and a good chunk of the Ocean would have vaporize that would create a disaster of big proportions

[@Raaslen]

@@framedthunder6436 That, the thing is that Yamma is always "plot nerfed" either by his morals or personality. He wouldn't risk destroying the world with his bankai, which we can be sure of by the mere fact that he told Ichigo to get away not to get caught in the fight and later sacrificing his arms to contain the flames from Ryuujin Jaka. Kubo could actually use the fact that Aizen wanted to make sure Yama wouldn't useZanka no Tachi as one of the reasons why he choose to go to the human world despite knowing that the real Karakura Town was hidden in soul society.

[@If_the_shoe_fits530]

But he said during his battle with Aizen “ they are all willing to die”.. also when they were fighting he had already beaten most of them. So argument negated

[@PoochZie]

Nah

[@PoochZie]

Also it's TOO ffs

[@daddykyoraku8103]

I think it is important to mention that Isshin's Getsuga was able to crack his cacoon form. Isshin is strong, but Yama is on an entire different level. Aizen would keep evolving, but Yama would probably still body him until he evolves further.

[@gammafrost]

Yeah I feel the same and bear in mind it’s a regular getsuga tensho. Isshin never released his shikai or bankai which is very telling

[@Turnpost2552]

lol everyone was just playing around with aizen with unrealeased forms.

[@alispeed5095]

Thats the thing, with the hogyouku in equation, aizen always wins eventually. Yama would be static, aizen will just keep increasing and here is an interesting detail, unlike ichigo whom aizen underestimated (led to getting mind fucked with delusions) aizen 100% knows that yama is stronger than him thus aizen will not be surprised at all with any crazy shit yama pulls since well its the literal captain commander, with this state of mind, aizen will just evolve without end as his will will not be broken meaning the hogyouku will just juice him to reach his goal (defeatin yama)

[@kingwill1623]

Let me shut that notion down As once Aizen fused with Hogyoku his Reiatsu couldn’t be felt this puts him above Yamamoto and ichibei already as in guide book it said if Ichigo doesn’t get the final Getsuga Tenshō there’s no stopping Aizen and the picture of first form Aizen was used. The he literally levels up again after finishing playing with Yoruichi , isshin and Kisuke and one shotting all three of him the moment he decided to fight back. And further back my point Aizen destroyed the cleaner and if you don’t know The Kōtotsu (the cleaner) appears once every seven days to cleanse the area - killing anyone and everything that makes contact with it - to assure that no one can loiter and take advantage of the time distortion. the Kōtotsu is a being of reason and not Reiatsu, as such, nothing can be done to it with Reiatsu. However, Aizen continues to hold his ground and then destroys the Kōtotsu as it gets close by looking at it. The Soul Society has no means of sealing the Kōtotsu. And If a being is caught by the Kōtotsu, they'll be thrown out to a greatly different point in time from when they entered the Precipice World. so that means ichibei and Yamamoto can’t do it either and this is only second form Aizen whose above his first form that would of been capable of soloing the 0 division. Then when Aizen gets to his butterfly form it’s literally stated in bleach unmasked which is the official guide book and it’s canon that Aizen is equal to that of the Soul king “Heading towards the height of God Aizen becomes a replacement for REIO, to create a new world. As an "emissary" to accomplish that noble aim, his awareness of his existence In the level of God sprouted.” And after that when he transformed again he stated to surpass that of the Soul king “By fusing the Hopyoku with his own body, Aizen attempted to evolve into an even higher existence. That final form even surpassed the state of God, and was even devilish. The figure transcending everything isn't like a Shinigami or Hollow, the figure is fantastic/grotesque.” The picture of monster Aizen is shown. Trying to use isshin feat means nothing of cracking the shell means nothing he was playing with them the entire time and their dialogue even says they aren’t even on his level the moment he decided to try he one shotted all of them the official statements back the shit up and you can go watch Seth the programmers video ranking the captains and it’s says he says the same thing that argument is dead in the water base Yhwach= or greater than bankai Yamamoto but weaker than ichibei both being weaker the the cleaner that Aizen destroyed in his second form and none of them were Soul king level probably beside almighty Yhwach was he regained his power and one shot ichibei who he says was superior to bankai Yamamoto calling him the pinnacle of all Shinigami that Yamamoto being stronger that Hogyoku Aizen falls flat in the water and these are the litteral statements on the manga panels and guide books that are in quotations that’s irrefutable as to deny the statements would be trying to put head canon above the authors word which you can’t do.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@kingwill1623 he was never above Yama

[@YouKnowIhadToDoItToEm]

I feel like Yamamoto could have easily defeated Aizen at Aizen’s power level at that time, but there was too much potential collateral damage that prevented Yama from unleashing his full power. Aizen knew this and didn’t fear any real attack, but to cover all his bases and instead of confronting Yama head-to-head, he creates Wonderweiss to “seal” his zanpakuto with the aim of preventing him from even participating in the battle. If Aizen would have used Kyoka Suigetsu against him, Yama would have most likely incinerated the entire area to ensure he negated Kyoka Suigetsu’s effect and got Aizen regardless of where he actually was (only if Yamamoto felt like he could or felt like he had no choice).

[@nightsfall3n]

Yamamoto tybw >aizen tybw

[@snackdog7623]

@@nightsfall3n no chance aizen Is only under soul king and Ywach in tybw

[@deeworldz5086]

@@snackdog7623 That's gotta be a joke Gremmy, Gerard, and Icibe can all beat aizen

[@abdan7262]

@@deeworldz5086 really ? Then how did Aizen manage to mess with Ywach's perception ? You think those brats can mess with Ywach's perception ?

[@deeworldz5086]

@@abdan7262 Mess with yhwach's perception doesn't equal beat yhwach

[@CloudSephiroth]

Yamamoto would destroy Aizen with his bankai. At that point in the story, he didn’t even have the completed Hyogyuko. Old man Yama wouldn’t allow Aizen to fuse with it.

[@naamari]

Or alternatively Aizen could've killed him and everyone else before they even realized that they were dead, since they were under the Hypnosis. No offense to Yamamoto's Bankai, but Aizen's Shikai is far more broken.

[@framedthunder6436]

@@naamari As Aizen stated a Battle beetween Shinigami's is about Riatsu Yamamoto has a shit ton more than Aizen Aizen can't Kill him without using hax

[@TheSlammurai]

@@naamari In Bankai form Yama would probably have enough reiatsu to negate Kyoka Suigetsu, like how Aizen negated Suzumebachi.

[@javo10ful]

@@naamari but Yama has so much range attacks that it would difficult for aizen to block every single attack. All it takes is one attack from yamas bankai, and aizen is burned to crisp. I just don’t see aizen beating bankai Yamamoto. Yamamoto wins mid difficulty

[@naamari]

@@framedthunder6436 Does he? If we're using the terribly written last Arc as a reference, then Aizen was the war potential called Reaitsu.

[@lynx4082]

If Yamamoto was willing to nuke the entire area he'd be able to kill Aizen instantly with a huge AOE attack

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

not possible, he did use a hado 96 directly and it barely harmed aizen. which again confirms that they are both within the same reaitsu level the novel confirms this even more when we know the requirements for KS to work.

