My HONEST & UNPAID Thoughts On NEW PASSIVE UPGRADES

My HONEST & UNPAID Thoughts On NEW PASSIVE UPGRADES | OVERWATCH 2 DISCUSSION

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@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on the new passive upgrades in OW2? Really curious to hear/read everyone's thoughts! Will be live after 2-3 hours of this video going up, on youtube, hope to see you!

@Ajaylix 3 ай бұрын

Personally, I think if they changed a few passives to where everything is good for each role. The game will probably be at its best. Tune up and tune down soke passives. But at the same time, it'll be like balancing another group of heroes, which may be even harder. Regardless of format, I think packable passives are a benefit overall if they can add more and balance the ones present

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

@@Ajaylix I'm open to them both, I thought they added in a great layer of flexibility to playing one character and adjusting to situation + team comp but I would like to see some actual good passives for DPS first before we double down on this concept, I just felt like DPS was a joke to play in this little test run vs what tanks and supps got.

@logic1093 3 ай бұрын

I tried playing with a friend, it was miserable imo, it was either we completely stomped them while throwing by standing around cover and pressing bullshit buttons or we just didn't get to play

@logic1093 3 ай бұрын

It probably has more to do with all tanks being raid bosses now but still

@rhenanbanner 3 ай бұрын

we should go to the normal hp and nerf and buff heroes in 200hp instead paladins health pool, inflate hp will not save ow2

@BuffGenji 3 ай бұрын

One passive I heard necros suggest was like an executioner passive so DPS do more damage to low health targets

@Wolfin_G 3 ай бұрын

Im honestly sick of the dev team going all in on passives instead of making proper hero changes

@temmoi5681 3 ай бұрын

The dps changes are so insignificant compared to tank and support lol

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

Yeeeeeeep, specially when you play it, you can feel every new passive on tank and supp but you can't feel it on DPS.

@BuffGenji 3 ай бұрын

SPEEEEED tho

@ineedaname5928 3 ай бұрын

@@BuffGenjiYeah, I’ve been having fun with speed reaper and speed soldier. The extra ammo on tracer has been pretty good as well.

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

@@BuffGenji Its impact just gets somewhat cancelled out by what supports and tanks got, the speed was really good for characters already good, characters already bad, it didn't do much for them

@corbinallen4562 3 ай бұрын

To be fair you guys already got a whole format change to make your queue times shorter.

@mrkusty3972 3 ай бұрын

I've a problem with this concept, they are already struggling to balance every character around one passive, if they implement that they'll have to balance the already existing characters + the future ones around 3 passive so they are not completly broken with one of them or completly useless . For me it limit the possibility of the character creation. I might be wrong on this idk.

@DjNaste 3 ай бұрын

They have nk plans to implement this system into the game. This is them obviously wanting to test out a few different ideas they've had to see how they play out in game.

@mrkusty3972 3 ай бұрын

@@DjNaste yea i get the point, but if they have no plan to put this in the game why even try it when a lot of people are asking for a 6v6 quick play hacked.

@DjNaste 3 ай бұрын

@mrkusty3972 so they can test real data with ideas that they have? They've taken little bits they have liked from each QP hacked so far, this one will probably be no different. They are probably torn on whether or not any of these passives would be a good addition to the game, so they're letting the players test for them. The option to choose is basically a public poll or survey to the player base, allowing them to understand the psychology of what the playerbase thinks would be good vs the reality of how their choice actually performs.

@AlexiasPlaylist 3 ай бұрын

@@mrkusty3972 I'm saying it, they got rid of 6v6 as an incredibly lazy money saving response to the shield meta rather than just correcting the supports and tanks that caused it to happen in the first place.

@riv1202 3 ай бұрын

blizzard trying to make a useful passive for hanzo: level impossible

@eliortiz9613 3 ай бұрын

The increase ammo capacity on dps was kind of a big deal. At least on the characters I played as.

