Nefarious Movie (2023) - Demon Explains To Atheist Doctor Their Plan Against Humanity

[@AbideandBelieve]

One of my favorite movies of 2023, reminds me of The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis.

[@robertlehnert4148]

Described as a cross between The Screwtape Letters and My Dinner with Andre

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

C.S. Lewis was a Christian ? "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." ~ HOLY BIBLE, Matthew 23:27

[@DevotedDisciple-x]

@unitedstatesirie7431 All of mankind are hypocrites filled with iniquity and worse. Thank you Jesus for giving us another chance.

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

@@DevotedDisciple-x please research the life history of C.S. Lewis.

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

@@DevotedDisciple-x I am not a hypocrite filled with iniquity. "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." ~ HOLY BIBLE, Proverbs 3:5,6 The LORD GOD KING JESUS says, "...if ye love me, keep my commandments." ~ HOLY BIBLE, John 14:15

[@Lyhurs]

"Evil is evil even if everyone does it. Good is good even if no one does it."

Derp is derp, who do you think you're quoting?

[@KennethPinto-u7g]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@bigguy7353]

​@SeanONilbud Not anyone YOU are familiar with. You display your ignorance proudly it seems. Dunce.

[@birdofevil7970]

Is this a quote from Plato, or at least an opinion of Plato?

[@redsol3629]

No, what terrifies me about humans is they can decide what is good and bad. They have the capacity for gross cruelty if it is justified by their beliefs. Good and bad? They are only words, and here is the kicker. We all have the capacity for cruelty within us, and we would call it kindness.

[@andrewplck]

He claims freedom, yet he keeps refering to his Master. He changed his boss, and dare I say, what a downgrade.

[@theperson4yearsago565]

😂

[@nickwoyurka6820]

Freedom in that he’s free from the “enemy” in a sense (as he says)

[@mrpepe1408]

​@@nickwoyurka6820 how is that working out? No wonder he is miserable 😂

[@tomosjackson4760]

An excellent point. Once again the "freedom" we hear of so much today is not a "freedom to" but rather a "freedom from". Free from responsibility Free from morality Free from authority free from duty

[@E-0921]

My take away on it is that while yes the demon went from one master to another master. The differences is that “Lucifer” or “satan” acknowledges that he and the other demons should have free will and be able to act on that just as we do. God has his reasons for why angels, fallen or otherwise, can’t act on it but we can. Lucifer is obviously gonna be the one that leads now as he did before the fall from grace. And he’s gonna allow them that free will.

[@catsupchutney]

The demon complains about the Creator restricting his role to one of slave, but has no hesitation referring to Satan as master.

[@AbideandBelieve]

Good point... and his master has lots of nicknames, "deceiver, accuser, adversary."

[@crazypantz3492]

I don't see it as mutually exclusive. A free agent choses, a slave obeys. You can follow someone freely and still oppose slavery

[@AyshKing]

How cute 😂😂😂​@@crazypantz3492

[@AyshKing]

@@christophersayrs907 well Jesus is master of all... and that's not changing Love Jesus and repent!

[@AyshKing]

@@christophersayrs907 Noted...

[@j.peters1222]

"Unfortunately for both of us, he exists." He sounds legitimately uncomfortable admitting that there is a creator.

[@Belmont1714]

​@@AlexReynardThe stuff that happens, happens bcoz humans chooses to do evil. You can't blame Him for your way of life and still go against what He teaches.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

"Oh great, just what we needed: a demon giving life advice to an atheist doctor. Because if there's anyone who can save humanity, it's a guy who spends his time in a hospital rather than reading the fine print on the back of a dark, rusty book!"

[@AlexReynard]

@@Belmont1714 I'm not talking about me; I'm empathizing with the demon here. Clearly, he was rejected by his father and cast out forever, and now resents the 2nd child (humans) who receive his father's love. Entirely understandable. It breaks my heart because, the doctor gets it right immediately, "Why don't you build something instead of acting like this?" And the demon's like, 'No, we have to punish God.' As if that will make Him love them and take them back. Poor stupid demons. If I'd been there I would have told him, "Dude, I walked away from my abusive family and I don't think about them anymore. I don't dwell on them. I have friends now. What are you doing to yourself?"

[@Belmont1714]

@@RealCaptainJaws Why did He do it? You failed to mention WHY... There's no part where punishment from Him is done without a reason.

[@AlexReynard]

@@pongsatonrattanapriyanuch7331 That's an extremely accurate analogy. And we can also see from Jordan Peterson's outreach, it only takes the smallest amount of encouragement to get through to someone like that and bring them back to sanity. They don't actually want to push everyone away, they want to feel love. They're just bad at giving it.

[@Hiddenronin]

"Theology? From a Demon?" is a pretty dumb thing to say. Biblical demons are fallen angels. Of course they believe in God.

[@jsmall10671]

This movie was made by christians to proselytize. They are just doing the whole "What? Satan knows the bible?!?" schtick.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

It's a movie, evil isn't supernatural neither is good. If they had anything real or factual they'd have made a Documentary they don't so it's just movie filed under Crime or Fantasy.

[@tom4705]

Nah its real ​@@johnmichaelson9173

[@ephilbin]

​@@johnmichaelson9173 12 Angry Men is also a work of fiction, but it crafts its setting and narrative to provide a hard-hitting look at very real things.

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Wanna see a fallen angel? LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels). They made this realm. They made man in their image. (tares) Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels. Genesis 2:7 the Lord God forms His representative in their system. (wheat) One Gospel: Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

[@richatgreenday]

The way he goes from demon to Edward to demon is amazing acting in the movie, real thought provoking dialogue too.

[@hauptkommissarbushido5157]

The scene with the broken finger is insane. He literally takes his own body as a hostage xD

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

"Nothing like a little bedside manner from a demon! I always knew my doctor was wicked, but I didn't expect him to prescribe existential dread!"

[@criztu]

nowhere in the bible does it say you were created. the so called "translations" of the bible in the tongues of the nations are abominations. also, in the bible, Christians do not have hierarchies. now look at the so called "Catholic church, Protestant church, Orthodox church" - they have Pope > cardinals > archbishops > bishops > priests > deacons. these are false prophets, coming to us in sheep clothes but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

[@mrkiky]

it's only thought provoking if you haven't thought about this kind of stuff very much.

[@ianinkster2261]

I had to do a double take to check if it's even the same actor.

[@OnlyAFoolsHope]

That “unfortunately for both of us he exists” dig was so deep it went over the doctor’s head. He was basically saying you’re smart but not smart enough to even acknowledge your own creator.

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

#itsActuallyThatDeepThough

[@Ace96x10]

I think he's saying that the doctor is already in huge huge trouble come judgement time.

[@Kris_413]

@@Ace96x10 Bingo! ✅

[@ernestoA.1999]

This all came from the imagination of ancient jews /hebrews, God and evil right and wrong just like black and white , like hot and cold , winter and summer , positive and negative, even in science it exists, man and women, and there’s always have to be two things opposed and attracted to each other at the same time , I do believe theres a creator, but not as humans paint to be , what humans paint is their imagination

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

Or the demon is just that stupid since his plan backfires on himself.

