Why He Left Christianity: The 3 Bible Issues He Couldn't Ignore

Why He Left Christianity: The 3 Bible Issues He Couldn't Ignore
David McDonald was a youth Pastor for many years and was extremely devoted to Christianity. He was an Evangelical Christian who started studying the Bible and three major issues came up which caused him to really start doubting.
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[@DeepDrinks]

🎉🎉🎉 Thanks for having me on Derek. If you’re reading this as a Christian content creator and disagree with me, have me on, I’m up for a friendly discussion.

[@sparkuri]

Excellent invitation. I'll subscribe for that. There shouldn't be 2000 years of non-harmony & endless denominations among the same religion.

[@DeepDrinks]

@@sparkuri Thanks for the sub, I will remember you if I see you in the live stream chats :)

[@pragmaticcrystal]

@@sparkuri 🫶

[@markjessop8094]

..... . . . .

[@kariannecrysler640]

I enjoyed seeing you as the interviewed for once lol✌️💗

[@ViolAM3]

My mother TORMENTED and abused me with end times theology my entire life (until I went no contact after age 34, and her telling me I shouldn't have had children because "woe to those who are pregnant and nursing in the end times"). This is both SO validating and INFURIATING.

[@kiko8u]

Omg.

[@DeepDrinks]

I AM SO SORRY you had to go through that.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

I can totally relate to that. My mother called me "Lucifer" and said I was going to HELL all the time, even though I sacrificed everything to take care of her in her old age. She hated me and blamed me for her miserable life which she had chosen for herself. Some people need to denigrate others in order to make them feel better about themselves.

[@rurururu3744]

Ur mom miss read the bible..

[@markuse3472]

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZbin on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose).

[@kathyhuff7040]

I almost gave up my faith - but I couldn’t deny the certain creative ways some of my prayers were answered… (That and J.S. Bach’s music!) I don’t have all the answers, I’ve had disappointments, I have accepted gray areas in my faith, and wrestling with questions isn’t a bad thing! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I respect your journey.

[@wildmohn2457]

There are also other forces and mind stuff like psychology and so on which can make things come true… did not obviously have to be a GOD or a Christian GOD which answered prayers. Sometimes it’s only the focus and the wish which also has power on its own

[@daniellastuart3145]

You can like Bach without being religious

[@shannamathias4176]

I respect yours as well.❤

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Prayers are answered at the exact same rate as pure chance. If you pray to the empty milk carton in your fridge and pray to God and record the results you'll notice that the milk carton and God answer prayers at the same rate. You should be worshiping empty milk cartons.

[@Wookiemonsterfreak]

I can relate very much the same. I struggled, then sincerely went into deep prayer and asked what I can do to fix the struggle and feel the Spirit again. To my surprise, the still small voice pressed on me saying “it’s time to walk away from the Church and discover new”. I was shocked. I didn’t expect that answer. I made a compromise, “If I do this, I trust that is God wants me to come back, then God will lead me back”. What I discovered is the topics here, Myths and the common thread of that ties all traditional spiritual traditions. It’s a lonely walk sometimes, because it hard to walk away from the social comfort of all my Church family, but it’s still a meaningful spiritual life.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@hopeisorange]

Abba called our family out of the Church as well. There are so many traditions of man that are seen in the Church as so much more important than the actual truth. We bought a farm and were overwhelmed at how to fit all of the extra work in. When I prayed about it, he told us to keep the Sabbath. That didn’t make any sense because it gave us one day less to do the farm work that was already overwhelming! Yet, oddly enough that shifted everything and we have really been blessed in the land. I believe his “Heavenly scrolls” are truth and are seen in the heavens and the things that he has made, but the written word can be corrupted

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@hopeisorange Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

Did you check out Islam? The way you started that text mostly ends with people accepting islam

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

​@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi DO YOU FOLLOW THE DEAD OR THE IVING? Would you ask a car mechanic advice for a health issue? Likewise, why are you listening to dead people on advice on life? Jesus not only died but rose from the dead claiming victory over death. So when Jesus speaks to you through His servants you ought to listen WHY SACRIFICE NEEDED FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS ? God has given us court as an example of justice. If somebody earns a prison sentence (Hell) from breaking laws (Sins). He can be let out justly out of prison if someone pays his fine (bail). Jesus death on the cross paid the fine (the fine is infinite because you have sinned against an infinite God so only Jesus can pay the fine because He is Perfect). Either Believe in Jesus and repent (change from your sinful ways) or spend eternity paying for your own sins

[@shriggs55]

The fundamentalists will tell you that when Jesus said,"This generation," he meant the generation that sees all the signs spoken of in that same chapter, i.e, the generation we live in now.They have ready made answers to every contradiction, no matter how stupid it is.But they are obviously good enough "answers" for the choir they preach to-who see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

[@ancientflames]

Exactly. No amount of truth will convince any of them. It’s a personal truth journey.

[@erikhaynes5506]

I've heard that one too but then the text should read "that generation" not "this generation".

[@dereknoto6555]

@@peterjack2323 Take your antipsychotics

[@reinercelsus8299]

@@peterjack2323 Oh, man. A Generation is 7000 years? A generation of what? Humans? No. Gods? No. How was a "generation" ever related to a "cycle of mankind"? That's just made-up and unsubstantiated fiction nonsense of unknown origin, you know. A generation has never meant 7000 years anywhere. So who would even claim that? A comedian?

[@holy-nonsence7007]

@@erikhaynes5506Exactly!

[@danaagenbroad]

As a teenage girl, caught up in the "Born again" Christian movement (early '70s), everything regarding women in the Bible was cruel and unjust. That's what turned me off, and I went the complete opposite direction, Feminism and atheism.

[@eponaalbion]

So you went from one PsyOp to another one :O

[@GodlessCommie]

congrats on choosing freedom and human rights over authoritarianism

[@dirtypickle77]

​@@ring-tone278thanks for the threats. Fear is the foundation of Christianity. Next layer is guilt you sinner. You better figure out what version of scripture is correct or your gonna burn baby. Dont even listen to my first born the jews cause i tricked them to. What a mess we got ourselves into lol. I dont need no preaching. I studied my way clear of Christian dogma when I studied the OT in Hebrew/Aramaic. Which destroys Christianity by the way if your honest and can shake your indoctrination.

[@daneumurian5466]

The Intervarsity Press Bible Commentary points that Matthew chapter one highlights the fact that three of Jesus's ancestors were unconventional, assertive women who didn't fit in with "polite" society.

[@njhoepner]

@@eponaalbion There's a problem with women having rights?

[@MrBBaron]

As a child I could not reconcile the millions of years that dinosaurs ruled the earth with the creation fable. I knew that an ark could not possibly contain all the animals of the world. Why would any God kill all the innocent people and animals with a flood. More and more contradictions and brutality in the Bible made me realize at a young age that it was a book of myths an historical fiction book.

[@gilgamesh7652]

Is strange that Early Church Fathers who lived in the 5th century did not believe that the Genesis events were literal but more symbolic but some people today...

[@JasonHauser125]

Certain esoteric schools teach that Genesis is chock full of secret truths, and the "stories" of the 7 days, an ark, Adam and Eve are all symbolic of much, much older things. Same schools also say the Biblical Jesus didn't exist, although he was based on someone who did.

[@neftalibahamundi7270]

Hello, I respectfully disagree with your comment about the flood. It is possible for animals to fit in the Ark, keep in mind that the number of animals of today didn't exist back then but their ancestors. Also, if you remove the aquatic animals from the list; the number gets smaller. God makes it clear that it needs to be 1 male and 1 female. Lastly, I encourage you to read Genesis 6 where it explains that humanity was causing violence and all kinds of sins. Because of these reasons is why God killed them all. God saw their hearts was made of evil and stone. The only way to get rid of evil is either with love or death. Death was the optoon after God expressed love to them and they refused it. If you disagree with God and His 2 choices, how would you handle the situation?

[@gilgamesh7652]

@@neftalibahamundi7270 But some must of the animals where in 7 pairs while orthes just in 1 pair

[@neftalibahamundi7270]

@@gilgamesh7652 Thank you for replying. Gen 6 explains that God commanded Noah to take 2 (male and female) of every different kind of animal. Gen 7 explains that after a period of time, God planned ahead and commanded Noah to take seven of every different kind of clean and unclean animals, male and female, for sacrificial purposes. Adding a bit more in the ark. If you like to know what are the clean and unclean animals; you can read Lev 11.

[@tulpas93]

It worked! I subscribed to DeepDrinks! Thanks, you two! 🎉

[@mikenash7049]

I was told that I was "overthinking" doctrine issues all the time. It seemed that any amount of thinking was "overthinking". Bible studies at the church I used to go to were like English comprehension exercises for six-year-olds at infant school, even though everyone present was an adult.

[@bonekolekta]

Hilarious 😂

[@kingchrist3167]

JESUS IS REAL ,MOVE and TALK in me , HE SO SWEET

[@briancarton1804]

@@kingchrist3167 Why does Jesus play favourites? I prayed diligently for years and nothing. Came to the conclusion it's all fake , no heaven , no hell and no afterlife. When you're dead you're dead plain and simple.

[@kingchrist3167]

@@briancarton1804 I cant die , because JESUS ! HE REAL in me , move and talk You are only deceiving yourself, death is the problem that humans must solve HELL forever ...NO WAY ,!

[@briancarton1804]

@@kingchrist3167 Where is your proof? Do you think I am goings to hell and if so why?

[@njhoepner]

I was born and raised a mainline Protestant...became an Evangelical at the age of 29...stuck with it for 26 years...I remember all the excuses, all the twists and turns and tapdancing used to get around the clear and obvious contradictions, errors, and plot holes...I believed them not because they were truly sensible but because I really wanted to believe them. I think that is the power of living in a bubble, being embedded in a community one does not want to lose. Until I finally decided to step outside the bubble and look at my own religion with the same critical eye I would use on any other religion, I just could not see the problems clearly.

[@theboombody]

Understandable. But it's not like popular secularism is immune from such problems as well. It just has less of them. The big thing for secularists is they all feel that truth is important and continuance of the species is important. But there's no reason those can't just be arbitrary preferences. And if they are arbitrary preferences, then there's no reason to be upset about someone spreading lies and fairy tales and lowering our future chances for collective survival other than you'd prefer they not do so. But there's really nothing set in stone saying one whacko's opinion is inherently less important than the opinion of hundreds of thousands of reasonable men. No law of nature declaring it. It's not like conservation of energy.

[@Expedient_Mensch]

@@theboombody " they all feel that "... Really? 'they' are all the same? Not even Christians, Jews or Muslims can agree on one doctrine for their respective faiths, not even that they are fundamentally variations of the same thing. How can you justifiably state that "they all" anything? Unless of course that's what you have been told, and you either have not, or can not think beyond that.

