MyEnergi Zappi Electric Vehicle Charge Point Installation

[@artisanelectrics]

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[@artisanelectrics]

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[@timbarnard9742]

Jordan great vid , do you need to do a zappi installers course before being able to fit them. Thanks Tim

[@thebusinessman9173]

Hi, did you by chance drill though the DPC there @ 25:00. What would be the minimum depth expected to lay armoured cable. Some say it should be at least 1ft down.

[@jafuk]

I wish I had you as my installer. I had a right cowboy. Blew out a brick being too heavy handed: cracked another brick;. Broke two drills due to overheating when drilling an earthing rod. Drilled my charger to the wall in situ causing the internals to be full of brick dust, and finally, pinned the cable to plasterboard without using wall plugs. Apart from that perfect. :). Thanks for sharing

[@artisanelectrics]

Ah sorry to hear that! You get what you pay for i'm afraid, we are expensive but good!

[@Tom-Lahaye]

The Zappi got some really clever functions. I love the solar charge option, and I understood from another video from the MyEnergy channel that with the Harvi its possible to monitor the amount of energy generated by your solar panels as well by fitting CT clips on the cables coming from the inverter. As a result it's possible to see how much current is going in or out the grid, into the car and from the solar panels, and then the usage of other consumers in the house can be seen as a result. In the future they will offer a switch box to make other consumers in the house like a washing machine or tumble dryer intelligent, they are switched on when there is a surplus of solar energy. This can be a great advantage when having a smart meter which monitors consumption and feedback from or into the grid, in the near future in the Netherlands consumption from the grid will cost 3 times as much as you get payed for feedback, and this may apply to other countries as well. So worth using as much as possible of your own generated power directly. Also a big advantage is the built in type A DCR.

[@keithknight9017]

From one electrician to another.. Good job! Great video, very thorough

[@MrTibbs90]

From what I've seen of your videos being across the pond, the Zappi is a really cool and intelligent charger.

[@djb774]

These KZbin sparks are all musical! Jordan plays the guitar, John ward plays the organ and Bundy plays the flexible conduit

[@adamsharp201]

R u an electrician

[@Bin216]

That CT Clamp cable: might be a good idea to use a cable tie around the cable in the harvi box to provide some strain relief in case it gets pulled.

[@artisanelectrics]

Good idea!

[@myphotos]

Or tie a knot in the cable

[@davidramsay6142]

Great video. Very well described performance and functionality with the install process. What I really like is that as a DIYer I can prepare for an electrical installation of an EV charger in the future by getting suitable cable under my floors from the consumer unit to an outside location. This way I do not need to have SWA screwed to my outside walls. This video confirms the capacity rating and prep work ahead of an installer coming in.

[@jmohammad3762]

Good video. Enjoyed the start to finish job including wiring. Well done mate keeping me busy watching your KZbin videos whilst on lockdown.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! 😁

[@michaellecky6438]

Excellent vid Jordan . To good in fact as it will make non electricians think they can get away with installing them themselves. Shame about the extra holes in the wall but sometimes it can’t be helped.

[@CarFinanceSimplified]

This was really interesting. Do you not need the armoured to be 18” under the path with yellow warning tape above? For some reason I though you did but good to see I’m wrong as I need to go under a similar path for my own install. Great video!

[@bertrossi4653]

By far the best channel for electricians keep the good work up 👍

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! 😁

[@andychara1631]

really good video Jordan. well explained, from start to finish and showing how to wire everything up as well. 10/10 mate.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@stevejagger8602]

The Storm SWA glands are very similar in design to Pro Term SWA glands which I first saw and liked at a trade show around 2010. As a result I gave up on the brass SWA because the Pro Term were so easy to fit and did a much better job of connecting the armour and sealing around the outer sheath. I retired just before EV charging really started in earnest. Always something new to learn. Keep up the good work.

[@Banjoba]

The zappi made a victory fanfare sound from final fantasy. Cool.