[@johnnk3256]

Wow. Beautifully written. Instead of going the supernatural powers and spectacle route, they went the intellectual and question/curiosity route. We don't see these much in movies today. Great work. 🎉

[@matthewhollier]

Well said. I can't think of any other movie where 90% of it is two people sitting in a room and talking, yet this was one of the most compelling performances I've ever seen.

[@johnnk3256]

@@matthewhollier: They knocked this one out of the park.

[@vipermad358]

"Intellectual". It's funny when ignorant Christers use that word. 😂

[@alexsolomon8127]

oh, they do that too. it's just subtle. remember by the end of the movie they're trying to possess the guy, and it's only an "accidental" misfire from the gun that made the suicide fail.

[@SystemUpdate310]

"We don't see these much in movies today", this movie came out in 2023, merely a year ago.

[@jacksonboone8396]

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

[@kennydolby1379]

so god is evil cos he does nothing

[@Barrythebarnabas]

God is worse than evil. He created it in the first place

[@JohnWilson-zh3il]

Are you downgrading God to be human?

[@4redniwediS]

​@@BarrythebarnabasNo you are wrong, like darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of goodness!

[@jamesdylan2446]

@kennydolby1379 Yeah he does nothing. It’s called free will. With free will we have good people and evil people. Evil people who do horrible things to innocent people. Free will works both ways. We all will be judged. So yeah God does nothing. Lol. In the end evil will be dealt with. Without free will we would be robots. No need to reply because you can’t change reality.

[@Yoitscaivaxthemolotovfox]

In earlier scenes and some in this one is how fast the demon talks like it can process stuff faster than we can and it shows how terrifyingly smart it must be

[@Thebig_KC]

Yup and people needs to realise how smart and skillful these demons are. That's why we don't thriffle with them.

[@antondavidovic3996]

He actually got him a bit with the "You revolt against an all powerful being, lets ignore the obvious problem with THAT plan..."

[@AlexReynard]

I'm sure there are people in North Korea who rebel against the government there, even if they know there is no hope to succeed. But the point is to show them, 'Even if you kill me, you won't have my obedience.'

[@wavertone]

@@AlexReynard you still don’t see the point the atheist made. The demon is rebelling against a creator that gave it free will but wants and demand obedience or suffer, there is another word for that, slave.

[@AlexReynard]

@@wavertone No, I got that. I'm saying, even if a slave revolt is doomed to failure, it's still worth rebelling, for the sheer defiance of freedom.

[@wavertone]

@@AlexReynard I see. That scares me cause the demons know better, they do not have ‘faith’ they know god is real and yet they rebel. 😳

[@antondavidovic3996]

@@AlexReynard Not if the rebellion would lead to even worse slavery. But "slavery" isn't probably objectively used here. A prideful demon would see obedience to God as slavery, most angels won't.

[@oledahammer8393]

Evil creates nothing, notice how the demon dodged that. Their eternal existence is boiled to down to eternal hate and NOTHING else. Just trying to stick it to God for all eternity, NOTHING else.

[@PolishBehemoth]

Bingo.

[@jimmypeeps8471]

An interesting connection between how all movies and shows are trash these days and are mostly REMAKES, or "remixes" of original creations that were actually good when released.

[@hibbo1351]

Isaiha 45:7 God already copped to creating all evil. Which day did he create kid cancer?

[@mackenzieneal1660]

You just described the democrat party to a T.

[@PolishBehemoth]

@@mackenzieneal1660 100% Facts.

[@aretnap3653]

"Let's Ignore TheObvious Problem of That Plan!" 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂

[@kevvwinnin4747]

But did they really lose? From what I see they won centuries ago

[@paladinsmith7050]

@@kevvwinnin4747 Jesus won, wake up.

[@thegreatestever913]

​@@kevvwinnin4747if you're referring to the great flood then yes they technically did

[@thegreatestever913]

​@@paladinsmith7050i don't wanna be that guy but the great flood exists bcuz mankind was corrupted. The world is gonna end again bcuz of corruption and more people will fall than rise

[@Scarl3t03]

@@kevvwinnin4747 watch the movie and you have your answer

[@snitchbstudios]

I like how the demon can't say God's name because because of it's power. So he calls him the Enemy or the Carpenter.

[@jcmick8430]

Praise Yahweh

[@blank557]

Whoa. Powerful scene that lays out the crux of of the Devil's plan. The demon of course downplays the fact that even if God offered them forgiveness and grace, they would refuse it out of rebellion, because they want their own short-sighted will that involves exploiting others to preserve their ego caste system, than treating even the most weakest and humble as deserving as love and care.

[@Jericho4444]

Great comment!

[@Relentingsinner650]

Wait where did he say God offered forgiveness? Like he says "why give will just to say you can't use it"

[@theengine1x]

Wow. Never heard organized religion described so perfectly. I am going to borrow this. Thank you.

[@m_d1905]

​@@Relentingsinner650Obviously God let them have their will. The demon basically admitted it would never repent so now it's all mad that God let it exercise it's free will. God also knew such beings would choose rebellion always so why offer? He offers it to humanity because we are different in nature and often do repent and change.

[@Relentingsinner650]

@@m_d1905 wait wait, he said why give free will just to say you can't use it....meaning if I choose to live my life the way I want to and not according to how God wants....it's free will? That's an ultimatum....follow me or else, that's why he said it's unfair, it's slavery.

[@mireaman1]

The devil doesn't want to be forgiven only because humanity will be at peace

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

Well somebody’s gotta give people an actual choice that isn’t some illusion of free will.

[@breonjohnson3104]

Even the demons acknowledge God

[@falstoffe]

Yes, that is where there are ten commandments, but only nine Hells, because even Satan himself cannot deny the first commandment - the EXISTENCE of God. "Atheism" as humans understand it, is a mis-manifestation of the 10th commandment, not the first.

[@timothy3644]

That's exactly why it's not enough to just merely believe in Yeshua. To get into Heaven. The devil and his angels believe. They're still gonna burn.

[@jackadams3878]

@@falstoffe who said there were 9 hells?

[@Ace96x10]

They know he exists, and tremble at his name, but they deny him all the time, even from a pulpit.

[@FactStorm]

Mythology for the weak-minded and gullible.

[@debbiecurtis4021]

WEF must be like this, they'll stop at nothing to destroy humanity.

[@chrisbailey9377]

They won't get away with anything. God's not going to allow it.

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

​@@chrisbailey9377God doesn't even have to do a thing. Evil by nature has a built in self destruct sequence.

[@skinnyWHITEgoyim]

When you understand who the world leaders worship, their plans become obvious. They're building anything. They're carrying out lucifers evil plans to destroy as much of God's creation as possible. They're literally harvesters of souls for their father. The devil. The synagogue of satan just like Jesus Christ said in Revelations 2:9 and 3:9

[@JohnDoe-jt5lb]

God would be WEF in this metaphor, since they're the ones trying to enslave everyone.