[@njhoepner]

@@theboombody Any "-ism" will have gaps and will have faulty people following it. That is a trigger to examine things, but it is not the examination itself. Since one must start from an axiom somewhere, I think "survival is better than not-survival" is a fair place to start. I don't think you'll find any coherent set of beliefs that starts from "the goal is to not survive." So I'll start from there...of course one can "but why" anything, but only for the purpose of being contrary. From there, it follows that truth is better than falsehood, since truth improves not only the chances of survival but the quality of it, for a host of reasons. From there, it follows that one should defend truth and oppose attempts to replace it with falsehoods. Personally, I have no problem with people who want to believe anything they like, so long as they don't then use those beliefs to harm others. However, I also think that if someone wants to put their beliefs out in public, they should be prepared for those beliefs to be challenged. If they don't want their beliefs challenged, they should not put them into the public space.

[@hueym2196]

I never was a believer. I didn't find Jesus bad and with anthropology I allow it. Just like Buddhism used as a philosophy not a religion. The torah might be good however but that needs so much knowledge of initiation due the demystification to make it bit good. The chosen people are israelites or the intiated. Israel is the trinity of the Torah. Yet some people believe the chosen people are chosen by a literal skydaddy.

[@njhoepner]

@@hueym2196 Perhaps. I eventually came to the conclusion that a philosophy that needs so much re-interpreting and editing and deleting probably isn't worth having. There are better ones that don't require all those gyrations.

[@LisaSchulanerFineArt]

I also deconstructed my faith a few years ago after 35 years of being a very serious Christian. I can relate to everything in this video. Thank you.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@marcomoreno6748]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 All claim. Zero evidence. "Trust me, bro."

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@marcomoreno6748 Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION? Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain? Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

[@Val.Kyrie.]

I’m going through this myself.

[@larrybikedummy]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363, what god is good? The one who allows a child to starve to death every minute worldwide or die slowly and painfully from cancer? What for? To control population growth? Hm, does he love everyone? Did he love that child to the extent that let them die painfully from hunger or disease? Wouldn't there be more love and mercy in an instant death from a hurricane or car crash or heart attack or any other sudden cause? But no, the "loving father" opts to let the child die slowly and in pain... Bullshit. There is either no god or he cares about us just about as much as we care about the bugs and antes crawling under our feet...🤬

[@NoSenatorson]

I’m so amazed by how some people were so intellectual about de-converting. Mine was a more emotionally based de-conversion. Mostly, I got tired of feeling guilty and depressed all the time.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@NoSenatorson]

Let us reword your statements slightly to aid in understanding how they sound to everyone else. “All humans need to believe in Thor as their Rain God. Why? Because all humans have sinned (farted, overslept, drove to fast, ate fatty foods etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of Odin) and choose Valhalla today. Thor defeated death by rising from the dead. Odin is Holy.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@NoSenatorson]

Ok. Which God are we talking about here? So many deities and so little time. All of them have their special sins we have to keep up with. For most it gets confusing. Did you decide to go ahead with Thor? You didn’t say.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@NoSenatorson I said Jesus as God Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.

[@Jonathan94591]

I've had all these questions since I was a kid. That's when I surmised that the adults at my church were not not reading the WHOLE bible. I started paying attention to our sunday school lessons and realized that we came back the same lessons every 2 years. I knew I would not have or find permission to deconstruct my faith or anyones BUT I am 63 years old and I have given myself permission to dive into a deconstructed faith with a realization that if there a God and creator of this material universe there is no way that God is as religious as we want to believe.

[@Ms.Mimi.Speaks]

Our Creator is not religious! But what everyone misses because Christianity is monotheistic is that there is only One God! But, if you read the Bible, you find out there were many gods, and they were as accurate as Yahuwah! These were known as The Elohim!" which means Sons of God in English. Well, in Deut. 32:8-9 it says that "The Most High God," "El Elyon" in Hebrew, gave his "Elohim" an inheritance, and each got a Nation. And Yahuwah got Israel! El Elyon is not Yahuwah. That's the problem with Christianity! It comes from Catholicism, which comes from The Romans, who were enemies of The Hebrews!

[@hueym2196]

Had also problems when I was a kid. I was surprised that people didn't see there were contradictions. However those contradictions need to be there for symbolism. Another aspect they keep the childrens bible to adulthood. So selcetive never reading an entire chapter the way it is meant to be.

[@Trip_Fontaine]

At a recent atheist convention they did a poll of ex-Christians asking why they become atheist. The most common response was "I read the Bible in its entirety."

[@Trip_Fontaine]

@sepulvedablvd7846 Deuteronomy 13 : 6 - 11 is pretty shocking too. It says you should kill your own family members if they entice you to worship other gods. It even describes the proper way that killing should be done.

[@Matira269]

@@Trip_Fontaine True, this is why Bible study in church is so superficial, and your typical Christian literature bookstore only offers a lot of fluff. The guided tour of ths Bible offered in church is made to keep you in church. A bold and honest study of the Bible makes you leave the faith.

[@leahsodyssey123]

Reading the Bible cover to cover is probably the number one way to turn a Christian into an non-Christian.

[@miked6652]

What about the Quran? If you don't know much about Islam, briefly, Muslims believe that whether you follow Moses, Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Noah, David, Jacob or any of the Prophets/Messengers sent to humankind in all times by God/Allah/Hashem is the same. However the Quran stated that after the Torah was corrupted (Change of the original) by deceivers to suit their benefits and then expired, then God/Allah/Hashem sent Jesus with the Gospel, then God/Allah/Hashem sent after all Muhammad with the Quran. Chapter 5 Versus 68: "Say, O people of the Book (Torah and Gospel), you are not on anything until you establish the Torah and the Gospel." And this didn't happen just with the last three Prophets. But since Adem, every time God/Allah/Hashem sent a prophet to a nation, he would send another after the previous message was corrupted and falsely changed.

[@emo516]

Funny thing, I was starting to become a devoted Christian until the pastor insisted I read the 'word of God' insisting that if we didn't we would suffer eternally. Something about that statement struck a chord w me, because I don't like be 'fear mongered' into things. I started reading it out of spite, only to realize that I had I read it sooner, I would have never joined the church first place. He was better off letting me live in my naivety.

[@cozakokotano6448]

​​@@miked6652 Quran is speaking the truth though. The bible scriptures aren't original. The man is right. The bible from cover to cover makes you leave Christianity because it contradicts with the teachings of the church. Jesus isn't a God and he didn't come to create Christianity. He came with a renewal movement to the Jews. To Judaism. There is no such a thing as Christianity. The Gospels and new testament are all for Judaism renewal. It all wasn't for a religion called Christianity and Jesus himself never claimed godhood. No trinity. All of that aren't in the gospels and all of that don't make sense. No church can explain the trinity well. Reading the bible makes the person leave Christianity because there is no such a thing as Christianity. It is just a renewal movement to Judaism. The Dead sea scrolls also prove the Quran true about the Torah being corrupted. Isaiah is 18% shorter than in the original Torah, so some stuff are added or retracted and that is basically corruption in the text. Also, the writing of the Dead Sea scrolls support the Hebrew bible which shows that the greek old testament has mistakes and faults. So, both are corrupted and the Quran is correct on this one, but that requires someone who researches, not a liar like yourself.

[@Kassalawy56789]

So, how do you believe in it??? I am a moslem & just curious.

[@wooddoc5956]

​@@cozakokotano6448Sorry, but people flying around on horses is no more believable than people rising from the dead.

[@Kronos2361]

My name is Bob, I am 79 years old and been a deacon for over 35 years. I can only say WOW! This is tremendous. I surmise we are both from a Pentecostal back ground and I also studied Preterism. Currently I am studing all of the old origins ... Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Sumerian and everything else I can feed on. You two are so right in your conclusions. I was kicked out of the church I was part of ... not going there. So I find myself treasure hunting. Lost my wife 4 years ago and she was seeing this but could not leave her belief in Jesus. Not saying I don't believe in The man Christ Jesus yet I do not believe the Bible is infalable. Said all that to say this. You are doing a tremendous service for people like myself and bringing many answers that people refuse to talk about. Thank you, Thank you.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Fastbenefits-y4p]

If you're proved wrong in the end (sure it will happen) and you realize the truth and you don't get a chance to be saved then.... . There is no savior in hell. It's your eternity and don't let your emotions and thinking of your limited mind make you foolish decision.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Fastbenefits-y4p I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form. Hell: I was taken there and saw one skeleton in the left and many skeletons on the right facing this one skeleton, they were there for idolatry and fornication, and the background can only be described aa destruction. 2ndly I saw a girl on earth on the same bed as a guy and she kissed him on the cheek (implying a unlawful sexual relationship), the girl died and went to hell and fire consumed her entire bod but there was some skin left over , I remember thinking “at least she has some skin drooping from her face” and then more fire came and consumed her skin Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 The inevitable conclusion is that a talking snake seduced a naked rib woman to eat magical fruit from a cursed tree which resulted in arbitrarily defined "sin" being magically passed down through generations, in which our only hope for salvation is through the brutal ritualistic blood sacrifice of an immortal zombie carpenter.

[@BadgerWolf-19]

so what was your conclusion reading ancient texts?

[@edmacon3264]

I left xtianity because I got tired of worrying about hell, the tribulation and not being holy enough. None of it has any bearing on every day life.

[@madeirafonseca6383]

Christianity, live the lie.

[@freespirit-111]

Yeah, never being good enough, always being the problem, not hearing and seeking God enough… it’s to much.

[@aprilmeowmeow]

​@@freespirit-111I hope you're free from religion, and have learned to love yourself. You are good enough. We were lied to.

[@freespirit-111]

@@aprilmeowmeow I’m in a much better place. Thank you for your kind words.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@TheDreamtimezzz]

So simple, basic critical thinking on the bible will reveal the contradictions, the archeological and historical inaccuracies, and the logical fallacies.

[@kevinaviles30]

Unfortunately, it really is not simple. Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true. How can you reconcile that?

[@dickmartn]

The Bible is the history book of the group we can't mention on YT...You know, that protected class.

[@ancientflames]

@@kevinaviles30you are walking really confidently into a fallacy lol.

[@dereknoto6555]

@@kevinaviles30 Childhood Indoctrination. Social pressures. Lack of information. Next question.

[@reinercelsus8299]

​@@kevinaviles30 Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is NOT true. How can you reconcile that?

[@tonydillion9807]

Thanks for having the courage to speak on this topic.

[@DeepDrinks]

Thank you ☺

[@ZUnit06]

I’ve listened to a couple of your interviews now… though my journey of questioning led me deeper into the faith, hearing these stories is helping me better understand how I can come alongside and minister to folks who are not blindly following another person’s faith but are wrestling to make it their own. It really reinforces my conviction that a little bit of friction is a good thing…

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@EdytaBruckmann]

Good for you! How would you respond to the arguments and verses brought up in this interview?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@EdytaBruckmann Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@myfriendisaac]

6:53 “I was too Heavenly minded to be any Earthly-good.” -That was a mic drop 🤯💯👏🏾

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@Okijuben]

Listening to you and David speaking, as an ex-fundie myself, I am starting to think there is a connection or correlation between the level of intensity or seriousness one experiences the faith and the likelihood that they will end up researching themselves into deconstruction. The believers we would have called 'lukewarm' are actually the clever ones, playing it safe. Why torture yourself on the path of deconstruction unless you are starting from a point of wanting, needing and dying to know God in the most literal way possible; rather than letting yourself merely be convinced of the fact a priori?

