MY MAGIC MOVE

[@PHZGTO12]

Love your content on KZbin and MSE TV. Would you say that the grip and setup fundamentals you did for the hogan code apply to this? Any specific differences? Just want to make sure I’m setting up for best results with this method. I know I tend to set up too close to the ball and I’m working on it. Also experimenting with ball positions. OTT is working good so far just trying to perfect it :)

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Yes, I follow Hogan's set up principles and foot positions. You'll have to dial in the specifics for you but it's a good guide. The only difference is the slight OTT in transition!

[@yooper9062]

@@MiracleSwingExperience I don't know if I see this as over the top? If you want to call it over the shoulder then sure. But you definitely aren't coming over the top like golfers who come over the top and slice it.

[@michaelpandich3735]

Christo - love this detail showing the difference in old swing vs new. Question: When you talk about the feeling of throwing a ball with your right arm at the golf ball, is the feeling that you are throwing it straight down on top of the golf ball or to the right side of the golf ball. I assume you are not thinking of the "trying to skip a rock across the water" move because that would be the shallowing move from the inside. Thanks in advance for your comments. I hope you took home all the skins today!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

It’s straight down from the top, however through the hit as the body begins to open it feels a tad to the side.

[@markrichards2309]

So I have watched all your OTT videos to date, went out cold turkey today and warmed up with figure eight swings…Birdied 5 of first 10 holes today, hit some loose shots but I am convinced this is the way to go…no more dropping under for me…thanks!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Are you kidding me? 😮 That’s so cool, man!

[@kourt2469]

What I've noticed is instead of your hips out racing your upper body which makes you get stuck under, the "over the top" feel has got your upper body and hips moving together in the downswing which gives you so much more space and clearance. I have the same issue at times and my feel isn't necessarily over the top but my feel is that my upper body chest and arms start the downswing instead of my hips turning to start, which really just syncs my lower and upper body back up

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Yes, I think that’s a good description.

[@johnsnider9151]

Went to a course I've only played a handful of times and 1st time this year. Was -3 thru 7 then 3 putted on 8 and chunked a chip on 9. Finished -1 on the front and +2 on the back. Hit the first 8 greens in regulation. Now if I could just get my short game in order it'd be great. Still so happy and thankful that you got me back to swinging how I used to. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING BUDDY!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

John, you’re a stick! That’s some great stuff man!!!

[@johnsnider9151]

@@MiracleSwingExperience thanks to you. Otherwise I'd still be trying to drop it under like we were all taught.

[@9ineToe]

Christo, keep up the great work! You're right, this swing looks much better with the new move and has so much more freedom. I think especially because of your flat backswing, the OTT seems like a far superior down move for you.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I was simply way to under!!!

[@ajstigersim]

I like that you create a shadow on your right forearm at the start of the downswing. Helps explain your move.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Cool. I didn't notice that.

[@miker5502]

Christo I'm now a believer! Went out to my back yard net this morning and gave the OTT swing a whirl. Felt great and decided to take it to the course in the afternoon and play a round with three of my friends. Firstly I could not believe how straight my shot pattern was No Big Misses and long..shot an effortless 80 which is 2 under my handicap. WOW! This really is the bomb. My friends who are decent players were spraying the ball all over( it was very windy), but I just kept hitting it down the fairways. THIS IS A GAME CHANGER. Thanks you for your excellent teaching. Cheers from Nova Scotia. Mike.

[@howardjahre1820]

Christo-is the new OTT swing a radical change from the Hogan Shangri-La move with the open clubface at the top and the supination of the left forearm and wrist on the downswing?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

No, it isn’t. I made the change very quickly!

[@TheIncomparableGolfer]

Mine as well 👍🏽 wrist hinge at top of swing helps create easy "whip power"

[@rocco4331]

Christo, the throwing the ball analogy is a tough one for me. I hit from the wrong side but am right handed. Any throws with my left resemble that of a child and there are days I fear my golf swing does as well. Any suggestions as to what I might want to try replicating?

