THIS Is Why GENJI Isn't 225 HP | OVERWATCH 2 DISCUSSION

[@AbbyOW2]

What are your thoughts on Genji and Venture as particular standouts on HP not being nerfed? Is it because they don't want to buff their damage? Or are Genji and Venture not the heroes we think they are and they are actually backline snipers and I been playing the heroes wrong?

[@LocalBombardier]

honestly i didnt expect venture to get the HP nerf bc 9/10 times when i hear a high ranked player talk about venture, they essentially say venture is so niche that they're essentially a throw pick. which goes WAY against my personal experience. i would have loved to see the character with an invuln every 10 seconds (plus both abilities being mobility oriented) to get an HP nerf

[@soulshade6079]

Genji should have 225 Hp but have buffed damage.

[@AbbyOW2]

@@LocalBombardier Wait, are you saying they /did/ get an HP nerf? I'm currently away from PC/OW so I cannot check but I would argue the current patch, Venture is actually pretty good on the maps you can play them on, VERY strong on Clash.

[@LocalBombardier]

@@AbbyOW2 no im saying they should have but i didnt expect it in the first place

[@BigPro1123]

Ventures my favorite dps to play. You should be your Ana’s personal body guard so they kept their HP at 250 (this is a joke)

[@aerostrafe1075]

INB4 the midseason patch where they announce that genji has been performing slightly better due to health changes so we are nerfing him to 225 to bring him more in line (below the hitscans)

[@_Couldnt-Care-Less]

one thing isnot being discussed is why lucio deals more dmg than genji and can one clip a tracer but genji cant

[@AbbyOW2]

Oh yeah this is hilarious LOL

[@waterrr6332]

I was laughing my ass off when I compared Lucio and Genji damage and I one burst a Tracer with Lucio. Imagine Genji had 225 hp. Literally the worst hero in the game

[@tau-5794]

Lucio's burst is considerably harder to hit, whereas Genji can shoot all 3 shurikens like a shotgun with no delay. Also you're never going to consistently one-tap Tracer as Lucio because of recall, or blink, or small hitbox, or because there are better targets to be shooting at. Conversely, a Tracer can more consistently one-clip a Lucio because of his health nerf.

[@waterrr6332]

@@tau-5794 The thing is, Genji shurikens aren't consistent either. You're only ever hitting 1-2 shurikens. And aiming with Lucio feels easier imo

[@joeschipper6465]

@@waterrr6332 yeah also genjis in a role called "damage" and lucio is a support XD

[@TogeTheGoat]

Daily Reminder that Lucio does more damage than Genji

[@karlmess9803]

Crazy 💀

[@Gking121]

​@@karlmess9803you wanna know what else is crazy q kiriko kunai does more damage than 2 shrunken and that a zaryra secondary fore does the same damage as he his blade

[@Half-ts3yt]

Don't care DPS Lucio is fun

[@_stfubroskii]

As a Lucio main ever since I started playing this game his damage has always been 20 I don't know why only recently they've decided to have a problem with it.

[@YueeeL]

literally every supports does have you even played the game

[@MrMechLad]

Idk man, balance team is bad at their job, dont feel bad at all that they receive criticism

[@IndeedFlute]

I believe the reason they didn't put genji to 225 is that they can't do compensation buff like how they did to sombra, same applies to venture. if genji got any compensation buff to his blade, shurikens, dash damage. you get the nanoblade one shot back again. i do believe that genji's identity being held down by ana, genji being nano slave is what ruining the hero, because you have this small line, if he is above it he is broken, if he is below it he is mediocre at best ( 30 to 29 dmg in ow1), blade one shot gone in season9 etc. my proposal is make blade like pulse bomb, put blade at 2.8 seconds ( he get's 4 swings), and make his blade cost 50% less. now nanoblade can be played around with bubble/ life grip/ any ability that wastes genji's time. but now genji get his blade more often and it is more of a utility tool. dash reset if he needs it, chasing down targets, forcing CDs like immortality or suzu and of course he can combo with other abilities more frequently. genji is a hero where he have burst damage, but not as high as other heroes, and have dps but also not high enough to be threatening, he doesn't have an edge.

[@joeschipper6465]

i dont mind letting blade be bad, the point is now we dont even have nanoblade and his shurikens still havent been buffed back

[@devindavon6615]

Honesty seeing someone hit the dash,blade and 180 to hit the next dash sounds incredible to watch,I like the idea.

[@zzzdee1980]

The fact Genji's shuriken dmg still hasn't been buff yet since season is truly a sadge moment... Press "F" for Genji 😔

[@TsuChan_]

Great proposition honestly there should be more chars with fast charging ults that are kinda bad.

[@IndeedFlute]

@@TsuChan_ we did try it out in Realth's 6 v 6 pugs, and honestly genji feels far better. i used to force immortalities/ trance, chase a target, etc. and still get it by the next fight to do something more. you can also dash in forcing cds, blade dash out, and re engage again with no defesive cds on enemy team. there is a vod showing that in last sunday, and next sunday there is pugs using it as well.

