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Episode 1 11:00
Episode 2 18:42
Episode 3 23:54
Episode 4 28:53
Episode 5 35:02
Season So Far: Review 48:38
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[@tiansewell-morgan7109]

I recommend Kimi ni Todoke (anime series)

[@tracy-annrobinson4559]

Don't actually like trash TV. Just love your discourse on them. Funny and witty, extremely entertaining.

[@Kimball042]

please continue questioning whether marriage is necessary. unless it is equal and continues to be so, then it is a trap for women.

[@izzigo7647]

the Movie interesting

[@vang.609]

Hey, can you watch that movie about a white guy who impersonated a black woman on a radio show? I don't remember what it's called but I remember the trailer and I don't want to watch it but I'm curious about it

[@lillietheoneandonly]

I feel like no one’s talking about Lisa literally assaulting him, like literal physical abuse was shown on screen

[@KB-gc3bh]

THANK YOU i literally felt so crazy that absolutely NOBODY pointed that out at the reunion!! and nobody but antonio stood up for riah! i was like wtf??!

[@aragoonn]

Fucking, this! Everything Lisa did to Brian on camera reads as DV/abuse imo. She assaulted him, is "passionate," verbally abused him and other women, she gave the ultimatum. It is pretty fucked how people are just chill about it. I hate the whole 'if the roles were reversed' but like... imagine if Brian had 'mushed' her face like that on screen?!

[@biguattipoptropica]

Even most of the people covering the show (even in the comments here) are downplaying it… they are pretending that maybe it could be actually his fault. But it couldn’t. She hit him unprovoked as a way to control him.

[@char1211]

I was really surprised not even Kendall acknowledged that more? She's usually good about that stuff and I hate to be "that guy" but if the genders were swapped I feel like people would have a much stronger reaction and Netflix would've handled it very differently

[@genevieve.w]

This was the comment I was looking for! That part had me pissed me off. Like that shit was not ok.

[@mfuentes4961]

Netflix is really disappointing me with how they’re dealing with the very toxic/abusive altercations throughout the seasons of this show and on Love is Blind. Like I know they don’t care about their contestants but Jesus Christ, they could at least do the bare minimum to protect them from domestic violence/abuse.

[@srose1088]

Yeah, it makes me wonder if they would step in if one of the swapped couples got violent... Like, is there a passivity when you see a long-term partner be aggressive on the show?

[@mm_mela4816]

100 percent AGREED. What happened with Tiff on Queer Love Ultimatum, and this season with Lisa. Although if it was a man who was acting like this, confessing on the reunion that they went to jail because they THREW something at their partner, or pushing their partner in the FACE and just insulting other cast members in a nasty manner without consequences.....That dude would of been kicked out i think tbh. But because its a women doing these type of behavior, they let it slide, like legit no one questioning it (from what we see on camera)

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

Right! It's like they think that if they record ALL of it and show it (but refuse to acknowledge it) they can claim they didn't "hide anything". Idk what Netflix be thinking like people can't use Netflix as a reference if someone was to press charges on their partner.

[@mayz1223]

How lisa physically assaulted Brian is not okay. It doesn't matter if she actually hurt him or not. If the roles were reversed everyone would have been shocked and disgusted. Im tired of myself and others having to say this.

[@jemmstone468]

Unrelated- you write clearly and concisely. If you have not considered it, you may enjoy writing your opinion on things, like a critic of sorts. You have a strong voice that could be of a assistance to those looking for it- example: product reviews etc.

[@Remerdre]

Normally, I don't consider it any of my business if people get married or not. But during this whole season, I was actually yelling at the TV "YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET FAR AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. GET OUT OF EACH OTHER'S LIVES AND MOVE ON." I became the kind of judgmental person I never thought I was capable of being, but the thing is, I know I was right. So I'm fine with it.

[@Jennilynne]

Yeah, I found it kind of wild that there wasn't even one couple that I found myself rooting to actually get together. It was quite the opposite, lol.

[@hel2727]

yeah, I thought I was a calm person before I've subjected myself to watching this torture of a show

[@mahlasedimojapelo7808]

from the beginning of the show and it just got louder with each episode

[@SmartgyrlInLA]

That is the entire point of the show. 🤣🤣

[@Name-sb1fr]

All of it

[@jchroma]

When Roxanne said her bf is "so fucking annoying" it was so upsetting, why would you ever say something like that about your significant other?? I wish people thought more about what their words do to others, I'd be devastated

[@meifennellysieu7510]

Everything Roxanne and Alex were saying about Antonio and Kat respectively just hurt to watch. People don't deserve to be patronized like that. (In other news, I really hope these guys aren't dealing with domestic violence, because that is so hard to get away from if you're not a particularly assertive person).

[@froggy5748]

Right? It made me so sad. My boyfriend is the sweetest person I’ve ever met, I’m dating him because I love him. I can’t imagine finding him annoying or dating anyone that I find annoying. It’s crazy how these mfs are staying in relationships where they don’t love their partners at all and just hate each other.

[@hollywont9447]

I hope Antonio’s businesses take off and he leaves her. She’s always going to belittle him because she’s miserable.

[@only98girl]

I did feel really bad for Antonio, must be horrible if your s/o is making you feel less than and that you're not good enough ☹️

[@izzamario3108]

and when she tried to gaslight Alex too, as much as he is a headache himself, he definitely wasnt faking his observation of Roxanne’s ongoing emasculation of Antonio. I was so GLAD that Alex pointed it out but so sad that Antonio was so heavily deluded.

[@notyourdestiny3547]

Guys like Alex do like a challenge, it's just not the challenge of seeing themselves differently, it's the challenge of forcing a woman into submission. They like the idea of "taming" or reeling in someone independent and putting them in a more traditional role. Granted, I'm willing to let this be my shitty experience with men talking. Edit: not just my experience. Shoutouts to the girlies out there making men insecure just because they choose to exercise their autonomy.

