Mugen Civic Type R | How Will History Judge?

We review the Mugen Honda Civic Type R Prototype in coordination with King Motorsports. The 10th gen Civic is now done, and the used and aftermarket is set to support this car long term. We look at the added power, suspension setup, and aero changes. Would you choose this over a Mazda3 Turbo, Veloster N, or VW Golf R?
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:30 King Motorsports and Mugen
4:15 Mechanical Impressions and Changes
14:55 Street Driving Impressions
18:18 Track Impressions at Autobahn Country Club
22:53 Final Thoughts

[@HondaProJason]

I’ve had my last 3 Hondas modified & tuned by King Motorsports! The knowledge and attention to detail is the best in the automotive world. I’m so glad to see you guys get the i side look and drive the Mugen prototype CTR!! Amazing job creating this vid.

[@EmorSceneForME]

K-tuner ?

[@hondacrx0]

Hi Jason, have a nice weekend✌🏼 Love your channel😍

[@savagegeese]

Hondata

[@in54ne82]

Where's king motorsports located? Can they do a remote tune on a different dyno?

[@slottro]

Same! They did a full build on my first civic. I love these guys.

[@future62]

Mugen: we didn't want the suspension to be too expensive so we just made a set of springs and hoped for the best Also Mugen: here's a *$5,000* exhaust that makes 3 HP and drones on the highway

[@papa_pt]

😛

[@dragospahontu]

It's called unsprung weight

[@Riknos]

Mugen stuff really is good quality, Mugen titanium exhaust on the s2000 is a work of art and super light for example, but yes you pay for quality.

[@papa_pt]

@@cowmath77 suspension/damping is dialed in for the stock spring rates lmao. I bet this rides like garbage now.. like my car after putting on H&R for two months

[@papa_pt]

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks super stiff springs with stock dampers (unadjusted for the higher spring rates) is a recipe for ride quality disaster

[@BenilJoseph]

The production value is just insane

[@WhiteLivesMatterPL]

Like in every other video

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Savagegeese is on a roll.

[@TheJacobGZuma]

Its the best! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@squidproquo2241]

And the Honda is awesome too, right?

[@Syncopia]

The soy injections are working!

[@dextardextar]

So happy I got to ride in an Integra Type R in the 90's...still remember the experience.

[@dragospahontu]

VTEC yo

[@rezwan6613]

@george p It is not only about speed

[@dragospahontu]

@george p man Honda really makes special cars because of VTEC. 300hp is different from every brand. You really need to get a ride in a Honda💪.

[@dragospahontu]

@george p yeah the new VTEC isn't that special but the old VTEC was the real deal.

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah, when they were talking about lift off oversteer it brought back some sweet memories, that DC2 Type R was so easy to manage it, just a joy to drive at the limit, one of those bad life decisions I made when I sold mine.

[@peterpabian]

Straight up Gran Turismo music for this one.

[@Zonno5]

Ben Curtis - Grooving in LA 😫👌

[@squidproquo2241]

and straight up an awesome Honda.

[@ryans6280]

I love Jack's thousand mile stare at the camera multiple times in this video lol

[@charlesdr1981]

He was rude! Two time interrupted Mark. Let the man finish his sentence than you can talk. I love Honda cars so much and especially these special editions, but i wanted to stop watching because of Jack.

[@CumBrianFries]

@@charlesdr1981 Jack rude? Nah, it must be YOU!

[@squidproquo2241]

And he stares at the Awesome Honda even ten thousand times.

[@attananightshadow]

i have fond memories of Honda's F1 team in the early 2000s... they were able to put down amazing lap times in polling, then exploded halfway through the actual race.

[@massterwushu9699]

Not these days!

[@traviswebster8302]

They work with red bull and are first this year

[@azaz911c]

But...there was also the era of "GP2 engine, GP2 engine!"

[@Marbeary]

Ahh eurobeat a man of culture!

[@t44e6]

Bad culture.

[@kiloolandri7529]

@@t44e6 Nah, *true* culture

[@takeit1229]

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[@t44e6]

@@kiloolandri7529 I bet you eat corn on the cob longways.

[@kasmos0165]

I came for this

[@MaxSpeedMike]

I believe the 10th gen type r will be a very rare and collectable car.

