UK: unelected head of state, over half its parliament unelected appointees, first past the post system that allows 44% of those who vote to elect a government with an overwhelming majority, and which fosters a 'winner take all' mentality, and equally seriously, the absence of a free press, an esential element of a healthy democracy. But look at those Europeans with their democratic deficit.
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Monarch is also the head of the state religion. Something even the Kim's don't have the balls for.
@gaycha6589 Жыл бұрын
And your point is?
@edwardbrady5843 Жыл бұрын
@@gaycha6589 I think Sean has made his point very well indeed, based on basic respect for humanity.
@grtcara8386 Жыл бұрын
Brexiteers are brain dead
@gaycha6589 Жыл бұрын
@@edwardbrady5843 then hopeful future Lab or Lib governments should really have the guts to put PR on their manifestos and change this for once and all.
@lecturesfromleeds614 Жыл бұрын
"democratic deficit" The Tories got a minority of the vote in 2019 but were handed an 80 seat majority to inflict whatever damage they chose onto the country!
@leewatts1570 Жыл бұрын
i bet you rooted for lockdown didnt you.. and now look. state of it all..and you idiots just blame brexit.. uuuh no dont work like that
@samhartford8677 Жыл бұрын
And don't forget the unelected House of Lords that actually has a legislative role. As ever, it's always about reflecting the failure of oneself onto others.
@col.hertford9855 Жыл бұрын
@@samhartford8677 and the House of Lords included a large number of bishops.
@tommyrotton9468 Жыл бұрын
and the Tory leaders/Parliament never really wanted to leave. Indeed under PM May we entered into new EU structures like the reformation of UK Forces, because it wasn't in 'the deal' to leave the new EU army structure. Then PM Boris just carried on the humbuggery. UK and EU have the same "democratic deficit"
@jim-es8qk Жыл бұрын
....and Labour got a smaller percentage of the vote and even bigger majority.
@andrescasado5975 Жыл бұрын
When you are used to privilege equality feels like oppression
@derfinsterling Жыл бұрын
It's weird to see a politician being allowed to make a point without being constantly interrupted and/or shouted over.
@feistyphysicist Жыл бұрын
That's because he is on the Left - the side which constantly interrupts. If this were a right-leaning person, he would be constantly asked questions on his first reply. James O'Brien (LBC) is the worst person to do it. He will ask a question and, as it's being answered, he will pose another - based on the first few words already given. It's a tactic used by the Left to stop an answer actually being given. It makes the interviewee look like he isn't actually armed with answers. Or, another tactic used by Left-leaning interviewers is to say, "So you're saying that...". This is used to make up an answer to a question posed which the interviewer didn't like and wants to alter. It was used by a Channel 4 interviewer on Prof. Jordan Peterson, but she was out of her depth, and has never recovered as a journalist since that interview - where he destroyed her. As someone neither Left nor Right, I want an answer to the question, and I want to hear the full answer. As someone who can debate, I let people talk, because they get themselves into trouble without me making any effort. Let people talk.
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
Nigel Farage and Ann Widdecombe will be missed in Brussels, for sure !
@feistyphysicist Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 People who hold others to account for their words or actions are essential to any debate or congress. In that sense they are evidently 'missed' within the EU. A nodding chamber will only ever produce tyranny.
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
@@feistyphysicist Sorry for you but as most Europeans, I do not feel "tyrannized" by that chamber. I feel more tyrannized by the amount of vitriol (and straightforward lies), your beloved Victorian MP's are able to throw to the face of their opponents. If this is to be a model of democracy, you can keep it on that side if the channel, indeed !
@feistyphysicist Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 Thank you, but we have no availability for your sorrow. And you misunderstand (I'm guessing it isn't your first time). I pointed out that any chamber of people who merely agree with everything always results in tyranny - I was drawing attention to why any congress needs people like Farage and Widdecombe. I wasn't suggesting that the EU was tyrannical. Perhaps you could read in a better fashion. Further, I don't know why you allude to British MPs as 'Victorian'. They are anything but - conservative values have gone. Perhaps you mean something else; in which case you have to be more specific. I wouldn't say that the British Parliament is a model of democracy, and I can't think of anyone who would. Equally, neither is the EU. However, Britain was the first to adopt a modern constitution.
@desertdetroiter428 Жыл бұрын
Correct. It’s none of the UK’s business anymore.
@ChrisLee-yr7tz Жыл бұрын
Doesn't stop or preclude any of us having an opinion though.
@desertdetroiter428 Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisLee-yr7tz true.
@charlesw852 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous. Of course he can have an opinion. The whole premise is delusional.
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisLee-yr7tz Of course but, as of now, you lost all power to bend the situation in the Continent, according to your needs.
@ChrisLee-yr7tz Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 What's that got to do with it? All I'm saying is anyone can have an opinion on it even if we don't have a say.
@adrianotowle849 Жыл бұрын
Very well said Neil. When we exited the EU we lost the right to determine any legislation or regulations. Why is it that this government,. media and other organisations feel that we have any influence on the 27 states that the EU represents. The EU will govern themselves without any input from us. We left under the guises of becoming a self regulating country, to prosper with free trade and enter into new trade agreements. Well that has turned out well. Shortages across the board, one of the lowest economies, businesses folding and shortages in labour. You couldn't make it up.
@marksykes1191 Жыл бұрын
Completely agree but it is here & people still are supporting it & believing the lies , people ought to be jailed for this , like bozo mogg Davis baker leadsome ids etc as a warning for lying in public office !
@marinusvos Жыл бұрын
"The EU will govern themselves without any input from us." Not true. The EU doesn't govern. The independent, sovereign, countries do! You English no sh*t about the EU!
@YouTube-are-Trump-Toilet-Crud Жыл бұрын
No, but the Tory fraudsters could label reality as “project fear”.
@applemanuk Жыл бұрын
Spot on @adrianotowie849 .. & we shall be forever poorer as a result of our nations continual decline. Whilst Union Jack flag waving sycophants continue to either ignore the problem, or lie to protect the mass delusion of Brexit.
@marksykes1191 Жыл бұрын
@@KZbin-are-Trump-Toilet-Crud They already did !
@TheMadSqu Жыл бұрын
My only complaint about his explanation is that he did not have a handmicrophone he could drop after finishing.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@briancarton1804 Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 No need for you to worry. The UK is not wanted back in the EU. I doubt the UK will ever be back but Scotland will join and NI uniting with Ireland and maybe Wales will go its own way and join. England might apply in 50 or 60 years when the population has been cured of exceptionalism disease.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 So what? What is wrong with that? It was designed to become a Peace project in Western Europe and to that end, it has succeeded admirably.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
@@petergaskin1811 It has succeeded admirably ! then what about Ukraine ?
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
@@petergaskin1811 The Fact that it is a "Federal Project" and you don't mind, but one thing for sure "no way were you guys gonna own up to that" in the run up to the 2016 Referendum
@StickyBud9395 Жыл бұрын
Old Labour man talking sense , what a breath of fresh air compared to these liars ruining the country now .
@LambsyLamb Жыл бұрын
I've always thought people saying the EU council wasn't democratic was always a stupid argument!
@philrothwell6858 Жыл бұрын
Old failed Labour man and family made a fortune from the EU !!!!
