MTG - U/B Mill Alternate Win Condition Modern Deck Tech for Magic: The Gathering!

[@TheManaSource]

Saw this deck on Magic Online last week. Couldn't stop playing it. Way too fun. Had to show all of you

[@thesquirteler4520]

Burn seems like a really bad math up; it runs only a few creatures, and it's all about fast, direct damage. Any good sideboard options for that?

[@robjoe5364]

+The Squirteler don't remember name but it gains you one life for each red spell the cast

[@robjoe5364]

What cards would u add for changing this into a howling mine or fog deck

[@foketeo]

put archive trap for sideboard, not all decks search...

[@KingGhidorahDBD]

+jonathan abreu With all the fetchlands in the format, it's a safe maindeck. trust me.

[@Spartan111713]

Opponent starts game with 7 cards in hand, 60 - 7 = 53 First turn they draw a card, down to 52 cards. Play a fetch, crack it, deck down to 51 cards, start sweating and laughing maniacally At end of their turn, cast all 4 archive traps, milling for 4 x 13 = 52 total. Their library has -1 cards in it. Go to your turn, draw, pass, win the game. The dream!

[@TheManaSource]

+King Shaunus Zing!

[@Spartan111713]

+TheManaSource The biggest challenge would be keeping a 4 archive trap hand without grinning from ear to ear...

[@crazykhespar8487]

+King Shaunus 1x Ghostquarter 4x archive trap... Make your opponent question their sanity. Step 1: play ghost quarter, behave annoyed at having no colored lands. Step 2: they play a land, somewhat pleased looking, pass. Step 3: on their end step, zap their land, 4x archive trap... Step 4: ??? Step 5: flip table. Step 6: Profit.

[@oinkpig33]

+Trevor Mccord rude but funny as all hell

[@Zickzag]

+King Shaunus i pulled this off a couple of years ago in cockatrice, i've made so many mills decks, it was my jam during my first 2 years of magic.

[@shappah221]

Sword of body and mind is an equipment that when the equipped creature attacks the opponent puts the top 10 cards of their library into their graveyard

[@nateszigeti3653]

Calling it a "spell aggro deck" makes me feel very differently about the idea of mill. You're quite the salesman, Wedge.

[@IslandDelverDaze]

I thought the same thing. makes me want to try it

[@TheManaSource]

+Nate Szigeti If it helps, I'm just telling it like I see it ;)

[@MrMarclax]

it's like a burn deck but with mill

[@ctrlthstry]

its not about the product,its about the customer.

[@staghead8710]

exactly what I thought! :)

[@jakekelly6017]

I love deck techs so much. Thanks Wedge I love coming home from work putting my feet up and watching your videos!

[@OgeecheeHymnal]

Almost finished building this deck...... Thanks for making all the remaining cards more expensive. Appreciated.

[@ryanmills1086]

I really like the Esper Mill variant adding in some path to Exiles to trigger the traps. I'm still running two Snapcasters (preferably more) and 3 remands for tempo swings. Really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@madrocsz69]

I've had this deck, or my brew similar to it, for years now. Few random things I have tried or still use and work beautifully - Darkness (lol at twin decks of days past), snapcaster and tasigur, extirpate in sb, isochron scepter (darkness, visions of beyond ), oboro palace in the clouds (extra crab triggers ) and a random sword, (hedron crab isn't a defender!)

[@90spepe]

I haven't seen Wedge so excited about a deck for a long time! You can see how he just loves blue!

[@kenpokid10]

The Breaking half of Breaking and Entering is also pretty decent for the deck, but probably would only be included in budget builds.

[@thrillmill6525]

I've been playing the mill archtype for years and I've never thought to put Ensnaring Bridge in my deck... Curse my eyes.

[@007TigerTank]

Ya, I said the same thing. Feel like an idiot.

[@ricksflicks-]

I've been trying to play mill since traumatize was printed. It was agonizingly slow. I used to run 3 bridges and 4 propagandas and a ton of black creature kill. Anything to try and get that traumatize/haunting echoes combo. Things have gotten much quicker...

[@Oooooooop10]

i run a similar version of this deck with a few key differences. I run a playset of snapcasters instead of the shadows guy for the versatility, i splash white for path for removal and another search trigger for the trap. Also a playset of ghost quarter is brilliant for triggering the trap and potentially strip mining them if they are trying to play around trap.

