Mystical Love & Sufi Women

[@mahmoodabuidrees7661]

Her saying about worship for hell or heaven is inspired from imam Ali who said " worship out of fear of hell is a worship of the slave, if I worship you in want for heaven this is a worship of a merchant, but the true worship is out of love" I'm paraphrasing

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

There is no act of “ worship “ Only act of Love ❤️

[@barbarossa1087]

Do you have a source brother

[@safanamakhdoomable]

It is like so: if I worship Allah out of fear, worship of a slave. If I worship in hope for reward, it is the worship of a merchant. If I worship out of love, it is the worship of a child. And if I worship you, because you are deserving of worship, it is the worship of a free man.

[@kucingcat8687]

@@aemiliadelroba4022 in Sufism, worship is needed in love, since in Sufism, the "Beloved" is GOD HIMSELF, and Islam's entire religion is about absolute worship of GOD

[@aftabahmad8658]

@@kucingcat8687 exactly!

[@joanjett24]

In Morocco there is still a saying that translates to "who do tou think I am? Rabia El Adawiya?" Like when you say in english I'm no saint Theresa. "The neighbor then the house" is also a saying that is still used in popular culture.

[@meriameoujamaa3497]

That's interesting. I'm Moroccan and I never heard of these sayings before (But I'm bad at sayings and proverbs in general to be honest..)

[@chakir348]

@@meriameoujamaa3497 im moroccan too and i heard those phrases lot of times .

[@imanf1700]

@@meriameoujamaa3497 same here! but im glad to hear of them

[@fatimairfan3189]

Your Chanel had bought me immense knowledge and pleasure I am a follower of Rumi and hope to see more videos about his whirling dervishes and their music

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Great collaborating with you Filip - It's wonderful to share space with such great content. Your channel is such an asset to youtube and I'm proud to have worked together!

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Likewise! I'm glad we were able to do this and that we're building a little community here.

[@piperar2014]

Emphasis on figures at the margins of canonical doctrine, you say? You sunofabich, I'm in.

[@aqsamaryambee]

Interesting Except that in Sufism, Ishq isn’t a sexual union or of an erotic nature, it’s a love that consumes you such that you lose personal identity as an individual and become a mirror image of the Beloved The first lesson or ‘sabaq’ of Mystic traditions is to cleanse the Qalb of Shehwaniat or carnal desires So ishq e Ilahi basically corresponds to Fana Fillah which essentially means destroying self for Allah or to give up self as an individual in favour of the God

[@trihermawan9553]

So in a nutshell, Buddhism but for Allah?

[@aqsamaryambee]

@@trihermawan9553 there’s an unpopular theory that Buddhism may be a lost form of ancient Islam. Buddha could very well have been some Prophet who is not mentioned in the Quran but his teachings might have gone through changes over time. I don’t know, I’m not a theologian, but I heard this mentioned in one of the discussions about Truth in a class once

[@daddyleon]

@@aqsamaryambee I can see why it's unpopular, yeah. For one...it was created after Islam was. Not to mention the teachings don't really line up.

[@zelenplav1701]

"Unself yourself" Rumi. "In the dying, you are born to eternal life" St Francis of Assisi" When you let go of your EGO, seperation, the veil of ignorance is dropped, the door opens to wonders. Who wants to come back here after that experience? .

[@ha7403]

Very true! But missing a few points regarding the problems of the time we are in. There are 3 types of people who try to attain this makam of Fana Fillah; 1. The sincere people with clean hearts that attain this position. This will only happen by firstly applying Shari’ah and only then you can start this journey. (E.g people like ‘Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi’ very famous. He actually said ‘ان الحق’ out of the divine spiritual events and at that time people didnt understand him and they killed him) 2. This group of people try to apply the same methods as people like Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi and try to attain that divine position and give themselves up for Allah. May Allah forgive their sins but because they are sincere they might be forgiven and enter Jannah 3. This group of people are completely out of order, they tend to say ‘Shari’ah isnt for us, its for the ‘Awam’ (which is the general population). They say we can shake hands with women, we dont need to pray 5 times a day. We are chosen and this eventually leads to shirk and they pass away free from Islam. As a conclusion this isnt a position to be wished for. In fact the ‘Murshid-i Kamil’s’ like Imami Rabbani have attained these positions but because they’re murshids they come back down to our makams and interact with the general population. So in a nutshell this type of physical dhikr is forbidden only the discrete dhikr which is done with the heart is permissible in todays world we live in. Please contact me @Notjune Bee!!! I would like to discuss some matters with you.

[@TonyTones123]

Its very interesting hearing about how Sufis view the ego and love of God (7:30). Within Orthodox Christianity a very similar mindset of disregarding the ego and pouring oneself out completely for love of neighbor and God. St. Joseph the Hesychast says that " Active love without submission cannot exist. How can you love and serve if you don't submit to the others will? Every movement of active love is service."