@BuffGenji 3 ай бұрын

Wait so if supp passive gives 50% more healing for low hp targets, assuming this also works for Suzu You’re telling me a single Suzu on a debuffed target does more heals than a dash and a swing with genji’s ultimate

@Hsjackow 3 ай бұрын

Poor hanzo, even with 3 pickable passive there is still none that he can really take advantage of. They should just make one passive for hanzo that makes him do 5 additional damage to any target he hits with primary lol

@BlackRaveBow 3 ай бұрын

Maybe they don’t bother with the DPS role because they know it’s already the majority of the player base so people are going to play them regardless.

@grimtech1776 3 ай бұрын

I have to disagree with the ammo passive for DPS. It was incredibly useful when playing Reaper, Symmetra and Venture. The extra ammo helped significantly, Id love to have an extra 2 shots on the Hellfire Shotguns

@OleCopperbeard 3 ай бұрын

As a support I was rocking resourceful for heroes with longer or more impactful cool downs and ran the sudden save for heroes like zen and mercy with lower heals per second. Had a lot of fun

@josesosa3337 3 ай бұрын

I have a theory that these passives were partly introduced to make tweaks easier. Instead of buffing or nerfing a specific hero, the devs can just tweak the passive perks. Just a hunch. Also, others have pointed out that these passives are left overs from the campaign story mode content.

@happywiz1833 3 ай бұрын

As a Genji main - fucking love it. Frenzy is fun. Everything else is meh, on everyone

@alessandrocatallo797 3 ай бұрын

frenzy is broken, you can get the speed buff even by killing object, like ball mines

@tylervanwagener7062 3 ай бұрын

I think this was more to test how people like more variety between games while playing the same hero. Hopefully if people enjoy the variety, they will put more time to develop 2-3 options unique to each hero similar to the talents system in Paladins.

@DonCarmolo 3 ай бұрын

7 bullet cass with fan the hammer was really funny.

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

100 armor conversion for tank negates its use so much its crazy.

@DonCarmolo 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I guess, but the other players were not ready lol. Obviously such a change would wear off its edge pretty quicly as people get used to it, but fanning 14 bullets on unsuspecting targets that wondered too close was funny af.

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

@@DonCarmolo trueee

@smolistguy 3 ай бұрын

tbh i really liked the concept behind this but i feel like the choices were a little overtuned especially for tank and support i would much prefer a system like this to the one have right now (the dps passives are kinda bad lol)

@Pryoadox 3 ай бұрын

Slayer is a cool ability, just make it so the whole team can still see then at critical health and a 2 seconds after. Take the ammo passive out and replace it “shield breaker” dubbed damage to shields but not shield health. frenzy is fine as it is.

@hillwoop9101 3 ай бұрын

DPS passives should be like League of Legends runes like Lethal Tempo, where the more you hit, the more attack speed you get, or Electrocute where you deal a bit extra burst damage when you hit combos for example, Shoot + Ability + Shoot/Melee. And many more

@lystal3425 3 ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking for so long why is it always the dps damage that gets nerfed it’s our job to do damage the issue is the other roles do similar damage numbers some even more which make the lone tank explode, why not nerf the other roles damage???

@olegdusov4273 3 ай бұрын

4:60 ammo is not a number?

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

From the perspective of how breakpoints interact, ammo changes don't mean anything in a world where DPS is by far the worst role again. Tanks getting to up their armor, reduce cooldowns Supports getting to reduce cooldowns, increase their healing Is miles better than whatever DPS got by a massive margin in comparison. Their raw numbers in how they interact went up, Ammo going up means nothing when most of the numbers on most DPS are pathetic now.

