Sakuu's Dry-Printed Li-metal Batteries Hit 1,000 Cycles

Sandy and the Munro Live Crew Visit Sakuu for an Update on Their Fully Dry Manufacturing Process, Featuring an Interview with Arwed Niestroj, SVP of E-Mobility and Product.
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[@danneil8778]

thanks for the site visit, Munro and Associates

[@dancar2537]

how about the fast charging? how about the silicon anode?

[@wongman2001]

"And for our next act, Sandy on a Sakuu unicycle"! Love this episode, LOVE this channel

[@BillAnt]

LOL get this clown show going!

[@kharimwalters4053]

Thanks to munro live great Informative video. Look at that smile on sandy face when it was his turn 😂😂 says it all

[@carvalhoribeiro]

I loved this content. As a kaizen practitioner, my eyes light up when I see productions processes like this. Thanks for sharing this.

[@MaxMustermann-sm4qu]

@@carvalhoribeiro Did you see a different video? They are not showing or telling anything about their (non existing? 🤔) production processes.

[@patrickbeck4062]

Maybe I missed it, but did they ever state the energy density in watt hours per kilo? I know they said their battery in the bike has 40% more range than a competitor battery, but that doesn't really mean much, without knowing which cells are in the competitor battery. And how do we know their 2.3 Kwh battery isn't slightly larger or heavier. I'm always a bit suspicious when companies use round about ways of explaining things like capacity and power density, rather than just giving us the numbers in watt hours per kilo or watts per kilo for power.

[@arwedniestroj3330]

I understand your skepticism, since I have developed electric vehicles at Mercedes for many years. Improvement in the SakuMoto bike is from 1.75 kWh with Li ion cells to 2.3 kWh with our Lithium metal cells in the same packaging space, of course. We optimized for Watt hours per liter, since it is more relevant for most product packaging (except for anything that flies). Our Li metal cells achieve more than 800 Wh/l energy density and is commercially ready.

[@fcalin21]

354 wh/kg

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

A link to the Datasheet on these batteries is what Iwant to see! Same goes for your metal free battery!

[@jjoe718]

I’ve heard so many stories about these amazing 1000+ cycle batteries. The only thing that came out is LFP mass production wise. Remember when grapheme was supposed to be a revolutionary battery technology, well there nothing with graphene hitting the market now.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

1000 cycles @ 1/3C is - not enough. Did you see the breakdown @ 8C to 40%? Unacceptable.

[@FrozenHaxor]

It's all snake oil, wool to pull over investors eyes. Countless "breakthroughs" and so far we're still using the same technology because it outperforms everything else.

[@JJFX-]

​@@wolfgangpreier9160 No because it isn't that simple and the graph you're referring to was showing the conventional process. Who knows what can be believed but based on this alone there's nothing obviously wrong with it.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@JJFX- I know. That is why this cell is unacceptable. Even a cheap li ion cell can make 5000 cycles @ 1/3 C

[@JJFX-]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 This should be indicating a 1/3 charge, 1C discharge. Nothing amazing but many cheap li-on cells would absolutely struggle retaining 80% after 5000 100% 1C discharges cycles. It doesn't really matter though because their data is suspiciously vague. They don't specify the temp or the cathode, which I'm assuming is NMC based on more vague info I dug up. That would also help to improve cycle life and density. We can give them the benefit of the doubt and make assumptions but whenever a company in this industry constantly throws out buzzwords and is this vague with their data the red flags come up for me.

[@cayrex]

Nice video. Is like the Maxwell Technology which they start with all this dry electrode process for the supercapacitors. Which instead of a solvent they uses heat. The electrode active material is made from active material and a binder which melts on some temperature.

[@markgrayson7514]

Sandy listening to another presentation.

[@danharold3087]

there are people who understand and care.

[@w0ttheh3ll]

@@danharold3087 The problem is that Sandy isn't one of them and he never brings his experts to these trips. They could be telling him anything and he would believe it.