[@mesuper240]

A major misconception specially in the west regarding the topic of "Ishq" or "Love" in Sufism is the failure to understand that this "Ishq" for God isn't sexual or erotic, rather such ideas will be seen as sin. The "Ishq" for God ie "Ishq-e Haqeeqi" transcends the western idea of love. It's more like the love we feel for our parents but much intense , much pure ..soo strong that you'll like to be lost in it forever with no regards to your own existence (Fanaa).

[@lilwayne2671]

So like Bhakti?

[@alishujaat8150]

​@lilwayne2671 Yes, you can also use the word Bhakti! Allah al mighty has mentioned in the Quran that: Surah An-Nahl (16:36) "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid Taghut (false deities).' And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So travel through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers." Keeping this belief, it compels us to speculate that their were definitely Prophets sent towards the Hindu nation and alot of nations may have gone astray in their later generations. And when it comes to Mysticism, that's when we start seeing the same pattern of love of God as one being coming into play.

[@toxictric5ter155]

youre basically describing what worship is

[@niccolopaganini1782]

Western idea of love isn't limited to just s3xual or 3rotic kind. 😅

[@Bent-El-Nil]

Wonderful effort. As a Sufi and and Arabic reader who studied with passionate this area, time, masters, I commend your knowledge and objective way of sharing your knowledge...thanks for spreading love and light through your channel...

[@nurulmaru]

Can you give me information about your Tariqa? I'm from Brazil, trying to learn more. Thank you.

[@iyadal-najjar3512]

Please let me comment on this great video. I went to many Suffies places and listened to their breaching for many years on top of that I am addicted to Sufi poetry. The 1st thing I want to explain is about Rabia and burning the heavens and putting out the hell. Well, this should be understood within the fourth mystic states where you love God for the sake of loving not fear or reward. These quotes are nothing more than rhetoric and poems (not sure if I used the correct word) and we understand that she or other Sufis did not mean to literary burn the heaven because of their quotes (not poems) in other books. Also, you can find this idea in many later Sufi books. ____________________ I believe the word erotic came from the translator, not the poems themselves. As an Arabic who is addicted to poems, I have never considered any love word to do anything with sex. I mean, they can be used for both chastite love or erotic love. I went back to different dictionaries to make sure I am correct and found the same thing. The word ishq can be used for both types of love. translating it into erotic love is wrong and I am 100% that the great figures and pillars of Sufism never meant it as erotic. ___________________ Finally, Sufis do not consider their relationship with God as wives or husbands rather they explain it in these terms because of two reasons. The 1st no language has the correct vocabulary to explain the mystic state they are in even Arabic with its 30+ words for love with different states and levels for it. The other reason is to make it easier for common people to understand their feeling since the most known and perfect love relationship we have is with our partners so using this concept the Sufis try to explain their mystic state to commoners.

[@aishayusuf9819]

So true

[@saidamarzia9021]

I am compleately agree with you.

[@saidamarzia9021]

Iyad Al -Najjar Can i communicate with you by any means?Would like to have a discussion on sufism.

[@theoldesttrees]

Thank you for this explanation. From what little I know of the Arabic language, it seems to me that it is all poetry in its form and expression. Very intriguing that there are 30 words for this complex state of being we in English name so inadequately. I recall reading a book "The Four Loves" many years ago and finding this quite thought provoking. Any book recommendations in English would be much appreciated!

[@rabbil1434]

I stumbled upon your channel randomly and I must say your channel is amazing. Great and accurate detail about the topic, good pronunciation, and feeding my hunger for curiosity amazingly.

[@IfLifeIsALeaf]

I love what I know of Rabi'a. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but one of my first awareness of her was in a work by Idrias Shah, where she is quoted as saying "What is all this talk of knocking and opening? The door has never been closed."

[@ElleBelle2303]

These women are an inspiration for all women

[@abrarahmadraza2813]

Not one thing you quoted amounts to sexual intimacy, the intimacy, the "ishq" that is talked about is, the love so intense that you want nothing in return not even paradise, don't correlate things, when there is no similarity.

[@enterthevoidIi]

Love for what?

[@nllove7937]

Self, oneness, all.

[@abrarahmadraza2813]

@@enterthevoidIi unconditional love for the creator.

[@agnesinfrance]

Than batch him teach us and explain more with some books for helping us to undestand we are seekers and I’m really curious about SUFFI Path Bien à vous

[@glade6076]

Exactly what I was thinking. Mispronounced and gone way of course from understanding Sufism to the extent. I'm sure Rabia Busri was married but her husband passed away. She never married again as far as I know.

[@monxun]

Hello from Dr. Sledge's channel! Blessed to have found you folk.

[@UniversoulLady]

The resonating content mixed with the unintentional ASMR. This video gets 5 stars from me... ✨🙏

[@funda313]

Love with god is actually mentioned in Quran itself that Momineen love god the most. In surah baqrah. Also "visal" is term used to denot union with almighty or peer but is not sexual at all. Also never is God referred to or implied as a hidden women. God is consider dominant in love just like husband is. Amma Rabia Bassari is one of the Great saints 'may god Grant her jannat' but she isnt the one to identify love as the relationship between God and ppl.Quran o Hadees are Filled with its references.

