Multiprotocol Radios: Clone your FrSky radio so you don't need to rebind

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[@nickmarangelis2251]

Sorry FRSky, I have been using your products for years, bought your new Taranis and most of my receivers won’t bind, constant software upgrades to make things work. I have spent more time removing receivers out of planes than flying them. I have had enough and I am switching to Jumper.

[@fullatech]

Same here. Migrating to RadioMaster. Done with Frsky after the stunt with the Accest protocol

[@Moonsauc3]

It was a Pita in the beginning but after a few years I have got the hang of it. It isn't my first choice for a control link but sufficient enough for my rc airplanes and tiny whoops

[@dsarnson]

Finally moved from TX16s MKI OpenTX to Tx16s MKII EdgeTx with lots of models. There is an easier way now to clone the radio. Use the Multiconfig Lua script on old radio to read the MPM ID. Then run that lua on new radio, and edit the settings to match the old one. Save and done!

[@minkorrh]

Yes, what a big PITA. Last night I flashed my radio to OTX 2.3.10 to use ELRS. I go to fly on the way home from work today and I find nothing is bound. GRRRRRR.

[@raptr49]

Thank you, this works great! I did get a little hung up at the end as I selected FrSky X D16 instead of FrSky X Cloned.

[@leffler2]

I have a dead Taranis X9D+. I have all my models saved on the SD card. Is it possible to use just the SD card to import them either with or without cloning? THANKS for all your vids!

[@passinthru4328]

This is great. I'll be cloing my Horus with my Radiomaster TX so I'll have a backup TX.

[@jimsnodgrass8454]

Very nice feature well documented in this video.. wish I’d known two weeks ago before re-binding a whole bunch of Rx’s to this TX16S .. oh well

[@Painless360]

Sorry to hear that. That's the reason for the video. This fab feature isn't well known. Happy flying!

[@cherokee180c0]

I recently had a problem with a glider model on the taranus that I wanted to move to my Jumper T16. No matter what I did the radio setting would not allow for a fresh radio setting (bind) in the Jumper.The servos all worked, but the telemetry would not. The only thing I may have skipped is setting the profile for the taranus when I loaded in the model. When I simply created a new model, the multi module would show the new version of firmware I had just flashed and telemetry worked perfect. I had to hand copy over all the programming to the new model to solve the issue. Still really have no idea why I could not just create a new model and copy over the other model setting without bringing the old protocol with it. Thanks so much for this video as I purchased the RadioMaster TX16S mainly due to the ribbon cable issue in my Jumper T16 and this will help make that process seamless.

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks a lot, Lee! That's a fantastic tip! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@puppisPPP]

Thanks for your video! I bound my TX18s and T-lite to a same frsky receiver. But I have more than three receivers， three memory 'slots' are not enough. I hope that in the future，more Clones for same protocol can be supported。

[@witneydiggersrc3251]

Love your videos Lee but for some of us, this particular process is by far a simple process, and presents many frustrations and unanswered questions. sadly😊

[@Painless360]

Sorry to hear you are struggling. If you can be more specific about where you get lost that would help..

[@witneydiggersrc3251]

@@Painless360 hi Lee, i followed but unsuccessfully. Not your fault. I’m trying to seek answers via Radiomaster Facebook.

[@witneydiggersrc3251]

@@Painless360 I’m sure the challenge lies with selecting the correct receiver option, must be something like that?

[@cyberfighter75]

Yes do you have right, i use jumper t16 pro,now I use jumper t18 pro not at any problems memorizing everything

[@vedasticks]

such a great feature, been given 2 quads to get xm plus reivers working for someone. 1 of the quads the reciever is buried. this means i can just clone my radio to theres and dnt need to pull the quad apart to bind to there radio

[@vedasticks]

actually maybe thats not a good idea..

[@oxazepamgeek]

BRILLIANT!

[@DavidReynolds-kr6yh]

WOW, that’s an awesome feature, pity I didn’t have a frsky transmitter though. Pity it can’t do that with my spektrum radio.

[@italogiulianomolettolobos8879]

amazing, thanks for the vid Lee!

[@filiped7298]

If you were a Patreon you could have seen this video before anyone else 🤗

[@Painless360]

:D

[@peculiarhumanbiped]

Thanks a lot. That was very helpful.

[@tomvervecken356]

Really like your videos! Just a small question.. Does cloning mean that also the frequency fine tuning is done at the same time? Or do you still need to fine tune it after cloning? Thx

[@Painless360]

Sadly not, you need to check that too. Well done for spotting that so many pilots I see don't even know they need to tweak that for best performance..

[@bulufish8208]

Excellent instructive video. But question i only have one radio now and CAN'T bind to CONTIXO F6. ANY help thank you.

