WHAT A JOKE! 'Joker 2' is a MASSIVE FLOP!

[@Mar-op2sd]

The moment i heard it was a musical with Gaga..i knew i wasnt gonna watch. Now, im glad i didnt.

[@MrGamman3yt]

Ala Monty Python: But father, I want to sing!

[@Dat_Jonx]

A Star Is Born was good though.

[@RCAvhstape]

Gaga is actually a good actress, though. She was great in House of Gucci. So they wasted her talent in this garbage film.

[@harbl99]

@@RCAvhstape She had no more place in a supervillain psychological thriller than, say, Jason Statham does in a light and frothy musical comedy romance. Horrific miscasting.

[@RCAvhstape]

@@harbl99 Disagree.

[@justrick7052]

joker 2 fully a douche

[@marianaree9967]

Hahaha

[@amazingbakingsoda6811]

Warner Bros: “ ‘Joker 3: Le Grand Bidet de Panique’ will be a hit.”

[@YourMothersHouseChillin]

Fail....

[@brockdavid]

Jankler 2: Big Steamy Deuce

[@meyeneetuks4680]

Joker 2: Foolie a Poopoo

[@Captain_Neckbeard]

This is what happens when you have disdain for your audience.

[@Michael252-e6o]

The exact same with politicians pretending they care about people.

[@consciousgentile5141]

​@@Mmhmmyeahokoy...😢

[@danieldare9245]

@@Mmhmmyeahok Actors have to have a unique name for the SAG. For instance there was already a Michael Fox so rather than use his middle name (Andrew) He just threw a J in there. Michael Keaton is actually Michael Douglas etc Emma stone is actually Emily etc.

[@theveryworstluck1894]

That's every beloved IP that gets continued for a "modern audience." The Last Jedi was a prime example. They made Luke Skywalker abandon his friends, the literal one thing he never would have done. They had to ruin his character simply because he is a straight white male. Also the entire brass for the Rebellion was human females. In a galaxy that's half men and has alien races in it, what are the chances all of the leadership for the Rebellion would be exclusively human females? Shit was written by an HR department.

[@r0bw1l73]

He’s not an actor….

[@silvernova354]

Joker 2 - Unnecessary Boogaloo.

[@aslanlionfan28]

Perfect

[@MS-ye9tg]

Rise of no likin'

[@CB-gv4yb]

I felt sorry for Arthur at the end 😭

[@daviddiggens8841]

More like "unnecessary FahQ" Did black rock fund this film because making a film to deliberately attack the fans of the first seems rather economically unviable unless it had the losses covered by an organization built on hate

[@lawjef]

They aren’t going to re-release Joker 2 - ala mobius - but Sony’s concord is going to try to have a second life. Dear publishers/studios - just because your IP is a household name doesnt mean you should put ANY resources into re-releasing your widget.

[@AshCosgrove]

They sure showed us!

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

Yup. We feel real stupid.

[@Acemanveryspecial]

Yep, keep making massive budget movies and showing us how bad we are for liking things and we'll... uh.... make sure to go see it, yep.

[@alexdominguez219]

They really stuck it to us 😂😂

[@bobnix3240]

Indeed. It only cost them $300 million to save me the $20 I might otherwise have given them. Boy do I feel like a fool.

[@solidwarfare]

Joker 2 was a humiliation ritual, they were afraid of the werewolf

[@remuslazar2033]

What werewolf?

[@consciousgentile5141]

​@@remuslazar2033in the first movie, he said people had a werewolf caged inside them [ Joker ]

[@TheFiddler69]

Classic Hollywood humiliation ritual

[@crazyralph6386]

Yep, I guess Phillips didn’t want to parade around in a dress, so he chose the latter? 😂

[@garysmith9823]

D.C. was in on the woke crap before Marvel. I'm good with their failing too.

[@gravanon1577]

I agree, but this wasn't a DC movie.

[@maxmazzotti6651]

I thought it was after

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

@@gravanon1577technically it is

[@Telepather]

How unless you mean Perry White since Man Of Steel, then Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, and Ezra Miller playing characters they are not supposed to play? Iron Man started with Nick Fury, Thor had Heimdall, Spider-Man's high school looked like a place where you could find a lot of wildlife.

[@TercesGarret]

your terms are acceptable. after all, Superman and Batman and wonder woman will live forever even without DC

[@kyresefleming983]

The fans wanted a clown that make the world burn and they gave us law and order mixed with glee. The genius thought this would work is more insane than the Joker.

[@baswenmakers6846]

Some fed boy: You better believe it!

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

😂

[@RestrictedFilms]

It worked.