@alanbrown4637 Жыл бұрын
Yes you are right thay are liars tories said thay would get brexit done
@grassytramtracks Жыл бұрын
@@alanbrown4637 because Brexit will never be 'done' if what you count done as being when the benefits come, which is never. It's a complete white elephant that won't be done just like that
@alanbrown4637 Жыл бұрын
@grassytramtracks you are probably right has long has we have governments that don't believe in democracy like Labour and tories it won't be done that's why we need a government that will get it done like reform uk tels hope people see sense at next elections and don't vote labour
@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 Жыл бұрын
Any "democracy deficit" in the EU was always just a talking point of people in the UK who know nothing about the EU and generally tend towards authoritarian, nationalistic views.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 how many times have you pasted this comment today, bot?
@patrickneylan Жыл бұрын
So, people who want democracy "tend towards authoritarian, nationalistic views". If you don't like democracy, just say so.
@xShiiqey Жыл бұрын
@@patrickneylan People who SAY they want (more) democracy*
@speedy7040 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickneylan have you voted for Sunak ? for the dumb blonde before him ? for the red nose liar clown before her ?... did you vote for any of your leaders from the House of Lords ? did you vote at all, except for brxshit? ....oh, I know, ... you DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED CHARLES ....right ?...
@sardendibs Жыл бұрын
The EU has a democratic deficit? That's rich coming from a country that currently has a super-majority government based on receiving just 43% of the popular vote at the last election. And a government that pushed through a hard brexit despite 53% of the electorate voting for parties supporting a 2nd Brexit referendum at that same election. The UK's FPTP-system is archaic and undemocratic, yet very few people even talk about this in the UK - preferring to point their finger across the channel.
@willieckaslike Жыл бұрын
As SPOCK, "It's democracy Jim, but not as the Greeks intended it to be"!
@harryvanrijn6366 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the 800 seat House of Lords. Unelected and stuffed to the rafters with cronies, donors and dubious characters!
@sardendibs Жыл бұрын
@@harryvanrijn6366 Indeed. There's that too.
@proxis9980 Жыл бұрын
@@harryvanrijn6366 i have to agree but in the current form id rather have 2 house of lords...they mostly at least take reality somewhat serious....also i think the lords shoudl exist but ONLY with ascended people (aka no donors no actual lords and ladies no gifted seats etc) only speakers(minimum of 2cycles) and maybe ministers that have serverd more than 5 cycles(cumulative regardles of role)....
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
U ninny,...a second ref. when they hadn't even implemented the first one...that's fascism.
@simonjohn9525 Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful explanation. All Brexit supporting politicians should be confronted with it!
@wjf0ne Жыл бұрын
Simon John I've heard it said that if the EU was to apply for membership of the EU it would be rejected for its democratic deficit.
@marinusvos Жыл бұрын
@@wjf0ne True!
@sirmeowthelibrarycat Жыл бұрын
@@wjf0ne 😠 Very amusing, in an infantile way. Now set out in exact details what you mean by a ‘democratic deficit’ in respect of the European Union 🇪🇺. I suggest you listen V E R Y C A R E F U L L Y to what Mr Kinnock said, before you submit an answer.
@viquiben4919 Жыл бұрын
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat 👍
@joprocter4573 Жыл бұрын
The fact that kinock absent from UK x yrs and cares more for another colony that makes him multi millionaire to thank grave robbers EU
@franswiggers220 Жыл бұрын
It is a real drama that after 5 decades of membership the british people still needs to be educated on the functioning of the EU.
@martinhambleton5076 Жыл бұрын
It is totally disfunctional. Uneconomical. Self-serving and totally pointless. Leave business to those who can do it Their political standards are of no known standard. Think about this. In any form of business or business standard, they have absolute zero knowledge. So what and whose standards are they enforcing? This proves without a doubt self-importance, vanity, greed, control, and power.
@aleph8888 Жыл бұрын
EU Court judges are banned from writing dissents, but they keep rewriting the Treaties.
@franswiggers601 Жыл бұрын
@@aleph8888 There is no such thing as an EU Court, so which of the following 4 are you talking about: European Court of Justice; General Court of the Europen Union; European Court of Auditors; European Court of Human Rights. However the fact alone that I have to ask is proof enough of my original statement. Furthermore, European Judges don't write or rewrite treaties. That would be in direct conflict with the Trias Politica. That right is explicitly reserved for the Legislation, that is European Parliament, and the National Parliaments, as applies. Judges, at best, interpret laws/treaties and verify them for mutual consistency.
@paolocarpi4769 Жыл бұрын
@@aleph8888 Keep drinking your beer at the pub, old chap, but football should be the object of your statements, something you do know about.
@Gunnl Жыл бұрын
@@paolocarpi4769 🤣 so funny it must be true...
@p.h.3987 Жыл бұрын
I am so happy Britain is out. The EU is much much better off without the blockheads in Britain.
@paulroden1355 Жыл бұрын
And vice versa
@LonnieHalouska Жыл бұрын
De Gaulle said exactly that more than 50 years ago. He's right.
@timdrums1 Жыл бұрын
So many valuable and relevant comments here. I’m struck by how many of the ‘old guard’ of politicians from either side of the UK’s political divide are able to express a crystal-clear and objective understanding of the issues surrounding Brexit and its impacts. Above all, it shows the incompetence and ignorance of the current crop of Brexiter politicians who continue to back what’s always been an ideological obsession with zero redeeming benefits - and who give zero fucks about consequences. Instead, they cling desperately to the wreckage of their pet project because they HAVE to be right.
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
he' loves it..he's on the gravy train.
@adrianlloyd6403 Жыл бұрын
What you don't seem to understand is that the 'old guard' of politicians, you praise, are the same politicians with personal and vested interests, who kept the UK in the common market/EEC/EU for fifty years, without giving the voters a chance to vote on whether they wanted the Maastricht or Lisbon Treaty that ceded more powers away from Westminster, and our sovereign parliament, to the EU.Again what you don't seem to appreciate is that in a democratic referendum vote a majority 17.4m people voted to LEAVE the EU.We're not talking some 'ideological obsession' or 'pet project' if 17.4m people voted for it.I would argue the ideological obsession lies with those wanting to rejoin the EU.Let's see in fifty years time of leaving the EU where the UK economy stands, rather than the three years we've had of leaving the EU, and a global Covid pandemic that wrecked most global economies,before we can judge the success or otherwise of leaving.The 'zero redeeming benefits' you talk about would be just that ,if the UK was still in the EU.The UK is in Europe but 17.4m people voted to trade and be neighbours with the countries of Europe,but not to be in the political and economic project that the EU federalists wish to create.The EU can follow its destiny without the UK being a part of it.Germany and France, as the power blocs in Europe, will always act in their national and self interest.The UK's national and self interest is best served outside the EU.
@stephenbarden6121 Жыл бұрын
Tim, it's this "Wonderful Old Guard" that has caused us so many of the problems that have now come home to haunt us. Forget buying a house if you're young, unless the Bank of Mum and Dad can help; privatisations across the board, which have given us unaccountable and uncontrollable companies which both bleed the taxpayer and enrich their shareholders; loose or non-existent regulation of the City of London, leading to the disastrous economic collapse of 2008 onwards, when poor and average salary workers were forced to spend an absolute fortune bailing out the banks, who've now shown their gratitude by both failing to pass on interest rate rises to savers and have caused a slew of branches. By the way, Tim, all of the events occurred whilst we were very much part of the EU, don't forget that. But please don't be fooled into feeling some sort of yearning for the inglorious days of Thatcher, Major, Blair and their ilk; they to a great extent sowed the very seeds which are now reaping a very bitter harvest.