[@KANASU-BARZ]

Peace. Your channel is hands down my favorite on KZbin. since I discovered it a few weeks ago, I have been listening to/watching your videos “religiously” (pun intended). Would you ever consider doing a video about the great Sufi master and Islamic scholar Cheikh Ibrahim Niass (Baye Niass) from Sénégal and the tariqa tijaniyya movement that he became the carrier and reviver of? This would, in my opinion, shed much needed light on the living knowledge of islam and Sufism in west Africa. Many thanks for your amazing work and insights.

[@THOREAU79]

Using "erotic" and "sexuality" ( the way it is used in the western world) in intetperting Sufi litleture is highly misleading, Particularly when you translate Ishq as "erotic " there are thousands of times that this word has been used where it has nothing to do with humanity, let alone sexuality- e.g. 5th section- poem 165 of Musnavi Mulawi (Rumi) دور گردونها ز موج عشق دان گر نبودی عشق بفسردی جهان کی جمادی محو گشتی در نبات کی فدای روح گشتی نامیات Here Mulavi ( Rumi) says without ishq( what you translate "erotism" ) motion of universe will cease to exist...

[@felreizmeshinca7459]

Yes, this and also sufism is a wide branch which cannot be simplified by equating Ibn al-'Arabi's interpretation of Islam with Rabiatul Adawiyah's. While we as Muslims see Ibn al-'Arabi as kuffar (according to famous scholars), we do not view Rabi'atul as the same. The other mistranslation is the eroticism part.

[@enterthevoidIi]

But it can be literally understood as sex here because without sex the world would indeed stop.

[@THOREAU79]

@@enterthevoidIi In Islamic tradition it is well-understood fact that every particle in the WORLDS are obeying God's Will( physical laws of Worlds) and they do it with impetuous "Love" and Passion . " every particle in the universe is in deep Love and adoration of Allah...." Quran Al-Isr #44. One can mention the same sentiment ,countless times, in Sufi and other Islamic sources regarding human beings.

[@dilnawaz4167]

exactly

[@lukehall8151]

@@enterthevoidIi The fact that you think that human extinction is identical with the cessation of motion in the universe indicates that you conflate the world with humanity. Further, this itself indicates that you are excessively confident about the powers of human beings. I find this ironic, because the thrust of your comment is that human beings aren't special. Who needs to get over themselves?

[@sanamgovari3512]

Thanks!

[@mariayounus8832]

So happy to have found this channel! Filip you deserve a standing ovation for starting this channel and all the effort you put in this. A follow up video on Ishq-e-Majazi and Ishq-e-Haqeeqi please?

[@huzaifahali412]

@ Maria Khan Ishq e majazi, as it suggest by its name is nothing but persian debauchery inculcated into public through poetry, daastaan and lores. From here, under its impression from Persian it became a common term to speak to in Urdu (Delhi Sultanat). How things gell, crystallise and germinate is evident from Valentines Day. Even Christians did not like it anywhere but slowly and secretly it has been made current and something acceptable to masses. Even more conspicuous example is of Halloween 🎃 💀 🤣 🤪 😂, a pagan idea creeping fast into our culture as well after conquerring West. Want to know more on Ishq-e-majaazi? Tu bhi graduate hai, main bhi graduate Ilmi mubaahise main zara paas aake leyt. A sarcastic review by Akbar Allaahbadi.

[@ziaulhaque4462]

Can we be friends

[@moby786]

When sufis say Ishq, I don’t believe they say it in a sexual or erotic way. The word may sound that way though. But anyone who understands the intricacies of Sufi poetry will know this. Well done on your research though. Very commendable. Well done.

[@pakistancastofficial]

Started listening to your channel a few days back and I am hooked. Love (and am amazed by) the depth and justice you do to a topic. On this particular topic, I do feel that the western understanding of 'Ishq' has missed the mark quite a lot. It can be easy to confuse because (as you mentioned) English has only one word for love whereas Arabic has many, which point to different levels of intensity, purpose, intimacy, etc.. Ishq is actually characterized as two, Ishq-e-Haqeeqi (for God alone) and Ishq-e-Majazi (the one for your spouse). While Ishq-e-Majazi is an intense level and desire for sexual/erotic intimacy is part of it (as it is one of human needs), the intimacy in case of Ishq-e-Haqeeqi has nothing to do with erotic/sexual goals. This confusion is probably in part because most western philosophy and mysticism borrows a lot from Greek myths where gods would take different forms and get erotically/sexually intimate with humans (similarly in Hinduism as you mentioned). In Islam, while sexual desires are recognized as one of human needs that need to be fulfilled, it probably can be put in terms of the lowest level of love (not the highest!) as people fulfil this desire with each other even when there is no love. Sexual desires come from 'Nafs' and it is the main teachings of Islam and Sufism to overcome and control Nafs, not to pursue its desire for different pleasures. The case in Ishq-e-Haqeeqi is to achieve intimacy (as in deep closeness) and feel the love for God, love for God's creation (their pain, etc.), while diminishing selfish pursuits. Another way to differentiate Ishq from other forms of love is to realize that it is often used in the context of Pain, i.e. in the case when there is a deep desire to get close to someone (not necessarily sexually) but it is difficult because of distance, societal constraints, etc. In the case of Ishq-e-Haqeeqi that would represent desperation, heart ache, and worry of what acts of kindness and selfishness can one do to earn God's approval and closeness! God's love for creation (with words related to hubb, mehboob, etc.) is mentioned in the Quran itself so it shouldn't be surprising thing to come up in Sufism, though it might have been talked more formally and with emphasis only in later time. From Islamic teachings perspective, the life of Aisha would be considered more noble in the eyes of Allah as Islam forbids completely withdrawing from earthly/human life and duties and encourages men and women to marry, have children, participate and play a role in the society.