[@danieldelanoche2015]

That's interesting. I think you make a really good point, I just wish it hadn't taken me so long to figure out it wasn't true. I was a super hardcore fundamentalist Christian, went to to Bible college, got my Theology degree, was a music leader, singer, preacher, etc. but kept just enough of an open mind to see inconsistencies in what people said they believed, things in the Bible that just couldn't make sense, etc.

[@Okijuben]

@@danieldelanoche2015 Wow. You are not alone, friend. And kudos for not doing what tens of thousands of others in your position end up choosing because of the sunk cost fallacy. I can only imagine the harrowing journey you've undertaken and I hope you have found ways to continue to fill your life with light and love and use, grow and redirect all that experience into something new and fulfilling. That's been my challenge of late, moving on from realizing I wasn't put on the Earth just to glorify the Palestinian/Canaanite Highlander Wargod and being okay with living in a community full of people that do. Audiobooks are a great distraction. So is making music.

[@kariannecrysler640]

I agree integrity demands honesty and faith isn’t about being honest.

[@tbishop4961]

The secret awaits eyes unclouded by ambition

[@AndrewChristiansen-rx4mx]

That is a good point. I was a lukewarm christian so to speak, as I saw the bible as a guidebook NOT as the literal word of God. Or at least not the verison the we have today as it had gone through. I guess that is why it took me 18 years for my faith to fade away into non-belief.

[@Okijuben]

I'm so glad you mentioned the destruction of the temple, Derek! If the gospels were being written today about a guy born in 1980, his end-times prophecy would have said something like 'the two steel dragons of the eagle-headed beast will burn down the two highest temples of world trade; then you will know the Son of Man is coming.'

[@emilywyatt9340]

Rebuilding the temple as a task of the Messiah was post 70CE. At Jesus time . He was a military leader who would rid Judea of the hated Romans. Jesus ended up like all the other Messianic wannabes. His followers were so traumatised, they reinvented the very nature and mission of the Messiah rather than go home and keep a low profile. It s like Maga they can't accept they were wrong so they will hold on and make eternal excuses for the cult figure.

[@johnjackson4905]

Jesus is the twin towers, the two cherubim of the ark of the covenant. 666 is a swastika, the altar of incense. The menorah is the eiffel tower. The table of shewbread is the lincoln memorial. The 7 churches is the 7 heads of europe. Spain, france, england, germany, italy, austria, and russia.

[@thomaslynas721]

Obviously a prophecy written after the event

[@markuse3472]

@@emilywyatt9340 You like all atheists and evolutionists-alike will of course force yourselves to believe as you choose and want to believe, even though you know you are wrong. There is no possible way first century (and somewhat into the second) AD Christians would have willingly lost jobs, family members, gone to prison, been beaten, been persecuted, been tortured and killed (again, willingly) had they not completely known Jesus was the son of God. But they had that bravery, that courage, that boldness, because they knew Jesus was Gods son, they had seen him resurrected and had seen him performing many miracles. They had Gods holy spirit and that helped them move along, whether in pain or not. No way no how they would have willingly suffered such pain and misery had they not known Jesus was Gods son. This was not only in Judea but in many districts of the Roman empire. You can, and people as you have, made some attempts to compare some of modern examples of mass religious delusion with first century Christians, but no honest, reasonable and smart person will agree with you: there is no comparing the two. It is too obvious first century Christians had come to know Jesus as Gods son.

[@markuse3472]

@@thomaslynas721 You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZbin on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZbin channel.

[@ChampDietingAndFitness]

2nd or 3rd video I have watched of your channel and I'm going to subscribe now because the way you articulated his opinions he was telling you back to him was so perfect. You showed how good of a listener you are and you literally soaked up every bit of information he gave you. Great video.

[@pinky9440]

Many years ago, I listened to Derek when we were both still Christians. Then, I stopped listening as I started moving away from Christianity. Now, here I am, listening to Derek again, today, neither of us Christians.

[@DeepDrinks]

😯

[@johnbeechy]

did u go small a atheist, or Large A atheist? or did u just assume God is not a mosaicist and there by God was not inside the Body of Jesus during the Crossing? a Muslim believes there was a Prophet named Jesus, but God being an Almighty would not put ITself into pain and suffering of a Crossed Body. i am just curious God does not mind atheists, it IS the large A Atheists that Bee duh problem // Ms are harmless unless they r rich with too much time on their hands = idle = wasted away with out a normal rt to access luxury cell phones are Ok now for many non tech M sects, but war pushes Tech upon the sheep that hate to use the latest toys // Thank you for your service

[@njhoepner]

"The Lord moves in mysterious ways." 😂

[@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS]

I wonder if you both are willing to have a conversation with Sam Shamoun @SHAMOUNIAN.

[@MrBadintentionss]

@@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS it's impossible to counter logic and critical thinking if you're a right fighter for something that has never been proven to exist. ANYONE who would enter a debate with only claims and feelings as their defence will get eaten alive, but being a right fighter, will learn exactly nothing 🤟

[@aidenhastings6341]

I love that example of Dave walking on the plane. He sounded like so many Christians I’ve heard speak when he said “not only does this prove that David did walk to America, but he actually did teach us science as well.”

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@aidenhastings6341]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that doesn’t make sense

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@aidenhastings6341 Hopefully this clears things up as this is extremely important WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH Adam and Eve (the first created beings) were supposed to live forever but they sinned against God and died because of their sin. Now due to sin we have a cycle of suffering and death. There are 2 deaths, the first death everyone knows but the 2nd death is a perpetual state of wasting away (hell). Only Jesus (Sinless Perfect God) can give you life, for He is life itself (John 14:6). God is just so all sin will be punished but Jesus took that punishment for us (sacrifice). Love Him back by repenting of your sins and believing in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour/ Romans 6. [23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[@JaysonT1]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Ooooh, I remember when I was this religious 😂. Good luck to you, sir. Truly.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@JaysonT1 Jesus is calling you back, the world is dark and you won't be able to cope without Him Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want. WE KNOW GOD AND ARE KNOWN BY HIM

[@danhaverland4140]

I was born and raised as a Jehovahs Witness. I completely understand what you are saying

[@rhecb]

Not born but raised for 9 years #cult

[@theunclejesusshow8260]

Took me 40plus years to escape the Candy Coated Blood Guilt Cult

[@danhaverland4140]

​@theunclejesusshow8260 took me 45 years as an Pioneer, Ms and Elder

[@danhaverland4140]

​@exjwjaynedoh1241I am CanadianExjw. Love your content

[@trueworld78]

@exjwjaynedoh1241 i hear you on that one but you tell them and they acuse you of apostate,they just don't get it.

[@seanmalone6487]

I am going through a faith crisis currently, and have been for almost a year now. I have a BA in preaching and an M.Div. But my journey, while certainly taking me out of evangelicalism, is actually moving me towards historic Christianity, either Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy. What made me leave is sometimes called "rampant interpretive pluralism." Basically, everyone interprets the Bible differently and there's no stopping it. It's absolutley out of control in the Protestant world (a recent estimation is 38,000 denominations worldwide in 2010), but in the other two branches there still exists an unbroken line of apostolic succession through bishops. *They* have the authority to interpret Scripture and guard Tradition. In both of those branches there is legitimate authority to interpret Scripture and a solid connection to church history. I may be leaving evangelical Christianity, but I would actually say becoming Catholic or Orthodox makes me even more Christian! Lol Additionally, I have been hit hard by objections like these many times, but this is precisely why interpreting the Bible so literally every single time isn't the way. It's not something the Church has ever done until recently in church history (idk about Catholicism but EO doesn't actually have any official eschatological position besides the 2nd Coming). It places too much stock in man's ability to understand divine revelation (Proverbs 3:5), which comes from a source of unsearchable and infinite wisdom (Romans 11:33-36; 2 Peter 3:15-16). Not even Jesus' disciples understood what He was saying most of the time, but one thing they did understand was that He had the words of life (John 6:68). 2,000 years later, the Church which Christ built through them is not only still here, but it's among the world's major religions with billions of followers around the world. That's a powerful argument that there really is something True even amongst everything that's unclear. Personally, what keeps me in my faith is my past and present experiences of God. There is no way for me to list everything He has done for me here, but I will say that I have no reason for living if He doesn't have a plan for me. God has given me so much; who else would treat me better or give me more if I left Him? This world is so broken; there's so much pain and evil, if God doesn't exist then why stay in this awful, awful place and live a miserable life?

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

I've lived without believing a God exists for 45yrs and I'm totally fine. It sounds like you've made a fictional character your safety blanket and you've convinced yourself that you won't be able to get through the day without it. You'll be fine.

[@Dalekzilla]

Excellent presentation. As far as the old cultural laws/Levitical Law, the popular excuse that conservative/evangelical Christians use for quoting the scriptures regarding homosexuality, but ignoring all the dietary laws, the laws about stoning people to death, wearing different types of fabrics together, rituals involving a woman's menstrual cycle, or even only eating or touching a flying insect if its legs are "jointed" (yep, that's in there)....is that only the "moral" laws are still in effect, and so they are no longer bound by any of the others....EXCEPT that any rabbinical scholar will tell you, that's NOT a Jewish thing. Christians came up with that concept so that they could pick and choose which of those old cultural laws were useful to them, and which weren't.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Dalekzilla]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I am in agreement as far as Christ, whose teachings and mandates I try to follow. Christ was/is perfect, because He is part of the Triune God. BUT I believe God has manifested in other Faiths, and that is why I try to be respectful of them (and to people who aren't religious as well). I believe that anyone who is without sin absolutely has the right to judge others. Funny, I've yet to run across anybody that fits those qualifications. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God".

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Dalekzilla Jesus is exclusive John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “; right here Jesus called every religion a lie He is the truth. Believe what you want but the fact of the matter is humans are sinners in need of the saviour. Jesus did not only die on the Cross, but He also rose again from the dead. This is huge and you ought to listen to Him today. I am not a judge who sends you to prison, God's prison is hell so get right with Him today

[@pheresy1367]

Thank you! It's NOT about "being an extreme personality"... It's really about being SERIOUS in your conviction. If you're NOT serious, then you can easily float along with vague cognitive dissonance. Only when you are WILLING to take it to its final CONCLUSION, the truth of it will reveal itself.

[@aprilmeowmeow]

you summed it up perfectly. Almost every christian I know is ...y'know, "Christian". They also are the same people who say that Christianity is harmless. Well uh, I guess it is if you don't know much about what you claim to believe, lol.

[@pheresy1367]

@@aprilmeowmeow That "warm, fuzzy, churchy feeling" that NUTHIN can compete with. Cause JC is da GOAT!