[@Lucigu888_OW]

I have a lot to say here. I agree with most of what you say, but to keep it short I am going to talk about rat only since he is my field of most knowledge. Junkrat straight up wouldn't be able to survive with 225. Junkrat already is one of the easiest squishies to kill on 250. He has the biggest hitbox and headhitbox of the squishies (without counting bastion and torb). He has the worst mobility of the "mobile" characters. His mine movement is insanely easy to follow and to shoot him out of the air and he also sacrifices a lot of dmg and lethality using it unlike most other characters. That is not to say that this season finaly got the most close to evening the playing field between junk and both flyers, it would quickly become one sided again with him at 225. Not to say, he would become unplayable into dva who already easily eats him up, just imagine if he was 225. He would not be able to play the game. Those are the biggest examples, but he would struggle a lot more into hitscans, he would be even more vulnerable to dive comps. Junkray does not work on 225 until he gets a lot of improvements. The primary change was good, but after a good test, I believe we need to straight up limit the last bounces to get rid of the randomness there. He will need a faster primary, which I have been saying and Spilo has also been insisting on it for a while. After his second bounce he should loose the direct impact dmg. His mine needs some improvements on terms of health, and steel trap has to get a small rework at some point bc its one of the worst utilities in the game. After that is done, that is when you could likely reduce his hp, and even then, I do not think it is a good idea to reduce his hp.

[@Kitten_Catapult]

I would actually take a blade buff if they took away the ability to dmg boost it. Lift it up to 125 per swing and let Genji gain health per kill or give him some dmg resist to survive

[@AbbyOW2]

Shuriken damage going up = better ability to duel which he needs, making him more blade reliant keeps him locked into the same problems, there is too much stuff in the game countering blade, making him rely on that will still make the hero feel bad

[@Kitten_Catapult]

@@AbbyOW2agreed, but focusing on his ult, blade is being balanced to take into consideration dmg boosting abilities, which is forcing genji to become dependent on supports. Give him some independence and surely QOL will increase?

[@魚-c3d]

​@@AbbyOW2I say if he's brought down to 225, increase shuriken damage to 29, increase blade damage to 130-140 and make it so it can't be damage boosted. I don't see why both couldn't happen

[@BlueBeastGMNG]

I always write book long comments and save them to notes as I rant. But I’m gonna let it fly a bit. I’m a low rank silver to gold player at my best. But I have play and excelled at a lot of sports and competed a lot. One thing that sticks out to me objectively is that we live in a world trying to circumvent hard work. When you do that you devalue rankings. Now nothing means anything and many don’t care. Competition is built on the high of a meaningful win. That really means you have to have the painful losses. Not losses because you were winning and someone tagged in a ringer, but knowing that it was a hard fight and you got outplayed at the end. That creative play that makes you applaud your adversaries. Idk how to replicate that all the time but I can tell you this. The more things feel cheap, the less respect people will have for their opponents. I say all that to say fundamentally if this balance team wants to win things should seem clear. We either have one shots or we don’t. I’d say there is a lot more room to play with the mobility vs messing with one shots. Like can hanzo have 2 or 3 lunges? Can we nerf Torb turret range so he doesn’t get value from the toilet? Should translocator have a range limit and weaken her throw? Maybe Widow grapple doesn’t reach as far? Idk the answers that why I follow along and read what you say. But somethings do feel like they reward/ punish you for just picking them alone

[@TsuChan_]

Hanzo is op in his own way, they should change him, buff his mobility nerf his damage, it would fix his current problems his unfairness and make him way funnier to play. People are too attached to the "one shot" that's why they are struggling to balance him.

[@brandobeef7698]

We should’ve never changed health pools from 200

[@C-R.]

True. Personally I believe the game was better in season 7.

[@jesusmclovin6765]

Was changed bc of healing creep, but dps passive would have been more than enough

[@brandobeef7698]

@@jesusmclovin6765 yeah but they didn’t want to nerf everyone’s characters so instead of just healing nerfs. They buffed everyone’s health and added the dps passive.

[@theworldsdumbestplansincor7403]

I think that the reason why Venture isn’t at 225 is that they have a pretty big hitbox. Also I don’t know what the balance team is doing with Reaper. They were going to give him a new ability to replace shadow step but I don’t know if that’s still in the works.

[@Mid_Potato]

even reaper isnt that hard to fix imo they said he will take time maybe they wanna change something besides his shadow step or tp or his whole kit in general we still dont know.......

[@D-Doc-C]

They should just give Reaper an M2 to make his kit more dynamic and raise his skillceiling imo. A somewhat limited ranged/zoning option that is a skillshot could really make him more interesting to play at all levels, and they could even nerf his wraith form/life steal to compensate.

[@Yes-gn3np]

Bro you’re really our voice Genji mains. God bless you 🙏🏻

[@BigPro1123]

Venture is my favorite dps character rn. I only like them and Mei in the damage role. My first match as Venture this season was really good. They’re really strong against the 225 hp targets. I do think venture needs an hp nerf or nerf their passive where they get shield when using abilities. Both would have pretty much the same affect.

[@rb8258]

I know he shouldn't be 225 but it would be so funny after all this time Genji got nerfed again

[@AbbyOW2]

Won't be surprised

[@SpiritedFalcon]

They might nerf him to 225HP in the mid-season patch with the logic being "he's been performing better after some heroes were nerfed to 225hp." Lol.

