Nancy Grace on JonBenet Ramsey's Murder | E! Red Carpet & Award Shows

[@BigDaddy-vr2ut]

What father , doesn’t look in every part of the whole entire house for the missing child before calling the police ?

[@lexx.stormm]

Because at the time they “didn’t” need to check the house because it was only known as a kidnapping at first

[@mizzlaura]

What I wanna know is why the police didn't? an officer said the door was locked that's why he never opened the door to the cellar but the lock was a slide lock at the top of the door, all he had to do was look up that's what I'd do if I saw no Obvious signs of the door being locked with a key

[@Arizona_lilly]

There was a note

[@KingofPepsi]

Big, He did not look in every part of the house because he already knew.

[@stephenrafter1980]

Omg yes. The father knew that house inside out as he built onto that house when the first moved in. I would search every single room if my daughter was in danger. I would be on the hunt and nobody could stop me.

[@9ner4ever34]

I believe someone in that house did it.

[@Beachandpool]

Absolutely

[@BigDaddy-vr2ut]

I believe everyone in that house knew what happened to jonbenet. And so did the boulder police department.

[@vernonfrance2974]

www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/ Linda Pugh, the housekeeper, was a liar and a facilitator and had the inside knowledge to make it point the finger of guilt at the Ramsey's. It worked like a charm as shown by all of you who still think it was the Ramsey's. If you read her book which you can access at the site above, you'll know who enabled the sadists and murderers to do their terrible crime. (Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf and one other, minimum.)

[@carissahall5687]

I think it was a guess they let in the house for Christmas to view the house and they walked away from the crowd and waited till everyone left and killed her

[@bryanhaynes4941]

I do to. To many weird feelings. Indicate it. I always get a gut feeling and everything I have some feeling the dad does know the truth.

[@garbanzobaen]

I am still convinced that the Ramsey's have something to do with Jonbenet's death. Even though they were cleared up from the DNA. I still think they have something to do with it.

[@gutenbird]

They were not cleared by the DNA. The DA just didn't want to continue fighting this case. The DNA test only showed that there were trace amounts of multiple sets of DNA on the underwear. Experts found the DNA though foreign did not indicate their was any significance to the DNA. There are trace amounts of DNA floating all around us. If the DNA had been from a killer, it would be a heck of a lot more of it. You have trace amounts of DNA on your clothing of people you don't know.

[@vernonfrance2974]

Don't trust the tDNA. (touch DNA) The substantial DNA was revealed five years earlier. It was sufficient to meet the FBI's CODEX FILES criteria. It revealed no Ramsey but it did an unknown male. The Facilitator: www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/

[@Beachandpool]

They were 'fakely' cleared.

[@vernonfrance2974]

The only thing they had to do with it is that they too suffered from the intruders taking away their loved one in a horrible, brutal, sadistic fashion.

[@Moonstone115]

Me too ✋ i do not believe intruder theory one little bit and i can hear patsys voice when i read the 3 page waffling fake ransom note

[@sklaboratory3983]

I suspect that the first female detective who arrived at the Ramsey's house felt the scene and the subtle atmosphere of the Ramsey. She was on the scene with Ramsey for a long time, so I think the remarks she made in the interview are important.

[@vernonfrance2974]

She completely changed her concept of the case later. Look up Linda Arndt (speaks with forked tongue.)

[@fayejordan175]

She misinterpreted John. I’m sure he was in complete shock.

[@_1ben]

She botched the entire case , she should be writing tickets at the mall

[@jonbonet6764]

@@_1ben she even real ?

[@mandy7131]

@@jonbonet6764 right . I pray 1 day Baby girl will get her justis

[@nancytoppin7701]

you never find a ransom note and a dead body together

[@Skipbo000]

ain't that the truth

[@cruisingmimi9319]

Very good point.

[@audreydaleski1067]

Loeb. They killed a boy then wrote a ransom note.

[@ticopipa]

Bottom line she thinks it was Patsy, the mother.

[@connorbradley3422]

Agreed

[@fcbarlow1995]

As do I.

[@boothang1499]

i do to

[@lifewithzoeh4680]

I do too

[@a.amanning7631]

John did it. Strangling was first . That was john

[@hemadear2509]

They need to reopen the case.

[@brightplansbrightfuture6594]

It’s open now

[@degeneratesicko8282]

It never closed but if it doesn’t get solved it one day it will

[@mizzlaura]

As a detective who has worked on the case has already pointed out they can open this case as many times as they want and go over the evidence from start to finish, it's not gonna change anything because the crime scene was botched and the police did a shoddy job at not only securing the scene but the evidence and getting witness statements, maybe if they hadn't and did everything how they should have then Jonbenet would have gotten her justice by now, I hate to be pessimistic but the only way this little girls killer is gonna be found is if someone confesses which is highly doubtful

[@Skipbo000]

No reason to. They are not able to determine exactly how Jon Benet and they don't have a murder weapon. Would be a waste of time.

[@mizzlaura]

@@Skipbo000 they reckon the killers dna could be in the knot of the garot that was used to choke Jonbenet but for some reason or another they don't want to undo the knots

[@quantumleaper8396]

I wish from the get go Nancy could have been the first investigator there

[@catherinegrace2366]

Quantum Leaper people can say what they will about Nancy Grace but she makes a great case in these few minutes. I’m a huge fan of hers.

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

Catherine Grace When you say ignorant things like that it makes me think you’re probably a sexist, homophobic, privileged white male!!! As a trans gender, trans race person I can tell you I’m highly oppressed in this incredibly backwards country!

[@zoeywithawhy8911]

Steve i can't tell if you're joking or not lmao

[@quantumleaper8396]

@@zoeywithawhy8911 He's serious and he is devoted to his uncle Teddy 🧸

[@_Tony_87]

She definitely would’ve indicted that family that very day, for those who think 💭 that this family had nothing to do with this murder your dummer than I thought, & Patsy Ramsey took it to the grave. 💁‍♂️

[@badsn0wbunnY]

The Lord said “Justice is mine”

[@HeatherShineify]

EXACTLY!

[@vernonfrance2974]

Her name was Jonbenet, not Justice.

[@annanicole1717]

@@vernonfrance2974 read the Bible.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@annanicole1717 That collection of dusty old scraps written in ancient times by many superstitious members of an ethnocentric sect? I hope you don't eat any cheeseburgers or clams or lobster or pork.

[@virginiaperez3142]

The Lord, said....VENGENCE, is MINE, says the Lord!

[@DazzleDust08]

It's absolutely Burke. I don't care if he was 9 at the time, arrest him! So much evidence, he had a temper problem and even struck her across the face with a golf club a year before she died! He was jealous that she had more attention than him. He knew what he was doing when he picked up the heavy flash light and forcefully struck her over the head! Arrest him and throw away the key and charge the father for the cover up. It makes me sick that the mother died and took the secret with her. Why should they be allowed to get away with murder. Because they was rich? BS

[@ajulu.]

Jessica Rose they proved the family didnt kill Jonbenet

[@lovvaz]

Jessica Rose totally agree with you. in the CBS doc during his interview He seems so happy media and press were looking for him at school.. He was happy to be famous in same ways get all the attentions on him. Now all the attentions were for him..not for jonbenet

[@janethleija4385]

Jessica Rose i dont agree I feel like it was the mother or somebody outside of the house but I have this strong feeling that it was not her brother

[@jiyoungpark9736]

The bowl of pineapple and milk says everything

[@lovvaz]

Jiyoung Park I agree !! this could have been the perfect murder..but ..

[@turbobuick33]

The brother killed her and the parents staged everything to protect him.

[@AmethystEyes]

Until I saw the A and E special and read the article by Rolling Stone I thought that too. And then I felt really hoodwinked. And it sucked because I really like Jim Clemente and have followed some of his work in the past.