[@aishayusuf9819]

U Beautifully told the truth! 👍

[@chendaforest]

Thank you for this interesting post.

[@pakistancastofficial]

Thank you. All Praise to Allah for enabling me

[@00Meowmeow]

It intrigues me how those who are drawn to the arts e.g. dance, writings, drawing/painting often flocked to Sufism. Maybe it's the understanding of someone who creates in a way themselves that makes them aware of the love their Lord has for them. But I find that to be a very interesting part of Sufism.

[@raymondfranklin348]

Great video! I am really enjoying the academic nature of this channel; it helps "temper" the Heartfulness of Sufi Practice with ilm (knowledge).

[@whatamievendoing]

There's a distinction between love of creation and love of God, these are different kinds of love. Love of creation, which can manifest as love of another woman or man, is viewed as inferior and is called Ishq-e Majāzi. Love of God on the other hand is called Ishq-e Haqīqi which literally translates to "the real love", this kind of love is viewed as authentic and transcendent. While the metaphor of lust is used to illustrate the more authentic love of God, this authentic love isn't sexual in nature.

[@mouhamedseck6996]

A wonderful woman that the world of Sufism will never forget. May God be pleased with her !

[@Consoneer]

Instant sub. Excellent content. Will binge watch.

[@zachattack7300]

Ishq I believe is suppose to be unconditional love which has incomprehensible intensity. Closest example I guess is love of a child and mother. Innocent love without any worldly desire. When there is no separation. This is What I understood I could be wrong. Great video and I do agree with all you have said even your explanations because a lot of people don’t seem to get what you are saying and are high on criticism.

[@corvus_king3282]

Brings back good memories when I was researching the Mysticism and Love of Julian of Norwich and Rumi for my senior paper in university. I putted a bit from Rabi'a and other Sufi masters.

[@phoebelim4941]

dude!! that's so cool! i'm writing my MA diss right now "Rabi'a Al-'Adawiyya and Julian of Norwich in conversation on divine love: a (feminist) study in comparative mysticism" it's due in 2 weeks and i'm crying but yay friends!

[@imanf1700]

@@phoebelim4941 that sounds amazing

[@mikenogozones]

Another good episode, I can't wait until international travel normalizes again I still want to visit so many places connected to religion

[@LetsTalkReligion]

I'm there with you!

[@anasibndawood6696]

Like where ?

[@mikenogozones]

@@anasibndawood6696 Amritsar, India; Jerusalem and Srinagar in Kashmir for starters

[@karimharraz793]

@@mikenogozones you gotta see old islamic Cairo (Fustat) and the many Coptic shrines of Egypt.

[@hamoodhabibiOTMI]

what religon?

[@Nomad_Wanderer]

Love has no religion no belief system no boundaries it knows only the beloved!

[@michaelfuchs7417]

How do you get to know the Beloved without religion? Religion is the boat you need to get to the shore of God. God bless you!

[@chehrazadeesmey8399]

This is the second time i "see" ( the first time i read it, the author said that homosexuality was not taboe for Muslims, especially amongst mystics (!!!) and quoted a poem Rumi wrote to his master !!!) the second time i said, that the "description" of mystic love by sufi is understood as " sexual" love. This is a biiiiiiig mistake.

[@Lallateapourer]

Amazing video !

[@tactlacker]

It’s heartbreaking to read so many commenters’ limiting notions of the scope of eroticism (Desire for inter-Union). It seems to be the result of narrowed perspective on behalf of the viewers, rather than semantic error on behalf of the content creator. Thanks for the video, sir!

[@ahditah8102]

I don't agree with the sexual parts of what you said

[@ayurvedajournals9434]

Thanks for all these videos! You are doing wonderful work....

[@palianshow]

this was great! would love to hear more about women on your channel. regards,

[@xenium535]

Mysticism means love. Love means mysticism. Love beyond all barriers..

[@apolinary29]

mumbo jumbo

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

aHadeeth Hadith reader be gone you Devil

[@sairahgonzalez]

binge watching your entire channel 🤍

[@draome]

Amazing Cannt wait to watch it all. You are great ❤️🙏🏽

[@Barbarossa19]

Phillip, could you suggest reliable translations of various Sufi authors you have presented in this and other videos. I find the popular paraphrases such as those by Coleman Barks to be sanitized for popular consumption. I'm looking for a more rigorous treatment of the texts although not necessarily annotated for academic study. Thank you for your work I am very grateful. Cheers, BR

[@eskimobscure]

Erkan Turkmen on Rumi’s massnavi!