[@Unkown_Meli]

Phoenix is a boring joker

[@alanfearon6568]

Todd Phillips should be the Joker! 😂😂😂

[@outhouse.wholesaler]

Worse than Morbius? Joker: It's Jokin' Time

[@draxrdax7321]

It's pretty much what happened to the Barbie movie. "But we didn't want you to make Ken the main character, stop singing that song! This is to promote feminism, not having fun with Ken! Stop IT!". Same with Joker: "You weren't supposed to sympathize with this guy! He's a loser, we're gonna end him in the second movie!"

[@HarveyDangerLurker]

So Barbie 2 is happening

[@Senkoau]

Barbie 2 the cuckolding of Ken.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Ken was literally the best part of that horrible movie

[@creepingdread88]

The first Joker film, was just a hack job remake of the much better film, The King of Comedy. A great film, for anyone who hasn't seen it. I still don't get the hype surrounding the first Joker film, it wasn't very good. It does prove there's a market there, for anything Batman, it just needs to be good. Not a film made by people who don't know about, or just hate the source material and the fans who do like it. Who even greenlights these projects? They must know they're going to fail. There's something really wrong. As for the latest Joker film, just like most Hollywood releases of the last 5 to 10 years, I'll never watch it. I watch KZbin videos, like this one, because they're funny, but if not, I wouldn't even know most of these films and TV shows exist.

[@baswenmakers6846]

I think WB was forced to correct their mistake. Rewrite the first movie or else....

[@sirg-had8821]

They spent 300 million dollars on a movie nobody wanted to tear down a character that resonated with people to appease a vocal minority of vapid, brainless inactivists that don't buy movie tickets. This thing is a disgrace.

[@bobnix3240]

This deserves to be the top comment. The fact that it has single-digit upvotes is criminal.

[@erbelisle]

The Joker 2 ending reminds me of the Chinese release of Fight Club, where in the end, the government thwarts the plans of Project Mayem and everything fizzles (no building exploding). The anti-hero loses. It feels like a prescribed cautionary tale to show the way to order and show the punishment for falling off the ranks. Joker 2 is strong example of this.

[@209srkejg]

What!! I did not know this, I gotta go see this!!

[@purpleprinc3]

Eyyy Chinese release of fight club???? YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO TALL ABOUT FIGHT CLUB...IN CHINA 😂

[@warriorpope8724]

i need to see this now.

[@theterribleyoutuber7376]

I agree with tearful Jordan Peterson who spoke about "incels". Why would anyone want to take a person like that , an "incel", and demean and dehumanize them?

[@Mereologist]

A bully's fragile self-ego demands that someone else be pushed down to create the illusion of their own elevation.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

Joker 2: It's fully a doo-doo...

[@YouilAushana]

Duex, Duex!

[@NormanReaddis]

It's V for Vindictive.

[@mikek.6464]

Joker 2: Fully a deuce Credit to Ryan George for that one

[@satisfied656]

Choo-Choo🚂Poop-Poop💩 ....here comes the sh*t-train🤭

[@Madashell1200]

As soon as I saw it had Lady Gaga in it I knew it would turn out this way. I just don't know why? They had a license to print money and they slam dunked it right into the toilet.

[@marden3761]

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message

[@samblack5313]

Why make money when you can insult people.

[@XaqNautilus]

Todd Phillips should never get to work as a director ever again because of how he handled this. He should have known how to handle this professionally instead of the childish response and product he created.

[@gregweisal5542]

Sadly he got paid 20 million for this so he doesn't have to work again

[@matthewgramz3648]

Hollyweird probably loved that he ruined this movie for it's male fans. He'll get lots of work.

[@usapostate23]

I’d agree, but WB signed off on it and gave Phillips carte blanche with no oversight, notes, or testing. Oops. Hopefully Phillips gets scared enough to write something good and not based on an actor’s dream+rewrites while shooting again. This movie is pretentious masturbation and totally unnecessary.

[@lawjef]

Question: how do you do Joker 2 without Phoenix as the lead? If he says “I want the movie based on my dream” then find me any director who can say no to him?

[@gregweisal5542]

@@lawjef question. Y even do a joker 2?

[@justinmadrid8712]

This wasn’t done for money. They _knew_ this would lose money.

[@YouilAushana]

4th quarter loses. Had to make up for Batwoman

[@somethinglikethat2176]

I guarantee WB would be pissed. Tax write-offs only go so far, at some point you have to make money. Then there's the damage done to the DC brand by this film, not to mention it's killed any follow up movies in the setting.