[@elleofhearts8471]

the story taming of the shrew is from 1590 and about the browbeating of a spirited and unconventional woman, so your experience has been happening since antiquity. it wouldn't be all that surprising if thats whats happening here

[@SoufyAsth]

A classic.

[@honestlythough7250]

I have heard multiple woman say this is their experience so i’d say its a common thing 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@mizsevenoneeight685]

Sadly your experience is spot on & standard 👍🏼

[@sarhahillsburg5142]

I just made a similar comment. But I said he like challenge in same sense of someone "breaking" a wild horse I think word Kenny was looking for was superiority. He has an air of feeling he's superior to women he dating or with.

[@palamedes4740]

Subject themselves to the Leshays IS SO ACCURATE OF A SENTENCE

[@uhuhuh1966]

I love that you probably couldn’t spell their name any more incorrectly 😂 it fits their vibe

[@buffythepapislayer]

@@uhuhuh1966Lmfaooooo seriously

[@palamedes4740]

I sure don't to quote Parodeez they don't make me giggle they make me google who the tf they are and I aint got time@@uhuhuh1966

[@mauridegooijer3064]

These people will air out their dirty laundry for the world to see, and yet still refuse to go to therapy.

[@elleofhearts8471]

which makes me things theres got to be someone at least 1person whose not actually here to save their relationship, just want the benefits of being on a reality TV show, and already knew what they were going to choose before coming on the show. You can potentially start a career in entertainment or social media personality, or boost your social media presence from this show for example

[@twsarahh]

How do they still not have a marriage councilor on standby 😭

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

Because they care more for "drama"

[@elleofhearts8471]

than again if everyone on the show went to couples counseling none of them would be together anymore. Which is the best outcome. But you cant make a reality show out of people doing common sense things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@sincerely5906]

It might be the budget too. I would rather a LMFT host this show than the Lacheys.

[@xLiLlyx98]

​@@sincerely5906honestly I would watch that. Not sure if you know Steph Anya here on KZbin but if not I highly recommend her, she did couple breakdowns for love is blind... If they just sent the same people from this show to her and just filmed the sessions I would watch the hell out of it, just as much footage and soooo much more value I wol

[@raharahman1321]

the reason I like when shows like love is blind or ultimatum have a new season is bc of the kennie videos 💀

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

That was my first thought when I saw the new season came out

[@hypnoteapot]

Looooove her reviews... and I don't even watch the shows 😅

[@ellieminnow]

Roxanne would be miserable to work for. You can tell she wouldn't understand simple concepts like needing off for a death in the family, court summons, jury duty, being in the ICU. She'd be in the ICU room to yell "the grind never stops" at you while you're in a coma. Not recognizing that it's her grind, not yours.

[@MJ-gm7km]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ajheartsong]

She would be the WORST boss 🙄

[@AugustSequoia]

Honestly, the vibe I get is that she wouldn't understand the business itself... she seems like one of those "my employee did this work, therefore *I* did this work and deserve all the money" kind of boss.

[@Laurenjoinsyoutube]

Roxanne really had me thinking Antonio was a straight bum and turns out he’s starting a business and was waiting for a deal to close

[@debbieakadely1212]

and her "grind" is selling pasties 💀💀💀

[@biancanaishe]

Omg yess, this is also what I commented 😭 Antonio is actually doing well for himself

[@choles523]

yes omg

[@zeppbby]

right

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

I have always been of the opinion that Roxanne sees Antonio as a reflections of her insecurities period like, she compla. It's about meeting motivation and all of this, and how Antonio does none of that, but it pushes her to go hard period and now it is only more proven because now Antonio is successful in her insecurities of slamming her back in the face because technically in a way he could be doing better than her with his businesses. That just my opinion

[@ivannareyes1780]

For people like Alex, the challenge is getting someone like Roxanne to become like Kat for him. It's not the banter and sharing of opposing views, it's controlling somebody who seemed to strong and sure of themselves.

[@jemmstone468]

So scary to think about

[@daydreamer825]

yes!! his comment abt being surprised that roxanne was smart and how he’s never been around someone that smart (smth along those lines) just reeks of misogyny

[@Lel472]

This 💯

[@mollyshealingcorner]

Nailed it 💯

[@debbieakadely1212]

this!! a lot of men will be with women whom they deem a "challenge" so that they can try and morphe them into the person they want.

[@brionaaxx215]

Brian is a battered man. I highly doubt that was the first time Lisa’s put her hands on him. It was NATURAL for her to do it. And on national tv. And he was barely phased. He’s used to it. No apology was given. He didn’t even request one. It was like “hey I’m pregnant” and we just forget the physical abuse that transpired??? I wouldn’t be surprised if she trapped that man

[@saigeferko6035]

Larry was the REALEST ONE in this whole season!! That is a man who loves his wife and wants to hold his kids/their partners to the same standard. "Would you marry yourself" is honestly such a great question and my partner and I were cheering for him that whole interaction 👏

[@slsthewriter1299]

It's such a great question because there's so many layers. Like you can gleam a lot from it depending on the answer itself, and then how they answered it. Like, why would you say no rather than yes? Are you too self-centered when you say yes?

[@megahercklekoty]

I was really surprised that anyone would answer „yes” to this question, and I don’t think it has anything to do with my self-esteem. I simply don’t gravitate towards people very similar to myself, since relationships like this can become unbalanced very quickly, seeing as we have almost identical flaws and blind spots. I get on best with people that balance out some of my shortcomings, so I probably wouldn’t even be close friends with myself. I think the tension between Alex and Roxanne shows it pretty clearly: it’s difficult for two leaders to come to a compromise, it’s equally difficult for two pushovers to decide on anything.