[@vladgaming2731]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 You mention that hado all time, but hado cannot be compared with bankai attack. And Yama wipe the floor with Aizen with bare hands in anime. At this point Aizen is no match for Yama.

[@yaboi2500]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Kido isn’t comparable to bankai. It isn’t even comparable to shikai. Do not forget that Ichigo completely nullified a full power Hado 90 from a transformed Aizen.

[@asasdsaasda]

@@vladgaming2731 Where did Yama 'wiped' the floor with Aizen, did we watch the same fight? not only he was saved by the plot but his attack did shit to Aizen

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.

[@unknown_goat302]

Yamamoto when he was stabbed by Aizen and grabbed onto his arm unknowingly found Aizen’s weakness since he was still touching his blade

[@sytrostormlord3275]

And Zaraki did same with Tosen blade and ... he got all his sences back... this seems to be the weakness of all swords affecting sences ;)

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Yama clearly says he may not be able to see through his hypnosis but he can feel and recognize Aizens spiritual pressure so he knows it's him. *sigh*

[@ErenisRanitos]

@@sytrostormlord3275 OH SHIT DUDE! nice!

[@Jojicus]

Hey Tommo! Love the videos! Here’s a suggestion I’ve seen nobody tackle - What if Neliel was never demoted from being the Tres Espada, and replaced Harribel in the FKK Arc / TYBW / CFYOW?

[@Blknamor]

This!

[@jaspersong622]

+1, great idea!

[@8BitGamer4life]

Nel is weaker than Harribel. Nel was an adjucas and Harribel was a Vasto Lorde.

[@talhaansari62]

I think Yamamoto can defeat almost anyone in the bleach universe. He is the most powerful imo. But the amount of collateral damage which he would cause can be fatal and also in some way limiting him as the very thing yama wants to protect will be destroyed. Due to such Yama has to work around ways in order to protect the things he wants to as well as fight to win. Yama has no privilege like any other captain to go all out. Unlike Aizen who just has to destroy everything to win yama has to win while protecting and this is why yama is limited in such fights.

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

he is not the most powerful Yhwach confirm that he and Bankai Yamamoto are relative in power Ichibei was literally toying around with Yhwach while in his Base state. Yhwach after regaining his power and eyes literally one shot Bankai ichibei who is literally dozens of times stronger than Yamamoto. Yhwach absorbed the SOul king and became massively stronger but was still killed and injured by Ichigo and Aizen.

[@asasdsaasda]

Ywach/Ichigo/Ichibei/Aizen are 100% above Yamamoto, then we have characters that have a high chance to be stronger, Adult Toshiro/RG trained Byakuya/Bankay Zaraki, rest of royal guards are 50% 50%, sorry but Yamamoto is just a overhype character, strong, top10 but wank too much by fans

[@jocoolshow]

@@asasdsaasda Adult Toshiro vs Yama would be sick

[@iReiGNxx]

@@asasdsaasda He’s the oldest soul reaper. He’s had thousands of years to grow stronger. He has no hollow, no Hogyoku, no Soul King parts or reiatsu, and he can still destroy Soul Society just by releasing his Bankai. Mention the few who can beat him if you want, but the dude’s power is massive without any of the special exceptions that make those others so strong. He definitely is not overhyped, he just isn’t necessarily the most powerful being in the series.

[@asasdsaasda]

@@iReiGNxx actually the oldest shinigami is ichibei, the reason he can 'destroy' SS is because of the nature of his bankai, I can name you at least 3 shinigami that CA do the same with Yamamoto bankai, not really that impressive power wise at the end of the manga

[@tommyv010]

Yes he could, but the collateral damage would have been really bad.

[@The_Real_Kenpachi]

If Yamamoto wasn't concerned with destroying Karakura town then Yamamoto would probably win by using bankai. But then again we still don't know what Aizen's bankai is yet.

[@kagelynx]

I don't think Yamamoto can lose 1v1 to anyone. That's why all of his opponents, including in filler, find ways to prevent him from using his full power. If Aizen thought he could win, he wouldn't have sealed his power.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.

[@UFACIL]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Or, Yama just bankais and kills him on accident.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@Vercusgames lol, that is also why Kenpachi didn't simply go right after Aizen in Hueco Muendo, yet was full willing to go after an espada no.5. why Yammamoto popped out after 20 chapters prepared to suicide.

[@KORCORP]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Yama goes bankai and has way more reiatsu to negate the effects of Aizen’s hypnosis

[@psyfi.]

1 on 1 you say but then mention the fact that of filler, which isn't canon and also the fact that it isn't a 1v1 anymore when wonderweiss and lloyd enter the mix

[@dstyer6128]

Aizen had no chance against base Yama without wonderweiss, otherwise he wouldn’t have made him. Yama could have just overpowered Aizens Shikai and even if Yama couldn’t find him, the flames would have ended him in the shroud. So basically, no WW means Yama wins hands down.

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

wrong, please watch their fight again, even a Hado 96 from Yamamoto barely scratched him. in the nvoel its also stated that they both posses similar levels of reaitsu or in your terms Power level aizen stated that he did not posses 100% in beating yamamoto but ask yourself this if your evenly match with your enemy do you have 100% in winning, the answer to that is no which i swhy he created Wonderweiss and other things because he is a smart person and uses his brains.

[@dstyer6128]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 There's no way that Aizen would have survived Zanka No Tachi West. He couldn't have even touched him. Also, Zanka no Tachi South would have been a BIG problem for Aizen, all of those dead defeated zombies could have seen Aizen since he never showed his shikai release to any of them, Even if Yamamoto couldn't see Aizen, he could just always know where he was because the zombies would be on him. There's a reason Aizen sealed that sword, he stood no chance against it.

[@kingwill1623]

@@dstyer6128 Yamamoto would of been under it and he would of manipulated him to using it against the wrong person and two Yamamoto ain’t dumb him going bankai in the world of the living would kill a lot of people and be disastrous for the earth that’s the last thing he wants and Aizen just needs to stall long enough to fuse with Hogyoku then it’s gg

[@Jerome616]

Yamamoto, even with 0 clues as to Aizens weakness (touching kyokasuigetsu) figured out that getting stabbed was his best chance for victory. He also understood that Aizen hypnosis could easily counter any attack and thus decided to set up a area of affect attack that would prevent his escape. The man is on another level even when dealing with Aizen hax powers.

[@dstyer6128]

@@kingwill1623 Can't predicate a fight on him fusing with Hogyoku, that's a pretty ridiculous ask lol. Happened completely at random.

[@badrivishalpandey2171]

I think it's been implied that Yamaji also has transcendental spiritual pressure. For example when he activated his bankai, no one said its the spiritual pressure of Yamaji, they just felt the moisture in the air evaporating! I might be wrong though

[@reaudimills7947]

You're not wrong. It's stated in the dub during the soul society arc by Ukitake that he has "transcendent" spiritual pressure

[@SIPEROTH]

@@reaudimills7947 Dub isn't something to go by though. You should check the original dialogue.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Both Shunsui and Ukitake as well as Toshiro immediately recognized it as Yama.