[@danharold3087]

​@@w0ttheh3ll What specific questions would you like to have seen answered? I was talking about the audience understanding and caring about EV batteries.. The narrative would have been about the same with or w/o sandy. This is their sales pitch.

[@w0ttheh3ll]

@@danharold3087 The sales pitch was fine, actually. It just would create a lot more confidence if I knew that it was pitched to a person that actually has a battery background.

[@craigfreeman9280]

Every day, the new tech is getting better and will continue to evolve into products that we can enjoy. Nice video of the behind the scenes to our future.

[@FrozenHaxor]

It's snake oil designed to pull wool over investor's eyes, there has been countless "battery breakthroughs" over the years and so far we're stuck on the same exact thing because it outperforms everything else.

[@BillAnt]

And oil rich Arab countries will be selling less and less as the years go by. A Win-Win! lol

[@1944chevytruck]

Thanks 4 video!

[@w0ttheh3ll]

The chart at 13:10 is very interesting. The dip at ~625 cycles shows us that these cells have significant degradation that leads to much worse performance under high loads, yet under standard cycling conditions they achieve over 95% capacity retention. This is a good example of why car manufacturers' "80% capacity after x miles driven" guarantees are useless and dishonest. Capacity retention (SOH) of electric cars is not the right metric for such a guarantee.

[@yorkchris10]

A great way to introduce new chemistry.

[@hermanmunster8655]

Incredible 😍

[@Cameramancan]

Pretty amazing!🇨🇦

[@SchwuppSchwupp]

Nice insights 😀

[@ErwinWernerTeichmann]

Andy ur the man!

[@jimanderson4444]

Go Sandy, I was hoping you'd try to buy a bike ! Honest real inspiration in your programs. I owe you my fullest gratitude. Sincerely Jim.

[@MatteoTortello_com]

Great!

[@SkepticalCaveman]

In the end it comes down to the price, hopefully it can compete.

[@bobwallace9753]

Material cost should be lower. No solvents. Energy cost will be lower. No drying. Unless there is some extremely expensive machinery that wears out quickly I don't see how the price wouldn't be good. If they are as good as they say, watch for the company to get bought by a major battery manufacturer. The big issue will be whether it will scale. Tesla did fine with their 4680 dry-rolled cells at low production levels but they've struggled to produce at large scale.

[@arwedniestroj3330]

@@bobwallace9753 Yes, it is more cost-efficient without surprises on the equipment cost.

[@somethingsomethingsomethingdar]

Ok but how does the time to produce scale with the new process? Does it take longer to produce a single cell? Does the lower footprint of the process allow for an equalization of speed of production to square footage of space? There are always pro’s and con’s

[@arwedniestroj3330]

Total cost of ownership of the dry printing platform is lower for the manufacturer. Including Capex and Opex.

[@GroovyVideo2]

Try Inversion table for your back

[@Krunch2020]

Great! Hopefully these processes will make it into mass production. His comments about working with battery OEM’s and licensing tells you where their company is positioned. A 40% increase in energy density would be a giant step forward.

[@aware2action]

Looks to me like a modified laser print process🤔(reminds me of the smudge laden paper with toner when fuser stopped working). Wonder, why they did not do a wheelie in the demo?(cooling issues with battery pack🤔). Look forward to the day, where bottles of "dry powder" with carrier film, loaded into a laserjet formfactor printer, printing custom batteries. Now add to that, 3d printed custom pcb, and enclosure to make products with interesting form and function🤯❤️👍

[@bohicajohnson7203]

IS going from 80% to 20%and back to 80% considered one cycle?

[@w0ttheh3ll]

No, thats 60% of a full cycle.

[@TY-xw8gb]

at 12:10 guys are saying that nobody did more than 1100 cycles with Li anode without the dendrites. I personally saw at The Batteries, that their batteries with Li anode work for more than 23 000 cycles with 100% DoD.