[@KadandEve]

@@aprilmeowmeowChristianity is supposed to be harmless in a way

[@MrStupidHead]

David is extremely well-argued, and quite clear in his thinking. Great to hear such clarity!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@cracker3932]

I'm certainly no Christian but just for arguments sake, why does everyone insist on taking a single word that a translator chose as the gospel truth when there are other definitions for that same word that fit just as well? The same word used for "generation" in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 is also translated in other verses in the NT as "nation", "age" or "time". Looking back at the passages in context, the disciples essentially asked him 3 separate questions. When will these thing be? What will be the sign of your coming? And of the end of the age? He answers each of the 3 questions but the verse where he states "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" is clearly answering the end of the age question and, based on the way the word is translated in other passages in the NT, could easily have been translated as "this age will by no means pass away till all these things take place". So he's not necessarily saying it will happen within that generation. He could easily have been indicating that all the things he spoke of will happen before the end of the age...whenever that happens to be. His very next statement is that "Heaven and earth will pass away" so my guess would be that he's saying that all these things would come to pass around the end of the age sometime close to when the new heavens and new earth appear but no man knows when that is.

[@russellmiles2861]

To be honest: the majority of practicing Christians don't bother with what is written; they participate in ritual, listen to priests and live their lives. They even necessarily consider the god/not god thing. They just don't think about it. Only few folk who get off on details, reading and study get off on this stuff. They are a small minority

[@NeoGeoFitness]

Remember that Jesus supposedly said that some of them will not see death...

[@jawnatutorow]

​​@@NeoGeoFitnessit could be implying a spiritual death, the verses prior are talking about saving their soul, not necessarily a literal death "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul/life.

[@NikolasAyala-c3j]

I also de-converted from a Oneness Pentecostal church in Mexico; a very conservative church. I was very active and held the Bible also as the literal "word of god". I struggled with my sexual orientation and being Christian at the same time. But I wanted to defend my faith so fiercely against other denominations and religions that when I stumbled upon the atheist rationale I couldn't defend my faith for it made so much sense what I heard and read. My major scientist/militant atheist that helped me de-convert was Richard Dawkins. I owe so much to him and listening to you guys brings me inspiration specially living here in Arizona where it's very frowned upon being an atheist. God bless 😂❤

[@matthewsneed5752]

The nail in the coffin for me was when I realized that the very foundation of the prophetic idea of a messiah figure coming to restore the Davidic throne, and the belief Jesus had in his own apocalyptic role in that, was based on Daniel, which is a forgery. It became clear to me that even Jesus expected that the judgement, end of the age, new kingdom, restored throne of David, was all going to happen imminently. In Matthew 19 he says his 12 disciples will be made governors over the 12 tribes. That’s hugely problematic considering one of them was Judas Iscariot. It lets us know even Jesus expected a different outcome. And the church later ret-conned the entire idea to be spiritual, and pushed the big physical fulfillments out to some indeterminate point in the distant future. Bottom line, my inevitable conclusion was this: If I went back in a Time Machine, I probably wouldn’t see a supernatural rabbi healing lepers and walking on water. And if I brought the guy the Jesus character was based on back to the 20th century, I think he’d look at all our churches, seminaries, songs, mountains of theology and practical Christian living books, and our culture wars, and he’d say “holy sht! You people have made a huge mistake. I did not intend for any of this to happen.”

[@tibitzu365]

In the gospel of Judas, Jesus laughs at the disciples and says to them that none of them will see that messianic age, they got quite upset about it and "turned their heart against him", apparently it didn't fit their world view. I'm more inclined to believe the Islamic account which says that Judas went to the cross but i don't trust their reasoning as to why.

[@jacobprasch8236]

Wrong, Judas was replaced by Matthias just as the tribe of Daniel was replaced by splitting the Tribe of Joseph into two.

[@joandark2]

Jesus said Daniel was a prophet from the day that Daniel says he was from. The claim that it from the second century is a forgery! 9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many. 12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. The Abomination of Desolation (Mark 13:14-23; Luke 21:20-24) 15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), The Gospel of Matthew chapter 24.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

The inevitable conclusion is that a talking snake seduced a naked rib woman to eat magical fruit from a cursed tree which resulted in arbitrarily defined "sin" being magically passed down through generations, in which our only hope for salvation is through the brutal ritualistic blood sacrifice of an immortal zombie carpenter.

[@joandark2]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Believe and be saved or disbelieve and be condemned. "Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are. So that no one may boast in His presence. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29

[@LyndaWilliams]

I recall, as a child, bring shocked by god killing all first born children of Egyptians although the kids hadn’t done anything to Moses. And by Job’s children not counting for anything in their own right.

[@lordssideministries4062]

God gave everyone a choice… God told EVERYONE Egyptians included that he would send the death angel. Those that obeyed did not lose their child. Look at it another way if a person decides to drink alcohol and become drunk and drives and they kill their child in a car wreck it is directly related to their decision to drive intoxicated. Bear in mind the Egyptians saw miracle after miracle, judgement after judgement… The last judgement was horrific but they were all forewarned and they refused to follow Gods directives. Every sin has a consequence and sadly death could be the result of our disobedience just like my drunk driver scenario. Hopefully if most of us saw the plagues that the Egyptians saw we would have repented and put the blood over the doorpost

[@jawnatutorow]

I'm not sure if this would be comforting or not, but if it's true that God killed all those children (or any innocent people) to prove a point or release a judgement.. Then that same God promises a resurrection for those people to live again. So if you believe he killed also believe he will give life.

[@aldontheelf4267]

@DeepDrinks I love hearing you speak. All of the scriptures you mentioned are the ones that lead to my deconstruction along with this one ... “'The older will serve the younger.' Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" (Romans 9:11-18)

[@DeepDrinks]

Thanks Mate

[@mnm8818]

to add: yeah Issac one time use birth right spell (no refund or exchanges) yet Esau is the true heir of Israel, stolen by a deceiving person, that I guess God didn't care who or by what means got the blessing spell- that Issac had command of... clearly God is laughing while watching that story unfold (though he hasn't got omniscience in early OT yet)

[@joandark2]

What did Esau do? 'he dispised his blessing from the Lord, and traded it for a bowl of red meat.' Jacob on the other hand said 'give it to me' Jacob saw the long term benefit of honouring God. Genesis 25:30

[@aldontheelf4267]

@@joandark2 He traded it for a bowl of stew. The Bible states that God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they were even born. God predestined and willed all of it. Also, God blessed Jacob for deceiving his father into giving him Esau's blessing.

[@joandark2]

@@aldontheelf4267 That's a wicked thing to say, 'God does not show partiality, but accepts men from every race that love Him and obey His voice.' It doesn't say anywhere that God hated Esau 'before He was born' “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” Genesis 25.

[@mdug7224]

Thanks for another very interesting conversation.

[@rsnsol2490]

awesome, thanks for sharing. these were the exact things I kept tying to reconcile as a christian and never could. its good to hear others talk about these issues.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363🙄🙄🙄

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MeganVictoriaKearns Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)

[@stevemartin7096]

Thank you Derek and David. This kind of reasonable and articulate discussion is so critical. It's critical for those wrestling with their faith, or lack of it. It's critical for those whose previously held beliefs are crumbling, in whole or in part. It's critical for those who are looking for an intellectually sound place to land when their world views, previously held, no longer serve them. Thanks again.

[@DeepDrinks]

Thank you ☺

[@Kimberly-ul5ky]

I left Christianity for several reasons, but reading that God created evil helped me make the decision. The Bible says that God is Love. Well it makes zero sense to me that Love could possibly create the opposite of itself.

[@Faustus_de_Reiz]

Ya, no where does it say God created evil.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

"As usual", this was a truly awesome presentation !! Best regards !!!

[@DeepDrinks]

Thank you😊

[@leneeslash3989]

The BIGGEST issues for me were the fact that Jesus fulfilled no prophecies, Christians mistranslated many OT verses to make up prophecies that weren't intended by the authors, and ascribe verses that have nothing to do with prophecy as being somehow tied to Jesus life.

[@soniq351]

What prophecies are you talking about?

[@ericgumafelix612]

​@@soniq351 I was thinking the same thing

[@leneeslash3989]

@@soniq351 Just search Rabbi Tovia Singer and he does a great job explaining the prophecies (or lack there of) concerning this "jesus" Isaiah 9 is a popular one for example

[@soniq351]

@@ericgumafelix612 Many Jews in Israel who also speak Hebrew are turning to Jesus and one of the reasons are the prophecies in the Tanahk/OT.

[@manuelshaul9244]

When JESUS play the cross. He already fulfilled prophecies. The problem is not JESUS it's humans and all they seven deadly sins they practice and the ten commandments they don't follow. Look at the world full of problem cause of people sins. Humans don't want to take responsibility for they actions that's all it ever been. You get it. The bible is talking about us. So of course people trying to curse GOD because y'all want to think it's JESUS that's wrong. Except the fact that humans are not following the law of GOD and Satan is devouring them. And change them to someone else.

[@frankieoja8205]

The video was sincerely delivered and I appreciate it. Derek did I ever tell you how smart you are! No kidding, I think you are absolutely fantastic and I appreciate all that you bring to mythvision. You can carry on any conversation with scholars intelligently. I just still feel bad about you and robert price but still think your wonderful. I also love Neil!