@fitzstv8506 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianlloyd6403 The brexit a very narrow majority secured for the UK is not the berxit this very narrow majority voted for, the UK had many options with brexit but instead the flutes at the top opted for the nuclear one, the UK is now and will continue to pay the price for the naive decisions of the ERG, Johnson, JRM etc, the tail wagged the dog in the UK with brexit. If the 2016 referendum were to be repeated tomorrow with the electorate having the knowledge it has to day then the leave EU side would be blown out of the water.
@adrianlloyd6403 Жыл бұрын
@@fitzstv8506 Well rest assured in the knowledge that we're not going to have another referendum tomorrow on our EU membership, and neither the Tories or Labour have a policy to rejoin the EU anytime soon, so your prediction of the result of another referendum doesn't really matter does it?
@MaximilienRobespierre1 Жыл бұрын
Perfect speech Lord Kinnock!
@col.hertford9855 Жыл бұрын
Hi Max, He did a good interview on times Radio about three weeks back.. Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
@@col.hertford9855 left talking to the left.
@LeafHuntress Жыл бұрын
The Times is not now nor was it ever left. That paper is a Murdoch vehicle, you know, the one behind Fox news, that was just questioned under oath about Fox’s support for Trump’s election lies. You seriously need your political compass recalibrated, learn about actual socialism before spouting nonsense about it.
@col.hertford9855 Жыл бұрын
@@LeafHuntress it was an odd thing for them to say. The interview was interesting though. The time’s do some good interviews, their opinion pieces tend to be rather less balanced.
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
@@LeafHuntress Times is a rabid globalist and fanatically Remain paper.
@Paul-eb4jp Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant and clear explanation, I would have loved to have heard the questioner respond.
@catinthehat906 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes- but the EU Commission is the one that holds true power because it has the role of 'developing policy'- not the Parliament. It is essentially a civil service with vast political power. It's part of the design of the EU that ensures the principle of ever closer union continues inexorably. Now you can debate whether that is a good or bad thing and people will have different views- but it is the reality.
@dlevi67 Жыл бұрын
@@catinthehat906 In case you haven't noticed, the same is valid for Governments all over the world. Nobody is directly electing the UK PM _qua_ PM, and nobody approves (other than formally) the ministers the PM chooses. This is why it's particularly important that there is a separation of powers where someone else (in the UK's case, Parliament) is responsible for actually setting into law the policies proposed by the Government, and why 'rule by decree' (i.e. government/civil service directly issuing regulations) is not particularly 'democratic' (and can result in significant abuse). As you said, we can debate whether this is good or bad, but it is reality.
@catinthehat906 Жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 It's not quite the same because the UK Government that proposes legislation can be (and almost certainly will be) changed by the electorate, whereas the EU Commission cannot. That is the crux of the matter. It's like a more or less permanent government. That was the deliberate design again you can debate whether that is a good or bad thing depending on your political persuasion.
@batcollins3714 Жыл бұрын
I would assume that he's now sorry he asked that question.
@batcollins3714 Жыл бұрын
@@catinthehat906 The Uk should be the last to mention democracy as it prepares to crown another "king" who can legally dissolve Parliament if he wishes. People in glass houses........
@marrous4845 Жыл бұрын
Loud and clear. Thank you for this concise explanation.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
The EU is a Federal Project
@Driver2616 Жыл бұрын
That, by Neil Kinnock, is a concise, precise and accurate and very easily understandable description of how the EU is constructed, structured and administered. One other thing about Mr. Kinnock’s description herein is that it is so far removed from the lying, criminal, despicable utterances of the likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Mark Francois et al, about the same subject, The EU.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435Oh dear, it's you again. And again I say, so what?
@charleskaren3948 Жыл бұрын
If you wanna be successful, you most take responsibility for your emotions, not place the blame on others. In addition to make you feel more guilty about your faults, pointing the finger at others will only serve to increase your sense of personal accountability. There's always a risk in every investment, yet people still invest and succeed. You must look outward if you wanna be successful in life.
@guillaumeclement2363 Жыл бұрын
The first step to successful investing is figuring out your goals and risk tolerance either on your own or with the help of a financial professional but is very advisable you make use of a professional like I did. If you get the facts about saving and investing and follow through with an intelligent plan, you should be able to gain financial security over the years and enjoy the benefits of managing your money.
@nicolasadrien5100 Жыл бұрын
The stock market rally run is gone, but I'm not sure if equities will swiftly recover, keep falling, or fluctuate in a narrow range for a few weeks, or if things will quickly get worse. I'm under pressure to increase my $300k reserve.
@adrienjulien5573 Жыл бұрын
@@nicolasadrien5100the market is profiting if you are using a good broker or account manager to help out with trades or provide signals
@pierrelouis6841 Жыл бұрын
Making touch with financial advisors like Kimberly Kent who can assist you restructure your portfolio, would be a very creative option. Personal financial management will be crucial to navigating the next difficult times.
@Welch-miranda Жыл бұрын
Her success story is everywhere. I keep on hearing expert Mrs Kimberly's name being mentioned here and other platforms, Does she really worth the credits and reviews?
@johngould3724 Жыл бұрын
I almost forgot what a serious politician sounds like. The gulf between the quality of NK and the current motley crew is huge. It is more than a little depressing that we are being 'lead' by a cabal of charlatans and lightweights.
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
Michael Heseltine is as good on this issue as Neil Kinnock. Another serious politician of yesteryear.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Most of this Tory mob of thieves and beggars could only dream of being described as even third rate.
@davetdowell Жыл бұрын
A "serious politician" who never managed to convince an electorate that he should lead his country?
@johngould3724 Жыл бұрын
@@davetdowell with respect.... I think you are missing the point. Unless of course you have the irony filter on.😏
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
@@davetdowell Oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. If Neil Kinnock had been Labour leader at the general election John Major lost due to sleaze, Kinnock would have won it just the same as Tony Blair did.
@torre6721 Жыл бұрын
And there was I thinking Brexit was more about getting out before the anti-tax avoidance directive was introduced and about hatred against foreigners... .
@leewatts1570 Жыл бұрын
maaaaan them foriegners really fucking up Britain and its heritage and culture. sad times! raping young white girls coming to a town near you..unless you live in london. birmingham. telford.bradford.luton.Leicester then its already destroyed it
@michaelstramm2366 Жыл бұрын
Uhhmm, well Torre 6721 , it was all about that tax avoidance directive, all these rich peoples who suddenly had to fear that their unlawful shemes where getting out out on a table for everybody to see what lying bastards they are in reality, so they called their MP or some other people in a Position of power, and voila , you got blindsided , cheated and generally gaslighted. And a lot of Brits, bring dumb as donkeys in a icecreamshop just believed all that crap. And now there you go..
@markbriten6999 Жыл бұрын
@@leewatts1570 what a racist rant
@daarianaharis Жыл бұрын
One was the real, if nefarious and shamefully selfish, reason, the other the carrot with which to lure the plebs. But then, they needed an official reason, too, right?
@Atimatimukti Жыл бұрын
@@markbriten6999but wasn't that the main reason the Brits voted brexit? The get rid of all the foreigns? And EU regulations?
@mariusb5150 Жыл бұрын
Wow ... someone from the UK who seems to understand the EU ... quite refreshing.
@smokin999uk Жыл бұрын
I always giggle at the democratic deficit argument and the obsession with those elected, when a lot of our negotiations were handled by the now Lord Frost...never been elected ever...
@TheSoleGOAT Жыл бұрын
Especially when made by Brexiteers. Making the EU "more democratic" would most likely lead to the member states giving up some sovereignty...not really something Brexiteers would have wanted
@susannamarker2582 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSoleGOAT Quite right too. The EU is run on an old german foreign policy model called Limited Sovereignty. It's not about independent nations.