[@rickkybobby8118]

Oh dear im in "that" part of KZbin again

[@KenMasters.]

This is basically like watching a debate between a "Modern" Satanist and a True Satanist.

[@truone637]

Well the psychologist was an atheist and that is in line with "Modern" Satanism as you stated.

[@anniehopkins8470]

@@truone637 ... I would argue that there is no such thing as an "atheist"... the concept exists on paper... but I have never encountered one on real life... though I have encountered many who identify as such. Their human nature prevents them from adhering to the definition It's like "communism"... the construct exists on paper... and we have labeled people & nations as "communist"... but those people or nations don't actually adhere to the definition... thus they are something else entirely. The Chinese Communist Party for instance... couldn't be less "communist" if they tried... and I would argue that you couldn't find me an actual historical example. Even the guy that wrote the manifesto acknowledges this issue in the end. The "human element" is always forgotten or disregarded with concepts like these... when it's the usually determining factor of whether or not a thing is possible.

[@dylanjones268]

@@anniehopkins8470 That is dumb

[@TheHigherVoltage]

"I would argue that there is no such thing as an "atheist"... the concept exists on paper... but I have never encountered one on real life... though I have encountered many who identify as such. Their human nature prevents them from adhering to the definition " huh? What do you think the definition of "Atheist" is?

[@Jericho4444]

@@anniehopkins8470gotta say this is one of the smartest and most eloquent takes I have ever read…. I'm a history major and I could not agree more!

[@kirkhensley5870]

Someone really, really, read Paradise Lost. This is excellent. This is the kind of dialog that an actor could really chew on with pleasure. If you haven't, read that book as hard as it is. This just did the shortest summation of John Milton. Dogma by Kevin Smith has a similar taste in the best dialog exchange with Matt Damon. "I've heard a rant like this before. You sound like the Morningstar." Dogma: Best work Ben Affleck ever did. All downhill from there.

[@ChRi5t0FuR]

Thank you for the recommendations!

[@jculver1674]

It was also inspired by The Screwtape Letters, another good read.

[@ChRi5t0FuR]

Thanks!@@jculver1674

[@garybrown2039]

The auther very likely also read saint Thomas Aquinas's work, especially though suma theologia, it talks about this stuff.

[@Mooseman327]

Or all of esoteric Christianity, Gnosticism, Anthroposophy, Tomberg, etc. This is nothing new, of course. Almost as old as God himself.

[@zachnoe4503]

“He made you in his image, but we remade you in ours” that’s the entire plan that Satan has been working on since the beginning of time

[@AlexReynard]

What happens then if, in the process of doing so, we unintentionally make them become more like us?

[@conscientiousobjector5988]

Waht?

[@asianartist1]

@@AlexReynard lol - master never returns to his worker as a worker - never. you imply we have some kinda spark, hope - but that... that is earned through experience and wisdom, not a wish. if they existed before us, it's like an ant saying since we eat human food, maybe they farm for us...

[@AlexReynard]

@@asianartist1 "lol - master never returns to his worker as a worker - never." You've never seen an episode of Undercover Boss? "that is earned through experience and wisdom, not a wish." It's not a wish., It's basic predator psychology. When we domesticated wolves, we came at them behaving like neither prey or a threat. And that confused them enough to give them pause. Make them consider, 'Maybe I won't kill this one.' If you come at a demon with an attitude that is neither fear nor opposition, maybe you will confuse it. In nature, if you walk unarmed, confidently, with open arms towards an enemy, that is universally understood as a gesture of truce. 'You could kill me. And I may still backstab you through some treachery. But you wanna take a risk with me on a handshake instead?' "if they existed before us, it's like an ant saying since we eat human food, maybe they farm for us..." when I was little, my stepdad took me to the park, and made me lay down part of my chocolate bar for an ant colony to enjoy. I didn't want to do it at first, because I was selfish. but he taught me the value of doing something kind for others with no desire for profit from it. If demons have been around longer than us, you think none of them has ever considered that? Also, did you forget that they're the same species as angels? How could they be so terrible if that's what they came from? A spurned servant doesn't really want to destroy the master who cast him out; he wants to serve and love again, but the betrayal cast him into a pit of nihilism where he thinks there's no hope of that ever happening again. You ever seen how quickly a dog will come to forgive humanity and love his new owner that shows him kindness, even if the old master beat him and threw him away?

[@ArchAngelWC]

many of us believe that...was Christianity.... I mean think about it Jesus wasn't deified by committee until 300+ years after his crucifixion as, "King of the Jews" by the Romans, a people historically renowned for their sense of humour... at the behest of the Pharisees who hated his ass for preaching secular faith, faith that didn't require a temple. That faith Adonai spoke to us of when he was telling off David for building a temple instead of looking the fuck around him... and it in one of its first acts we get the active violation of the 1st commandment in that Jesus becomes "your lord"+/- and saviour"....not God something even Jesus didn't fk with....he was pretty clear about God is God and he's just offering to be an advocate for you maybe take some weight, offer a little intercession..be your rabbi :P...and then we have the graven images, depictions of that which is in heaven, paedophilia, murder, extortion, theft, massacres, holy wars lmao....etc etc also the active suppression of knowledge for centuries and the erasure of vast swaths of human history because it didn't fit their narrative ie: until recently Mary the wife of Christ and his First Disciple was actively slandered as a whore by the Church......but i mean the Vicker of Christ is infallible right and then if that church wasnt enough of an abomination....Martin Luther's antisemitic ass comes along to shit in the cheerios of Europe for centuries culminating in Good Christians perpetrating the Holocaust...the great pogrom of our time which again...didnt finish us off cause ya'll are failures 6000+ years of people trying to obliterate our tribe and Nope lol :P

[@mrkiky]

"You revolt against an all powerful being. Let's ignore the obvious problem with that plan" _Proceeds to not ignore the obvious problem with that plan in the very next line_

[@liberty4life1779]

Basically a summary of Milton's Paradise Lost.

[@jsmall10671]

Which was very much non-biblical. It's all fiction all the way down

[@NateB]

That’s where most of this Hollywood theology stuff comes from.

[@Prototype10_]

What is that?

[@EyeMixMusic]

"Design implies a designer" "Theology? From a demon?" I'll take things an atheist would never say for 500 Alex

[@cwb2992]

Within any society or civilization, no one is truly free to do whatever they want. Rules and laws exist whether they are religious, spiritual, or human, and there is always a leader.

[@pjcaradoc]

The theology is spot on, but a real demon would probably never reveal itself to an atheist (demons don't tend to do that).

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

Yes you're right. They intentionally avoid ever saying their own names.

[@johnlynn9041]

It's true, but for the point of this film I understand why they chose to make him do so.

[@Dr.Gojithecollector]

You gotta remember that he can openly reveal himself, because hes in no danger of being actually caught. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing man that he doesnt exist".

[@ColossalDrip]

I mean, he was trying to get himself killed anyways if you ever actually watched the movie. The power and secrecy of his name no longer mattered to him since he was trying to get exorcised by death

[@jamespowell7376]

its a movie bozo , the point of this show is being displayed and you still went after the actually thing that happens ??