[@robinsonvancrusoe1339]

I'm so glad to find your channel. Thank you for sharing your story. I am struggling. Your words and book suggestions have helped.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 What exactly are you referring to when you use the word God?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 GOD’S NATURE Jeremiah 9:24 But let him who glories glory in this, That he understands and knows Me, That I am the LORD, exercising lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” says the LORD. God is loving but He judges all sin for that is right, Hell is judgement of God for your sins or you can repent and believe the Good news of Jesus Christ to go to Heaven instead.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Jesus loves you and wants to saveyou from the fiery pit

[@lindamckeown3198]

I live near David 🙌 however, in 2000 I came to Sydney to study with a huge church, which was up to no good and Ive been stuck here since! Havent seen my homeland 🍀since 2003 😢. I can tell by David's voice how he would have been as a pastor. So glad he's deconstructing. The church here makes my stomach turn!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@alexaa928]

0:00: 📺 The video discusses the interpretation of the Bible and the frustration of the speaker with certain Christian beliefs. 5:07: 🙏 The speaker shares their experiences running prayer groups and helping the homeless in their town. 10:16: 🔍 The speaker discusses how certain aspects of Christianity, such as the Bible's inerrancy and morality, can be questioned and deconstructed. 14:59: 📖 The video discusses the prophecies and warnings given in the Bible. 20:07: 🔮 Jesus warns about deception, wars, and persecution as signs of his coming and the end of the age. 24:34: ⚠ Jesus warns of the impending Desolation and advises people to flee to the mountains. 29:34: 🤔 The speaker questions why people interpret certain aspects of Christianity differently and suggests that theological reasons play a role in these interpretations. 34:41: 🤔 The video discusses the problem with understanding the New Testament and how people make excuses to get Jesus and the early Church off the hook. 39:47: 💡 Early Christian groups had differing beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus, and Paul's visionary experiences. 45:15: 📚 The speaker researched homosexuality in the Bible to help someone reconcile their faith with their personal identity. 49:30: 💔 The speaker shares their experience of trying to change people's minds with evidence but encountering resistance and dishonesty. 54:09: 👩‍🏫 The video discusses the interpretation of a Bible verse about women in the early churches. 59:32: 💔 The video discusses a disturbing passage in the Bible that condones violence against women and treats them as property. Recap by Tammy AI

[@naomiwillemsen9836]

2:25 in my waking up process from JW’s, I was amazed with stories of former members who were at Bethel or elders... Grateful they came out to share their stories. It helped me a lot in the early stage

[@Mabeylater293]

This video was far more powerful than I ever expected it to be. Thank you.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@vladtheemailer3223]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm having waffles for breakfast.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vladtheemailer3223 This is serious stuff In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@AlgyPug]

Great to see an Aussie on the podcast. We need more skilled scoffers like David in this part of the world.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@DannyWJaco]

I’m stealing “Skilled Scoffers”. 😂

[@MidwestFella854]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I think you might have replied to the wrong comment in accident, my friend.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DannyWJaco Everyone’s got struggles of some kind, whether it be financial, health related or sinful addictions that you know is bad but can’t stop it. Ask for Jesus to intervene and help. God will help you overcome, thus giving you a personal encounter, and proving He exists to you. I have received a physical healing mir-acle; Jesus is waiting for you to humble yourself and ask (ask because God listens).

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MidwestFella854 You are important to God Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.

[@vinceplanetta8415]

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

[@Non-religiou]

The bible is full of errors and contradictions, read it all and stop the cherrypick

[@rightousliving]

What is strange so is the fact that the gospels were written long after Jesus died and compiled into the New Testament. Did they not notice these problems? Or did they have a different attitude towards it that these contradictions didn’t matter to them because they tried to preserve them for other reasons.

[@scardini67611]

I was a devout Christian for most of my life. I cannot express the freedom of leaving that theology behind. Jesus was not the problem, and helped me to transition.

[@Nocturnalux]

I was raised Catholic and always hated Jesus. In fact, Christianity always felt completely hostile to by my very being and so I never had any of the feeling of loss so many do when losing their faith.

[@justalaborer713]

I think it's true that Jesus wouldn't recognize modern Christianity at all. Some modern dogma is very anti-Jesus.

[@scardini67611]

@@Nocturnalux I agree about Christianity, and I've learned more about it since leaving the faith. I always felt that the theology and dogma attributed things to Jesus that suited their theologians. I don't worship Jesus or think he's God in the religious sense, but I never hated him. I think of him as Yeshua or Christ and find his teachings helpful. Apocryphal and gnostic sources provide more info than the canons allow.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@scardini67611 The apocryphal sources often have an even worse Jesus, dude straight up murders a kid when he was one as well! Jesus likes to be cryptic. People ask him questions and he plays dumb, then goes all pissy when they don’t understand him, how are they expected to? Then he goes on about how people must love him above everyone else, yeah, NO. Hard no, pass. I find much more useful teachings in the Greeks- limited as many of their views are- than anything Jesus ever said. And I’m going by the character in the texts, no point considering any historical person as we have no access to them.

[@miamiman196]

What freedom did you gain from leaving Christianity?

[@midwest839]

David, I feel you! Derek you too. This video reminds me and is analogous to Mark Smith’s book “Broken Promises”. I think Mark was a pastor or church leader and saw all the eschatology discrepancies and outlined them in more than an orderly and detailed way in his book. It is very evident to me that both you guys are adhering to Jesus’s main law of loving others! I do believe that is “The Way” Good luck to you both! Joel

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@danielrutter9160]

I too was raised in a full gospel church and spent some time in the ministry. I now call myself agnostic. I find your story extremely interesting. I also find Bart Ehrman just as interesting. Some of the things I had trouble with as a Christian were the virgin birth (I can only imagine how many girls found themselves pregnant and claimed to be impregnated by the holy spirit), the resurrection of Christ, the two creation stories for man, and the whole timeline regarding the age of the earth (science says the earth was created 4.5 billion years ago). Also there are so many ancient religions that existed long before the time of Christ which are so similar to the Christian faith it makes the Christian faith seem like a huge "hodgepodge" of these other ancient faiths. These are just a few of the things that bothered me about Christianity.

[@Gear_Banger]

God created Adam who was a grown man yet only 1 day old on the seventh day so he had “built in” age. So isn’t it possible for God to create the earth with “built in” age and “human science” dating it to millions or billions of years..

[@denismkprince]

@@Gear_Banger good reasoning

[@joandark2]

Even the doctors can do IVF now!

[@joandark2]

No girl that I've ever heard of claimed a virgin birth! Anyway, even doctors can do IVF nowadays

[@JenniferJohnson-fh8fx]

Professing Christian here 🙋🏾‍♀️. I’m glad this came thru my suggestions because oddly enough I hardly ever see these on my feed. In my personal opinion these arguments as reasons to deconstruct are not strong. But they are very good questions to ask. In all my years of being a serious Christian I have learned that every question I’ve ever heard has an answer. Regarding the first topic of “generations” I just googled that and found an answer. I didn’t even bother with the others because again, I’ve heard so many good questions with even better answers that I usually don’t bother to look them up anymore as things that I’ve had serious questions about have answers. Just as the two gentleman feel Christians have to do mental gymnastics to answer questions, I felt like they had to do the same - while being insulting and condescending. But that’s ok - I get it. Understanding Christianity is like math. There are some really simple concepts that everyone can understand like 2+2 = 4, yet you have some people arguing, no it really doesn’t equal 2. And then you have deep concepts like Trigonometry which you really have to dig into and seek answers and understanding. Plenty of people would say Trig doesn’t make sense to them. But just because they don’t understand it doesn’t make it untrue. By the way - these gentlemen should have just started with the resurrection. That’s impossible for most people to understand and just ends the argument. But if we as humans can understand everything God says and does, is he really God?? Appreciate the video gentleman.

[@exjwukmusicalescape9241]

I agree with your comment it's a weak argument about 'this generation' and requires an arbitrary atheistic interpretation that ignores the rest of the Bible. You only have to read a few old commentaries on these verses in Matt 24:34 and Matt 16:28 to realise that one explains the other, it's modernist society and weak biblical knowledge that is the problem not the scriptures themselves. They also rely on atheistic principles for the textual and higher criticism that they insist upon that's the real one two knockout punch. Accept their atheistic principles then let them lead you to their logical conclusion even though in an atheistic worldview they have no way to account for logic or math that's why define themselves by what they don't believe.

[@JenniferJohnson-fh8fx]

@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 100% agree with you. It’s really unfortunate that his pastors did not have better answers but this interview was really more of a conclusion on just how terrible Bible knowledge is amongst Christians (and I’m not great myself) vs a statement about Christianity itself.

[@Shane-ju7op]

@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 Yes, Its a very weak argument

[@sunelmusic3343]

I appreciate this comment. As a Christian myself, I do a lot of research and watch a ton of videos like the one above, especially videos regarding the battle between islam and Christianity. I have been asking God to guide me in the right direction, yet, no matter what, even though some of these videos make sense, there's always a voice inside of me telling me not to doubt for a second that my faith is on the right path. God created everything, the whole universe, NOTHING is impossible for Him. How arrogant of us as humans to think we can understand Him, understand how He works and thinks and creates. Time for us is not the same time for Him. We as Christians will have many backlashes coming our way, deception is everywhere and I do believe videos like this are some form of deception, with all due respect. We walk by faith, not by sight. "This generation" in my opinion, I do believe its more of a metaphor for what is to come. Speaking in the future tense. I don't believe it was meant for that generation more than years ago. The Bible isn't meant to be understood on a literal basis. I'd rather believe and be wrong than reject Christ and be wrong. I have nothing to lose when I believe and accept Him as the truth and my savior.

[@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix]

@@sunelmusic3343 you have nothing to lose...except of course if an entirely different god turns out to be the real one...and by following the Bible and the characters thereof you rejected the real true god...oops...

[@darlenevandyk7390]

Love this video!! Thank you for this work Mythvision!!

[@markuse3472]

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZbin on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZbin channel.

[@tlbirdsong1]

It's talking about the brand new generation of Christians that was formed by the death of Jesus because we would not have a new testament without the resurrection of course it's been 2,000 years to us but to Jesus it's only been 2 + 1/4 days

[@bortiz11]

I was an atheist already, and an adult, when i read the Bible deeply and critically. (I actually went to Catholic school through 9th Grade). But if I was a believer today and read the Old Testament, i would have stopped at Ex 21 7-11, where fathers were allowed to sell daughters as concubines (therefore other Israelites were buying them as sex slaves...). That would have stopped my belief in a good deity on its tracks. Now, it just fuels my search for more and more information and analysis.

[@tibitzu365]

But my understanding is that the God that created the universe is not the same god/s that created man or these laws and is not constrained by our concepts of good vs evil. We anthropomorphize God and give our concepts, our morality depending on the time.

[@bortiz11]

@tibitzu365 well, then your understanding is not based on Bible/Torah studies. Which is fine. Because according to the Old Testament, the same god did it all.

[@tibitzu365]

Well ok yes, because God created everything and continues to do so. I could also say that God created the chair I made and it would be true. Elohim can refer to God, angels, judges or kings. Notice the difference between God in the 7 days of creation and then the Lord god after that. Now look at the creation myth of the Sumerian culture(specifically, the creation of man) from which Abraham came from and tell me that God looks like a human(does not). This is what the Gnostics were getting at but badly. Edit: If you're over 40, you would be better off studying Kabalah, Torah can be hard to understand unless you have some knowledge about what came before and even harder if you come from a background of roman cultural appropriation.@@bortiz11​

[@tibitzu365]

The Genesis of the Torah is also a very condensed form of what had gone before, for example, it doesn't go into the creation of Adam and Lilith and how it came that Adam lost his first partner who had to be replaced.@@bortiz11

[@kevinblackwellwelder]

@@bortiz11 Thank you for showing yourself to be dishonest. Exodus 21 7-11 doesn't allow fathers to sell their daughters as concubines. You plainly lie

[@LGshine0007]

I wonder if religion was just used to enforce "laws" they didn't want you to be able to break even in the social sphere without severe repercussion or be able to question them so things would never change?

[@neftalibahamundi7270]

I can't speak for other religions but I can with Christianity. I apologize if a "Christian" created a bad view on the rest of us. We believe people should ask all kinds of questions because questions leads to knowledge and wisdom; which is what God wants for us all. Sadly, some put religion over God. Christianity is supposed to be a relationship with God not a religion about God.

[@TheMahayanist]

Well, that's certainly the point of the Hindu caste system. So, there's some merit to it.