[@dragospahontu]

They made very many of them so only the Mugen will be a collectible

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@dragospahontu nah i'm talking about a longer period of time

[@douglasshouganai2516]

@@MaxSpeedMike after 40 years, a number of things become collectible. The 10th gen Type R, being the first one the US gets for the civic, will likely be collectible. The mk3 Ford Focus RS will also become a collectible. but for me, a car is meant to be driven and enjoyed. just like a gun is meant to be shot. hurts collectors value, but i think its equally disappointing to have it sit and just be eye candy.

[@milkymike122]

It won’t be super rare but it will become a legend tho, the pinnacle of FF

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@douglasshouganai2516 of course. I stand with you on that. I drive my cars a LOT and i hope to buy a type R and rack up the miles on that thing as well lol

[@notoymotor4me64]

As a 69 y/o fanboy. (fanman?), I would like to thank Mark and Jack for this detailed review. And, a special shout out to Scott Z for helping me set up my 84 Civic S to become a winning auto x car. Scott, I am the guy that bought your brothers CRX SI. And, I still have your original catalog. Cheers.

[@zmoney1212]

Fanpa...

[@williamsilvajr7009]

@@zmoney1212 Cool.

[@DiZdain]

The best car reviewers on KZbin with another killer review, well done.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Disagree. Too much bias in their reviews, but their cinematography is really good.

[@xcharles1]

@@JacesOwnWorld I’m with Jace on this one.

[@squidproquo2241]

And the Honda in this video is awesome, as well. Right?

[@LumpyThePug]

Best reviews and such refreshing points of view. Thanks Mark and Jack.

[@stephenschan]

"It feels like OEM factory tune!" I mean, what else would you expect from Honda's founder's son's Racing Inspired Certified Enhanced tuner-focused company lol

[@m00hk00h]

The engine tuning is done by King, not Mugen. Mugen 'only' made the parts.

[@dannoyes4493]

The denouement was exceptional. Well Done, Dr. Goose & Jack.

[@2006gtobob]

This had to be my favorite video I've ever watched from you two and I've laughed and had a great time with every one of them over the years!

[@joseacuna3239]

The dramatic ending leave me with that weird sensation like I’m loosing something. Thanks for this approach to this car

[@taylorc2542]

It was a bit forced. This car will still be remembered for it's Original Sin of ricer styling.

[@joseacuna3239]

@@taylorc2542 I don’t see it like that, of course one can say the aero was a little excessive but remembering the WRX’s and evos I feel like they came late to the party.

[@muthukumaranc]

Amazing video! Appreciate your work guys, didn't realize the 24 mins at all which doesn't happen often. Keep up the great work! Thoroughly enjoyed the video.

[@josefgordon7712]

Can I have a Mugen Odyssey? Like the TSX Type S powertrain with some wicked body kit would tight 👌🤜🤛

[@papa_pt]

I think the closest we got was the Ford Flex Ecoboost.. Or R63 AMG

[@josefgordon7712]

@@papa_pt I bet some twisted genius could make the Mugen Minivan happen tho 😜👹🙏

[@thatcopenguy]

back in the mid 2000s Mugen had a really sick JDM Odyssey. It was mostly cosmetic but was based on the higher Power Absolute trim with a 200/206hp K24. It was auto only though.

[@caglioso]

Bisimoto has a wild Odyssey build

[@danielpark94]

would love a j37 shawd setup in a ody. would i buy one? hell no but the idea itself seems so damn cool lmao

[@kcm732]

amazing as alwsys fellas, knocking it out of the park. still to this days its amazing to see how up you guys are on these vehicles from a serious enthusiast and technical standpoint. i love it 😊

[@jwardTLS]

King is amazing. I grew up in New Berlin down the road from these guys. When I blew out one of the heads on my 2007 Type-S back in 2013, I gave it to them as their first ever J35 engine build project. I was able to spend time in the shop with Chad and Tim and see first-hand how amazing they are at what they do. It cost me about $17k for the build but the end result was amazing. The tuning is no joke. Tim is a master with honda tuning. I'm glad to see them being represented on this channel. They are a good, honest shop. I have so many stories I could share about how much of a stand-up company these folks are.

[@andydhillon1977]

I love the J Series. How much different was the built J35 vs the stock one? It's neat to see what people are doing with J Series these days.

