Murders - Explained (Hawaii Part II Analysis)

[@some_ness2832]

me when I'm in the forest, looking to see the trees (none were there 😢)

[@effortmarble]

How

[@effortmarble]

Just how

[@LuxyHugs]

@@effortmarble members get access to my videos early :D

[@Blister_Manta]

did you find a girl?

[@100juice9]

Did she find the erlking?

[@puresport9]

I left my own funeral as soon as this video dropped.

[@FOXCRUIZE]

oh k...

[@Axcyantol]

did you do the same thing or suffer the same thing or no

[@friscothesheriff1994]

Why did we deserve to be revived?

[@Gooddog432-w1v]

How do you do dat

[@FatherDear-s4w]

I like how you call them Simon and Betty like in Adventure time, I don't know if it's on purpose because this is exactly what happened between them in the show (however, the ice king didn't want to kill her though he wanted her back)

[@LuxyHugs]

was on purpose :)

[@FatherDear-s4w]

@@LuxyHugs (⁠☆⁠▽⁠☆⁠)

[@Cremotor]

Heck, even the fact that we're calling the main protagonist, Mr. Resident Minor himself, "Simon" shows how influential The Mind Electric is by itself and as you said, whatever people interpret that song as then gets retrofitted onto the album

[@LuxyHugs]

Excellent point, I totally agree

[@Your_Uncle_Charlie]

My fav song on the album

[@amazingpurplegirl0903]

OK, I'm sold. This is so comprehensive an explanation, and I appreciate the research on the Erlking. Just a few thoughts. Owls are also considered a harbinger of death, which also cements the murder is imminent. Joe said H:PII is "the genre of infinity, which is expressed through holograms". I think Murders is the only song where infinite/infinity is mentioned, and I think you need mirrors for a hologram, so to me this song reflects what he's saying. Since MatPat can't do song theory, I'm glad we have you

[@J8keysObsessions]

I appreciated the debunking of the 'Simon was framed' theory, becouse I've always thought it was far less interesting and made far less sense, but I also want to defend my favorite song's part in it, becouse I dont think The Mind Electric on its own even supports that theory, simply becouse Simon is pleading insanity, and there is no reason why he would make that claim if he were framed

[@everydaydude3576]

The thing throughout this album that keeps poking at me is that after her death guilt takes his mind later in the album she is heard as almost a ghost with a few words in stranded lullaby and maybe the mind electric

[@GrownRhombus]

Luxy, you have outdone yourself. Not even the online conspiracy board I set up for this includes this much detail. The Frank Sinatra allusion, The fountain of infinite mirror, all of it was all a missing puzzle piece I needed to finish this story. By the way, I hope your space station level 7 video also gives a little more attention to the Japanese definitions, kanji hold many meanings. I have plenty resources for Japanese translations if you need any! I pray to the algorithm that this channel gets the love it deserves.

[@LuxyHugs]

If you wanna chat about it I have a discord linked on my channel

[@playlikepig0550]

Phenomenal work. I just recently found your Isle Unto Thyself video, and have just watched through the entire series up to this point. Hands down probably the best analyses on Hawaii: Part II I've seen. Also, as a german native who's had to analyse Goethe's works at school on various accounts, I feel it's important to note that the story of Der Erlkönig clearly suggests that the Erlking is just a figment of the child's imagination, and that he is suffering from a very strong fever, which causes hallucinations and eventually his death, meanwhile his father is trying to safely return him home or presumably to a doctor, so he can be treated. In case you can find any meaning from it, there is also a double meaning in "Erlkönig". It originally comes from a danish myth, the "Ellerkonge", or the elven king. When Goethe translated the myth and wrote his ballad, "Ellerkonge" became "Erlkönig", which sounds more like the 'Erlen' king, an 'Erle' being a type of tree (an Alder according to google, I don't know that many english tree names). That's why the Erlking is sometimes represented as some elven king, and sometimes as a wooden forest spirit, and also why in the ballad when the son talks about Erlkings daughters, the father responds by talking about the willow trees.