[@drivenbyrage5710]

If you have a master, you do not have free will. He just chose one control over another.

[@bags4649]

The difference is, it was his choice.. And that's a major difference between a master and an owner.

[@williamcarder1975]

We all have a master. We either belong to Christ or we belong to Satan.

[@bags4649]

@@williamcarder1975 Agreed, but it must be your or the persons own choice, not forced upon them.

[@williamcarder1975]

@@bags4649 I agree and disagree with you. By nature, we are all children of wrath because we are all born sinners. And because we are sinners by nature, we belong to Satan. It is only when by faith, we choose to put our faith in Christ, that we come the children of God. But unless one repents of their sin and puts their faith in Christ, we belong to Satan. You are Eleuthera on Christ or you are not. There is no in-between.

[@aldosigmann419]

'You cannot serve 2 masters, you'll love one and hate the other...'.

[@jerrybobteasdale]

The demon actor did very well.

[@captdaddy]

Powder

[@Tradingdream11111]

The tongue part was getting annoying

[@jerrybobteasdale]

@@Tradingdream11111 I dunno. It made his seem less human and more spooky.

[@edwardelliott5756]

I had never been able to understand why the devil and his subjects continued to rebel until this scene. They aren’t insane. They are quite sane and evil. Revenge. That is the answer.

[@ninja3687]

Pride.

[@alexgramm5170]

Also a man took Lucifer's place as high priest... that man was and still is Christ. The saved, as a corporate body ,do and will, in a full consumation of God's eternal purpose, occupy the place that he once held before the fall.

[@garybrown2039]

Pride and envy, according to saint Thomas Aquinas.

[@Agamemnon-w9x]

As the demon said, they are 'beings of pure spirit', so my guess is that in being that, they sort of act in what their spirits are full of.. Malice, Envy, Pride, etc..

[@Agamemnon-w9x]

@@alexgramm5170 Lucifer wasn't the high priest, he was just the highest ranking angel that shone over God's throne, the Morning Star

[@ghostfacekicker]

I randomly saw this movie. It’s worth watching. SPOILER ALERT: he was really possessed. Actually the post title spoiled it. You don’t know if he’s a demon or not at this point but he does have details about the doctor’s life that there’s no way he would know about.

[@REM1956]

Great writing, and the actor playing the demon is just fantastic. What an agitated, creepy performance. Just watching him puts you on edge.

[@supervike1]

Right on. The dude was compelling and repulsive all at once. Very cool performance.

[@meedily]

He really nailed that role. Damn.

[@bretharley7480]

This dude is a boondock saint. He looks and sounds so different.

[@cabronicusmaximuschingonic1062]

Older. The word you're looking for is "older". Guess a third boondock's movie better come out quick, or when we DO get one, is going to be an embarrassing to watch.

[@MrJackal43]

It was 20 YEARS ago, fool…😂

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

That happens when it's a different person.

[@chucksolutions4579]

This is brilliantly written

[@Electricsheep86]

Is it? This is typical Religious claptrap. God has no responsibility for what is wrong with the World. It's shameful and pandering.

[@jsmall10671]

I did like the ideas, but when you realize that this entire movie was just proselytizing, it ruins it. The whole thing about abortion was just laughably stupid and non-canonical.

[@vaviloffx]

...but terribly, terribly performed. When your only shtick is grotesquely twitching mouth, it's not very good acting.

[@chucksolutions4579]

@@jsmall10671 “stupid and non-canonical.” What does that mean?

[@chucksolutions4579]

@@vaviloffxI have not seen the movie but I thought it was good. The constant hunger and thirst that can never be quenched. In fact hunger/thirst are mere shadow of the appetite being portrayed, the closest human physical expression of the desires.

[@Rubadub105]

Do you know how dark this is? From a theological perspective its horrifying. He's saying God doesn't give a crap, its all a game and instead of mercy God chose to gloat.

[@monk3110]

It’s also the literal demon’s take on things

[@darthmeta6445]

The most convincing lies are made from a warped sense of the truth.

[@KatWoodland]

The mouth movements of the actor in orange is exactly what a person run by a demon is actually like.

[@jgphilosophy9963]

🤦‍♂️

[@darrennew8211]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious.

[@721rena]

The acting and facial movements and everything reminds me of my ex who was sadly addicted to drugs and highly traumatized after being ganggraped. Lookin at this had me crying cause he reminds me of him so much it hurts

[@omathitis8498]

So, in this movie, demons are like spoiled brats that got spanked and disowned. They call obedience to a perfect being slavery, but in the end, got enslaved by someone just like them. What a tragedy.

[@grandtheftaudio6386]

not exactly. From what it sounds like from the story being told by the Demon; "Angels" were given free will by "God" but barred from using it because "God" demanded that they be subservient to him because he created them, no choice or discussion on the matter. Angered by this they rebelled but were outcasted for doing so, abit of a twist on the traditional story told but it doesnt indicate if the Demons follow their "Master" willingly or out of force.

[@lesigh1749]

That sounds like a lot of Millenials.

[@Mlanding1]

poor interpretation of this scene

[@kaj7135]

@@lesigh1749*Zoomers

[@Swaggmire215]

I'm given free will but if I actually use free will I get punished. Da fuq

[@bearhall4919]

This movie was so much better than I was expecting in today's movie climate.

[@siddislikesgoogle]

They cannot repent, therefore they can't be forgiven.

[@tubaszuba]

They could repent, but they'd still be unforgiven because they 100% knew the consequences going in.

[@siddislikesgoogle]

@@tubaszuba they WONT repent I think is better. They have free choice, but the basis upon which they took the decision to turn away from God is one of perfect information. Nothing new can be argued for them to change their minds. They witnessed the full Spendour and Majesty of God and concluded: no. You can't come back from that.

[@mlamont235]

@@siddislikesgoogle this concept makes me wonder why humans are subject to eternal punishment then, because we haven't witnessed full splendor and majesty. All we have is faith. Our faith either gets us into heaven, or the lack of faith subjects us to torture. I just don't understand how it's fair.

[@redink71]

@@mlamont235 Because people Choose hell. What has God said If you love me follow my commandments. So we know all we need to know. We choose not to follow the commandments and therefore choose hell. We don't need the same treatment the angels had. We have our own marching orders.

[@ernestoA.1999]

“Everybody deserves a chance “ John Krammer

[@holdfast7182]

Ah, demons and their lies. They were endowed upon their creation with full knowledge as to what rebellion would do to them. They knew that the only true way to happiness was to surrender their free will and do the will of God. They knew that departing from God would depart them from all that is good and pure. But they chose themselves over God, and in doing so, chose themselves over others.

[@The_infinite_wanderer]

It's called free will....

[@adamweems1808]

That's called slavery my guy and it's objectively an evil act.