[@Shavenuw129]

I wish I knew what all that meant! Lovely neat installation. 👌

[@yacinehachani9754]

Beautiful job Jordi, thank you for the video

[@wizard3z868]

being from the usa one thing i love is your armoured cable system seems a little pain in the ass with the glands but so much stronger than our direct burial pvc polymer coated cables

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah it’s a pain to work with but you get used to it.

[@jamescameron5472]

The direct burial cable was a bear to strip, but easy to bury and not so unwieldy as SWA . On the other hand the BX cables I found were weird

[@timw1971]

You certainly got a lot done in one day! Great job and very neat.

[@zakovbbronchi5393]

Great work .. thank you .. I need to do Ev charging course .. I can’t certify .. thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@Sam.147]

Love your videos. What size cable have you used to supply the charging unit?

[@Albrecht8000]

52:37 You hear: Zappy is now happy! :-) Greetings from germany

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@arniewheeler4673]

just purchased the slicer, old school as always used the hacksaw, was taught that way.

[@jasonantigua6825]

Very professional! I really enjoy your uploads even though I know absolutely nothing about electrics.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@jasonantigua6825]

Artisan Electrics You’re welcome mate.

[@hoboman1206]

so interesting in the UK there are so many brands of Ev chargers. I'm a sparky in North America and we mostly install the tesla wall connectors or a nema 14-50 outlet and the adaptor from tesla.

[@rattlehead85]

Really enjoy your videos mate... Good to see your ev stuff is going well 👍🏻👍🏻

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! 😁

[@heffo1992]

Why do you use the percussion drill for the drilling the brick? Would you not use the SDS all the time surely it's quicker?

[@Adam-vy6nl]

Luke Heffernan because getting the SDS out the van takes longer than using what he used

[@melike1984]

Great video, lots of these will be going into homes in the next few years, good to see how its done,

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@patdbean]

56:10 why dose the zappi not just have WiFi and connect directly to the internet itself ? Why do you need an extra box?

[@busman2000]

HI there I just looked at the section below the KZbin video, You are a veritable Father Christmas, with all the offers. I guess most are generically generated. As I can't take advantage of the lb50 electricity discount as I'm way down in the Nether regions of the planet Christchurch New Zealand.

[@MJB9559]

Nice job...did you forget the backplate from the Zappi that you've fitted on other videos ?

[@munafmufc01]

Your a pro technician. Always inspiring. I've always wanted to be a sparky but never had the opportunity but watching your vlogs always inspires me to start from level 1 even though I'm 48 years old 😜. Do you think it's too late for me? Please advise, would appreciate your feedback. Thanks

[@artisanelectrics]

You can do it!

[@AndrewSmith-wh3lo]

I love watching your videos and always learn plenty by watching them. I wanted to ask a question though about the supply cable. Would you consider using a 2 core SWA with blue and brown conductors? If you go into a plastic CU you can add a link to the earth bar as a continuation of the armourings rather than a bonding conductor. If you go into a metal CU, the link could be omitted as the metal body of the CU would finish the link to the earth bar. By using at 2 core cable you would be using the steel armourings to form a very large CSA conductor for fault current. I know you will have considered this option. Is there a reason why you don't use two core which would avoid the parallel paths you get when you have an earth conductor and and earth link from the gland? Keep up the good work.

[@muzikman2008]

Great stuff Jordan...nice job :-) those Zappi's have stolen the market, makes things much simpler.

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah they are great

[@TheHonkytonky88]

Wow i laughed so hard when Zappi made that tune :P And I can tell you that it is the music from the game Final Fantasy VII after you won a battle :P

[@terenceoconnor1584]

Excellent video very detailed thank you

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@Spark101.]

Check the buss bar underneath mate. Those two types of wylex MCB ‘do not’ line up along the bottom. They are a few mm out! I done an EICR the other day. Had a mixture of NSB and NHX MCB’s, buss bar was bent to make it fit!

[@artisanelectrics]

Hi! Thanks for the tip!

[@ishkebab]

The new wylex mcb’s are not compatible with the old consumer units , at least that was the advice I received from wylex when I enquired before.