[@fatemehafzal5663]

Thank you so much for the video, I enjoyed it and appreciate you talking about a woman who lived almost two centuries after prophet Mohammad. In those times, it was dark time for being a women, but she was such a great, selfless suffi lived in Naishapoor in Iran , about 4 centuries before Jalaledin Mohamamad Rumi. I am wounding if you her through Arabia. ? As you mentioned Hassan Bassei whom was living in Egypt at the time , came to Iran to visit her and wanted to marry her, but she refused. Her unique way of being a real suffi, years after her come to Bayazid ,Hallaj Eb-Arabi ,and Rumi. I know her through history of suffisem, in Persia. She was a great women. Thank you for bringing her to your wounderfull video. Please pardon me because of my poor English.

[@jacksoncoleman-burke2630]

Rabia of Basra ran a brothel of Divine Love on the Silk Road; when a solicitor came to her place, all she would do is talk about Divine Love and most, if not all, were totally captivated by her presence. Even then she was way up on the spiritual ladder to her Real Self; so much so she took on the persona of a woman named Hazrat Babajan of Poona, India. She became one of the five Perfect Masters of the age. Her life is worth looking into.

[@yosoyale7719]

Very interesting. Could you share sources?

[@hashimbokhamseen7877]

many mistake *ishq as an erotic/sexual type of love but in fact it is the act of loving somthing unconditionally and desperately such as being blinded by it. I believe it's misstranslated such as "sexuall love" because in poetry it is coincidentally used for the poet's romantic love of someone unconditionally, desperately, and finally in a sexuall manner.

[@bikrajsaigtm3720]

Love your explanation, but I disagree the point you explain love as sexual and erotic. In Hinduism this pure and higest form of love towards god is known as 'madhura bhakti' The love of Radha and Gopika's of brindavan and Meera, towards krishana is example of this pure love. It is not good to degrade divinity to human level.

[@lil-bot542]

Thank you so much for your wonderful work 🥰 I keep telling folks about this channel and the great collabs going down with ya’ll 🙏

[@Lxcis]

The Sufis come from the time of the prophet (SAW), Tasawaf is the core of Islam, the idea that separates it from Islam is orientalists and imperial literature. It's the same with orientalists translations, they talk about things in a sexual way but in their actual languages they're talking about divine and cosmic love of God, the essence of all existence. The teachings are all from Muhammad (SAW), the Sufis are people who can see and know how to manifest it. You shouldn't sexualise someone who transcended sexuality itself.

[@SyedMuktasid]

I don't think their expression of love and desire for God is sexual in any way. I think that's a misunderstanding. Anybody who practices Tasawwuf can attest that one of the things it does to you is alleviate you of carnal desires. So to say it's sexual in any way is very strange, even if it's metaphoric.

[@fire.smok3]

Rabi’a al-Adawiya was one of the first Muslim saints I learned of. I liked her a lot. This is the first time I hear about Aisha al-Ba’uniyah, very interesting woman

[@ramzilabban2392]

im an arab and there is no sexual indication in any of the sufi writings,,,,whats with the obsession with sex & sexuality?

[@ramzilabban2392]

@khan what a stupid racist remark you have just noted....

[@ramzilabban2392]

@khan you assumed something I never said ..you should review the way you view things

[@ramzilabban2392]

@khan as you like

[@3alaiyer]

@khan He pointed out he was Arab because a person that knows a language as a native speaker knows way more than most foreign speakers, foreigners learn from native speakers. Why do you keep commenting negative and very annoying things?

[@3alaiyer]

@khan The Sufi writings is another argument, stick to the topic. Good to know you’re an Indian Arab, point is there’s nothing wrong with pointing out that you’re an Arabic speaker just like you did now.

[@AskForTruth]

I am discovering more and more of your your wonderful videos on sufism. This was very interesting.

[@LetsCookWithRozina]

Salam, hi. I just discovered your channel, and I am so happy about it. Thanks for amazing and very interesting topics in your channel.

[@wonderwen]

thank you so much, that was fascinating about Rabia and Ayesha❤

[@marisaortizavila]

Amazing work! Thank you so much for sharing!

[@ziaulhaque4462]

Can we be friends

[@hayyanmintgreen8561]

Astagfirullah.... rabia knows that Allah, is beyond having gender and is beyond all human limitations... She loves God... as His Lord...

[@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800]

... no she didn't , Yu are the one saying that... Not Rabbiya. When she says " muhabib" , my lover, she obviously isn't talking human love , and the errotic poetry that IS POPULAR in Islamic poetry , that is not referring to sex in the human meaning... But in a Divine way... Which obviously is above that.