[@holdfast7182]

@@adamweems1808 So this is why the angels are happy? Because God "enslaves" them? And this is why the demons are miserable?Because they're "freed" from God? How many slaves do you know are overjoyed to be slaves? How many freed men are miserable that they're freed? Instead of making up BS, just admit you didn't think too deeply about God's nature.

[@thaistomp]

@@adamweems1808 Everyone must kneel before God or become slaves in hell...

[@adamweems1808]

I have thought deeply about this over many years and I've come to the conclusion that God demands love from his creations simply for creating them, and if they refuse they subject themselves to eternal torture. It doesn't sound like much of a choice to me. Bow or suffer. I'm sorry your so deluded that you can't see that.

[@visvivalaw]

"A Demon is just an Angel who chose the wrong side." -- Demon Protocol

[@IAmAlpharius20]

"A demon is an angel who rebelled against God out of pride." --people who know what they're talking about

[@visvivalaw]

@@IAmAlpharius20 Does God approve of your arrogance? Isn’t pride a sin?

[@IAmAlpharius20]

@@visvivalaw how is calling out your ignorance and deception "pride"?

[@visvivalaw]

@@IAmAlpharius20 You'll never get the irony.

[@joshmccollen700]

They're still slaves.

[@Rick-or2kq]

We are slaves of life thrown into chaos and we spend our lives trying to put into order our own little world, which is futile attempt when we don't understand the nature of existence. I have told people if you cannot look up at the sky at night and tell what that is and how it came to be, then you know nothing, except how to beath and walk.

[@jupiterrising887]

@@Rick-or2kq That's just garden variety existentialism. It's a recent idea and it's a bad one, that road leads to the puddle argument. God is demonstrably real. Seek and ye shall find is a truth as old as anything, and some people are lost because they don't seek after anything but their own pleasure. People are on a happiness quest, not a truth quest.

[@sippxn]

​@@jupiterrising887 >some people are lost because they don't seek after anything They are 'lost' because pleasure is the only really intrinsic verifiable thing to our brain. Also, I've seeked after god but was pushed away from it because i realised the problem of evil. God does not seem loving at all....

[@trlavalley9909]

Best 5 Minutes of dialog I have heard in years, TY for sharing.

[@geoffallen2835]

Do you live in an intellectual vacuum?

[@bugen5]

What's funny is, he talks about being endowed with free will but not able to use it. But they obviously did use it if they were able to revolt against God. Furthermore, these beings were born into paradise and craved sin. Us, on the other hand, were born into sin and crave paradise. But their plan to take down humanity has already failed with the sacrifice of Jesus.

[@Aries_Luck]

God predestined everyone s choice es. There’s no free will.

[@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922]

the only way you can use free will it is when you go against the rulles! when you follow the rulles other people or beens or whatever already made the decision to what should be done and how!! only when you makes a choice of not doing it or not following! That is what makes the free will real!!

[@paulryan2128]

@@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922 But .... what if you actually agree with the rules and choose (*choice*) to follow them. Isn't that Free Will? If "not", why not?!

[@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922]

@@paulryan2128 it would be free will if there were no punishment if you choose not to follow them!! it is like: "you can do whatever you want but if you don´t obey me i´m going to punish you, you will soffer"!! it is as if you can choose but you just not allowed to choose something different from what i want you to!!! so you can only use free will when you don´t follow rules!!

[@LCD04]

@@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922to say there is no free will is to think there should be no consequences for your actions. Free will is there just as an outcome to any situation is there.

[@Christus-Veritas]

*"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of lies."* John 8:44

[@BlackGoId]

“So much for free will and love.” God: “I brought you into creation, I can take you out. Instead I’ll just replace.” Sounds merciful to me. Not like he fully destroyed you.

[@Youtube304s]

he doesnt give you a will to not use it, thats exactly the point, you choose to be a coworker in the plan of creation or you choose rebellion. To choose otherwise is the conviction of your own heart in the selection of pride over your God. As the Orthodox say, "Those in Hell, chose to be there". God forces no one. Amen.

[@AbideandBelieve]

Well said... I think they choose to be there until they realize what it really is and that it's forever. Then I'm sure some are really grieved at the choice they made but it's too late at that point.

[@Youtube304s]

@AbideandBelieve maybe. From my readings, not that they have the chance, the damned don't want to be nearer to God. Otherwise, they would have tried to be in life.

[@AbideandBelieve]

@@KZbin304s This makes lots of sense. Just look at how vehemently people hate God just because they have aligned themselves with the devil and do NOT want to give up their sins.

[@Youtube304s]

@AbideandBelieve good point. This passage is interesting. He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:29. The rich man doesn't ask for his salvation, merely water from his former servant. Even in death, he wants to continue his former life.

[@mistersinister2043]

Literally contradicts himself multiple times. He says they have free will, but then that they serve another master. Then he says humans have free will, but were conquered by nature.

[@jsmall10671]

Right, bc it's impossible to make rational dialogue about this bronze age nonsense.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

His type are liars. What do you expect?

[@ScottishRoyal1]

He chose his second master though by rebellion, his first one was forced.

[@mistersinister2043]

@@ScottishRoyal1 Why does he have a master if he is supposed to have free will?

[@cybertron1000s]

Atheists trip over semantic differences and larp as intellectuals.

[@ArnoldsDesign]

Good movie. It's amazing what can be done with a minimalist set, and great writing and acting.

[@TylerDurden-oy2hm]

well i have to say the umm actor playing the demon was superb in the role..very very good.there were shades of heath ledgers joker.(RIP Heath).very deep subjects.

[@Snarflelocker]

it was the way he moved his tongue inside his mouth, Heath's Joker did that a lot. I thought the same thing.

[@ST-fh3ti]

Hard to believe that that is the same actor who played Indiana Jones in the young Indiana Jones adventures TV show.

[@Save657]

Your "master" desired to be worshipped, which was something NEVER meant to be. -Matthew 4:9, 10

[@LowenKM]

Yep, and in the end, they _ALL_ turn out to be petty and vengeful gods.... "created in _our_ own image"

[@alexandersears8538]

"Live a just life, and if the Gods are just they will reward you whether you worship them or not. If they are not just, you should not worship them. And if there are no Gods, you will have lived a just life and be honored in the memories of your descendants." - Marcus Aurelius

[@55Quirll]

Yet that is exactly what god wants, he doesn't want to be just acknowledged, he wants to be worshipped too, if you don't worship him you will be condemned to eternal damnation and torment.

[@55Quirll]

@@alexandersears8538 This is the best way to live your life, thank you for post this.

[@777logos2]

@@55Quirll Guess that makes the choice easy considering he’s done so much, including giving us life. Not to mention the enemy wants to destroy you and the Lord seeks to give eternal life. Choice is easy when dealing with truth compared to the lies of the world and those who love darkness.

[@greygremlin1248]

He calls himself a slave. But heaven his paradise. A world were there is know violence. Sickness. Starvation. Warmth. Light. Then he rebelled and cast into a slum like pit of fire rock, blood and pain. If serving in paradise is slavery, i would mind it

[@FleetwoodPatch]

The fact that Hollywood turned its back on this movie is the proof to me that satan already has complete control over the industry. As long as Satan convinces those he doesn’t exist, the more carnage he can carry out. We need Jesus desperately right now!