[@TheMahayanist]

​@@neftalibahamundi7270No. Christianity was always propaganda, mythology and politics. From the beginning to the end.

[@neftalibahamundi7270]

@@TheMahayanist Hello, I respectfully disagree. Christianity is the complete opposite of those things and if you want to know how that can be, I encourage you to read the bible. • Propaganda requires misleading people. We don't stand for that because that's against our views and morals (1Jn4;1). •A myth requires to have evidence that is all made up. Can you please be the 1st to show it's not real to me? Just because the bible can sound crazy sometimes, doesn't mean it's made up. Just because some people used religion for evil purposes in history, doesn't mean religion in general is evil; including in politics.

[@TheMahayanist]

​​​​@@neftalibahamundi7270look, I've read the Bible and studied under multiple Biblical scholars. I don't need you to talk down to me about "reading the Bible" Paul explicitly said that lying is completely allowed as long as it's for the cause of Christ. The evidence that it's all made up has been known by scholars for decades. Hector Avalos in his book, the End of Biblical Studies summarizes the current consensus. I didn't say religion is evil, I said Christianity is evil.

[@911dbaines]

As a Christian I’m leaning towards that Christ already returned as Preterism suggests. This channel & others like yours are opening my eyes to these same questions.

[@963saw]

I've been there myself. In the final analysis, even Preterism will prove insufficient for reconciling Christianity with reality. Good luck to you, though...

[@christianlarson1909]

What's the point of being Christian now then? Are we already in the new earth?

[@cxa011500]

Powerful talk. I wish we could accept that all religions are mythology and fable used by ancient people to pass on moral laws at the time and extract what value we can from them and be able to discard the rest.

[@DeepDrinks]

Thanks

[@aprilmeowmeow]

unfortunately, we have LAWS based on them for some reason, lol. I can't think about it too much because it pisses me off 😅

[@tomtemple69]

except one of them is true.... Jesus is God

[@3rdand105]

I tried my best to be a born-again Christian, I really did, but the answers kept bringing on more questions. My break from organized religion didn't happen overnight, and I don't exactly remember a specific point when it happened, but it occurred to me that to be a Christian, you had to follow Paul; for any given sermon, the reading would most likely be from an epistle, rather than the gospel. Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that he was there to preach the gospel, yet the epistles are full of his opinions (interpretations, perhaps). Romans 1:32 is a good example, and rather disturbing. This is the same God who loves everyone? Sure, everyone who thinks the same way, and does the same things. It's almost like getting mugged: do what God tells you, and nobody gets hurt. I'm glad I came to my senses...

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@3rdand105]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You just proved my point. Thank you for that.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@3rdand105 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@Dovahkiin0117]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363we’d be closer to heaven on earth if there was no religions

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Dovahkiin0117 Nah humans are wicked and need rules, whenthere are no rules thebiggest crimes are common sorules hold people back and turn you to Jrsus

[@ambconstrucao3770]

There are more verses that you did not mention, that really convinced me that there is no one coming to save, I realized that all I was doing was for nothing. It was the worst day of my life, knowing that I had so much hope on something that did not exist.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@Superstumpgrinder64]

The moment that ended my 30 years of faith was standing behind the deacon reading the gospel, holding the processional cross, hearing the words of Jesus saying "when you have a celebration, dont invite your friends or dignitaries: invite the poor the lame and the sick. Then you will have treasure in heaven" I was earnestly trying to figure out how I, a member of church leadership (vestry) could lead the church in applying this teaching. Suddenly I looked around and realized that no one else cared. My next question was "if the people all around me who professed to follow Christ, including family, friends and church members, if they didnt care... why should I?" I felt like such a fool. Like the Kafka quote about realizing life was a masquarade, but that he'd shown up with his true face. I cared about what no one else did, to the benefit of no one. I finished my term on the vestry, and i dearly miss church life, I realized that Christianity had been a totally harmful influence on me my entire life. My feeling is that any religion can be a medicine in small doses, but too much is a poison. I left, and Ive never felt better or had a better handle on my life. For the first time, i feel that im allowed to put myself first and succeed and feel good, instead of take up my cross, die to myself and follow a faith that never seems to deliver on its promises to care for the poor and weak. Some will always say "those who put their hand on the plough and turn back are unworthy to be a disciple." But i contend that the meek, conpromised faith that most christians practice doesnt even constitute "putting their hand to the plough." If Ive turned my back on Christ, its only because, unlike the vast majority of Christians, I actually stood to face him.

[@njhoepner]

The standard excuse I remember for Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21 is that "All these things" didn't mean everything in that sermon, but just some things. There is no way to make that make sense, but it was the standard answer I always got.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@scottgarriott3884]

Really nicely moderated, Derek. Excellent talk - best I've seen so far.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@DeepDrinks]

Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DeepDrinks You have value in God's eyes A Dad and his son were fishing and having a great time. The Dad told the son to never jump in these waters as there are deadly creatures lurking below including many crocodiles. The son didn’t take his Dads instruction seriously because he couldn’t see anything on the surface. Because the weather was hot and the son wanted to cool off he jumped in the waters. The Dad quickly jumped in to save his child by throwing him back into the boat. However the dad was killed by some crocodiles in the process. Jesus is the Dad you are the child "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13) Repent and Believe in Jesus today.

[@DeepDrinks]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦‍♂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DeepDrinks Let me share something i think youve never heard before God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@jabel5]

That was a great interview. Thanks to both of you. I really appreciated this statement, "He didn't care about reality. He didn't care about the facts. He didn't care about the real world consequences of his barbaric belief system." In my trajectory through and out of evangelical Christianity, I think that accurately describes 99% of the believers that I have met. The 1% really do care, but it's not enough leavening to the make the rest of the dough any better. It's sad, really.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@DeepDrinks]

Thanks :)

[@DeepDrinks]

Your God seems cruel. @@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DeepDrinks ​ @DeepDrinks Jesus is not just good but very good for He is God GOD BAD OR GOOD? I received a physical healing miracle if God were evil that wouldn’t happen. When you eat and drink id it painful or pleasurable? What about when you use the toilet to remove waste? What about when you burp, yawn, sneeze? When a dad tells his son right from wrong si the dad bad or good?

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363yadda yadda, blah blah blah... you don't know anything you're saying is true. You can't back one word of it with any evidence. You believe the words in a book because the book says the words within it are true. A 7 year-old can spot the circular logic in that. Stop cherry picking verses. If you own the ones you just typed above, please also write with the same confidence about your support of slavery, oppressing women and forcing r@pe victims to marry their attackers, among other abhorrent beliefs. Quote the Bible? Fine. But own the parts that don't get much recognition from Christians trying to "save" the sinners.

[@truthquest1194]

People do not lose their faith, they just change it to whatever they are rationally comfortable with.

[@davida.taylor8444]

Good Interview. Although he read some long passages from Matt, Mark, and Luke, I enjoyed the artwork displayed on screen to really put us back into the story while he read. That was a great touch! The delay of the Lord's coming became a huge roadblock in my Christianity. I've noticed that in my Christian circles, the 2nd coming nearly disappeared in preaching and teaching to be replaced by the therapeutic and/or miraculous gospel. While both may have some merit, there is absolutely no denying the apocalypticism of Jesus and the early NT believers. Christians have believed in and have defended the second coming for 2000 years despite it never occurring and despite its supposed "nearness," - 1 Peter 4:7 - "The end of all things is at hand." This suddenness of Christ's coming ruled my life for far too long that I eventually had to give it up just to function normally and not under such duress that it could happen literally at any moment. The odd thing was that the stress level of my entire life completely diminished after giving it up despite years of indoctrination that accepting and following Christ will bring peace into your life. I'm sure this kind of eschatology is still preached, but I think that I've noticed it being replaced more by "what can God do for me now" theology. When I hear others claim that God is setting up world events for his return, I remind them that this isn't the first time the world has been in trouble and still isn't even the worst of its troubles either. There have already been wars and rumors of wars and even global wars and the generation of people living in those eras have all passed and yet no Son of Man riding on the clouds has returned. History has already provided ample opportunity for the Lord's Return and yet it keeps never happening for some as-to-yet unknown reason not yet given by revelation. Weird how that keeps happening... My guess is that the best thing most of us watching this channel have ever done for our mental health is to let go of this ideology, however hard and costly it may have been to do so.

[@lbamusic]

DavidTaylor... instead of letting it go for my mental health and peace of mind as you have done, I have ramped up my Faith in my Creator God who is all-powerful, all-knowing, everywhere at once, Eternally existent, etc, - everything that I am not. This perfection of Eternal God and the things of God, will only be understood by me, when He finally gives me perfect understanding to be able to understand Him.

[@davida.taylor8444]

@@lbamusic Cool. You have obtained true gnosis. Best of wishes in your endeavors.

[@lbamusic]

@@davida.taylor8444 Im looking forward to obtaining it...

[@phillipstephens4522]

The end of all things does NOT refer to the future but to the past, 2000 years past. The Jews were looking for a savior not 2000 years into the future. In Revelation about a third of the way through there is a verse that says "This has already happened." About another third of the way through it says the same thing again. Although the last third doesn't say this if you read the last verse of John it says "Not one of you will pass away before all these things come to pass." In other words end of times refers to the end of Roman empire, not the future. Also The Rapture is not biblical. It was invented in 1830 by a preacher named John Darby.

[@markuse3472]

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZbin on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZbin channel.

[@alamoguy3421]

Wait... "not one stone left upon another" but, believers travel to Israel to pray at a wall allegedly a wall of the ancient temple? 😮 as Homer Simpson would say... DOH!

[@DeepDrinks]

lol

[@toddfrench8533]

Gentlemen, I appreciate the honesty and your searching, and it is so very similar to the journey that I have been on for the past 50 years since I was nine years old. It was very hard to break away from the extreme fundamentalism with which I was raised every single example that you cited that’s problematic in the so-called word of God were reasons that I had to turn away from organized religion. Again, thank you for the honesty, and for the courage to speak up and take a public stand.

[@markuse3472]

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZbin on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZbin channel.

[@ulysses7653]

@@markuse3472 How has the creation been proven scientifically? And which version of the creation: The creation as described in chapter 1 or chapter 2 of Genesis? There is no linguistic evidence of the events in the Tower of Babel myths, so there goes that linguistic accuracy. Proverbs 6,6-8 gets ant behavior wrong, so there goes that biological accuracy. 1 Kings 7,23-26 makes gives dimensions of a circle that make pi equal to 3 and then the volume isn't even agreed on, so there goes that math for literalist Christians. There is no solid firmament over the earth as mentioned in Genesis, nor was the Earth before the Sun, so there goes that astronomical accuracy.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

​@@ulysses7653that guy will never respond. He can't. You just proved what he said is total bullshit. Cowards don't reply. But I appreciated your argument and agree with you totally 👍

[@pulokamapahaano6748]

Wonderful discussion!!