[@marioloponte27]

Same issue here

[@mrsmartypants_1]

Huh. What made you guys choose to play as left-handers?

[@marioloponte27]

@@mrsmartypants_1 lmao it wasn’t a choice I have no coordination swinging right to left. Every sport. Hammer swings with Right and write right. I don’t get it

[@mrsmartypants_1]

@@marioloponte27 Interesting. So you’re ambidextrous or only golf left handed? I had a friend growing up who was 100% ambidextrous. He’d bowl left handed. Golf right handed. Shoot guns left handed. Play baseball both ways. Cut meat left handed etc… I asked him, “When you initially do something new, how do you decide to do it left-handed or right handed?” He said its not like he actually chooses. One is just “naturally apparent” from the get-go.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

That’s tricky. I’m keeping the pressure with my right hand more now b

[@steveking2144]

Are you pulling the club handle essentially away from the target at the top of the backswing instead of pulling it down?

[@florianredecsy4997]

09:48 and 09:50... For me the biggest difference to see is the clubface... On the new swing it is probably around 10-15⁰ more "closed" than on the old swing. In my opinion in a way better position now, hence you have to rotate the clubhead less or nearly nothing at all. It feels as if it is already square. I guess that's what the OTT feel does for you. Keep it up

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

You know, I meant to point that out and forgot. Great eye! Much less face rotation.

[@miker5502]

As a younger player I use to bomb my driver ..great distance and usually a little fade..then my playing partners ( who where better scoring golfers back then,kept harping on the fact that I was “coming over the top” and I believed I had to learn to come far more from the inside. Fought hooks and pushes for years..NOW YOU TELL ME I SHOULD COME OVER THE TOP! Golf will ( or can ) drive you insane. I'll now have to rethink this move as it might get me hitting more consistently and enjoying the game more. Thanks Christo, great videos from a long time subscriber and fan of your “ Swing Evolution “ . Mike.

[@johnleeman5992]

The last video watch it appears that your right knee and club are at impact together. So I gave been working on this. Yesterday I had two par three's that I hit 9 iron. One was 145, and I was long second one was 145 pin high into the wind. Before this work on the OTT the most I got of the 9 iron was 125.

[@paigowman]

Christo been watching your videos all year! Is your stance closed? Is your regular ball flight a draw? Can you play a cut?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Yes, my stance in closed. I follow Hogan’s foot placement. My natural shot is a draw but I worked on some cuts that day as well.

[@rogerjackson3227]

ott is the bomb, I was all over the pin today. missed 1st place by 1 stroke. My putting could use a good lesson. OTT is it, it works EVERY TIME you play.!!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

OTT is just gonna compress the ball every time!

[@rogerjackson3227]

@@MiracleSwingExperience it really does... It's like a huge secret that has been let out..... Just hope everyone who is struggling finds your vids..

[@amfohr]

This is not really OTT and yes it looks similar. What I see differently is that you control the right side more with your head position. You move your right shoulder out which is associated with OTT but since you control the right side the right shoulder moves more down than your old swing. As long as your right shoulder moves down you can not be OTT.

[@thomasfraser9072]

Yes his right shoulder is pull down by his hands doing a sudden karate chop at the transitional part of his down swing which immediately depresses his right sided scapula bringing his right shoulder down as it elevated his lead side scapula shoulder complex which automatically turn inward towards his spine to complete his great swing. At least this is how I do in. My right sided scapula glide inward towards my spine is the key to my magic miracle swing. Cheers😊👍🥂

[@howardjahre1820]

Understood.but the Hogan Shangrila move is below the plane and your new OTT is above the plane? Are you also opening the club face on the backswing and supinating on the downswing with this new move or are you playing with a flat left wrist throughout the swing?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I'm not rolling it open, but I did experiment with it this day and hit some pretty fades. I don't believe Hogan was under if you've seen my recent swing analysis on him.

[@Criscross292]

That’s actually a dramatic difference and you’ve definitely discovered something. I wish other Golf Instructors would at least consider your new method.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Thanks. It’s not new. It’s actually the oldest swing method from what I’ve found.