[@richardwestwood8212]

@@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800 I see you everywhere on this channel, amazing 🦊🦄✨🎄🎉

[@arb5901]

you completely missed the mark lol

[@3alaiyer]

@@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800 If you know the Arabic language, you would know ‘muhabbib’ doesn’t mean my lover, rather it means the ones that makes one love the other, or brings love between people. Muhabbab on the other hand means ‘dear to,’ there are no sexual connotations in these words.

[@enterthevoidIi]

If God is beyond gender why it's always referred to with 'he' but never 'she' or 'it' or any other pronoun?

[@fardiorin9133]

I think sometimes somehow erotic love is the ultimate symbolism of love that many people can think of and relate to, so that's not very surprising if it's used as a metaphor of burning love for God. It's not all too different from Song of Songs of Christian tradition that's full of erotic love depictions but they're just metaphors of the love that God has for humanity.

[@yaraammar6326]

I loved that video and thanks for sharing a topic that usually isn't given much attention. Also could you please give the name of Aisha Al-Banuiyaa's quoted poem "I see no one but my love"

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Thank you! :) Usually, these poems don't have names necessarily. Check the article by Emil Homerin that I list in the description, the poem is there. Homerin has also published a translation of her most famous collection of poetry.

[@yaraammar6326]

@@LetsTalkReligion Thank you for responding :) I'll definitely check it out

[@huzaifahali412]

Choice is yours but if you show any regard to me I advise you to not to hanker after such addled things. They, Suffis, were deviant and impostors and used flamboyant slogans and poverty to catch public attention first, then impress upon them with their fake and imperious piety and ultimately to corrupt and saturate their naive and simple minds with their cryptic, uncanny and heretical ideas. You may proceed as you intend and wish to but there will, for sure, come a day that my words will start rocking your mind. Allaah Haafiz, wassalaam.

[@kam70111]

@@huzaifahali412 Go, take a leap.

[@ARHanif-ej7oz]

@@huzaifahali412 Congratulations, you're a god. Now, will you throw Hasan al-Basra, Rabia, Junayd, Ibn Taymiyah, and also Ahmed Sirhindi to hell?

[@shadabasiddiqui5909]

No offence but I think you got it all wrong, Sufism talks about love never in its physical manifestation which sometimes is pleasure, The unconditional & unwavering stage of love & stillness is what sages spoke of.

[@Alephkilo]

Agree

[@FF-ch9nr]

I read the graphic novel “Habibi” by Craig Thompson a few years back, and I thought the ending line seemed familiar

[@user-hcrljfm]

In African history and myths women are greatly recognised

[@andyforsythe2565]

Another great video. Two great contemporary Sufi women were Irina Tweedie and Doris Lessing🙏

[@drcoco2k]

Intimacy & Sensuality can be used for Ibadah & Dhikr.

[@scratneednutsia1923]

Good video... but, Concept “Love” not started with Rabia, but in Qoran itself, for exapl. “... God will bring a people whom He loves and who loves Him,...“ 5/54 (yuhibbuhum-yuhibbunahu)… and there is many hadith about love of god, or people that god loves.. In Old Turkish Sufi traditions Arabic word “Ishq” ( in Turkish “Aşk” [Ashk]) is connected with Turkish word “Işık” (Ashak, means Light), “Aşk” = ”Love of Light”, or “love of divine”, or “love of God”. In old turkish poetry word Aşk is used to describe only ”love to divine”. It was not sexcual. in centuries word Aşk shift its meaning to “Love for woman" (or man)…

[@forensicfaithinprofiling]

I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation. I can agree with the Sufi that I am in love with maybe what some call God, I call truth. Morality. Ethics. That is the most fulfilling love one can have for themselves, and for all Humanity. For all life. All sentient beings.

[@nadia-i1l5h]

Revisited this one today because my Beloved called for it

[@stevenpacheco7793]

Absolutely fascinating. Have you come across Any parallels to or influence from Taoism here. What I mean is that creation can be seen as the result of the union between two opposites, Yin (female) and Yang (male), becoming one, and thus engaged in the divine act of creation.

[@Jazzgriot]

I loved this, just what is needed at this point in history. Masha'Allah akhi.

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting

[@chaironotokovisual]

I'm so glad to find videos like this. I was so lied too by my madrasas.

[@aggersoul23]

"To love is to know & you cannot love what you do not know. Know & love yourself first to know & love god." Or something like that, idk I'm not that high on love rn.

[@adamtyson3962]

Sa'diyya Shaikh has an excellent monograph on Ibn 'Arabi and gender... Not only did he study under famous Sufi women, but did you know most of his successors (khalifas to whom he gave ijaza that is) were women?

[@baronesselsavonfreytag-lor1134]

I thought I loved Sufi poets but only knew half the story and a new world just opened for me, thank you so much!!! The quote you featured sounds like a foundational belief of Sikhs, who say there are many heavens and hells but we want to dwell in the realm of Truth forever. Rabi'a may have influenced Guru Nanak indirectly... "If I adore You out of fear of Hell, burn me in Hell! If I adore you out of desire for Paradise, Lock me out of Paradise. But if I adore you for Yourself alone, Do not deny to me Your eternal beauty."