@GodzillaRex4 3 ай бұрын

I like that tank passives: Unyielding funni on wreaking ball when they have sombra EVEN EMP I SHORTERTHEY JUST COULDNT KILL ME Armored didn’t use since it’s obvious Last stand I used this on wreaking ball if they didn’t have sombra or anything that has big long term debuffs pile driver funni DPS passives I liked since I’m usually a dive: Slayer: tried to use had same thoughts where if players critical they would be healed super soon so used like 3 times Ammo increase passive what ever it’s called: Decent would’ve been better on Old bastion in turret form just not a lot of characters that benefit from the passive due to low ammo Frenzy: funni passive since speed but literally none of the passive really work for sniper characters which is upsettingish Support didn’t play: Resourceful: bro why Quick save: ok buddy why any unkillable season rememberers? Close call: mobility creep once again Tank I’m happy with DPS should be slightly buffed or changed Support nerf please id die if they ran Bap quick save and Kiriko quick save I’ve seen tanks go to full hp already I don’t need it every time

@thegamer-xf6fv 3 ай бұрын

They should pick passives for each hero like mercy passive and add maybe 2 to each hero

@tau-5794 3 ай бұрын

Make unyielding the new base tank passive, completely remove the headshot, ult gen, and knockback resistances and the role will be in a good spot. Tanks with mitigation make up for the ult gen reduction, and debuff resistance I think more than makes up for the headshot resist. Knockback resistance is largely irrelevant on most tanks and only Reinhardt really needs it, so he can get his own individual passive again. The biggest pain point of tank is being the focus of all the damage and CC abilities in the game, there's already plenty of ways to reduce the damage they take but no way to counter stuff like anti nade, or hack, or stuns, which are actually what gets you killed. They already gave some abilities exceptions for affecting tanks like queen knife and sleep dart, why not just make every CC or non-duration debuff weaker against them instead of going through this rigamarole of making every tank able to walk through 5 players' raw damage.

@tau-5794 3 ай бұрын

As an additional point, maybe update overhealth so it acts more like the current tank passive. It already reduces ult generation, why not also make it reduce headshot damage. That way tanks who have large heads don't take a disproportionate amount of extra damage when using their overhealth abilities, and the numbers for overhealth for non-tanks can be tweaked if necessary. I think Torb could benefit a lot from headshot resistance, since his head makes up a lot more of his hitbox size, and he takes a lot more damage than other dps usually do.

@Saiyagami1 3 ай бұрын

The gamemode is already gone? I didn't even get a chance to play it😅

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

I think its still here for a little longer.

@ashonline77 3 ай бұрын

it'll be gone sometime today

@theaveteam97 3 ай бұрын

The tank passives made me actually enjoy playing tank again. I have more choice in how i play and im not completely shut down if the ENTIRE other team switches to hard counter me.

@theaveteam97 3 ай бұрын

That being said I believe we can actually look at reducing hp pools on tank if the passives actually come to the live game.

@daikio420 3 ай бұрын

All the tank passives were fine except for armored. That passive is too good to exist. Frenzy was good, the ammo one is okay but slayer was ass. All the support passives are cool Honestly the most problematic ones are the passives since they’re just super tanks. If their hp were normal then the armored passive wouldn’t be that good + revert the rework of armor. But if they did do that with 5v5 then tanks would go back ti being damage sponges. If these passives were in 6v6 then honestly it be cool though it’d be better if they personalize the passives instead of it be role passives

@alexanderabad7295 3 ай бұрын

I would love to see this as a permanent feature and include it in comp. Let’s shake the game up a bit.

@reesyloko5741 3 ай бұрын

Dps passive should've been you do more damage at like 20-30% health

@chrislabedzski9076 3 ай бұрын

Actually there is a passive that makes hanzo pretty decent and that to see through walls,, why is that,? well you can play it like windowmaker but with a 2 shot and with seeing through walls passive you can use hanzo ultimate to full effect,,,, it working for me and im in platinum rank lol

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

You can also press shift and get this exact same effect but for full HP targets and time it more appropriately.

@notsosaltygator 3 ай бұрын

Slayer might help finding a low health sombra that about

@agenzmain6146 3 ай бұрын

As a masters support main, the game is the most fun when dps are strong. i had the most time played at the start of season 9 in all of ow2. when dps are strong, people die. Positioning matters, mistakes are punished. And even as a support, my offensive utility has value. When dps are weak like right now, the support role is just staying alive and healbotting. The offensive value feels useless because all the damage just gets healed so easily, especially on the tank. I play kiriko and zen, i am a playmaker. I want to take angles with my dps and make plays. Not just stay afk behind my team, live and healbot my tank all game. in a multiplayer fps game, things need to die for people to have fun what a shocker

@lamparo7028 3 ай бұрын

I was so excited to hear about the quick play hacked I locked doom and realized we were not getting the healing reduction passive Then proceeded to not have fun cause 5v5 is awful game design and no passive in the universe will fix that

@killa6tv931 3 ай бұрын

Wrecking ball with 100 extra armor was def op!!!!