[@XavierTorradas]

Thanks it has been a very very very usefull video. Thanks a lot for your work.

[@YogiIrfandi]

From Taranis qx7 to Jumper T-Lite not working :(

[@witneydiggersrc3251]

Excellent, many thanks.

[@TheTigerOC]

Just bought this radio and upgraded to 2.3.11 and the clone function hasn't worked for me. In addition all the telemetry settings have to be redone because the system does its own things and this results in duplicate telemetry listings. Pain all round but the features in the 2.3.x are great. The migration is from one of the original Taranis X9D on 2.2.4.

[@outboxfpv4360]

Hi sir thanks my XM+ was cloned but my RXSR is not working ???

[@brianemslie3507]

Thanks for this video, worked great for me except for my large scale gas powered P51D which has 2 X8R FrSky Rx in it, one runs the fuselage servos, the other runs the wing and U/C. Neither Rx will bind. I could just do it manually but I hate to be beaten! Obviously needs a few extra steps, can you give me any tips please?

[@davidsettles5706]

this is great. Thanks.

[@roccofpv2191]

Great Video, Thank You!! Is there a way to clone or copy the bindings from old x9d+ to new x9d+ SE ?

[@Painless360]

By cloning, you are doing that... Happy flying

[@dsarnson]

Wow this is so exciting! Replacing my troublesome X10s now. Is it the same process with either v1.x or v2.x of the iXJT firmware and respective Rx fw? When doing a normal bind, one would pick either FrSky or FrSkyX2, respectively. Thx!

[@IceCreams62]

Thanks a lot, very useful video :-)

[@dougbrokeit7406]

thats great love it

[@outboxfpv4360]

Thanks a lot sir its so easy. Will it have any range issue if we clone like this?

[@Painless360]

Nope. It's just the radio ID that's copied..

[@thorstenm.3695]

Super!Thanks

[@lx-pro1442]

That is awesome. Did I understand it correctly that all bound (for example) D16 Models are useable this way?

[@Painless360]

Yep

[@MrSupergumpi]

superb video and such an under advertised capability in the jumper ecosystem! I'm using the T-lite and that wont for some reason work with the open tx companion properly (bin file read errors) anyone know is it possible just to create a model in the T-lite and use the clone function?

[@Painless360]

The T-lite is not supported by OpenTX companion yet. See my video on it.. Happy flying

[@alexanderkurth4026]

Very helpful, thank you. Do you know if it also works if you copy the models from a Taranis with OpenTX to a Radiomaster Zorro 4 in 1 with EdgeTX without having to rebind the models? Many greetings.

[@Painless360]

If you clone the radio then you should be able to avoid a lot of re-binding.. Best of luck!

[@jcnorth]

Lee apparently only one slot for D16 rx and one for D8 so can't clone all models - from multiprotocol site - can you advise/ comment please

[@phatpastor32974]

I followed your video only difference was I used a MacBook Pro. I didn’t have to reload my models? Wonder if it was because of the Mac? Also afterwords I got a update multi module required. There’s a good site I’ll try to post a edit with the link here that makes the download simple. Just download and copy to firmware in you SD settings then execute the bin file and it’s done.

[@Painless360]

Video on how to fix that 'Update required' already in the playlist.. Happy flying!

[@dwexoticmaple]

do you need to tune the receiver after cloning?

[@Painless360]

Changing the radio ID shouldn't change the frequency fine tune but it pays to check..

[@Ard1400]

What about Frequency Fine Tune with Frsky Receivers ? They say when you did a Frequency Fine Tuning you have to rebind the reciever. Do you then lose the binding with the taranis? and is the receiver only connected with the Radiomaster? Thanks for your great video's! Its very helpful!

[@Painless360]

I haven't had to here. Try it and see. Happy flying

[@Retset]

Very cool. Will use for my XM+ quad. The rest are either going Crossfire or need downgrading from ACCESS. Incidentally, to copy models to/from the Radiomaster, I plug in the cable and select the storage mode but you do the trim switches, turn on method. Any advantages to either?

[@Painless360]

They both work. One gives you access to the bootloader too but can require ZADIG. Happy flying!

[@davidsebbag1695]

HI , i have 2 tx16 radios and i would like to copy only 1 model to the new one, can it be done without companion

[@Painless360]

I would always use companion. If you figure it out, please let me know.

[@davidsebbag1695]

@@Painless360 i think i managed with companion , thanks a lot

[@outboxfpv4360]

Nice helpfull one sir. Do we need same version open tx firmware on both radios?

[@Painless360]

Nope

[@BooDevil65]

I heard a rumor that MPM v 1.3.3.33 can copy the DSM or CYRF IDs like this - can you share how to do it if true? Thanks!