[@sydandtaytum]

? why do u feel hookwinked??? jim clemente did the new doc on cbs- it's really good, and it really validates what i have always felt is the most rational explanation- burke accidentally (or maybe consciously) killed her and the parents covered it up

[@sydandtaytum]

AmethystEyes that article does not convince me of anything. a) the 911 call- i agree, i didnt hear what they heard at the end of the call. i dont even really care, because listening to patsy's words, it is very strange she says 'we have a kidnapping'---- that is something you'd say in a movie- or a cop would say at a crime scene to another cop---- no mother says that. b) i've always known the underwear DNA was bullshit because jonbenet was not raped. if it was a sex crime, then why in the hell would they not rape her??? they didnt use the underwear DNA in the show to be the ultimate end-all be-all of who is guilty, but instead to make people understand that the ramseys shouldnt be 'exonerated' based on that one piece of evidence. which is true. c) linguistics and behavioral analysis is INCREDIBLY important and is absolutely a science. if you have not studied psychology, you might chock it all up to bullshit, but it is ABSOLUTELY not. the choice of words someone uses is VERY MUCH LINKED to how they are thinking. john mostly remains silent in a lot of the interviews, so we can't analyze him too much, but patsy and burke's interviews reveal A LOT. anyone who has studied psychology will tell you it is not bullshit. (i never majored in psychology, but reading psych articles has been a pastime of mine for years--- they have done many many studies with linguistics and behavior- whether that is to identify lying, identify sociopaths, identify state of mind-- it is very reliable to establish a person's way of thinking or mood.)

[@AmethystEyes]

Yes linguistics and behavioral analysis are important but it can be faulty when a person has one of two things 1)confirmation bias or 2)lie bias. I am a Psych minor and my friend is training to be a criminal profiler we talk about this all the time.

[@AmethystEyes]

Also, I have watched interviews and analysis with both Jim Clemente and James Fitzgerald for the past 2-3 years now and they both believed that the Ramsey's did it before coming on to this program. Looking back on it now I would rather have investigators with the same amount of experience as them, but without the bias (which is not their fault, they were involved with the case). Having independent and new investigators would lessen the confirmation bias considerably. Also, another member of the group, investigator James Kolar in the DA's office in Boulder wrote a book he wrote title " "Foreign Faction: Who Really Killed Jonbenet", where it he gave the theory for why each Ramsey could be responsible. Even though Burke was never suspected by the PD or DA. Kolar was too deep into this case to be able to look at this in a new light. Also, could you imagine him changing his theory that went with his book that he makes money from? I am not saying that they need to all agree with the intruder theory, because in the end it may be the Ramsey's, who knows? I just want to lessen bias. Thank you for getting through my long writing. :D lol

[@quantumleaper8396]

Patsys handwriting comparison did it for me

[@vernonfrance2974]

Here's the person who gave information to the true RN author. Patsy was not deemed likely to have written it by six experts hired by the BPD. www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/ This man was fingered by another expert: imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C

[@debrak8521]

Quantam Leaper Never been proven Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom letter.

[@loridobos7174]

The handwriting was actually not a match, the family was officially cleared in 2005.

[@Chikitew]

@@loridobos7174 the DA wrote an ill-informed letter stating the Ramsey’s had been cleared due to DNA evidence, even though this has still been highly contested since the DNA evidence has not provided a full profile. The family is still under suspicion from the Boulder police.

[@davida1251]

@@loridobos7174 there were curious similarities in her letters and word choices and she wasn't originally eliminated. A lot of things from circumstantial evidence point to the coverup. The note itself is awkward having been written inside, also lengthy for a ransom letter, a referenced kidnapping and yet strangely is a death, has inside knowledge of John's bonus total, unusually addresses John in a condescending tone, reflects the Ramsey's are "not well rested", and Patsy wore her clothes and makeup from the night before. Along with the female detective's observations in the morning with John Ramsey's odd lackadaisical behavior, there is suspicion and hints of a coverup. The mere chance of all these coincidences happening continue to point to a coverup as the logical choice. One would hope that the Ramseys are completely innocent and would not do such a thing to their daughter, or protect Burke with such actions, so I guess the truth and justice can only be served in their deaths if a God of morality exists.

[@jessier.4237]

Everyone needs to listen to the full 911 call, and watch the Psychologist question Burke as a little boy,. And why is Patsy still fully dressed in the previous evening's clothes the next morning? Why did she hang up on 911 dispatch? Why did Jon and Patsy botch the whole home/crime scene and invite guests over the next morning? If the Ramsey's did not do it, why did they go to great lengths to destroy all evidence? Nancy does not believe it was Burke or Jon, so that leaves Patsy guilty. My suspicion is that Burke hit JonBenet so hard that she was knocked unconscious while playing. I believe Patsy wrote the ransom letter. One of the 3 murdered JonBenet, and Patsy and Jon covered it all. Still one of the most fascinating unsolved cases.

[@zzzthaoster]

The undigested pinapples in Jonbenet's tummy did it for me. They/she was still eating pinapples when the killing happened. Therefore it's not an outside intruder, it's one of the family members. The parents have no reason to kill their own little daughter. Burke has viciously attacked her before with a golf club, he did it. This time he intended to hurt her more for what ever reason and he struck her over the head real hard cracking her skull killing her. That's how kids are, they attack each other, and every time it progresses, it gets worst.They seemed/appeared like the perfect family, what else are the parents to do but stage a cover up if they can help it. That's why they didn't want burke to be any part of the investigation(s) and claimed he was always in his room.

[@rajanigurung445]

true that.

[@lennyloo7794]

Kenny Palmer you're comment doesn't make sense! The whole reason the pineapple was partially digested was because she was killed after she ate it! The body keeps on digesting food after you have died as your stomach still contains acid & doesn't stop just because you are dead! Pathologists can tell time of death from looking at food & how digested it is & in what part of the digestive system its in. As the pineapple was in her stomach & had not passed into her intestines this means she was killed very soon after eating it.

[@USArmy91222]

it's possible Burke may have killed her but it doesn't make any sense why the parents would go through such trouble trying to cover it up..you'd think they'd immediately call an ambulance for help rather then spend all night staging a kidnapping,just makes no sense..it's seems more believable pasty ramsey lost her temper,killed jonbenet then tried to cover it up..JMO

[@jalynnhelton2500]

The only problem with that sceneries is the blow to the skull didn't kill her. strangulation two hours later finished the job, so did the boy do that or did the parents do it.

[@sclgable]

"Burke has viciously attacked her before with a golf club, he did it." Wrong. It wasn't a "vicious attack." Nice embellishing. He accidentally clipped her when she was standing behind him. Burke was never a suspect. Don't equate your speculations with the facts.

[@ezekielmajor5511]

Patsy was in the same clothes the next morning because they were up all night trying to figure out what to do. That's the only explanation for her being in the same clothing. The first police on the scene messed up the entire case. In most cities, this case would have been solved easily.

[@mariedewitt5033]

They thought it was a kidnapping. Wine cellar was very remote

[@DWWild]

They reported it as kidnapping. The First police went through the house and found nothing. So they figured the child was not there and was likely primarily alive being held for money. Which is why they faked the kidnapping to distract from what really happened in the house.

[@Skipbo000]

If they were up all night when did the intruder commit the crime?

[@supercrazylegs1]

The only explanation? Or, she could have just put on the same clothes the next day if she didn't get them dirty that night. If she had killed JonBenet in those clothes, she would have gotten rid of them, or at least thrown them in the washing machine.

[@michaeld2716]

How come no police SNAP on John Ramsey for contaminating a crime scene? The dude knows better. Takes off the duct tape, drops THAT on the floor, then cross contaminates the chords by trying to untie them, THEN lifts a decaying, rigormortis body upstairs, sets it down in front of Det.Arndt, then while both are leaning over the body, and the smell of decay is sensed by Det. Arndt, the "observant of the obvious", John Ramsey asks Det.Arndt, is she dead? BTW. No mention of JonBenet's name is made in either the ransom note, OR the 911 call. This is called DISTANCING. The 911 call caught Burke in the background. This is denied, and then John Ramsey AGAIN, contaminates a crime scene, by making Burke's bed. Why? To cover up any investigation to find if Burke ever WAS in bed. THIS WHOLE THING IS A COVER UP. And THIS information happened in the opening hours. Look how much time was wasted looking for an intruder. What a mess. I have a saying, No other clothing has successfully covered up a lie, than a business suit and a matching tie. Ask the communist party.

[@joelhurt8868]

Give me a break, the family was involved. This isn't a case of who done it. It's a case of how money protects the guilty...