[@DaisyEllis-z7m]

It's a big production

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Good update Keeps calling it the dry process, solid state I'm assuming? Cheers

[@arwedniestroj3330]

Dry printing process enables to print dry layers for all dry (=solid state) batteries without solvent damaging some solid state materials like sulfide electrolyte. We are enabling scalable, fast, cost efficient manufacturing of our customers' solid state materials.

[@billhanna2148]

@@arwedniestroj3330 Arwed have you been approached by Tesla or the major battery manufacturers??

[@ArthursHD]

Cool! I need a battery like that for Poco F3

[@xlargetophat]

We need that nickel boysssss

[@rogerstarkey5390]

I've worked on machines that have deposited precise, uniform layers of powder onto a surface for 45 years. Photocopiers (Latterly "Laserprinters")

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Those aren't precise or uniform enough. At the microscopic level.... Laser printers are absolute chaos.

[@FrozenHaxor]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Yes, it's just a rough powder coating hot press.

[@arwedniestroj3330]

Try to apply the laser printing technology to active battery materials, achieve required uniformity, density and maintain electrochemical performance in a battery. When you have all of it, you are welcome to join the team at Sakuu.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️ THANKS SANDY,ARWED, AND THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SHARING THIS 🤗 ENJOYED AND LEARNED ALOT 🧐💚💚💚

[@SlayerEddyTV]

That Sakuu bike looked so good.

[@peterjohnwatson4340]

Should check out some of the other bikes Walt Seigel has built. The man is an artist.

[@OrganicStuff1]

Dude this guy sounds exactly like my Indian neighbor it’s crazy I love that dude

[@MilosMitrovicShomy]

Are there any projections on volume manufacturing: haw many GW hours for how long to produce? This is the piece of information that is not provided, but it's of crucial importance to understand the potential of this technology. Also, are they going to "print " it in standard sizes (4680 etc) or pouch forms or something else? Thanks

[@suggesttwo]

Dry performance charts 13:55

[@marshalllapenta7656]

It can still hold more then 80% of charge after 1100 cycles.... We will see if it catches on.... They might have something here Motorcycle was a good touch

[@4literv6]

With the average ev driving range over 270 miles now? That means the pack's are good for close to 300,000+miles while retaining over 84% net capacity. Get these in production stat sakuu! China already has in production semi solid state cells averaging over 40% better energy density at the pack levels vs the current best nmc ev pack chemistries. And they just formed a massive jv between the largest ev cell players to make solid state cells in mass by 2027!

[@marshalllapenta7656]

@@4literv6 What's the cost benefit ratio?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@4literv6 This is dry coating, not SSB. The electrolyte is liquid.

[@suggesttwo]

12:55 Wet performance charts.

[@Brutus4048]

What electrolyte are you using in the dry process battery?

[@arwedniestroj3330]

The dry processed electrodes work with the same electrolyte as the wet coated ones do. No change in electrochemistry caused by the dry process. That makes the dry process applicable to many if not all chemistries.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Battery Vehicles, BV, parked 23hrs every day and 20million in Australia means every building can be offgrid. BV oversized battery, oversized for that daily drive, has massive reserves of daily storage for rooftop PV. BV parking space with a $60 wall outlet at every building and trickle currents all day long and night is ezi pezi. Grid cash flow will be a dead duck. Dirt cheap offgrid will save: Grid electricity costs Heating costs Gas costs Petroleum costs After tax savings. Grid electricity is 10times more expensive than offgrid electricity.

[@kerrytruitt2626]

They should team up with Polaris. Polaris has something special started. Hopefully, they don't give up like the car OEMs...

[@freddybell8328]

What is Polaris cooking?

[@kerrytruitt2626]

@@freddybell8328 watch the out of spec episode on electric Polaris trails with free solar charging

[@marcusnichols5595]

So many reference to 'print' & 'printing'. They must be using electrostatics. Photocopiers transfer toner encapsulated in a polymer. Could these guys have figured out how to encapsulate anode/cathode material in silicon?