[@effortmarble]

I’m pretty sure that fountain of infinite mirror is a reference to Hawaiian mythology (as in the mirrored rainbow) look it up. Very interesting

[@soggyteabag850]

Do you have any links for this? Sadly I couldn't find anything about it on Google

[@uno_revers]

I find it a bit difficult to follow along with your explanations when you refer to "line 3" or something. Don't get me wrong I love these videos, but I think it would be just that much better if we had the verse you were analysing next to you with the current line highlighted or something. Then again I have no idea how difficult that would be to do, I have no editing experience. Just thinking from a viewers perspective. Much love ❤️

[@xoxobvrbie]

I gasped out loud when i saw this in my subscriptions. Can’t wait for the next one, lol

[@filme1677]

I like how in 23:20 Luxy turns into Kermit for a second

[@ishmowo]

omg yes

[@CloudedVale]

Me and my boyfriend have been tying to create a musical about the album and this series has been really really helpful on how the story would go, so thank you very much and I can’t wait to binge the series you make

[@kartanaist]

omg thats so cool!

[@lenocturnefan4258]

16:05 I always interpreted this lyric as Simon finally remembering what happened the day Betty died, specially since shortly after this is the whole "All for nothing at all" and "**I** was in the forest looking to see the trees.".

[@giannamation]

I love this song even more now that I understand the meaning even more. The idea that Simon killed her makes the song even more dark, dramatic, and twisted. The lyrics are genius. I’ve also thought about how the “fountain of infinite mirror” could also represent the ocean, meaning that he planned to discard her body in the ocean one he was done with her. (The ocean can be seen as an “infinite fountain”)

[@Pleachercommentor-v1h]

This may be an insignificant detail in your Analysis, present or future, but the words "With something to do" Makes me think of him now focusing on hiding the body instead of mourning longer. This would also further prove the reason he claims Insanity in The Mind Electric.

[@mandarinablue38]

Same feeling....yes. Like now he has something to do. Hide, discard the body.

[@iamsprtn]

The mind electric thumbnail is actually amazing

[@kyraa-8077]

i am so glad that i finally found a video that supports my own theory of Simon killing his lover. all the other ones talk about someone else doing it but nooo!! so thank you for this video :) i loved watching it

[@pranstan]

The fact this album still has videos trying to explain the story is awesome and is why I love it.

[@12DAMDO]

i love this song, so it's nice to see more people talk about it

[@finleyforevermore]

I don't know how I missed this, but HECK YEAH!! The HPII Analyses continues!! 🌴🌈

[@CosmicStarVA]

I always had the Impression that Murders was Simon being interrogated and eventually realizing that he was the one who killed Betty (I prefer the name Stella :] ) then causing him to later plead Insanity in the Mind Electric

[@LuxyHugs]

i can see how that makes sense, would the interrogator be the narrator then?

[@CosmicStarVA]

@@LuxyHugs Narrator, Innermonologue, It could be whatever If it were an actual musical, I think it being an interrogation could be interesting :]

[@turtleninja16tn66]

I usually see an interrogation taking place during the first half of the Mind Electric, though Simon disassociates during it.

[@zaza019]

I thought it was like he was telling the facts to a police and little by little he went crazy and ended up confessing

[@Idkausernamelol69]

​@@turtleninja16tn66 the backwards part?

[@persydiangelo8461]

Just a little feedback for future videos/the long combo video. When you refer to each stanza, it might be helpful to have the lyrics up next to your character. The album cover is pretty, but you character off to the side looks lonely, and I can't remember all the lines only listening to them once. So you can kill two birds with one stone by filling the 2/3rds space to the left with the lyrics (or other visuals). Love the assessments so far! I look forward to the Mind Electric!

[@erestrial]

I always thought that the “All for nothing at all” verse was sung by Betty/Stella’s character, as she refers to her years of trying to fall back in love with Simon after their personal struggles and then her disappointment when after finally reviving their love; Simon went and betrayed their trust and well… MURDERED her!!!! You also mentioned in the video that Joe /The Narrator uses different voices (as well as different pronouns) to show the listener which character is doing what - and I’ve noticed that in the final verse, Joe uses a much higher voice than what he uses for Simon, Apollo and his own character, which could also a indicate that it was Stella/Betty saying those final lines? Although, in all the other songs that include Betty/Stella, she is always presented with a female vocalist, suggesting that perhaps it was actually Simon singing those lines to us, but Betty/Stella had previously said it to Simon but during the events of the instrumental moment in the song (so we didn’t hear it) and by Simon singing it to us, he is mocking Betty; showing us that he has no guilt about what he’s done This is a GREAT explanation anyways ,looking forward to The Mind Electric!!!!!!!!