[@ThePrinceVegeta7]

iv been playing a version of this deck for a couple years now and what I like is that there is a high level of customization. I play around with 3 different builds from time to time depending on the meta and what not. definitely a good deck to try for people interested in mill. you can make it as creature heavy as you like, use the duskmantle guildmage+ mindcrank combo, or anything in between. tinker around and see what works best for you

[@SmoothCriminal_-fp3ig]

Holy sweet Jesus an actually somewhat competitive Modern mill deck. Uploaded on my birthday. feels good man

[@GeorgeLoftus]

I was putting together a U/B mill deck for EDH (for 2-3 players) and holy buckets this looks like so much fun to play too.

[@Azel247]

Been playing this type of deck since 2007... recently modified it to become a UB control deck that slowly but surely mills the opponent out! Many of the cards are similar, but there's more protection in the form of damnation, remands, mana leaks, creature removal etc. Consuming Aberration is always fun to thrown down once the opponent is open

[@BencioDj]

This was my first modern deck ever, so much fun!

[@TheRazz1717]

I do a basic creature less deck with Breaking and Entering, Mind Grind and Mind Scour. The one creature I use is 2 Consuming Aberration and 4 Snapcasters. You can sideboard talent of the telepath for burn decks.

[@frkshw_edc9887]

I've been playing mill and loving it for a good while. I would replace the mind funerals with breaking//entering. I run mind funerals in the sideboard for burn, infect, tron, and affinity.

[@kekleon-Gamer]

I know this is overdue, but Fraying Dsniry is a new card from Hour of Devastation, and doubles mill power. Another card which I'm pretty sure was printed at the time is Wight of Precint Six, for more offensive / defensive power.

[@rendevoir4736]

dropping 3 archive trap + glimpse in response of your own quarter trigger is brutal. one of the best glass cannons i ever saw. also feeling really stupid dropping bridge after phantasm, its just a big ass flying wall

[@bobmichaelsen2891]

This reminds me a lot of +GG Degree . Luke also talked about his mill deck, and wanted to build it soooo badly, but for some strange reason I went with BW Tokens... yeah

[@manuelgeraldino2235]

Some buffs came to mill in recent years. I recommend running fraying sanity or psychic corrosion for some heavy card draw builds

[@shanedavis5799]

You've gotta have a Telemin Performance in the sideboard. For creature light decks it's hardcore mill plus you take Tron's Emrakul so you can mill them out (or just kill them with Emrakul).

[@KeysofIDproductions]

Undead Alchemist equipped with Trepanation Blade. They mill, you get zombie tokens for each creature milled, then the milling engine is accelerated due to the number of zombies you've accumulated. I figured a UB zombie mill control build would work since I've played against that back in innistrad block standard.

[@jurgensterckx7007]

I have always had a soft spot for mill, can't really tell why... Just the simple mechanics of it is hilarious. Not saying it will be appreciated if you play it all the time, but for a hoot, and some diversity, you can't beat mill. And Wedge's enthousiasm is very catchy. Keep up the great vids. Greetings from Belgium.

[@jameswilson4328]

This takes me back, my first foray into magic was the Dimir intro pack out of the Gatecrash expansion. Love mill, love the alternate win cons, may build this even though it would certainly struggle in my meta. QUICK QUESTION: Why not Snapcaster?

[@brucepraska7781]

thanks for the deck and by the way I love the deck idea just for the simple reason that Mill is kind of one of those decks where nobody expects it and it always can be a tear one deck for that reason alone

[@brucepraska7781]

as well as ley-line of sanctity kind of stops your deck but with Manic scribe it kind of helps the deck out a lot just cuz it does say each opponent as well as mesmeric orb and if nothing else you could always sideboard in something like lab maniac for an even better alternate wind condition over and above Jace's Phantasm and I guess you could always add dust mantle guildmage with the infinite combo of mindcrank which by the way does not Target at all is well so it really puts the deck on the map and in the off-chance that they decide the shut off your combo and eliminate scribe Maniac with like rest in peace it's kind of like well I don't really have to go buy that game plan now it turns into I'm going to just Exile your deck instead which really shuts down a lot of decks for the simple reason that graveyard strategies are kind of prevalent right now such as Delver and zombies kind of being a deck combo decks to somewhat rely on the graveyard which actually even if you side in the ley-line of the Void it actually turns off your deck a little bit but not too much all things considered Love The Deck Tech and thank you again