[@arwedniestroj3330]

There are lots of trade secrets in it. No use of additional material.

[@peterjohnwatson4340]

I was thinking a silkscreen type of process. But I would think there would have to be a solvent based suspension to apply an even layer.

[@arwedniestroj3330]

@@peterjohnwatson4340 that is the innovation, we print even layers without a solvent suspension, without electrostatics

[@Barskor1]

I so hope Tesla gives this a good long look and see if it fits their needs and goals.

[@slowercuber7767]

are not Li metal batteries normally primary, non-rechargeable batteries?

[@DavidHalko]

It seems to be the case, but not these… there are apparently others doing something similar: “Researchers from the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) have developed a new lithium metal battery that can be charged and discharged at least 6,000 times…” You can search for it, 2024 release.

[@slowercuber7767]

@@DavidHalko Thanks

[@lengould9262]

My first and only question is "What was Tesla's response when you offered this technology to them?

[@DC-yh2oy]

My guess is that they said this is all well and good but it will not scale to the level we require. Essentially "laser printing" batteries would be too slow to produce at high volumes.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@DC-yh2oy And 1000 cycles @ 1/3 is by far not good enough.

[@takanara7]

Tesla already has a 'dry' process to make batteries, that's what they announced on their 'battery day' a few years ago and what's going into their current cars. Rather then printing they run the stuff through a roller press. (sounds simple but apparently took them multiple years longer then they expected to get it working)

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@takanara7 "and what's going into their current cars." In the Cybertruck. Nowhere else.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@takanara7 They only do the cathode, not the anode. They buy the anode material from suppliers in China and Japan.

[@Elfraty]

those who control the spice control the universe....

[@tjmozdzen]

No range number given. Please someone get that info.

[@RWBHere]

So what is the range of that e-bike? He avoided saying what it is. With 2.3 kWh it's likely to be about 20 miles/ 30 kilometres or greater, if the weight can be kept down with that higher density battery. It will be interesting to replace the battery in a known bike, such as a Zero, to see how it compares with the same battery volume.

[@RWBHere]

And thanks for the video. 🙂👍

[@neilfromclearwaterfl81]

Since its an overpowered test bed Moped and not the street version the current range of that test mule would not reflect anything meaningful so would be moot however you could look at any current e-bike/moped with its typical 40 to 80 mile range and multiply that by 40% so 56 to 112 miles of range just by switching to their battery technology and slapping it into current production. Of course with e-bike and mopeds range will vary greatly depending on the rider and terrain. The difference in range between having a 150 lb rider and 250 lb rider will be much greater on a 100 to 200 lb e-bike than on a 4,000+ lb EV Car/SUV. The implications for Electric Powered Aviation are also there. Yes nice to have video with a taste of what's in the near future. I can understand Sandy's excitement since these promises are for advancements that we will likely see in our (us older ones) lifetimes and not 100 years or so in the future. Best!

[@shazam6274]

How long does it take to make a small cell? How much does the cell cost? What is the energy density? What is the volumetric density? What is the largest cell capacity? How does it perform at high / low temperatures? Is Ro-Ro in the plans and when? Zero info ! These and many more pertinent questions were never discussed. Another "seeking Investors and Customers", low info video from Sandy. "Show and Tell" means exactly that. This is almost all "Tell" and blather and repeat with very little "Show", and much of that is looking at 4 graphs. Information content is less than 2 minutes. Pitiful.

[@neilfromclearwaterfl81]

They can only show as Sandy mentioned at the end of the presentation what is allowed by Sakuu and its clients for public distribution. You would need to sign the NDA and enter a contract to have your battery production process upgraded to their dry process if you want to see the confidential parts now. Of course afterwards you would be bound by the NDA to keep the confidential information confidential along with open to paying punitive damages if you violated the NDA. Sandy honored the NDA and didn't leak any trade secrets which helps insure he and by extension we will be invited back when more information is ready to be released publicly. Sandy did reveal that what he saw and he can't talk about publicly was impressive which is all we really need to know at this time so look forward to the next visit where we will learn what other advancements and details will be made publicly available at that future date. Kudos to Sandy for maintaining his high ethics concerning confidential information and trade secrets. Best!

