My Journey through Fate/Stay Night

[@LoungeAct_]

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[@nameless8789]

Next stop in the Fate Series should be Fate Zero which is a direct prequel to Fate Stay Night. It is also animated by UFOtable. Also I think it will resolve some of your issues with Kirei’s character as you get to see a breakdown of his character until he becomes the villain you know him to be in Fate Stay Night. Gilgamesh gets a more in depth look at his character in this series as well.

[@josuamattathil1036]

The main problem with the Fate series is probably the fact that the animes are pretty poor adaptations the majority of problems you present here are properly expanded upon and fleshed out in the visual novel

[@adrastos8401]

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet. Kinoku Nasu didn't just decide to make King Arthur a girl, it was originally Takeuchi's idea (Takeuchi is basically a cofounder/major artist of Fate works) Original Fate concept art/a ten minute animated sequences have King Arthur as a guy (btw said 10 minute commercial is also canon, Male King Arthur is running around Fate lore too)

[@willyvereb]

Well, Fate as a battle royale of legendary heroes for the Holy Grail including King Arthur was basically Nasu's story idea since at least highschool. When it came to making it a VN a lot of things had to be changed. FSN went through so many versions of the story it isn't even funny. For starters since they were expected to include porn the main protagonist became male. Somewhere midway Takeuchi indeed suggested genderbending Arthur. But the story also evolved considerably. The first plans for the VN involved a pretty overt harem including an entire gallery of female Servants along with other characters. Then it solidified further. Sakura's story probably changed the most, especially after they merged her route with Illya's. Originally her route was more of a classic story branch but detailing a different magus family and Shinji becoming bros with Shirou once more. You can... obviously see how many aspects of that changed. The whole mystery of the Greater Grail and such was meant for Illya's route.

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

The genderswap being done to avoid confusion to buyers of the VN as female protagonist with male lead on the box cover will give the impression that the VN is for female audiences, when they are targetting male audiences.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Did you consider just reading the visual novel?

[@miscsloan8834]

This lol

[@DeadApostleAncestor10]

Ummm......i dont got enough time to read visual novels 🤓

[@nelisezpasce]

Heh, if by that you mean asking a simp on discord to make a summary for him to narrate...

[@goone1331]

Reading is some quantum physics-based shit. No way one could understand it after he skipped school to vape and watch Tiktok in the bathroom

[@kodakazu8]

Do you plan on reading Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, the sequel to FSN? Unfortunately it's only a VN currently but it's a really fun experience that fleshes out the cast and world even more while answering some leftover questions.

[@Angras_advocate18]

27:17 “another one” 🤯downplaying the greatest duo since Kobe & shaq is brazy.

[@thinhvo3893]

UBW whole message wasn't just about rin. Rin is there to support him. It about acknowledging that shirou decision of being hero isn't wrong no matter how fuck up it is. It is the same message Fate route saber learned If you noticed UBW is just Inverse of fate route where instead of shirou saving saber, it is rin saving shirou. They even have Archer aka future shirou serve as rin servant. And rin took shirou out on a date to make him enjoy life just like Shirou did to saber in FSN 2006.

[@Angras_advocate18]

11:16 I swear why do Americans get hung up on the littlest shit. The H scenes in the VN aren’t canon & were only placed there as a way to gain traction after the garden of sinners was slept on. So after reading the VN it’s clear to see nasu only intended for them to do anything until after a lifetime spent by shirou searching for her in Avalon. After he becomes of age.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Pretty much all your critisism is due to not reading the visual novel and thats not an exaggeration. Literally none of the FSN routes in anime form are a valid substitute even ufotables. And it's fair to not be into visual novels or books not holding your attention, that's why alternative media is so important. But that's also why it's frustrating because in this way most people will never know what fate itself is so good, because they are locked out of it and the adaptions do not get across a lot of what the novels do

[@ewaldo1700]

calm down, no one is obligated to see alternative media to fill the gaps that an anime or other media left.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@ewaldo1700 no one is saying that they do. This isn't about reading a side book to get a story. This is like complaining about an adaption with tons of problems being taken as the actual story and not the source material which is a visual novel It's like saying Tokyo ghoul sucks only watching the anime while people tell you to read the manga cause it's legitimately great.