[@AyItsJxx]

One thing I don’t see a lot of people talk about is that Genji has an asinine amount of bugs at times. Not as many as Doomfist, but still a good number. The amount of times I have had my blades ruined by that goof ass no reg glitch needs to be studied, because with an ultimate as bad as Dragonblade is right now, I feel like the fact the server itself has a chance to just say “yeah no fuck you” to my Q is diabolical. This has been a running bug for 2 years by the way, and I’m a console player so I’m not the best but I like to believe I know a bit of what I’m talking about.

[@blukitsune372]

I feel like there should be a few exceptions to the 225hp rule, 1 being Juno she is extremely easy to kill with no "get out of jail" abilities (e.g. anti-nade, lamp, fade [moira and reaper], recall, suzu, TP, ect) + she has 0 self healing abilites outside of her Ult. so she should go back to 250hp maybe add shields instead of health. Genji should stay at 250hp while they look for a fix for him, if you nerf him without that fix you will kill him completely and that can make fixing him almost impossible to do without making him broken later. so fine tuning numbers and stuff with tons of data is better than going, "well this character is dead and I have no idea how to bring them back, so lets give him 32dmg shurikans and a 4sec dash" Bap should be at 225hp for a different reason, He can heal himself with regen burst [that gets stronger at low HP] (get out of jail ability 1), He can also lamp himself for a few seconds (get out of jail ability 2), sure he can escape with his jump but it is pretty much just a high ground shortcut. Also dmg snipers should have low health being able to kill anyone outside of tank in 1-2 shots and being able to take a lot of dmg in return without dying, is a really bad and unhealthy idea so i can see why hanzo got nerfed there. Imagine a widow with 250hp like hanzo had, she would dominate and make the game super unfun and make it a "keep the widow alive" game.

[@Olmeuu]

Bro juno's entire thing is relying on mobility, not every support has to have a "i click button, i survive" kinda thing, sorry to say it but if you die a lot on her its a skill issue.

[@blukitsune372]

@Olmeuu I know and I like Juno for that "anxiety filled" play style and I don't want her to have self healing. I was just saying that because she has that health nerf she just falls over if you make a single mistake. I would like you to play against ashe and widow + dive, you will fall over instantly as soon as you use anything other than ult or hyper ring and if they kill your other support first you will die shortly after unless you run back to spawn or your tank distracts all enemies. My point isn't that she is extremely mobile my point is, in the current state of the game she just dies, unlike Moira, Bap, Reaper, Tracer who all have a "NOPE not dying" button, Juno has to play cover all the time and can't be caught out once or else she falls over. Lucio is really fast and can change his verticality and speed alot and is extremely hard to kill because of that + can self heal. Juno is linear in speed and verticality + No self heal, very easy to kill. Also like zero duelling potential unlike lucio who can duel tracers, reapers and some tanks.

[@kenshimitsuX]

​@@blukitsune372and bro point is not every hero need that You name a PORTION of the cast that has that, Juno is extremely mobile and that alone should be enough to keep her alive, she's basically an airborne Lucio, Lucio doesn't have a "nope not dying" ability Like idk if u know, but players who are passionate about the game don't actually like "nope not dying" abilities

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

​@@blukitsune372at the point you wrote this comment Juno had the highest winrate in the game of any support at something like a 55% wr. Even with Sombra being strong. Sorry to say it's a skill issue and if she went to 250 HP her mobility would then need to be nerfed. And you would keep dying lol.

[@Black_company101]

If genji got 225 hp that'd make him die faster then he alr is when using ult like 250 hp u get deleted in 2 sec if they gave him 225 that'd be disastrous

[@AnimeArtist666]

love the videos and rants you are very passionate about the game and it shows

[@AbbyOW2]

[@it0myun]

It sucks too, because they have buffed all of Genji's counters since season 9 and left him to struggle. Like I get it yeah a Genji singling you out can be annoying, but like stay with someone then? And why do people feed into this idea "if Genji gets buffed it's the end😱" like come on. The entire roster has atleast 1 thing to actually counter or deny Genji except widow. Yet we're fine with Tracer and Sombra singling out supports and that's somehow different? But hey what do I know

[@D-Doc-C]

Just out of interest, who exactly would you consider a Genji counter? Outside of the obvious choices like Cassidy and Sombra

[@it0myun]

@D-Doc-C Sym, Zarya, Moira, Lucio, Baptiste I would say Zen too because you can discord through deflect and just wait, but thats just playing it correct the ults really the only thing that counters him, Brig, Honestly echo can counter him you can use her beam through deflect but that's like a passive counter, this is just my opinon like I said what do I know. If im wrong I'm wrong I won't argue

[@Gking121]

​@@D-Doc-Czarya, winston, moira, bap, illari, lucio, kiriko, to be honest if you have skill with any character genji isn't that threatening to you.

[@it0myun]

​@@Gking121 literally

[@ケンジロ]

No one plays Genji, people who do, are mostly good at it. Now add the fact that the balance team does not know anything about the game. They see a few people playing a character that they know very well how to use because its the only one they've been playing for years, they think the character is just fine.