[@tiffyq7794]

Who’s Larry?

[@Moerighan]

@@tiffyq7794 if you watched it youd see its Roxannes dad.

[@rarahrararah]

@@tiffyq7794roxannes dad

[@genesisgenuinely]

this was the most obvious “no one here is ready for marriage” season. maybe except for trey and ryann but everyone else 🫠.

[@mizsevenoneeight685]

I’d say Trey “wants” marriage, but isn’t ready for it due to him not having the discernment of actually considering wants/needs of Riah (I.e. compatibility). He seems to have a picture for his life and doesn’t realize that simply inserting the woman you want (despite her voicing different desires) is not a recipe for marital success.

[@genesisgenuinely]

@@mizsevenoneeight685 oh yes i completely agree! i just think he needs to actually be with someone who wants what he wants and not wait for her to get to where he wants her to be, like you said it’s not fair!

[@melvv18]

​@@mizsevenoneeight685The fact that he couldn't give a straight answer to any of Riah's corncerns, especially on the baby part, prove he was approaching marriage and a relationship from a self-centered place.

[@carolmwangi25]

Riah felt so unready for me with her one year in the city BS and sudden fake frequent tears as soon as she heard trey caught feelings. She was showing open disinterest in Trey to James frequently.

[@ajheartsong]

Yea I feel like trey and Ryann could be good together but they’re not willing to go there because of their exes (I’m only on episode 5). Idk what could be james’ deep dark secret, that he cheated? Did he kill somebody??

[@amayathomas6907]

I don’t know about cheating but my theory about Lisa is that she brought Brian in there hoping he either wouldn’t find anyone/or get jealous of guys talking to her and wanna leave. And when that clearly wasn’t gonna happen she got mad. 😂

[@susasanchez8970]

fr!! i think she even said that he needed to feel like he would lose her and then he’ll want to marry her so when she saw that he was attracted to someone else she panicked and got jealous lmao

[@Anonymous-bp5vq]

That must be it! Funny thing is that Trey was totally into her so if she played her cards right and stayed little longer she could have accomplished her mission.

[@brianbeavers6224]

Facts! I would have loved to see how she would have acted if a dude she considered hot was there all into her. I wonder if she would still be obsessed with her man and jealous of Riann.

[@Ashbrash1998]

I got that vine from her too, she just seemed really insecure to me as well.

[@emilyau8023]

​@susasanchez8970 if it comes to that, people gotta break up.

[@carolitoffana]

The fact that someone issued an ultimatum to Roxane makes me believe that I too can get married 🙏

[@gabiluch87]

I wouldn't want an Antonio to propose to me tho.. Rather stay single

[@carolitoffana]

@@gabiluch87 great point!!! 😂😂😂

[@frenchgirl5878]

No, cause the she might be nasty, but she's pretty and succesful enough that guys will ignore that. So no, you're not more desireable or more of a "catch" for marriage than she is just because you are less toxic (unfortunately).

[@lillian3415]

@@frenchgirl5878she has a small business… she came from money I have never heard of her business she only has like 20k on insta she’s not as successful as she claims.

[@BigMoney398]

​@@frenchgirl5878des don't really care too much about how successful their woman is.

[@bookshelfhoney]

I feel like im getting a headache from everyones names being too similar. So Riah is into James who was dating Ryann but shes also into Bryan?! Help 😂

[@GridSeer]

Should use nicknames. Riot Grrrl, Bryan Cranston, Singular Jame, Rocks, Pizza, etc

[@alpacafish1269]

oh god

[@Molly-iw1rc]

Pregnancy in an unhealthy relationship can be common for so many reasons. Like sometimes a guy purposefully tries to get his partner pregnant so she can't leave, sometimes someone will try to get pregnant to who they are with won't leave, sometimes there is an extreme lack of boundaries or conversations surrounding pregnancy that makes them simply less careful about getting pregnant. I just hope in this situation the pregnancy isn't a pawn in a game for one of them, I hope they are somewhat prepared to deal with the situation.

[@missdella4990]

And let’s not forget a HIGH level of immaturity surrounding creating another human life that they’ll be responsible for

[@elleofhearts8471]

the first thing you're describing is called "baby trapping" btw. I think its crazy how people can get serious about marriage before they talk about pregnancy, birth control, abortion etc. parenthood is a deal breaker for a reason. wild that people think parenthood either isn't hard to do, so don't talk about it in the first few conversations, or they think it won't change their lives significantly. Or consider that their partner might be good partner but not a good parent or could be vice versa. ideally you want both if you want kids but some people can only be one and that person could be your partner. Or you could be that person yourself. Also I dont understand how a baby is supposed to fix a relationship. I've heard that many times before but I never understood how you get from A to Z that way. People aren't going put their gripes aside because a baby is on the way. The gripes are just going to metastasize on top of the stress of raising a child. Could someone explain it to me?

[@hypnoteapot]

Lisa clearly did it on purpose to trap him and nobody can convince me otherwise.

[@xLiLlyx98]

​@@elleofhearts8471and the issues will later transfer onto the child and/or they will be traumatised by witnessing the shitty and possibly toxic relationship. Or be a child of divorce because the stress of parenting will finally break apart the already shaky foundation. I also don't understand why people would opt for a kid as glue to hold the crumbling thing together

[@debbieakadely1212]

@@hypnoteapot i agree. one of her reasons for giving him an ultimatum is that her biological clock was running out and she wanted kids before marriage, which was a weird thing to say cause lisa apparently already has a kid. i feel bad for brian cause when he eventually mans up and leaves her i know she's gonna be a nightmare baby mama

[@keishablake6930]

Between Antonio and Roxanne I think he was probably more confident before meeting her. I think she plays a MAJOR role in him being the insecure crying man we see on TV who feels like he isn’t enough because in his relationship with her she’s constantly reminded him that he isn’t. She’s toxic in the way that she brings him down instead of building him up and if she feels he’s so beneath her then she needs to stop making him hate himself and just find someone else more on her “level”

[@brianbeavers6224]

Facts and he wants to prove he can be that man so bad but I think she isn't even into him like she's trying to portray. She was so giddy when she first started talking to the other guy and saw he was in business as well. You never try to prove you're good enough for a woman or force things.

