N54 VS B58 watch this before buying one in 2023

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juan chavarriaga

juan chavarriaga

Жыл бұрын

In this video I break down the big pros and cons of both the bmw n54 and B58 engines. I break down everything from interior quality to engine capabilities. I also talk about mods associated with each engine and how much maintenance engine power plant requires. don’t buy one without first watching this video. I make sure to cover the more desirable transmissions and problems that you will run into

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@zukomonitor
@zukomonitor Жыл бұрын
When my n54 dies, I'll be looking into a b58 conversion. E92 just looks to damn good!
@feshynm
@feshynm 8 ай бұрын
Anyone who has done this conversion? I want to get pre owned 135 with n54 and swap with b58
@sleepzzzxd
@sleepzzzxd 8 ай бұрын
This was literally my exact thought
@tatumjohnson855
@tatumjohnson855 4 ай бұрын
Nothing available been looking since the b58 was released
@Mp-jw1qg
@Mp-jw1qg 9 ай бұрын
ive been building n54s forever, and b58s for about 4 years now. some advice, build an 54 car before you venture into the b58 cars , for 6k you can build a wet sleeved n54 long block, fire finged and setup for 625 studs, stock n54 head, upgrade valvesprings for $600 and that block will handle 1000whp all day long. delete the index 12 direct injection on the n54, its CHEAPER to buy maxxecu standalone ecu with harness and some port injection than it is to replace index12s. you can 8hp70 swap a 335i for under $4000 and upgrade cluthces in it for 500 bucks, hold 1000whp all day long. my 1100whp 8hp75 335i outruns a 1100whp b58 a90 (i own both). you can literally run just as fast as b58 with an n54 for 1/3 the price to build for parts, and the cars are literally dirt cheap. n54s are cheap as k series to build now per cylinder. im 30-35k into my 335 including cost of the car and half of that is the pure drivetrain solutions trans build and theres not a b58 car on the planet other than mikes a90 that can come close to my car. this winter im going 7.70s
@Juanscars
@Juanscars 9 ай бұрын
I just built a b58, Crazy stuff, posting video soon.
@TurbhoeHDRemix
@TurbhoeHDRemix 5 ай бұрын
Tbh I just want a reliable 500 whp I feel like a b58 can do it easier
@xdzeron_1859
@xdzeron_1859 4 ай бұрын
do you have ig account that i can follow your build I'm interested
@TheBlu58
@TheBlu58 2 ай бұрын
@@TurbhoeHDRemixI was the same way but trust me 500 ain’t enough u gonna want more 😭
@joshuagilman9474
@joshuagilman9474 Ай бұрын
Does this guy have an IG ? OR content of his n54 I'd love to see it
@carlos_1229
@carlos_1229 Жыл бұрын
One of the best and most useful bimmer comparisons, good looks!!
@qx4n9e1xp
@qx4n9e1xp Жыл бұрын
N54 gang here, but I love the b58. I'd say, you are a very patient man for keeping the boost conservative until you have a built engine! Most people would want to send it, but I also don't want to blow my engine up, so I think I'm going to do what you do, and keep my car under 24psi/550hp when I upgrade my turbos. The turbo upgrade is $4-7gs easy, but to truly take advantage of it, you really need to fork over another $6-8gs to build the engine (if someone else builds it) so it's a game of, "how patient and mechanically sympathetic am I?"
@zatilla
@zatilla Жыл бұрын
A lot of people really love the ZF auto on the b58 cars. It can be customised so much, feels very stable up to 700 hp and feels a bit like a dual clutch
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
It’s absolutely a monster but a few people have destroyed it not so much now with the Xhp so I think it will only get better
@user-bd6qv4hc8l
@user-bd6qv4hc8l Жыл бұрын
Pure trans upgrade doing really good work for this trans
@Mp-jw1qg
@Mp-jw1qg 9 ай бұрын
i have a pure drivetrain solutions stage 2 zf8hp75 swapped into my e92 335i.. wet sleeved block, stroker kit, cams, n53 head swap, 625 studs, fire ringed etc. cost me $8500 to build the engine $4500 for turbo kit and parts, $4000 for standalone trans controller, maxxecu, and fueling. bought the car for $1400 with blown turbos. the trans was 15k fully built with 5k rpm stall. i might have $3000 in wheels, tires, suspension etc. total cost of the build is just about 35k. i just made 1100whp throught he 8hp75 and my car isnt even stressing to make that power. for 35k you can buy a used b58 car, do downpipe tune. i have 15k miles on my high compression n54 with 8hp swap and it drives like a brand new 8 speed bmw. 0 n54 issues, no leaks, no misfires, no issues with knock etc. i had the stock n54 engine with the 8hp75, full weight at 720whp and i was running side by side with our 800hp a90 supra. for 1/3 the price.