[@shazam6274]

@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 So there is no reason to make this video about nothing but a very few general, specious clams!

[@neilfromclearwaterfl81]

@@shazam6274 And have a highly respected and universally recognized industry expert verify them and confirm there is much more to come in the future though they can't openly reveal all the details to the public now. That they showed the final product in application along with revealed the physical product without disclosing the trade secrets is enough for now. Xerox learned the hard way why you don't give away the full list of ingredients and specifications for the secret sauce. If they hadn't revealed so much to Steve Jobs most of what we know as Apple might still say Xerox on it. Nobody wants to repeat Xerox's mistake of giving years of hard work all away. Best!

[@isaacwhite7411]

aeee I think an electric bike is pretty close to most the same as rest the other electric bikes the main thing about the program and show is the battery technology .

[@rustyknowles11]

What about Amprius with their SiCore and SiMax silicon anode batteries?

[@MunroLive]

We have done multiple videos on Amprius.

[@rustyknowles11]

@@MunroLive I will check them out!!! Thank you for the reply!!!! I thought I was all alone on seeing their tech!

[@sherpa972]

Now I get it, Sandy Munro is Burt Munro’s son!!!

[@chrisbraid2907]

Burt was a Kiwi , Sandy is from Canada … Grandson by age is possible but no relation sorry …. He never Married or had Children …

[@vancity2349]

CATL the world largest battery company has announced in April 2024, will last 1,000,000 miles, a maximum of 5% degradation, with 15 year warranty.

[@thedopplereffect00]

15 year warranty would shut up a lot of anti EV people that keep repeating you have to buy a new battery every 5 years

[@blazemkiv3641]

So powder coating?

[@arwedniestroj3330]

Printing a layer that becomes a coating of the current collector... ;-)

[@WrathChild-NZ]

I thought batteries already do 1500 cycles?

[@DavidHalko]

Not a dry process.

[@rtz549]

Tesla said send them a sample so they can lab test it.

[@brettcrawford8878]

Concept is to simplify and possibly speed up the manufacturing process. Would also make it likely safer for people working in the manufacturing plant as dangerous evaporating solvents would be removed from the manufacturing process. So fewer chemicals in the environment to destroy people's health.

[@timothyshiu2263]

QuantumScap flopped (never make it to manufacturing). Amprius tanked. Sakuu won’t be mass produced anything soon, would it?

[@williamdrake2315]

Sandy grins and thinks "What could possibly go wrong"

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day. Most days the battery is "oversized" for the daily drive, and has massive reserve capacity. Most daily drives can be trickle topped up with trickle currents all day long. Horse meat was cheap when the Ford model T production line started. Horse and cart thinking is for the silly 😜 people. Every building carpark space will have a $60 wall plug for trickle currents all day long.

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

Why would you think C footprint and the rest are not important parameters going forward?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

They are, but when the production process needs so much more time and money and the result is 3 times less efficient than the old style processes are more profitable the new processes make no sense. The same goes for the sodium ion cell. Currently it makes no sense to produce them.

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I get your point about change costing money in the short term but the battery biz is a big world with room for improvements. I think a way around the present solvent based processes and all the expense and hazards of that has a sizeable payback. When is a legit question, we'll see..

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@ronfarnsworth7074 Everything man made has room for improvements. And sometimes a real break through occurs and something really new evolves. Dry printed or coated cathodes is NOT one of those. As always they are in the phase of 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. Maybe they deliver better or at least as good as cells with less carbon footprint. But it will not be a earth shattering disruption.