[@melvv18]

Is hard to know, because from his perspective, she gavr him something to strive for. At the same time, we do see that Roxane feeds into his insecurities and inadecuacy, so there's a lot to unpack, but we really do not have all the info to understand their weird relationship.

[@brianbeavers6224]

@@melvv18 but even if he becomes a millionaire baller he will never be enough. She seemed more into the other dude. I just feel like she's settling and him becoming successful won't make her excited about him. I don't see why he's so stuck on her. So many women out there why settle with her.

[@keishablake6930]

@@brianbeavers6224 Exactly! From a female perspective I think Antonio is her safety net. She knows that the type of guy she actually wants isn’t going to allow her to walk all over them and the second she tries to speak to them in such a manner they are going to be out the door. So she comes back to Antonio and claims it’s love when it isn’t. He’s the only one who worships her and her toxicity without telling her she’s got things to work on so of course she wants to stick with the guy she can manipulate and control vs being with an older wiser man who wont tolerate her bullshit. They mentioned breaks in their relationship where she dated other people and came back to him. I’d bet anything it’s because she left him for a man more her preference and the man wouldn’t tolerate how she acts so she runs back to the one who will.

[@brianbeavers6224]

@@keishablake6930 facts you hit the nail on the head! Sad he takes her back and is fooling himself.

[@karmacrackdown]

Comment on high school couples eventually getting married: I've seen it work out a few times, and in every case it's because they each had a lot of space to develop on their own as adults. They went to different colleges (sometimes considerably long-distance), usually didn't live together until their early twenties/after undergrad. They also weren't so focused on staying together at all costs (one couple I know took a break for two years and got back together), it just kept working out so they kept a good thing going.

[@Sahdirah]

+

[@vapiddreamscape]

I married my best friend from hs (my first girl crush lol) and I second all of this. We're queer and not high school sweethearts so that's slightly different but huge second to all of this. I doubt we'd be where we are today if we hadn't had our college years to experiment and figure out some of our individual wants and needs.

[@kat_the_mouse]

I know a couple who are in their 60s now and got married at 17. It does happen, just very rarely lol

[@NataliaELopez]

I second all of this. I’m going to 8 years with my high-school sweetheart and the reason why it’s actually working (apart from the fact that we really love each other) is that we trust each other and have spent at least half the time apart, him doing his thing, me doing my thing. I have been away for some summers because of internships and right now we’re doing long distance which doesn’t feel too different to be honest 😂. We’re used to not being near each other all the time and because of that, we have been able to really find ourselves and what we want. I think we have grown even if it’s a little bit as independent people and it has made our relationship stronger. We also have never lived together.

[@JulianaCeasers]

I second this! No idea what she meant by “conducive to self development” lol. sounded like an exaggerated attempt to make an intelligent point using big words but it fell flat. Some people meet the love of their life in high school and as long as they are cognizant not to lose their identity in their relationship (which can happen to people in their 30s too btw) they make it work.

[@ojs5988]

When I say my jaw was on the floor throughout Lisa's tantrum. She really put her hands on that man then went on a vile, degrading tirade towards Riah so by the time she announced that she's "pregnant" I couldn't help but feel like she was just lying to get out of the show and keep Brian tied down. Her and Roxanne were awful representations of boss women.

[@loraelizabeth7580]

To the question “would you marry yourself?” My answer is immediately “no” and that’s not a bad thing. I’m disorganized, forgetful, sometimes lazy, and occasionally impulsive. I need someone who is not those things. If I married a copy of me we’d end up divorced because we’d drive each other nuts.

[@GridSeer]

Bingo. Same here. I dated someone very similar to me last year and we lived together. Got along amazing for the first few months. Absolutely hated each other by 6 months in. Do not recommend

[@loraelizabeth7580]

@@GridSeer my parents are very much opposites, except when it comes to the important stuff like morals and values, and they’ve been together 30 years. I love that they’re different, if I need practical solutions to a problem I go to my dad, if I want to talk about my feelings or need to vent I go to my mom. So if they were the same I’d go crazy. Yeah, they argue but what couple doesn’t? And in the end it’s always for the better. However, my unfortunate cross to bear is that I’m like *both* of them in multiple ways😂

[@smome7773]

Lisa disappointed me so badly with the "hooter's bitch" and other denigrating comments towards Riah. It was to the point that when Lisa "needed" to leave later on in the show, I thought it was a hoax and her supreme insecurity was just trying to keep Brian from Riah.

[@emilyau8023]

I know, right? Calling her all these names when she doesn't even know her and she's younger than her too. Another thing is...using pregnancy to fix their relationship...honey

[@registeredjopper]

I hate how truly misogynistic some women can be. she makes a lot too; I can definitely see her being the type to kick the ladder down behind her

[@Jenny-vm3yu]

Lisa also used to work at Hooters…I’m guessing this comes from both insecurity about her past and feeling threatened by perhaps what she perceives as a younger and more attractive version of herself. Defo an ego defence mechanism and very hard to watch.

