Neuvillette Might Be Impossible To Powercreep | Meta Analysis

[@TheGenshinScientist]

Gave up on the editing after 10 seconds. Also, happy new year!!! Business Mail: [e-mail] Twitter: twitter.com/GenshinTgs Discord Link: discord.gg/2PuwsPMV3V

[@William_111]

The only part missing in this video, is how as a dps he can sustain dmg by himself. Neuvillette is the only character that can heal himself back to full health without losing dps or having to switch to another character.

[@Tnscla]

He also can use the MH set without Furina, freeing you to use her in other teams. Im actually considering getting Childe next time he comes back just to use him instead of Furina in Nuev teams lol.

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

No??? Rizzley can do that at some cons, Gaming will be able to do it too, and a bunch of future characters. It's just a matter of when rather than of if

[@twistaaahh4787]

Heres the thing Wrio actually cant self sustain at c0, infact he needs a healer to be played at c0 And ga ming has gameplay issues with his plunges pushing enemies back Either waiy, neuvilette just makes their self healing look abysmal

[@Raygetto]

Not only that, even his blue balls mechanic for CA can be ignored simply by holding CA. He doesn’t suffer nearly as much from interruption to his rotation or missing skills/ energy.

[@Antony_o_goat]

​@@impostorsyndrome1350 No, Wriothesley loses more life than he recovers, he has to lose 40% of his life and the loaded one only recovers 30% so at some point he will run out of life if you don't take a healer

[@cloudweaving]

honestly from a lore perspective, i'm glad he's as op as he is and i'm glad he will have a lot of longevity because he's canonically one of, if not, THE most powerful beings in the world of teyvat

[@hirone5337]

Yea not counting Celestia he s absolutely the strongest at this point

[@TheGwilwileth]

Completely agree…

[@aurelia2132]

Completely agree! I'm so glad he lives up to his lore.

[@Antony_o_goat]

Yes, I couldn't take it anymore that the best dps are weak in the lore, literally only Alhaitham was a strong top tier dps in the lore

[@hirone5337]

@@Antony_o_goat I hope that CR makes Xiao OP.. because I love him and I love how strong he is in Lore …

[@maevethefox5912]

My friend got c0r1 Neuvillette and just shot from 28 to 36 stars in a couple weeks, it's insane. I used to have to help him clear domains and now he's lightyears beyond me in clear time just from one dude.

[@kingdoom5022]

you can pretty much easily 36 star abyss with almost any 5 star DPS at C0R1 , not neuvellite exclusive thing

[@Sambroke]

Genshin players are so shit they need to completely break an already easy game

[@maevethefox5912]

@@kingdoom5022 Just new. Was maining Ayaka before, Neuvillette was just such a bonkers increase in damage despite have trash artifacts and not a ton of experience

[@cynicalmandate]

Not really. He has a more powerful character than you...but you have more skill.

[@Hencid]

@@kingdoom5022 no other dps in the game outside of neuvillette can hard carry a team on his own and with bad artifact in a couple of weeks, stop the cap 🧢 you know full well that even a juiced up c3 raiden can't accomplish that

[@owlofficial765]

His charged attack is literally Ayaka's burst but better. Controllable and almost permanent while just needing 3 hydro reactions to boost damage. Worth to mention that his charged attack has more vertical AoE than Ayaka which pierces anything at the back as well

[@Injineer.gelo02]

Indeed

[@lumiere3295]

I said same thing in Reddit last month and got downvoted to the ground lol

[@owlofficial765]

@@lumiere3295 ayaka stans are the most loyal beings so its expected ig. But if we really compare how they both deal damage its similar despite the differences

[@FerryJoe-lh8ex]

​@@owlofficial765 yes but with Ayaka's burst you can still do further damage through NA , CA and Elemental skill while for Neuvilette , during his CA , he cant really do anything else. But of course at the cost of Ayaka's burst having downtime and its uncontrollably laughable like it goes to another place for no reason

[@owlofficial765]