@Mp-jw1qg
@Mp-jw1qg 9 ай бұрын
you can buy clutches for the 8hp transmissions for like 500 dollars and hold 800ft lbs all day long i have build several of them if you need any info@@Juanscars
@3rdiDRaGZPS3
@3rdiDRaGZPS3 6 ай бұрын
@@Mp-jw1qgyeah sure you do
@reginald8405
@reginald8405 Жыл бұрын
Juan great video, love the cars in the background.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Next time I’ll probably do a script! Haha
@ooopppiiiuuummm
@ooopppiiiuuummm Жыл бұрын
a great video from a small channel. hope your channel grows
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support
@vosaaudits
@vosaaudits Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video thanks 🙏
@youknowimwhite
@youknowimwhite Жыл бұрын
I had the same set up on my old n54, single ftw! I'm gonna be buying an m340i very soon, and I can't wait for the power/great reliability of the b58!
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s great knowing bmw made a car that is actually reliable
@mason5485
@mason5485 Жыл бұрын
11.30 - I've owned camaros, etc and just in the past couple years got into bmw's, really great cars if you keep up with them
@khemchee4685
@khemchee4685 21 күн бұрын
I have a e90 N54 top mount with a 6266. Simple build DI only on E30 pushing 20psi. It’s fast enough for the streets. Pulls crazy hard and beats 90% of the cars on the street. I don’t need to push over 700 hp, I’m happy with 500 whp safe reliable power.
@Jotomoz
@Jotomoz Жыл бұрын
If my n54 blows I'll be looking at a b58. Plan to drive it till no more parts available. Seen the potential of tuned b58 just insane.
@b58tuck
@b58tuck Жыл бұрын
11.30-11.35 I’ve owned a n54 and did everything myself until recently getting into the B58. IMO the B58 is way less of a pain to deal with than a N54
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I agree, everything is easier to work on
@joshuaquilliam2887
@joshuaquilliam2887 3 ай бұрын
N54 will make you a great mechanic, but I enjoy working on it.
@JustACarGuy22
@JustACarGuy22 Жыл бұрын
You should look into a cam. I hear it’s going to make the awesome cam for the Anthony Ford games like 40 hp just off the cam and torque. And sound better.
@joshuaquilliam2887
@joshuaquilliam2887 3 ай бұрын
I been thinking about getting rid of my pure stage 2 335xi and going to a b58. But damn it's so hard to sell off one of the most sexy cars ever built. The feeling of connectedness with the road in this car is second to nothing I have ever driven. With awd if puts it down from 1st like a boss. I can't imagine using much more than this on public roads lol I don't know of much that can hang around here. I have pretty much rebuilt everything at this point, but we know how it goes lol we get bored and want to build something again.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars 3 ай бұрын
Nothing like an upgrade twins n54, I would test drive a buddys b58 but I love n54 more than b58
@Driftkingq
@Driftkingq Жыл бұрын
11:32 need this as my next car
@friguy4444
@friguy4444 Жыл бұрын
From the information I've heard and seen the manuals in these cars can handle over 1000 hp easily with a good clutch. Mind you you do have to put in z high quality clutch if you want it to go over the 700hp or so mark.
@cryan4249
@cryan4249 3 ай бұрын
How the n54 holding up? What is the n54 making to the wheel?
@one40i19
@one40i19 Жыл бұрын
I believe bearings and other crucial parts of rotating assembly are coated/treated to accommodate stop/start on b58. A by product of this is better longevity I guess?