[@hogomeiko]

Woke movies never make money. They aren't made for making money. They are made by the corporate system to correct BAD toxic fans who don't think properly. It's called being obedient to the overlords. I can give you the name of at least TEN extremely popular shows that were cancelled simply because they unPC and they were punishing the bad fans.

[@guotyr2502]

The director mb , but def not the dumbass WB execs that only see money and not the content

[@strawberryblondemilk7249]

Doubt Warner Bros can afford to lose 400+ million they ain't disney 😂😂😂

[@SantiCasinoQuest]

This movie deserves all its failures and ridicule who the hell in their right minds thought it was a good idea to greenlit this piece of garbage sad excuse of a film.

[@jule3480]

Well said!!

[@Senkoau]

Someone who thought he'd be a professional and produce an actual sequel to his own film that respected the audience, studio and the previous film.

[@YouilAushana]

They should've filmed it in French and had subtitles

[@Mereologist]

The least complicated hypothesis is that this movie is exactly like they wanted. So many movies these days are made to 'change culture' not to make a profit.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

​@@YouilAushanaBut 'Muricans can't read, neither can German and Spanish folks.

[@seefoghall]

If Penguin remains successful, I would bet we get a Catwoman and Poison Ivy show next and it'll be ESG/DIE filled!

[@itsabouttthattime]

26:03 We didn't "like" him. We felt sorry for him. And their answer was to bully him MORE?!?

[@zelig1799]

The original Joker from the first movie became an icon for edgy teen men. They couldn't allow that to continue so they made a second movie to intentionally destroy him.

[@Magneticlaw]

"Edgy teen men?" Hmmm........

[@fishclaspers361]

Jonkler 2: The One Where The Joker Gets Jonkled.

[@Jabberstax]

Let's hope this is the start of people no longer paying to see unnecessary reboots/sequels/cash grabs.

[@Magneticlaw]

Don't look at me......the last movie I saw in the theater was Godzilla Minus One........and before that, I'm not sure.......

[@Ash-lf6to]

My favorite part of Joker 2 was when he stood up in the courtroom and said “I have to be honest” then stared at the camera intently and then shouted “ITS JORKEN TIME!!”

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

This isn't the Joker....This is the Clown!

[@Lornext]

Jaker, if you will

[@Launchpad05]

@@Lornext The Birthday Clown

[@Bloodshotty]

Clown Corn.

[@YouilAushana]

The joke

[@mustafasadmansakib]

Jocker

[@willthompson9073]

Brand damage or brain damage I can't tell at this point

[@YouilAushana]

_Your brain on brands_

[@1978garfield]

A little from column A, a little from column B.

[@Ahmenthi]

Tommy Wiseau also pronounces it "Jocker," so Gary is in fun company.

[@DeetotheDubs]

Wiseau and Breen are unintentional comedy gold.

[@RobGamesNZ]

Im suprised poker face song wasnt renamed joker face..... low hanging fruit is the easiest I guess.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Bad Romance too

[@realistic_delinquent]

A lot of Gaga’s discography is remarkably topical…

[@thanatoast4389]

Performed by Weird Al

[@CecilWindbush]

The main star based this movie on a dream. Don't sleep at Diddy's house.

[@Mereologist]

The 'Twilight' series was based on dream, and made over three billion dollars. Don't pretend like dreams aren't often sources of inspiration, and profitable ones too.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

​@@MereologistWeren't them books just wet dreams from adult woman about a teenager boy?

[@roadwarrior1459]

James Cameron got the idea for the Terminator from a dream.

[@AdeleKakwandi]

​@@MereologistNobody is disputing that, just don't sleep at Diddy's house lol 😅

[@notreallymyname3736]

I had a dream that I missed a final, forgot my pants at home, Barney the dinosaur and Chuck Norris were chasing me, and my dog was coughing up live spiders... Can I have a couple million to make a movie? It's a musical.

[@tjjordan4207]

The only way a sequel could have worked was if it was set entirely in Arkham and it’s left open to the audience if what happened before was real or part of his imagination. I personally would have gone with a more horror style with dark comedy, showcasing Arthur’s further descent into madness and even playing with the idea that Harley maybe a hallucination.

[@rael7298]

I think a movie about Joker's escape from Arkham, instigating anarchy to leverage the cracks in the institution, establishment and court systems could have been an interesting courtroom drama

[@LN-Lifer]

I actually think the overall idea was good I would be fine if he was not the real joker but this movie should have started out with him being the Joker he was at the end of part 1 To watch him start to experience doubt throughout and then in a moment become Arthur again would have been great And it even would have made the Heath Ledger Joker even MORE interesting To think that monster was born out of a good guy that just snapped, got caught up in it all and then refound his conscience That is good disturbing shit Oh...and take out the ass grape

[@YouilAushana]

Dr. Strange M.O.M. could've been a good horror film

[@tjjordan4207]

@@YouilAushana It should have been one.