[@interestinglife5994]

And rabai saying is inspire from Imam Ali a.s. saying

[@eskimobscure]

Sikhism is infusion of Sufi and islam including Hinduism and Buddhism. It was born during the time when conflict was arising between mainstream t religions. Guru Nanak absorbed the essence of all these religions , specially Islam

[@baronesselsavonfreytag-lor1134]

@@eskimobscure Yes. Baba Farid is in the Guru Granth Sahib and Nanak's best friends were a Muslim and an "untouchable". There are Hindu references for cultural context because Guru Nanak had been a brahmin before his revelation, but he rejected Hinduism as unjust. He basically was saying that all of the Hindu pantheon, if they were to exist, are subjects of the Creator. Also that man made religion is merely a vehicle for faith ("There is no Hindu or Muslim") and it's faith that matters.

[@louisalinton]

This is such a great video. Thank you for sharing your work with us. Impressive, to say the least :)

[@kohyarnaderi5928]

This was very interesting, sheikh Nadwei also wrote a book on female Islamic scholars.

[@pukaman2000]

I made a trip to Russia years ago and was talking to a beautiful woman at the airport. At the end she said that she was Sofa (Sufi?). I just looked at her with a blank stare due to ignorance of not knowing what this was. She said that a lot of would hate her because of this. Great video. Thank you.

[@ЁсяКоган]

Nope, she was Sofia which is Greek that was basis for Orthodox Christians in Russia

[@AbdulRahim-hf6gc]

Give me one reference where love expressed by these Sufi women/men is defined as sexual love

[@LetsTalkReligion]

I think the better word to use is "Erotic", which include, but doesn't exclusively refer to, sexuality as well. Primarily, the sexual metaphor is in the language of "uniting" with one's beloved, which is widely used by Sufis of different backgrounds. I did give some references in the video in which this language is used. As another example, Ibn Arabi writes in his Fusus al-Hikam about the spiritual aspects of sex, how "the best way to experience God is through a woman" and that the sexual uniting of two lovers functions as a metaphor or mirroring of the "union" or intimacy of worshiper and God.

[@AbdulRahim-hf6gc]

@@LetsTalkReligion 99 beautiful names of Allah are his attributes, one of it is Suboor meaning Patience, and women is best example of this quality. Ofcourse all the universe has some degree of Allah's attributes , however absolute attributes are with Allah only. So a believer finds , experience the attributes of Allah in His creation and glorify his Lord. Now coming to relationship between a Sufi and Allah, the poetic expression was and is always misunderstood. The love is so pure, it's devoid of animal instincts like the pleasure of sex and it's more than the obedient instincts of angels. May Allah bless you and me with such pure love towards our Lord.

[@felreizmeshinca7459]

Let me just share that Ibn Arabi is considered as kuffar by famous scholars, look it up. While not all sufis are heretics, it is important for us as Muslims to know the difference. A non-muslim might not take into account on the Aqeedah and only the historical point of view.

[@kam70111]

@@LetsTalkReligion Wonderful. The crux of the matter. Love you.

[@islamonlysolution461]

sama is soul its spiritually guided directly from heaven

[@Mercy_bahr]

Salam 🌸Can you please talk about one of mevlana shaykh al akbar ibn arabi.. Sayida Fatima al qurtubia ✨💚

[@shahubai]

First Thing I need to say is.. ALLAH Subhana Tallah is not human and also not creation ..He is Only ONE ,the only CREATOR and PURE(AL - QUDDUS) so there is no sexual love come into picture in any concept.

[@farhanhyder7304]

Thank you for making a video on Rabia Basri. She is one of the most impressive women I've ever come across.

[@aramkarakhanyan4224]

"O God, if I worship You in fear of Hell, burn me in Hell; and if I worship You in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise; but if I worship You for Your own sake, withhold not Your everlasting beauty." - Rabi'a

[@sadafkhan1858]

Thank u for making us muslim women feel inclusive and significant in this journey ❤

[@vatancloud54]

I do not like this channel one bit but in fact I am in love with this channel truly appreciate it

[@Xirsiev]

Fun Fact from Rabia's Wisdom: Wisdom Seeker: "Rabia, who do you love?" Rabia: "God!" Wisdom Seeker: "Who do you hate?" Rabia: "The love I have for God keeps me too busy to hate anyone!" May Allah have mercy on her. Ameen!

[@hiba0090792]

Your pronunciation is excellent

[@denganituingatlahdia8867]

Okay, I think some parts you said about husband, wife etc... I understand if there some confusion because most of ordinary society including me still have this eye of materialistic. We think about what we can imagine and see through our mind and eyes. Most of us may or not have their capabilities to have the eye to the heart. Seeing with our heart not our vision. My scholar told that most of us couldn't be looking through the same as them because our level are different than them. They didn't review world as materials or materialize something but rather than working through a path and a very long long path and some of them for at least 40 years of this journey. At first I was mad but you know in Tasawuf you need to have good thoughts on anyone on this world so I that's all I can say even some of the sufis also said 'only the one that feel the way they feel will understand'. Sufism is a journey to the Ultimate Love to Allah. Nothing less. I think better if you do the three practices first, Tauhid, Aqidah dan Tasawuf. What Sufism mostly conquered all of these first before they could go further. It will tell you slowly of why and why about some stuff. But it will be a long journey tbh because Sufism not like a sort of secretive religion organisation or something. That's why there is tariqa, the path will lead you to the answer with the guide of a murshid.