@jmccullough662 Жыл бұрын
Because he was a negotiator instructed by the UK government.
@jmccullough662 Жыл бұрын
@TheSoleGOAT How can it be more Democratic when only 1 out of 28 of the council members were elected by UK citizens whereas in the UK Parliament all the members are elected by UK citizens, and each member can be voted out by a UK citizen.
@TheSoleGOAT Жыл бұрын
@@jmccullough662 Did you even read my comment? I never said the EU was more democratic than the UK. I said that in order for the EU to be more democratic, the member countries would have to give up further sovereignty which is not something Brexiteers would have wanted. Therefore Brexiteers can't really make that argument.
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine Boris, Truss, or Sunak being so in control of a subject? No, nor me.
@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 Жыл бұрын
The folks in the UK votes for these idiots after choosing to believe the crap they read or listen to on UK right wing media. My brother lives in the UK and we were really disappointed about the lack of resistance towards Brexit. The stupid mob was voting and the knowledgeable people just kept silent. Why?
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
@@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 the stupid mob are louder and more extreme than the quiet ones and will do more to prove their support, however blindly and inappropriate it may be. logically speaking… Brexit wasn’t fought solely by politicians, it was very actively fought by the far right bigots and racists. Sadly we have a government currently that seems to stoke these fires instead of extinguishing any. It will change, it may take a while, but it will absolutely change.
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
@@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 if you find any of my comments from 2016 you will find I fought long and hard against idiots, but on KZbin the tide is too strong. 😂 Turns out lots of people are closet tories too. Idiots. 🤷🏼♂️
@evolassunglasses4673 Жыл бұрын
I can Peter Shore and Tony Benn. Both hated the EU Superstate.
@ironsideeve2955 Жыл бұрын
Johnson os actually pretty solid on certain subjects
@trevellyanblack4101 Жыл бұрын
A stunningly excellent and concise speech here by an 80 year old Neil Kinnock showing precisely that he is still a politician at the top of his game.
@deanjames2476 Жыл бұрын
He'd a career politician who's made millions out of the tax payers of this country including covering up corruption in the eu
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
2002...Marthea Andreasen exposed EU fraud and corruption. He sacked her.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@markthomas328 Жыл бұрын
Great speech by kinnock and 100% correct
@RobManser77 Жыл бұрын
Neil's giving the question asker too much respect here. I think most Brexiters just need to know: European Council: Elected members of state from EU countries. European Parliament: Separately elected MEPs from EU countries. Laws are passed: when the above separately elected bodies agree. European Commission: As the name suggested, they are commissioned to do things for the EUC and EUP, like draft laws etc. They are a Civil service with no power. Democratic Deficit: A term used to describe voter apathy, not any lack of democracy in the EU. Is is a lack of knowledge of these five facts that Farage et al relied on to spin their web of lies about "unelected" eurocrats. The EU are actually more democratic than anywhere else in the world.
@peterclarke7240 Жыл бұрын
Brexiteers response: Yeah, but you WOULD say that, wouldn't you? I don't believe it, because it doesn't fit with my prejudices, and I'm not going to do ANY research on the subject because a) my opinions are based on belief, not your silly facts, and b) I'm scared, but I'm going to turn that fear into rage.
@normanchristie4524 Жыл бұрын
@@peterclarke7240 bilge.
@peterclarke7240 Жыл бұрын
@@normanchristie4524 Really? Where have YOU been? 🤣 Anyone who's still a brexiteer isn't listening, and anyone who voted for Brexit also wasn't listening.
@p.g.u.d Жыл бұрын
I don't care. The EU can take a hike. Keep its nose out of OUR business.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
What Astonishing deception, Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@stpd1957 Жыл бұрын
Excellent speech from Neil Kinnock.
@markthompson6540 Жыл бұрын
EU my fxxxxxg taxes millionaire
@alanbrown4637 Жыл бұрын
He is still getting his pension from Eu 4.4 million he must have worked hard for that
@p.g.u.d Жыл бұрын
Hypocrisy. The EU likes to stick its stupid face into UK business though, doesn't it?
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that its a Federal project
@michaelburggraf2822 Жыл бұрын
On a national level different political interests are represented by different parties. The shares of seats in Parliament for each party are decided by general elections. The members of parliament decide how a government is formed. The challenge for the European Union and its institutions are quite higher because together with representing different political interests the different national interests of sovereign member states have to be respected and taken into consideration too - in every EU institution. From that point of view the EU isn't a perfect system yet it still is an admireably and surprisingly good one.
@johnlocke6506 Жыл бұрын
Especially if you are an also ran MP who has made a nice living out of the EU thank you very much.
@karstenschuhmann8334 Жыл бұрын
@@johnlocke6506Are you talking about Farage, who got himself elected to the EP without ever putting any effort to deliver for his voters?
@billfromgermany Жыл бұрын
@@karstenschuhmann8334 No wonder Brexiters are feeling victimised when people like you point out such uncomfortable facts.😉 I suspect that that disgusting travesty of a politician is also enjoying a nice pension. Surprised that the Mail, Express et al aren’t headlining Farage’s ride on “the EU gravy train”? Oh no, that’s just for people like the Kinnocks, genuine public servants who’ve devoted their working lives to politics and have genuine achievements to be proud of, not for self-interested rabble-rousers.
@alex.velasco Жыл бұрын
@@johnlocke6506 every parliamentarian in every parliament can be expected to earn a salary. Are you surprised?
@CaminoAir Жыл бұрын
@@johnlocke6506 Trolling? MP salary and expenses. Your point is largely redundant since it is about relative benefits.
@PanglossDr Жыл бұрын
The guy should be more concerned with the democratic Deficit in the UK. It is far less democratic than the EU.
@LambsyLamb Жыл бұрын
What Kinnock is saying is what I've been saying forever!
@col.hertford9855 Жыл бұрын
Kinnock was saying it for years too and I utterly agree with it. But I don’t think most brexiteers I’ve spoken with would disagree with him either. They just didn’t want foreigners having a say over laws in the UK and the home nations. Weather it’s those concerned with sovereignty or Racism or somewhere in between. It boils down to that.
@sirmeowthelibrarycat Жыл бұрын
@@col.hertford9855 😠 Really? Government X decides that murder is wrong. Why would another government decide otherwise? Now 27 sovereign governments of 28 decide murder is wrong, but one sovereign government of 28 has a hissy fit. Is that acceptable to you?
@garrywynne1218 Жыл бұрын
He may have said it, you may have said but it really doesn’t matter. The simple fact is not ONE British voter voted FOR the EU. This is a fact . It was foisted on the UK in 1992 without reference to the public. Which is just the way the EU likes to operate via the Council of Ministers and the Commission. The EU is essentially a Kinnock family business and have become fabulously wealthy in due course. I’d be more impressed if he spoke about his journey from sceptic( Deputy Leader under Foot) who fought a GE in 1983 on leaving the then EEC?🤷🏻🤦🏻♂️
@billfromgermany Жыл бұрын
@@garrywynne1218 WTF? What exactly is this Kinnock family business that has become fabulously wealthy?
@garrywynne1218 Жыл бұрын
@@billfromgermany - after being vehemently against the EEC and then losing the GE to John Major he became a sudden cause nevertheless and was made a Commissioner. His wife became and MEP and then MP as did his son ( Stephen) who was a researcher in the EP worked for WEF . The family connections have ensured they are now very comfortably off . You should check it out .