[@Mereologist]

There's lot of possible ways it could have been interesting. It could have been a long, twisting of a vulnerable mind in Harley, filmed entirely in an asylum and seeing HER reality start to slip into the same delusions Fleck had. It could have started literally where the first ended, with Fleck on a street being hustled away from the police, and finding himself in charge of a gang of anarchists and figuring out what it means to have the power he does. It could even have been a series of Kafkaesque court cases which - like the first movie - underscored that the legal system is as insane as the social system so Joker's insanity is adaptive instead of maladaptive (perhaps reminiscent, too, of Natural Born Killers where being a maniac is the exact thing the system can't deal with). Instead Phillips wanted to completely reverse the arc of the first.

[@Grimshade27]

Problem is that Joker 1 was really suppose to ruin Joker for Western male audiences. Problem is that Western male audiences sympathized with him from the relentless assualt they have faced close to 2 decades now. So Joker 2 had to go the nuclear option in order to avoid all unintended consequences.

[@pickledpixel]

As a biological woman, I really do feel that you don't have to be male to relate to the Arthur. It was just an incredible movie. They were really foolish to create this so-called "sequel". Let's just pretend it never existed.

[@jarretedotio]

This is basically what happened with Matrix 4. Starting to think this movie was a bigger fuck you to the studio than the audience.

[@PiterburgCowboy]

This is the plot twists I would like to be real but I believe their own words. It was $200m to own the chuds. Joker move either way.

[@Mereologist]

And the motivation seems the same: "You foolish audience members took the WRONG message from previous work so let me pound it grossly and painfully into your heads! This will not be fun for you!"

[@GbUSA321]

The best part is Robert De Niro's part was cut

[@michaelbanaszak7775]

😂😅 Yep, and then the grouchy old man publicly cried about it!

[@andreyzhuchkov1882]

Wait a second , De Niro was returning for this one? In which capacity? A host in a dream show?

[@sharkdentures3247]

Murtaugh - "Hollywood HATES me! That's what it is." Riggs - "Hate them back. It works for me." - Lethal Weapon

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

Joker 2 - It's not for you

[@simdal3088]

Joker 2: take that incels

[@Magneticlaw]

Whoever they are.........

[@simdal3088]

@@Magneticlaw Yep, it is their favorite strawman it seems

[@pickledpixel]

As a biological woman who loved the first Joker movie, I've never known any incels going crazy over this movie. Just normal fans who want to be entertained and sadly, like me were given a terrible "sequel" I'd like to pretend never existed.

[@thanatoast4389]

@@pickledpixeldoes anyone even know any incels outside of the internet?

[@MickyChowMein69]

Joker 2 - hawk tuah le derriere

[@Prence]

The Joker 2 was just Phillips graping the Joker on screen for 2 hours for everyone to see.

[@leegibson5469]

Me personally.. I did not like Phoenix's portrayal of the Joker. Instead of just being intelligent, crazy and menacing like Heath did to a T, he started talking like a child or gay man and started dancing. Hated it.

[@Batman12810]

Joker doesn't want your sympathy. Imagine someone trying to "Grape" the actual Joker- he's gonna bite your throat out.

[@lostone9700]

So you're saying Pete Holmes nailed it?

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Yeah, that's about the take I'd expect from someone that can't spell portrayal.

[@leegibson5469]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher wow, yeah. Thanks Grammar Nazi. Way off on that one.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

@@leegibson5469 reading comprehension is hard, clearly. I wasn't correcting you. Only pointing out your brainlet read of the movie tracks with the available evidence.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

Mad Love was sitting right there..... instead we got Joker Full of Pooh

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

2024 has been an awful year for movies. And the years still not over yet…

[@xxskizzumxx]

The only decent movie this year was a right-wing mocumentary, sad

[@apollo597]

Because most of these movies were made in 2022 and were delayed because of Covid

[@jule3480]

@@apollo597 Didn’t Joker 2 commence filming in 2022 to 2023? I would assume a lot of movies or series had a similar timeframe. Other than narratives being pushed at te expense of a potentially good movie, it’s like the film industry is a rudderless mess and can’t or won’t recognise what the majority of their audience wants

[@apollo597]

@@jule3480 could be. I just meant most of these garbage films were commenced to be created during a Hollywood strike and Covid.