@Dmanbradley 3 ай бұрын

I don't think Blizzard hates DPS players. OW has had issues keeping Tank and Support queues on par with DPS queues since Role Queue was added. If you make all roles equally powerful, Tank and Support will be empty because MOST people that play shooters want to kill stuff and will go to DPS. Why would they play the worst version of the gameplay they are looking for and get flamed every time they chase kills on those roles? On the other hand, when DPS is stronger than Tank and Support you hit the worst case. People that like playing the underfilled roles just quit. They already don't play DPS because they don't want the longer queue times and maybe they are just less aggressive in general. Each one of those rare players that moves to a different game will be hard to lure back and could do long-term damage to queue times. I suspect that is why they keep fiddling with the DPS passive so much. Finally, if you make Tank and Support more satisfying than DPS, most people will still play DPS; but, people will be more likely to flex/stick to the other roles. Everytime a DPS-only player gets denied by a tank or support or lose a duel to them, it may frustrate them towards fighting fire with fire to swap to that role themselves. They already saw as much when support was super busted last summer and when Tank was busted in season 1 of OW2; DPS had near-instant queue times. TL;DR Tank and Support mains are much rarer than DPS mains, so Blizzard is now (wisely) trying to make them as happy as possible so they stick around.

@Kaltar_ 3 ай бұрын

Hanzo got the short end of the stick basically all passives are meh kn him and 1 of them doesn't do anything

@catcat-tp2sn 3 ай бұрын

wait its gone now? no point in playing now

@humblecanadian4206 3 ай бұрын

I really hate the passives and ive really hated all the health buffs and hit box increases like this game needs hugher time to kill. This is kinda thw result of the community complaining abour one shots

@mafikdew78 3 ай бұрын

great for tanks in open queue

@itachi93674 3 ай бұрын

I quit the game was already shit after the last patch. Tired of the complications they add to this game .

@onurbuken3641 3 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie, i personally didnt like the tank passives. Armor, never really worked for me, reducing cc ability was kinda nice but reducing cool downs under 50% was meh. Bc i dont engage team fights below 50% health so idk edit: i also play doom so

@illusioncat556 3 ай бұрын

It helps a few tanks who usually stay in the fray. Unfortunately it makes Orisa, Mauga, and Hog damn near unkillable but it made some usually weak heroes very good because it covers a niche their missing. 50% cool down reduction under 50% HP is soooo good on heroes like Reinhardt(my favorite)and it makes Junker Queen actually SUUUPER strong bro it’s kinda scary. I think these changes should actually come to the game but with a few changes

@onurbuken3641 3 ай бұрын

@@illusioncat556 i totally i get that, there were too many times, in my head i was thinking, why the fuck no one dies! I remember hog would get antied then, he'd be good literally a second after it was annoying. The passives should have been better if they were picked individually for each character than applying globally for each role.

@MrToasty-Penguin 3 ай бұрын

DPS have just gotten like nothing for the last few seasons. At this point I think that support and tank are easier roles to play because of all the changes to DPS are all needs (sorta random but I almost walked into my microwave door typing this) I am sorta biased on my opinion because the difference between console overwatch and PC overwatch is very big. (I've played both) and I'm more of a lower elo player (I'm at around plat level but stuck in silver 🥲)

@illusioncat556 3 ай бұрын

Apologize to your microwave😡

@MrToasty-Penguin 3 ай бұрын

@@illusioncat556 never

@luuidz1966 3 ай бұрын

Loving the 3v3 format, DPS passives are useless for half the cast

@Trenonicle 3 ай бұрын

6:34 wow…

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

THANK YOU I WAS SO UPSET HERE LMAO UNKILLABLE TANKS NOW HAHAHAHAA

@Trenonicle 3 ай бұрын

@@AbbyOW2 new abilities or not, getting solo shattered should be death every time

@thatonepronoun7503 3 ай бұрын

jq with cd reduction was peak broken

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

I didnt get to try queen just yet, was it that good?