[@RabbitOvHell1990]

I saw an almost identical build at my LGS but the player also splashed white for some number of Blind Obedience, slowing down the opponent and draining life with every mill spell he cast. Also added 2 (didnt see more than 2) Path to Exile, taking care of enemy threats AND the opponent searches the library (get's Archive Trap online). thought that was really sweet... mill needs more love! =)

[@Kyle-xd1ci]

I actually prefer the esper route that way you can make them search using Path to Exile. Also Trapmaker's Snare is perfect to search out an Archive Trap when they search their library. Also gives you the colors to run your own Leyline of Sanctities. Another good sideboard especially when you mill an Emrakul in someone's Tron or Nahiri deck is Ravenous Trap. Set Adrift is also a phenomenal card to deal with your opponent's Leyline of Sanctity.

[@WayneAnonymous]

I have been waiting for this kind of deck for ages ; O ; always wanted to build something around mill

[@stephent3963]

you inspired me to build a mill deck..........I came in 3 rd place at a modern fnm, i love your channel

[@openboosters]

Loved the vid, Hate mill! again Great vid!

[@petercasper7566]

Love your channel dude, so jealous of your collection!

[@heliocentric7705]

I myself am in the midst of constructing a dimir mill deck. I was skeptical about the Manic creature, still am. I feel like a playset of Twincast in its place may be better I think my main deck looks somewhat similar to this deck. 4x Jaces Phantasm 4x Hedron Crab 4x Visions from Beyond 4x Thought Scour 4x Glimpse the Unimaginable 4x Mind Sculpt 4x Memory Sluice 4x Twincast 4x Breaking Entering (Note: replace mind sculpt with Archive Trap..? Maybe replace a memory sluice, twincast, and a thought scour with x3 mind funeral) As you said, its a race against the clock, and I feel like my version can get off.and go quickly, I may add I have not play tested it, but in my mind it seems as though it has what it takes. I like the idea of Thought scour because it still mills, but also enables more draws along with Visions... I would prefer some Twincast's because if the conditions are permissible to an archive trap, or two going off, and one were sitting on two, maybe even four mana we can replicate that spell once or twice enabling 26-39-52+ cards.which is stupid. Even so I believe a Twin cast on a mind funeral, or Breaking/Entering is great. I feel it would really shine with an archive trap or mind funeral though. I like Memory sluice because it's still cheap, and initially as potent as a Tome Scour, but could render itself as Breaking/Entering if we have the creatures to enable the conspire mechanic, which I like the idea of. I believe a cut on some cards for a couple mind funerals might be wise though. I believe a sideboard of crypt incursions is ideal, maybe some riddlekeepers, Traumatize, Jace Memory Adept, Startled Awakening, Ashiok(s), Nightmare Weaver, Nemesis of Reason, Consuming Aberration, Increasing Confusion, Dream Twists, Mind Grind.... things of that nature possibly..

[@DracosDiabolis]

Rimewind Taskmage (just trade out the islands for snow-islands) and the Mesmeric Orb. Tap the Orb and the end of their turn, it becomes innert. but almost anything that taps or becomes tap flips itself off when it is tapped, even things that don't normally tap. nice little twisting of the rules, Tap Orb at the end of their turn, and you untap everything including the Orb with no drawbacks like from the Orb.

[@thefoolsarekings]

+Dan Acton the ruling that artifacts lose their ability when tapped has been removed a while ago. so it doesn't work anymore

[@DracosDiabolis]

dantekratos gaming wow, didn't know they changed that. well crap....

[@phyrexiannewborn7104]

+Dan Acton Naw, Mesmeric Orb's effect does not turn off when it is tapped. Under OLD, OLD rules, it would be the case, but the rules for constant effect artifacts changed a long time ago, long before Mesmeric Orb was originally printed in Mirrodin.

[@tobiaspause1775]

you have some really nice decks here. Sadly i dont have all the expensive cards, but i have two milldecks too and if you ignore the format, i can get nice decks too. For example hedron crab and Exploration combined with trading secrets means death. Howling mine with sphinx tutelage and Jaces Familar / Avatar of woe is the other one. (So funny to make old cards playable again)

[@SeverianTheLame]

I have always really liked Mill as an alt wincon. I think, though, that I prefer the forced-draw, fog mill strategy with Sphinx's Tutelage (with a side of Luminarch Ascension).