@johnjeanb Жыл бұрын
Bravo pour cette explication brillante. No patronizing of Brexiters but sometimes the truth is better than clichés (Bent bananas, EUSSR, etc). Every country could move towards more democracy and the UK is one (one un-elected chamber, no written constitution, simple majority to change fondamental laws in the UK, no real punishment for lying in Parliament, etc).
@normanchristie4524 Жыл бұрын
You've summed it up, quite siccinctly.
@nobreshit.9694 Жыл бұрын
And don't forget the unelected head of state with true power and immense fortune.
@Halbared Жыл бұрын
That's a common misconception people have. The UK has a written constitution. The idea a constitution should be in one single document is a fairly recent idea, mostly thanks to the weight of American cultural influence. The UK has an uncodified constitution.
@johnjeanb Жыл бұрын
@@Halbared In theory, you are right BUT any simple majority can change it so in reality, the UK is naked (no constitution) when handled by the extreme right wing brexit government). In other countries, modifying the constitution requires 3/5 of the votes of both elected chambers.
@Halbared Жыл бұрын
@@johnjeanb In practise the weight of the history of the UK's constitution prevents any large changes that would rumple too many people simultaneously. The social contract between parliament and the people.Changes occur organically. I prefer the UK system to the US one myself.
@robertcook4705 Жыл бұрын
I find myself wondering how many of the labour shadows could be so clear and explanatory? I knew this from prior googling, that the EU is, if anything, more democratic than the UK, but have never heard it laid out so clearly.
@kylewhittle6565 Жыл бұрын
A powerful response. Dear Brexiteers in the UK, the EU is no longer any concern of yours!
@sadjaxx Жыл бұрын
Why do they keep obsessing over the EU? UK left and all they do is whinge about the EU, when they aren't whinging about NI. Do something for your own country and forget about the EU.
@p.g.u.d Жыл бұрын
So butt out of our business then.
@Korschtal Жыл бұрын
@@sadjaxx Because Brexit is basic identity politics: it's based on victimhood. Victimhood needs an oppressor. The alternative for many in the UK is to accept their problems are a UK issue. If they accept this they have to accept the responsibility for dealing with their problems and that's hard work.
@DropdudeJohn Жыл бұрын
Thank christ for that
@DropdudeJohn Жыл бұрын
@@Korschtal Come off it mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, pumping money onto corrupt EU countries, that's our fault is it
@davidmarkwort9711 Жыл бұрын
He said it as if he was explaining the Brexit reality to a 5 year old, wonder if a Brexiteer can understand that?
@haroldwilson8081 Жыл бұрын
To be fair to Lord Kinnock I think, he did say he was trying not to be patronising.
@michaelstramm2366 Жыл бұрын
Obviously no, they dont understand and never will understood what is was really abou!!!!
@garyrowe58 Жыл бұрын
They don't want to.
@davetdowell Жыл бұрын
Says the condecending hate spewing supremacist. Trust me dude, you're as thick as two short planks compared to quite a few of us.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@philippepalmer2968 Жыл бұрын
the thing is the majority of our local councils in the UK are set up in a similar way,there's an executive,a day to day functioning administration body and an elected chamber so I don't know what it is with these people who bang on about a "democratic deficit" within the EU because if that's what they hang on to then why aren't they calling for referendums to decide whether we want to leave or remain with our local authorities
@bimmeroo0906 Жыл бұрын
local elections are quite helpful.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Well if you dont know, that proves it, its a Federal Project
@gretareinarsson7461 Жыл бұрын
Not that democracy is improving in the UK
@edwardbrady5843 Жыл бұрын
Democracy is made stronger for citizens states in EU because of laws inforced for the protection and prosperity of such member countries, for example, workers rights, asylum protection and most of all the biggest trading bloc in the world. Britian was once a very senior member of the EEC later the EU, most of the laws, rules and general framework of the present EU were framed by Britian, Britain was at its most powerful and prosperous state inside Europe not outside. There is little doubt that EU will expand, quite a few countries waiting for accession, Ukraine etc. The smartest move now is a referendum so that the UK can retake its place as a rule maker, instead of solely a rule taker.
@marinusvos Жыл бұрын
@@edwardbrady5843 " so that the UK can retake its place as a rule maker" See you in approx. 20 years or so!
@batcollins3714 Жыл бұрын
@@edwardbrady5843 the UK can never "rejoin". The EU that you left has moved on. The rules have changed so much that you cannot even apply to join. The british populace needs to read more EU papers to understand the new rules. All you read in the UK papers is about this "Megan and Harry" rubbish.
@edwardbrady5843 Жыл бұрын
@@batcollins3714 True, certainly need to educate themselves on the rules, especially those pretending to be polititions . Having your cake and eating it, oh and my favourite, they need us more than we need them attitude, will need to change 😂
@edwardbrady5843 Жыл бұрын
@@marinusvos probably.
@Iguazu65 Жыл бұрын
He just summarised what the British press has for 30 years and more prevented the British people from understanding. Worse still is that they campaigned against unelected officials, when they knew that they exactly the same as unelected civil servants in the U.K. and were, as in the U.K., servants of the elected houses of government. The U.K. has no say at all on the EU, it’s laws, policies or regulations. Beforehand the U.K. had an outsized influence in all three areas. In fact more than any other EU country the U.K. proposed and drafted more EU instruments than any other. These are the same instruments that it is abolishing right now. Brexit was a triumph of emotions over facts. But the facts remain and the real consequences flow from facts. While emotions shift, morph and bred new emotions that foment more division.
@davetdowell Жыл бұрын
And just as we get no say over what civil servants (in the UK) do (only the people we elect do) we have no control over what EU officials do. And once they've put a policy in place, it will be in place no matter who we elect (unlike the Civil Service, who have to do what the government of the day say). So not democratic in anyway.
@gretareinarsson7461 Жыл бұрын
But of course Brexiteers will not understand this fantastic explanation
@mdb4michele Жыл бұрын
the only thing that brexiteers understand is the pub menu at Wetherspoon's
@ianwheeler7513 Жыл бұрын
The Brexiteers, as usual were pointing their fingers in their ears and saying lalalala.
@trident6547 Жыл бұрын
@@ianwheeler7513 They think its funny when the fingertips meet halfway inside the empty space in theuir headss.
@ianwheeler7513 Жыл бұрын
@@trident6547 lol
@col.hertford9855 Жыл бұрын
My experience is many did understand this. They just didn’t want foreigners involved in UK laws.
@elcastorgrande Жыл бұрын
No wonder he holds no office...he tells the truth, he avoids insults and patronizing language, and he knows what he's talking about. No one votes for a politician like that.
@stannorton4114 Жыл бұрын
As a good friend of mine in Germany said at the time of the Brexit vote - “ Out is out “ - he is right - end of story !
@sirmeowthelibrarycat Жыл бұрын
😡 Nostradamus is alive and well . . . 🤮!
@LonnieHalouska Жыл бұрын
And I suspect a lot of people in the EU are thinking: "Good riddance." DeGaulle warned about admitting GB way back in the '60s.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@peterstubbs5934 Жыл бұрын
BUT, WERE NOT COMPLETELY OUT ARE WE YOU IDIOT. ECHR to name one bond...
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 Same comment.
@RedBravo65 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic and absolutely lucid explanation! Bravo to this man.
@Bishka100 Жыл бұрын
Neil Kinnock, as I remmenber him, was always the down to earth type.