[@LuxyHugs]

I was considering that but the Frank Sinatra connection was stronger to Simon in my opinion

[@rowandunning6877]

@@LuxyHugs could it be both?

[@YoungNeilHimselfOfficial]

watching yt at 3 am and just got fucking jumpscared bc of the thumbnail. thanks dude

[@DuckLovesHistory]

I don't even like the music here that much but I always find myself thoroughly enjoying your storytelling regardless; makes for great background noise too! :))

[@alexisdoingcool]

Love these Hawaii part ii explained videos! The instrumentals are amazing.

[@Plooberton]

Outstanding analysis and explanation. This album became one of my many hyperfixations last year, I analyzed it so much and spent many hours attempting to decipher it with mixed results. Your breakdown and interpretation of the album is phenomenal and truly sheds so much light into this abstract puzzle. I look forward to your next analysis video!

[@defxswords]

As someone who started at mind electric and then left and finally revisted this album and its theories. I personally never understood how simon could have been framed, and I believe that your interpretation is more valid and makes more sense. And it allows the story thus far to include every song that the "framed simon" theorist throw out the window. Which makes the album more enjoyable now that Simon isn't framed.

[@aegiss1]

i always figured the ‘fountain of infinite mirror’ was referring to myrrh, and it was a fountain of infinite myrrh. while watching this, i remembered that myrrh was often used to anoint kings, and so i was theorising if maybe Simon looking for the fountain of infinite myrrh, referring to kings, was him looking for the Earl king/Apollo, for advice but couldn’t find him, or it was him wanting to give full control to Apollo, due to infinite myrrh, or infinite kinghood, aka, infinite Earl king

[@aegiss1]

idk if this makes sense at all😢

[@LuxyHugs]

@aegiss1 I can kinda see it, but this like in particular has always been super difficult for me to think of a story behind

[@boxinglizard977]

In the mind electric there is a line that goes “sorry your honor may I explain, my brain has claimed its glory over me.” That line, I would argue, makes more sense with your interpretation.

[@welkin7321]

can’t wait for mind electric video

[@gallantreequartz5572]

I've been so excited for this one. I love this series. Also, I call the girl Stella because Stella octangula

[@LuxyHugs]

Wasn't aware of this in episode 1, and I didn't want to switch it up when I came back for part 2 for those who didn't know

[@Marz.mp3]

I am using these videos to make my own story in my head about Hawaii Part ii so here it is so far: Simon goes to Hawaii because his mind (Apollo) is telling him to find something new, but soon he meets Betty during black rainbows, which that song describes a bad breakup with a ex partner (I also think isle to thyself could be the same but with Simon) Soon, they meet at a wedding because the Groom is Simon’s friend and The bride is Betty’s family member. They dance together and soon fall in love. During their 2nd date in the forest, Simon got a little too silly and killed her (Edit: I totally forgot that Betty and Simon have to get married so um shhhh)

[@shanesstuff954]

simon and betty????? adventure time refrence?????????????

[@CirqueDuSomni]

And The erlking could be the iceking even

[@CirqueDuSomni]

Yes Debunk It!!! (Finally someone with some sense around here)

[@GG_321]

You are the alternate version of me. You make content about the things I love.

[@charlottewinston6416]

Love this. Only recently stumbled across this album. Can't wait for the next one when you're ready!

[@frogsplat]

heck yeah dude!!!!!!!!!!! i love your analysis, great job!!

[@viktorharle3757]

Made me siscover your channel, super good stuff you make!

[@craz2580]

I thought that the Simon was framed theory was the good one, but after seeing this i think i prefer this wayyyyyyyyy better

[@garamtf2]

Fun Fact: one theme of the album is 9/11 so some of the lyrics of murders (the leaves , references of trees and other stuff) can be a clear example. I think joe confirmed it btw

[@sadlad3821]

Thank you for going over why the Simon being framed theory is wrong, it couldn't be further from the truth

[@biscottobirillo565]

thank you for the food

[@yukolaylie]

FUCK YEAH MY FAVORITE KZbinR IS BACK

[@jasonchen1778]

The mind electric thumbnail looks fire

[@pickle8533]

OHHHH MY GOD I LOVE THIS

[@turtleninja16tn66]

The monster in the background is supposed to be an Anglerfish. While the moon is its lure bulb. This is why I believe that the Anglerfish represents Apollo.