[@paulhonegger278]

my favorite addition to this deck line up would be twincast... for 2 double glimpse, mind funeral, archive trap, visions, crypt, insane addition...

[@ericofire]

deck looks cool. not sure i like the contradiction between ensnaring bridge and visions from beyond, but maybe later in the game you can dump it all anyway

[@marcusw6713]

Noticed consuming aberration has worked wonders for me, Mill until a land when you play a spell and becomes that much stronger, nothing feels better than to swing with a 30/30 but downside is that it needs trample or unblockable to get it through often

[@GorehoundABB]

Hey Wedge I run an Esper Mill deck. Full list below. I find it a bit more resilient than running strictly U/B. Most of the card list is the same except for the inclusion of an one of Eldrazi, Path to Exile , Breaking/Entering , a downgraded creature list, the sideboard and the adjusted land base. I am interested to see what you think of this over the U/B version. Having been playing mill for a while now I have tested with multiples of versions of the deck I have found all creatures other than Hedron Crab to be largely ineffective in my case as creature heavy decks will often tempo out the deck by killing said creatures the turn after being cast to gain an advantage you cant get back from. Making removal more or less dead draws since the deck isn't designed to be interactive. In my experience, the current list I am running makes most of my opponent's removal spells dead cards and makes my removal twice as good. Path to Exile eats big blow outs like Goyf and serves as dual purpose of exiling a problem creature, allowing our opponent to search for that basic and play Archive Trap on the follow up play or bluff out the opponent out of searching effectively exiling a threat with no draw back. Same principle with Ghost Quarter. Mind Funeral is a card I have kinda grew to hate over my time play mill. You are correct that it can blow out land lite decks but in some cases, it can fall sort of Breaking/Entering. I prefer Startled Awake in the slot as it can be brought back in the late game once Traps are exhausted and it mills 13 cards solid with no drawback. I prefer a guaranteed mill count than something that can lose me the game on luck of the draw. The one of Emrakul is something I have been testing out and it is something that has saved me games and kept me in the game longer with multiple Orbs in play without the risk of milling myself out which is something that I have had happen and its not fun. As an one off the deck it allows graveyard shuffling if hit by the Orb and allows to keep the deck full of mill spells. Startled Awake also helps out here as if I have any extra mana left open, I can get Persistant Nightmare on board with a solid chance of hitting Emrakul. On some fringe cases I have had it hidden under Shelldock Isle as a win con and since I don't have to pay for its mana cost, i am casting it and thus given the extra turn. 15/15 spaghetti monster is pretty strong as the one of here. Especially when you list where you can theoretically mill myself into Emrakul, get him with Entering + Shelldock Isle and beat face the same can be done with any opposing powerhouses. Ensnaring Bridge, I am on the fence about this card. Yes it stalls but it also takes up a utility slot that can be used for more mill. I prefer to run Ghostly Prison as it just adds to the Orbs power level. Finally, White Leyline. Shuts down the U/B version of the deck. With Esper there is always a chance to hard counter it through discard, natural milling or through Disenchant. Main: 4 Archive Trap 4 Breaking / Entering 2 Crypt Incursion 3 Darkslick Shores 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 4 Flooded Strand 2 Ghost Quarter 4 Glimpse the Unthinkable 1 Godless Shrine 2 Hallowed Fountain 4 Hedron Crab 1 Island 3 Mesmeric Orb 2 Startled Awake 3 Path to Exile 1 Plains 3 Polluted Delta 3 Shelldock Isle 3 Surgical Extraction 1 Swamp 4 Thought Scour 4 Visions of Beyond 1 Watery Grave Sideboard: 1 Ghostly Prison 2 Disenchant 2 Mind Funeral 2 Engineered Explosives 3 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Rest in Peace 2 Stony Silence

[@Hyunkel33]

In the sideboard, I'd had a couple Tormod's Crypt, to counter decks that play the Eldrazis titans or cards with similar effects.

[@diabloelmo]

This is an archetype I've been playing with on and off with for years, and I think SOI might really have some serious fuel for the deck. Instead of Manic Scribe, however, I have been eyeing off the rather tasty Thing in the Ice to provide some much-needed defense and a fairly serious alternate win-con that your opponent cannot ignore, and doesn't really care at all about effects that reshuffle the graveyard back into the deck.