[@D-Doc-C]

Idk man, I'm seeing an insane amount of Genjis this season, maybe it's just me

[@Azygousz]

@@D-Doc-C i rarely see genji, all i can see is sombra

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

​@@D-Doc-CIn s13 I swear it's Genji every single game. I think I'm the only person who doesn't find him fun to play, but I like venture who is similar.

[@rainer9931]

Because if they did nerf characters like Genji and Venture, who werent particularly good, they would have to give them compensatory buffs, and theyre fatally allergic to buffing Genji and Venture Edit: I wrote this during the intro I didnt think the video was actually abiut this 😂

[@AbbyOW2]

[@joeschipper6465]

venture deserves a flat nerf one of the most uninteractive champs u can ever try 1v1

[@BigPro1123]

@@joeschipper6465I don’t really find venture a problem to fight. Venture is my dps main so maybe I just know how to fight them better. If I find myself struggling to fight a certain character in a game I will play them to learn their counterplay by watching what other players do to stop me. I do that for many games and it really helps me learn characters weaknesses and makes me improve at the game.

[@Jidom_101]

@@joeschipper6465You interact with venture the same way you’d interact with say reaper, just wait for their cooldowns then attack lol

[@cstristan]

Venture needs no buffs. Genji prob does but is still playable.

[@zuhayrakhan]

The thing about Genji, Hanzo, Venture etc. is not that they are stronger characters that need nerfs rather the skill peak you reach with them is higher than other characters because how they have been designed. For instance, let's compare Genji vs Cass. Genji has faster movement and, he can climb, and double jump you can improve on that. He can close distance and damage you or get away with a dash (can be very effective especially if you land a kill), can shoot long range and short range, wide and thin and can also deflect shots. These are all abilities that you progress as you play him more. On the other hand, Cassidy skill primarily relies on steady movement with pinpoint shots (effective only at short-medium range) which you can improve. The Cass roll can be effective in evading heavy strikes but that's about it. His other abilities are not that you can improve on to drastically to make a difference. This type of disparity is what causes problems in the game when both players have similar skill level but one has more tools to go. Hope this helps.

[@blueoystercult124]

What do you think about buffing dragon blades dmg to scale with 250 hp health pools so that it is not like swinging a pool noodle at the enemies so it could potentially not be one of the two worst ults in the game?

[@AbbyOW2]

Not solving his issue, making him more reliant on blade means your overall effectivity in a teamfight is to mostly farm for ult rather than be reliable duelist. I'd rather take the weaker ult but stronger duel capability than a strong ult that is easy to shut down VS weak duel. Right now, he's weak in both

[@kaja-xb6kg]

PLEASE MAKE ASHE 225 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[@AbbyOW2]

Oh I wouldn't mind Ashe in 225 honestly

[@devindavon6615]

As an Ashe main,Yeah I vipe with it. She's too perfect right now,the only issue is she has a really easy to abuse head hitbox so she might actually explode harder than the rest of the 225 HP roaster. But right now she's just the best overall Hitscan after the Cass nerf so it's time for a nerf.

[@afterthought9538]

Her lethality against 225 HP also increased, so I would agree with this. I'm beginning to think they should just reduce everyone's HP at this point. 225 HP for standard HP heroes, would not so meaningfully affect the breakpoints for anyone except for projectile heroes and Ashe. Of course tank power would be an issue, but they're just gonna change them again next season anyway...

[@criticalpopo6501]

Baptist dosent have movement wtv u said about Baptist yea your not cooking at all😂

[@kaja-xb6kg]

@@criticalpopo6501 what blud yapping about 😹😹😹

[@kartikeyatiwari2502]

Baptiste has a decent hitbox, he doesn't need to have 225 hp

[@joeschipper6465]

if lucio can get 4 dmg per bullet genji can get atleast 2, 28 dmg imo changes nothing he needs atleast 29 or maybe even 30 the health pools just ruin him that badly, also if blizzard really wanna actually make a good change for once they can revert that blade swing speed buff and put the dmg up to 140

[@katangwemumbi1996]

Dev logic: Junkrat can one-shot a sniper (Hanzo), but the sniper can’t one-shot Junkrat

[@Lucigu888_OW]

Junkrat straight up wouldn't be able to play the game on 225. Dva would eat him, flyers would eat him up, hitscans would eat him up... And also his mobility is insanely predictable, the worst of the "mobile" cast in which he is really easy to shoot out of the air. Also hanzo is already really good into him just bc of his range. Junk can't consistently get close to him like any other mobility character can and also sacrifices his 2 shot doing so as well I do think hanzo needs a buff tho (he should have storm arrow on 85 and have only 4 arrows so he can 3 shot squshies with it)

[@katangwemumbi1996]

@@Lucigu888_OW so how was he playable before season 9 then?

[@willtheconqueror6148]

I’m a Bap main and yes I’m very surprised how long we dodged nerfs. Still going strong baby! Baptiste is ABSURD but I enjoy playing him so much. We should be at 225 but I’ll take the 250 lmao. We don’t have 3 HP bars…it’s 2 and a half

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

Now you got a buff because the devs are actual invalids

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

Just to make a point. Accross all ranks genji has sat around a 50% wr for the last three months. That is not bad at all for a character with such a high pickrate and low skill floor. He just excels as more of a brawl hero rather than dive nowadays.