[@ØçëāñŠhåŕķ2334]

Plus, im not sure if i missed it but in mind electric the "defendant" which i beleve to be simon says "my brain has claimed its power over me i have. good heart albeit insane" which if simon was on trial thats him trying to plead insanity due to appolo

[@InteRueStellar]

i've been waiting for this :)

[@StarsareAbove]

I'm a little late but I would like to point out that the demo for Murders uses "I" "we" and "me" instead of "he" "him" "his" which could possibly prove how Simon murdered Betty.

[@LuxyHugs]

i consider the demos non-canon because im 100% confident that the demos tell a slightly different chain of events

[@TheElectricCheeseProductions22]

Simon is literally me fr. I am the rot, the erlking. My brain had claimed its glory over me. Always surrounded by shadows of people not there, always asking hate me, hate me not. Always longing for the fountain of infinite mirror but living in fear of it. Legit fr fr no cap ong simon is literally me. I was in the forest looking to see the trees but none were there

[@genesiscookie]

What if Murders is a representation of Simon's testimony in court, trying to recount the story as if he were framed, but telling the truth in the end.

[@marco-ip3sd]

His testimony is in The Mind Electric

[@imadesmond]

i instantly think of adventure time hearing "Simon" and "betty"

[@proxy6330]

the mind electric disproves the simon is framed theory if you listen to the song, im not sure i understand the argument any other way than simon and his split personality or whatever have you being responsible for the murder

[@questionablekumquat4484]

I can’t wait for the next video!

[@shockerhaven07]

YESSS MY FAVORITE ONE!!!

[@Minisealover]

whoever thought about distorting the piano is genius

[@4crick]

Banger

[@mystery62668]

I love how beautifully creepy this song is

[@MilkOutsideABagOfWorms]

YAY

[@Axcyantol]

16:57 where did you go

[@Baconcat008]

YESSSSS

[@Zealot8]

❤

[@weegeeetime843]

yay!!!

[@dalemi3245]

Honestly i do believe that simon has a good heart, albeit insane, very, VERY INSANE and that he did trully did love betty but apollo got to him and made him murder her.

[@Pikle.]

your ram character reminds me of pbs’s arthur

[@WD_RatLad]

the erlkonig awaits

[@selendevil]

what do you think about *candle on the water* song?

[@ryyissupercool]

hawi port ll

[@Luizz07]

me when i get murdered (skill issue)

[@xX_ewwwewwie_Xx]

Simon and Betty… sounds kinda familiar

[@never_revadas]

Adventure time, come on grab your friends-

[@talking_random]

Is this video edible? I love it so much. I want to consume it

[@acesquid6944]

Haha the funny meme song *18 minutes in* holy heck

[@adrian-gk1yh]

nice

[@Wonderboy-ng2jc]

Hawaii part 2 love,death and heaven

[@DIVING_BELL]

so, Apollo is the Tyler Durden to Simon?

[@LuxyHugs]

Roughly, yes

[@craz2580]

Just saying... Everything happening in the musical can be tied to Simon and Betty from AT, Simon kinda killed Betty when he made her go insane while in a state of insanity himself. She quite litterally became another person, dying in the process

[@CakeIsNotALie]

New vídeo!

[@eroszuno3403]

All?

[@offbrandplaysgdnow]

one of the first 10 lol (good vid tho)

[@potatogirl9436]

i hate the fucking theory that simon was framed as well. it removes all of the symbolic and emotional meaning from the song, and when they say that he actually became insane from electroshock therapy is bullshit. like, the "mind" was talking to him in that song even before that happened. anyways, i like your thoughts but idk how simon is getting married if he is called "minor" in the mind electric.

[@assafalassaf-d8u]

Some poeple say " Shadow of nobody there " Is guilt for something. And that explains " murders of murders living in fear of it " But it can be dumb

[@assafalassaf-d8u]

i mean im dumb haha i dont mean the theory is dumb :P

[@luxxers]

Huh?

[@LordOfDucks-po1iz]

where's the brain electricity

[@LordOfDucks-po1iz]

(i absolutely love the series btw)

[@Matrix77776]

I thought the all for nothing at all part was Simon reflecting on how his efforts to save her were for nothing

[@PSNcharlie97]

When the voices are sus 😳