[@ojs5988]

So I'm not the only 1 who was lowkey thinking "she lying. where is the pregnancy test? I wanna see it"

[@jamiecare1042]

I was thinking… “you’re some kind of VP but acting this way on television?” The fragility and internalised misogyny were on full display. I would be surprised to find out she wasn’t fired. She just ruined her brand AND her boss’s brand. She’s an abuser AND dumb with it.

[@leandrawilliams3533]

This season had me truly conflicted. I was disturbed and bored at the same time watching these couples.

[@Monocultured01]

I straight up stopped watching after the first few minutes of the second episode. I was too disgusted by how Netflix handled (or didn't handle, more accurately) Lisa assaulting her partner to continue.

[@EbonySiren23]

I stopped watching for the same reason. The couples aren’t that interesting.

[@hanatirk4375]

​@@EbonySiren23me too, it's so boring

[@rosyface_]

Lisa and Brian were shockingly toxic, it was so fast. I got vibes that he’d cheated on her before which was why she was trying to force him into marriage and hoped that she would be able to make him jealous enough to propose. When that didn’t work out, she got violent with him and was absolutely nasty to someone else who was just in the same experience as she was. Her pregnancy seemed sus and their dynamic makes me concerned for their child.

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

exactly :(

[@jeremyd5850]

Everyone is toxic. Everyone is desperate. Everyone is annoying. Bring me the drama 🎭

[@MTdaBlacking]

"Would you marry yourself?" I am now hit with an existential+introspective crisis. Thank you, random old man...I needed another one of those. 🖕🏾

[@averyeml]

Pet theory is they found Lisa & Bryan early in the casting stage and went “oh THERE is our crazy, let’s build some basic people around them and watch it burn” and didn’t realize that she was the kind of crazy that hits her guy on camera and has a convenient positive pregnancy test and he’s willing to duck out of this and just keep coasting. So then we got decent but unexciting in the editing sense rest of the season because their teaser/headline generators dipped

[@wompwomp9946]

I used to be married to a guy like Alex. Couldn't quite my finger on why, after 7 years of marriage, I felt completely lost and numb. I've experienced scarier situations in my life with scarier people, but that marriage just broke my spirit down almost completely. Very happy I escaped. Even now I have a hard time explaining and even parsing exactly what and how everything happened. It was insidious.

[@milakunis5207]

It's most likely a form of narcissism and co-dependence. Feel free to look it up and see if there's anything to relate to :) good luck in the future.

[@lumiao1685]

I'm glad you aren't married to that guy any more. What's difficult with men like Alex is they are quite good at pretending to be interesting and thoughtful when actually they are selfish, narcissistic and deeply sexist and disrespectful.

[@smlb1352]

I found you because of the Ultimatum S1 bc my husband watched to calm his nerves the week he proposed 😂 so this feels like a full circle moment bc we just celebrated 8 months of marriage! And he knew I'd say yes because within the first 5 weeks of dating (we were friends first) we talked about life goals, kids and marriage and decided together to get married through✨️communication✨️

[@svnny18]

awww congratulations

[@smome7773]

Congratulations aww🎉

[@ava-ff9rt]

That's adorable, congrats 👏 💖

[@hananberger4372]

Ngl, the show was worth it. Love you❤

[@smlb1352]

@@hananberger4372 love you too 😘

[@rumbabygal-5758]

Not “subject themselves to the lasheys” 😭😭nah bse i gasped when I saw Vanessa and said well I hope she’s not going to harass people for an “Ultimatum Baby”

[@killanelle]

thank you kennie for giving us what the people NEED

[@ironic5503]

FR I’ve been waiting for this😩

[@princessofhell4639]

Regarding the bed/air mattress thing Let's not forget that it's also very valid for couples to want to have their own rooms and space. Thid works for a lot of people who prefer to have the option to share beds or not. It does not take away from the validity of the relationship (obviously for this show it is a little counter-productive unless he was planning on doing this arrangement).

[@rachels.4159]

every season, I notice the same patterns with quite a few of them: they don't want to get married because they love that person and want to spend the rest of their life with them. they're just trying to check off the marriage box in these timelines they think they have to follow bc society says they have to

[@rachels.4159]

also im so sorry but i had to get this off my chest: riah, brian, and antonio are all SO FINE

[@tammyen]

i dated a guy that was vaguely condescending and it was always so difficult to put into words the exact transgressions against me. It was just like every conversation felt *off* and left me feeling slightly uncomfortable after, but I couldn't pinpoint exactly what.

[@mick7804]

Yeah the way everyone keeps saying Riah doesn’t like TREY specifically as the reason she doesn’t want to marry is upsetting like no one has listened to what she says. She went through something tragic when pregnant 2 years ago with Trey, who even knows this but continues to press the kids thing, she is only 24 and wants to explore and wants to have and do things for herself that she was never able to have or experience growing up. Trey is 28 and ready he has his life together already. It’s not her not liking him at all, she’s YOUNG she’s had a hard time and she she’s scared that doing everything now will stop her from ever doing anything she wanted since settling down will make you busy. It’s frustrating everyone keeps talking down on her when almost everyone else here is 30ish and acting immature…

[@chloeblakesley608]

I think it’s such an interesting reflection about Antonio replacing things he used to abuse to numb himself with the relationship with Roxanne! I felt like Roxanne has become Antonio’s identity which is maybe why he struggled so much to accept any of what Alex was saying, because it threatened his identity not just his relationship?

[@shanyshwoods5242]

I feel like bc Trey is ready to get married, it could have been anyone. It seems like Riah maybe a trophy, so her feelings, thoughts, etc don't matter to him. This was the first season I actually watched. And while I love, love, this show made me appreciate being single.