[@TheExtravagant]

What you do is astonishing, and this video is no exception. Explaing the mechanical details in a manner that a regular would understand and a mechanical engineering student would take notes. The wording and vocabs used in the driving part are percice and very accurate that it gives you a firm idea on what is it like to drive a car you've never sat in before. My sister has no interest what so ever in cars but the driving experience brings joy to her like no other thing, and she waits for your video just like I do. Sorry if this is too long, but this thank you comment was long overdure.

[@savagegeese]

Thank you. We try, dont always get it right but always make an effort.

[@WhiTeyFU]

The B-roll of that mugen ctr really helped speed up my BM this morning. Thanks again. Also, that was a cool Crx that you had a few clips of.

[@2009wookie]

Absolute best car review channel in existence. The combination of knowledge and ironic humour has me addicted. As a 97 and 2020 Civic Si owner thank you for giving this car the recognition it deserves.

[@jonnie824]

As a FK8 owner, I can really appreciate this video. Amazing review, Love it 👌🏽

[@sanadaHIRO]

this is something i would buy in Gran Turismo

[@faizalhakim3772]

Both your reactions on launch was priceless 😊

[@Velozjc]

I wanted to give you guys more than one 👍🏽. This video was great.

[@paulkippax4530]

Awesome review guys. Get with the looks and its one special weapon!

[@thisisntsergio1352]

18:17 This is, by far, Geese's best moment.

[@squidproquo2241]

And Honda is awesome in this video from start to end.

[@doctorunicorn5550]

After I subscribed to savagegeese, the paternity test came back and I don't have to pay child support anymore.

[@jackholmes8105]

Im happy for you 🤣

[@andrewgarcia3136]

another satisfied customer

[@YusufGinnah]

Wow!! I'm subbing right now! Oh, hold it, I'm already subbed... 😒

[@JoseRicardo-te9gx]

@@jackholmes8105 re. C

[@squidproquo2241]

After you subscribed savagegeese you started to realize that Honda is way better car than you would have imagined.

[@lambrosstamos4494]

Once, you did a very informative video about Ohlins. Also, Racetech seats can accommodate almost every body type. I love that Mugen makes the effort to produce a working aero kit.

[@07acanoia]

Been subscribed for a long time, but Slowly becoming one of my fave car channels 💯 keep up the great stuff!

[@Antonio0427]

The editing is always so fine

[@StreetCertifiedAuto]

I was just there! Scott's the man, bought several Mugen Type R parts for my car. Great team and Scott will not bullshit you, Awesome to you see you guys coverage their car and had an interview with Scott himself.

[@PonderingGhost]

The entire King Motorsports Unlimited staff are absolutely great. The level of excitement I feel stepping inside is through the roof. I love spending lots of money there. Just gotta be patient with the delay on parts given the circumstances that is happening worldwide.

[@Parker53151]

I bought my first Honda car many years ago from King Honda on 76th Street in Greenfield, Wisconsin before it morphed into King Motorsports. Thanks for making me feel old.

[@JacobMueller]

You guys showing up made them paint their sign!

[@basithph8958]

I think this is the first time you have ever covered a demo car from an aftermarket company but it's great to see how there's still a few makers out there like Honda that supports the aftermarket scene as well as giving their OEM offerings like Mugen It really shows how much they care about their enthusiasts and fans

[@markmiller3279]

I hope they don't talk about aftermarket cars regularly, but this was kind of special as Mugen has such a tight relationship with Honda, and the guys in Wisconsin work closely with them.

[@YZYE]

The Civic has been my favourite (affordable) car since I was slightly younger, as my first car, I’ve bought a EP3 1.6 Sport one, which is the Civic with the raised gearstick, these were always so cool to me from a certain point, the 90s ones like the EG6 or EK9 are also really cool. The Civics which have come out lately seem crazy too, they’re so much bigger and monstrous compared to the old ones.

[@AndrewBeveridge461]

About time you showed Wisconsin some love you goddamn FIBS!!!!! I'll stay subscribed.

[@_Makanko_]

Great video guys!

[@nealio990]

Scott has such a relaxing voice. He should do audiobooks or something as a side gig.

[@markmiller3279]

Agreed. Very impressive, a voice I could easily listen to for hours without being annoyed.

