Needville Fire dept Structure Fire- 3/8/12

[@PoppaBlue59]

I have worked both sides of the fence here in Texas...Paid for 26 and volunteer for 10. Most of the vollies make up for what they lack in equipment with hard work and dedication. My helmet is off to them, always. Very good job by the IC, too. Keep safe out there!

[@ahnbra]

With the fire conitions @ the start of the video even a full time paid city dept would have had trouble saving this house. Remember fire fighters are humans also and as such unfortunitly make mistakes also. This is a fact of life. Like some one else said having calm Incident Commmander is a big help. Good Job and Great job reminding the 3 fire fighter at the front door to stay safe!! Thank you for sharing this video with all of us.

[@sschultz2002]

For those of you that dont know our response area. The home in the video was already fully involved when the initial call was made. The residence is at least 12miles away from our response station. The gentlemen taking the video is from our small town police force who the first on scene and chose to video what he could. The closet water source was a 15 min turn around with tender trucks. yes there was things done wrong but two rooms were saved. The house was found to have started by rosary

[@robertyoung3992]

was anyone injured?

[@robertyoung3992]

the house can be rebuilt human lives cannot be

[@FloozieOne]

I love the way vinyl siding melts, all gooey in strips. What is amazing though is how the roof slowly sinks down and down making a dish until the bottom falls out and the roof is just gone into the fire. I read a lot of the comments and all I have to say, as a NON-FF is that the commander was right to keep telling the men to stay out and everybody went home safely. There was no hope for the building from the very beginning.

[@oneshoeshort]

You know I’ve watched a lot of fire videos, but I’ve never seen one that was filmed from IC’s perspective. It was very interesting! I’m just a retired medic who’s been on fire calls so I’ve no place saying if anything could’ve been done better or worse (not that I saw anything anyways). I think this was a great video and it was handled well. Great job brothers!! :D

[@MooseP148]

check out David Decker from Newark OH. Awesome IC footage and fire grounds.

[@frostgfx]

that was a strange burn evolution. I'm guessing that it started in the rear ceiling/roof interior… Good job on the defensive mode. Nothing could be saved from that fire. Glad to hear the other command person call for 2 1/2" hoses on the roof. You can always save the foundation!

[@Tindometari]

Does that seem to reflect a normal fuel loading in the roof space, or does it seem like the house had something unusual under its hat? (Not a firefighter - just curious.)

[@frostgfx]

Roof construction varies quite a bit. Looks to me like a pretty regular burn... Everything comes down to the construction of the building and more importantly, the fuel load of the contents and what type of fire resistant construction is used. Not a firefighter either but have been to tons of fires as EMS. Have a nice day.

[@BenjaminEsposti]

Jon Frost Looks like it could have been a lightweight/minimalistic design, those go up (or down, depending on how you look at it) real fast.

[@susanallen2678]

Jon Frost i

[@kupkakes3866]

Stop saying that they let the house burn down. What else were they going to do? The house was history the moment they arrived.

[@stewievaughan9841]

+KupKakes Pretty much was a goner.

[@JB91710]

+KupKakes What about the first floor possessions? If it was your house and you had no insurance, what would you have done?

[@chris71mach1]

JB91710.........learn a lesson?

[@CyanoticFuture]

Buy insurance in the 1st place like an intelligent person

[@justingroves9058]

JB91710 Firefighters are not their to risk their lives for first floor possessions. 😒

[@sr633]

Excellent moves. Keep your men safe. The building was finished. Good work.

[@patricialutz2092]

this house was already on its way to being gone when they arrived, the chief made the right call not risking his men's lives, well done sir!

[@penniesfromheavon]

i was a VFF for 6yrs and I say great job despite some mistakes. ppl dont realize that VFD's are poorly equiped, little or no training until they get a few fires under their belts and young ppl. I was glad to see these guys were watched over (noteing the little guy who didnt know to sit on his hose) These guys did a good job and the keyboard no it alls have no idea..get up and do this yourself then you will really know..these guys are underappreciated and get no credit. I know I've been there.

[@Petermax99]

All together it sounds like you have done many times before you made sure crew was safe and paying attion your orders two thumbs up keep up the good work.