[@bernardsmith1230]

Kind of a Mike Malaska thing

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@bernardsmith1230 Malaska and McLean talk about it for sure. But, not many others!

[@bernardsmith1230]

@@MiracleSwingExperience it’s also easier to keep your hips back because of the counterbalance of the club going out earlier.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@bernardsmith1230 This is a MAJOR reason this is helping me!!! Bravo.

[@Murf1802]

Nice job on comparison , take a look at your clearing of the trail hip/ leg, and much straighter, Much better pivot! You know I always say Golf's a game of centermeters, and I can see a hugh difference in back swing and transition! Great job, keep it up , no worries about the negative Nellie's! Pay no attention,

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Right on, Kevin. Tiny differences make a big impact on where that ball goes!

[@rusty1043]

Christo - I think it would be beneficial if you filmed from the standard DTL angle, not from where the ball is. I think along the toe line is standard, or where the hands hang. Its important to see that angle to understand hand depth and where in club is. When the camera is in line with the ball, its hard to see.

[@haywirehayes]

Seems like all his videos are from these unconventional angles, which makes it harder for us to judge whether his OTT method is any different from other theories… hmm

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@haywirehayes I’m tricking you! 😉

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I’ll try that next time out.

[@howiedunbar61]

Your hip turn at the top going back looks dramatically bigger with the OTT swing. Is it the camera angle?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Not sure but I'm actively trying to turn as much as I can.

[@prouddaddyglenpool4926]

Do you have a closed stance just For the driver or all clubs?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Yes for driver. Open with my wedges and short irons. I follow Hogan's foot placement. You can find it online.

[@matthewyonkman5692]

Do you have oversized grips?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I play a JumboMax on my driver. I going to rep them soon with a new code!

[@Spongerob0]

You have to cover Bruce Lietzke. The dude was ott and never had to practice. Legend!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

He’s the golfer that started this for me! I’ve shown him many times but I need to do a whole video on him!

[@Kibby96793]

Christo, the swing is looking tight!!! I have an observation… your lead shoulder appears to stay in a vertical relationship to your lead knee, and the trail shoulder knee relationship is the same. I’m sorry if you’ve already made mentioned of this, but I don’t recall. Can’t help but think this could be a key component to your effortless, connected and balanced swing. I’m certainly going to experiment with this.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Thats a great observation, Brian. My lead shoulder feels like it stays down a bit longer on the downswing.

[@Kibby96793]

@@MiracleSwingExperience just got back for a range session. I really focused on some of this vertical alignment with my shoulders staying over my knees, and I’ve never felt so connected. No more moving my lower body, upper body, and arms /hands separately; and hoping they all time back up together at impact.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@Kibby96793 that is awesome Brian!

[@scott21784]

how far is your drive with this swing?

[@UKDELLY]

Really interesting at 10:03, that the tee in the former swing is going left, and the tee in the OTT is going at target or a little right of target (aka, perfect). Wouldn't it be ironic if the former, drop it under swing encouraged an outside the line move halfway down into the downswing? Really like the OTT - looks really free

[@cantgetrite2011]

I love the Ben Hogan art work behind you.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Thanks! I did that with a sharpie.

[@francophillips2156]

Would love to make your mse intensive. Ever coming to seattle area Christo?

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I don't have any connections in Seattle. I'm from Tampa so I go home during the summer for a family reunion.

[@GlennPenaDriver]

What about coming to Oahu, Hawaii? Also what’s your grip position, neutral or strong grip?

[@truthlifefishing1730]

Your left leg is also straighter. There must be more VELOCITY in the steeper downward OTT swing when the head pulls around at the bottom of the J curve. More G Force ripping around the corner compared to the flatter around the back swing.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

That’s a great description of what I feel for sure. I hit another 350 drive yesterday! 💣

[@charminglad124]

You may think you are over the top, but a few points, your takeaway is quite flat (at hip high the club butt is pointed just outside the ball) At the top your first move is your hands come out from your body (not your shoulders) but the swing plane is still quite flat.. very nice

[@russellburnam3552]

Is your angle of attack + or -?