[@stevemcgowan3017]

So what make u recommend for outdoor caravan mains socket need charging AND PLUG MY GASLESS WELDER IN SOMETIMES.CHARGING JUST FOR CAMPERVAN LIFEPO4 BATTERY 105AH .

[@ryanmilne1987]

Great video!! I have a couple of questions, 1) why have you went onto the non rcd way? I'm assuming there is a reason? I know the have a 6ma rcd inside the charger there self, 2) have you done a video on setting up the charger and Harvey and Eddie? 3) whats this back plate that someone said you might have forgotten?

[@artisanelectrics]

Hi! Thanks for watching. 1. The cable doesn’t need RCD protection as it’s armoured and clipped direct. If I put it on an RCD it would have to be a type B RCD as it’s upstream from the Type A RCD with 6mA DC protection that’s built in to the Zappi. 2. I’ve not done a video on this maybe I should... 3. The back plate is just to protect the tethered cable from being scratched against the wall. It clips on to the top of the Zappi and is held on by a couple of screws at the back.

[@LS-qq5zh]

The silica packs that have come with new shoes, the charging point etc would probably help a little with the moisture in your toolbox.

[@jasonantigua6825]

Good point! I was thinking one of those little dehumidifiers?

[@paulf2529]

Top tip, you can buy large silica gel packs very cheaply on ebay / Amazon. I have these in my tool cases, particularly useful for precision stuff that often gets damp like my spectra laser level. The other thing is to keep a bit of scouring pad in the box and some wd40, a quick rub will get any surface rust off and the wd40 will give a bit of protection.

[@markscott2893]

Maybe I’ve missed something but is there a mitigating factor that enables you connect a new circuit into the combustible enclosure?

[@richardwallace3477]

I think you’ll find that the torque for the main Isolator screws are greater than 2.3Nm -probably 3 or 3.5 Nm. I’m always reluctant to touch the buss bar with my fingers (I’ll use my long nose pliers) even if I’ve proven dead.

[@artisanelectrics]

Good call!

[@mark90229]

Nice job a bit ott with all the safety gear to drop them little holes though

[@Hawkinsian]

37:43 "I hate the ocean, said the sailor" :-)

[@B60901]

Great as always . Loving these longer more in detail videos. I can't wait to fit 1 of these especially as they do away with rods. How long did you wait to become an approved installer for my energi after sending in paperwork?

[@artisanelectrics]

David thanks! Yeah it took a while but glad I did it.

[@markgilder9990]

David I like these full length vids, shows it how it really is in the real world.

[@Paul_D.]

Thanks for the vdeo. With regards to the depth of the cable just under the slab, does that comply with regs?

[@Geordie_Peter]

HI, Did you issue the customer with a Part P completion certificate to satisfy Building control?

[@richardsheppard5881]

Hi what size armoured cable did you use ? Thanks

[@graham5649]

Hi great video as ever. My garage supply has a 50A supply fed from a Type B 30mA rcbo could that be used? Love the look of this unit especially with the wireless ct's

[@irisdischler140]

Really nice video 🙏🏽

[@gouldrw]

Hi Jordan, Zappi say that with their load management you dont have to notify the DNO, however the OLEV forms asks for evidence that the DNO has been notified, I'd appreciate your view?

[@rogertorressabate1804]

Great video! Really helpful! I am wondering though, is the PEN fault detection necessary for indoors garages? According to BS7681 section 722 is just for outdoors, am I wrong?? Thanks!

[@spike9692001]

Nice video, I would of used metal cleats on the SWA-Regulation 521.10. 202 I know it seems OTT for the position of the cable, but I was previously picked up on an NICEIC inspection for using plastic cleats in a similar situation to your install

[@wescarter2921]

Great video, just one thing though the 100a sticker on the main cut out is not necessarily the size of the fuse fitted, it could be an 80a fuse less.

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah in that case you would have to ask the DNO what it is I guess

[@AffordablePC1]

We are pivoting towards EV and Solar, how many hours does the job take on a billing question?

[@arthurperez7278]

Hi, brilliant video, can I ask what size of armoured cable di you use

[@philipgoss8319]

excellent informative video , do you need to put a notice on CU to say new colours used ?