[@debbieakadely1212]

trey comes off slightly insecure about himself ( he's said so himself that he even has a hard time receiving compliments from people regarding his looks cause he doesnt see himself they way others see him). i think riah may have been the first baddie he's even bagged hence why he's down to get married without considering her concerns and what's holding her back. he's more in love with the idea of being married so yeah i agree with u, it couldve been anyone

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

And now they are having a baby.... hoping for the best. I wonder about her going to the city now or him atleast acknowledging her thoughts n feelings 🙄 I'm worried for hr and hope theybaw a sex and couple councilor

[@sarhahillsburg5142]

Alex comes off as having a superiority to himself. He feels or views himself superior so when he says he likes how she "challenges" him it's more in sense of like the challenge of breaking a horse, or a badly behaved puppy.

[@rachelzimmermann8249]

This season was sooooo boring and was paced way too fast! They barely gave us any time with each of the trial marriages and I don’t think a single couple should have stayed together ! It’s like they needed a season where the ultimatum actually ‘worked’ so they can keep getting couples to sign up.

[@AndSoWeLaughed]

This will continue to get people to sign up because they love being on TV (streamed no less) and seeing people talk about them in real time via hashtags. If anyone wanted their relationship to actually work they wouldn’t issue an ultimatum in the first place, and if they do they would visit a therapist or counsellor in private. These people know their relationships are awful. The only reason they get casted is because they have something to stream and manipulate into a story.

[@gabiluch87]

I thought this season was sooo boring... I feel like when the preggo couple left they realised the messiest messiness was gone so they were grasping for straws and tried to milk out drama that wasn't there. The producers definitely prompted Alex to talk to Antonio about Roxxane to have sth kinda messy.

[@hanatirk4375]

Exactly what I thought, I stopped watching after the preggos left

[@manoneveren479]

I highly recommend watching the French ultimatum if you want to watch it just for yourself, they really have such a different approach culturally for the whole experiment. Their trial partners are not really romantic rather platonic friendships that help figure things out, in the best cases.

[@Stxph811]

Yes yes and yes! I keep saying this and I love that the show had no hosts so it was more natural.

[@Zyxie_Zyxie_Zyxie]

Am I only one that thinks that the people who would want to take their partners on this show are like kinda icky?? Like it just all seems so manipulative to me and if you need to do all this maybe y’all shouldn’t be together 🤷‍♀️

[@angygremlin4423]

Yeah, I don't get it. If someone wants to marry you, they'll marry you. My husband and I were engaged after about a year and married around year three. We got married earlier than expected due to circumstances at the time, but I didn't have to pressure him into marrying me. Nothing against people that don't want to get married, but they should make that clear when they start dating and they shouldn't try to date people that want marriage.

[@kissit012]

@@angygremlin4423in my experience it’s people that want to be married that are delusional and ignore people that don’t telling them they don’t. I make sure to say I don’t want marriage or kids as soon as the subject comes up, usually first or second date. After that I’ve been manipulated, lied to, gaslit, bullied, threatened, insulted, and harassed by people who want marriage/kids. Some will say they understand what I say and respect my boundaries, then proceed to ignore everything I said and act like they know better for me than I do. I’ve had 6 proposals and 3 men try to get me pregnant on purpose after agreeing with me that they also didn’t want marriage or kids either, and pretend to respect my boundaries. I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t want those things lie to or trick anyone who does into a relationship with them and just not say anything until it’s too late.

[@phylis5264]

​@@angygremlin4423that's the reality for a lot of your everyday people, but 90% of the people on reality shows are problematic,toxic, immature and not so smart

[@bookshelfhoney]

Yeah if anyone wanted to go on the show with me (back before I got married) I'd be like okay time to break up bye see ya 👋

[@BlackLasher]

When Kennie allows herself fun, she fertilizes her imagination and later, when she gives herself the right amount of pressure; (in that space between anxiety and stress) comes comedy, creativity and the fruits of her labors. Wicked.

[@ayuders]

The more I watch of these "relationship" reality tv shows makes me happy I've never dated despite being 26

[@Jennilynne]

I've dated, but it's been years now that I've been "in the dating game", so to speak lol. These shows definitely do the same thing for me. I just end up like I'm too old and tired for some of the nonsense I see people saying/doing.

[@kamiiu]

same tbh

[@LewinskyNails]

Frrrr

[@DresdenShuffle]

Relationships are overrated. Find some friends and pets instead, much less drama.

[@user-jk4jj4nm1q]

I don't know if this could of interest to any fellow late 20's here: I just had my first relationship at 26, and while I was/am terrified of so many things before, during and after, I can say it made me grow and heal a lot. He is like none of the guys on the reality shows, though. I guess in the process of waiting to get into a relationship, I gained enough wisdom that I was able to finally choose a good man. Or maybe I just got lucky in the end. And it's completely different than any situationship I have ever had the misfortune of being involved in before. A good man is a good man. It's like I've seen the light 😂 but even then it's not over... You need to make sure you're also compatible...

[@hollyburks7635]

“Hold me accountable…. Unless it’s very funny” This sent me 🤣

[@fernandafuentes6858]

This season was so boring specially after the drama that queer love gave us but at least we have a new Kennie video about it

[@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia]

Oh, wait, did Kennie just like, properly promote her own music? I'm so proud ❤

[@gravyall0va]

She’s getting better at it I’m so proud of her too 🥹

[@evanlinden4410]

I’m also post-migraine. I’ve eaten, taken my meds, and now Kennie is gonna talk to me about some trash

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

The theme this season was weaponixing an already weaponized at heart term known as "love languages". Just an fyi for yall, look into the history of that bs

[@toxihex876]

As far as I've noticed, people who have been in a relationship since high school and stay together for years mostly do so because that's all they know, not because their love is so strong and deep (in some cases it could be, in most it absolutely is not).