[@lilaj34siren]

great instructions!!! don't go in! fire showing heavily from the attic...total loss...defensive op.... get the deck gun and some master streams and knock it on down.

[@theshadow1559]

I agree, these VFF's did not intentionally [let] the house burn to the point of becoming a total loss. Inasmuch, as they simply had no professional knowledge as to how to properly and effectively attack the fire which they faced upon arrival. As is commonplace with VFD's across our nation, this one acted no more nor no less unprofessional as any of the other VFD would have acted faced with a similar situation. (1) extremely slow response time (2) fire already in a free burning state (3) VFF's in mental awe and fear upon seeing the size of the fire upon arrival (4) on-scene confusion as to who is incharge and who's orders are the right ones to follow (5) having received poor and/or little actual fire training (6) inexperience in fighting real fires (7) poorly lead by appointed Chief Officers who themselves have no real fire fighting experience. etc. etc. etc.

[@theshadow1559]

@Wood Duck, Certified by which or what firefighting certification organization, (i.e.) State Fire Marshals Office, State Fire Academy, State Fire Science Academy, State Fire Fighter School, State School of Firefighting, National Fire Academy, National School of Firefighting ? The reason I ask is, that I would assume/believe that, whichever school of firefighting certified these poorly trained, inexperienced and fire suppression confused VFF's, has long ago been rightly decertified and had it's licensing of Volunteer Firefighters revoked as well. Regardless of one's connection and/or personal feelings to/for the volunteers in this video, it is ridiculous to provide any covering excuses for their inaction and poor action as the video plainly shows on the fire grounds and during their lame attempt at actually suppressing and extinguishing the house the fire, thereby, allowing it to be completely consumed by the fire. Albeit, I do thank you for reading and responding to my posted comment.

[@wallym66]

roof was already showing signs of caving in at the beginning it was starting to sag in the middle good call on the officers part get out.

[@Pizo201]

i listened to command and from what i hear he handle it quite well. he knew his area and knew that he had to call for tankers. he made the right call by not sending anyone in. the house was a loss from the time the video started. there was nothing to save. and does it matter what he calls a fog pattern? no he can call it what he wants. and if its true about the little funding they had. than i dont see a problem with anything they did.

[@retireeslife4013]

First I don't often comment on fires especially when I was not there. I have over 30yrs of big city fires. So it burns my ass to see comments like inept. If your such the bad ass then pass on some knowledge give some pointers. None of kicked ass at first. We all had a learning curve. Now my comment. .. good job no one died and command did a great job making sure that all his guys when home to there family's. I have no doubt they learned from this fire. So be careful what you say karma just might bite you.

[@BenjaminEsposti]

Rick George Can't agree more :)

[@dianek.miller5914]

+Rick George thank you for your service

[@PoppaBlue59]

+Rick George Well said Rick. Sometimes I don't even read the comments because I get so pissed. Bad for my BP and my wife catches me talking to myself. Best Regards from Texas, 29 years paid service. Stay in the house!

[@retireeslife4013]

PoppaBlue59 stay safe brother

[@aideennichnaimhsi7152]

i love wat u say

[@cripticgatekeep]

I have been on a volunteer department. we trained once a week at the hall but also had weekend trainings but it was hard to get everyone there. And you comment about feeling safe in that town yes I would feel safe in that town cause my neighbors had my back. Towns that have volunteer fire departments are safe because everyone is watching out for each other. If you want to know more join a volunteer fire department.

[@PoppaBlue59]

Keeping everyone out was a steller call! Not an empty building on Earth that is worth a blister, let alone a fatality. Good call, IC. Cheers from Texas.

[@dgerm7210]

I give your IC that recodred really good props he made sure those guys at the front door didnt go in really good. Great job guys!

[@jays106]

Great job keeping cool and making sure the guys stayed in defensive mode and did what needed done looked like maybe a modular home those are built so cheaply

[@stex5150]

Since most rural Texas departments are ALL VOLUNTEER without decent finances for training or proper equipment for every firefighter and just enough money for fuel and repairs to equipment you tend to do the best you can with nothing. There are many Fire Departments in Texas and elsewhere that send guys to training and depend on them to come back and train others. So before you start spouting off with your silver spoon ideals consider that these people are doing the best with what they have.