[@badrivishalpandey2171]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 they recognized because of the loss of moisture in the atmosphere! They never felt his spiritual pressure like centrally bleach did when someone releases his bankai

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@badrivishalpandey2171 Ukitake and Shunsui definitely did when they fought him in the Soul Society arc.

[@Cookd.]

I think the topic of transendant beings and tiers of transendance in Bleach is a point of confusion in the series for a lot of people. Perhaps a video would be warranted discussing what we know about the topic, to help clarify exactly what we know and what we could possibly infer on the subject.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Yamato, to the fake Yhwach: "You can't tell? Here, I'll allow you to perceive my reiatsu". His power is at minimum large enough that it was imperceptible to a being that could be mistaken for a full power Yhwach.

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 that never happened. in the databook the moment aizen tarnsformed into Butterfly and Monster form it was stated that he reach the same tier as the Soul King. Yamamoto and ichibei are both Shinigami with Shinigami level reaitsu not transcendent. Yhwach = bankai Yamamoto < Base Ichibei Yhwach stated that only he out of all the quincies had the power to steal his Bankai not only confirming they are on similar tier also confirming tha tyamamoto is stronger than every other Quincy, Yhwach also one shot and instantly killed base Yamamoto like a dog.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 What are you talking about? It's in the manga. It's not even hard to find. It's basically the first thing that happens in the fight. If you're going to lie, at least make it possible for someone to believe the lie.

[@Tray3tar]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 aizen dam sure wasn’t on the soul kings level of power

[@BornFromEmbers]

Aizen would’ve gotten clapped by Yama. Yama with his bankai is pretty much unbeatable. There is a reason Aizen and Yhwach both took it away before stepping up to the old man. Yama is also not given enough credit for his fight IQ. He literally countered Aizen’s hypnosis within like 5 seconds of the fight.

[@asasdsaasda]

He counter shit, he took a risk because he was protected by plot and not get decapitated by Aizen, had to sacrifice a hand and did shit to Aizen

[@BornFromEmbers]

@@asasdsaasda 1.) He purposely got stabbed, if Aizen swung at his head he wouldn’t have stood there and took it like he did. 2.) That was severely injured, exhausted, no sword Yama vs Hog infused Aizen. Even then Aizen is still like “Yo I would’ve gotten rinsed if not for the hog I underestimated him”. Aizen (who knows he has the hog) straight up admits he’d lose to Yama in a straight up fight.

[@asasdsaasda]

@@BornFromEmbers he did not purposely got stab, he simple got stab, he had no way at that time to avoid aizen, stop inventing things to wank yama

[@eldenlean5221]

@@asasdsaasda he literally does it to grab aizen...he says as much lol. Stop wanking aizen. Yama's bankai is stronger than all mighty. Let that sink in.

[@BornFromEmbers]

@@asasdsaasda He literally got stabbed, smiled, and was like “IVE GOT YOU NOW”. He then explains the only reason he’s able to grab Aizen with confidence is bc he got stabbed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t know if it was just an illusion or not. You’re right! Sounds like a happy accident to me lmao.

[@ASNS117Zero]

Ultimately, I think what this proves is that Kubo hadn't figured out exactly what he wanted Yama's bankai to be at this point in the story when Aizen and Yama had this exchange. Yama could have easily flicked Zanken no Tachi on and off in the span of a few seconds, insta-killed Aizen, and inflicted less damage to the environment than what he was going for with his special move to kill would have done in the first place.

[@theAngusmaster101]

I think your final point is why Aizen wasn't confident in beating Yamamoto when he says "You'd probably win". Aizen thought it was likely Yamamoto would defeat him before the Hogyoku's true powers awaken and that's why he made a contingency plan specifically for Yamamoto so he couldn't take part in the battle and stop Aizen's evolutions before it even begins. I kinda wish now thinking about it that Wonderweiss only stalled Yamamoto but the Hogyoku awakens and we got like 3 chapters of Yamamoto vs Aizen with Aizen continually evolving and becoming too powerful for Yamamoto to handle

[@madmegaiden3262]

As soon as Yamamoto says “BANKAI” it’s all over

[@nukethetunaxiii]

I don't think secretly actually standing 200 feet away from an illusion of yourself will do you any favors if Yama decides to glass the entire realm.

[@MaskOfCinder]

Aizen doesn’t have to be present for his illusions to remain. Also Aizen could leave at anytime via the Garganta or Senkaimon and have Yama kill everyone for nothing. That’s why Yama didn’t even try.

[@jeremyjames2643]

Just a little tidbit about the sun but a pinhead sized sun would kill everything within 9 miles. So yea it was plot armor 😂

[@Kwick777]

Analyzing the fight, I do believe that in a 1 v 1, Yama wins. I do believe that he was confident in 1) Identifying that the Aizen he grabbed was the real one. And 2) That he could kill Aizen. I think he just thought he couldn't afford to take the chance and had to make sure there was zero chance of Aizen bamboozling himself out of the situation, thus the burning hell. Obviously Bankai Yama isn't needed and would no diff Aizen, but the collateral damage would be too great. The Hogyoku is always a concern. Maybe it lets him survive the burning hell, but that's a maybe. I think Bankai Yama for sure would bypass the Hogyoku by literally erasing it from existence. The only thing I didn't like about the fight was Yama sacrificing an arm for literally nothing. I feel like it should have at least left Aizen with a permanent scar that would not heal even through his several evolutions.

[@eluclid]

if yama could kill aizen dont you think he would've killed him while he was sealed??

[@randomdude6446]

The hogoku is indestructible we learnt that from urahara and it tanked ichigo final getsuga tensho without even a scratch there is no way he could detsory it

[@omnishorts12]

Ok so I did make a video on this and I still believe that Yama would beat “base” Aizen. Now besides the fact that Aizen created a modified arrancer to beat Yamamoto; it’s not enough to prove it due to Aizen clearly being afraid of Ryujin jakka’s power. But there is a statement the data book when translated that states “for more than 1000 years, on one who emerged could surpass him, that means even Aizen wasn’t a match”. So basically Yamamoto would have been able to overwhelm Aizen, he was even shocked to see how strong he was without his zanpakuto. Also Yamamoto without any prior info was able to figure his own way to counter kyoka suigetsu. So there you go

[@Ephideltrance]

Aizen hid his true power though and even Ichigo upon beating him said Aizen was so powerful that all he wanted to be was ordinary at the end of the day.

[@omnishorts12]

@@Ephideltrance what true power??? You mean the hogyoku?

[@Ephideltrance]

@@omnishorts12 no...his normal shinigami power. No one knew how strong he was, remember. Everything people knew about him before he defected was a lie.

[@omnishorts12]

@@Ephideltrance ok? Then why does that matter? Aizen even said to Yamamoto that if he fought him one on one that he (himself) would have probably lost, even with kyoka suigetsu. if Aizen thought he could beat Yama with his “true power” then he wouldn’t have gone the lengths he did to seal Yama’s sword in the first place.

[@Ephideltrance]

@@omnishorts12 key word in Aizen's statement is 'probably'. Basically the same as Yamamoto whose first resort was a suicidal technique. If he is so much stronger, why not just kill Aizen outright? Besides, intelligence counts in fights, and let us be real...Aizen is far more intelligent.