[@Painless360]

Not yet. See github.com/pascallanger/DIY-Multiprotocol-TX-Module/releases, latest EdgeTX dev code needed for it to work... Best of luck

[@robsamways3124]

Hello Lee, Your vid here is perfect and I cloned all my FrSky and RadioMaster recievers in the D8 and D16 protocols. But.....is it possible to clone all my Spektrum/ Orange DSMX/2 recievers sitting on my Taranis 2019 that has a 4in 1Module.... and another module XJT to fly my L9R recievers. (I have just done a bind on 2 planes in the conventional manner for DSM....but if they can be cloned, all the better.)

[@Painless360]

I'm not sure. The latest will be in the wiki. If you get it sorted, please let me know... best of luck

[@tvlg4185]

Oh my !!! Fantastic !!, so I could order this Radiomaster TX16S and clone my old Taranis DX9 D (NON-EU) with all my DR8-II PLus receivers ?(that actually I m flying now) , it is a integrated function in the RadioMaster TX ? that Cloned Frsky ? please, if you get the time, answer me, thank you again !!

[@Painless360]

www.multi-module.org/using-the-module/radio-cloning looks like there is a slot for cloning the D protocol but I have not used it here.. Best of luck

[@tvlg4185]

@@Painless360 Hi again, finally I purchased this Radio in the hope to continue using my many models that using the receiver Frsky D8R-II Plus, but , even that I can bind the Taranis and TX16S , in the next list dont appear the sub-protocoll D8Cloned !! , I dont know what to do now , very bad luck ! I have 6 models flying with the old D8R-II plus, and I using the lastet OPenTx firmware and internal module too. If you have some suggestion, it is very welcomed !! greetings and thank you from Sweden.

[@rayhunter2582]

Mr Painless , is it possible to do this the other way around ? , I have a TX16s with all my models on it , but I have bought a Taranis x9d as a backup radio and would like all the models on my TX16s moved over to the Taranis .....

[@Painless360]

Sadly the ability to clone is a feature of the MPM and Frsky never bothered to add such a cool feature to their ACCST radios..

[@chipsterflysome]

Could I do a similar update using the frsky R9M module so I wouldn't have to rebind my r9mm receiver?

[@Painless360]

I've not seen that. I don't use the R9M here... Happy flying

[@jerrynormandin2892]

I just exported my models from my old trusty ACCST Taranis QX7. I switched to a jumper T-18 because it's getting harder to find ACCST receivers with telemetry and when you do they cost more than they should. So.. a T-18 made sense. First mod I plan on making is an external 2.4ghz antenna. Cloning my FrSky receiver bindings was a breeze. Can the same be done with DSM and DSM2 ? I'd like to migrate my Eflight airplanes over to the T-18 too.

[@Painless360]

Yes. Check out the link on the supported cloning protocols.. Best of luck

[@outboxfpv4360]

HI can we clone FRsky models from one radimaster to another radiomaster radio?

[@Painless360]

Yes you can. Good isn't it!

[@outboxfpv4360]

@@Painless360 But dint work for me. It worked from qx7 to radiomaster

[@SubashSinghscooby]

Can you clone external R9m or Internal R9M on T18?

[@Painless360]

Check out the list of supported protocols on the Multiprorocol project pages for the latest. It wasn't last time I checked.. Best of luck

[@SubashSinghscooby]

@@Painless360 Thanks, I have opened a ticket in GitHub as a new feature request. Hopefully, we may see in the near future.

[@outboxfpv4360]

Hi sir after updating new firmware sd card content there is no files under crossfire folder. Older version had it. Can i copy files from older ver to new version sd card content.

[@Painless360]

There should be in the scripts/tools directory. See my update video for how I did it...

[@locoworks8179]

just need opentx to sort the same for Frsky only tx's

[@Painless360]

And for FrSky to make a radio we all want - a Taranis replacement with a colour screen, full speed Crossfire support and ability to talk ACCST V1.x and 2.x as well as this cloning feature.. Can't be that hard can it - others are doing it..

[@locoworks8179]

@@Painless360 absolutely, this V1 V2 ACCST is really poor, worst decision ever.

[@XavierTorradas]

I have a question. Is posible to bind as a trainer the Taranis with the Radiomaster at the same way. I did it througt a mini RX with Turnigy and Taranis and also with a Spektrum and Taranis via sbus but perhaps could be posible binding Taranis with Radiomaster in some way. Thanks

[@Painless360]

Yes. See my video on that... happy flying

[@SKY53.]

Do you think that RadioMaster TX16S is compatible with frsky Archer Series ACCESS?

[@Painless360]

See the video on that in the playlist - ACCESS has not been looked at yet by the MPM team..