[@michaeld2716]

How come no police SNAP on John Ramsey for contaminating a crime scene? The dude knows better. Takes off the duct tape, drops THAT on the floor, then cross contaminates the chords by trying to untie them, THEN lifts a decaying, rigormortis body upstairs, sets it down in front of Det.Arndt, then while both are leaning over the body, and the smell of decay is sensed by Det. Arndt, the "observant of the obvious", John Ramsey asks Det.Arndt, is she dead? BTW. No mention of JonBenet's name is made in either the ransom note, OR the 911 call. This is called DISTANCING. The 911 call caught Burke in the background. This is denied, and then John Ramsey AGAIN, contaminates a crime scene, by making Burke's bed. Why? To cover up any investigation to find if Burke ever WAS in bed. THIS WHOLE THING IS A COVER UP. And THIS information happened in the opening hours. Look how much time was wasted looking for an intruder. What a mess. I have a saying, No other clothing has successfully covered up a lie, than a business suit and a matching tie. Ask the communist party.

[@PeebzAviation]

she’s literally saying indirectly that it was the mother

[@gloriarosenbach3424]

You are so right no one else there Patsy did it.

[@23JMRH]

It’s a case of how dmb the people are in Colorado. In NY, parents would have been arrested within an hour.

[@leehernandez9243]

The fact that no one was afraid that a killer could still be within the house is odd. That first detective you'd have thought would've taken everyone out of the house and made sure that they were safe and secure--Outside.

[@rauumais4290]

Wow good point!!!

[@Skipbo000]

No one was afraid about a killer in the house because the family wasn't afraid because they knew there wasn't one.

[@wioi]

​@@Skipbo000exactly

[@danielmann5427]

​@skipbo7035 even allowed their son to sleep alone in his bed - rather than keeping an eye on him every minute after

[@Beachandpool]

Wow, so many good LOGICAL, ANALYTICAL points from Nancy Grace! Love it!

[@kathleencastle8631]

And then a conclusion that she can't possibly know for sure

[@Trajan2401]

It was the father I'm positive when they done the autopsy there was evidence of vaginal trauma that had been going on for a while which would suggest it was someone she knew not a stranger even the first detective on the case strongly believes it was the father but just couldn't get enough evidence on him.When they searched for her the father went straight to the basement and found her and the detective said he didn't act like a normal parent would no real grief.She even said she sensed the killer was in the house she just had that feeling.Something doesn't add up it's almost like some cover up.

[@amandahugenkiss]

Maybe, but Patsy wrote the ransom note.

[@supercrazylegs1]

If he killed her, then there would be his DNA evidence on her underwear. Instead, there's unknown male DNA in her underwear, on her long underwear, and under her fingernails. John, Patsy, and Burke's DNA is absent from those three places.

[@chakesaleslie-dailey3559]

Patsy could have killed her and John was probably molesting her and patsy didn’t know. I only say that because I watched the jonbet movie and patsy look shocked when the detective told her that jonbenet had vaginal trauma

[@chakesaleslie-dailey3559]

@@amandahugenkisspatsy wrote the ransom note to cover for Burke

[@willowradke9005]

riddle me this..how did her dad know where she was if he's innocent?

[@Skipbo000]

he's not "innocent" but he covered up for son.

[@fayejordan175]

Because he did something the police didn’t do: he looked!

[@_koxo]

Because they all were looking for her PEA BRAIN

[@Skipbo000]

EXCELLENT question. Because he staged the crime scene to cover up for his only remaining son after he caused the accidental death of his sister.

[@79bewareofpuppies97]

@@Skipbo000 John covered for Patsy inflicting the head bash due to his incest and ligature strangulation. Patsy covered for John's incest and ligature strangulation due to her inflicting the head bash.

[@gabrielszarose5640]

The real reason for the cover up, is the question, + the mystery, behind the sexual abuse, we know both parents, tried to mess up, the investigation, on purpose, they were totally involved, with they're suspicious, behaviour, somehow they lucked out, + managed to escape, the allegations, of the crime.

[@FrankieG808]

where are all the psychics now!!!! no where to be found. that long Island medium lady needs to step up lo

[@bridgetryder5352]

A friend of mine is psychic and she says it was Burke.

[@mikeanthonyfitness]

franko columbo the closest we got was when john mark karr came out back in 2006 saying he killed her. My aunt is Dorothy Allison she was a Psychic Detective helping the family before she died in 98 and 6 months before she died she sketch John Mark Karr this all came out on Entertainment Tonight back in 2006 again and like my Aunt I to have abilities however no 2 people abilties are the same.

[@wryguy444]

You don't know? Hire a psychic.

[@carlosdyer5868]

That's because, they are all fulla baloney!

[@rdsieben]

@@wryguy444 a psychic is not admissible in court as evidence.

[@beckysciba54]

Does anyone on here wonder why Nancy did NOT say .. "Patsy didn't do this." Why didn't Nancy mention that? I think that is pretty obvious why. But she did say that she does not believe that John nor Burke did this. So, that leaves one person in the household responsible. The letter writer...

[@janedoh2625]

"Somebody in that house was guilty." "I do not think John Ramsey killed his daughter." "Burke Ramsey did NOT kill Jonbenet!" lol, guess we know who Nancy suspects ;) I tend to agree.

[@totteychep269]

YEESSSS ppl who say it's burke don't understand psychology

[@Skipbo000]

@@totteychep269 people who say it can't be Burke don't understand how kids can rough house and accidents happen nevermind the fact that he hated her.

[@rauumais4290]

So her mom? This is so baffling. So unsettling. It’s amongst those 3 people. 😭 could be John, could be Burke, could be Patsy

[@fifi19ism]

@@totteychep269 there are child killers i just watched a true crime on an 8 year old boy who killed another little boy.

[@Skipbo000]

You're right but Burke Ramsey did cause the accidental death of his sister. Not everything is an evil murder plot. People die of all kinds of things all the time.

[@valelucia2211]

In this case i think that they used her daughter for dirty pornography shit, and a really weird thing happened with the sexual act (an accident), and for that reason her head was founding knoking.. i thik that the family of this child was not a normal family. Burk is not the only member from the Ramsey's family that smiled about the JonBennet's case.. the dad smiled too on tv.. they are obviously guilty (all the family members)..... the letter was written from the hand of JonBennet's mother... please wake up people.. this little girl was dressed up like a provocative women and was just a little girl with 6 years old (this is not enough evidence for you guys????).. sorry for my english is beacause i'm latina... This child JonBennet was clearly abbused in all the senses of the word... Remember that this mom was very ambicious mother and her housband too... they used this girl for obviously more money and power....

[@claudiacooper1934]

I think your theory is right on. Burke may also have been sexually abused; a possible cause of his strange behavior.

[@SlimKeith11]

If you watched the dr Phil interview he explains the smiling REALLY well, NO COP would EVER convinct someone because they were smiling nervously or smiling remembering something 25 years later.

[@valentinesolko4039]

Same

[@debrak8521]

@@SlimKeith11 And no cop would ever convict anyone who was not smiling remembering something that happened 20 years ago.

[@Skipbo000]

yeah just no evidence for any of that.

[@symula]

Everyone says they waited for the call to come in that day. Well, the person must have written this note before 12:00 AM. In other words-they must have written the note on Christmas night (while they were out at the christmas party or after they got home but before --12:00-- AM) because the writer says they will call tomorrow-- "tomorrow" would mean the next morning or the day they found the note and the body. So the Ransom note was written and possibly placed on the steps all before midnight. SO that leaves at least 7 or 8 hours that the ransom note was written before it was discovered. It also sounds to me like it was supposed to be a phone call and not a ransom note because of the opening statement "Listen Carefully!" That is why the letter wasn't pre-written. Everything is also written in future perfect tense and there is a more European style in the word usage--definitely not someone who knows about or is involved in the Southern culture. But then they go on to use the article "an" in "an earlier drop off" but then they say "a" in "a earlier pick up". People either use articles correctly or they do not. They don't use the same words in the same sentence and insert the wrong article. Also, why would the writer state that it was important for John to be well rested because it will be exhausting.. that seems like a huge clue and possibly a double meaning statement. "I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier pick-up of your daughter." (hence?) Also interesting is the flip flop between We and I throughout-I find it odd that the writer states "I will call you" .. I do like the movie lines thrown in but why would you take the time to do that? ANother big clue- Anyways-just a few thoughts on this --

[@walterdupreejr2189]

Wow, I have been trying to figure that case out for so many years,all the senerios, and more but your take on it is so much more interesting and ommiting logical, makes immensely more sense than anything I've heard and even thought of. Tho you haven't solved the crime, seems like you are the only one who has the headstart on a new avenue tho ride down, unless that senerio was not investigated because it's the way it occurred (bigger) conspiracy, . Great job!!!