[@downrightfiercerare1565]

Bro now if this is a new series of yours I'm all for it man this is fire

[@naman2203]

Yamamoto literally has max defence and max attack at his disposal so 1v1 i dont think he can be defeated so they only way to deafeat him isto steal his ability

[@KpaxKenpachi]

My thing is we would have to assume that when they finally captured Aizen and tried to sentence him to death, they did try completely eviscerating his body and couldn't and is why he was simply sentenced to muken instead. I truly believe if there was a way to kill him, they would have after Ichigo and Urahara beat him.

[@RobertPiotrowski96]

I agree with you, Aizen would lose before his transformations, maybe even with Yamamoto using only Ryujin Jakka. But after Hyogyoku awakening, Aizen would just come back after every death. Reason for that being that after Aizen was inprisoned, they didn't kill him, because they coudn't. If Yamamoto couldn't kill him while he was in prison, I'm prettt sure he couldn't kill him in battle. But I think that he could inflict damage at the level of Mugetsu, altough that attack by itself wouldn't grant him a win, just as Ichigo would lose the battle if not of Kisuke

[@BlackThane]

about Soi Fon stuff, we need to remember she already fired bankai 2 times (she said she can do it once usually) and she lost her arm, no wonder her reiatsu was lowered to not be able to use shikai power on Aizen

[@ChristianMartinez-gb2wj]

Yamamoto would win against base Aizen, based strictly off manga. The databook and Light Novels also provide more evidence to Yamamoto probably beating Aizen with not too much trouble.

[@DoriansPortrait]

Careful now.....there are Aizen fan boys around here that could never handle this reality.

[@ericb8241]

Ive read the novels. Where does it say anything about yama being able to beat him lol.

[@chungusfungus9779]

Yama Negs Aizen

[@ChristianMartinez-gb2wj]

@@ericb8241 In CFYOW Shunsui said that Yamamoto’s power and spiritual pressure is more similar to transcendent Aizen than anyone in the Gotei.

[@johnmoore6907]

I literally subbed because you were nice enough to give me a 'no spoiler' alert. Thanks bro.

[@Naughty-Carlos]

There is somthing I've always wondered when Aizen fights soi fon he explains he can over come her "silly power" (death in 2 stings) by using his spiritual pressure to nullify it because he is so much stronger... well Yamamoto must have wayyyyy more than Aizen why can't he just dispel Aizens illusion power?

[@DoriansPortrait]

I said the same thing but against Wonderweiss, but, man you have an even greater point that what I gave.

[@jschoma11]

Aizen has extremely high reiatsu too..idk what the disparity has to be for an ability neg

[@malct6545]

As strong as Yama is I think Kubo really tells us throughout the story how steong Aizen is in base, hes not far off from Yama if not on the same power level.

[@sephikong8323]

Because Suzumebashi is an offensive power that directly tries to harm the opponent, so if the opponent has enough Reiatsu he can just not be damaged by the attack because his Reiatsu acts as a form of energy shield. However Aizen's power is not a direct confrontation or clash of power but a subtle mind trick, and in Bleach mind attacks seem to completely ignore the power level of the fighters (like how Aizen was tricked by Shinji's Shikai or how even YWACH with part of the Soul King's power was fooled by Kyoka Suigetsu). Here's my two cents on this

[@nightsfall3n]

@@jschoma11 Yamamoto rieatsu >>>>>>>>aizen and gotei 13 reiatsu

[@carlosdominguez9981]

Again, great point from you, just a quick correction in 17:25 approx. remember that Karakura town was replaced for a fake one so Yamamoto needed no special consideration of him killing someone in the town while activating the bankai.

[@joeytoperez4521]

But his bankai can destroy the pillars that keep the “fake” karakura town active. If the towers are gone then his bankai would destroy the real world itself. Tommo said it btw.

[@morinohisagi2138]

Aizen didn't risk fight Yamamoto until he was fused with the Hogyoku. I think that says a lot. In my opinion, with the form that Aizen was in when fighting Yamamoto, he would probably stand no chance against him.

[@mtk2fitness208]

Just want to say I love your videos bro. I've watched everyone of them and look forward to more. You've rekindled my love of bleach.

[@AndréVilaFranca]

Yamamoto wins, his Bankai is just too much for Aizen. But it'd be an amazing fight for sure.

[@VVooshbait]

yama would think he killed aizen just to later realize he was under ks, but its too late since aizen used a full power hado 90 and boom GG aizen solos

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@VVooshbait no

[@technofreakazoid3324]

@@VVooshbait More likely, if noone is around, yama unleash bankai. Swings wildly. if aizen tricked him, he just keep on swiping, destroying shit, disentegrating shit, getting awfully close to aizen, Then, eventually, hit near aizen. Aizen tries to escape, but Yama keeps going crazy wit it, destroying chunks of land every swipe. And eventually, hit aizen. killing him. Immortal aizen solos though.

[@JordYaku]

I love these kind of "What if" videos. They make for great discussion.

[@justincarter1217]

If you have to make a weapon specifically to stop his zanpakto, id say old man yama is stronger

[@tylerross3847]

Very well thought-out and analyzed, thank you for the quality content.

[@xxrav3nclawx]

I’m pretty sure that in a bleach data book it says the Aizen was never a true threat to Yamamoto

[@eldenlean5221]

Even ywatch had to instantly seal zanka no tachi to even stand a chance. I dont know why this is a debate. Yamas bankai is unmatched in bleach.

[@VVooshbait]

@@eldenlean5221 I mean no one talks bad about his bankai, yama literally becomes untouchable to anything physical, but like still based on his strenght he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone, aizen would still just put him under KS and do a full power hado 90 and kill yama

[@44RisingSun44]

@@VVooshbait If he could just kill Yama that easily why didn't he? Better yet why would he feel the need to create & bring WW or say that he'd lose a 1v1? Aizen's own words and actions don't support your claim. "Based on his strength he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone" what are you even saying? This isn't supported by anything in the series at all.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Databook says they are both 10/10 in Spiritual Pressure. Yama is the only one who had a chance in a straight 1v1 fight. However. Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@44RisingSun44 Aizen is an unreliable narrator about pretty much everything lmao.

[@OnyxSkyBHS]

I love topics like this. And both sides have such a point that's it would come down to "Plot" if it went that way. Would plot allow Aizen to ascend before Yamamoto burnt him to cinders. However you brought up a super interesting point about Ichigo that makes me want to ask your theory as i've not seen as many conversations on it... Ichigo's Mugetsu was to be the END ALL be all of Ichigo's powers and more so over the EVERYTHING in Bleach. Trancedant beings like Aizen didn't even sense Ichigo's spiritual pressure... So i feel like i should ask. If Ichigo had went about reawakening THAT ability against Yhwach, would it have been enough? Would it had been more than what Ichigo put out before. Could the "Almighty" quincy counter the strike that rips soul reapers powers from their body after use. The hit that even the Hogyoku deemed Aizen no longer worthy of it's powers after taking said hit.