[@Zeus-2231]

i found you and i like the rants im always listening while aim training , your voice is soothing

[@driftr3004]

I’ve accepted the fate of my hero, blizzard hates genji and loves hitscans. Mcree we live in a world were cree is what he is, and supports being what they are.

[@carvode7428]

Its ironic that cass is the best meta dps. Yet he is still just an illari without a pylon. Just goes to show that blizz just tries to kill the dps role so that people start qing support and tank.

[@huuREG]

Baptiste only has 3 health bars guys!

[@Mid_Potato]

yep he doesnt need a change trust :3

[@carvode7428]

An off topic comment but I really think that no one discusses an overall loss of identity in the damage role. It used to be an actual **damage** role until tanks were buffed into beinf the raid boss all in 1. They became backline hunters until supports got better damage and dueling potential than dps. Dps became a "one shot" one trick pony role and they decided to practically remove any one shot from any character except widow Dps became "dps passive" support to the tank 1v1s so it got nuked and basically removed from the game. So what is the dps role now? Just a filler role to either help supports focus on healing instead of spending time destroying flankers or help clean up low hp targets left by a tank. No agency, no purpose and only more nerfs to any dps that can actually dps. Yeah with a big enough skill gap on certain meta characters dps is a fine role and is still fun, but overall balance wise its the most worthless part of the team.

[@Mid_Potato]

this is why 5v5 is a problem when you have one tank two dps and two supports the power between supports and dmg can be split but having that one tank they need everything which is frustrating to play with and or against

[@m_tzy]

almost made me get back to ow with this genji gameplay of how good this is

[@Mikuroko69]

Genji is kinda like the opposite of widow. They won't buff genji because "he'll roll the enemy in low elo lobbies" and they won't nerf widow because "she'll fall over in low elo lobbies"

[@GStefanes_]

As someone who plays Cassidy a lot, i hate the damage nerf he received in the mid S11 patch. His effective range dropped significantly and you cant off angle as effective as you once could, it absolutely sucks having to play alongside your tank most of the time. I would much rather he had the same damage he did in S9 and have his HP reduced from 275 back down to 250.

[@thederpydazer]

Just feels like so many balance mistakes that piles on the longer the game goes and it’s kinda infuriating when you start thinking about all the bs they put in over time.

[@haku4841]

I’d slightly increase ventures range as a compensation Plus the 225 hp change to genji actually fulfills the goal of making him weaker in low ranks as it gives him less free value and buff his active parts in his kit

[@BigPro1123]

Venture is my dps main and I’d take that trade

[@haku4841]

@@BigPro1123 yea and I’m not saying anything crazy even 2/3 more metres would make her a lot more fun and flexible

[@TshepangTiro]

2 popular guys that made dps feels like dps on this game are gone.. Glad u touched well on this..shimada brothers needs to get fixed before something bad happans to the game

[@МистерИ-ю8л]

Honestly, this all sounds like bullshit from Blizzard, maybe we should just cancel all the changes that were made in season 9? Seriously, instead of adding passive DPS and increasing HP, they should have simply reduced the healing of supports and reworked the abilities of Mercy and Kiriko, and of course reworked Mauga himself after season 8. p.s. I partly agree that the junk is mobile, but if he cannot kill and the probability of this is 80%, then he simply cannot return. Once you are flanked, you will either kill or die. Changes in HP will clearly be detrimental to him, however, I agree to this if they increase the damage of the mine and return the one-shot.

[@Olmeuu]

Bro the balance team is allergic to reverting bad changes, just look at how long it took for 6v6 to even be mentioned at all, we're stuck with these dumb hp changes maybe until we actually turn back to 6v6

[@YMan-zo5kg]

I think toning the hp pools down is the right direction and the devs just needed to go further with it. The only dps/support I think shouldn’t get an hp nerf are genji, soldier, bastion, torb, tracer, widow, brig, zenyatta, and maybe Ana or Mei. Everyone else should have lost 25 hp in this patch. Cassidy should receive a range buff but go down to 250. Ashe is still stupid good with an escape tool and should be 225. Illari, bap, and Lifeweaver all got movement and no reason Lifeweaver should be 275 regardless of if he’s underwhelming. Reaper could go down to 275. Then also just adjust armor on the tanks and genji is gonna become real playable again along with hanzo. Also nerf sombra and moira extra damage buffs last patch.

[@kenshimitsuX]

Lbr bro, the only roles that needed an HP boost was DPS and tank, supports LITERALLY have ANY NUMBER of abilities to get out of shet

[@vela_nova7651]

I think l it could help to factor in hitbox size just a little bit when making these health changes

[@gavinatorthegr835]

Imma be honest, I think venture and reaper's hit boxes are too chunky to lowwer to bellow where they are considering thier poor range. Also, neither have as much constant mobility as other charecters do, it's alot slowwer/telegraphed than other mobility options and are on cooldowns, decently long ones at that. Finally, in my opinion, if reaper (needs) his health lowered to bellow 300, then season 9 was a complete and total failure and should be reverted. Mind you, Reaper had a 20% max hp increase in s9 while most characters had a 25%. Not to mention he also had one of the lowest increase to his weapon size. The only buffs reaper received were a death Blossom damage increase and the spreed decrease and maybe something else I don't remember.