[@freddie3206]

BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER, I THINK SHE DIED BEFORE MIDNIGHT, BECAUSE THE DATE OF DEATH ON HER HEADSTONE READS DECEMBER 25, 1996 GIVEN BY THE PARENTS. SO THEY KNEW WHEN SHE DIED BEFORE MIDNIGHT BECAUSE THEY DID IT.

[@Jade-pd3wm]

I think they were protecting the son. I think it was a tragic accident and they panicked coming up with the whole scenario.

[@chandraross1506]

Yes

[@RobertWardDavidson]

You nailed it

[@zzzthaoster]

Yes, that is the reason.

[@Jason2-legit]

Could not disagree with you more. It makes zero sense at all.

[@mirai1209]

Okay, so you’re saying he accidentally raped her too?

[@RubyStar4]

One thing I'm sure of is.. it was an inside job! Maybe the Ramseys or maybe inside their pageant circle of friends. It would have to be someone who knew the house very well and time wasn't of the essence.

[@Skipbo000]

The goal is to break into the house, get the girl out of her bedroom and kill her inside the house while her family are all sleeping. When would time NOT be of the essence?

[@ruirui9490]

The thing that really baffles and scares me, is the fact that there is a huge "list" of people that could have/wanted to hurt/harm/murder this poor little INNOCENT girl. So many possibilities and possible "suspects" it's grossly eearily disturbing and quiet shockingly sad. Poor JonBenett 💔😥😱

[@Skipbo000]

yes and a group of martians could have done it, but even the martians aren't stupid enough to a write a 3 page ransom letter that they don't follow up on and leave her body with all the DNA evidence in the house. Motive and opportunity points to a covering up of an accidental death on the part of Burke Ramsey. this the act of parents saving their last remaining child.

[@Tatti2202]

The only suspects were and are the ramseys. This was not a dna case there was no evidence to support the intruder theory but plenty to support 1 or both of the parents being involved

[@trishatate327]

@@Skipbo000 There is DNA evidence that exonerates the family. There is DNA that was collected by Boulder police that has not been tested yet , but the bungling dunce detectives are with holding it from being tested, and Boulder police department, won't replace those detectives and put new ones on it.

[@tiffsaver]

This is why I HATE baby "beauty contests." They only attract pedos.

[@Skipbo000]

really? this little girl had a list of people who wanted to MURDER her?? wow i can't wait to hear who is on the list. Should cute, beautiful children everywhwere be afraid??

[@biljanabonner3158]

2021! Yes we do still care about JonBenet Ramsey! We need justice for JonBenet⚖️⚖️⚖️

[@_Tony_87]

It’s never going to happen the Evidence was bungled as Nancy said 🚬

[@chiefswife1212]

Never gonna happen!! They all walked away!!

[@astar9280]

yes he did. Not intentionally but he did it.

[@82Ispy]

Yes it was an accident by the boy but parents took it to a whole new level! Huge mistake and the entire cover up

[@paulaacosta9954]

really? proofs? a 9 years old strangled her too and molested her? do you know who Elizabeth Ramsey was?

[@karlakirkpatrick8927]

believe so

[@diabeticdiaries7954]

No, Somebody was in that house that night.

[@shantilwarner577]

DiabeticDiaries nope....the family knows exactly what went down

[@andrewholland7712]

Burke did it the Notes clearly written by Patsy as they Panicked. They should have Told the Truth and Seeked serious help for Burke..

[@spiritualchic]

Nancy speaks straight facts 100% of the time. She says it like it is.

[@beckysciba54]

I love her approach and no nonsense grit!

[@karenearl2579]

So if the killer was "already in the house" and Burke admittedly got back up after everyone went to bed. then why didn't the "intruder" bother him ?

[@darkhorse9472]

Karen Earl- Burke never said he got back up.

[@regoondistortedkid8500]

@@darkhorse9472burke himself said that he snuck up after everybody else went to bed on the dr phil show u numbnut.

[@regoondistortedkid8500]

so who is the bullshitter now?

[@darkhorse9472]

@@regoondistortedkid8500 There is no truth to that statement.

[@lindsaythomson5539]

Actually burke and his father (I read in the book) were downstairs because when they came home he wanted the father help him put a model (or something)togeather...i think they all took turns goeing up and down the stares..once little jonbonne was up they were all up..all the excitement of Xmas and their trip

[@sweetdixie8498]

God knows who did it

[@ryguy1314]

god knows nothing

[@sippingonthatmessytea7285]

Authentic Makeup he knows everything

[@loriaverill5616]

People don't understand that you can't escape god from the sins they commit. Amen.

[@loriaverill5616]

@@ryguy1314 it's you who knows nothing and mocking someone because they believe god watches everything we do is just an stupid thing to do.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

If god knows "who did it" then why does god speak up.

[@Msapril5angels]

The older brother did it. It was an accident at first ( hit over the head with a flashlight)then the parents covered it up.

[@paulaacosta9954]

No

[@bfullilove1]

Msapril5angels agreed

[@aleciabjorlie3103]

Msapril5angels .... what is so bizarre, is the contents of the suitcase. The blanket covered in semen and a Dr. Seuss book. This belonged to the elder son of John Ramsey.

[@SAVETHEKIDS-bn5zo]

Jonbenet was hit in the head after the strangulation get a grip and read about the case get your facts right what a dingbat

[@Kkkkkkmmm1111]

Msapril5angels flashlight must be having fingerprints

[@judithpittman1233]

exactly !! it was staged and a big cover up. I believe the brother had a lot to do with it.

[@atheist1855]

So...the FBI is wrong...or lied? Nancy is part of the media who demonizes innocent people and destroys them....The FBI cleared the family...the killer left prints and DNA all over the house and crime scene....the FBI knows what happened and why...where the guy is...Brazil...problem...no extradition to the USA... Nancy...a former prosecutor..does not know this? Nancy in 1997 assured her viewers that the guard at the olympics in Atlanta was guilty....demonized him, etc, the guy lost his job, house, reputation, was in jail, no bail, was indicted by a grand jury..his mom had a stroke..the guy was 100% innocent...as the Ramsey s are...the 2nd D.A. (hates Ramsey with passion) she had no choice, but to write an apology letter exculpating the whole family.

[@brittbratt9686]

First off, the FBI was no longer involved once it became it a homicide investigation. The FBI had never seen a 2.5 page ransom note until then and they haven't seen one since. No other "kidnapping victim" has ever been found in the home. Secondly, the FBI did NOT clear the family. Mary Lacy, former DA (who was DA after Alex Hunter) "cleared" the Ramsey's based on a "butt imprint" found in the home. Neither DA Lacy or DA Hunter hated the Ramsey's. In fact, they pushed for Ramsey innocence. Third, the DNA in this case is touch/trace DNA. That means 1) It's in small amounts and 2) It can come from anywhere. Sneezing, coughing, innocently rubbing/touching another person or animal, not using sterile instruments during the autopsy, etc. It could even come from the person who made/packaged the panties she was found in. The DNA BARELY met the MINIMUM requirements to be entered into CODIS in 1997. The minimum makers at the time was 13. Now, in 2017, CODIS requires DNA to have at least 20 markers. The DNA was first thought to belong to 1 unidentified Hispanic male. Now? It can possibly belong to 6 different individuals. In fact, a Grand Jury voted to indict the Ramsey's on two charges each. 1) Child abuse that resulted in the death of a child under the age of 16 and 2) Accessory to murder. DA Alex Hunter refused to take the indictments to trial.

[@brittbratt9686]

Even an FBI agent who worked on the case when it was still being investigated as a kidnapping (before JonBenet was found and it turned into a homicide investigation) said that they had never seen anything like that before and haven't seen it since. Learn FACTS on the case before you spread false information.

[@loriaverill5616]

I feel sorry for anyone that has to go to trial and has people like you and the rest of the people on here making accusations about this family serve on their jury cause you are so close minded that you would have them guilty before you even take your seat in the jury box and they would be unable to receive a fair trial.

[@loriaverill5616]

@@brittbratt9686 the Grand Jury may have recommended to indict the Ramseys but it's at the District Attorney's discretion on whether or not a person gets indicted on criminal charges and a Prosecutor will not indict someone on criminal charges when they have lack of evidence to prove there case. Besides the Ramseys were cleared in 2008 of any criminal wrongdoing in the murder of JonBenet and they cleared the family based upon DNA testing cause it proved they didn't murder her.