[@banditbaker1675]

Christo, could I make a suggestion that you call the new move the "Over the shoulder" move rather than "OTT"? Looking at your new swing the move at the top is that the club is coming "Over the Shoulder" rather than what most of us understand as the dreaded "Over the Top" move where the shoulder itself comes "over the top". Just a suggestion, keep up the great work👍

[@truthlifefishing1730]

It is too late.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

That’s a good description but I used terminology that my coach and many others use and I’ve already published an instructional video and dozens of KZbin videos with this name.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@truthlifefishing1730 Yep, it’s named.

[@banditbaker1675]

@@MiracleSwingExperience No problem, it was only a suggestion, perhaps for future clarification Have a good day

[@banditbaker1675]

@@truthlifefishing1730 No problem, it was only a suggestion

[@Reebdoog77]

You know, watching what you're finding in this swing I think some of it is kind of like Mike Malaska's "tipping the club out" move. You don't really "tip" it as early as he shows in drills, but it is a leveraging that I see through the hitting zone here. good stuff.

[@Reebdoog77]

also, saw a video pop into my twitter feed early of another guy you'd like to "examine" for over the top. Shane Lowry (unless you already have). Exactly what you're talking about. :)

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

@@Reebdoog77 Yes, Lowry. Great swing! I haven’t featured him yet!

[@edwardalvarez2024]

What song is that in the intro?

[@MrAbrazor]

When I began golfing I asked the teacher « what are the muscles involved in the swing ? » as I wanted to gain time and wanted to train them and curiously he couldn’t answer my question precisely,I was ready to spend a hard time in practicing in my life …

[@francophillips2156]

If Mike Austin had been your teacher, he would have jumped at that question and given you exactly what you asked for.

[@amarug]

I honestly don't see anything over the top (apart from the figure 8 practice part), even in slowish-mo. I just see a really good looking, in-to-out, indeed Hogan style swing. Over the top swings make me gag, like viscerally, and I didn't feel any of that here. 😅 I guess, like with many non pro Golf-tubers, you just discovered a "feeling" (in this case over the top) that helps your particular swing to get into a good impact, even if the resulting swing doesn't exhibit much of what the feeling aims to do. Criticisms said, I absolutely love your swing! EDIT: at 7:30 ish at the freeze frake you can actually see the paradox, the old swing is over the top (because you got stuck, as you said yourself), the new swing is in a beautiful and perfect shallow position, exactly like every text book wants you to be. There is no escaping physics, just differences in human perception. As I said, I don't want to discredit your work, you have an awesome swing and your ideas probably help many people! And speaking of physics, what did you try to say with centrifugal vs centripetal force? They are the exact same force, just formulated in different reference frames (credit: PhD in engineering).

[@robynhopkyns6150]

It would be interesting to me if you could give info of who of your skins peeps go ott? and when? some must watch your channel and sooner or later will try it.

[@robynhopkyns6150]

this video comparison really resonates. nice one

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

One of the guys asked me about it today. Those guys are all pretty good and way past tinkering with their swings.

[@josephsaraceno2734]

Hit a bucket of balls today after watching a couple of your video's, I was compressing the ball better.

[@jumperg1]

It looks to me like your plane is under than on plane with the new swing

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

It sure doesn't feel that way.

[@Criscross292]

Tried OTT but just can’t make it work. I’m probably doing something wrong. Anyways… glad at least you’re thinking outside the box. It’s good for Golf.

[@swish1onu]

That shaft flex as you pull it over your shoulder reminds me of Brooks... maybe even a little Mickelson-ish... the people who say they cant tell the difference are people who dont know that subtle differences can feel completely different

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Yes, the way the force is moving through my arms and the club is a way different feeling!

[@nic2098]

Just wondering are you allowed to teach golf or did you have to get some kind of a liscence keep workin hard

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

In 2018 I asked the General Manager at my club what he required in order for me to teach at Eaton Canyon. His reply was "students". He watched me teach several MSE Intensives and says I'm one of the best teachers he's ever met.