[@flourish7759]

If it wasn't $120 for 4 glimpse the unthinkable. I would buy the deck./

[@simicslaw6465]

Try 4x Mind Sculpt instead. It is a M15 common that costs 1U for the same effect minus 3 cards. It is extremely underplayed.

[@marceloquejinho]

+KittyTCG You can use Breaking/Entering, a little weaker but may be a starting point

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

+KittyTCG I run both Breaking and Mind Sculpt instead of Glimpse. I also like some countermagic like Psychic Strike. With Shelldock Isle for the hideaway, Traumatize is fun too. Not as good as the above, but a budget alternative. I've found that the real MVPs are Hedron Crabs with your fetches, and Archive Trap against theirs. It adds up very quickly.

[@bon2yan88]

$33 now for a set

[@saiicarus]

It just got a reprint

[@Hairy0David]

5:31 "Ancestral Vision" Sounds like a cool card to me.

[@nthnppps]

wall of penial ( got prairie dog stream) delver of secretstd, maybe if delirium is rough go more spells then maybe even snatch caster too

[@zealcrux]

Man, this deck looks fun to pilot.

[@marka7759]

luv the deck soooo much :DD i experimented with including consuming aberration (beneath the sheldock soooo brutal if it comes to lategame) and/or duskmantle guildmage mindcrank combo.... i mean its like pay 3 mana archive trap opponent loses 13 cards and 13 life harhar :D

[@chivestm1635]

Sweet deck! Keep up the great work!!!!

[@1forallre891]

Mill is my most favorite deck ever

[@1forallre891]

A funny way to make people mad at you is turn one grind stone turn two painters servant turn three tap grindstone you win automatically it is one of my favorite mill combo's.

[@twitchster77]

I've always loved mill...at least the idea of mill. I'm not a fan of creature heavy builds though like this one. I usually only run 4-7 creatures. 4x Hedron Crabs, and I've experimented off and on with 2-3x Snapcaster Mage. I then play Damnations...and though this is super casual...I've actually been nothing but happy with running a couple of copies of devastation tide in my deck as well. It's also great to splash white. With the amount of fetches we run, it's not an issue at all. What white brings in is 4x Path to exile. Amazing removal, that (along with ghost quarter) helps you abuse archive trap. I've also...being the noob that I am...have experimented with varying numbers of twincasts. Usually 2. It's a TON of fun having 2 archive traps + twincast in hand. Mill 39 for 2 mana? YES PLEASE!

[@twitchster77]

+twitchster77 Here's my current Esper list. I don't play it in anything serious, but it's pretty damn consistent and does pretty well. ----CREATURES (6): 4x Hedron Crab 2x Snapcaster Mage ----MILL (18): 4x Thought Scour 4x Glimpse The Unthinkable 4x Mind Funeral 4x Archive Trap 2x Surgical Extraction ----CARD DRAW (4): 2x Visions Of Beyond 2x Anticipate ----REMOVAL (6): 4x Path To Exile 2x Damnation ----MISC. (2): 2x Crypt Incursion ----LAND (24): 4x Polluted Delta 4x Flooded Strand 2x Ghost Quarter 4x Watery Grave 2x Hallowed Fountain 1x Oboro, Palace in the Clouds 3x Island 2x Swamp 2x Plains

[@captainspazam]

How do you deal with Leyline of Sanctity games 2 and 3? Or is it just one of those "Welp, you got the counter to my deck, I guess I lose now," situations?

[@jaredvargas5785]

+captainspazam I guess Echoing Truth? Seems bad but dunno what else is out there.

[@GuyThatCantSing]

+captainspazam side in labratory maniac and mill yourself i guess.

[@KingGhidorahDBD]

Echoing truth is actually pretty good. it's 4 mana otherwise and this deck can virtually manascrew your opponent due to all the milling screwing up draws.

[@brucepraska7781]

Its called maniac scribe and mesmeric orb that's all and a whole lot of praying

[@aarlavaan]

great video, as always. really enjoyed the deck breakdown. :)Wedge, I would be curious to know what you think of a mill deck that I designed back in the original zendikar block.

[@sparkythespooderduck8723]

my friend runs a more draw centric version of this deck with jaces and sphinx tutelage with cards like brainstorm to trigger sphinx 4 times in the same turn, it's EXTREMELY powerfull against mono colored decks

[@DilanQuill]

I played a W/U mill back when the trap was standard. I would combo it with Path to Exile for hilarious results.