[@GARYBRUNDAGEMUSIC]

Nancy Grace had such a valuable opinion. I love the fierce passion she puts into everything. I do disagree with the Burke Ramsey part though. I 100% believe it was him. The CBS investigation says it all. You can hear Burke Ramsey talking in that 911 call it is unmistakably a child talking.

[@beckysciba54]

I agree with you, Gary. I DO NOT believe that John Ramsey killed his daughter. BUT, he knows who did, and had to cover it up. I have always believed that Patsy OR Burke killed her by accident .. not intentionally. Patsy either killed her out of some kind of rage, or Burke killed her out of anger over something. Perhaps he got tired of ALL the attention to JonBenet. Who knows... I don't believe John did this. But he knows who did, and either the killer is now deceased, or it's Burke Ramsey. And BTW .. I have always admired Nancy Grace's no nonsense approach, and her grit! Need more like her!

[@tuphelo]

Yes, i agree BURKE DID it, parents try to cover it up

[@joelenepoling6863]

I also agree with all of you i think the parents felt like they lost one child they didn't want to loose two ..

[@DickRiderrrr]

JonBenet was sexual Abused a 9 year old dose't even know that that is.

[@TheXmeimei]

Nancy Grace is the only TV personality who speaks her mind, no nonsense, no sugarcoating, no bullshit. She was a prosecutor, that alone wins me over. I'd take a loud Nancy the prosecutor than a johnn-cockroach the defense, any day of a week. Her show is always about being the voice for victims.

[@2387Praise]

I think Burke killed JonBenet. Burke woke up hungry he went downstairs to get pineapple and milk. JonBenet then woke up probably to use the bathroom or she woke up because she Peed on herself. She saw a light on downstairs went downstairs to see what was going on. She then saw her brother in the kitchen eating pineapple. Then she went over grabbed it with her fingers and ate a piece. Burke then got mad at JonBenet for eating his pineapple. JonBenet then ran downstairs to the basement Burke went chasing after her grabbed the flashlight from the kitchen and ran downstairs. Burke soon caught up with JonBenet then hit her with the flashlight on her head. Burke then realized what he had done. He then grabbed JonBenet and dragged her to the other room. He then ran back upstairs went back in his room and pretended to fall asleep. Patsy and her husband both woke up to the noise and checked the house and the rooms. They both saw Burke in his bed "sleeping" and went to check JonBenet's room and found her missing so they went to check around the house for her. They then went down to the basement and checked the rooms and then found JonBenet's body on the ground. Patsy then screamed and Bourke got out of his bed and ran to the basement. Then that's when they had their conversation "what did you do" -Patsy "we're not talking to you" John "oh Jesus oh Jesus" -Patsy "what did you find"-Burke? Burke thought he was slick trying to play it off. When he probably killed his sister. Then the parents wanted to cover it up by strangling her even though she was already dead, or slowly dying. Or Burke could have done all of that to her then went upstairs. I don't know. I just want this solved. It's very sad it's taking over 20 years to solve this case😤 Pasty knew what she was doing when she invited their friends over. She knew that once they came in the house the evidence would be tampered with. She knew she had the power to control the investigation. It’s funny how the cop told Dad to check the house again and he went downstairs to the basement and went straight to the room and found the body? Wasn’t that door locked/jammed The first time the house was checked? So why all of a sudden he can open the door was it really jammed or was it locked for a reason? And Burke was not asleep during the time of this event. When Burke had the interview with that man and he showed him the picture of the pineapple and the cup of tea on the table to him and asked what this picture means to him, Burke hesitated for a while and he was trying to play it off and say Umm a bowl..... (2 minutes later) maybe it could be cereal?... I mean really I can look at that picture and see all the textures of the pineapple and know that its not cereal even though It had milk in it but still. He was lying the whole time. Because he knew if he said what it was the man would ask more questions about the picture. And about why he never finished the pineapple. He knew he was in some boiling water.... This case needs to be opened again and SOLVED! It’s not over! 😤😤😤 They need to put Burke on a lie detector test.

[@lillieemartinez1375]

Praise2387 dang I can imagine this

[@MsSparklesNGlitter]

I 100% agree, when the autopsy on her body was done, it was revealed she had that pineapple that was left undigested in her stomach. That pineapple couldn't have come any earlier than the night she died or it would have been digested. The weird ransom note also completely debunks any theory of a kidnapper/break in. It is also odd that the "unknown male" DNA found on the little girl's panties, was not found anywhere else on that scene. Not on the broken window glass, not on the window frame, not on staircase and not even on what was allegedly used to strangle her. How is that even possible? the kidnapper leaves DNA on the panties but not anywhere else? it was also only trace DNA, such a small amount that it could have come from anywhere.

[@MsSparklesNGlitter]

@Eric B The pineapple is the key that changes the claims of his parents that JonBenet never got up that night. Since she had undigested pineapple in her stomach it meant that was the pineapple she ate so she had to be up and not in her bed all night like the parents claimed

[@loriaverill5616]

DNA testing cleared him and his parents in 2008. Good lord even when there's DNA testing done and law enforcement officers are able to clear her family y'all still want to say they are guilty. How would you feel if someone murdered your 6 year old daughter and you, your husband and your 9 year old son are still being accused of killing your daughter even though forensic evidence through a DNA test proves you didn't? Most likely JonBenet's parents were shielding her brother from reporters and media scum in general. Plus their daughter was murdered and it's not uncommon for parents to become overly protective of their other kid/kids because something like that can provoke fear that it might happen again so you become overly protective and not want to let your kid out of your site.

[@loriaverill5616]

Oh yeah and polygraph tests aren't admissible in a court of law whether it be state or federal court.

[@Roxyluv23]

Burke freaking did it. We all know that. What infuriates me is that he's out there living his life when he should be behind bars.

[@ladydeanna3775]

I’m sure his life isn’t good. He may have money but he isn’t living to his full potential because he’s a mental case.

[@selinazollman6250]

Here,here, totally agree, they act like because he was just 9, didnt stop the two that killed the bulgar child.

[@herlastvoyage]

Have you seen the interviews he's done? The dude can't stop smiling.

[@mariecohen3052]

He was only 9 May be some mental issues I don’t think he intentionally killed her

[@vernonfrance2974]

_Rpseeee No. He freaking did not. Here is the facilitator: www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/ She had given information to point the finger of guilt at the Ramsey's while she helped accomplices.

[@GravityBoy72]

Burke Ramsey was up and about after everyone else was asleep. Which is a new piece of information from his own mouth in the last few weeks. I think Burke had something to do with it. It certainly wasn't an intruder that killed JonBenet.

[@darkhorse9472]

Gravityboy-Liar

[@crispyasfuck2856]

Yeah the 10 year old boy used a garrot on his sister 🤡🤡

[@tobytyaunnjackson6969]

Nancy Grace looks like the leprechaun from the horror movie

[@rogergoddard1234]

Whew. And I thought it was just me.

[@rogergoddard1234]

I was thinking Reagan from the exorcist. But she is still possessed.

[@karlakirkpatrick8927]

looks like justice to me

[@karlakirkpatrick8927]

more like the face of justice

[@rogergoddard1234]

you must be her cousin or something.

[@protochris]

Take away the bogus ransom note, and all you have is a dead child in the basement of a house where her parents had been the whole night. Without that note, there's no urgency to discover the body. The Ramsey's already had a flight planned to leave the next day and would to have left their daughter dead in the basement. They had to make a decision, bury their daughter or let the stench fill up the house. There are possibly reasons why an intruder would have written that note, but there's only one reason why the Ramsey's wrote it.

[@sueskeie4627]

Right on!

[@fayejordan175]

The Ramseys did not write the note.

[@Skipbo000]

There are no reasons why anyone intent on doing harm to Jon Benet would write that note.

[@Skipbo000]

@@fayejordan175 Patsy absolutely did.

[@fayejordan175]

@@Skipbo000 again, I firmly disagree. So who made the garrote? Patsy? Please give me a break.

[@jakealden2517]

Clearly, the father did it. Just watch the interview with the only detective (Linda Arndt) left alone for hours in that home. How can Nancy Grace not hold the police department accountable for only sending one detective into a crime scene and leaving her there?

[@Skipbo000]

again, no motive for the father to do it. the only person with a motive is Burke and i think he did it accidentally.

[@jakealden2517]

@Barbara Sowak I wonder why Linda Arndt hasn't revealed who she thinks killed her after all these years. You think Arndt knew it was the father? In her interview she mainly talks about the father.