[@apollo597]

@@jule3480 Hollywood is no longer a leader. They are reactionary at best when it comes to culture.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Re the "Joaquin Phoenix had a dream" story- according to him (in Variety) this was just before filming on Joker 2019 wrapped. He wasn't ready to let go of the character, and he had a dream of himself on stage as Fleck, being directed by Todd Phillips while he told jokes and sang. So he called up Phillips and said he'd liked to try a musical sequel, which Phillips agreed to. Phillips considered doing it as a Broadway play, but there were various issues against it, such as Covid regs and Phoenix's schedule. So they ended up doing it as a proper movie sequel.

[@assimilatedrc3976]

Joker 2 is the perfect example of why equity doesnt work. The equity being every director being given complete freedom to do whatever the hell they want with a franchise. Some elite directors have earned that right through consistent high level showings. Giving that freedom to all directors gives you garbage like Joker 2.

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

That’s what i’ve been sayin about James Gunn. Kevin Fiege had a lot say over Marvel and Guardians got a lot help by the popularity of prime Marvel. Peacemaker and suicide squad are nowhere the success of his marvel stuff. I think it’s a huge mistake letting him run this much

[@lunagrace2872]

@@Dr.DisrespectFan918 Agreed, I think Gunn is a competent director on specific movie types. He good at “subversive” characters who are moral grey. Which guardians of the galaxy and suicide squad work well. They are fun movies, but giving him full reins on DC movies really seems like a horrible idea. Because one from his interview doesn’t give me confidence that he understands more pure superheroes type character especially Superman. Superman is a great person with strong morals and because he doesn’t bend is morals it cause him so much hardship and I can’t believe Gunn would ever understand that. Making a director who only truly understands moral grey characters and nothing else is not a good person to run movie universe where most characters are genuine good people vs absolutely horrible people.

[@theDgrader]

The Penguin is totally playing off Tony Soprano, the squints and the mannerisms are very close and completely works. Colin Farrell is knocking this role out of the park, home fkn run...

[@scottbullock3045]

Phillips and Phoenix knew it would flop before it even came out! Gaga, I'm not so sure. Behind closed doors, I'll bet she's pissed. Paid or not.😊😂❤

[@davidcanty7903]

I am really surprised this didn't go in the vault with Bat girl?

[@dmaxwell9827]

Wish it had, it wouldn't have damaged the 1st film then.

[@YouilAushana]

Definitely, had been better off if they used Batgirl as the sacrificial lamb

[@user-zq6sz2cr6g]

I don't dare imagine what else they've hidden there without telling us...

[@aurorauplinks]

What a fun start!

[@go_rilla262]

This was punishment for the people who didn't werewolf a theater like predicted.

[@FeatherRanching]

Todd Phillips for directors jail!

[@NeonKnight83]

May he receive Fleck's butt justice!

[@timmordragon1847]

Lady CaCa

[@LostCauseClown]

James Gunn is just upset he didn't get to humiliate a DC character first. He's quite antagonistic to fans and would have loved upsetting us.

[@PopCultureCat]

In architecture we would call this a “spite house”. This was just a middle finger never intended to make bank or serve any real purpose. For a listed company to do spite houses is a breach of fiduciary duty.

[@juiceloose100]

I think the audience could smell the pretentiousness a mile away from the name: 'Folie à deux'.. It's a 2 and a bit hour epilogue with singing breaks for no reason.. I see why people are calling it a slog..

[@Randomcorpse]

Joker 1: a take on how society denigrates, mistreats, and rejects the mentally ill Joker 2: a film celebrating denigrating, mistreating, and rejecting the mentally ill

[@cutjack242]

So sad...the first Joker was brilliant. Nobody wanted this sequel.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

I think everyone's missing an obvious clue as to what Phillips was doing here. Like the first film, Joker 2 is just another copy of a Scorsese DeNiro film, this time a massive flop from '77 called "New York, New York", which was a rom-com musical duet act that was a quasi-parody of MGM musicals with intentionally fake-looking sets for the dream-like musical numbers. Even the music is similar to Joker 2, being mostly garbage and critics complained the musical numbers were pointless and didn't tie into the story like a real musical would. Like Joker 2, it was expected to be a huge hit by the studio, and was at the time the largest budget Scorsese had ever had. The film was such a flop, Scorsese fell into drug addiction and the studio, United Artists, was only saved from the flop by the film Rocky, which they'd ironically expected to flop and had pooled the profits with New York, New York, similar to what happened with Star Wars. Clearly, Warner Bros made Todd Phillips make a sequel, despite him not wanting to, so he decided to base it on the least-known, biggest flop Scorsese film as a gfys gesture. We'll know for certain, if Phillips ever tries to develop this into a really, really awful Broadway play.