@@FerryJoe-lh8ex tbf yes she does other things during her burst and Ayaka's burst has faster ticks/hitrate than Neuvi's CA but all of that for her to get her burst only miss or get wasted most often is just... And beside of how she requires like a lot of energy to do her main damage (her and her supports) Neuvi just wants 3 hydro reactions for them to do practically the same range of damage except Neuvi mostly don't suffer from downtime. And he can be played with Permafreeze team as well is just stealing everything from ayaka😭. Well he deserves his gameplay strength as a dragon sovereign tho

[@bryanstrongwind7020]

1 range aoe high dps 2 can heal 3 can use MH set 4 can face tank since he's high hp scaling dps 5 can reposition easily 6 hydro element 7 his signature is too op for him, can solve energy problem 8 c1 has insane interruption resistance, and can use hydro resonance

[@bryanstrongwind7020]

9 can pierce shield

[@Shreyash112]

10 can defeat floating enemies which litrally few does even with more dmg

[@blitzaeri]

11 high uptime - downtime ratio makes him easy as hell to use

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

12 can do insane amounts of single rotation damage to multiple targets with terrible artifact luck and mediocre investment

[@narukahatsu]

13 even non gameplay wise he is peak design

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

The good thing about Neuvillette is he's not just AoE god, he can also be ST boss. He's so versatile you can put him in hyperbloom team, and he cane make the thunder manifestation, or geo wolf lord (or other annoying bosses) a piece of cake.

[@gizdra1128]

Neuvilette has so much range and damage that he is able to pierce the mitachurl's powerful wooden shield. Not many achieve that powerful feat without help or elemental reactions.

[@jemarle32]

In addition, he also gains a LOT of damage with investment at low constellations (C1, C2 or even C3) (although at C6 he becomes a complete monster). His C1 is absolutely crazy (although not necessary) as he becomes a practically inmortal character: I feel safer having Neuvillette on the field than being with Zhongli's shield in another character.

[@Insigniaxhonkai]

c6 is a sovereign dragon incarnate

[@Shreyash112]

Fr

[@hritwikranjan2198]

You should do more of these analyses. I really enjoyed your Dendro Video where you went over how Mihoyo forced a change of how Mihoyo designed something and why they took certain decisions that they did

[@hadjsumagang3694]

Which video is this?

[@migoym6079]

I don’t think Hoyoverse intends to balance dps characters around Neuvilette at all. Neuvi is an outlier because he’s meant to be stronger than an archon lore-wise and they know that. Any future dps character would most likely be balanced around the likes of Hu Tao and Alhaitham

[@CyanideOwl]

Traveler is supposed to be stronger than anyone lorewise. 🤔

[@migoym6079]

@@CyanideOwl Well he’s free tho and Hoyoverse doesn’t want that

[@bored_potato]

​@@migoym6079 except for star rail's MC anyway

[@migoym6079]

@@bored_potato true

[@koteghe7600]

At point of lore we are in, he isn't stronger than archons makes sense he isn't more powerful than them in game​@@CyanideOwl

[@TyLeeEnjoyer]

The worst thing about Neuvillette's strength is that in every other upcoming dps character discussion we're all going to have to suffer a small army of Neuvillette mains telling the rest to "JuSt PuLl NeUVillEtTe XD".

[@LargeBanana]

But they are not wrong.

[@doug3454]

My response will be: "Nah, idc, he's boring to play." (I have him on a currently inactive account)

[@sara_s1737]

Tbh if people in the future will be looking for a strong DPS, obviously Neuvillette is gonna be an easy pick no matter how annoying it gets. With other characters it gets on my nerves but if you're really looking for easy big numbers, there is no lie in saying that Neuvillette is the one.

[@sunnypa7101]

​@@LargeBananaand so it begins

[@Gummie24]

they could just make a fire breathing version of Neuvillette that uses Flamethrower instead of Hydro Pump.