[@brendon686]

I personally think bankai Yamamoto can keep up until butterfly Aiizen If not I still believe Yamamoto can damage him at his earlier stages to the point the hogukyo will reject him But like you said Yamamoto probably will end it before he even starts transcending

[@gpifwxlost5054]

It would've been great to find out later (after the TYBW) that old man Yama has knowingly been calling his blade by the wrong name. Purposely nerfing himself while the thought of his true power was absolutely scary.

[@emerspoon]

Yama easily could have killed him. However if he was to do that he would have destroyed the entirety of Fake and Real Karakura town and every single person there as well

[@krissjames7276]

Very good, comprehensive and fair-minded analysis, definitely explains both why Aizen didn't want to face Yamamoto one on one, and why Yamamoto was ready to sacrifice himself and much of the Gotei 13 just to ensure Aizen's death.

[@ΣερτηςΠαπας]

Won't Yamamoto's bankai be able to erase even the Hyogokou? It doesn't seem that unlikely to me

[@VVooshbait]

aizen has already regenared from mugetsu which literally was shown to completely atomize, erase aizen yet he regenerated from nothing so

[@qeditz1547]

Nah but even if aizen survives what’s stopping Yama from evaporating him again

[@randomdude6446]

Nope the hogoku is indestructible ( urahara says so ) and it tanks ichigo mugestu without a scratch

[@randomdude6446]

@@qeditz1547 he will endlessly regen and evolve until he can beat Yamamoto by crushing his bankai ability thought shear difference in power and Yamamoto who has no way to kill him permanently it's my a matter of time

[@qeditz1547]

@@randomdude6446 true he would eventually beat him

[@dumjokster]

Mrtomomo is the best bleach KZbinr on the planet!!! I love his videos. 30 min + damn bro you AWESOME!!

[@supakev6308]

If yamamoto could defeat Ywach with the almighty he definetly could defeat aizen...hence why he went through all the trouble of creating something specifically to seal his flames.

[@garthyahudahandrews8504]

facts aizen fans go too crazy for him

[@pikeyMcBarkin]

Thanks for this video. I enjoy hearing your work.

[@avatar_of_battle4735]

You made mention of Gin's attack stitching Aizen back together but I always wondered once we saw Yama being able to literally erase things whether or not his bankai could just erase the hogyoku. Would being hit by Yama's bankai attacks be in the same vein as Mugetsu and the hogyoku just kinda goes "meh"?

[@dominquebanton9758]

Yes ive been wondering the same thing for a long time, ive always wanted to know if the hogyoku can be destroyed and what it would take to destroy it

[@avatar_of_battle4735]

@@dominquebanton9758 I wondered what Ichibei's ink could do to it as well in all honesty.

[@VVooshbait]

hogyoku is basically the miracle but more busted, aizen could just want to be completely unbeatable and he would become immortal, yama's zanka no tachi:north prob wouldn't work since aizen already managed to regenerate from mugetsu which literally erased aizen as well so

[@randomdude6446]

The hogoku is indestructible according to urahara and it straight up tanked mugestu so no

[@randomdude6446]

@@avatar_of_battle4735 according to cfyow nothing since apparently you can undo it's ability by consuming pieces of the soul king and the hogoku has many fragments of the soul king assimilated in it

[@irregularmana6216]

I have read and seen this fight about a million times and yet I am paying attention to everything you were saying with your play by play lol

[@RichardGarcia93]

If Yamamoto was that powerful with one arm while using his Bankai, he would have absolutely erased Aizen from existence with a two handed Zanka no Tachi......until Aizen’s 128384839933 forms would keep leveling him up.

[@nightsfall3n]

yup kubo did bad job with Yamamoto

[@8BitGamer4life]

Could Yama completely destroy the Hogyoku with bankai? I think he can.

[@randomdude6446]

@@8BitGamer4life no the hogoku is stated to be indestructible and tanked mugestu with ease

[@NoLimitSquad]

26:54 I think he could. East. Kyokujitsujin. Remember? Rroyd: "The point!" Yama: "Correct!" Yama blew away the entire ground without a trace. I'd say that would do it. We never saw that connect with an opponent yet. Just the ground

[@randomdude6446]

Not really in Beach power > hacks and he just went over how much stronger ichigo is

[@PhantomNull13]

I really like that moment where Yamamoto figured out it was Aizen by the sword in his gut, because it foreshadows Gin doing the exact same thing. I've always wondered if that was the moment Gin found out about Kyoka Suigestsu's weakness. There's no reason for Aizen at that point to tell Gin the weakness of his sword, and it would explain why Gin didn't act until Aizen couldn't be killed.

[@ericb8241]

Wrong. Rewatch the scene. “You have to be touching the sword before it’s activation”

[@PhantomNull13]

@@ericb8241 I'm aware. Just speculation from the scenes. It doesn't make any sense for Aizen to give away that information before he's fused with the Hogokyu, especially if he knew Gin wanted to kill him. It makes much more sense that Yamamoto figured it out, and Gin used that to realize he could confirm it as long as he wasn't actively under hypnosis. It just makes no sense for Gin to have known about this for decades and there hasn't been one moment for Gin to use his Bankai.

[@synysterpain]

@@PhantomNull13 yeah, but they show a flashback scene of gin as a kid being told by Aizen about it

[@PhantomNull13]

@@synysterpain that's always been the thing stopping me from saying that it's definitely what happened. It's just so out of character for Aizen to give out that kind of information at that point. Like, if Gin just went to Yamamoto with the plan and that information, Aizen's dead. Maybe he was gambling on Gin wanting to kill him himself, but it still doesn't make sense. My best guess for that is Aizen told Gin to see how he'd react. Gin, knowing that Aizen knew he wanted to kill him, assumed that the information was fake to lure him out until decades later when Yamamoto captured Aizen's arm.

[@MashuSlyferiux]

Gin thing is completely different lmao And no it's confirmed Aizen tells his weakness to Gin because after years of collaboration he assumed Gin wasn't going to betray him

[@gaelsavven]

This presents a good debate, i agree! Couldn't have said it better myself you definitely know the story - I truly enjoyed this one. Keep doing what you do, rest assured you do it best!

[@manuelacosta9463]

Yamamoto has the power to burn the universe in its entirety so Aizen created a contingency to deal with him. Personally I believe that it would end in mutual destruction or possibly Yamamoto incinerating himself as Aizen watches from a safe distance, Kyoka Suigetsu having done its job.

[@Cosmic8099]

Yamamotos bankai cant burn a universe wth💀💀

[@MAR-sc7np]

@@Cosmic8099 I guess he's saying this cause of tybw

[@DoriansPortrait]

@@Cosmic8099 I think he's more or so stating the fact that his blade once in bankai is suppose to be as hot as a star. Also if I'm not mistaken, he mentions that if his bankai was to go off that it would pour into other dimensions, so technically killing everyone.

[@thegamerfe8751]

@@Cosmic8099 Mate, Yamamoto's Bankai lets out a spiritual pressure that's as hot as the sun and it's literally said like that. And when Yamamoto condenses that spiritual pressure into his zanpakuto he remove anything from existence.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Yamamoto won't incinerate himself, he would end up burning the entire universe before he dies. Adding to that, we all know that you can beat Kyoka Suigetsu by touching the zanpakuto, this applies for Fake Karakura Town Aizen. For TYBW Aizen since it fused to him I guess he can touch him and it'll be the same.