[@212beatz]

Hey man! You should play in the Saudi league! Show em kids the OTT move!

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

That’s some good comedy!!!

[@steveking2144]

You look like the weight on your feet is way towards the balls of your feel... I think it should be more to the heels as Hogan said. What if you try your over the top but keep your weight towards the heels and have more forward bend (compared to many pros it looks like you're way more upright with your upper body).

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I’ve always had it in my heels and I’m transferring heel to heel.

[@steveking2144]

Is this over the top move more like what Mike Auston was talking about???

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

People have told me that.

[@mikekantor9322]

Block or hook

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Pretty much two choices 😂

[@Alex-jm6fk]

Your club is much shallower during the downswing on the right

[@billygraham5589]

“Spaghetti arms” never word for me either. “Just turn, it’s that simple, that’s the secret” they kept telling me. Hooey.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

For me now it’s just hit down on it!

[@mr8966]

Objectively, that is not an over-the-top swing. It is, however, a terrific swing. Nicely done.

[@alanedhegard6720]

I’m a former PGA certified teaching professional, 30 years of golf analyst and teaching, studying, practicing. I’m not seeing the “over the top” aspect you are talking about. You have an excellent swing, (really excellent) but you are coming into the slot perfectly well which over the top cannot do. Your right forearm is dropping down and to your hip as you properly turn to the hitting position with your right lateral side. With respect I disagree with your description but I highly compliment your turn, your retention of the lag, your finish. All excellent but again, not an over the top swing.

[@NA_Hemi]

Isn't coming over the top a shoulder position ? Your old swing looks more like you are coming over the top more than your new swing.

[@SpitSharp]

If it’s good enough for you it’s good enough for me.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Now, on to the game between the ears!

[@Blingem14]

Calling this over the top is beyond misleading you’re still dropping the club into plane. Your old swing is just too flat during the backswing. In your old swing you’re just getting your hips too far ahead. In your new swing you’re going to start to develop a snap hook very soon. You’re losing a lot of posture on the downswing and bringing your hips into the ball. There’s nothing miracle about what you’re doing. It’s what everyone is already teaching besides the faults you’ve created.

[@tigerwoodcourt]

Cool. New MSE TV video content. I'll go check it out.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Right on my brother! Working on some great stuff from the Intensive, too, Jon!

[@dj.culture6590]

Christo, I'll be honest, I'm a bit confused! I am just trying to get my head around how things work in America... Are you a teaching pro? I'm assuming you are because you have instructional vids and you have your name on your bag... You also mention your clubhead speed (129mph), your drives (350 yd), and all at 5 feet 6" 150lbs... So, I can only assume you are a Pro of some sorts! You must be aware that you are arguably pound for pound a better striker of the golf ball than 98% of all touring PGA professional men - ever.. Incredible achievement... But, what's the story Christo... your not playing tournaments and I guess I am just curious why you don't. If I drove my driver 350 plus and had a golfing KZbin channel - I'd be playing tournaments... Why is it you don't? I am not dissing you or wishing to upset you... Just wanted to ask some questions... Jack.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I'm a golf instructor and a good player, but I'm not at the level to play professional golf. I play with several pros and I can keep up on my best days but day in and day out they are in another league. I am very, very long for my size and age. Not many people hit it past me.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

u get more behind the ball,,,,,,yur left shoulder is back more ,,,and u have a good "dead "right hand to keep club/hands back

[@Robert-ts2ef]

I have to agree with the others that your new swing looks the same as the old one.

[@billionjaybirds1906]

An inch is a mile.

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

Well said.

[@davidterrie7661]

Your left arm is not pinned to your chest now.

[@mikekantor9322]

That's what I was doing

[@MiracleSwingExperience]

I'm hearing that a lot lately! LOL

[@partlysunny5402]

I'm over the top and I can't hit the ball solidly to save my life.

[@vektacular]

You’re actually coming over the top from the inside….ok I see

[@mikev4755]

That is not an over-the-top swing.

[@williamwest1611]

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[@IraShoff]

You're on drugs, right??