[@butterfer0808]

Jstern's gonna have a field day with this. This is free content for the podcast

[@shura7762]

Bro was strong on everything ( gameplay and story) so I pulled him and became the new main character 😎

[@pauljoseph3081]

Neuv + Zhongli is all you need to clear the current Abyss

[@salmanfarsi7413]

If you get neuviletts c1 you don't even need zhongle

[@papupro2030]

@@salmanfarsi7413you don’t even need c1, i cleared floor 12 relatively easy with c0 solo neuvillette

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

By sacrificing the fun. DPS wise there are teams which deal more dmg but also more squishy and hard to use

[@zoe218]

​@@i_wont_touch_grass8917fun is subjective. I happen to have most of the DPS in the game with their sigs and some c1s and still have more fun playing Neuv teams with his 20+ support options

[@RADZIO895]

Imagine ayaka's ult, but it attacks for a longer part of the rotation and it's easier to set up and it can be aimed and it's a better element.

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

Ayaka hits harder (4422% in 5 secs).Neuvillete's CA is just easy to use and hit the opponent while Ayaka hits harder but it's also much harder to hit the opponents and its over if you miss it But Ayaka's burst has a much higher dmg scaling

[@moimeme3122]

@@i_wont_touch_grass8917 in facts, not: raw ratios with different scalings don't mean a thing. Ayaka's burst when crown is 19 cuts + bloom 202.14%×19+303%.21 = 4144% total. In neuvillette's case, considering you cast the burst first then you have the time to perform 1.5 CA, it should be (burst damage + 2*waterfall) 40.06%+16.39%×2=73% then you add the CA damage, multiplied by either 1.25 or 1.6 depending on your number of A1 passive stacks: 14,47%×8 ticks×1,5=145% ×1,25 (typically in a furina team) =181% or x1.6 = 232% now make that 1 and half, you get respectively 271%+73%(burst) and 348%+73%, 344% and 421% total. now's the part you missed, what are these ratios scaling on? if i were to take only base ATK and HP, it would be unfair for ayaka, so let's add their respective weapon+5*flower and feather (the rest of the artifacts depends on build choices and rng, so this comparison would become arbitrary) but even with that, we now have: -ayaka baseATK: 1327 -neuvillette baseHP: 21826 and now you should see the big picture coming in: 1327*4.144=54989 base damage for ayaka 21826*3.44=75081 best case (or worst depending on the pov) or 21826*4.21=91887 for neuvillette. now add the rest of the second CA, and then ANOTHER ONE👆 (sry, i had to) and ayaka can't even compare, in a longer field time situation.

[@lSeKToRl]

This man didn't even mention what DPI quick switch on your gaming mouse allowing Neuvillette to nuke the whole room in a circle.

[@manday2267]

The thing that made Neuvillette even more broken, is because you can get the 3rd Stack at C0; with Furina; because you can infuse Kazuha’s Burst with Element that different than the Hydro Element; from the enemies, or the enemies are the one who effected by it. Which's really broken… Also you can give him Prototype Amber R5; with Furina, Zhongli; with Petra, and Kazuha, without needing a Healer; which's EVEN MORE BROKEN!!!

[@vipsviper7203]

Plzz reply I didn't understand how did he get 3rd stack using furina at c0

[@mickysaif]

happy new year TGS I've been following your content since alhaitham leaks and you ahev always provided high quality content, thank you for the hard work

[@tsuwu5260]

As a non Neuvi haver, I'm happy Genshin is easy enough he is not crucial by any mean. Unless when someone plays ONLY because of him, of course.