[@lewisowens1884]

Cracking job !! Any chance you can come to Witney, Oxon - need new / upgraded consumer unit, (you’ll see why !!) main isolator & meter box and zappi fitted?

[@craigjohnstone1643]

I understand that EV chargers (like the Zappi) require to be connected Type A (or Type B) RCD or RCBO at the consumer unit. It was my understanding that this Type A RCBO (or RCD) requires to be double pole. Could you please confirm that this is correct? Did you connect the new MCB for EV to the existing Double Pole RCD?

[@foxglovemead]

Why didn’t you install the backplate? If the gland is too big, how will it make a good earth connection to the SWA?

[@ivandiamond4640]

Hi there, my garage does not have existing power and 40m from my house... Question: Is there any issues with splitting the the garage incoming supply between the Zappi charger (obviously not greater than the main supply 32A MCB)... Would welcome any advice as I would prefer to run on one main cable not two in my scenario.. Would welcome any advice from the Artisan Guru... thanks Ivan

[@peterwalker4029]

Well done mate, nice and neat 👍🏻

[@MaraxYTube]

Would 5x6mm cable be enough for 22kw? Or would i need 5x10mm cable? (3 phase) Thanks

[@stuartelborn8531]

How does the Hub connect to the Zappi? I'm thinking of installing on a garage which is separate to the house and quite a way from the router. Worried that if it connects over WIFI that the signal might be too weak.

[@MrAdamk1981]

a Question Jordan , on your water pipe bond are you aiming to earth the incoming pipe from the street ? the reason i ask is it looks like the section of pipe earthed in the video is joined by a non conductive compression (shark bite in australia ) fittings . I am in oz and our rules are different in some fairly massive ways so i am genuinely interested , also loving the ev charging stuff have done some tesla chargers but that's about it .

[@gjwestonable]

Great video that Zappi V2 seems much less of a faff than the Tesla charger.

[@PartTimeRonin]

52:36 Some engineer at MyEnergi is a big fan of Final Fantasy games XD

[@Oli_Hudson]

19:00 - Does it matter if you've drilled through the DPC? Cheers

[@artisanelectrics]

Good question but I didn’t drill through the DPC but drilled under it.

[@artisanelectrics]

Not sure if it would matter anyway

[@zjzozn]

Probably damaged the internal cavity DPC. May not cause problems for a few years and if ground is dry 🤔

[@ianmarsh_uk]

If you were to run a single cable to a garage consumer unit to run an EV, a power circuit and a lighting circuit, what size armoured cable and MCB would you use?

[@artisanelectrics]

Probably a 16mm 3 core on a 50A MCB

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

*stops routing the armoured into the board to clean up the messy board* nice. I'm sure whoever is in there next will appreciate it.

[@brad30]

Where did you purchase the Zappi V2 from? Isn't there like a 6 week wait for them?

[@marceloness]

I wonder the same :/

[@mickbitchum4664]

You can get them next day from certain places

[@artisanelectrics]

I have a secret supplier! 😉

[@brad30]

@@artisanelectrics ha! Can you buy direct from myenergi when your a approved installer?

[@fjspicer1]

@Artisan Electrics I also spotted that when you drill through the wall from inside the cupboard with the consumer unit in it you also appear to have drilled through the damp proof course and you didn't answer Chris B's comment either when he passed comment about that you conveniently ignored it. If I had done that I would have ensured that I blew all of the Loose dust out of the hole before I passed the armoured cable through and then after inserting the armoured cable I would have pumped the hole full of clear silicone in order to try and restore the integrity of the DPC otherwise it's quite likely that you could end up getting Rising Damp in the wall . At least it is something that you should be more aware of on your next install

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks well spotted! You’re probably right.

[@michaelnaylor2299]

Hi, I have been watching your channel for a while with great interest, and it reminds me not to fiddle with wires! I have been quote for a Zappi and they are proposing to use Hi-Tuff cable. You seem to use SWA for your installs. Is Hi-Tuff ok? I am a little concerned because the cable can’t be hidden and passes in front of our back doorstep and might be vunerable. Should I ask for SWA? Thanks.