[@wtfd006]

Nice job on this fire. Having a calm i.c. makes a big difference. Your guys did there jobs.

[@TylersNeighborhoodGarage]

You have to remember that 90% of the people that comment on these fire videos do it to criticize the fire department. They graduated from KZbin Fire School. They learned everything they know about FF operations from right here at the computer. Easiest job they've ever had!

[@BillHosko]

And here you are doing what you tell others no to...

[@craigpotter5127]

have to admit this chief was great well done sir

[@tomavolese9217]

The house was a total loss from the start, So you can only do what you can do. The main thing, everyone goes home safe !!

[@somethinburnin]

From Northern NY, I back you up any day man. We go through the same here in many cases as far as Budget. This fire had a big jump before it got noticed, what can you do!? You guys did a great job.

[@paulhammerich9244]

Good foreground management, keeping your men safe, and a good lesson learned by the younger men. Those young guys wanted so badly to enter a fire that was already lost.

[@lilaj34siren]

i am 17... studying to be a fire fighter and the order of attact is if a person is reported inside do V.E.S (vent enter search) apply water to visible hotspots on the exterior of the structure fire...rescue...interior attack...and if the structure begins to collapse...EVACUATE....i really like the commands in this video...very smart thinking...because if you see the far right bedroom ceiling collapsed and hot coals poured in...

[@retmsgtpete6509]

The house was a goner. The chief was correct telling his crew not to go in.

[@Tindometari]

"Well, normally we'd get up there to vent the roof, but the fire's been good enough to take care of that for us."

[@JB91710]

+Arkadia Moon Only idiots and heroes go on the roof of a burning building. Smother the fire, don't help it breath.

[@Tindometari]

JB91710 Holy shit, where did you get your fire science - KZbin comments? Here's why you vent a roof: Until you do, the interior of the structure is full of trapped hot products of incomplete combustion. Those have to be allowed to escape, both so that they can burn or dissipate well away from ground level, and so that the heat contained within the building can be drained away, substantially weakening the fire. What's more, until the building is vented from above, there is a substantial risk of a backdraft or smoke explosion when a window or door is broken - such as when a firefighter breaks it open to gain access to the inside of the structure. Would you like to be the one who breaks the window open and gets a faceful of smoke explosion? I sure wouldn't. Oh, and by the by, these days venting is usually done with long tools by someone who's standing on a ladder or crane, not by someone climbing onto the roof. I'm not a firefighter, I've never had any professional training in the field, and I understand this. Please, *please* tell me that you're not a firefighter.

[@Thatyellow850xmr]

+JB91710 most idiotic comment I have ever read on KZbin.

[@JB91710]

Arkadia Moon Fire fighters and people like You just believe what you are told without thinking for yourself. Venting most roofs does nothing but make the attic burn better. The only time roof venting will do anything constructive is in a one story building. Now THINK about this. Picture a colonial house with fire in the attic and second floor with some fire and hot gases on the first floor. You have to enter the house through the front door into hot black smoke. The other fire fighters go on the roof and cut a bunch of holes. "The Path Of Least Resistance." Air comes in through the other holes to feed the fire and flames erupt out the other holes. You now have an inferno in the attic that, you will see in every video, burns on and on with no water application through the second floor ceiling because no one is up there yet. They are still outside getting dressed and figuring out how to get the door open so no air is being drawn in by the attic venting. If the ceiling of the second floor doesn't have a big hole in it, how are the smoke and hot gases on the first floor going to make it all the way up to the attic to make it Safer for the fire fighters coming through the front door??? If you don't have every first floor upper window sash open, how is fresh air going to come in to replace the hot smoke that you and the fire college professors think is heading out the roof? The attic will burn better and those holes won't make a bit of difference on the lower floors. If the fire fighters want the first floor smoke and hot gasses to go away, open the upper sashes and the front and back doors. Put a fan blowing air into the front door to build up pressure in the house to force the smoke out the windows and give the FFers fresh air to walk into. They find what's burning on the first floor and put water on it. If the ceiling gases are still too hot, they can use a wide open spray to instantly cool the ceiling. While this is happening, other FFers are opening the second floor windows and the first floor guys head upstairs. When they get to the second floor with a second line, that one is used to put a wide open spray of water through a ceiling hole into the attic like an upside down sprinkler. The fire is out, no one fell off a ladder or the roof and no one fell through the roof into a inferno. If that doesn't make sense to you, then keep worshipping the fire college that changes the technique every few years to keep it fresh and keep their jobs. This is not rocket science.