[@doorkeeperforlethal8015]

I'm running blue white turbo fog to some nice success. I don't even use sphinx's Revelation. sphinx's tutelage all day long.

[@DHWorlds]

A Splash of White sure would do wonders in some matchups. the synergy between Path to Exile and Archive Trap is just absurd. not only that but White Sideboard options are significantly wider and more effective. Sure worth trying out!!!!

[@Scrungusss]

I would run Mirko Vasks instead of Mind Funeral. He costs one more and has the same effect but it triggers when he deals damage to a player, since he has flying, that usually isn't too hard. Plus he can double as a blocker if you're having issues holding on to really quick aggressive creature decks.

[@Scrungusss]

He actually costs two more than Mind Funeral. Still would run it though. Pay 5 once and if they don't have a response to flyers you're in. Sideboard the Mind Funerals and if they have a lot of flyers bring in the Mind Funerals in their place.

[@GuyThatCantSing]

+BuddhistReaperGames no not at all. when you are a deck where their removal is pretty weak, mirko will be a target for it. also, mirko vosk costs 2 more which is a huge tempo swing.

[@TheManaSource]

+BuddhistReaperGames I don't like the increase in cost and it doesn't have haste. Way too slow.

[@seayoung4593]

i actually have a successful mill deck as well, it is not as aggro but it does make things hard for my opponent quickly by round three. my deck is mainly focused around sphinx's tutelage and memory erosion though.

[@Gattawon]

I think esper mill is stronger. you can put Path to Exile in the mainboard and that has synergy with Archive Trap; move bridge to the sideboard. white also gets you disenchant and leylines for yourself against burn if your meta needs them. 4 copies of surgical extraction should be in the main! it kills so many decks if you know what to extract. i also like getting rid of the phantasm for snapcaster.

[@MTGEDH]

Esper is good and I agree with most points outside of Snapcaster. He is too slow. You need at least 4 mana for him to be good which is not consistent with the land base. Phantasm gets online faster for both offense and/or defense. 5/5 can stay on board longer than a 2/1. Not to mention being a flyer in modern is pretty relevant.

[@Gattawon]

I agree that snapcaster is only good later in the game, but I think he's a free archive trap, path, surgical extraction, or glimpse when you're in danger of running out of gas. this is not a deck that wants to deal damage, so I think phantasm is contrary to the library attack strategy, but that's just my opinion. I'd rather get more cards milled and chump block with the snap, than have a 5/5 flier that can get killed with almost any removal spell

[@MTGEDH]

While Snapcaster might help late in the game you can have a 5/5 Flyer T1. Snap literally dies to everything so it can't chump much. Forget having 2 5/5. That is potentially game in 2 swings regardless of how many cards left in a library or creatures on board as most decks aren't running flyers. Not to mention it blocks 90% of threats no problem. In a meta of fast decks you can't afford to wait and get potential value from Snap. It isn't as consistent as phantasm. I know it seems counter intuitive to do both mill and beatdown but just like affinity can switch from normal damage to infect it just works.

[@tcot-wi8wf]

Yeah snapcaster would be good in the deck so would surgical extraction

[@lilith3508]

mirrorpool and jace's mindseeker are good for this as well

[@rabner93]

I play basically a non-creature version of this deck. It only plays the 4 crabs and is Esper instead of just UB. Definitely a fun deck though, especially in this format.

[@lucazadelemon]

Hi Wedge, fantastic deck tech once again! Was just wondering, what about the possibility of using Startled Awake instead of Archive Trap against decks that aren't fetching for lands? I know it's sorcery speed but it's one mana less and has a chance to be brought back later for matches that take those few turns longer.

[@arloarntsen4518]

I would get rid of the mind funerals and 1 other creature to put in a playset of path. Fun with archive trap. Also ghost quarters as opposed to shelldock isles

[@dorping_Wolf]

what about "Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver" ? 3 mill each turn, and if they want to get rid of him, they have to attack (mostly) him, and he buys you some time. "Breaking /// Entering" as mentioned in other comments. about side board, i would think about "Dimir Charm" . counter, removal, or deck control (still mill 2) could work.