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

Yeah but he has 2nd highest wr in DPS for like 2 or 3 months in a row. By a huge amount at like 53-55%. He's in so many of my master games it's stupid. They need to nerf his healing imo, that's what's making him so obnoxious. Especially as he's one of the easiest DPS.

[@anthonyfarias5076]

Nice vid, but I think venture is fine. Skillfull character with powerful cooldowns that dies very fast without them. Also a very good projectile to break hitscan meta (although I personally don't mind hitscan meta).

[@Jidom_101]

I just don’t really see a need for venture to get an HP nerf, they have a kit where any small tweak can really make or break the character meta-wise, and I actually think that right now venture is in a good sweet-spot. Technically they don’t have to give venture buffs in return for the HP nerf (like echo), but then I think venture would be unnecessarily bad when they were already in a healthy state

[@kenshimitsuX]

Venture actually needs to be reworked it's actually a broken hero, (can be dealt with, but not without trying hella hard)

[@hillwoop9101]

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[@retro3856]

They are also constantly balancing genji around nano and blue beam to the point the character can’t see any type of buffs to make him self sufficient, more so it’s annoying how his “blade” is supposed to be where all his power is but it’s not that powerful the ultimate is meh it’s not as threatening as people like to make it out to be. I think nano blade is fine imo it has counters that aren’t even ultimates while being an investment of two ults for the potential reward of a team wipe. People forget how much blade and genji’s ult has been nerfed to favor supports in ow1 his ult generation caught two nerfs so he isn’t capable of building blade at the same rate as ana or any other support so a support ALWAYS has an answer for blade ALWAYS. Yet it somehow is still a problem? I call bs.

[@YueeeL]

if anything he needs to be at 300 hp hes a point blank character that cant pressure for more than 2 seconds in the pre fight and q is a self detonate button already so increasing his dmg and lower hp would kill him even further, instead we should keep buffing zarya moira kiriko and sombras dmg

[@justanotherrandom7841]

They only took hanzo to 225 for hanzo diffs, that’s it💀 theses devs are unbelievable

[@xdgamer0189]

personnaly why i think venture is 250 is due to their cooldowns if they combo a hero (burrow to engage and drill dash to confirm the kill) then they have nothing to get out for like 7 seconds

[@chungusultimate]

venture is a close ranged hero with a big hitbox, obviously they should be 250 at minimum.

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

​@@chungusultimateyh I dnt understand venture being 225, she kind of plays like an off tank disrupting the backline with cc. Nerfing her HP would be crazy

[@mastergrivus5529]

Baptiste is literally a raid boss with 3 phases (for each one of his cds)

[@Mid_Potato]

he been like since ow1 I havent played ow1 ever before idk what they were doing with him .....

[@YouCanCallMeIz]

It's ridiculous that they won't buff Genji but they'll turn Sombra into the Squishy Deleter 3000 and allow her to run amok murdering every support she sees.

[@brycenb2994]

Wasn’t the 225 health change targeted at hyper mobile characters?? Bap is definitely not hyper mobile so nerfing his health makes literally no sense. Same with venture. The only reason Hanzo got nerfed was to compensate the indirect buff of him being able to one shot more characters. And genji is the only genuinely surprising non nerfed character. Tho they probably like where his damage is right now and don’t wanna buff it to compensate

[@tigerfalco]

1 minute in and im already dying because of the Bap rant, it feels like im hearing someone echo my feelings and it feels so vindicating. Especially Torb, Idc what anyone says he's bloated, 1 ability that buffs your fire rate, movement speed, and gives health? I get that his other ability is a turret, but it still feels like poor design to me. If any other character in the game had that it'd been nerfed off frame 1. Also Abby, I had aa random idea for a Genji video, was curious if you could give input, or maybe interested in helping out. It is a Genji video and I feel like you might have some input to help me format things or tell me its not worth it lol.

[@lukenerdy]

NAH that hanzo joke was good, but yeah no its kind of crazy how good venture is rn especially on clash. Im very mixed on seeing a genji buff but he's in at least to me such a weird spot idk what you would do with him

[@roxas13keyblade65]

Genji feels pretty good to play rn ngl

[@catalinbostan3542]

Small size hitboxes should have reduced HP,all of them. Sojourn and Genji shouldn't be an exception,225HP

[@yabito]

I am thinking if genji is the only hero that has a defensive skill and is not slowed. Am i right???

[@AbbyOW2]

Huh? No? Zarya bubble does not slow her down, neither does Kiri Suzu, or Bap lap? Winston Barrier?

[@Me3l3ssi0]

Bap never gets nerfed in exchange for barely ever getting skins

[@rozgar345]

the problem with overwatch right now is that some characters are often too oppressive

[@aidensolid6657]

while I agree with most of stuff you said, I just love the fact that Genji mains are the most salty and intense people ever and I despise a lot the character. Its one of those characters where you just have to counterpick, otherwise youll keep getting rolled. But yeah, once you counter, there really isnt much to do for Genji

[@tyrenace6597]

Most likely lies in the Deflect, if Genji didn't have Deflect they probably wouldn't have any problems buffing him.

[@nuketnz7801]

They buffed torb & sym b4 genji, not much surprises me anymore but this....