@tezhug1890 Жыл бұрын
@@Bishka100 Very down to earth (or sand) on the opening credits of Spitting Image. He might have made a decent PM.
@lesleystewart5882 Жыл бұрын
Shame he has always been in the Eu pocket
@RedBravo65 Жыл бұрын
@@lesleystewart5882 You mean always looking to future with reason and logic. Doesn't fall for the Brexit bullshit.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
@@lesleystewart5882 Evidence or silence, worm.
@pauldean7445 Жыл бұрын
Well said Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty and Former Vice President of the European Commission. That you should forgo your principles and accept a Life Peerage, in order to school us on the horrors of undemocratic establishments, should be a lesson to us all! 🤔
@giffordgarry6787 Жыл бұрын
You can't attack the argument so you attack the man. Slow hand clap. 👋
@pauldean7445 Жыл бұрын
@@giffordgarry6787 You are absolutely right. It's almost as if I need someone, without vested interests, to explain democratic deficiency to me?! Random hand gesture... 🤙
@giffordgarry6787 Жыл бұрын
@@pauldean7445 You take advice and facts off people with vested interests all the time, everyone does. What I'm saying is you refuse to take Kinnock's on a solely personal level because all he stated was the facts on how the EU is set up. Meanwhile you lot are giving a full PM's pension to Liz Truss who was only in the job for 40 days. It's almost like the country with the largest unelected second chamber in the world should keep its mouth shut about democratic deficiency.
@pauldean7445 Жыл бұрын
@@giffordgarry6787 Genuinely agree with you on this point... Problem is, whether it's the House of Lords or the EU Commision, what is required is less bureaucracy and more accountability.
@maartenaalsmeer Жыл бұрын
A UK citizen commenting on EU democratic 'deficit' while living within an archaic type of 'democracy' consisting of an unelected House of Lords: once appointed they effectively sit for life and attend more or less when they wish, never facing re-appointment, nor of course any form of re-election. Please.
@zhufortheimpaler4041 Жыл бұрын
not even appointed, they even inherit their seat.
@antoniotranfaglia3086 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant
@sadjaxx Жыл бұрын
I don't know this gentleman but he speaks very plainly and directly. He makes sense.
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
He was the Labour party leader before Tony Blair (ignoring John Smith who was in post only briefly) and lost two general elections. Neil Kinnock started many of the reforms of the Labour party that ultimately lead to it being electable again. It's just a shame he never became PM himself.
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
I may have had the general election sequence a bit wrong, so I've edited my original comment to be less specific. It'll be on wikipedia if anyone wants to know for certain.
@Abernis Жыл бұрын
Amazing! That's what I call public speaking.. If we miss UK presence in the EU it would have to be for serious old school politicians like mr Kinnock 👍
@DudeSilad Жыл бұрын
You mean a crook?
@Arltratlo Жыл бұрын
but we in the EU are lucky, we dont miss them at all!
@DudeSilad Жыл бұрын
@@Arltratlo I've just come back from a European capital I last visited 25 years ago. It's fell in to a decline of beggars, drug addicts and pick pockets. And that seems to be the norm for European cities. The EU is a failure. What good did it bring? EU, the destroyer of countries.
@terror1234 Жыл бұрын
@@Arltratlo🖐️👍👍👍
@Jonathan-Pilkington Жыл бұрын
@@DudeSilad Sounds you described London and just forgot where you were xD
@iiredeyeiiredeye1569 Жыл бұрын
Feeling slightly embarrassed to say that i used to regard Kinnock as something of a caricature... After this I would change this description to Statesman.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
You could even say that same of John Major and Michael Heseltine.
@daveargent4143 Жыл бұрын
Some people have made a lot of money out us being in the eu, that's why they love being in it so much
@johnrandall125 Жыл бұрын
Like Kinnock himself. Unable to become PM in the UK he reaped his reward for changing the Labour party's stance from anti-Europe to Pro-Europe. Remember the young and future warmongering mass murderer Blair stood in his first election as an MP on an 'out of europe' ticket; it was official Labour policy at the time. Kinnocks career as an EU commissioner was marked by sleaze. His entire Commission had to stand down on a corruption scandal, only to be miraculously reinstated some 48 hrs later.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@lesleystewart5882 Жыл бұрын
Never will be back in Eu in his lifetime, you would think he would rather be appreciating his retirement with his wife.
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
"The degree of democracy beyond the Channel, It's not you business anymore" - Well said ! By the way, some people within UK will have to find other scapegoats...
@stephenpockley5665 Жыл бұрын
it is none of our business and we dont care about them over the channel either
@stephenpockley5665 Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 I'd rather we didn't trade with the EU wherever possible
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenpockley5665 Even the Swiss and Norwegians trade with EU...You can't ignore your neighbours !
@stephenpockley5665 Жыл бұрын
@@c.guibbs1238 so what? I don't care what other countries do to be honest , but anything that hurts EU trade I'm all for
@c.guibbs1238 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenpockley5665 Even if that hurts those many of your compatriots who deal with EU ? Are you selfish or just stupid....or maybe both ?
@jamesmash3927 Жыл бұрын
yet they still can't satisfactorily answer the five questions of power put by Tony Benn. What Power Have You Got? Where Did You Get It From? In Whose Interests Do You Exercise It? To Whom Are You Accountable? How Can We Get Rid Of You? And that is why many voted to leave.
@Knappa22 Жыл бұрын
Old Windbag did always have a way with words. Ok he’s s bit verbose but what he says is spot-on. A great explanation of the EU.
@alanhobden8847 Жыл бұрын
@@massivehero4871 Except that you haven't addressed a single point he made Massive. All you have done is air your own half baked opinion.
@willieckaslike Жыл бұрын
Or simply a "silly arse"! depending on whether one supports the DEMOCRATIC UE, as opposed to an UNDEMOCRATIC Britain. Those who believe the old chestnut of UE being run by unelected people, should perhaps check the facts BEFORE opening their ill informed gobs !
@Knappa22 Жыл бұрын
@@massivehero4871 Point out what he said wrong then. Unless you can, it's a case of shoot the messenger, which is lazy. I'm no fan of Kinnock, not least because of his disgusting opinions about the Welsh nation and Welsh language, but even a rotten broken old clock is right twice a day!
@reverendbecker Жыл бұрын
@@massivehero4871 If there are no arguments slander the man. That's your recipe.
@eightiesmusic1984 Жыл бұрын
He's not verbose. From another person's mouth the same criticism would not be made. It is a right wing cliche used against him since the 1980s. Must be his accent, in which case subconscious or overt prejudice against the Welsh may be behind many of his critics bogus claims of him being verbose.
@6haybay Жыл бұрын
Ask him when was the last time they audited there books ..answer they do but when she found loads of money missing and could not find out where it went she asked and she was sacked. In fact there books have never been passed in audit ..
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
And, obviously you have proof that any of this happened? I'll wait.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Try replacing EU with UK and see if you get a different result.
@kevinmartin5489 Жыл бұрын
Youve had 2 unelected leaders now & your worried about democracy in europe?
@johnmccaffrey5942 Жыл бұрын
Wonder if Neil has any views on Noordstream when he talks about the EU.
@boldertash Жыл бұрын
If only what he is spouting had any semblance of Truth or could be administered without political gerrymandering
@georgepayne9895 Жыл бұрын
'It is no accident that the European parliament, once instituted to give the European Union a semblance of democratic accountability, lacked the capacity to legislate'. (Yanis Varoufakis)
@Sweedtrader Жыл бұрын
No doubt. Considering the bright lights that the UK used to elect as their MEPs.