[@JB91710]

Darcie Foley You think that was idiotic? read my follow up. That ones a doozy!

[@judis.1810]

U sir r a great fire fighter! U kept ur men from getting killed! Hats off to u!! God Bless you and your family, including ALL of the Fire Company Personnel!!

[@sschultz2002]

Mutual aid was requested from Fairchild, Pleak, Rosenberg, Richmomd, and station back-in from Beasley.

[@occdude01]

Wow, I'm a firefighter in Katy, tx, but I live in Missouri city. Was there mutual aid requested from Richmond or Rosenberg, or sugar land?

[@freeamericausa1]

Great job. Good decision chief. It was unsafe the minute you arrived. Nobody inside a smart move. Not worth the threat on a fully involved structure. That is a large Device fire. Large volume of water from 2 1/2 nozzles, and deck monitors.

[@holzmovx]

Anstatt die Zeit zum Aussenlöschen zu nutzen bis die Tür auf ist, wird schön gewartet.

[@sschultz2002]

Yes... Needville, Texas

[@Pizo201]

i have to disagree when u say things were done wrong. you knew what u need by calling in tankers ( tenders). the house was a loss and im surprised u saved 2 rooms. from the start of this vid it was obvious that the house was gonna be a complete loss. and with no water supply that makes life harder. but if it was u that ran this call i think u did a great job. keep it up u will make a good chief one day.

[@nighthawk784]

Thank goodness they saved the siding on the front of the house.

[@johncarnevale9349]

The reality is if you live in the country, a long way from the fire service, your house is gone if it starts on fire. I had a cousin lose his whole house right to the ground because he lived in the country. He now has his own water safety system in his house.

[@faithfamilyandcountry7452]

Loop the line a sit on it. I’ve done it a few times myself. Not as fun as walking it but with only one person it’s more effective.

[@dianejudd1315]

Ya that fire looked mean. Your a good man who ever is in charge talking. Mean fire.

[@poppablue59kent75]

Here is a tip. Lot's of you may know it. When using a big handline, 2.5" or better, if you can keep ten to twelve feet of hose straight behind you, the hose will soak up much of the 'push' of the nozzle reaction. One firefighter can hold it and move it in about a 15 degree fan. That's just a tip. Instead of bitchin on here, I think we should share info and not dog-cuss each other. Texas retired, 29 years.

[@Thatguy9117-p]

Thanks for the tip and making an example of a mature comment

[@turbolivesinmyheart6328]

Thank you for your service protecting the public.

[@christopherstevenadams6521]

My heart goes out to the family who lost everything things can be replaced but a life cannot great job to fire department an all involved

[@happyguy4985]

Good call not goin in but what were the guys at the front door doing? finally they moved into attack mode. Not sure they are inept but may lack training and experience.

[@MooseP148]

nothing...

[@erickaegi629]

And what the hell were they supposed to do? They did a good as far as I am concerned.

[@robertspeer8340]

They did what they were told to do by on scene command. They all did a good job with what they had there.

[@k0smon]

Good training fire. Would have loved to see an elevated stream on the roof.

[@engineer5213]

Great call by keeping the firefighters out of the structure, however make the command decision to go defensive and start fighting the roof tire from the outside. They are only going to be able to fight a little bit of fire from outside the front door

[@lukebrockf120]

looks like the bar light on the engine at the end was messed up.only one was working?

[@kennethlang5480]

What's up with the No turn out Gear on - that close to the Fire.