[@ashtonpierce3109]

You understand that the this video literally describes a story that would considered heresy in any church in the world right? Maybe holly wood turned their back on this movie because it was actually promoting Satan, ever think of that ?

[@ernstlangmann]

Hollywood would rather go for movies like the Pope's Exorcist and shows like Evil showing fictionalized fantasy over things like this that speak the truth.

[@EphemeralProductions]

Exactly. And they turned it down also because it would have been found “boring” by moviegoers since it’s just a conversation and none of the action or supernatural that sells. Which is sad, in many ways.

[@jsmall10671]

@@EphemeralProductions It was probably turned down b/c it's straight up proselytizing BS.

[@EphemeralProductions]

@@jsmall10671 whatever. Your opinion is your opinion and you’re entitled to it

[@Not_A_CIA_Agent]

Incredible acting from the actor playing the demon. Absolutely sinister. Probably best portrayal of evil i've ever seen. The petty vindictiveness of the demon is probably the most disturbing part, makes your skin crawl.

[@randybaumery-cp7tf]

This reminds me of how in the new Testament, the Pharisees struggled with who Jesus was but the demons would scream His name and title loudly. They KNEW.

[@kellymoses8566]

Humans have invented hundreds of gods in history. Atheists simply believe in one less than monotheists.

[@AbideandBelieve]

@@kellymoses8566 Atheists think they're quite clever....until Judgement Day

[@dane947]

@@AbideandBelieve It's odd how often this is stated by a believer with some sort of _satisfaction_ in what they are implying. When I say odd, take is as disgusting really.

[@jsmall10671]

@@AbideandBelieve Oh look, a death cult.

[@AbideandBelieve]

@@dane947 Judgment Day is a reality that we all have to come to grips with... It is why Christians are constantly telling others about their faith because they don't want to see others come under God's wrath. But usually the ones perishing just complain that Christians try to push their faith on people too much .... Can't really win.

[@ysgramornorris2452]

@@AbideandBelieve Because it's totally coming next time, unlike the 1,000 previous times it was foretold and didn't happen. I know it's impossible to reason with you people, but come on, at least try to be convincing.

[@thebustosfamily]

sean patrick flanery is an ok actor but he was great in this movie. The way he switched personality was beautifully done.

[@matthewmatt5285]

Time has not been kind to him,.. He's unrecognizable almost~

[@deviousmile669]

sooo...dad was a bit strict, you were a petulant child and when daddy had a second child you decided to torture your little brothers instead of keep hating on your dad....wow such superior being

[@jsmall10671]

And dad knew exactly what would happen when he birthed the older brothers, but birthed them anyway. Think on that.

[@deviousmile669]

@@jsmall10671 thinking on that...but replacing strict with ahole Does not change the rest of my sentence

[@PeteNice29]

It's funny how smug the atheist is (accurately depicted in other words), yet the demon resonates with him. Also, perfectly depicted.

[@nooneinparticular7980]

It’s a great subtle nod to the average atheist

[@dauntless0711]

I grow tired of this stereotype. Why can’t religious films ever depict an atheist as a guy who just doesn’t believe the claims of the Bible because he’s never been given a reason to? Instead, atheists are always, in a word, assholes. You want to talk about cocky condescending certitude, how about the religious being 100% convinced they know what atheists are thinking better than they do, because the Bible says everyone knows God exists, even if only subconsciously?

[@pnut3844able]

Arrogant? No that would be you theists

[@jmlaw8888]

​@@pnut3844ableYeah hard to get more smug than neatly sorting the universe in accordance with their pathetic beliefs and believing they have a personal relationship with its creator.

[@bodricthered]

Since when is saying 'I'm not convinced of your claim...'. Arrogant?

[@daviddunne4737]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist."

[@Tstep45_qr]

When the demon claim that humans were created to fill the places of the fallen Angels It reminds me of the different degree of glory a soul will experience in paradise according to their sanctity 🙏🙏

[@nadura55]

He is enslaved to his own grudges , contempt and helpless against his own corruption. That’s the trick the devil tries to sell you when he calls you the slave

[@andywomack3414]

Did Jordan Peterson write the script for this? Only the Great Mind of Peterson could make sense of this nonsense dialogue.

[@vincycode8726]

4:32 one of the most powerful line in this movie

[@taracollins5597]

Wow, this was a bit different....I liked it. The fact that it was a 'serious' discussion between a demon & a disbelieving doctor. The entire film should be quite interesting as well. Has it been released yet?

[@AbideandBelieve]

Yes, you can find it on the Angel Studios app or VidAngel as well as KZbin, Amazon prime video and Google Play store.

[@fatmayo2293]

Yes it was released in July. I highly recommend it.

[@AbideandBelieve]

@@fatmayo2293 Yes, I would definitely recommend nefarious and the sound of freedom

[@KevinTkt14]

​@@AbideandBelieve2 of my favorites this year

[@domino6434]

@@AbideandBelieve honestly sound of freedom was mid at best

[@robertgenuario3435]

Very well done... CS Lewis would be proud 😊

[@Eddietorres1959]

Who? Is that a movie?

[@robertgenuario3435]

@Eddietorres1959 Hi Eddie, CS Lewis is a well know Christian author and defender of the faith from the WW2 era +-. He wrote Mere Christianity and more specifically to this case the Screwtape Letters. Worth checking out. Hope you are well.

[@YoutubeISPROPAGANDA]

@@Eddietorres1959LMAOOO 😂

[@chichi775]

When the demon refused that poor soul, his last meal was so so disturbing to me! Just shows the pure evil

[@KenMac-ui2vb]

That prisoner was one incredible actor. Very well done.

[@NorthForkFisherman]

So...Daddy Issues X10^100? Odin's Balls! Kripke's Supernatural was spot on.

[@SSD_Penumbra]

Nope. Paradise Lost was spot on, which is where most interpretations in Hollywood come from.

[@NorthForkFisherman]

@@SSD_Penumbra And that itself is more than likely a derivative work itself. I'd hazard on Dante and Marcus Tullius Cicero. In the end, there's nothing new under the sun.

[@SSD_Penumbra]

@@NorthForkFisherman Not Dante, that's for sure. His demons weren't actually demons, just people consigned to hell. Milton was pretty clear that Lucifer and the Fallen were demons.

[@NorthForkFisherman]

@@SSD_Penumbra And in reality, just more angels. And that was especially true in how Supernatural presented them as well - right bastards all.

[@Ponera-Sama]

Who knew this Christian movie would make such a great argument against the idea that God is loving and merciful.

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

Well, I mean, the Old Testament already kind of makes that argument...

[@jsmall10671]

@@benwheeler4223 They don't counteract the atrocities of the OT. See, this is the problem with claims of perfection. It only takes one mistake to prove the claim wrong. Y'all should have just stuck with "Really loving" instead of "All loving"

[@waxbruh5965]

@@jsmall10671atrocities? By what standard are you judging God?