[@VernStarr]

Any idea if this is somehow disabled in the CRSF Shot nightly builds put out by TBS? Under the FrSky protocol, my subprotocols stop at "LBT 8ch", where on yours it seems to go up to "D16Cloned" and "D8Cloned". Maybe I will just have to wait for 2.3.4 for all the features I want to be available in one firmware.

[@VernStarr]

Nevermind, I think I found the answer: "OpenTX 2.3.8 N184 (nightly) or later is needed to have access to the "D8Cloned" and "D16Cloned" subprotocols, D16v2.1 "Cloned" is available under FrSkyX2/Cloned." The TBS build I'm using must be based off an earlier version.

[@gingermattb]

@Painless360, a QQ... If I want to sell on an MPM radio (or the radio I cloned at any point), how do I wipe the cloned ID from the MPM? This is important as I wouldn't want the buyer being able to bind any new models using that ID or we could end up controlling one anothers models. Do I simply reflash the MPM firmware? Or is the ID held in OpenTX, so I reflash that?

[@gingermattb]

Update... I suggested this erase cloned ID functionality to Pascal from the MPM project, and he implemented it in test within 24hrs! It is now part of the latest stable build.

[@johncarlos7810]

What is your current goto radio?

[@Painless360]

See my Kit Picks video out today 😉 happy flying!

[@johncarlos7810]

@@Painless360 great! Good timing thanks! I'm gonna get the tx16s. I have an aging taranis and I think my back board is shot. I lose connection at 50 to 100feet. Can't figure out why but think that is why. Using x8r and x6r with the same issue. Or would you think it would be firmware issues? Thanks again for all you do for this hobby!!!

[@Painless360]

Sounds like bad radio board or a broken antenna... best of luck

[@Flierman1945]

Hello Painless, I have a problem that has lasted days. in your video, you use the D16 mode. but you don't mention most users in the EU/ UK useLBT and as far as I can tell, you can't use the mulit protocol on EU LBT X8R frsky receivers. If I use the Multi/FRSkyRX/CloneTX, following your video I see the bind take place on the TX16S. But that is as far as I can go. If I reboot the only option in Mode is D16 or D8 cloned, so my LBT receiver will never connect. Am I missing something here, please help.

[@Painless360]

LBT is supported. See the wiki.

[@Flierman1945]

@@Painless360 THX for the quick reply. Will read wiki

[@bobi2582]

Do you know if I can import models from my Spektrum DX6 radio in this way?

[@Painless360]

You can't import models but you can clone the radio to avoid rebinding..

[@bobi2582]

@@Painless360 Ok. Thanks. I'll look into it a bit further. I have all spektrum models backed up on an as card so I will see if Companion will recognise them. Thanks.

[@matthewcavaliere6864]

So...Can I clone my Taranis to another Taranis? Or do I need to buy a multi protocol module, and install it on the new Taranis in order to transfer all the receiver IDs, etc from the old Taranis? If so, which multi module will accept the firmware Pascal has written that allows for the cloning?

[@Painless360]

Cloning is a feature of the Multiprorocol module..

[@matthewcavaliere6864]

Thank you.

[@matthewcavaliere6864]

Will the cloning feature be available in 4-in-1 modules that run either ppm or serial? Like the Jumper external module or the irangex ITX4 plus?

[@samavella8831]

I assume that you can only clone FrSky 16D or protocol receivers?

[@Painless360]

Not just D16, see the Wiki...

[@samavella8831]

Painless360 where exactly?

[@Painless360]

github.com/pascallanger/DIY-Multiprotocol-TX-Module/releases

[@samavella8831]

Painless360 Thank you very much. Hopefully this capability will expend to other protocols! One can only hope 🤔

[@Painless360]

I hope so, wouldn't that be cool! Why don't vendors offer this capability as standard? Wouldn't life be easier when you upgraded or got another radio?

[@universerc7045]

Thank you for awesome tutorials about this function but ! BUT! This Copy Bind work ( on me ) only with quads like Mobula 7,6,BetaFPV 85 and other ! I mean only with BNF quads and its not work with EXTERAL Rx like XM+ or RXSR ! i dont know why ! do you have some idea ?

[@Painless360]

Works perfectly here. All the steps I followed are shown.. Let me know if you figure out why it's not working.. (FCC vs. LBT perhaps?)

[@universerc7045]

@@Painless360 FCC

[@ScowlerJase]

Nice feature , but isn't it easier just to re-bind???? :-)

[@Painless360]

Lol, not with well over 40 models.. ;)

[@aerotibor]

To me this was much better option to fly 5 quads , 4 planes , 2 helicopters, than to start to disassembly all of them ;)