@thatonepronoun7503 3 ай бұрын

@@AbbyOW2 you could have axe every 2 seconds

@deadspace4755 3 ай бұрын

They really put DPS in the back position, done many things to netf them or even make the role unbearable

@blublu6841 3 ай бұрын

Terrible just bring 6v6. Dps has some of the most laughable passive. Nothing rewarding nothing compared to the tank and support. It’s stupid and just bring 6v6 tired of the quick fix solutions.

@mihawk7729 3 ай бұрын

Its a fun concept if we absolutely can't return to 6v6 but Team 4 doesn't have the skill to balance what we already have so they can't fix the one really big issue with this change: If there exists a hero that becomes REALLY broken with one of the passives, they will then nerf that hero but in doing so will make them reliant on that passive for basic viability. If they powershift them? Well looks like they're really broken with a different passive, starting an endless loop. See Nanoblade OW1 - They nerfed Genji to 110 damage because of nanoblade and it made him even more reliant on it for blade's value to be worth anything. Heroes must be catered to on a case by case basis otherwise blanket changes cause chaos, this is why role passives in the first place are so polarizing.

@zkhanzut 3 ай бұрын

Unpaid thoughts😂 I like it 👍

@JugsMcNasty 3 ай бұрын

This dev team is killing the game with their ignorance of what made ow great.

@Kayden2304 3 ай бұрын

So you're telling me it's a 24 hour Quick Hack event so freaking done with this company😠😤😤😤

@AlexiasPlaylist 3 ай бұрын

I will not touch this game with the fuckton of passives added. Its literally the thing that turns me off from so many other fantasy shooters, just no. They made their game to be played as 6v6 then in response to a bad meta they just turned it into 5v5 instead of doing the difficult yet correct move of fine tuning all the heros that contributed to that meta. Why do that when they can save money by just turning it into 5v5?

@theredguy92 3 ай бұрын

They shouldve made all passives available to all characters if they were gonna make the dps ones so bad. More proof team 4 is just silver moira/orisa mains.

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

That would be hilariously broken because 20% cooldown reduction on characters like Sombra, Tracer and Ball would be super scary LOL

@Glizzyman 3 ай бұрын

Nah this is secretly just OW3 where they have passive like paladin but there just a downgrade in every way

@voidfields5065 3 ай бұрын

Some characters get no benefit. And some just shouldn't get any Like I don't want Zayra, ball or mauga getting any of these perks

@voidfields5065 3 ай бұрын

Also Ana and Kiriko? Nah they shouldn't get any of these. They shouldn't get jack shit

@MiZZpe1l3d 3 ай бұрын

40% Debuff RES for tanks is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. 20% CD Reduction for supports is even more cancerous.

@AbbyOW2 3 ай бұрын

What I had about the support CD reduction was that it was PERMANENT LMAOOOO

@MiZZpe1l3d 3 ай бұрын

All my stocks are in for that 6v6 dev blog right now. I bought OW in late 2016. I peaked with 3341 SR in my main. Not the best rank to present, but definitely what I am proud of. I really love playing OW, and I just want that magic back. I am not saying to bring back OW1. You guys can keep the micro-transaction in. If I enjoy playing the game, maybe I will invest a bit. But, right now, the game feels like it could die any moment I don't even want to play it. The only reason why I am still sticking around is that my friends are still playing.

@vendetasebastian8867 3 ай бұрын

They are haters of the DPS and tank role. And I'm saying this as a Flex player. The amount of babysitting and power creep they are throwing to the support role is INSANE. The only thoughtful changes are always catered towards the support role. They clearly aren't biased at all, and most importantly clueless at all.