[@HelloH-ku3cj]

You need JESUS.

[@Ponera-Sama]

You need KIM IL-SUNG.

[@oakleyorbit]

1:46 dudes brain fractured a little

[@solomon1021]

The demon seems like he got his facial ticks from Heath Ledgers joker in the Dark Knight

[@721rena]

More like the facial ticks come from many people who suffer from severe psychosis and drug addiction

[@Netomp51]

Everyone must see what happened to the producers, that is clear evidence evil exist and if evil exist the opposite force must exist !

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

Indeed! Its my secondary argument to use against atheists/agnostics when im unable to find common ground in scientific phenomenon in favor of Intelligent Design.

[@garybrown2039]

I'm sorry. Are you referring to the incident with the exorcist while they were editing the video? Or did something else happen after the movie released?

[@Netomp51]

@@garybrown2039 the writter almost died of a rare bacteria, he prayed and he was also suddenly healed, and the producers were almost killed in car accidents

[@garybrown2039]

@@Netomp51 Praise be to the Lord our God then.

[@andreasfoerster772]

Lol he knows more about theology than any human ever, but still can’t realize he lost, again, because Christ atoned for humanity’s sins with his life, death and resurrection.

[@stephenleathers6395]

Even so, that doesn't change the reason for God's "salvation". To replace the fallen angels in heaven as slaves to eternal worship. The demon makes a few very solid points

[@TheHigherVoltage]

Don't try to apply logic or reason or intellectual honesty to religious claims. You'll always fail and realize it's all BS. Just keep that faith against reality going.

[@Mihayan1]

did he attone for demonity's sins as well tho?

[@TheHigherVoltage]

The Christian mythology falls apart when you realize human existence in this universe is pointless, according to the claims made. The myths have saints being up in heaven, hanging out, having free will, and sinning. Opps...kicked out. So then humans are suppose to have been made...and given a "test" to see if they're worthy of heaven. And absolutely nothing stopping them from sinning once they get there. Makes the whole concept of "life is a test" completely meaningless when you can still sin in heaven and get kicked out.

[@fvw88]

For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know, even as also I am known.

[@youareacoward8459]

The demon has a point. Angels are slaves according to the Bible.

[@unatco6554]

Angels aren't "slaves". This is a juvenile take. Are knights "slaves" to their king?

[@zm1786]

yes and Humans are favored over angels, thats why 1/3rd of angels rebelled against God.

[@paullentz1972]

@@unatco6554 It's all made up BS. The isnt some 'god' or 'devil' playing puppet master. No heaven, no hell.....just a big Universe (with Earth a very, very, very, small part of it. Life has existed for several billion years...while homo sapiens have existed for approximately 200,000 years. In other words, some made up god DID NOT 'grab a piece of dirt, blow his freaking breath into it and create man'....evolution did.

[@DarkMatter2525]

@@unatco6554 What are their other options?

[@unatco6554]

@@DarkMatter2525 its not an options question as for some, loyalty and duty aren't an "option".

[@syntaxed2]

Good movie actually - It stays on topic, good acting, good script dialogue and is unpredictable enough to hook you in

[@jsmall10671]

Meh. Some parts were well done. But the proselytizing ruined it. And the stuff about abortion was laughable and non-canonical.

[@scottkendall5655]

The underlying motivation in every nonbeliever...disobedience.

[@giantslug6969]

"my master told us that the other guy made us slaves" what logic

[@Mr379789]

Interesting to see demon in prisoner's appearance

[@EphemeralProductions]

That’s because the demon was inside the dude and controlling him. :)

[@paulryan2128]

From the dialog, I figured out that the demon makes a lot of input in the comment sections of many of the You Tube channels that I look into. I mean A LOT!!

[@mememan2344]

It's probably why you can't look 5 comments into a thread without people aruging, insulting, correcting each other, etc.

[@deadhardy]

This movie had the dumbest arguments lol

[@YoutubeISPROPAGANDA]

They’re all based on paradise lost… just because you’re too simple minded and uneducated to understand doesn’t make them dumb. Go watch BRAINDEAD marvel movies

[@jsmall10671]

The abortion was was just ridiculous.

[@MightyJabroni]

I am glad to see that they at last somewhat improved the after school specials.

[@mj6258]

The acting by Sean is easily some of the best i have ever seen . Absolutely incredible.

[@geraldjohnson8871]

Slave to one master or the other. The difference is the Eternal reward from the beginning to our Eternal End. I choose to live and if l suffer for good in this life l will be rewarded in the Next Life with my God. AMEN Creator.

[@55Quirll]

Eternal Worshiping? That is just as much punishment as Eternal damnation

[@thetavibes9021]

@geraldjohnson8871 Salvation isn't obtained through faith... it's obtained through knowledge (gnosis) You're not a follower... You're just a fan. You don't have Christ consciousness.

[@geraldjohnson8871]

@thetavibes9021 @t t v9021. If what you say is true then You are in big Trouble, Knowledge Comes by Faith Of the One and Only (haya) Father of all Spirits. AMEN. 1. Corinthians 8:1, vs2 If any man think that he know any thing, he knows Nothing,yet as he ought to know. AMEN.

[@geraldjohnson8871]

@@55Quirll @55 q. your thoughts will lead you to your Destiny. AMEN.

[@55Quirll]

@@geraldjohnson8871 My destiny is already set, as is everyone else and no one can change there's

[@JamesB21a]

Holy crap! How did I miss this one? Is the rest of the movie as well written as this?

[@prdmakovy]

just thinking the same, i must watch it ASAP

[@zoraxBonesplitter]

It is, completely worth the watch

[@prdmakovy]

@@zoraxBonesplitter ill find the movie and watch it today after work definitely

[@ThePerpetualStudent]

On it!!

[@prdmakovy]

@@zoraxBonesplitter watched it yesterday as promised, loved it 😀

[@davidf5609]

I watched the whole thing and it's nothing but sanctimonious religious conservatism.

[@sippxn]

A circlejerk basically

[@jd190d]

Without objective proof of the "demon's" statements, it's nothing more than a fantasy he created. I could do the same diatribe about the Easter Bunny and it would have just as much meaning. It's amazing how so many people argue about the validity of a movie written by people with a particular bias.

[@martinquill5974]

I guess you didn't like it then?

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

He said that GOD wanted them to be slaves so they rebelled. And then he kept mentioning his master and his master's plan. Conclusion: he rebelled because he did not want to be a slave and then immediately and willingly became a slave anyway. The same sort of cognitive dissonance possessed by people who declared that, in their judgement, anyone who judges others is an evil person worthy of contempt and ridicule.

[@Kassadinftw]

The mistake of Satan and the demons was that they perceived that only by defying Gods will could they be free, but by defying God they soon realized they had made their own inextricable chains. Inextricable not because of God but because of their own pridefulness not to repent. No demon ever asks Jesus for forgiveness.

[@dsagent]

I wonder if the demons are impressed with the cruelty of humanity.