[@drumanaut]

I think I agree with your estimation of the fight. For pre transformation, I think Aizen's plan with Wonderweiss is evidence enough that Yamamoto has the power to win potentially even without bankai. Post transformation in my opinion would just be a question of if Yamamoto could do enough damage quickly enough that the hogyoku couldn't respond. I don't think it is stated but I feel like Aizen could have been beaten even after the hogyoku started transforming him if enough repeated damage could be done before he could finish repairing, but the damage needed to do that was such that no one could do a similarly strong follow up (or just writing).

[@NoLimitSquad]

How do you think I remained Captain-Commander of the Gotei 13 for over a thousand years? No Shinigami born in that entire time has been stronger than I

[@randomdude6446]

Once the hogoku kicks in aizen is fundamentally beyond shinigami

[@meatsweatsland]

Aizen wanted to use the Sogyokou during Rukia's Execution in order to burn out her essence and separate the Hogyokou from her. This Zanpakuto had the ability to even burn reiatsu. Ichigo was able to momentarily stop the Sogyokou by standing infront of it. Yama is definitely more powerful than this version of Ichigo and since his Ryujin Jakka basically functions like the Sogyokou, it stands that it can also burn everything, reiatsu included. As long as Aizen wasn't a transcendent being, I believe that all direct consuming attacks from Zanka no Tachi would at least have a major effect on him.

[@tankadamka]

Yes. Yama can win. Aizen feared him for a reason. Plus the only one who decides the result of any battle is Kubo.

[@LeoLikesLamb]

Your videos butter my biscuits thank you

[@ramsesrendon2895]

Great video. I’m pretty much on the same boat. I think a good question is an in prime Yama vs Aizen final. The fact that Yama beat Ywach 1000 years ago when he last had the powers of the Almighty which we see it’s the closest power we’ve seen to the Soul king is insane to me. Yama must’ve been even stronger back then which is saying something.

[@MrGksarathy]

Or just less restrained.

[@weehan5654]

@@MrGksarathy Ywach's Allmighty power 1000 years back than was not fully developed and he could only activate it for a short period of time, sacrificing his entire energy later on. That's why he has to go under hiatus for years before finding the method of controlling his volstanding freely without restrictions. We cant compare Ywach back than and Ywach at present. He is on a totally different league later on...

[@randomdude6446]

Considering the zero division had intel on that fight a thousand years ago but nothing on the almighty he definitely did not use it back than

[@DyspotikOriginal]

Brilliant as always mrtommo

[@scottvgamer1163]

You know, Aizen probably could have won if he attacked Yamamoto’s head with his first attack. The fact he was able to harm him at all shows how strong he is and that the reiatsu difference between the two isn’t THAT far off.

[@nhlakaniphojack5056]

By the logic Tosen could have won against Zaraki if he attacked Zaraki's head with his first attack when Tosen used bankai since he was able to harm Zaraki .. Oh yeah even Shinji could have won against Aizen if he aimed for AIZEN'S head with his first attack since he also could damage him... Right???

[@scottvgamer1163]

@@nhlakaniphojack5056 they probably could have, but I suppose they wanted to show off.

[@Abyssionknight]

I fully agree that Yamamoto's attack goes off and he 'wins' by destroying them both if Wonderweiss dosen't show up. If somehow Aizen escapes and the fight continues until his transformation, then Aizen will ultimately win in the end. Yamamoto's only hope would be if his Bankai's North technique could destroy the Hogyoku itself, but I don't think that's possible. After all Urahara couldn't figure out a single way to destroy the Hogyoku, and he without a doubt knew about Yamamoto's bankai. I think the only person that could legitimately defeat a merged Aizen would be a certain someone from the TYBW... and even then they'd need a certain upgrade to ensure things go the way they want.

[@MyMediaChops]

If I am not mistaken didn't Aizen literally say that he had to use Wonderweiss because otherwise, Yamamoto would have defeated him.

[@minatoitachig.o.a.t82]

defeated him at his current stage aizen evelved to a level that yamamoto can't sense him

[@asasdsaasda]

He never said 'defeat him' he said that Yamamoto at that time had the strongest zampakuto and he did not want to take a chance

[@MyMediaChops]

@@asasdsaasda Aizen said that Yamamoto's Zanpakuto is the strongest and fighting would put him at a distinct disadvantage which is a fancy way of saying he couldn't beat him. You make sound like it's a small risk when Aizen is saying he can't beat that Zanpakuto

[@asasdsaasda]

@@MyMediaChops that's your interpretation on that shit, nothing fancy there

[@VVooshbait]

yeah that was cause he didn't evolve into that busted hogyoku form

[@036sakammanikantareddy6]

this is off-topic for the video but A NEW TRAILER FOR BLEACH JUST RELEASED THIS FREAKIN' AFTERNOON AND OH BOY DOES THAT LOOK GREAT.

[@Nexus-ub9jm]

Once again, I have the same thought as this as I did with Aizen vs the zero division. But instead of Ichibe being able to remove the power of the hokyoku, couldn't Yamamoto just remove the hokyoku from his existence with his bankai? I mean, he would be hesitant to use it in this scenario, but if you're placing them in a completely neutral area, I think Yamamoto wins this

[@Abyssionknight]

It depends how smart you think Urahara is. In the story they established that Urahara couldn't find any ways to destroy the Hogyoku, which is why he decided to hide it forever instead. So it all comes down to whether or not Urahara ever researched / asked about Yamamoto's Bankai. If he did, then his Bankai can't destroy the Hogyoku. If he didn't, then there's a chance it might be able to destroy the Hogyoku. Considering the Final Getsuga Tensho came from a being even more advanced than an ascended Aizen was, and that still couldn't break the Hogyoku, I personally don't think Yamamoto's Bankai could destroy it... unless you believe Yamamoto's bankai even surpasses Dangai Ichigo and the Final Getsuga Tensho... which I personally think is unreasonable to consider.

[@juniorgagba1159]

@@Abyssionknight But I don’t think that Urahara has seen/knows about Yamatos Bankai. I think they only Person legt fron the Time were Yamato was actively fighting is Unohana and his Vice Captain. I think the Rest is to Young to know and understand how lethal it is.

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

@@juniorgagba1159 True, since yama didn't use his bankai for thousand years. He never even talked about it.

[@MashuSlyferiux]

Bro imagine underestimating Aizen and the Hogyoku that much LMAO neither Yama nor Ichibei could ever compare to Hogyoku Aizen. Nobody can, except Soul King and people who borrows his powers

[@astasan716]

@@MashuSlyferiux That's overthinking, lol

[@shihoblade]

Thank you! Every online community talking about this showdown will bend over backwards to declare Aizen weaker because he prepared beforehand but as soon as I bring up Yama's own prep people fall into denial. Yama was willing to wipe out the majority of the Gotei, including himself, just for the POSSIBLE chance to kill Aizen. Thats desperation at its highest level yet people talk like Yama had some imaginary easy win. He was hiding the whole fight prepping his oneshot technique, just hoping.