[@brucefitter3236]

This was great to hear. I have drifted from Christianity but still have spirituality. I find it very difficult to walk into a Church not because of shame from turning from Christianity but I want to live an authentic life. I look into many other spiritual writings. It is amazing how even the non Abrahamic religions around the world have many similarities to the Bible. Even those before the writing of the bible. Could it be spirituality is alive in all of us and it is up to everyone to work it out?

[@rainbowinthedark453]

Well supposedly we are hardwired for it. Ever heard of the God 🧬 gene?

[@philleprechaun6240]

A few translations don't say "this generation" but the majority do Matthew 24:34 (ABP+) Amen I say to you, In no way should [2pass away 1this generation] until whenever all these things should come to pass. (AFV) Truly I say to you, this generation shall in no wise pass away until all these things have taken place. (AMP) I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place. (AMPC) Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place. (ASV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. (BBE) Truly I say to you, This generation will not come to an end till all these things are complete. (Bishops) Ueryly I say vnto you: this generation shall not passe, tyll all these thynges be fulfylled. (BSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. (Cepher) Amein I say unto you, This nation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (CEV) I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens. (CJB) Yes! I tell you that this people will certainly not pass away before all these things happen. (CSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (Darby) Verily I say to you, This generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place. (DRB) Amen I say to you that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done. (EHV) Amen I tell you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (EMTV) Assuredly I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled. (ERV) I assure you that all these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living. (ESV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Geneva) Verely I say vnto you, this generation shal not passe, till all these things be done. (GNB) Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died. (GW) “I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place. (HCSB) I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (ISV) I tell you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen. (JUB) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled. (KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJV-1611) Uerely I say vnto you, this generation shall not passe, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJVA) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJV-BRG) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (LEB) Truly I say to you that this generation will never pass away until all these things take place! (LITV) Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred. (LSB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (LSV) Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away until all these may come to pass. (MKJV) Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled. (MSG) Don't take this lightly. I'm not just saying this for some future generation, but for all of you. This age continues until all these things take place. (Murdock) Verily I say to you, That this generation shall not pass away, till all these things shall be. (NAS77) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NAS95) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NASB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NENT) Amen I say unto you, This race shall not pass away, till all these things come to pass. (NET) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NIrV) What I'm about to tell you is true. The people living at that time will certainly not pass away until all those things have happened. (NIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (NIV84) I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. (NLT) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. (NRSV) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (NRSVA) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (NRSV-CE) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (Remedy) I tell you the truth, this sinful race will not pass away until all these things happen. (RSV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. (RSVA) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. (RV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. (TCENT) Truly I say to you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have taken place. (TLB) Then at last this age will come to its close. (TLV) Amen, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things happen. (TNIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (TPT) I assure you, the end of this age will not come until all I have spoken comes to pass. (TS2009) “Truly, I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away until all this takes place. (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished. (WEBA) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished. (Webster) Verily I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things shall be fulfilled. (Weymouth) I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place. (Williams) I solemnly say to you, the present age will not pass away before all this takes place. (YLT) Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.

[@helbitkelbit1790]

After Israel becomes a nation 1948 . A generation can be : 20 , 40 ,70 , or 120 years........The truth is , we are reading fairy tales

[@tami.1111]

Wow...that's a lot of translations!

[@timbrubaker1787]

Yeah, it's almost like some translators couldn't deal with that contradiction and decided to editorialise.

[@DallyQuinYahu]

This is what happens when u don’t read the Bible in context

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@LeoVital]

Ah, "context". The true God of Christians who realize that their Bible has contradictions, lol

[@TheLIVEKIWI]

haha, it makes even less sense when you do

[@jackthe_tripper2544]

​@@LeoVitalNo real Christian believes it's translated correctly yet. No book has ever been made correct in every language to this day

[@jimforman3754]

Derek should show off more. I had no idea you were so versed in book, chapter, and verse!

[@sparkuri]

@mythvision , my understanding always took me to "the generation that sees THE BEGINNING of these apocalyptic things *will not pass before it all being fulfilled*", THEN the end will come...EG: WW2 holocaust survivors' GENERATION will see birth pangs>end of days. The tough thing about this is, it appears as if the whole world is in "lockstep" with tribulation, for the first time, although it's looked that way to countrymen under fire relatively for...ever...

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Perhaps but it also looks like the tribulation with which the world and even the biosphere are in lockstep is about to come up snake eyes.

[@sparkuri]

@@edwardmiessner6502 William Cooper used to speak on this as a self-fulfilling prophecy by the elite to wield full control over man. "There is a cabal both seemingly wrote a prophecy to fulfill it, and gain dominance over the psyche as any animal in its kingdom"

[@rebella5769]

Eye opening info. Wow. This channel is AMAZING!!!!!

[@miked6652]

But he is not rational when in come to discuss Islam

[@TROYPETERSON-q5x]

People can be seriously wrong or sincerely wrong. Sounds like David hasn’t experienced the grace that comes when one truly understands God’s goodness over against our own sinfulness. The free gift of His forgiveness and grace that brought faith to my soul, delivered me from me. “For me to live is Christ.” I belong to Him. He gave His life for me. Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith. I trust Him. His love never disappoints.

[@DrPhilGoode]

Is that on him though? What about all the people that have spent years believing and attempting to accept this free gift only to get free crickets in return.

[@AndyAyala-]

@@DrPhilGoode “is it on him?” Might be a better question to ask “what is the true desire of his heart”… no one has faith in things they don’t hope in. No one hopes in something they don’t desire. People who truly desire to worship, love, and trust in God tend to experience God. People with wrong intentions tend to not experience God.

[@TheLIVEKIWI]

"People can be seriously wrong or sincerely wrong" so which are you?

[@DrPhilGoode]

@@AndyAyala- Sounds like a cop out. Like saying people that deconstruct and leave their faith were never true “real” believers. The majority of those who identify as Christian were introduced to it during early childhood and that “experience” was needed to in order to fit in with their social and environmental surroundings.

[@fareerforsuk6609]

Brother, as you have left Christianity, how about joining Islam? Please kindly consider I am waiting😊

[@beyondtheveil3870]

Awesome conversation

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@beyondtheveil3870]

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There are countless perspectives of God.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@beyondtheveil3870 Yes but only one is right RUGHT RELIGION? There are many wrong answers to 2+2, some say 3 others 5 some even say 3.9 9but only Jesus is true and He says 4 Islam considers Jesus a prophet, Hindus consider Jesus a deity who fulfilled prophecy, the Dalai Lama in Buddhism considers Jesus at a high state. Eastern religions mention Christ consciousness. Most religions seem to mention Jesus so what does Jesus say about Himself? John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “; right here Jesus called every religion a lie He is the truth.

[@festeringboils3205]

My main reasons were so many, I kept a written list of things that were more likely to be true if Yahweh/Jesus was not god (things like Catholic priest cover-up, evolution, ending of Mark..) The list got so long that it seemed if Yahweh were real, he didn’t want me to believe he was real. I still have the list, it continues growing

[@jangoss339]

That's how I feel. If God want's to remain hidden, then why should I not co-operate with Him and not believe in Him?

[@chippandenga6722]

Mind sharing that list?

[@Trollamollex]

Most of your doubts can be completely shat on by the basic apologists but the problem remains that answering those questions takes so much time that it's not gonna be looked into by someone who doesn't care that much.

[@Trollamollex]

@kevcooper3037 Slavery doesn't have any healthy ground? Define healthy

[@gladysbatten822]

Also, Deuteronomy 22: (with no principle of bodily autonomy and consent) there is no understanding that in the trauma of sexual assault, the freeze option sometimes kicks in. There may be no "crying out"...the victim does not need to be choked to the point of going unconscious.

[@tibitzu365]

Actually the origin of this tradition goes back to Sumeria as well. The leader of the gods raped a nurse of their race which was a crime, but they still needed the leader for their mission. Rather than exile him, they approached the girl and said, "hey, we know this terrible thing happened to you, but he is a prince and very powerful, how about you marry him and you will benefit." This was an exception, not a rule. Arabs still carry out this practice in some places to this day, albeit far more barbaric.

[@sgblv2009]

It's intriguing to see a shelf lined with books in the background, hinting at a depth of knowledge and insight. However, mere education only sometimes guarantees an understanding of truth. Reflecting on your journey, the root issue lies not in a lack of salvation, as some may suggest, but rather in the absence of truth from the outset. To suggest that you were "never saved" might not accurately capture the essence of your experience. Instead, it's more apt to assert that genuine salvation couldn't have taken root without the foundational truth. Hence, the feeling of drifting away isn't so much a falling from grace but a realization that you never possessed what you thought you had. This realization unveils a sobering truth about many churches today: they often fail to impart the fundamental truths essential for genuine spiritual growth. It's not a matter of deliberate deceit but rather a lack of depth in teaching the foundational truths that underpin authentic faith. Your journey serves as a poignant reminder of the importance of seeking and embracing truth. It's not merely about surface-level knowledge or religious rituals but rather about diving deep into the core truths that transform lives. As you continue your quest for truth, may it lead you to a deeper understanding and a more profound experience of genuine salvation.

[@katdenning6535]

I read Shakespeare in English class. It was one of my first introductions to how things like language, cultural context & expectation have a huge impact on how something is read/understood. Shakespeare is widely regarded as one of the greatest writers in history, but his works were often vulgar and written for the masses with dick jokes galore. A lot of his carefully crafted jokes are lost on modern audiences due to everything from different pronunciations, slang, context, etc. His works are only around 450ish years old. Then I imagine how much cultural context is lost not just over time since the Bible’s different parts were written, but then the language and multiple translations too. Even something as seemingly simple as the Hebrew word tsela being mistranslated as “rib” instead of as “a matching half” has a LOT of meanings and connotations in faith. (Note: tsela is used to describe a set of what we would call French doors that are like mirror images fitted together perfectly). Hell, even the word “cursed” means something different culturally to my teen than it did 5 years ago. Inerrancy is impossible

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@patrickalilbitofeverything5181]

Great video as usual bro and I had an issue with the verse saying none of you will taste death until these things come to past… I don’t think none of those people are alive today

[@philtate1029]

On this one it's pretty obvious that Jesus is talking about the Generation that witness all of the signs He is describing (of the end of the age before the coming of the Kingdom of God) that's how to interpret the saying in its context

[@THEBESTINTEREST-ne1hp]

Jesus is talking about the future believers who will see His return on the Spot...

[@user-qy5je7fr2c]

I'm curious to know if any former Christians were truly happy when they were Christians?

[@Val.Kyrie.]

Me, I would be delighted if the faith turned out to be true. I love going to liturgy and the community I’ve had at Antioch (and the people at rocor where my friend was deacon and then priest). I would be so happy if all my searching and questions turn out to be lies, and the church is true, the bible is factual not simply another desert mythos, and if I could go back to church and believe. But I have to be intellectually honest.