[@squidproquo2241]

Well he is doing an awesome Honda in this video you should settle with it.

[@brianrainey2739]

Thanks to the Mugen rep for reminding us that the next Type R might be a soulless electrical appliance.....

[@blakestone75]

Yeah, that got me in the feels pretty good.

[@christopherjohnston6343]

They did pretty cool stuff with turbos. . . It may be a fun vehicle but definitely coming to the end of an era

[@Azkeroth]

I think we need a Spoon Civic Type R review now.

[@SuperStarletakias]

Excellent picture quality...

[@ALVARADOx805]

I'm in love! Looks so much better than the stock R

[@SterlingWheel]

Mr Geese, your eye for production quality is insane. I hope to God someday you get to work with the creators of Gran Turismo.

[@RockSolitude]

Appreciate the jazz fusion music at the start. Just adds that extra bit of thematically appropriate Japanese-ness.

[@EmorSceneForME]

😃

[@snail415]

All we really needed was Tokyo Dream by Allan Holdsworth. That guy continues to get robbed, well into the grave.

[@discaused]

i love how when he's going over the interior on the infotainment system he has running in the 90's playing

[@mithril8880]

The next Gen type R with its tone downed looks and improvements will be probably the last none electric and will be so valuable

[@SaintMecha]

Nah. I still think there will be two to three more generations. EV apocalypse might destroy USA soon but it'll take more in other places.

[@dragospahontu]

@@SaintMecha Europe said 2034 will be the last year but who knows what will happen until then. If Trump comes back he will probably ban electric cars😅.

[@papa_pt]

@@SaintMecha u think the US is gonna happen before Europe?

[@ryanj116]

@@dragospahontu lol, trump is not coming back

[@dragospahontu]

@@ryanj116 😅

[@papa_pt]

20" rims and cut springs. Tuners' paradise

[@joshdominguez341]

All 🍚

[@kiloolandri7529]

@@joshdominguez341 Someone salty AF.

[@JDMHaze]

A dentist Paradise, when your teeth shatter after running over a penny

[@luckistryke13]

Back in the days in Irvine CA we I saw a ‘91 CRX with a Mugen Exhaust and we went crazy.!!! The exhaust cost more than the car 🚗.

[@pablog6487]

Easy like. Awesome video fellas.

[@TheMafyoz]

Nutty content! Thank you

[@JWhite-rx5il]

Most undervalued car channel on KZbin•

[@renaldobryan1047]

I really dont know why this channel isnt at 1million views yet

[@tfrogginhfroggin]

Nice review

[@machina_spirit]

That outro with Scott’s sentimental words and that beautiful haunting music, just *chef’s kiss** Savagegeese

[@wungabunga]

Somebody joked that this would be the first hot hatch that produced body kits to tone it down. They were spot on! I think it looks great.

[@Zonno5]

The music is on point again.

[@xxNickxx23xx]

Amazing vid!

[@autonut21]

That was a great video. Thank you.

[@aceofspades6667]

sir goose you may not have 2 million subs or have the flex culture Behind you… but because you make material like this.. sir you have more heart ❤️

[@Realisy]

I love older civic.. really represent the people who did not have chance to start off driving high dollar perfomance cars in their teens. and the culture that surrounds it. just brings me back to the 90's. beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. this mugen will be too obnoxius and too ricey for some but, it will be memorable piece to some. something sparingly daily driven, something that will take you back to 90's when you drive it into sunset

[@darknight160]

V-tec just kicked in yo!

[@EmorSceneForME]

NSX just flew by yo 😂

[@machina_spirit]

Its vtec... theres no dash my guy lmao

[@igvtec]

Hell yes that is the point of a Honda light chassis and one of the reasons why I'm a Honda enthusiast. 😎

[@TheKingkingg]

Thanks for sharing this awesome beautiful car.

[@MackDolo]

digging the wing

[@thamil1365]

Was great to hear from a Scott on this Channel lol😭😭🤣😂🐌

[@paulkitchen5802]

Very nice track time! What Scott said at the end is so true. We have so many great performance vehicles and unlike many haters who are so caught up in their brands I love them all! Unfortuneately, the governments are trying to put an end to this but their are a few dissenters and they have my money.