[@sockettuem4089]

Some training would have helped in this situation which is why weekly drills are critical. This was a defensive fire and could have been handled better had everyone known his roll. The incident commander seemed to know what he was doing, his people however, were lacking.

[@occdude01]

This was in needville, tx right?

[@jeanbaker2087]

Was it a double wide mobile home or a construction home?

[@detroitfirefighter]

All in all, good job... Your "A" side firefighters were "a little" close, for my comfort (possible frame collapse). But over-all, it was a good extinguish. Good communications from incident command.

[@davidpayne4315]

Hope everyone is ok

[@buggs428]

That was a very good call, do not go in ,👍🏽

[@markt538]

Must have been a rookie thinking he was going to stand and open that 2.5! Back up and sit on it! Good call.

[@stex5150]

Fchief200, you are sure quick to criticize a department you probably know nothing about nor took the time to check out. Just from the first minute of this video and having a general idea of where Needville,Tx. is you can gather the following information. This appears to be a manufactured home, trailer house It appears that this is a rural area since you don't see houses next to each other. At approximately 0:20 you hear the commander asking for the "tanker" Texas talk for mobile water supply.

[@jacobkeppler1984]

Nice work guys keep 🚒🧑‍🚒🇺🇸

[@rakir1000]

Only issue is no stick is put up unless one was not scene yet. But definitely going from the doorway wouldn't do any good

[@PoppaBlue59]

IC...good call on keeping the fellas out. That girl was haulin' the mail! Keep safe out there.

[@tiger2338]

Was this in a rural area? That would explain the need for tankers.

[@beagleboysinc9950]

Please tell me this was a training exercise.

[@sschultz2002]

Candles in the back living room of the house.

[@mylisa07]

Why can't people just watch the video without making these stupid ass comments. If you weren't there, don't judge. saftey first. Remember.

[@christopherstevenadams6521]

What started the fire

[@romarflores1357]

they can spray water on the roof right?

[@MichaelVincentfoto]

she's in full bloom

[@thesleuthfilesdocumentarie7934]

Hey ! Look ! A new firehouse..

[@henrygenthe7188]

They did what could got no one hurt house was a gonner from the get go fireman in charge handled himself well

[@aportman58]

Please assign a Truck or Rescue Co. to simply take a Halligan, Pike Pole, or Axe and take all the impediments i.e. opening door glass cross bars and window framings (especially when trying to penetrate and reduce thermal temperatures by playing large handline stream through natural openings. Get that crap out of the way so you can operate. Will commend FG Operation's Chief, for his decision to remain defensive fire! This fire is not worth getting anyone injured or worse, killed.

[@______-id5ud]

from the busiest department to the department that runs one call a year....EVERYONE NEEDS TO TRAIN, TRAIN AND TRAIN SOMEMORE!!!

[@jaysonlassiter757]

After the bulk of the fire was knocked it would have been best too make entry and knock the rest instead of burning the piss out that house

[@smokeyNJ78]

All defensive, right from the start, Great Job

[@daniellestonge938]

why dont they use chopper with water bucket that would help to slow it down

[@reginabundy5139]

im just now seeing this video. man thats bad. poor house

[@kalleok]

Great safe command.. thumbs up

[@erickaegi629]

These guys didn't have a chance

[@philwhipple4557]

I guess they didn't need to vent that one.

[@cwr1641]

Let the house burn itself out?!?! Then everyone will be talking about how the dept. did nothing. Good luck passing a millage after that.

[@Jefftank61]

good call on the decision not to enter when you saw collapse

[@alexandermakrianis]

All of you people making critical comments weren't there and don't really know what was going on. Stop being armchair ICs and stop criticizing the firefighters in this video. This was a defensive attack and from what I saw they put the water as close to the seat of the fire as they possibly could.