[@ewaldo1700]

You are missing the point. The first adaptation is really bad. The source material cant change that

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@ewaldo1700 the problem isn't saying the adaptions are bad. The problem is saying the series is bad while talking about a bad adaption

[@ewaldo1700]

@@MrInuhanyou123 he dont say that. are we seen the same video? he even enjoy the series

[@vonmalvarius]

It is false to claim that Fate 06 failure cancelled the other routes . Fate 06 was A SUCESSFUL anime. It never planned to addapt more than one route, but It was well received and they even animated UBW as a movie. All the great voice actors started with the anime (the VN was voiceless) Yes some hardcore fans noticed that the adaptation was lacking, but there was no generalized hate before UFOtable entered the picture.

[@isaacturner197]

At first I honestly didn't see where a lot of the difficulty with getting into the series comes from. Then I figured out it's from the friggin fan base. Way I see it, you watch things in the order they came out. The original Fate Stay/Night had 3 routes, so you go through and watch those 3 routes and move on from there. If your just watching the anime series and decide to skip the first animated series of Fate (Saber route) and start with Unlimited Blade Works, it doesn't really change anything. Whilst the anime doesn't go anywhere near as in depth as the original visual novel it doesn't do anything to spoil anything else, because there was nothing else to spoil at the time, and whilst Fate Zero did get released prior to the Heavens Feel trilogy. It doesn't really change anything. It's like a movie series. First Movie comes out and then a prequel movie comes out. Which do ye watch first? The original movie of course, you don't start with the prequel just because its earlier on the timeline, you start with the first movie because that's what the prequel is based off of and BUILDS off of. The second movie is made with the assumption that you have watched the first movie, and it will likely make references to things that either happened or where explained in the first movie. This also applies to Fate, whilst Fate Zero does a good job of explaining what the hell is happening, the original routes all explain it better. This same logic should have been applied to fate, but the fanbase is dedicated to trying to start things at either the earliest point on the timeline or the latest point in the time, or in same cases the middle point of the timeline

[@brotheris33]

You know how much I disagree with your 2006 take, I’m super happy you started there and not zero so you wouldn’t be spoil on the plot of all three routes.

[@jalenjohnson0339]

Honestly in my opinion I think the 2006 show wasn’t that bad at all I enjoyed it especially for a anime that came out back then. I got a friend of my to watch Fate with me and we enjoying the journey. We watched Fate route and we just finished watching Fate/Zero and now we started watching Unlimted Blade works. So yeah Fate a great series but yeah it’s insane with out many other fate series are out there.

[@connormccarthy6741]

Think with Gilgamesh is that it feels most of his expansions happens outside of Stay Night, like he’s a fun bastard of a villain in his introduction series, but it’s really in other material where he gets more spotlight on his character. For Kirei, while we learn about him being crooked in Fate, we don’t deep dive into his character until Heaven’s Feel, it’s here where we get his own inner thoughts, desires and self-reflections

[@rocketcat086]

I started fate when the deen stay night first aired so I luckily never had the where to start problem. But a simple man, I just Google release order if a IP is super large. Imo watching "chronologically" is more of a second watch kinda thing to pick up on nuances. Side note I hope the fate route gets a proper adaptation

[@RoninAlphaTFD]

It might have multiple timelines and many confusing parts but that's why i liked watching fate it has an unexpected and interesting endings you can't just choose 1 route but many as you want although i love the saber route but ye you can choose the route you wanted watch as long you follow the correct order of watching it.

[@Angras_advocate18]

1:10 again the misinformation😂🤦🏽‍♂️ either ur tweaking or you’ve been watching to much spoon feeding shonen. Cause did the definition of a prequel change while I looked away? Of fucking course the stay night trilogy spoils /zero that’s the point

[@luckyc4t110]

Fate fan here, the place to go from here is Fate/Zero, a prequel to Fate Stay Night, Case Files, a sequel to Fate/Zero, and Fate Apocrypha, which takes place in a different but related universe.

[@MrGaldor123]

Great video! I guess I am a Fate fan (have read the Visual Novel, watched a lot of the anime), and the obvious next thing to watch would be Fate/Zero. It's also by ufotable (2011 I believe, ~25 episodes), and tells the story of the Fourth Holy Grail War (the one 10 years ago). There is a lot of Kiritsugu, Kirei and Gilgamesh in here (and of course all the other characters). Though keep in mind that there are some small inconsistencies between the two works (Fate/Zero vs Fate/stay night) probably due to the different author (Fate/Zero was written by Gen Urobuchi).