[@ramcool82]

What we see in organised religions, such ideas are ignored or does not make into main teaching. Many times we see saints are persecuted. In unorganised religion like Hinduism, there are celebrated and their teachings adopted. Thus not letting concepts/worships become rigid physical activities but rather keeping focus on essence of a teaching.

[@chendaforest]

I like the phrase 'unorganised religion'

[@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800]

Rabia has always been an inspiration to me , since I first seen a movie portraying her life. She , arguably can be said to be even more pious than the Ummul'Mu'Mineen themselvs..( this is my own opinion though, so please DNT condemn me, anyone for having my own opinion, please.

[@richardwestwood8212]

Are you planning to become a sufi Saffiyah ? You might perform miracles at will if you do, and also consider changing your name to Suffiyah😋😋😋

[@ziaulhaque4462]

Can we be friends

[@interestinglife5994]

But hazrat rabia will definetely condem your opinion.

[@user-yp7ke4et7o]

Imagine being this deviated. May Allah give you hidayah.

[@lohrigirl]

Wonderful series. Am hooked Filip Holm. A question: I have never heard anyone pronounce "Chishti" as "Shishti," certainly no one from the Indo-Pak subcontinent and he is always "Chishti" with a ""ch" as in "chain." Where are you getting the "sh" as in "shoe" from?

[@DWAGON1818]

The first person to be called Sufi was Shaykh Abu Hashim Kufi. This was more than 100 years before Al Junayd.

[@ALWALEED1911]

I have always been fascinated by women presence on the Ideological and political stage in the Islamic world, the most interesting to me is Sajah bint Al-Harith, who claimed to be a prophet (among others) and lead her tripe during the political turbulence after mohhammed died.

[@diponuddin7528]

I "love" you ❤, for sharing this knowledge with us

[@streetnames360]

I dont think Ishq means erotic love. As a native urdu speaker we use that word. I have arab friends and I know in farsi they use the word ashiq etc but it does not mean erotic love just means passionate or a very deep form of love for e.g. you can say become an ashiq/ishq of islam, means love of islam or ashiq of god etc. The word can be used romantically between couples but does not even imply eroticism.

[@dr.tinalight5115]

Awesome video. Thank you for sharing 🙏😊❤🌺💐💝👌

[@dd615]

Thanks again for great introduction. The most sensual pleasure that human find through bodily qualities is the one of intimacy between man and women but finding Unity of God through qualities of Heart is 1000 times more pleasurable.

[@saliemchristian3348]

Mashallah. There is such a beautiful nur (light) around u these days compared to previously when u started out. Before, ur hair was unkept nd "wild" beard. These days u look much more handsome nd "clean". Thank u so much for ur educational nd well sought after videos. Personally ur videos r classic nd should be interacted with nd should be "stored away" for future references.

[@zbigniewdzwonkowski3536]

The Woman of highest spiritual achievement was Hazrat Babajan the Perfect Master described in Sufism Reoriented .... (1790-1931)... She was born in Afghanistan as older daughter of Chief Minister and lived and left her body in Pone, India... She was the only one Woman Perfect Master for purpose to be reincarnated "for the End Times"... in 1954...

[@elieassaf8747]

"the neighbor before the house" saying is very common throughout he middle east, i had no idea that a sufi woman is its origin

[@muhammadharis4499]

Brother! You're doing great! May Allah bless you. Best thing is that it's not orientalist stuff.

[@zaynabasghar2619]

Are you sure about that?

[@muhammadharis4499]

@@zaynabasghar2619 yes as far as I have seen his videos yet

[@lost_poet_]

@@zaynabasghar2619 why are you unsure?

[@EponaDreams-AmbientDreamscapes]

I saw God first and came to Sufism after. The Creator and its Creation are One. To love Creation is love its Creator. But it is a love without object. It is the All. There is no union with God, for God is Self. There is no becoming for we are Become. And there is no need for love because we are Love. Love, stillness, and endless peace become known when the false ego self is seen as a lie. Then love of, peace with, and stillness in, also disappear. Union is seen as what we already are. And this Truth we call God or Allah etc is incredible, beautiful, majestic, miraculous, and unfolding in ways we cannot imagine. We have Love through awe and wonder. And Love for Beauty and its endless calm. And this is why Sufism and Islam does not always get along. Sufis see Oneness of All, where Islam might be seen as Allah transcending life. Both views are right. Transcendence and being within All are human perspectives of One Whole that is all perspectives ❤

[@GraceRose-us6jb]

Thank you!