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was the best thing bmw ever did. Rod bearings have been an issue forever
@apollo1230
@apollo1230 Жыл бұрын
11:31 Have an E90 & E92 N54. Might sell the E90 for a F30 B58
@tsuna54321
@tsuna54321 Жыл бұрын
11.30 the is is my dream car
@blackoutbee
@blackoutbee Жыл бұрын
11:30-35 e90 335 FTW! in all seriousness both cars are extremely cabable but god what i would do to get one of those zf 8 speeds in my e90 😂 that trans is really what makes the newer bimmers worth it imo
@joshuaquilliam2887
@joshuaquilliam2887 3 ай бұрын
It's super cheap to do these days, do it!
@machtschnell7452
@machtschnell7452 Жыл бұрын
N54 was on the 2013 335is. I think it was on the 2014 Z4 S Drive 35is too, but without the pony radiator as there never was enough room. F30 okay, but for a B58 I would go for a G30 340i either the requisite cold pack to get the LSD. MFactory LSD with M3 bushings and arms were necessary to get handling where I wanted on my 335is. Seats are better in the E92 and the size is right compared to later F and G versions unless you haul 4 people a lot.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Great points, I completely forgot about the 2013 335is being n54 those are hard to find. I had a 2009 z4 35is and had no idea they had the same motor for so long, thanks for the knowledge
@wahabzazai1963
@wahabzazai1963 Жыл бұрын
The 6 speed 45bz in the 340 won’t take more that 600whp long. 53bz in the n54 is known to take 1000whp without being cracked open. Sucks there not stronger manual trans you can swap into a b58 since starter is on the bottom. Hope the Supra trans hood or might have to get a 6 speed attached to a n57
@JQ_Unity
@JQ_Unity Жыл бұрын
When you setup an n54 properly, it will make just as much power and be just as reliable. The suspension geometry is EXTREMELY similar (almost the same). The n54 bang for buck is unbeatable. Also n55 EWG cars are pretty damn good too ( f series/late year motors)
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Did rod bearing issues ever get better on the newer n55s?
@cosmos2382
@cosmos2382 Жыл бұрын
@@Juanscars n55 has rod bearing issues, n54 doesnt. But n55 has rod bearing issues if you push alot of power thats why people modify n54 instead
@JQ_Unity
@JQ_Unity Жыл бұрын
@@Juanscars issue with early n55 cars. Not the newer EWG cars. The f series n55s are a lot closer to an s55 with different turbo setup and a bottom end not as robust but can still take quite a lot
@martinrkrs
@martinrkrs Жыл бұрын
Hi Juan, Do you have any oil consumption on the B58, and what kind of oil have you been using?
@williamrivera2373
@williamrivera2373 Жыл бұрын
11:30 Nice video. I do have an N55 planning on Rod bearing update. Do you use coated or original bearing?
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I would 100% use coated if they make them for the n55 especially if you are already doing the big job.
@ganuv
@ganuv Жыл бұрын
Sell it , horrible engine
@nickg2705
@nickg2705 Жыл бұрын
@@ganuv a more reliable n54? N54 is only better in bone stock form.
@jodygeorge5322
@jodygeorge5322 Жыл бұрын
11:30 - 11:35, I've owned my very own E92 335i and regret letting it go.
@user-pq2di9rd6b
@user-pq2di9rd6b 3 ай бұрын
A month ago I got white on whites interior e93 n54 auto from old gentleman for 10k $ fully stock clean title car with 43k original miles, it’s in brand new condition… I feel guilty to modify it lol. Most likely will keep it stock as weekend car
@Juanscars
@Juanscars 3 ай бұрын
Keep it original or just do a stage 1
@TavenPutnins
@TavenPutnins Жыл бұрын
Do you think a 2016 340i 6mt with 122k worth around 20k? One is for sale and I’m trying to get him down as much as possible.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Not too far off I would say that’s fair as long as it’s M sports and well kept up.
@Salvadorz24
@Salvadorz24 Жыл бұрын
The next video should be about the cost of the mods
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I’ll work on that asap, check back next week
@punkboy459
@punkboy459 Жыл бұрын
b58 doesn't feel like a race car setup its too modern. I enjoy my e92 full race car setup currently pushing close 700 to the wheels with 6266.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%
@federicosuarez1714
@federicosuarez1714 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, sadly you cant get a manual b58 with hydraulic steearing.
@Saiyan585
@Saiyan585 11 ай бұрын
The setup isn't that far off lol. It's just superior in every way.