[@jamiewass1960]

I thank you greatly for making this video. I've been wanting to watch fate for a long time, but like most people, i dont know where to start, and thanks to this video, i know what to do. Thank you

[@levikazama2323]

I have a few points to disagree with mostly with the way you blamed saber for thw fall of camalot. Its been a while since ive seen the fate anime but the fall of camalot was destined to happen. The earth wanted camalot gone Saber did her best to not save it but to soften the crash. not burn down so camalof was not sabers fault nor does she aceept she was at fault. She acepts she did the best she could in the sitation she was in and that it was not her mistake. Saber and shirou as best to describe 2 broken coins fhat fit perfectly when togethor rather they help each other grow as individuls. UBW as a fun show is fine but it lacks the truth of shirous charecter it dosenr show how broken he is as a person.

[@hades.serapis]

Maybe watch Fate/Zero next, cause it touches on some of the problems that Kirei’s character had in this show and also works as a prequel to Stay/Night

[@leandrabarros3582]

You should watch Fate Zero now! All the things you hated about Kirei and Gilgamesh are given a reason to be and Kiritsugus relationship with Ilya are much more developed, I think you would enjoy it

[@josecuestas7246]

One notable issue in Fate/Stay Night, is that the plot treats serious issues like the sexual assault, like an insignificance. I mean, in the case of Shinji, a notable scum known for be a molester, the protagonists only treats him like a simple idiot, than a despicable monster for his lecherous behavior. Like in UBW, in the part in that Rin was kidnapped and Shinji was showing his clear lecherous intentions toward her. Yet, Rin was simply considering Shinji like a "harmless person", despite to that he planned to assault her sexually. Adding in Heaven's Feels, in that Shinji was abusing sexually from Sakura, constantly, yet, when the protagonists learn about it, they only treated Shinji like a bully, than a monster, like if his actions weren't a big deal. 18:48 Adding that in UBW, when Saber was enslaved and kidnapped by Caster, the witch was showing pervert intentions toward Saber, to the point of forced her to wear a wedding dress. But when Shirou saw the situation of Saber, he didn't show a notable concern, as if the predicament of Saber wasn't a big deal, while he was more concerned only in his revenge in Archer. Being honest, the fact that the plot treats the sexual assault like if this wasn't a big deal, is one of the most notable flaws in the general plot of Fate/Stay Night.

[@matejmatuska6700]

no it isnt flaw if shirou jumped into caster at that moment he will die as for sakura shirou havent known of it at all so he couldnt do anything the bigest flaw is youre woke comments almost all shows and things completely disregard logic to only focus on something is bad I jump in fate stay night isnt like that maybe shirou in fate route will jump in to save saber at the cost of his life but this unlimited blade works one isnt that shalow to desregard whole messege of this route really I dont know why society cant grasp that what you dont know you cant fix and those things happen

[@Angras_advocate18]

24:39 yeah that’s wrong again about the villains in stay night being a monster of the week plot device. & real ones know there is no plot armor or power of friendship in /stay night thx to the bad ends

[@terimichelle747]

Haven’t tried it yet. Good to know.

[@matejmatuska6700]

if you got time please play visual novel

[@Angras_advocate18]

0:03 just wrong, the watch order is plain & simple /stay night VN trilogy, /hollow ataraxia & /zero. Then ur an expert on fate, son u need to stop watching that dolphin gigguk.

[@Angras_advocate18]

22:28 that was a lie too

[@Angras_advocate18]

0:34 again the watch order problem is only for anime onlys it’s not convoluted at all. Maybe if u actually dove into this franchise you’d know the visual novel makes it very clear that there is a 1,2 & 3. The fate route, ubw & heavens feel… simple math I’d say

[@burnttoaster7425]

Sakura best girl, she is and always was

[@Angras_advocate18]

16:28 underrated?… yo is this vid satire??… it’s gotta be, but in case this man is really gonna be preaching about story quality after that go check out my anime essay playlist. For confirmation on why it’s actually hot trash that doesn’t deserve its prestige.

[@Angras_advocate18]

8:40 ur missing so much of his characterization just read the source material already cause the misinfo is wild. Ur like a 15 year old crying about how u don’t understand the character nuance in lotr. Since “unsurprisingly most people do not wanna do that”(read) my type-moon video essay playlist is the perfect companion to spoon feed this seinen greatness to u. Shit that those imperfect anime’s with their self imposed tight ass run time can’t do.

[@Gunta-qi8lh]

26:57 Fate/Zero(which is Fate/Stay Night’s prequel) will fix that problem for you.