[@everythingflows3196]

Good catch on New York, New York. That hadn’t occurred to me but it makes *perfect* sense.

[@bobnix3240]

Most of us who watch these guys channels know what the two films were based on. I believe Chris Gore was talking about this a year or more ago. Others as well. But the idea that he did it to intentionally fail as a GFYS to the studio is garbage. First of all, he's not a big enough name to intentionally tank films. If the studios even suspected him of it he'd never work again, and his $20 million paycheck that us normal people would live well on for the rest of our lives won't last him half a decade in the circles he travels in. Secondly, we have all the interviews and tweets and everything where he said unequivocally that he hated the fan reaction to Joker and what things had resonated with them. He hated what fans had taken away from his runaway success Joker, and he set out to "fix" things. Make no mistake, this was a GFYS to the fans, not the studio. The studio, on the other hand, should have been smarter than this. (Ha ha, I know... Studio executives with a brain is an oxymoron these days.) They certainly should have known what the first film was based on (and that it had been a success), and they should have seen what the second film was based on (and that it had been an abject failure), and they should have told him "No. If you're going to base it on a Scorsese film, pick one that didn't flop."

[@everythingflows3196]

@@bobnix3240 I hear you; and I was cognizant of the King of Comedy influence in the first film. But this one, which I had no interest in from day one, I hadn’t suspected another Scorsese… “homage.” Anyway, your points are well-taken. I haven’t seen the film so can’t really give an informed opinion.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

@@bobnix3240 I didn't say it was a GFYS to the studio or that he was intentionally making the film to fail; I said that him picking "New York, New York" to homage was a GFYS gesture in general. He was targeting everyone involved, fans and studio alike. Picking a poorly received Scorsese flop for inspiration was a message in itself, his way of signaling how little he cared about this sequel. Much like giving it a pretentious title like Folie à Deux, actually. He's both being needlessly obscure by using a French phrase for a mental disorder, and vaguely accusing the audience of mass delusion over their reaction to the first film. The fact that Joker 2 has flopped horribly probably was not something he expected though. After all, the Hangover 2 was garbage but made $100 million+ over the previous film; he probably expected Joker 1 fans would all show up to see this film regardless of negative reviews. He (and the studio) likely failed to realize just how strongly word of mouth and KZbin reviews have become since 2019, or how streaming and capshit fatigue have eroded Hollywood box offices.

[@bobnix3240]

@@berserkasaurusrex4233 Fair enough! I'll take the hit. Cheers.

[@oodanna500]

next movie will be deadshots daughter as a black lesbian communist for the main character

[@YouilAushana]

Yep, _dead baby_

[@akrobatik7154]

ohh i see what you guys are doing now. anything thats not a young white guy struggling to get laid is "woke". Got it.

[@Lane-jq3ed]

Will never watch anything with "spirit cooking" lady guy guy in it👎

[@mvader7188]

Same here.

[@Mr_Bones.]

The same industry who thought Joker 2 was necessary also were the ones that greenlit Titanic 2 (yes, that’s real).

[@samblack5313]

Nooooo 😂 that’s not real. Surely not!?

[@Mr_Bones.]

@@samblack5313 It is, and don’t call me Sherly 👨🏼‍⚕️

[@babblingalong7689]

@@Mr_Bones. Maybe it's about that submarine disaster a year ago. 😄

[@samblack5313]

@Mr_Bones. 😄 👉👉

[@silvernova354]

So - the two pieces on the bottom of the ocean join back together, it bobs back up to the surface for a little while, only to sink again?

[@joshvennum7432]

I actually liked Jonah Hex 🤷‍♂️ A lot better than 99% of anything in the 2020s

[@Prokaryon]

I’m not sure the world needs any more Batman films.

[@Vaquix000]

It really doesn't.

[@boomstickcritique902]

You can always have more Batman but I do want to see Batman villians that haven't been used.

[@Batman12810]

It needs more good films- a few of those can be Batman tales.

[@YouilAushana]

Lean more into ninja style batman detective.

[@YouilAushana]

​@@boomstickcritique902 I really enjoyed how the ridler had a real humanized story

[@DocReasonable]

This was so bad I actually walked out. Then I remembered I'd been watching a pirated version in my own home and went back inside and deleted the file.