[@gap9992]

I am in the process of trying to have a a charger installed by BP Pulse. It's included with the car I am buying otherwise I would never be using BP Pulse based on the experience so far. Many online forms to fill in and the questions keep coming, including ones that I have already answered! Just to save them sending out someone to do a survey! Anyway I am not going to trust them to run the supply cable and will get my local Spark to do it neatly rather than easily! Is 10mm 3 core SWA off a 32A or 40A MCB on the non-RCD side of the main CU what he should be running? I have asked BP Pulse but no reply !!

[@B60901]

Up in Scotland we were told by SELECT & NICEIC that we should be fitting SPDs for EV points due to the value of the equipment especially with car plugged in. How do you get round not Installing them. Are you doing risk assessments & passing responsibility onto client.

[@artisanelectrics]

Interesting, thanks for the info. Down here nobody has told me that yet, but I guess it makes sense. Just makes an expensive job even more expensive tho! I’ve only been told they need to be fitted when doing consumer unit changes, which we do fit SPDs as standard now.

[@andrewlui3722]

Hi Jordan, What size is your armoured cable. Regards

[@gouldrw]

Great video. I'm installing my first EV charger next week which happens to be a Zappi v2 with a Harvi. I have lots of external corners to go around so thinking I'd use Hi- Tuff but would this mean I's have to use an RCBO at the board instead? However how might I get around discrimination issues? Nothing's simple! Richard, Colchester

[@jinxymcjinxface6133]

Hi Jordan good vid, I take it the Harvi talks to the Zappi, if there could be an issue with wifi and you wire the ct clamp would you run that along side the supply to the zappi or in its own conduit or is there a supply cable with it in ? Cheers

[@johnnygallagher3457]

If the meter box was out the front can you install the Zappi from the MCB in the meter box or must you feed it from the 63amp main breaker in the consumer unit? I ask as I have a meter box out the front of my house and I am curious. The electrician has quoted me a fortune when it seems easy to install. Thanks.

[@artisanelectrics]

Sometimes its possible to install a mini consumer unit in the meter box and run from there, but it doesn't make much difference to the price usually.

[@suhailwajid5040]

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[@timpayne7676]

Hi Artisan. Brilliant video as usual. Am I right in thinking that the cables etc cost about £60 on top of the Zappi charger?

[@artisanelectrics]

Tim Payne this one is tethered so the cable is included in the price. If you have just a socket you need to get a cable but most cars supply a cable with the car.

[@paulreynolds1510]

Hi what size armoured cable are using and would you still recommend zappi as a EV charging system

[@AffordablePC1]

Very good video mate...

[@terrymeade1930]

I'm interested in the part where you talk about not having to inform the dno about the 60A main fuse with this charger. You said that it has the ability to restrict the current used so it doesn't go over 60A but what about the rest of the current being used inside the house. Does it have the ability to detect the current being used inside the house and adjust for that? Thank you and great video as always

[@artisanelectrics]

Yes it reads the total load on the whole house and ramps down the charger if it gets close to 60amps or whatever you set it to as max

[@terrymeade1930]

So what is the charging times like when it reduces the current it can charge with?

[@ggbalze06]

That ff7 beep from the zappi!

[@artisanelectrics]

😂

[@busman2000]

By the way what are the basic Kilowatt charges for power in the area you work in..?

[@davidbaker7292]

The happy noise is the victory sound after a battle in a game called final fantasy 7.

[@artisanelectrics]

Cool!

[@mkinili2527]

Have you just damaged the DPC? I thought you weren’t suppose to damage damp proof ?

[@Richardincancale]

9:33 Speeded-up drill sounds just like a dentists drill - arghhh!

[@artisanelectrics]

😂

[@pyrounlimited7035]

If you ever need another good pair of ferule crimps buy the knipex 97 53 09 ones if have one at work and one privete the go up to 16mm2 and are front crimping pliers.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks I will check them out!