[@Angras_advocate18]

10:11 who said harems can’t make for compelling story’s clannad, rezero, mushoku tensei, & so much more

[@Gumshoe08]

I mean if you liked the Epic of Remnant then you could just play the mobile game. Epic of Remnant is just a filler Arc before the game enters the second part which Cosmos in the Lostbelt.

[@7deadlypins]

Don't know what you and up saying i am at the start of your video. I am hoping you say fate zero is the way to start. That's where I started and is 100% where to start. Deen is mega trash you are right.

[@Gilgamesh97C]

Of course you rin fan

[@HeroEmiya]

to be absoluuutely honest, its not hard to get into at all you start at zero or ubw that's it pretty much. everything else anyone says is useless filler information for newcomers

[@Blank-ui4uv]

You should watch oath under snow next. It gives another big puzzle piece for Shirou’s character and it makes him even more better and likeable.

[@greyworld6242]

Dude you got to watch fate zero! Trust me it’s good!

[@judyjudy2456]

WATCH FATE/ZERO BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT KIREI OR GIL

[@Angras_advocate18]

35:11 hot take of the century even the garden of sinners movies(which is fate related) that came out before /zero r better looking then modern anime including demon slayer with its cartoon ahh art style.

[@TohnoShiki17]

Garden sinner is in no way related to Fate just in the same universe although I suppose you already know that I always see you in other fate reaction videos and allat

[@Angras_advocate18]

@@TohnoShiki17 how is being in the same multiverse(not universe) not make them related, it’s all type-moon. there’s already garden of sinners characters in fgo & /extra & touko cameos in heavens feel so it’s all the same shit to me at this point. & yeah I spread the word of type-moon a lot I don’t actually watch them. I just watch the channels I’m subbed to & only as background noise when I workout or play my ps4 etc. Tho I do find it weird that u & plenty others have watched enough reactions & read enough comments to notice me like that. & that’s cause I only do this on type-moon vids god knows how much more y’all watch besides that🤔

[@SonicAlly45]

Watch the one with the femboy

[@adam-dn3hi]

22:17 ok so this is completly wrong but I dont blame you common misconception this is NOT archer's goal this is the lie he told them 1 archer is from a different timeline so changes in this timeline do nothing also as a heroic spirit even if he did go back in time into his own timeline nothing would change for him he is fully aware of this 2 facts and even rin mentions it no time paradox can change it 2 archer's actual goal here is to prevent a version of himself from repeating the same mistakes as him he just wants a world where he didnt do the same stupid mistakes even if the only way is to kill this other version of himself 3 he DOES NOT lose his memories that is another lie he told to rin

[@adam-dn3hi]

32:48 ok so no its not an all powerful being infact most servants in the war easily outclass it its the grail mud in physical form brought from sakura's subconscious as such it has conceptual advantage over heroic spirits in terms of power its about as strong as rin its the fact that its anti heroic spirits in nature that makes it seem powerful that and the fact the movies added new scenes for the shadow and saber alter to make them look stronger than they actually are

[@adam-dn3hi]

35:04 you should probably know that the results were not good yes the animation is great but there are several faults in making it a movie 1 of the main parts of this route was sidetracked and almost completly removed that is shirou and kirei dynamic it is the final battle in the VN and the most epic and important one its THE climax of the whole VN yet due to being movie trilogy it was sidetracked in favor of shirou and sakura relationship and while it was great all the build up across the entire VN for shirou and kirei final is thrown out the window its 1 of the main focuses and it was sidelined into a brief scene with kirei in a car and a short fight(the fight that the entire fandom was hyped about since it was 1 of the best one's in the VN) also the heracles vs saber alter fight that shit was EXTREMELY stupid the animation was great but there is no explanation as to how saber alter is suddenly more powerful than heracles(which she is not in the novel) nor why is his adaptation ability completly ignored as well as his own divine magical energy not being used to counter her mana bursts

[@FrenchDinosaur]

I keep seeing this pop up every time I look at the Heaven's Feel movies, and while I myself believe so too, I would not go as far as to say that it's unreasonable. The thing people always, and I mean ALWAYS, forget is that Nasu helped direct these movies. So if there are any changes, subtle or not, you best believe Nasu approved that and as much true to concept.

[@adam-dn3hi]

@@FrenchDinosaur ahm no he didnt Nasu has stated he ONLY watched the films and had no involvment in it What he had helped direct was UBW