[@streetlegalone]

I'm guessing the idea was the joke was on the audience but the audience turned the tables and the joke ended up being on Todd Phillips and Warner Bros

[@stevenking9612]

A series based off of the Gotham Central series would be terrific if done right and would fit in with the narrative being set up by the Penguin series. A grounded crime series that deals largely with the GCPD and the non powered baddies but the shadow of the Bat still hangs over the city as do glimpses of the more dangerous freaks. In Batman comics and films we get a distorted view of how much supernatural and super powered crime is going on because we’re always following Batman around and he deals primarily with the heavy hitters. There’s still tons of other crime stories happening in Gotham that the regular police force have to deal with. Penguin, Riddler, Scarface, Hush even the Scarecrow would fit that narrative quite well.

[@Zonnyzone96]

Joaquin phoenix had his dream in diddys house

[@NeonKnight83]

Has to be where the "grape" scene came from

[@pftburchell5197]

They paid 20 million for Lady GaGa?! Why? It could have been anyone. She didn’t bring any star power to this movie.

[@NoidoDev]

I disagree. This could have worked.

[@pftburchell5197]

@@NoidoDev Her fan base are woman. Woman, don’t show up for this type of film. It’s a male dominated genre.

[@YouilAushana]

They paid her??!!

[@NoidoDev]

@@YouilAushana Since when work people for free?

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

@@NoidoDevthere’s no way a musical was the best sequel considering the events of the first

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

Nice you mentioned "Jonah Hex".....as woke as DC is now, it's hard to believe they once made a Confederate White male superhero. They did though, cool movie too.

[@brucebezold2714]

Hex is a DC creation not Marvel.

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

@@brucebezold2714 Oh!....my bad. Thanks for correcting me, I'll change it.

[@DragonoftheEastblu]

I was just thinking of that movie the other day. I know nothing of the comics, which is probably why I enjoyed the movie, but it contained the things I like (Western and supernatural).

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

@@DragonoftheEastblu Oh I've never read any of the comics, I just know the character from the Josh Brolin movie. Which I have on dvd. Could watch it now if I wanted to.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

That movie was enjoyably bad. Hex was pretty cool in couple Legends of Tomorrow episodes.

[@druidkhan6066]

On the back of the Penguin, it wouldn't surprise me if they did a spin off TV show on Two-Face. You can have this gritty crime/court room drama, of a person who actually tries to fix Gotham's problems through bona fide means unlike Batman. Harvey Dent was a good man and seeing his descent into Two-Face is waiting for a TV show.

[@skxlter5747]

Matt reeves is killing it with The Batman Universe I love Grunge bruce wayne mixed in with a sopranos tone. WB should give everything Matt needs for his franchise no matter what.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

I only hated Catwoman's one line in The Batman. That was just so awful.

[@patrickmcgavin2245]

The problem with the, so called Superman movie, is they're treating it like it's not! a Superman movie. They're treating it like a justice league movie. Just make a good to great down to earth Superman movie. Here's the thing, Idc how good of an actor you are, nobody is going to replace Christopher Reeves as Superman. Don't go into it expecting he'll be better, bc you'll be sorely disappointed.

[@SirLoin2418]

Joker 2 has a secret meaning to it that most of the casual watching fans missed. That meaning is that the real clown was you who went to see it.

[@fasillimerick7394]

I enjoy going to movies by myself, it's strangely empowering. When I saw _Joker 2_ I got to see it literally by myself. It was the first Saturday after it was released, but it was a weekend afternoon, and the cinema was otherwise somewhat busy. It was actually awkward to have the theater by myself.

[@NoidoDev]

This is normal for me. I like to be with only a few people or alone. Better than mobile phone addicts.

[@MrGamman3yt]

There was a KZbinr that compared Tom Green's Freddy Fingers, last Matrix, was basically a finger to the establishment.

[@forsaken7976]

Words

[@gdegde4406]

24:00 "How can people call a movie boring where a mentally ill man gets humiliated and beaten up?" - A great quote that made me laugh like Arthur Fleck.

[@adrianrobison]

WB better have Zack Snyder on deck when James Gunn’s Superman underwhelms…. The audience is so fractured that it would take a miracle to bring it back together

[@rickgarcia6105]

The best option is to have the Snyderverse conclude on Max and Gunn can keep trying his DCU.

[@InfiniteHarbinger]

I would've loved a film talking about the horrors of our old psych institutions. Arthur getting locked in solitude, the wet blanket treatments. Keep him a bit regretful about his actions and slowly but surely erode away Arthur until all he has left is the joker. Have harley as a sympathetic character who falls in love with the joker as she feels for him. The end of the film could be him getting broken free by his supporters and the joker is truly born. Ah well, what could've been.

[@DeathWishGaming]

If Hollywood has ANY sense of self preservation, Todd Philips is going straight to director jail.