[@takanara7]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Tesla switched to a dry process. This process might be more expensive then what tesla is doing but it's probably cheaper then the old method. Also, it sounds like a company could do a small run of batteries made this way. It's probably more efficient then the old method.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@takanara7 "but it's probably cheaper then the old method. " If that would be the case those cells would have already been released to the market and they would very loudly talk about it. Tesla did not "switch". They bought the process from Maxwell and try to make it work profitably. Which - as Elon himself has stated - does not work as expected. He gave the team until the end of the year to make it work otherwise the production lines will be shut down and scrapped altogether,

[@vorpalinferno9711]

You can only stack 1.7 KWH of energy in a bike like that. Huh.

[@JM-mz1zj]

Photocopiers….electrostatic powder distribution

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Not uniform enough. And i guess electrostatic cathode materiel might be not the best idea.

[@rkan2]

Sakuúuuuuuuuuuu....

[@changeagent228]

Does it instantly turn into a whooshing flamethrower when damaged?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

No it makes kaboing. Its a korean factory and makes korean sounds.

[@changeagent228]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Lol, but seriously though we need safer batteries.

[@DavidHalko]

@@wolfgangpreier9160- it’s a fair question Inhibiting dendrite growth reduces spontaneous combustion. If you puncture the battery with a drill press or whack it a a few times with pick axe, how does it respond?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@changeagent228 Lol but seriously we need safer baby strollers, fridges, microwave ovens, vaccuums, ships, planes, cars. etc. pp. Why does everybody reduce it to unsafe batteries?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@DavidHalko Everybody seems to KNOW that batteries burn and explode ALL THE TIME. Could you please show me one that has been handled as designed and intended has exploded or burnt on itself? I ususally do not whack my dogs with an axe. Or my fridge with a sledge hammer. I usually use my batteries as they are designed to be used. It is simply NOT possible to make everything safe.

[@martinmarkmarkovics7754]

Clowns are saying like "battery production is expensive", "It costs more for the enviroment to produce than petrol" and all that gig. The days are numbered until those statements holding true.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Cycle life is full cycle. 10% cycle per day over 10 days is 1 full cycle. 1,000 cycles could be 10,000 days.

[@LRV-TECH]

I was waiting for a deeper detail of the technology. How do they apply the material to the Anode? This technology will be obsolete in the very near future. 🤦‍♀ There's nothing extraordinary there. They don't know how to control silicon expansion. That's all. 🤷‍♀

[@DavidHalko]

Printing it with a dry process is extraordinary.

[@LRV-TECH]

@@DavidHalko I think that the word PRINTING means something else. there is no seal there. Printing is too long. They are simply creating a bubble - that this is a breakthrough technology.

[@TreeHugger826]

Is this company publicly traded? If so, what is the symbol?

[@davidstrong7854]

This is a commercial for the spac that’s coming

[@zodiacfml]

electric bike more impressive due to exterior, e-bikes don't need to retain the bare structural look. printing batteries feels like a desktop printer nice at everythign except speed or volume. The low volumes could work with high tariffs of Chinese batteries but why fight it when it's clearly no match, like how manufacturing of plenty products are done in China than locally.

[@SergTTL]

12:21 - "Licensing". But China is not bound by those licenses. They only need to learn the process once and then they'll flood the world with their batteries again, driving all the competition who abides by the licenses from the market.

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

Additive manufacturing is notoriously slow, not for making thousands of pieces a day! That means, this will not end up being used in the Automotive World, because it won’t scale unless someone figures out how to mass produce 3 D Printing at a low cost!

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

BV, Battery Vehicles, is the word. Rooftop solar PV is cheaper than windows $/m2, basically dirt cheap. Robotic manufacturer PV and China is not needed. China dropping supply prices blocks Battery technology research in all other countries. Blocks economic progress.

[@calholli]

We don't care about carbon footprint.. WE need 10x the battery life on a single charge for 10x cheaper price.... Like yesterday

[@battery_wattage]

No one normally needs 1000 miles in a gas car. Why would we need 10x range in an EV? Of course I agree with cheaper battery cost.

[@AngryMan540]

@@battery_wattagetrue, but a 500 mile base line would be nice until the infrastructure is built and 1000 miles would give a rough 500 mile towing distance per charge.