[@lordsowler]

Hot take on Genji, disable buffing him with blade (or when he pulls it out) and put dragon blade in 150 so he can 2 hit anyone character who isnt a tank and even with heals and get back to 28 his shurikens/75 his dash.

[@Manso..]

Because if they nerfed genji, the community of this hero would burn down some house

[@orbamazed896]

Buff genji ult damage to man to compensate against 250 hp buffing it to 130 would bring back the slash dash combo

[@AtvrisLantern]

Your gengi is so clean man

[@azureaurelia5381]

I'll just say it. I think the game is more fun when Genji isn't a part of the meta. Strong believer that only Tracer and Echo should be good in the Dive dps role.

[@karlmess9803]

@@azureaurelia5381 how can u say that when he never been part of the meta ?

[@nbnkenji8204]

A skilled tracer and echo are way more miserable to play against since the both have at least one bs cool down and have way less counters lmao

[@ImPoStier]

I hate genji reflect isn’t fun to play against its like defensive matrix immortality field etc just not fun imo

[@HeinGott]

@@ImPoStierhating genji deflect is a huge self report for you being bronze

[@ImPoStier]

@@HeinGott I’m not bronze I’m diamond, I’ve been masters, i don’t play a lot overwatch kinda sucks

[@kecksbelit3300]

Man i hate venture she is like doomfist but for dps and as addition she also get's pharas normal attack

[@ISM_KITSUNE]

season 12 tier list?

[@theredguy92]

RIP Genji

[@Titus585]

Why is Cassidy able to keep 300hp....

[@kecksbelit3300]

The only thing i don't like about genji is nano blade

[@blkc744]

Probably they will put him at 225 with no compensation at all or maybe just dash at 75. The thing is at the moment 28 or 29 dmg will change nothing cuz junkrat Ashe and Cassy are too powerful. He needs 90 ms shuriken, 30% spread reduction on right click, 75 dash dmg and 45% movement speed while blade. If they don't do this to make him playable now he needs at least 32 dmg.

[@kommandantkillcode]

Cass doesn't feel too strong rn, and Junk would only be a bit more of a problem if Genji got brought down to 225. Ashe is absolutely the worst though considering how easy it is to play her and how much free value she can get from her high damage, and high consistency.

[@Kitten_Catapult]

@@blkc744 I love Genji, but damn this would be terrible to play against. It’s okay for the character to be niche imo

[@AbbyOW2]

Buffing dash would 100% make him broken, that is a pandora's box to open up haha, much more feasible to just buff shuriken to 28, the original value for 6 years.

[@dsvd4727]

@@AbbyOW2 Making his damage lower because he was strong for few weeks because of speed on kill passive, and then not giving it back after they removed the passive, and THEN giving everyone more hp without touching his damage is just plain hate. They hate him and genji players.

[@blkc744]

@@AbbyOW2 I think that u can even leave him at 27 and leave dash at 50, speed at 90 ms and spread reduction is need cause in 5v5 and with tank changes he needs more to be more a poke character before engaging. The 75 dmg dash I don’t think it broke him cuz if u think about it every character has a dmg compensation on cd after season 9 except genji

[@Mrashen70]

For the first time i agree that reaper needs Nerf health

[@devindavon6615]

300 HP and 25% iirc lifesteal goes hard.

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

​@@devindavon6615the guy is a fucking tank. I can't even 1v1 a reaper as DVA he won't die 🤣

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Keep genji in the bin. He's been on the edge of oppressive for years regardless of what genji stans say.

[@Niros11]

All they need to do is just revert the season 9 changes. This experiment failed

[@erjohn5404]

Blizzard doesn't listen to it's community stop acting like they do. They don't care, If they do overwatch 2 will not happened because brig and baptist will get nerfed and genji already has deflect buff or damage buff. I'm reminding you they don't care about any of us

[@assassith]

3:58 I disagree with this entire sentiment. If a character's only weakness comes from counter-swapping, that is not a skill issue. It does not take skill to swap Zarya or Sym or any beam character to kill a Genji. It should instead be changed for beams to fall in line with everything else, so that abilities like deflect, D.M., Kinetic Grasp, etc. aren't solely countered by those abilities. The fact that Genji manages to avoid nerfs because a select few heroes counter him into the floor is ridiculous. They need to remove that stupid weakness and properly balance him. Also, believe it or not, 300 HP is *less* than what Reaper *should* have gotten. If the devs properly scaled the health pools up, Reaper would've gotten 333.33 HP, so he is in fact *WEAKER* than he was previously, relative to the other characters. He is also not S-tier on his own, he had 4 individual pocket heroes get buffed this season who excel at negating Reaper's weaknesses. I know character's got nerfed to 225 which, theoretically, should have increased his lethality. But why does Genji, someone who was previously stronger than Reaper last season, not also vastly dominate this season? He is far better at dueling than Reaper is, so he should've increased in strength as well, since these nerfs are far more valuable to him than they are to Reaper. For that same reason, I don't believe Reaper deserves any nerfs because the second those pocket heroes lose their power, Reaper will end up in the worst spot he has ever been in in the entire history of OW.

[@hiimnifty3625]

Honestly I can't find myself giving any sort of care in the world while the game is 5v5 anyways.