[@_1ben]

@@Skipbo000 a 9 year old spoiled, spoon fed needy child, not only killed her but fooled season homicide detective(s), fbi, media, and never changed his story, legend has it he murdered Elvis as well

[@debrak8521]

Jake Alden Detective Linda Arndt retracted what she said and promised Patsy Ramsey on her death bed that she would continue to search for JonBenet's killer.

[@leehernandez9243]

it was Christmas, Eve Day and morning After. The police were doing Christmas themselves.

[@placida34]

Nancy, where have you been? This is the first time I’ve seen you in a long time. Is this video new, or was it made some time ago? I, for one, miss hearing from you. Hope all is well with you and your family.

[@Nickkolakowski316]

Agree with everything she said until the end . Burke Ramsay did do it . Case closed

[@ma_ria_rosa]

I agree. He did it and the parents tried to cover it.

[@paulaacosta9954]

proof?

[@dorothygallo4166]

Nick Kolakowski

[@shantilwarner577]

Nick Kolakowski yes he did

[@NickDeruiter]

What about the DNA on the underwear?

[@Illustrious-Frame-69]

so clearly the person responsible was familiar with the house's layout. If JonBenet was taken from her room then that person apparently wasn't concerned that they could suddenly be surprised by one of the Ramseys waking up and catching them.

[@dennistrull1475]

It didn't just happen that way. It was orchestrated. Maybe sloppy, but it has worked. Diversion with the kidnapping note. No note, they would have been down town by noon.

[@23JMRH]

Wrong. The note was fake AF. Any other city and they would have been charged by noon.

[@misslaura199]

I could listen to this woman all day, I love her accent

[@pauldeangelis7481]

I think and always have thought it was an accident within the home whether it be the mother or most likely, the brother and the parents had to cover-up for their son and they’re just bad actors. Bad liars fumbled around idiotically had a lot of money to throw at law-enforcement, and got to take it all to the grave.

[@eizabethevans3054]

The Ransome note always baffled me, I feel that is so strange, why would the killer write such a long ransom note ,or a note at all they could easily found a way to contact the Ramsey's once away from the crime scene.

[@Skipbo000]

good point - an outside killer wouldn't.

[@DWWild]

Because when you are lying, you explain more than you should, that is why a long crazy note. Big Lie

[@kathleencastle8631]

Burke wrote it to fool his parents

[@humanbeing5300]

Brother killed her in a jealous rage, parents felt guilty and to blame due to their obsession with their daughter, and covered it up to protect him.

[@calmilkxo]

nancy grace is so shady and straight up I don't understand how she keeps her job but I love her

[@TheXmeimei]

Nancy Grace is the only TV personality who speaks her mind, no nonsense, no sugarcoating, no bullshit. She was a prosecutor, that alone wins me over. I'd take a loud Nancy the prosecutor than a johnn-cockroach the defense, any day of a week. Her show is always about being the voice for victims.

[@loriaverill5616]

You love shady people like her and the rest of the media scumbags?

[@rajanigurung445]

the brother killed her with a torch. jealously maybe? the mother wrote the letter. 3 pg long. 21 minutes approximately * could hear the 3 of them talking after the 911 call. patsey claiming that burt was "asleep" during that time period. the father played along carried the body to the basement.

[@rogergoddard1234]

According to Colorado law, Burke Ramsey was too young to ever be charged for the killing. Even if there was definite evidence he did it, and he confessed. So stop worrying about his Miranda rights. Mute point.

[@kegabeerpray4snow297]

I totally agree! Burke had already "accidentally" hit her in the head with a golf club. He admitted that on the Dr. Phil show. He was an angry boy whose parents attention was soulfully placed on Jonbenet and her pagents. He smeared his feces on her Christmas present and in her bed! I agree that he probably snapped when she may have grabbed a piece of his pineapple out of his bowl. There was only Burkes and Patsys DNA on that bowl, but there was pineapple in her stomach! It didn't take that hard of a blow to crack the scull of a six year old girl which he clearly demonstrated in his interview with the child phycoligest after the murder when he was 9 years old. BTW, why didn't the kidnappers or murders ever call back with additional "ransom" instructions?!

[@sclgable]

+kegabeer pray4snow Thanks for solving the case Sherlock. Stupidity at its finest. Btw...it's psychologist, not, phycoligest.

[@rogergoddard1234]

makes more sense than a small foreign faction who only wanted a very low and odd six figure sum as ransom for a girl they had already murdered. This much misdirection is to take away focus from simple truth. Whatever that truth may be, one thing is certain. The misdirection worked.

[@sclgable]

Roger Goddard According to Detective Lou Smith, there was substantial evidence of an intruder, and former FBI criminal profiler, Candice DeLong agrees there was an intruder, and said the killer was a pedophile, and a sadistic psychopath. She said parents don't kill their children with garrotes. The experts make more sense than these ridiculous comments about Burke.

[@joannedixon1281]

For the first time l am hearing that she was hit on the head and still unconscious for 45 minutes to 2 hours later she was killed with the rope. That is a long time for a kidnapper to decide to just kill her and leave the ransom note. I think someone in the family killed her.

[@Skipbo000]

Burke - accidental death

[@Allhoney33]

Patsy….it finally caught up with her. Only an adult can inflict that type of damage

[@Skipbo000]

The motive, ability nor the timeline is there for the mother, Nancy. This is not Tot Mom. Burke had the motive whether on purpose or accidental, the history and the time. His parents, then, had all the reason in the world to stage the scene and cover for him. Motive and opportunity are so very important in this case. The rhelm of possiblity is also great. None of us were in that house that night - a whole host of possibilities exist in regards to the actions of Burke and his sister during those late night hours. One thing we do know for sure: Patsy wrote that letter and when you understand the contempt of a sibling expressing itself intentionally or unintentionally matched with the love of a mother and a smart lawyer, things begin to fall into place. That letter was a huge misstep on the parent's part and that alone should have been enough to charge them with conspiracy to a crime. A charge which says, we aren't saying you killed her but we think you particpated in some way in the commission and covering up of a crime. Patsy WROTE that letter - don't ever forget that.

[@jeffbengert2863]

Yes, I believe that is correct.

[@fayejordan175]

They would not have covered for him. No way!

[@Skipbo000]

@@fayejordan175 why not? you think a mother loves a child more than the other? faced with having to lose both her children you don't think she would do anything to try and save one?

[@fayejordan175]

@@Skipbo000 not when they would be treated differently than an adult anyway. It would have been an accident. None of that happened though. This was done by a creep intruder. None of the family was involved!

[@Skipbo000]

@@fayejordan175 If Patsy hadn't written the note, I would be able to consider the intruder theory.

[@colettesouza4605]

I went and seen Sylvia Browne in Coos Bay ,Or at the Mill Casino .While she signed my books I asked her who killed her she told me"look within the family The Care Taker did it"

[@Usernameusername206]

I would love to hear more on what she thinks about this case like exactly how she thinks it all took place. I have always thought it was an accident covered up. It could have been Patsy having a fit of rage, or Burke. Burke seems too goofy then, and now to have kept the secret though. Definitely John knows who did it!

[@bethryan9077]

The Ramseys were exonerated finally in 2008 due to all the evidence that showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since.

[@Usernameusername206]

@@bethryan9077 Justice was served anyway.

[@fayejordan175]

None of the family did it.

[@Usernameusername206]

@@fayejordan175 Patsy wrote the note

[@fayejordan175]

@@Usernameusername206 Patsy Ramsey did not write the note. The handwriting experts ruled her a 4.5 match with 5 being no match.

[@michaelunderwood6658]

I can’t get a grip on someone within the family garroting her ….there are are photos of the scar left from this fit of anger & rage ….who did that ?

[@KatelynDawn]

After reading the JonBenet Ramsey chapter in John Douglas’ The Cases that Haunt Us (the writer of mindhunter and the man who birthed forensic psychology and criminal profiling at the FBI in the 70s and consulted on 1000s of cases including the Atlanta Child Murders which he helped solve) I have changed my opinion. I do not believe the Ramseys did this. I think it was an intruder, someone who wanted to make John Ramsey pay, someone who knew the layout of the home and knew what he got for his bonus. There’s just no motive for the parents to do this, and the DNA found under her fingernails and in her underwear doesn’t match the Ramseys. But no matter which scenario you look at there are things that don’t add up so it is infuriating! But I do think it is possible for this case to be solved if they get a DNA match through CODIS

[@fayejordan175]

You are correct. The Ramseys didn’t hurt their daughter and the brother didn’t do it.