[@4literv6]

Average cycle life is over 1,500 now for ev packs and the average ev driving range is over 270 miles= 400,000+mile life span. Average ice life span globally is under 12 years and 150,000 miles SMDH. 😏 Furthermore ev cells have already come down over 800% at the kwh level just since 2012!

[@ItsBinhRepaired]

More like 10x weight reduction of the battery pack. That alone will greatly increase efficiency and range.

[@battery_wattage]

@@AngryMan540 you are still giving niche examples that are not normal scenarios.

[@lwwells]

With excess lithium metal (excessive N/P ratios) and and excess electrolyte, you can make a cell last as long as you want. 😅 Sandy, this company smells like a scam.

[@MaxMustermann-sm4qu]

Looks to me as a lot of wischi-waschi bla-bla. "See how much we reduced the carbon footprint - bla - look what common processes we will replace - bla - carbon footprint - bla - look at our nice charts - bla - carbon footprint - bla - look, we made an electric bike 🤦- bla - carbon footprint - bla..." Not showing anything essential about their process (in opposite to e.g. Tesla). In my opinion, it's one of these nonsense startups that has nothing to show but just fishing for investors money.

[@dogbreath6974]

Did you forget to take your pills today.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@dogbreath6974 Yes, me too. No anti carbon footprint pills. Nobody is interested in this one single tidbit if the rest of the product does not work.

[@thedopplereffect00]

I've been around sales people like this. Techno babble sales pitch. I told my management Do Not give these people any money.

[@truetech4158]

Can it reach 2000 cycles like the years that we've been waiting for things such as the UN to become atheist, or is that asking too much?

[@DavidHalko]

The UN to become Atheists would merely re-facilitate & globalize the 100 million killed by Atheist Communists of Russia in the 20th century, the 15-55 million killed my Atheist Mao during that Communist great leap off a bridge (which is continuing today into the 21st Century in East Turkistan), socialists under Atheist Polpot facilitated 1.5-2 million killed & executed in their reign of terror, etc. etc.) Dry process has been getting action in 2024 by others, you can search this: “Researchers from the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) have developed a new lithium metal battery that can be charged and discharged at least 6,000 times…”

[@thedopplereffect00]

What does this comment even mean?

[@truetech4158]

@@thedopplereffect00 It means that we saw putin on tv smiling as he high5'd a murderous sociopath from saudi arabia, at a UN meeting. What the comment means is that the presentation is about batteries, and i mentioned about a form of 2000 year old battery that powered the block carriers to build a pyramid, or row an ocean of stockholm syndrome related fearful of being forced to walk the plank. I study all kinds of power systems, from physics of electrical current ones, even the ones in the the political arena. Range anxiety.

[@phila.6521]

I don't understand. Tesla could of merged with this company in 2023 for $100 million. Or at least, could of worked with this company, for the last couple years. Tesla could of solved the dry process, on both the anode and cathode side, but didn't? What gives. Why are we waiting for Tesla to catch up to companies like this? Maybe give some one at Sakuu some of Elon's pay package. They seem to have had this solved for a long time. I'm glad Sandy is learning about batteries. After the last video. It became pretty clear, to me, that Sandy's strengths are not in batteries. I hope he pays Tom a bunch of money.

[@JJFX-]

Tesla had it working, they ran into issues scaling the process reliably enough for high production volume. We have no idea how this company's solution would hold up to that and we're talking about different chemistry.

[@takanara7]

Tesla has a dry process they started using it last year. They use rollers to press the stuff into a sheet (this is what they explained on their battery day a few years ago)

[@takanara7]

@@JJFX- They solved that stuff and are using it on their new batteries, from what I understand.

[@JJFX-]

@@takanara7 It would make sense that they were finally able to do it I just haven't heard that they have. You're probably right.

[@GeorgeAllicentJohnson]

Yea, that's not impressive. That's for this video about this worthless technology and company