[@crack-man4071]

Damn abb was holding NUTHIN back against these gold supports

[@benybikar1486]

putting 76 at 225 wouldnt make any sense since he hits like a soft potato

[@badcheatcodes5424]

This game is slowly becoming Pokémon unite

[@dylan-xp8ih]

how lmao

[@Daavel]

the reason genji doesn't get buffed is the same reason doom can never be meta, they simply go berserk the second they become meta and everyone hates to play against them, because the players that have mastered these characters in their worst states are simply too good, i personally don't want genji to be meta because it is already hard enough to shutdown a good genji, he's hard af to hit, call it a skill issue or whatever u want, i always struggled against good genji's because it is simply too hard to hit him and this is coming from a player that's been in GM and played the game for 3 years now

[@H4VOK_YT]

Doom is fine as he is.

[@dsvd4727]

They could at least look for a thin line where he is balanced, by trying things out instead of just cutting his tendons and expect him to run with everyone else, the more genji is in that state, the bigger the effect you are explaining will be, people are already saying that he is good, when the sole reason for that is people hard grinding him. Back in the day you didn't have to land all headshot for damage, now he is requiring as much hs precision as widow, you deal no damage if you don't hs a lot

[@yabito]

I agree, as main doom, learn and thrive from his limitations only make him more disruptive if devs buff him a little bit

[@perm1thurple581]

I soft agree for sure, a good genji can feel oppressive as hell but there are still ways of buffing characters to at least make them feel better to play. Genji deflect could get like a 15% beam dmg reduction so hard counters dont completely shit on him and doom just needs sombra to be gutted

[@H4VOK_YT]

@@perm1thurple581 sombra is a joke most sombras litterally need to give up so much value just to single out and counter a doom, as doomfist you can litterally reveal sombras using slam and check health packs for sombras. I think doomfist's biggest counter is burst damage in grouped together brawl comps since he's squishy diving in and getting burst instantly sucks but the upside is that it lets him build empowered punch much more easily which he can use to hit multiple closely grouped enemies.

[@martinolsson2619]

Whats up with the bap obsession, he*s fine. Genji is also fine where he is. We need Junk and Widow nerfs, not because they are op but because they destroy gameplay.

[@ImPoStier]

Bastion is pretty mobile with his grenade jump tech nerf him to 225 as well 😂

[@crack-man4071]

12:00 why did you jump 😭😭😭

[@carvode7428]

Armor change is so braindead. Not only it makes no sense and is the most unintuitive thing in the game, but it also makes it so that the characters designed to deal with tanks end up being worse at doing their primary job than ashe or cass who are designed to kill squishies. Also it makes no sense how they try to kill any skill in the game. Lets make bullets large as fuck so that yoir aim doesnt matter, lets reduce tank headshots so that your aim doesnt matter, lets increase the healthpools so that even a grandpa can react and deny any kill with 99 no skill abilities, lets remove one shot combos for the same very reason. God fucking dammit, they try to remove all those "frustrating" mechanics and make everything so consistent that the game feels so boring already and every single interaction is so consistent that its more and morr common to have those "I guess I just die" moments or every kill feeling more like "well, I spent resources so he couldnt do anything to me". Every game is like an RTS match and not an exiting fps shooter anymore.

[@FlamesFireOW]

12:59 💀

[@ProbABurner]

sick of the counter picking argument... just play better and there is no such thing as a counter

[@onurbuken3641]

"we can all play to improve and get better" i had a rarded person in my lobby went 007, and typed "GG" bro that wasn't a gg lol. ow players are annoying af with their positivity

[@BigPro1123]

When people have stats like that in my games they are toxic af. I had a dva/zarya player stand balls deep in the enemy and I’d pull them out as LW when they were weak or not in a spot we can heal them at all and he’d get so mad. His positioning was so awful I had to put myself in a risky spot so he’d live. He got mad when I pulled him away when he was weak from a reaper shooting him from behind.

[@meeeeeedic]

Dev: continuing nerf damage of these hero that require aim and skill such as Cassidy , Illari and Sojourn .Funny thing is 225 Hanzo nerf without compensation. Also dev: buff damage of the braindead hero’s such as Moira , Zarya and Winston .Always get more kill and damage without brain.

[@aidenbrenneman2302]

I understand what your saying but hanzo did get compensation he can one shot a couple of the dive hero’s he previously had to worry about

[@devindavon6615]

I wouldn't call Winston braindead,though rn he doesn't explode from bad dives anymore.

[@diegocortes1842]

nice 5k on hanzo

[@otsu3011]

8:12 this

[@TheMaleficPrince]

Genji is only good because of the loyal players who still play him into a full comp to counter him. 🗣🗣🗣🗣 Im the loyal gengu

[@Mrashen70]

Also ashe needs Nerf bec of pocket of mercy

[@devindavon6615]

Just put 225 and call it a day,abuse the head hitbox and it should be fine.

[@MetatronsRevenge613]

2:53 why would I play Venture. They are cancer

[@ImPoStier]

Reaper would be the worst character in the game at 250

[@AbbyOW2]

275 will be fine then

[@ImPoStier]

@@AbbyOW2 yeah that will probably be fine

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

Hanzo is strong?! He literally has a one shot. You must be incredibly low ranked.