[@hunkrodriguez6510]

is good but you need crestures in your opononent's graveyard yo stay alive

[@Kizer5Red]

Glimpse the Unthinkable, Mind Grind, spot removal + stall spells

[@razorx540]

I almost feel like running snapcaster Mage to flashback your glimpse of archive trap would be value.

[@modernminded5466]

+razorx540 - You don't really get to 7 mana though XD But For glimpse sure.

[@ExistToComment]

+razorx540 I tried snapcasters and twincasts when I first started playing mill but I ended up cutting them pretty quickly. Jace, Vryn's Prodigy however, is very good - it's worded differently to snapcaster so you can cast archive trap for free, you can get the flashback effect multiple times, and you don't need to pay 2 mana in advance in a deck that rarely has a surplus of lands.

[@heliocentric7705]

razorx540 I thought the same thing, but I think that Twincast is even better in.a sense..But it all comes down to preference, do you want to.establish more board presence with a 2/1 creature, but also spend the the additional cost of the spell. example; Glimpse, Snapcaster, then Glimpse again, so u need atleast 6 mana to do this within the same turn.. I feel like I've played so many fast decks in my life, that Twincast has greater potential at an even faster rate, mitigating 2 less mana. Example; I would rather Glimpse, Twincast, then Twincast again at converted mana cost 6, than to throw in a Snapcaster in the equation, he slows down the method imo. All preference, again.

[@heliocentric7705]

ExistToComment I was thinking Twincast would be far more prevalent than Snapcaster. Interesting Jace, Vryns Prodigy is more beneficial, going to reread him.

[@nightdragon669]

this build has me thinking about a deck I'm building that has pithing needle and jester's cap in it in main

[@PlaneswalkerProject]

This kinda reminded me of a deck I built a few months back trying to figure a deck to get into Modern with. This build though...it's just mean o.o

[@Isheian]

What do you think about a small red splash for pyromancers accession? Maybe adding the pyromancers goggles for free copies of your mill spells.

[@Isheian]

Or psychic strike, protect your mill spells or screw up their day and make they mill as punishment for trying.

[@nallstarr]

I ran psychic strike for a really long time in my UB mill, but ultimately it just slowed me down because I'd save mana when I knew a crushing spell would be coming at me instead of more milling.

[@lopysaursrex5344]

only thing i would add would be tramatize or fleet swallower from ixalan

[@orion4559]

My first ever deck in MTG was a sphinx’s tutelage / enter the infinite mill with some gurruks wake, yeah a really bad deck, its been two years now i run this deck in modern, and i love it!

[@ThatDigitalChameleon]

This is literally my mill deck aside from subbing breaking and entering for glimpse because of cost

[@TheEfengy]

hey man, i love your outro music. is there a longer version of it anywhere?

[@Ch4p4ch4]

Song is called "beginning of time"

[@TheEfengy]

+Ch4p4ch4 thanks :)

[@benjamynmartin2293]

bounce land's would be good in here too as a kinda budget option for land

[@stevenklnes7148]

Hey Wedge, what are your thoughts on Spellweaver Helix? I tend to play a lot of multiplayer casual so I also run Consuming Aberration. I do really like this deck tech and will be building towards it in the near future.

[@thecusk6918]

Maybe put in Duskmantle Guildmage and/or Mindcrank?

[@thebirdnerd6675]

I've one on turn 0 will mill, when i was on the draw. I drew all four archive traps, they fetched, and I laughed to the point where I almost needed the Heimlich maneuver.

[@ThatDigitalChameleon]

Ravenous trap or leyline? Exile for grudge and reshuffle triggers. I side them.

[@forkpapi]

ThatDigitalChameleon maybe just a bojuka bog in the main

[@Atztec1]

Well, I play a U/B Mill Deck too, mostly for fun. After i played a few Rounds against a Friend, a Question popped up and i was looking it up. It Seems like Mesmeric Orb can be "counterd" in a way i never imagined. Here is the Rule Setting im Speaking of : 502.2. Second, the active player determines which permanents he or she controls will untap. Then he or she untaps them all simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack. Normally, all of a player’s permanents untap, but effects can keep one or more of a player’s permanents from untapping. Either i am Dumb as Hell or the Ruling Says that u can choose what u want to Untap !?!

[@cbrsdf1]

+Atztec1 The rules tells us that you determine which permanents won't untap for an effect. It's quite the contrary. You untap all your permanents, except those that an effect keep them from untapping.