[@SolarMoth]

i liked this video in the opening fade from black

[@BeastFromTheEast79]

Finally a video from people selling authentic parts and people who also know how to properly pronounce the name Mugen 🔥🔥

[@joexiong13]

The sound track in the beginning makes me feel like I’m playing the early Gran Turismo lol

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

It was awesome to see that car in action but I was nervous at the same time 😅

[@johntechwriter]

Mark's Ray Bans are too cool for school. But this vid’s ultimate cuteness is how M&J held off recommending the car while making nice with the Magen guy.

[@MrZattack101]

That's the most beautiful Honda exhaust I've seen

[@DamianGDI2012]

I like this one better than the regular type R. Looks better

[@9kalltheway]

I will be purchasing a type R next summer and I will be bringing it to kings for a tune. Only the best

[@brianlau28]

Awesome zoom in after the cough hahahhaah. "Wtf man"

[@Jstall7543]

It Looks So Good!

[@danieltsui212]

Bruh you look soooo happy!

[@SupThomas]

Slowly but surely building my 8th gen FA5 thanks to King Motorsports!#Mugenpower無限

[@Nickubus99]

Love the Gran Turismo menu music. Much nostalgia.

[@RobertWHurst]

I love the Gran Turismo style bg music 👌🏻

[@rohitchowdary27]

I was waiting for this type R

[@LOLHICRONO]

18:25 smooth transition

[@ocani0435]

Beautifull parts!! i always love mugen since i was a kid, but their parts are crazy expensive. maybe one day i can have them all in my FK8.

[@acobos0014]

Felt like watching a movie with gran turismo soundtrack. Love it

[@savagegeese]

Music was chosen for a reason...

[@juanmj93]

The Gran Turismo-y garage music is so on point

[@morphia001]

Would be awesome to see the same style video with a Spoon Type R

[@andydhillon1977]

Very good video. I have a 2008 Mugen Si Civic. Curious to see how the future looks back on it. It fits right into an Era where it's still analog but also has tremendous tunability. I would love to see a comparison between a FA5 with a built K24 vs a stock FK8.

[@PonderingGhost]

Scott Zellner, Mike, and all the staff at King Motorsports Unlimited are the greatest. I love giving them my money. They were my go-to to building a Mugen FK7. I believe I might have the first one on this side of the world.

[@thechillywinds5810]

Took my supercharged 8th gen in to get the fluids flushed and the bald mechanic talked my ear off for about a half an hour past closing. Answered every question I had and then some. They are definitely passionate about their work.

[@PonderingGhost]

@@thechillywinds5810 I get absolutely giddy every single time going there. Anybody who is extremely passionate about Honda such as I, would because it's like a time capsule going there. There's always something really cool inside being worked on or something in the parking lot. I am extremely grateful that I happen to live 15-20 minutes away so every purchase gets picked up. Gives me a reason to go. I am sure thousands of people would kill to be in my shoes so it's a humbling but exciting experience.

[@in54ne82]

What boost does this tune have and what fuel was used? Love setups like these! Great video 👏

[@SunshinyCoDo]

Love this vid

[@rafiulrasheen4738]

WE GET IT BRO, YOU LIKE THE TYPE R, DANG.

[@JamesSarino]

My 20+ year old Honda Prelude Type SH is adorned with a number of Mugen parts. The exhaust was the first Mugen part I ever bought, and the look, quality, and sound is impeccable. I got to take a trip to King Motorsports (their BBQ event, not sure if they still do it), would love to pay a visit there again!

[@PonderingGhost]

Sorry, they don't do Dyno Days anymore.

[@JamesSarino]

@@PonderingGhost dang, that's too bad.

[@Boorock70]

Nothing beats the "dyno-tuned" - It's the real thing... 👍

[@RidgeRunner4501]

Love what they did with the front fake vents

[@BlackOpsHR]

I almost cried in the last 30 seconds of the video, man he hits hard

[@matthewb9241]

I don’t think the changing of the springs is a good idea especially with the suspension programming that comes with the Type-R. Oh…and those bronze 18” MUGEN’s are gorgeous.

[@jeremyb4493]

I remember articles featuring King motorsports back from the sport compact car magazine days. They had a 4cyl cr-v build with intake, cams, header, etc and of course SCC had the comparison dynos vs stock.

[@PonderingGhost]

That was from 1999. I have that magazine.