[@fayejordan175]

Someone angry or jealous of John.

[@Donotevengotherewithme]

There's a problem with that theory though. Whomever left the ransom note felt at ease almost and not concerned with getting caught. The practice letter too. It would have taken someone 30-45 minutes to think that garbage up, practice it and then write the actual note. Not to mention, it wasn't a short note either.

[@Skipbo000]

John Douglas went into the investigation not believing the family had anything to do with it. John's experience was also his main handicap. He went into to with his head full of a career's worth of horrific murders, profiling psychopaths and working around complicated crime scenes. This case was none of those things. It was simply a case of Accidental Death caused by the brother and two panicked, but loving parents covering for their one remaining son by writing a ransom note and staging a crime scene. Everyone forgot to give Burke the attention that was warranted. His parents protected him and shielded him from talking to the police or even being available starting on that first day. Whatever foreign DNA is found will not solve this case because there will be no match to anyone in a database. The foreign DNA is so small and therefore inconsequential. It could be the DNA of anybody - from the sales clerk in the underwear dept. to the factory worker in china who sewed them.

[@haleybug9292]

I agree 100% look at the evidence it points to one person in that house . The note, the not getting caught in the house, and the paint brush … fibers on the tape and string. Point blank it points to that one person!

[@larry-kp9sp]

No it doesnt

[@Periwinkleblue.]

Whatever you may think of Nancy Grace, she has a strong conviction for justice. She genuinely cares for the victims of crime.

[@5954ldydi]

I agree 100%. Although I am still hoping advancements in DNA & forensics will help to solve this case. Beyond heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what this family has gone through -and is still going through.

[@lindziodowd8609]

With the new documentary they claim it's there they just have to find it. I have my own opinions

[@Skipbo000]

The DNA is useless. Everyone's DNA is everywhere because they all love there!! Gonna have to solve the old fashioned way. Which character in this story answers every question ? Do you know when you kid is lying to you? What is your sixth sense tell you about Burke's interview with Dr. Phil and his sessions when he was kid?

[@killerheelscrime]

This is not a dna case

[@kellyjacquin715]

Best Nansy Grace interview ive ever seen. ⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@jeandixson5610]

21/26/21 💔Rest in Peace sweet baby girl.

[@audrahollis5364]

I think Nancy just told us who SHE thinks killed this child. And I absolutely agree. Jonbenet was found in a room that the maid didn't even know about

[@rishardharrijonson6406]

u also are an idiot. ...

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Yes, I am speculating, but I think JonBenet was dead after Burke hit her on the head with the flashlight and then the cover-up. But, I agree as to why the parents would want to cover it up, if it was an accident. Maybe they thought Burke would be arrested? I don't know, but, there are still unanswered questions with this scenario, as well, as they "say" that unknown 'DNA" was also found on JonBenet. However, if anyone watched that show on TV about this case, they said that Patsy did call 911 (they have the recording). When Patsy hung up from the 911 call, the connection was not fully disconnected and the 911 operator heard someone in the background, probably a child, saying "what did you find" and a male saying "We are not talking to you." So, this case is really confusing and I personally think it will never be solved, unless someone confesses and I am hoping they do. Confession is good for the soul.

[@TheXmeimei]

They probly knew better, that Burke was still a child, and it was an accident. It's not the fear of their son going to prison motived them to cover it up, but they believed that if words got out, Burke would be forced to live in the shadow of killing his sister. Plus, they are Ramseys, who had this perfect family with a perfert image perfect reputation. They can not afford to ruin all that.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Xiaomin: Agreed. It seems a person's so-called "image" is more important and they will risk anything for it. Most people will even lie to keep their so-called "image." Makes me sick.

[@andymatteomusic]

I think people in the transformational leadership training networks are involved. I might have a weird connection to this and many other national events, or people involved in many other national events.

[@Beachandpool]

She is SO right on many points...

[@ruthcarter1360]

All I can say is this was one weird family, they all acted very suspiciously and things didn't quite add up with their story, secrets and cover up 🤔

[@freddie3206]

RUTH CARTER, I AGREE WITH YOU.

[@ruthcarter1360]

@@freddie3206 thanks 👍, this was a totally dysfunctional family, also shambolic investigation by those who were supposed to find Jonbenet's killer or killers!!! Still seeking the Truth ⚖️

[@candyyumyum9614]

The whole family stuck together which means they all took part in it, the dad has been molesting her for a while the mother found out and did nothing infact started hating and blaming her, she's threatened to tell someone, the brother murdered her and parents protected him and covered it up, the note was written by the mother the handwriting totally gave that away, everything looked staged the DNA that was found at the crime scene was planted, clearly they had planned to kill her it was done in a way to make her think she was playing a game the only reason why I the brother did it was he was probably sick of the family drama and wanted her to just stop. The whole ringing the pilot so they can leave, the mother dressed in the same clothes as earlier which means she didn't go to bed, the letter said they will kill her if they called the police which they did anyways why would you do that if you're told not to unless you already know she's dead. Even when the mother was being interviewed she was more on the defence side than a mother whose lost her child that's hurting, at one point she brings up the fact that she battled with ovarian cancer and her husband lost his daughter from a previous marriage to Almost paint a picture they could never do such a thing.

[@poetic_justice]

Nancy made these comments prior to release of that video where it takes Burke 10 minutes to say the word -- pineapple.

[@bluepoptart9327]

I love her. she is a smart women and hard to fool.

[@beckysciba54]

I totally agree!

[@Violet-fj8yd]

So Nancy is saying Patty did it including the SA?

[@adabell1833]

She wants to say the mother had done it ! But she’s not directly saying it

[@charlevoix2]

nancy grace is 100 percent right..i thought the same exact thing as she did.

[@deannawitt9376]

I agree with Nancy.

[@roxannadrake7186]

Thank You

[@brittanymazurat6458]

Nancy grace .the aunt who shows up blabbing like she knows wtf she’s talking about .

[@sallie6]

Police were arrived at 5.55 am...Patsy said in interviews that she woke up at 5.30 am, went into her bathroom to put on makeup and do her hair, stopped at laundry, then went down spiral stairs found note, ran back to John, they discussed what to do, phoned police ..."PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. I awakened that morning, probably somewhere between 5:30 and 6." "TOM HANEY: Okay. And how long do you think all that in the bathroom took? PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, 20, 30 minutes.".....Goes into Guest Bathroom Laundry - thinks about the cleaning of JonBenet's jumpsuit after trip - it had 2 suitcases with kids things trying to get ready for trip - says she was in there for more than 5 minutes. "PATSY RAMSEY: Five or ten or 16 minutes so how does this timeline work?????

[@theunsalted9195]

Her grave and Patsys are ten minutes away from me. My daughter and I broke into the cemetery late one night to visit, and I had no idea where it was so I said “JonBenet take us to where you lay” and my daughter was like “omg shut up”...and literally as we walked the first headstone I pointed my flashlight at was JonBenets, Patsy right next to it. We had walked right to it without stopping at any other gravestone. I always wanted to get a Ouija board and go there and ask who killed her and how, but I think it’s a whole level of wrong to bother the spirit of a murdered child. Plus my daughter doesn’t want to go back. I was surprised because she’s like me and not scared of much, and I said “are you afraid?” and she’s like “, no, it just feels really sad here, like really dark and depressing, the night even seems darker. I don’t like it.” So, we left.

[@Skipbo000]

1) the cemetary is not locked. 2) you're lying. 3) no one cares.

[@Allhoney33]

Patsy did it.

[@Arizona_lilly]

Back here again the story of my childhood the chriss watts were very close to the Boulder to Fredrick Colorado

[@elisamastromarino7123]

Well, I'll never go to sleep in my make-up anymore. And I sure as hell won't grab what I was wearing the night before to go down to breakfast - something that I do all the time on a work day...

[@amyfromflorida4518]

Apparently there was not definitely a practice note. There was a page on Patsy’s notepad that said Mr & Mrs I But the actual note was addressed to only John.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

Nancy is a lot smarter than people give her credit for.