@rrokas
@rrokas Жыл бұрын
So tempted to sell my N54. It’s giving me a plethora of issues that I’ve constantly had to pour money into. Now my turbos are showing signs of failure at 74k! Doing my trans service on my ZF6 soon, then turbos. But really tempted to just sell this and put a down payment on a B58.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Yeah 74k is when mine went out, get a nice set of oem+ turbos from vargas
@rrokas
@rrokas Жыл бұрын
@@Juanscars ehh heard bad from Vargas. Pures are the way to go
@D_TNation
@D_TNation Жыл бұрын
@@rrokas or single 19T it
@rrokas
@rrokas Жыл бұрын
@@D_TNation sounds even worse 😂😂
@nobleperez4558
@nobleperez4558 10 ай бұрын
@@rrokastrippin with 19ts😂😂😂
@gabeishere4990
@gabeishere4990 Жыл бұрын
The current major problem with the N54 is those damn direct injectors. $3.4k USD for index 12's is crazy, and if you buy any below 12 they will go to sht.
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I think 11s are good too. It’s the ethanol that kills them
@gabeishere4990
@gabeishere4990 Жыл бұрын
@@Juanscars 11's are good but you have to buy used and I don't trust used. I heard 1's are the best.
@BMWN54N55
@BMWN54N55 2 ай бұрын
So basically if i had the money get the B58 but if im on limited funds go with the N54😂❤
@benbenoit1147
@benbenoit1147 Жыл бұрын
What's the power limit of the manual transmission assuming you have the Motive twin disc clutch?
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I hear 600 wheel
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Torque
@minnronfire
@minnronfire Жыл бұрын
cant forget to mention the b58 is closed deck whereas the n54 is not, the b58s block is actually designed around the diesel variant which is why its capable of 1000hp+
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the knowledge I’m building one
@twoneallen96
@twoneallen96 5 ай бұрын
We need to have a chat
@Juanscars
@Juanscars 5 ай бұрын
Anytime hit me at @juanscars
@josephcutler3156
@josephcutler3156 10 ай бұрын
The dots were at 11:31
@Saiyan585
@Saiyan585 11 ай бұрын
Index 12 injectors are $450 per. Just insanity. I've owned a fbo 135i, I'll take a B58 all day.
@BFG2021
@BFG2021 Жыл бұрын
Both can make 1000 with pistons, rods, and head bolts
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
N54 will need a stand alone ecu, it reads blind after 850wheel
@danieltrejo6341
@danieltrejo6341 Жыл бұрын
11:31 brother
@the_batmobile0.4
@the_batmobile0.4 Жыл бұрын
B58 is fast and reliable, so easy to work on compared to others cars I've owned
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
100% turbo, hpfp, valve cover all easy to work on. Good amount of space
@Fernova22
@Fernova22 11 ай бұрын
13:58
@MrWheezy3
@MrWheezy3 Жыл бұрын
11:30 😁
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
Send me a dm on juanscars
@MrWheezy3
@MrWheezy3 Жыл бұрын
@@Juanscars dm'd
@ooopppiiiuuummm
@ooopppiiiuuummm Жыл бұрын
b58
@raldyjimenez3319
@raldyjimenez3319 Жыл бұрын
It ain't N54 VS B58 but it should any Porsche
@fel1xxfel1xx60
@fel1xxfel1xx60 4 ай бұрын
Dude you’re comparing your own personal feelings vs what the actual cars can do 😂😂
@youngbanger1977
@youngbanger1977 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I'm not buying that B58 is trash
@ganuv
@ganuv Жыл бұрын
The ZF with XHP stage 3 is faster then the DCT
@Juanscars
@Juanscars Жыл бұрын
You think? I’ve heard people say DCT is always faster
@machtschnell7452
@machtschnell7452 Жыл бұрын
Faster shifting? Not really.
@byronvontreal7046
@byronvontreal7046 Жыл бұрын
Dct smacks gears harder, but is it really faster? Dct can be so aggressive it can upset a lot.. in terms of time, pulling, just laying the foot down and go. I’d say zf is better. It’s quick in picking up the next gear but it’s subtle in engagement.. it won’t upset the rearend and stays pretty consistent all the way through. Just my opinion.
@Fernova22
@Fernova22 11 ай бұрын
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