@georgepayne9895 Жыл бұрын
@@Sweedtrader I would be interested to see how many of the 'happy, smiling people' who make up the electorate of the European Parliament, can name their M.E.P? Or even their national members of the EU Commission? As democracies go, it's a farce, designed just to give the population the idea it's democratic, instead of being run by the Bundesbank & to a lesser degree, Paris.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure that you really want to quote Mr Varoufakis about anything?
@georgepayne9895 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely certain. There is much in what he says with which I don't agree, but he is a highly qualified/experienced economist, who has seen how the E.C.B. & the Bundesbank work, & whom they benefit. I would recommend Joseph Stiglitz - another economist of even greater credentials who - by & large - comes to the same conclusions. I try not to be overly influenced by the accounts of how much Greece's problems were self-inflicted, more on how those who were supposed to alleviate the problems seemed to be acting in their own interests, & making things worse. @@petergaskin1811
@songscoops4205 Жыл бұрын
52.5% voters in Wales chose to leave the EU pal...so it's none of his business 😛
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
No doubt @chrislambert9435 will be along to remind everyone that the EU is (shock, horror) a Federal Project.
@christianfournier6862 Жыл бұрын
After reading many of these comments, my conclusion is : “A Brexiteer is a Brexiteer is a Brexiteer”! No manner of argument will make him change his spots ; Even the crystal clear Kinnock explanations haven’t. Only way out of this: wait until the Brexiteer population dwindles. It will take 20 years (plus 20 years of negotiation to rejoin) - i.e. one is talking about 2063 if one wishes Brexit to be out of the British minds! By that time, who knows what shall have happened in the wide world?
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
I've always thought that it would take the death of two generations of Brexit voters before we could be re-elected to membership of the EU. Don't forget, it's not just our choice. It has to be theirs' too.
@samhartford8677 Жыл бұрын
Time you did get this on here. It was an excellent explanation (too eloquent for the dummies of course) of the democracy in the EU.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
The problem is not the "function" its the fact that the EU is a Federal Project
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 explain what you mean as if I’m naive..?
@samhartford8677 Жыл бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 And? That's all down to every member state's willingness to embark on anything like that. And countries can leave, as the UK has now proven to everybody.
@samhartford8677 Жыл бұрын
@@ascgazz I think he might be referring to the functionalist principle of EU integration, as in there is only more intergration in the EU when it has been proven that less integration does not work. But then, I might be interpreting his words wrongly...
@ascgazz Жыл бұрын
@@samhartford8677 you guessing what he means is not him explaining what he means, cheers though. I still want him to prove he’s intelligent enough to support whatever he’s trying to say though.
@Noallegiance Жыл бұрын
So likewise our business isn't anything to do with the EU. They seem not to comprehend this.
@marsultor6131 Жыл бұрын
We really don’t care anymore since the UK left the union.
@Purple_flower09 Жыл бұрын
Name checks out
@adrianlloyd6403 Жыл бұрын
Kinnock is another to benefit from the EU gravy train along, with his wife, so of course they're fully paid up members of the EU fan club and are loyal to the EU cause.He is hardly objective when it comes to the EU.He's typical of the UK establishment similar to Cameron,Blair,Major and others who always maintained that the EU wasn't perfect but that the UK would be better off staying in and reforming the institution.Always was a cobblers policy to adopt and thankfully the electorate was given a chance to expose the lie for what it was.Enjoy your EU pension Mr Kinnock i'm sure the EU is very grateful for your loyal support.
@RM-rp6hx Жыл бұрын
Heseltine, and now Kinnock - talking Brexit sense. Not the bollocks we get from Moggy, ERG clowns, et al.
@michaelmouse4024 Жыл бұрын
The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't. The brexit reality is that voters clever enough to decode brexit would reject it.
@LonnieHalouska Жыл бұрын
An informed electorate is the last thing the Brexit mongers wanted.
@denzel270 Жыл бұрын
Kinnock is only sore as his snout is no longer in the EU trough.
@emilymcplugger Жыл бұрын
That was masterful. It’s none of your business, we gave it up. Brilliant. Breathtakingly awesome.
@jeffsmith3392 Жыл бұрын
Forgotten the 1983 Labour manifesto Neil. You wanted unilateral withdrawal from the EEC. Quite a remarkable u turn youve made and also, how many EU pensions does the Kinnock household receive?
@Ed-om9xy7 ай бұрын
Yeah because people famously can't change their minds. Farage and other wasters also receive EU pensions, hardly a standard for determining support of the EU. At least Neil is taking money from a cause he believes in
@apb2081 Жыл бұрын
Brexiteers learning the lesson the hard way.
@batcollins3714 Жыл бұрын
Brexiteers dont learn, they know it all.
@apb2081 Жыл бұрын
@@batcollins3714 true. But deep inside they know that brexit is nonsense. Their desperation is almost palpable. They will struggle more and more to defend their growing fiasco
@garyt123 Жыл бұрын
Here's some democratic deficit for you all. We went into the EU based on a national referendum. We got out of the EU based on a national referendum. We just joined the CPTPP.... because the Torys want to crow about some weak, +0.08% over 10 years, Brexit benefit. No referendum, no consultation, just handed our sovereignty over to a group of countries on the other side of the world.
@nicktinsley4016 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Neil Kinnock's fervent support for the EU has anything to do with the vast remuneration package the Kinnocks have received from the EU coffers? In excess of some ten million pounds, no less. Just a thought.
@godofallthingsandall Жыл бұрын
I'm sure it does. That doesn't challenge any of the things he said, though.
@ulfpe Жыл бұрын
There is no deficit of democracy in the EU, possibly that the country governments has to much power vs. the parliament
@maciejd7850 Жыл бұрын
Spot on! As a Polish National 🇵🇱 from my perspective I can tell that Brexit did no good to EU either, that's for sure. I hope you guys will find your way back in somehow, someday!
@remoanersrknts6736 Жыл бұрын
Why would we,? 🤣
@tasscoral7898 Жыл бұрын
I disagree, the best thing that could of happened to the EU was Brexit, I can tell you now that many a country would veto their return.
@remoanersrknts6736 Жыл бұрын
@@tasscoral7898 . Thank God! 30 years of piss poor growth in the EU regime is more than enough for the UK. Time to rejoin the free world where free trade is really free.
@tezhug1890 Жыл бұрын
@@remoanersrknts6736 Right. Because look at us now. Pfft
@remoanersrknts6736 Жыл бұрын
@@tezhug1890 What are you referring to? ... 2 years of lockdown and the economy brought to a standstill or high inflation due to war in Ukraine?
@laurentdrozin812 Жыл бұрын
It is indicative of our times when you have to apologize and give a trigger warning before you teach facts to people, as Kinnock did here.
@Muzzy68 Жыл бұрын
Kinnocks come a long way from his manifesto to leave the EU , especially after taking their coin. He also fails to mention that the EU Parliament cannot propose its own legislation and can only suggest changes …. Which are never adopted.
@evolassunglasses4673 Жыл бұрын
He is on the payroll now.
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
What Astonishing deception, Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Never? Sure of that, are you?
@rais1953 Жыл бұрын
The UK has a house of parliament elected by the undemocratic first past the post system and a second house completely non-elected, partly hereditary. And the EU isn't democratic enough for them?
@reverendbecker Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@michaeltagg492 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on
@richardgregory3684 Жыл бұрын
One could likewise say, how the Uk conducts it's internal affairs is none of Europe's business either.