[@lindsayvlogs4374]

I never understood the scenerio either why go thro all that trouble to write a ransom note if u was gonna just murder them I think someone snapped for whatever reason and then panicked and then spent the night plotting their stories the Big question tho is what happened the night before ? What was happening in life to someone for them to commit a brutal murder and then write a ransom note n put amount that husband bonus was ? This Family well Patsy and John had secrets , there is alot that is hidden i have a spirit box and my tarot im working on both now but i did a spirit box session with patsy ramsey i heard a few things so far i think someone lost their job and they kept it secret they said he owned a buismess im not sure ..Im hearing alot about money and my tarot reading first card shows income loss idk there is a missing link here im interested to hear the evp a couple hundred more times im desperate to know what they or she sacrificed her daughter for and who knows maybe it wasnt anyone in that house that did this but someone in that house knows who did tho grrr i have my own theory once i complete these readings if anyone is interested to know my theory ill be happy to have a little back m forth id love to hear what other people think, maybe ill make a video with the spirit box i hear alot it's the most connected ive ever been and im curious to know what other people hear Anyway sorry i rambled i have alot of feelings about this case i could go on and on ...... forgive my grammer and spelling its been a long day

[@paisley2739]

I agree with her! I think patsy was involved in it. Ive read all the books and have been studying it and i don’t think it was burke. Hes most likely just an odd awkward kid who was the quiet one. Considering they were at a holiday gathering the night before they could of had someone murder her for them, and kept quiet about it maybe🤔 I highly recommend the books though. They give all the details!!! #creepyparents lol

[@varushamungaroo3977]

i am from SOUTH AFRICA , and I am still baffled by this case, where is CRIME INVESTIGATION?????? YOU GUYS SOLVE SOME OF THE MOST CRAZIEST CASES WHY NOT THIS? THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE THE TRUTH?

[@gogogeedus]

every thing worked out perfect for the killers, they have managed to convince you it was the family, they passed in every aspect of this except the time line and DNA evidence failure, they left their DNA behind, and the little girl was obviously killed sometime during the morning of the 26th, john Ramsey did not know the girl was dead because obviously she was still warm. if she was killed during the night by morning she would be as stiff as a board, simple as that, she was probably killed because john Ramsey did not follow the instruction on the ransom note, when he looked at his mail he was looking for more written instructions from the kidnappers, deal with these facts.

[@TheXmeimei]

IF she was murdered by somebody outside of the family, then the Ramseys did a lot of stupid things to garner suspicion, like arranging to fly out of town within two hours after finding their daughter's cold dead body, who does that? And, they didnt grant the police a formal interview for FOUR months, meanwhile they went on TV speaking to reporters. And, then you still have that rediculous ransom "note", written inside the house, written with pen and paper belonged to the house. The kidnappers asked for a measly $118K when they could ask for a million dollars from the Ramseys.

[@darkhorse9472]

gogogeedus I agree with you 100%!!! These trolls on here are all haters with no life and no common sense. The Ramseys are innocent!!!

[@buddyslade5933]

The detective said father held her ‘stiff’ body out in front of him. She was died a while

[@Skipbo000]

killers don't leave the body ofa little they just murdered but didn't rape in her own house. plus, their DNA would be ALL over that child not just one little foreign piece in her panties. that DNA is a no match to any name in a data base. it could be the DNa of the sales clerk in the underwear dept to the factory worker who sewed them.

[@abshalommil-alsberg1997]

1. Yes I believe that the ransom note would be left exactly where it was. And why is that? Because that was the staircase in which Mr.-Mrs. Ramsey would have used naturally to access JonBenet most logically from their 3rd story master suite. This spot is well-traveled to access JonBenet directly from their 3rd story suite. 2. The ransom requested is highly questionable. Side-note: JonBenet was not a toddler. She was 6 years old. 3. To write a note with such personal and specific ransom demands is highly speculative since the child was never abducted out of the house to begin with. 4. The note is highly subjective being it was from Mrs. Ramsey's hidden legal pad within a drawer by the phone in the kitchen. It's even more fishy being so long and uber personal with highly probable causes it was Mrs. Ramsey's hand-writing. 5. Many serial killers are very intelligent, that's how they became serial without being caught. 6. S.B.T.C. has numerous antonym conclusions. S.B.T.C. also coincides with Mr. Ramsey's past. 7. No the alarm system not being alarmed doesn't disturb me. And why is that? Because Boulder is a small-sleepy town, and the Ramsey mansion is in an excellent wealthy location. 8. Yes it's highly suspicious that the Ramsey's nor any friends of Mrs. Ramsey invited in didn't speak of the 10.00 A.M. deadline passing. Note: The ransom note specified that they would call between 8-10 AM. Detective Arndt was there from 8:10 AM and beyond. 9. Yes it is believable that the intruder(s) molested and killed the child in the home. The house is approximately 6,800 square feet and 4 stories. The parents were at the top. Matter of fact, a neighbor heard a loud childs' scream during the night. From the basement room where the body was found; it was proven that the sounds acoustics could travel to the nearby neighbors house. 10. It could be that Mrs. Ramsey purchased the panties for a friend, and gave them to her daughter. It could also be because JonBenet was growing and she would grow into the panties soon. 11. The pineapple is highly speculative. What the Ramsey's said versus autopsy results is suspicious. 12. Mr. Ramsey was way up the chain of Navy. He may indeed know how to make an intricate garrote. However this mechanism also correlates with the Zodiac Killer's pattern. 13. I believe that the duct tape was used before she was dead, to subdue her cries for help. I do not believe that a stun gun was used because it doesn't knock one out, but accelerates the body. I believe that a piece of Burks train tracks were used to poke her. A piece was also found in the basement. 14. The spider web is highly speculative. From official reports the web couldn't be there because spiders were already hibernating for the winter. 15. I do believe that the Ramsey's are innocent. I also believe that JonBenet was being subjected to Satanic Ritual Abuse that went bad. Therefore, she was knocked on the head, and it went from there to cover it up after ritual abuse. Thoughts of a person from a legal US law family.

[@darkhorse9472]

Abshalom- I agree with you except I believe it was a stun gun. There was a blueish line left between the marks on her body, which indicates a stun gun making only partial contact with the skin. I also don't believe the satanic thing. I think its possible there were 2 people involved somehow. Maybe the plan was to kidnap JonBenet, but the person who was suppose to go in and get her was a psychopath and couldn't help himself...so the kidnapping was aborted..and the note was left behind. I also don't believe anything the boulder Police said..especially Arndt. Just my thoughts..obviously only the killer/s know.

[@red-wb7rx]

"she was gone so I didnt draw her" really creepily cold.. the face Burke pulled to the camera during that section of doctor phil interview was quite sick imo

[@consueloadame4463]

I love Nancy grace she is so straight out of you go girl

[@timelessmusicfamilymusic9175]

If the Ramsey's had a guest on a sleep over that night they would of taken the fall for JonBenet death.

[@asereth602]

I Love Nancy Grace... so much..I have so much respect for her... she is fabulous!!!

[@zovalentine7305]

No such thing as coincidence accident or mistake for ALL IS SYNCHRONOUS

[@abigailjimenez2148]

It will be solved one day.

[@SaraMadison1]

I agree

[@adaharrisonn]

Abigail Jimenez nah, my man. It's been 21 years.

[@loriaverill5616]

I hope and pray it does that way this sweet angel can finally have some peace. I never thought her parents and brother did this and whoever did do it left these people to spend the rest of their lives being drug through the mud.

[@loriaverill5616]

@@adaharrisonn I hate to break it to you but law enforcement officers are able to solve murders from like 40 years ago because of modern day technology and testing, especially DNA testing. Sometimes when cases like this become cold cases it can be because the person that committed a murder didn't have any prior arrests and convictions so they won't be in the national database system but once they slip up and get busted they get entered into the national database system.

[@Joy_b810]

A ransom note of three pages is very odd… plus a ransom note and a body in the same location just never happens. So many unanswered questions in this case, but I have always felt someone who lived in that house was responsible for what happened to that poor child.

[@Livelaughlove8585]

The brother couldnt have been tHgat strong enough to strangle jonbenet i dont believe burke did it at all...we may never know smh! Rip baby angel

[@alyssafowler9336]

I don't he did either. I think he's just tramatized.

[@theresahayes4294]

Kelly Marie..I had read somewhere on another KZbin clip that Burke struck her with a torch which killed her..then he ran to mammy and daddy to say what happened..and the father done the rest to cover up for Burke..💔 either way the death that jonbetnet got is 💔💔..and if that seinario is true John betnet is an absolute maniac.....that whole family should be locked up.. excluding that excuse for a mother as she dead..