[@youyeedyourlasthaw]

they don't have any therapists on these shows but Bad Girls Club did? That just shows how horrible they are

[@BigMoney398]

Fr

[@kianaolive]

To be fair, the one on BGC was a “life coach” (unless there’s another person you’re talking about that I forgot) and I’m 95% sure she was only on the show to get the girls to talk about their trauma and issues for more content 😭

[@puddingcake39]

I literally thought the same thing about Lisa’s reaction during the cocktail party that she was probably cheated on (either by him or a previous partner but she’s definitely still traumatised about having been cheated on). And yes I share your opinion, if someone cheats on you, break up!! At least in my opinion

[@chelscara]

Roxanne doesn’t look bad there’s just something very late 00s, early 10s about her makeup that keeps throwing me when she comes on screen.

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

The tattoo lips, eyeliner and the filler folding her upper lip

[@Jailyn]

“Looming Condescension” was the perfect way to describe Alex lol

[@mfuentes4961]

Just when I thought that The Ultimatum could get even worse, season 2 pops up. I do not how Netflix managed to find couples that were even MORE messy and unstable than the couples on the previous seasons for this this season.

[@Jennilynne]

I feel like this season was messy... but not so much in a fun or even entertaining way. Just a bunch of people I felt like really shouldn't get married. Especially as some didn't even seem to like the other all that much. Also, all the talk about working/the grind reminded me of how annoying it can be to interact with anyone who makes one thing their entire personality. I've met some people who only ever wanted to talk about one (or a couple) thing and they'd get annoyed if the conversation strayed from their interests. Then they'd try to steer it back to something they wanted to talk about. I'm not always interested in everything someone is talking about, but, I at least try to continue the conversation. Maybe I'll learn something or be introduced to something new that might become a new interest. I've never understood being so closed off to even the idea of new hobbies or topics, lol.

[@registeredjopper]

its funny that James cried at the idea of Ryann being with someone who appreciates her, yet the very next day he's flirting with the idea of sleeping with Riah (?)

[@CatalinaRV]

every time netflix releases a new season of this crap or love is blind i only get excited because i know your videos are coming

[@Jasyoucan]

When the couples switch back they should have them meet with a couple’s therapist together and a one on on therapist once a week. I feel like it’d add some real value to the show. 😅

[@Leelior]

Would I marry myself? My first answer was "Heck no! Both of us being handicapped by autism would be a damned disaster!" but then I thought it through for a few seconds and came to the conclusion that actually; we would either be the worst couple, where nothing would get done and the house would be a mess OR we would be the best couple! Because we would both know of our handicap and would both be overly helpful because we know we have the same handicap! We would ask each other for help and we would do the helping because we know what it is like to need the help! Perfect!

[@crystalw.6033]

Awwww

[@melodyxf2514]

Kennie! You should watch the Ultimatum France!! I think it is the most chaotic season out there, love sqares, infidelity, crying, screaming, etc. All the good stuff for a terrible experiment!

[@hypnoteapot]

I'm french canadian. In my culture, for most people, marriage is something you do for fun in your 30s or 40s after the house and the kids and years of a commited relationship. Lots don't even get married, like my parents and myself, because it's a crazy waste of money. Nobody's religious anymore, so what even is the point beside an excuse to throw a huge party? I'll never understand why marriage is still such a big and serious deal in american culture....

[@BigMoney398]

Damn so all of yall are just a bunch of baby daddy's and mommas??

[@hypnoteapot]

​​@@BigMoney398No need to be married to be in a loyal partnership that lasts a lifetime. My parents are both 64 and have been together over 40 years. They have two kids and three grandchildren they both spend a lot of time with. They have retired and now travel the world together. I fail to see what a wedding would've added in their relationship.

[@delilahsimmons1842]

I'm not American so I can't speak for them but to me marriage is important because of the legal implications. Having a committed longterm relationship is awesome but it means nothing in terms of inheritance, insurance, or power of attorney in the event of a medical emergency. I like that feeling of safety and certainty that a marriage to the one I love eould offer

[@hypnoteapot]

​​@@delilahsimmons1842 That is fair. A well-made will does achieve the same results, though, so it is still not completely necessary to get married nowadays.

[@fairygothmother111]

i’m stuck in vegas for a layover and NEEDED this. thank you kennie

[@cpkgrownup9496]

I know I wasn’t the only one who was disappointed when Lisa and Brian left. I was getting so hype for the mess that was sure to unfold. I feel like I was robbed. 😭😭😭

[@AMFibers]

"I tend to date tall and skinny. Like if blew on them they'd fall over." Damn, that's too real. 😅😅😅

[@rediz5557]

So Lisa's clearly super insecure and wanting to push Brian into marriage and she had a total blowup at him for doing the show she brought them on and physically shoved him in the face?? Like she put her hands on him that's fucked up. I don't think there's a need to justify that by saying he must have cheated on her to provoke this when there's no evidence of that and on the face of it she's treating him pretty poorly. Like if we watched a man blow up like that on his gf and shove her in the face it would be very obviously a huge huge red flag

[@Tink00]

My grandparents were together from high school to the day my grandpa died, over 60 years, and the two of them were always very open about how unusual that was, and how lucky they got.

[@timetraveler878]

As someone who is 23 and has been in a relationship with the same person since 16, I think the best way for it to work is if you get really lucky and are able help each other grow together

[@chilltater970]

On a road trip, a 50 min Kennie video is exactly what I need!

[@shirleygreening6056]

I can barely even sit through recaps of the ultimatum who okayed this torture. I’ve never actually felt bad for the people who chose to go on reality tv but this one’s messed tf up

[@vonne2218]

The Lacheys didn't get fired, they're still the hosts for love is blind. Netflix loves the hate they get, more attention for the show.