[@Superstumpgrinder64]

I loved Church. It was my primary social world and my favorite intellectual pursuit for over a decade. I loved and still love the Bible, theology, history and liturgy. I earnestly pursued mystical union with the divine through prayer and had many powerful spiritual experiences. I deeply loved Christ, his teachings and his works. It was for years the only part of my life that I truly, unreservedly loved and felt at home in. But I left, because I realized that it was ultimately self-sabotaging for me to stay. Nobody seemed to care to the same intensity or in the same way I did, and I realized they never would. So if nobody else cares, I'm not going to let it hold me back from pursuing other forms of spiritual practice and pursuing my own self interest instead of sabotaging myself for the sake of "holiness."

[@roberthawes3093]

The main reason I've heard for "this generation shall not pass away" references the fig tree imagery from the same discourse. Jesus says "When you see the fig tree put forth its leaves, then you will know that summer is near." The idea is that Jesus meant that the generation that saw the signs of his coming begin would be the generation that would not pass away.

[@DeepDrinks]

And the moon and son will not give it's light, and the son of man will be seen coming on the clouds?

[@germanboy14]

Jesus spoke directly to the high priests and said this to them. So it doesn't work like that. So many verses can be shown that he meant the people themselves he spoke to

[@emilywyatt9340]

Yet its been 2000 years and nothing Jesus prophesied that he would return IN HIS OWN TIME. WHILE EVERYONE WAS STILL ALIVE. He was an end times apocalyptic prophet. The fact that this did not happen makes him a false prophet . THE SECOND CONMNG WAS THEN PUT OF TO 1000 YEARS THEN 2000. NOTHING. THEY BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THIS. Oh you don't understand blah blah. It takes getting out of the cult to see the blinding obvious issues.

[@GeekyGeckoCreations]

If the apostles doubted they would have denied christ as they all were Martyered and christ still hadn't returned. This would have caused severe doubt especially considering Christians were tortured and hunted like animals at that time, don't you think?

[@mkrafts8519]

17:45 I asked the same question but the answer was "this generation" is referring to that future generation which will experience the issues Jesus listed. He's saying that generation will experience all of those issues in a small period and its not meant to be that all those signs will span over centuries.

[@tibitzu365]

It's pretty specific depending which gospel you read, in some it's pretty clear that he's talking about the generation of the 1st century.

[@izzyharbin294]

I am a Christian minister and I don't try to square these passages. But I also don't hold scripture to be inerrant. I teach my congregation that all of scripture was written by humans, who, just like us, were trying to understand their relationship to the divine. I am also a queer pastor, so I clearly don't buy that homosexuality is sinful in the way that many "Christians" attempt to frame queerness. The points you raised are excellent and worthy of many discussions. There are many things in scripture, both Hebrew Bible and New Testament, that should challenge us to rethink how we understand the biblical text as a whole. I have chosen not to throw out my faith or the Bible, but instead, teach it from a very progressive stance - asking lots of questions of the text, pushing back against the text, putting the text in context, helping my congregation read the text from a variety of perspectives. We can even challenge the concept of a hell, what the cross actually means, and whether resurrection from the dead was the point. There are lots of ways of engaging with the text and making meaning. And I also draw from a multiplicity of other religious traditions, especially Buddhism, for my own practice because the creator that I serve loves diversity of thought. Thank you always for wonderful programs.

[@jmc8076]

Hard to square mysoginy and encouragement of rape.

[@oakstrong1]

The more I learn about other religions the more I realise how much Christianity borrowed from other religions, or rather, how much religions have borrowed from each other... I watched today a KZbin video by Crecanford called the Oldest Religion in tbe world: the origin of belief. It is the most concise history of all religions I know. Another channel Iike is Religion for Breakfast. Magify also has interesting shorts about mistranslations of the Bible over time from Hebrew into Greek and Latin.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@itsamysticlife3500]

I had a HUGE issue with Paul's letter stating that a woman wasn't allowed to speak. Wait a minute, didn't God appoint Deborah as a Judge and prophetess over the Jews in the Old Testament? Jesus spoke to women, even women who were strangers, a very big no-no in the Jewish culture back then. Wasn't it a woman who was told to spread the news of Jesus's resurrection? Mmmm. If we're supposed to remain silent (Paul's admonition), then how are we to follow the command of Jesus to spread his words? I never cared for Saul, the bounty hunter, or his alias as Paul, the egomaniac. He wrote his epistles/letters to make sure that the churches he started stayed true to him, so he could continue to collect the monies from each. How else does an unemployed Pharisee, and former Roman bounty hunter of Jews, afford to travel all over the Mediterranean and Europe? And don't get me started on "Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness" or the whole goddess symbolism of the 6 pointed star and the dove of the Holy Spirit. Or the pseudo-kings list in the Old Testament that's similar to those of the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Akadians. Also Jesus was a carpenter, not a builder, so his family wasn't poor. Mary's family was rich and powerful. Joseph's family were carpenters who made wooden furniture for the temple, a wide variety of Jews, and even gentiles like the Greeks and Romans. Cost was based on quality of wood, finish and amount of carvings. Jesus's was preaching and teaching because he had saved up enough money to take a sabbatical to do holy work, but died half way through the seven years. Spoiler alert, if a man did not marry and start having children before he was 20, he stood a good chance of being accused of being a deviant like the Greeks and stoned. This according to a Jewish coworker some years ago. Oh and Jesus's was of the house of David because of his mother, not Joseph. There's more, but that would be too long and may require writing a book. Thanks for an excellent discussion. Keep up the excellent work.

[@alwilliams5177]

It's complicated. But keep searching. You're doing the hard part most ignore. Tekton probably means "stone mason" btw as "one who works with their hands" would hardly indicate "carpenter" which implies working with wood in an area where wood was a rare material. Sloppy translation if you ask me.

[@wooddoc5956]

Shush, woman!! 😂

[@itsamysticlife3500]

@@wooddoc5956 🤣😂

[@voxpopuli348]

The abuse and murder of animals, women, slaves, and non Hebrews in the OT horrified me. I didn't read the entire OT until I was in my 50's. Raised RC and went to RC schools in RC city. Thank BASTET for the internet, You Tube, and books.

[@DeepDrinks]

The animal abuse is something no-one (besides CS) talk about, it's a big problem IMO

[@russellmiles2861]

so you never felt drowning every man woman and child; and livestock - I assumed you had heard of that tale. at least as a child you must have thought it a tad strange if not nasty.

[@hamobu]

Jesus flew into the clouds two thousand years ago, and he's still traveling through space. A few decades ago, Jesus passed the orbit of Jupiter.

[@DeepDrinks]

He hasn't returned because he hasn't reached heaven yet... haha

[@wooddoc5956]

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[@hamobu]

@@DeepDrinks Jesus thought he would return within a single generation because he seriously underestimated the size of the universe.

[@karenpbigtx2464]

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[@jasonpartridge510]

Given Jesus sees himself as the fulfilment of the Old Testament (OT) prophetic tradition, why would we expect him not to use the same tools of delivery that the OT prophets used, like the prophetic tense? OT prophecy consistently has an immediate fulfilment, followed by an expectation of a fuller and more effective future fulfilment. Jesus is prophecing the same way OT prophets did, see 'The New International Greek Testament Commentary NIGTC on Matthew by John Nolland for an depth exploration of Jesus prophecies in Matthew.

[@scottnorvell2955]

What a wonderful guest! Love this channel.

[@Chrissycolelive]

It only took a few supernatural experiences for me to know God is real and I had an understanding that our little human brains can’t comprehend it all…I believe in Jesus ❤ I was healed miraculously and I never doubted God again.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@saycheese6773]

Amen! Jesus is not just a historical person but is real today. For me to deny Jesus is the same as denying that my mother exists. He is as real as my mother.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@saycheese6773 Yes you are a smart person I have some underlying health issues which can lead to premature death, so I heard about fasting can help fix many issues so I decided to give it a go by dry fasting (no food or water) I could only do it for 1-2 days a week without feeling too weak, but a few months in my heart started racing and it let weaker and weaker. When I would eat something unhealthy it would race hard. One night it was racing hard and a tall figure in white appeared and was praying towards the picture of Jesus in my room, he said something like “please don’t let him die from a heart attack”, then soon after he disappeared and I heard the audible voice of God tell me some stuff then that voice stopped then I felt my body being lifted and life being pumped back into my heart and I was healed thank God, Jesus is God and He is very loving and a miracle worker.

[@tamarasanders5264]

Yeah I am not alone. I read so much hypocrisy. I can't talk to anyone about this. Thanks for your voice. I have subscribed

[@aprilmeowmeow]

You're definitely not alone. I understand what it's like to have those solitary internal battles. The more I learned, the more disturbed I was. You don't have to look very hard to find heinous things in the bible. Its roots are in hatefulness and control via fear.

[@Steven_Rowe]

You have to ask yourself one question. Why should you in the first place believe you are cursed because of a Adam? Why should you believe that He is is inspired by God?

[@panninggazz5244]

Love your channel. I found you about 4 years ago when I was going way back to my teen years (I am a septuagenarian) when I had this weird thing happen to me at &Calvary Chapel by Lonnie Frisbee. Since that time in circa 1969. I have been studying mind control and religion. I wanted to know if anyone else had experience at Calvary and now we’re criticizing. Your channel popped up Anyway Love love love your journey and your channels progress

[@lordssideministries4062]

Lonnie Frisbee was a false prophet. I am sure and certain that tried or did abuse you. Don’t fault the church but attribute his sin to him and him alone

[@panninggazz5244]

@@lordssideministries4062 I took an altar call and when Lonnie blessed me I literally flew back and was stunned for awhile.

[@tylerdavis520]

What did he do to you?

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

Video is full of great examples. A funny one which has become my favorite to ask fundamentalists about: Matthew 27:50-53 "And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people." Why is there no other record of a mass resurrection and zombie outbreak in Roman-occupied Israel? No other historian thought this was worth noting? Nobody interviewed any of these raised dead and asked them about the afterlife? If the book is literally, perfectly true, what is going on here and why did NOBODY else record it? Has there been a vast zombie apocalypse cover-up conspiracy by the Roman empire? Or was the human author of Matthew just wrong?

[@adampugsley7035]

I'm sure I've heard Christopher Hitchens say something similar, if not verbatim.

[@ShesDeafSir]

I keep asking where is the manuscript that the highly educated and esoteric rabbi/ savior Jesus from God's own loins wrote? He never wrote a single word and all we have are manuscripts of followers generations later who never heard Jesus speak first hand? We argue and are confused over what was written and revised much later and all of the original writings are long gone. I question most things. I guess non religious scholars around the year 30AD didn't notice Jesus and his miracles or his apocalyptic departure. Very sus.

[@mikrandr]

Why zombie? They would be normal people recognized only by family and friends. Why would anybody care about some stranger to write about it.

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

@@mikrandr Your hypothesis is that many people saw these zombies, but because they didn't recognize them as friends or loved ones, they didn't think these zombies were worth writing about?

[@mikrandr]

​@@sparrowthesissy2186not zombies, people. Why it is difficult for you to understand that resurrected people are people not zombies.