[@lindasmith320]

They put a class actor like Phoenix with a boring hack like Gaga, never going to work

[@Finn2885]

Joker 2019: 🤩💵💵💵 Joker 2 2024: ☠️🪦🪦💩

[@CannonRaw]

Something that would have made this movie interesting. Have it from Harley Quinn's (Lady GaGa) perspective entirety. You see the musical numbers gradually increase. You slowly see the poison of Joker's world coil around. The psychological manipulation from the victim's perspective would truely haunting. You could start it with a session. Were gets her to remove a spider or something as small. Then it ends with him getting her to kill someone with no remorse. That transition of Joker's manipulative nature would be fantastic.

[@Dutchfalco]

Joker 2 - Never Go Full Gaga.

[@sumterlb]

😂😂😂

[@benjaminfranklin9966]

That outro music brought me back. NES Batman! I sadly never actually managed to beat the Joker, though I haven't played that since I was like 8 and the internet and walkthroughs didn't really exist yet.

[@jasewildheart]

I love how Todd Phillips thinks hes an auteur...the guy who made Tha Hangover films.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

The Razzie awards are coming up in another five months. This movie will be the top winner! 😛

[@vvhoamark]

The real Joker is me for being hyped and paying money to see it

[@consciousgentile5141]

You got what you deserved😂

[@timothydoheney4820]

Ditto.. 😅

[@jonathansalgado6368]

I got it for free

[@jenat82]

I wasn't a huge fan of the first Joker movie even. It was SOOO depressing. It picked up and got fun when he started doing wild crazy shit. I think the director struggles with Joker 2 because he can't grasp that enjoying the mad spectacle of the Joker doing subjectively evil things is entertaining but doesn't mean that's where your morals lie. Director is probably nursing a raging depression himself, so fun isn't allowed.

[@adolfoustarez]

I love how we as a community are celebrating ‘The Joker Folie a shit’ demise. Especially after Todd Phillips and WB gave the middle finger to the fans.

[@AffectedArea]

Yeah these snides think they've outsmarted us with their 'we're mocking you' schtick. They haven't.

[@richl6725]

I confess I went to see the movie. Afterwards, I have been telling everyone how bad it is and to not waste your money. So bad, I almost left in the middle. But I kept hoping it would get better. Joaquin was great but couldn't save the movie. Terrible.

[@obnoxiousjumper279]

well at least people that hated the first one are happy...are they?

[@sumterlb]

Will not watch if it is worse than the first.

[@622Superman]

God at this point, I'm ready for them to make up some excuse to resurrect John Wick and give me another John Wick movie

[@michaeldearaujo418]

pour info en france joker 2 a fais 600 000 entree au cinema alors que joker a fais 1 700 000 entre au cinema et a l epoque macron et ces ministre critique ce film car trop proche de la situation dans le pays avec la revolte des gilet jaune

[@georgeemery3295]

Oui oui Frenchie

[@atomicdancer]

11:14

[@doomguy4945]

$12m for lady gaga is hilarious. She's not even a good actress lol

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

James Gunn's Superman will be a complete disaster. It will not only be woke, but it will be GotG levels of comedy.

[@akrobatik7154]

woke how? what do you mean when you say that?

[@link1565V2]

The biggest problem with Joker 2 is that when they made the first one, it was pretty much part of the marketing that it was a one and done. That a sequel was not happening and not necessary. Todd Phillips was adamant. Then they expected us to all of a sudden believe that the sequel was must see. As if the audience was stupid enough to believe that Todd Phillips agreed to do this movie for anything other than a huge bag of money. Sorry, not me.

[@gekizai]

Joker: Fully a Doodoo

[@barnbwt]

"The first law of Morbo Dynamics; if Morbius can get a sequel, ANYTHING can get a sequel." --Razorfist, correctly predicting a disaster exactly like this one

[@jaw_1594]

joker 1-2 - not joker, crazy guy

[@gearguy603]

In addition to other outlined problems, nobody wants to pay movie theater prices anymore. 10+ dollar drinks, 10+ dollar popcorn, plus a $15 ticket. No thanks. I used to go to the theater 2 or more times a month. Ive been to three movies this entire year!

[@MrTobi013]

This movie reminds of the first Black Panther, with only the lead actor carrying the entire film....BUT THE SCRIPT WAS SHIT! The first film completed everything it wanted to tell. What was there to say in this one?

[@forsaken7976]

So sad they wasted Chadwick’s T’Challa on a glorified BLM virtue signal. He was perfect for the role and played it perfectly. Unfortunately the script to his solo movie was dogcrap.

[@curtwillett8702]

Heath ledger is THE joker and they want so bad to have somebody top that but its not gonna happen