[@jasminemackey8953]

Gonna put in here as a person who married my first boyfriend; it works well if you are two people that are willing to actually grow together and respect each others needs. I think we are both different people than we were when we first met, but I think our core values were the same and we gave each other space to learn and make mistakes. Our communication was always the biggest pillar we built up, and that prevented a lot of issues I've seen others have in their relationships. We've been together for 13 years now and still strong :-) We also made a point to continue to see our premarital therapist long after we got married (non religious therapist even though we are both Christian because.....sometimes the church be churchin). Going even through the "good" times allows us to work on tools to use in the "bad times" while both being in a more open headspace. That is not to say that this is a path meant for everyone; I think I always was very sure about what I wanted and thus was incredibly choosy when it came to the character of the person I wanted to fully be in a relationship with. Being demisexual helped that a lot too probably......and I was just very blessed and lucky to find someone so early because a lot of these menfolk suck out here lol. I just wanted to give a case that yes, you can grow as a person and have personal development while being with your first love. After all, there are plenty of people who date a lot of different people and have plenty of experiences and still don't quite know who they are or what they want. If you can communicate well and have a partner that LISTENS, respects, understands what you're saying and can communicate at the same level as you, I think that's the key to it working out whether it's the 1st or 50th boyfriend.

[@faithtinywishes8232]

I married my first boyfriend as well! We’ve been married a year, so it was really encouraging to read your advice 💛

[@svnny18]

17:14 MY IDEA EXACTLY. Like she really signed up and she didn’t think “oh he’s gonna be talking to other girls too and he might find love”. but no? like what was the plan LMAO

[@WitchofHeart13]

At this point I’m convinced that I can be brought back from a coma by these vids, bless y’all.

[@monet6104]

My weekend is not complete without Kennie😭😭🥺

[@TI3RU]

Lisa gives me huge Mildred vibes from your recap, and we know how that ended 😅

[@Someloser3232]

I’m so glad Kennie makes these videos so I don’t have to subject myself to this hot mess and the devils (the Lashays)

[@chelscara]

“I wannabe married for 30 yrs” should not be the reason to marry someone, actually 😅😂😂

[@heyhey9840]

I literally started squealing when I read the video title, I love Kennie reviewing trashy love shows!! HDJDJDJJDJEJR 😭😭

[@raelynnstraws1908]

thé way that these people are not only on different pages emotionally but it’s so painfully obvious there’s fundamental differences. And the ones that do compliment each other are bound to be toxic

[@damascus9876]

I’m sorry but Roxanne sh*t talking Antonio and seemingly insinuating that Alex would’ve hooked up and then it immediately cutting to Alex being like “she’s tiring” made me LAUGH SO HARD. 🤣

[@killanelle]

the russet cameo at 12:00

[@littlerelief]

"I'm going to have two kids and be an empty nester traveling the world with my spouse" uh honey, you do know that you can't predict the entire lives of the kids you pop out, right? If you want them tidily out of your way by 18, you definitely aren't prepared for having kids.

[@tori5509]

with a show that has a premise like this i didn’t think it’d be possible for s2 to be worse than s1 but wow i was sooo wrong. it’s definitely worse😭

[@alicekaty100]

Girl watch The Ultimatum France cause they don't get as intimate as they do in this version and it still manages to be wild asf

[@loverofstarz]

Brian is Nigerian. Getting someone pregnant before marriage is a GREAT shame in the culture. Getting someone you don't even like pregnant....YEESH. On top of that, he KNOWS his parents will force him to marry her. It's in the culture. I honestly feel bad for him, but he should've wrapped it up.

[@jennah5990]

Wait he’s Nigerian?? I thought he was Black American-

[@tamm888]

So the tea is that Lisa was in a relationship & with Brian. That’s what their trust issues are. Their friends told the internet.

[@Kaykokovids]

Idk if Kennie would actually watch this but after seeing your review of Red, White, and Royal Blue I really would love to see your reaction to Our Flag Means Death. Definitely a silly pirate show w/ very cute couples and quirky characters. S2 comes out in October and idk I just wanted to put it out there🤷🏻. Btw I think all these ppl this season of the Ultimatum should just break up. None of these ppl sound like they should be in a relationship/ dating each other.

[@MystiqMiu]

28:30 "Why do men never do right till they think you bout to leave??" perioddd, the audacity to wait until the 11th hour to Care 😤😤😤

[@cpkgrownup9496]

My cousin married herself. She’s had at least five or six anniversaries at this point. She’s not closed off from having a relationship with another person but she’s been happy in her single person marriage

[@AttonBrown]

😂

[@hanatirk4375]

​@@AttonBrownwhy so funny??

[@AttonBrown]

@@hanatirk4375 her cousin married herself lol

[@cjmilliam8275]

I am loving when you talk about dating shows it’s so good

[@Jalisialuxe]

This season made me think of one thing “desperationnn” attachment and comfort can be something lethal. The only relationship that seemed like it made sense was ryann and her partner. But then again idk cause the momma seemed very over it lol

[@madhatternine7382]

naaah r u kidding, i JUST bought a bottle of wine??? get the pillows and the ikea bear ready and LETS GOOO

[@raelynnstraws1908]

Something I find endearing is remembering the first video that introduced me to a KZbinr, and your first ultimate video was how I found you! And now I’m here every week for more debauchery

[@bryansl0587]

Look at our Mama Biscuit, doing the Lord's work by being our buffer of protection! Bless you because I just want the summart, not to watch 😂

[@GrannyReplica]

I know this isn't necessarily representative of how a normal marriage starts, and in a way it is, but I have no idea how people manage to get married. And that question whether you would marry yourself, it f*cked me up a bit. But yeah, it's an interesting way to trigger self-reflection.

[@kill4551]

the way i feel about the youtubers I follow being 'late' with a video is that I get a surprise video to watch on another day. so don't stress too much.