[@elektrikeren5049]

Hi Jordan. Tanks for the video. Keep em up.💪🏻 Btw. Do you play the guitar, or is it justfor show?🤔 Regards from Denmark.🇩🇰

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! Yes I play sometimes but not often as I’m too busy making KZbin videos!

[@gordonpeate9936]

first class work A1

[@derekharrison1110]

Had a Zappi installed yesterday including the myenergie hub. I presumed I could now observe on the app how much solar energy my solar panels were generating. I could not. I know the fitter used one CT clamp, however from what I am reading now I need another CT clamp? Would this addition sort it out or do I also need the Harvi? If I do nothing else will my solar panels be contributing to my charge or not as I cannot see physically if they are. Wish my fitter had explained this but he seemed to know little about the hub. Thanks!

[@artisanelectrics]

That's a shame, yes he should have installed two CT's, one for the grid input which goes on the main tails from the meter and one for the solar input which goes on the feed in from the solar panels. Seem's like your installer didn't have much experience installing these. I would ask him to come back and fit the additional CT. The Harvi is just a wireless communication device which enables you to connect CT's to the Zappi without running a hard wired data cable from the Zappi to the CT. Your installer can do either a hard wired connection from the zappi to the two CT's using the provided cables or a CAT5e data cable, or they can install the Harvi and run the CT cables to that. Hope this helps.

[@derekharrison1110]

Artisan Electrics Thanks for that. I will get back to the company on Monday. Although I haven’t the readings can I presume the solar panels are still contributing to the power when charging my EV??

[@artisanelectrics]

Yes they will be but the point of the Zappi is to be able to charge the car purely off solar electricity if you want to.

[@derekharrison1110]

Artisan Electrics Thanks for that, some good news anyway. I agree with you though, that’s the reason I chose a Zappi. Disappointed with a national fitting company that others recommended. Hope they respond well & next time send a experienced electrician like you. Thanks so much for all your help & time, really appreciated & I will continue to watch your excellent videos.

[@1bigsyd]

Every time I watch your videos it cost me bloody money lol...armeg magnetic screwdrivers orderd..armeg hole saw orderd... do I have something similar already..yes... do I need these new tools...no... are you still going to order them... yes lol

[@jameshunt163]

So is this the only unit that complies with the amendment then? Because of the new tech they have.

[@leebutterworth7465]

James Hunt the Zappi was ahead of the game

[@jameshunt163]

Lee Butterworth yeah they definitely were. Fair play to them. They must have noticed a future problem or got a crafty heads up of the change.

[@leebutterworth7465]

@@jameshunt163 it was plain as daylight in the Wiring regulations most installations would never comply using everyone else's equipment, once you do the course you see that only the Zappi would work thats before the amendment

[@jameshunt163]

Lee Butterworth lucky it was plain as daylight then aye, so everyone else has some catching up to do as they must of missed it. The course is something I could justify as I won’t be going g down that road. But I’m still Interested.

[@fernandez571]

Great videos. In the Zappi installation manual it says use a 32amp mcb. Is there any reason why you use a 40amp? Thanks.

[@artisanelectrics]

Really? I need to double check that.

[@fernandez571]

Artisan Electrics yes page 29 of the manual. I’m looking to do my first install soon and your videos have been a good help. I’m looking to install a 3 phase 22kw at a place of work. The limitation with the Zappi in this instance is that the harvi CT’s provided do not fit around the 95mm tails (the industrial unit has a 200 amp 3 phase supply). Have you done any more industrial charger installs?

[@-Atmos1]

Would you choose the Tesla power wall instead ?

[@themilmaker3827]

Get some silica gel and dot them around ya tool boxes/van. Stops the rust.

[@themilmaker3827]

Order the sachets on Amazon.

[@colincrooky]

Hi, thank you for video. What determined the location of the Zappi? I assume all EV cars have different charge point positions and some people reverse into garages and if you cannot be bothered to put the car away can the lead reach? While my brain is on - what about the lead going outside and closing the garage door? Could a transfer adapter be fitted into the wall? I’d better stop now otherwise you’ll be charging me and I can’t afford it. Thank you.