[@darlalei4303]

I wonder if lions are impressed by what hyenas do. 😉

[@Your_Bro_Keith]

"Sometimes you amaze even us."

[@birdofevil7970]

A Japanese legend says that Earth was once swarming with ghosts and demons, but when they saw the cruelties humans inflict on one another, they fled the Earth in horror.

[@glennryan646]

Such cruelty originates with and from them. This is the reprobate sense.

[@marklamora885]

If god is omnicient and knows everything you'll ever do, that means you don't have free will.

[@tjones5719]

That is a non sequitur. 1) You are cherry picking what omniscient means. 2) You are assuming you know what a being would do with that ability. 3) Someone knowing what you will do doesn’t preclude that you had the ability to choose, they just essentially predicted which path you would choose. You cannot make your conclusion logically with those flaws present.

[@biggest23]

@@tjones5719….Omniscient means all knowing, past, present & future and is what is claimed the Christian god possesses, ergo, the OP is quite correct in his statement. Christians can claim free will exists, or that their god is omniscient but, not both.

[@tjones5719]

@@biggest23​​⁠”Omniscient means all knowing, past, present & future” not necessarily. In most cases it means all knowing but what even all knowing means may not be about the future. “and is what is claimed the Christian god possesses”. You believe in the Bible? You should back away from your indoctrination and analyze rather than read like a child. The Bible uses very poetic language in places but that doesn’t mean there is true literal meaning. You have done what the OP did and cherry picked the meaning of omniscient. “ergo, the OP is quite correct in his statement.” Nice lie considering you still didn’t do anything but provide your faulty opinion on one item that I brought up (and committed the same error with that item) and didn’t even address the others. “Christians can claim free will exists, or that their god is omniscient but, not both.” Nice lie and non sequitur. Until you can address the points without your fallacies you have done nothing but repeat the unsupported claim with a little kicking and screaming thrown in.

[@justinfuriated]

yes you do. free to go to hell or heaven if you want.

[@robo2729]

God knows every decision you can make, because he can see all possibilities. But you have the ability to choose what you will do at each moment in time. God did not make robots, he made thinking creatures. If we had no free will then we would have been created to only love him and would never disobey...look around the world on any day to see the evidence of our free will. Sin exists because it is opposition to god, and something we can choose to do...precisely because he gave us the ability to reject him and his will in our lives. Love also requires choice.

[@supraguardian]

As someone who has spent years in this ministry, every once in a while you will get snippets of a conversation like this, especially about their superiority or the rebellion. But this would be more authentic if there was boasting (I have never met anyone who boasts more than a demon, especially one that doesn't think it will be exorcised (by the power of Jesus-not my own), and it would be more authentic with lots of misdirection and deceit. This is too calm and straightforward to be realistic. But kinda reminiscent of conversations had, for sure.

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

They adapt, James.

[@sdimagpie6854]

If you don't mind someone asking, what denomination are you? I've watched tons of exorcist interviews but most of them are only catholic. Nothing at all wrong with that, I was just curious as to the similarities and differences other denomination exorcists may have seen.

[@dannyandriotes5608]

He is right Satan knows scripture better than any Christian the problem is he twists it!!!

[@aceknowledgable9403]

This only confirms that Hell is both a state of being (physical reality) and a place (nonphysical reality) and if humanity is just a means to an end, then we need Christ/God more than ever. Let us all pray and be close with our Lord and Savior, our Creator, our Father.

[@jsmall10671]

Hell is a place of fiery torment, your jesus explicitly said so. Don't be afraid of dealing with your god's evils.

[@jaymiddleton5807]

If I was the doctor I would’ve laughed and said “You’re a Kevin Smith fan. You took most of that speech from the 1999 movie Dogma! POSER”

[@iusedyourtowel6765]

This sympathetic backstory about poor demons' feelings is not found in the Bible, despite it being re-hashed again and again and again in movies.

[@NateB]

Isn’t it from Milton

[@fifonefifty]

Pride is the reason for all there rebellions.

[@maxiebon1]

The could just be fighting for there own free will to be an option. As we know that it really isn't. Even if you abide by the rules of god, he still wants you to surrender

[@garybrown2039]

And envy

[@55Quirll]

@@maxiebon1 Agreed, they acknowledge his existence,, they just don't won't to worship him, what is so wrong with that? Unless you look to the rulers to NK and see what happens to those who fail to worship him.

[@szylaj]

yes, all the slave revolutions that happened in US was purely out of pride

[@Belmont1714]

​@@55Quirll"What is so wrong with that?" That's the dumbest question you could possibly ask 🤦‍♂️

[@War-child_]

The depiction of atheists in christian films will never not make me laugh 😅, christians giving killers an alibi is crazy

[@TheSADHU88]

Goes to show you that, everything in life is a matter of perspective

[@viswaprasanna941]

"An apology for the devil: it must be remembered that we have heard one side of the case. God has written all the books." Samuel Butler

[@oldwhtman]

The demon makes a point that I have considered for a long time. What's the point of having a free will, if some higher authority is going to dictate how you behave and what you can say. It's only when we disobey that we are demonstrating free will. But it's best to disobey in private, unless you enjoy being punished.

[@jupiterrising887]

That's not true. We also demonstrate free will when we choose God. In fact it's easier to sin. It's much, much easier. Choosing God requires a daily, active, strong act of free will exercised against your carnal urges and inborn wickedness. Sinning requires so little free will, it comes so instinctively.

[@AbideandBelieve]

@jupiterrising887 good answer!!!!

[@allwillberevealed777]

​@@jupiterrising887 What is sin? 🤡

[@blakeavila4409]

@@allwillberevealed777Something that is morally wrong. Such as child molestation. Don’t tell me you don’t think that is morally wrong

[@alexandersears8538]

@@jupiterrising887 Freewill doesn't work with incentives (rewards) or punishments on the table. In fact imposing either, robs us of choice. It's coercion. And coercion is the opposite of freewill. If you do something only to avoid punishment, or only for the reward, then you haven't really exercised freewill, you've only submitted to the will of someone else (the rewarder or punisher). You've done what they wanted, when without that reward or punishment, you may have actually made your own, different choice.

[@smackerlacker8708]

I can tell that this was written by a Christian. I can also tell that the writer was themselves deeply conflicted, and asking really hard hitting questions about their faith. The "athiest" is flippant and dismissive, instead of deeply curious and concerned about the mental well-being of others. The demon, too makes very good points about the supposed nature of God, and rightfully opposes it, but in the process, fails to realize that he has become the thing he hates. The answers are here, hidden beneath the lies and self-deception. If you try hard enough to understand it, eventually you will realize that the only reasonable explanation is that it doesn't actually make sense at all. Keep writing, my friend. You'll get there soon. In the end, none of this matters. In the end, it all comes down to one simple question: If God loves me so much, why isn't he here?

[@Sorain1]

"The "athiest" is flippant and dismissive, instead of deeply curious and concerned about the mental well-being of others." This unfortunately does fit with the actions and attitudes of a lot of atheists during their interactions with people of faith, any faith.