[@PhillipRhodes]

1. Everybody thinks they are an expert firefighter, because they put out a pile of leaves with a garden hose in their backyard once. 2. Everybody watches too much TV and too many movies, and thinks that every fire is handled with 6 unique 5" LDH lays, 10 engines, and 9 elevated master streams. And hey, that's great if you're in an urban area with plenty of hydrants and ladder towers available, etc. Meanwhile, in Rural America, you shuttle water to the scene in tankers and are lucky if you can sustain a 500 gpm flow continuously, the closest ladder truck is 30 minutes away, and your all volunteer department may be lucky to be able to turn out one engine and a tanker, especially on a daytime call. But of course anonymous youtube commenters have to flaunt their "superiority" by pointing out all the things the departments in these videos did "wrong".

[@poppablue59kent75]

Well put, Phillip. Keep safe out there. Texas retired, 29 years service.

[@JB91710]

hazmat It's called having the gift of sight.

[@alexandermakrianis]

The gift of site still doesn't mean that one has a full perspective of the situation based on what they see in a video.

[@JB91710]

hazmat The biggest excuse I've heard on here is, "If you weren't there then you don't know." That's pure BS. If I can See a large part of what's going on and they are screwing up everything I see, then I am confident they are screwing up the entire scene. The three guys at the front door couldn't tie their shows without directions and help.

[@tsu1014]

Why would you argue over who has command?

[@charlesrudish9147]

I'm assuming these are volunteer departments, and the first in officer automatically assumes command, until the next higher ranking officer shows up. If he's doing a good job, leave him alone. Command experience is a good thing. I had an old chief tell me once, "If you need me to take over, then maybe we don't need you at all". This applies to small and medium size departments, big one's like FDNY, Chicago FD and such, have a pretty tightly run OIC system. It's their job and they are required to assume command.

[@asconstruction4146]

Watched the whole house burn down

[@patsematary]

@kupkakes I agreee is the good old so-called Yankee pragmatism if an old man is sick with covid and without insurance leave him outside the hospital.

[@HyperFoxTails]

This must be a training video.

[@wildroot2762]

Good practice.

[@joekrause6382]

That house is a total loss

[@disabldfirefiter]

mouthing off to a chief, vol. or edp paid is never a good idea. you cannot work that way on any dept. paid or vol! chain of command is for complaints in both directions. unless a chief's order would cause an immediate danger do it or go to your LT/Capt. let him/her deal with the chief.

[@littleblitz8239]

Pls read my response to the wrong person. It is meant for you. I sent it to sshultz2002 by mistake

[@ffjsb]

You obviously don't a thing about firefighting. The IC may have been a cop, but he's also clearly a firefighter as well. This fire was a loser from the start. They did good with what they had. Yes, it looks like they had some new guys on the line, but they were given good intructions. Pay attention, you might learn something.

[@wiggerjones7537]

C0MPT0N ENGINE'S 41-42-43-44-421-422-423-424 & SQUAD'S 441-442-443 & TRUCK 41-412 & RESCUE'S 444-445 & AIR LYTE UNIT 428 - BATTALI0N 404 0N A H0USE FIRE

[@ffjsb]

You're not going to find very many on a rural volunteer dept.

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

Rosary? Proving for the ten billionth time that nothing fails like prayer.

[@ericpl7227]

If you're going to go defensive, you need to put that out over the air!

[@johnshowers1048]

Needvill needs

[@garysquadman3152]

Great job you let the house burn to the ground

[@poe2318]

IC did a great job by not sending anyone in. Volunteer fore departments work with limited man power and limited equipment. So all you youtube firefighters need to take some fire classes and become a firefighter before you criticise vollys. Good job brothers.

[@urbanleagen]

If a house is that far gone,why not just let it burn itself out ?

[@skiqsr]

Limited water supply... it is different.

[@littleblitz8239]

Not sure I understand your reply. What I should have said is with little funding you don't have enough equipment to do the job correctly. I wasn't bashing anyone. I was a volunteer years ago. I know what you guys go through. My apology if I offended you. Little Blitz 85 LZVFD Ret

[@disabldfirefiter]

this fire was defensive from the start, as it had a huge head-start before crews arrived. There was little to save. Pulling the crew out may have been a bit late, but seeing conditions as they were & pulling them out = right call. And why do such discussions and disagreements always end up here with vulgar name-calling? I wasn't there, only commenting on what I was able to see with my 20+ years experience as a military, paid city & volunteer FF/LT.