[@Atztec1]

Cesar Barrios Well the problem here is that this "Obvious" State of effect, doesnt get mentioned, its literally untap what u want. imo

[@Niedomysm]

Wedge I know this comment is really late to the party but I wanted to see what you think of psychic spiral in the deck. It may be a hefty cost but you would have plenty in your grave to hit them for and also get everything back to keep milling.

[@braydenchapman9492]

How important would using ensnaring bridge be or could you switch it out for Fraying Sanity

[@fuzzytubeman6162]

Brayden Chapman I'd keep the bridge, drop the orb. The sanity would punish an opponent more than the orb could

[@neovah2626]

+TheManaSource how do you feel about the jace from origins (cant remember his name off the top of my head because i'm bad) . i know hes expensive but with the traps and the rate you want to be casting your spells, he seems like he would be decent for a bit of reccursion, plus in walker form he might eat a few points of damage for you which could end up saving you. im not sure if it is viable or what you would want to change seeing how im nowhere near an expert in modern but it seems interesting.

[@varasatoshi3961]

Whenever I make a modern mill deck it always has 4 crab 4 tome scour 4 mind sculpt 4 breaking/entering and 4 glimpse the unthinkable. Then for card advantage I run 4 visions, and to interact with that I run 4 sphinx's tutelage and 3 Jace's erasure, and for good measure 3 mind funeral.

[@varasatoshi3961]

And 4 crypt incursion

[@PsiberPiRat]

I hope this sees headway. I like mill a lot. Only other things I could wish for is wizards printing some actual counterspells and giving mono blue a viable way to win by postponing to super late game that isn't abusable. Neither of those are likely if I'm being honest though

[@davidk.4034]

Okay Wedge. Question. I've modified my UB Mill deck on MTGO to be more like this build, by adding the Orbs, the Bridges and the Phantasms. I personally don't like the SOI two drop, I'd rather run Snapcasters for their value. I also run Nephalia Drownyards, because sometimes you need that reach. Have you been playing with this list at all, trying other things, or are you too busy with all the great content you put out here?

[@tcorninptown]

Looks like an awesome deck, i just dont see how it will get through infect. I guess boarding in surgical extraction for your crypt incursion will help, i just cant see that helping enough though.

[@chrisyoungstrom5047]

what about thing in the ice could block enough draw attention and the flip is a nice reset

[@ferdithetank7535]

So, how does this deck fights against Leylines and Eldrazi Titans? If Leyline of the Void hurts our strategy(makes Crypt Incursion and Visions of Beyond bad), than maybe sideboarding Relic for such cases?

[@KWFlange]

It is probably too much to splash white for path to exile (removal for one white if they don't search and free trap if they do), but what about thought scour for mill 2 plus card draw for 1 blue?

[@warrenlantz]

Believe it or not, I played against this at my game shop a few weeks ago. Opponent was running this list minus the ensnaring bridges. He threw in Surgical Extractions.

[@jeremyrice1463]

comming back to this what would we change?

[@michaellapalme1198]

Could you please explain the logic behind the land choices? They seem less "uniform" than the rest of the list, why is that? Thanks!

[@trueblue6564]

Hey Wedge, I've been trying to make my own version of this deck for a while, going back to this video several times. I guess I'm just going for a budget version of this. Anyway, here are my questions: first, is it worth it to have Jace, Memory Adept or Ashiok in the sideboard? Second, if we can't afford polluted delta and the like, is there any reason not to use Espur Panorama or Evolving Wilds instead?

[@rapajara]

I'd throw a consuming aberration in there, probably a great addition

[@mordred158]

Anyone else notice that you have a turn one kill with four archive traps in your opening had?

[@robertpowell8415]

wedge how do you feel about Breaking // entering ? only breaking i guess but seems good to have multiple 2 drop mill 10/8.

[@staghead8710]

I often if not always KILL game one, but after that it gets tough bc I side in different cards that do not have to do with Mill...next time I'm just going to stay with the original deck list

[@graelstream2353]

wedge love your channel please do Goryo's vengeance deck tech! :)

[@Galaphor]

WEDGE! you didnt put the sideboard in the decklist in the description! also how do you get to test these decks?

[@TheManaSource]

+Galaphor L I use a program called Cockatrice to do all of my testing.

[@Galaphor]

awesome! thanks wedge, keep being the best MTG youtuber out there!