@LonnieHalouska Жыл бұрын
Except for the British concern about N.I., the EU doesn't care about the U.K.
@richardgregory3684 Жыл бұрын
@@LonnieHalouska Of cours eit does. It could not be otherwise. The Uk is still one of the largest economies in Europe, is home to by far and away it's biggest financial centre (upon which European countries rely much more than they wish to admit) and it is oen of only two really significant military powers (including nuclear weapons), the other being France.
@Stigtoes Жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed at those critics of the EU that make this complaint about the lack of democracy in the EU. Instead of looking across the channel, they should glance behind at a country where we don't elect the head of state, no one in the House of Lords and we don't elect the Prime Minister. When we do get a chance to vote in a general election, unless you vote for the winning candidate, your vote is ignored.
@Harryset1 Жыл бұрын
And that is so eminent important: Your vote is ignored!
@markbriten6999 Жыл бұрын
@@Harryset1 in many constituencies your vote is meaningless. The same party pretty well always wins
@Harryset1 Жыл бұрын
@@markbriten6999 I see. That fact would make me - as a person - and a voter very angry. Thx for your reply - have a good day Sir.
@markbriten6999 Жыл бұрын
@@Harryset1 you too
@jim52313 Жыл бұрын
Every EU member is in debt why should EU citizens move anywhere and be a drain on a country
@Andymac1701A Жыл бұрын
The civil service don't make political statements or act as the legislature. The commission are not elected to be part of the commission by voters in the member states. The commission draws up policy that can then end up in the parliament. The parliament can throw out what the commission has tabled. The commission just waits a bit and the tables the same old shit over again. Unfortunately, you can see the contempt in Kinnock's body language, but, you can understand his partisan view to an organisation that has given him employment for many years after he wore his dapper suite and a rose in his lapel and failed to get elected way back in the day.
@Knappa22 Жыл бұрын
He never said the commission was elected in member states, and he pointed out why.
@richarddenton7724 Жыл бұрын
Neil Kinnock 1. The best Prime Minister we never had - and 2. A really nice guy.
@eightiesmusic1984 Жыл бұрын
Agree would have been an excellent Prime Minister and I am on the left. UK history would have been very different but the pig ignorant public knew best in its wisdom under first past the post. I disagree with him on Scargill and the miners strike and Corbyn. Labour should have backed the miners and so should have the TUC ( just like in 1926, the parallels between Scargill and AJ Cook are eerie). Corbyn would have presided over a mild form of democratic socialism or as a social democrat which is why I do not understand Kinnock's opposition to him when he was leader from 2015. The City was relaxed about the prospect of a Corbyn government, for goodness sake. Kinnock appears to have been replaying the battles of the eighties with the so called hard left in his view of Corbyn. One of Kinnock's errors as leader was not to let his personality shine through- he allowed himself to be coached into being too serious in an effort to convey gravitas. His heart was/ is in the right place. The election loss of 1992 remains one of the saddest days of my life and his concession speech on the steps of party HQ at Walworth Road was very moving. Bleakly so.
@raymondadams7570 Жыл бұрын
best joke i've heard for ages
@eightiesmusic1984 Жыл бұрын
@@raymondadams7570 Explain.
@raymondadams7570 Жыл бұрын
@@eightiesmusic1984 he and his wife were both meps and their son steven was also a mep
@myalfie Жыл бұрын
Don’t make me laugh the man was a baffoon at best, threatened to shut the HOL only to take a seat there.Lord kinnock on the take from the EU along with his mrs sold his soul years ago.
@guyspearing4608 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant put down, well done sir! All the Quitlings who bleat about "unelected bureaucrats" or "democratic deficit" in the EU should be tied to a chair for 3 minutes 39 seconds to watch this, and then asked again if they are so stupid as to think the same. Meanwhile there are some choice "democratic deficits" in the UK...... Obsolete first past the post electoral system, unelected higher chamber of Parliament, not permitting several hundred thousand Brits in the EU to vote in the 2016 "referendum because of the 15 year disenfranchisement rule, that non binding referendum which suddenly became binding by magic overnight, lack of a written Constitution, and a lack of effective control of party funding and an independent free media, for example. Do the Quitlings have any answers to these, please?
@LazyJack2003 Жыл бұрын
Hear, hear! Well said, Mr. Kinnock!
@widervision710 Жыл бұрын
This guy still going strong, good for hi
@tancreddehauteville764 Жыл бұрын
Good old Neilo! A man who could state his points clearly and unambiguously, without BS.
@annedunne4526 Жыл бұрын
I remember when British politicians used to be intelligent, well informed and competent, as shown here by Neil Kinnock. The present lot do not seem to know what they're doing.
@tommytitmouse Жыл бұрын
Neil Kinnock was far from being intelligent, & competent . Actually I`d say he was the exact opposite.
@annedunne4526 Жыл бұрын
@@tommytitmouseMaybe you don't understand him.
@tommytitmouse Жыл бұрын
@@annedunne4526 I could bounce that comment back to you.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
@@tommytitmouse Please do not attempt to operate heavy machinery in your current state. Your lack of intelligence is almost overwhelming. You know... In fact, who cares, go ahead, operate anything you want. I think we can afford to lose you.
@toi_techno Жыл бұрын
The English have an unelected billionaire as their head of state and most of their prime ministers went to Eton. It's nonsensical to talk about democracy in england.
@alan-sk7ky Жыл бұрын
Hear hear Mr Kinnock!
@briandelaney97104 ай бұрын
Kinnock was a beneficiary of the EU gravy train
@VictorCharlesEvans Жыл бұрын
What an intelligent, very well-informed answer!!! A TRUE STATESMAN!!!
@josefschiltz2192 Жыл бұрын
Echoes my own words when he'd finished.
@milowales7899 Жыл бұрын
Why are we still in the echr
@markbriten6999 Жыл бұрын
To protect our rights. How many fucking times, the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
@godofallthingsandall Жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation. The policy developed by the commission can only happen if the council approves them.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
And the Parliament approves them and all the individual member Governments and other voting entities agree.
@normanj1975 Жыл бұрын
1.7 million EU pension.
@susanparkauntiesuze5447 Жыл бұрын
Who on earth would listen to Kinnock.
@deviousdescent9010 Жыл бұрын
Nailed it!
@chrislambert9435 Жыл бұрын
Except Neil Kinnock failed to mention that the EU is a Federal project
@grrlgd3835 Жыл бұрын
thanks for clarifying that Neil. want no part of it after your clear explanation.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Just remember to point the pistol so that the muzzle is facing down. After all, I'm sure you'd much rather shoot yourself in the foot than your head. I mean, that would be really silly, wouldn't it.
@petergaskin1811 Жыл бұрын
Then you're a fool.
@welshskies Жыл бұрын
As soon as someone says "unelected Brussels buearocrat" I know they don't have a clue what they are talking about!
@michaelmazowiecki9195 Жыл бұрын
If there is a democratic deficit, it is in the UK with its first past the post electoral system and an unelected Upper chamber of Parliament.
@michaelmazowiecki9195 Жыл бұрын
@@albert7311 EU Commissioners are selected by the Ministers of the Council and approved or rejected by the EU Parliament. The Commission is simply the Civil Service of the Council whose members are the nationally directly elected Ministers of member State governments.
@micheltibon6552 Жыл бұрын
I was also applauding! Afterwards I clicked on the link and followed the whole discussion. Neil's argument was the last part of the super interesting 1:15h discussion. I applauded again😀