[@atpr3241]

I feel like Aizen wasn't capable of beating Yamamoto until he ascended to his Butterfly stage or arguably his monster stage.

[@KozueMegami]

Then the old man would use bankai and obliterate Aizen.

[@8BitGamer4life]

Yama could probably destroy the Hogyoku therefore Aizen can't come back and die.

[@randomdude6446]

@@8BitGamer4life the hogoku is indestructible according to urahara and it was fine despite being slammed by ichigo's mugestu you can't destroy it

[@FionnKirwan]

I'm 25 minutes in, and I'm hit with an add and I think to myself, is this the first ad? Or is this ad 2 or even 3?. Are you milking this for money and no your not Keep up the good work. Honestly you are reconnecting me with the world of bleach.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Yamamoto is a good example of an how a fictional character is written too strong. He was teased as the strongest captain but didn't get to show it. Rather he was put aside so that the antagonists could show off their superiority in battle and strategy. Not just that but he was also way too proud to ask for the help of others such as Orihime or Ichigo. When he faced fake Yhwach with just one arm he lost severally and was humiliated. Kubo had to step in when Yamamoto was weak enough so to give him a battle he couldn't win anymore.

[@gammafrost]

That kinda makes sense but I do think it could have just as well written if you had a battle between bankai yamamoto and the real ywach. The battle should by no means be easy but ywach defeating him in bankai could have been a true display of power. After all we never even saw ywach use Quincy vollstandig

[@zdog72.0prince8]

Yammamoto destroyed fake ywach.What do u mean?

[@ravek7500]

I agree pretty much with everything in this video. I think Yamamoto ideally should be able to push Aizen to maybe at least his first post-cocoon transformation. I would say probably up to Aizen's "butterfly" transformation at the most if he hasn't already rendered him to ash with Zanka no Tachi.

[@amorbis4210]

What if Yamamoto used his bankai and to erase the hogyoku with the tip of his sword? Wasn't that Orihime's plan? It was grabbed by Gin, so it's not like it's intangible or anything. You could argue that it's extremely durable, but Yamamoto's bankai basically bypasses durability due to its insane heat.

[@randomdude6446]

Orhime doesn't understand anything about the hogoku so using her that thinking it could work doesn't mean anything from urahara we learn it's supposedly indestructible and it was totally fine despite being in aizen after ichigos mugestu

[@kenpanderz672]

man, i really wish anime studios would have some sort of side-content, aside from fillers, where they pit popular characters against eachotehr in 1-on-1 fights to see who would win, aside from those who have already fought anyways (unless we're talking future/past version of characters fighting eachother. seeing Gin vs Soul Society arc Aizen would be interesting)

[@vdj18.64]

I think a better argument is could Yama beat Aizen that Ichigo fought, I think with his bankai he actually probably could

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

No Aizen was immortal at that point. Even if Yama killed him with the Hogyoku fused Aizen would just come back stronger and able to easily surpass him. That's the whole reason Ichigo used the Mugetsu because he knew Aizen would continue evolving and become stronger than Dangai. It still didn't work and was lucky Kiskuke was there to seal Aizen.

[@gumerzambrano]

Fantastic video man 🙌🏽

[@ericb8241]

It all falls down on one question: does aizen become immortal that early on, or actually die? Yama probably bodies him for about 4-5 transformations then loses if aizens immortal at that point in time, OR, he gets ‘weakened’ like mugetsu did to him, and yama wins

[@MashuSlyferiux]

4 transformations what LMAO 1 transformation Aizen was already transcendent. Yama wasn't. 1 transformation Aizen negs Also if the effect is the same as Mugetsu then Aizen wins since Urahara did not yet used his seal technique, Aizen regens and kills Yama

[@adamkowalski6061]

@@MashuSlyferiux hard to regen when your body does not exist, your reiatsu does not exist and hogyoku does not exist because they are all destroyed. I think you don't really understand what being transcendent means.

[@rayvonvelez3129]

@@adamkowalski6061 Aizen was hit by mugetsu which was supposed to erase him from existence, yet he still instantly came back cuz the hogyoku. Most attacks in bleach erase stuff from existence anyway.

[@adamkowalski6061]

@@rayvonvelez3129 nope not most of them, there are only a few mentioned that can. Mugetsu fucked up aizen pretty bad, to the point when he was weakened so much that kisuke kidou could seal him and hogyoku rejected him (or not if you don't believe it really rejected him, doesn't matter). Either way after one Yamamoto "mugetsu" there is countless more of them. Is aizen going to survive that? I doubt that.

[@nightsfall3n]

@@MashuSlyferiux zanka no tachi north erases everything from existence if it touches yhwach himself was dodging that why aizen wouldn't lmao

[@quentincoetzee4313]

One fight analysis I'd really like to see is Yamamoto vs Kyoraku and Ukitake. Yes, it happened in the anime, but we never really got to see details. So now, given what we know now about their powers, I'm tempted to go back to that match-up and explore the possibilities. I keep thinking that maybe Ukitake might be able to absorb and redirect Yamamoto's flames using Sogyo no Kotowari's power, like he did with Starrk's Cero, maybe to the point of turning a flame blast from Ryuujin Jakka into something like a Burner Finger 1 shot directly at Yamamoto.

[@ML1399TheyStoleMyName]

Personally I always believed that Aizen was bluffing when he claimed that he can cancel out Sui-Feng's ability by having more power than she does. Shortly thereafter we find out that the Aizen the Captain's had been attacking up until that point was an illusion, with Aizen even stating that they had never actually been fighting him in the first place. Which would mean that Sui-Feng never actually stung Aizen in the first place. I think that's a much more reasonable explanation for why her 2 hit kill just didn't work on him

[@Owl-yc2yu]

Same. It exactly the type of shit talking Aizen would employ.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Knowing what we know about Aizen... if he wasn't just bluffing, he absolutely would have made sure to prove it.

[@galaxyexe3627]

We’ve seen attacks having no effects on characters before, look at Ichigo not being able to cut Kenpachi when they fought the first time, when he was unable to damage Grimmjaw until he had his mask on stack on Bankai, and his constant lost to the 4th Espada until their final battle, so Aizen saying that can be a fact.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@galaxyexe3627 There's a pretty big difference between an ability being stopped, and physical force being too small to cause damage.

[@randomdude6446]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 thing is tho soi fon bought it so there had to be some precedent plus we see how urahara kido did nothing until aizen was super nerfed so it's an actual thing

[@jonahguez8928]

Video 4 asking for: Idea for a video: all of kisuke urahara creations, inventions and achievements. Thank you

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.

[@KORCORP]

Could’ve… yet reality is he’s scared of Zaraki and Yama

[@DestroAzureDx]

Ehh idk about that he'd still have to be kinda close by to do so. Which would put him in range of yamamoto.

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

aizen and yamamoto going all out very hard debate since yamamoto isint sure he can beat aizen and aizen isint sure he can beat yamamoto. yamamoto has a extremely powefull bankai how ever aizen can use his kyouka suigetsu to make yamamoto think hes punishing aizen but punishing himself very hard debate but at the same time its not cuz aizen was starting to tire out because he punished the gotei and the hogyoku was trying to understand

[@duo1666]

I think theres 2 potential ways to look at Wonderweiss. Either aizen viewed yamamoto as a clear threat and knew he would lose and thus made a counter to stall, or aizen was just being overly cautious. I think the second option is more true than the first. Its possible he didnt know how and when he would ascend, and wanted some level of insurance. And realistically, he is the type of person to take 0 risks even if he knows he is basically guaranteed to win. Even if he thinks he will win, why bother when you can just take losing out of the equation entirely. That being said... i dont think it was smart for yamamoto to not bankai. If his entire plan revolves around blowing them both up since before even starting this whole thing.... it would have been better to have a plan that allowed him to actually bankai and not kill literally everyone. Especially given the outcome of not using bankai had.

[@dandychiggins6143]

Aizen seemed to think Yamamoto would win and kill him. The whole reason Aizen made Wonderweiss was because he was scared of Yamamoto unleashing the full power of Ryujin Jakka against him, and Aizen intentionally sent half his forces to Karakura knowing the Gotei 13 would send half theirs meaning if Yamamoto were to unleash his full power he'd thus have to kill his own Shinigami in the crossfire which Aizen bet he wouldn't. So according to Aizen, Yamamoto could and would have killed him in a one-on-one if he had access to Ryujin Jakka and didn't have to worry about any bystanders getting caught in the crossfire. After Aizen fuses with the Hogyoku and becomes immortal, that's another story.

[@kazemizu]

Holding Aizen's sword is the only way to prevent its hypnotism. I'd argue having it lodged in his stomach counts.

[@corruptangel6793]

I 100% agree that BOTH Aizen and Yamamoto were unsure who would win should they truly clash. Not only because he never even bothered to try using Hakuda, Kido or Zanjutsu after catching Aizen and went straight for the kamikaze method, but because he didn't follow-up after trapping Aizen, Gin and Tosen in the fire prison at the start of the arc. In both situations he spoke with such confidence, yet his actions betrayed his doubt. However, simultaneously, I don't see how Aizen could lose in the World of the Living with only Kyoka Suigetsu...if he fought smart. If he'd gone for the vitals, bombarded with kido from a distance, or used Shunpo to cause death by a thousand cuts (akin to Nnoitra vs Kenpachi) Yamamoto would have been helpless. He'd never even be able to know when or if Aizen was attacking. That entire opening conversation could have been a product of KS while Aizen was actually hammering him with 90s lvl Hado or stacking bakudo to blitz and cut his head off, stab his Soul Sleep and Soul Chain, etc. Tbh, Aizen screwed up due to his arrogance which is why he got caught, and that's why he made Wonderwiese IMO. Because he knew just 1 mistake and Yamamoto would take him out with Ryujin Jakka one way or another.

[@elayemedidris7282]

An important point to add, since the Thousand Year Blood War feats were used is that both Ichigo and Aizen have become more powerful since their fight (Aizen leveled up while on the chair and it wouldn't make sense for Ichigo to be weaker). While only possessing half his strength and missing an arm, he was comfortably above that Bankai Ichigo's power when fighting the fake Yhwach. In the previous arc, he'd be facing a far weaker Aizen. While I understand it'd be hard or near impossible to kill him, he is also a Kido master so sealing him is a possibility. Only disadvantage for him is the terrain, which is the only reason why Aizen wasn't wiped out already.

[@rmeddy]

Yeah I think you covered the bases here. It really boils down to the capricious nature of the Hogyoku's Will, because Gin's gambit failed simply because the Hogyoku said so Yeah I want to give the nod to Yama because yeah you can't bullshit those flames but Aizen has a lot of tricks and I think he would've lengthen and stall the fight to get to the point where the Hogyoku could kick in because he still at least had his bankai, and I think he planned for that, if the Wonderweiss plan fell through, because we know he thinks in terms of those contingencies and back ups. It would've been interesting to see what would happen if Aizen got hit from a Zanka East or Zanka North attack, would it kick in and reform him from even the "nothingness" or ashes or would he have burned away like Rukia if she got hit from the Soukyoku?

[@randomdude6446]

His came back from being absorbed and annihilated by yhwach after losing the hogoku aid so he will certainly survive that

[@FrederickStepanis]

Really liking! These videos

[@Eavyn17]

You should do Yamamoto vs Ichiebe next!

[@drunknpoet]

Let us not forget that Aizen tanked a direct hit from forbidden Hadō #96 (Ittō Kasō - Single Blade Cremation; "Flame Sword Burial") from the Head Captain while Aizen was in base form, and then went on to no diff/no dodge Urahara's kedo rapidfire castings that included a 90s level kido.... BEFORE he was done Ascending even once (he was mid transformation). To be fair, that is when Urahara placed that seal on Aizen that eventually sealed him after Aizen was hit by Mugetsu, but it didn't stop him at the time, nor would that unique sealing Kidō have worked at all without Ichigo wrecking Aizen over and over (as stated by Urahara himself). Headcanon: Perhaps Aizen didn't tank that 90s level forbidden Kidō from Yamamoto. Aizen could have made it look that way using his shikai. I mean, Urahara can do a very similar technique against Aizen without Kyōka Suigetsu's shikai, so why wouldn't Aizen be able to do that while actually using Kyōka Suigetsu? I am not saying it happened, I am just saying that it is possible, and in well within his character's intellect and strategizing abilities, for Aizen to have been able to have done so.

[@sectionzerox75]

Love the vids keep them going

[@murtkhafoor464]

Ok but honestly can dual Zangetsu ichigo defeat Yamamoto, that's definitely an important question that I always thought about?

[@MaestroAlvis]

2:22 uhhh actually, fire never casts a shadow.

[@michealwatts7469]

I was legit hoping that Yama G would have pushed him to fusing or second stage. Seeing him H2H Wonderweiss was amazing, and he looked badass!

[@AlexESR71]

i guess it all comes down to who's got the highest reiatsu amount or highest reiatsu density. Both regarding who can cut who, and whose shikai is able to affect who. If we talk base form, I myself don't have a doubt Yama is up there in every single way. We're talking about an actual millenary warrior who's been built and shaped in the midst of battle. And I think people tend to forget a sanpakutou is just as strong as the wielder when talking about how "broken" kyoka suigetsu is. There's a reason the captains refer to ryujin jakka as "the strongest" sanpakutou there is. It's because Yama himself is "the strongest" shinigami out there (excluding division 0 of course) and if that wasn't relevant Aizen himself wouldn't've came up with a strategy to seal it and not deal with it. With proper prep, sure, Aizen is effective, but we can say it applies both ways. If Yama wasn't such a prideful dude he'd be able to actually gather with Urahara and I don't doubt they could come up with a way to rid Aizen of kyoka suigetsu.

[@k2basior]

A nice what if was could've the Espada beat Shinigami where you can discuss Arrancar vs Shinigami match-ups but in the Espada favor:-)

[@lombardo508]

If your remove wonderweiss you should also remove the prior altercation, as Aizen wouldn't allow himself to get caught like he did without his failsafe in wonderweiss

[@theperfectgirl-b8v]

i agree bro