[@ShadowhunterGenshin]

His C1-C3 performance is comparable with C6 5 stars (not quite but similar ranges of 110-160k dps with average investment, anecdotal evidence from YShelper), and super c0 F2P friendly with amber being a great weapon, hp% stats are as valuable as crit dmg in lots of situations, making him easier to build than other dps who want more balanced stats with crit, atk and often em. Ayato might be more flexible in more teams, but neuvi’s damage and self-sustaining potential helps a lot with enemies that deal a ton of damage to you, having that 30-40k hp + a 15-20k heal every charged attack for 3 to 4 times per rotation is just so comfortable. Overall a unit worthy of his dragonhood

[@phorealthistime6165]

So which c6 5 stars is he equal to at c1-3? Cuz sheets rnt everything

[@SleepingPajamas]

​​@@phorealthistime6165C6 Xiao, C6 Yae Miko, C6 Raiden Shogun, C6 Alhaitham, C6 Nahida, C6 Hu tao (Tao can be better in single target), C6 Childe, C6 Itto, C6 Tighnari, C6 Lyney, C6 Wriothesley (Wrio can be better in single target) C6 Ganyu, C6 Yelan (Yelan can be better in single target) Just a few that come to mind

[@pepelarrza3877]

​@@phorealthistime6165 Keqing and Diluc 😍😍😍

[@ShadowhunterGenshin]

Saw some yshelper posts from hoyolab, obvs it's very build dependant, esp when it comes to hypercarries since they deal like 95% of team dmg, but anyway, saw a c6r1 yelan 130k, xiao c6r1 140k, 160k scara c6r1 (w/c6 faruzan), 160k ayaka c6r1 (without c6 shenhe), another more well built scara c6r5 with c6 faruzan pushed 200k, and this c0 or c1 hutao I saw had nearly 200k with c3 furina. (If not specially mentioned, characters have their typical best hypercarry teams on standard 20-22s rotations) But you're right, sheets aren't everything, for instance, take those 200ks with a grain of salt, people can artificially increase dps by making the rotation super short, but not actually practically long enough for the next rotation (e.g. 16s rotation with hutao and yelan, but yelan cooldown is 18s, and a realistic rotation with errors is around 20s, so 160k in 20s can be pushed to 200k in 16s) My c2r1 neuvi with furina c1 kazu and Charlotte does 125k in like a 25s or smth rotation, saw some other c0 and c1 neuvis hitting 100k to 120k with similar teams, but also saw a melt team with xiangling doing 160k with c0 or c1 neuvi, so imma go test and see if that's actually the case, if so, that makes his c1 nearly on par with c6 meta carries Note: all numbers are damage per second, once again, very build dependant, hard to compare teams if investment into carries isn't relatively equal.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@ShadowhunterGenshin hutao doing 200k + dps is very possible at high investments like C1R1 Homa Hutao C2R1 Freedom Sworn Kazuha C2R1 Elegy Yelan C6R1 Mistsplitter Bennett She can do 200k per CA x11 + 500k burst and 900k total NA dmg thats already 3.6M dmg and yelan can also do 500k in 1 rotation so thats 4.1M in 19s rot since yelan cd is only 18s 4.1M ÷ 19s = 215k dps

[@vladdyru]

I hope that the future abyss cycles wouldn't require Neuvillette's power level to fully clear them. Most gachas tend to implement this scummy content powercreep practice eventually, and seeing the constant HP pool increase, I'm really not so sure about Genshin not following it.

[@kinkane1976]

As TGS mentioned, his dmg isn’t powercreeping the current dmg ceiling. It isn’t a numeric powercreep that would harm the game’s health like in HI3 or HSR to an extent, but the way they designed his kit is much more stacked in terms of utilities than other dps.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

his dmg isnt peak dps its still alhaitham and hutao

[@santi3256]

@@kinkane1976 in terms of damage its not a powercreep. But in terms of AOE he is a complete powercreep, he can hit everything at the same time, he has litterally half abyss floor range 360° without damage reduction for hitting multiple enemies. And he have the best AOE in the game while also being almost equal to the best teams in the game

[@kaltsit4539]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz You are actually delusional if you think hu tao and alhaitham is a peak dps, Hu tao and alhaitham is FAR from peak dps compared to neuvilette especially hu tao like my god c0 hu tao is so clunky and bad against an actual opponent that isn't a dummy bullet sponge that just stands there and do nothing except stare at you for 10 seconds and then attack a lil bit

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@kaltsit4539 here's calcs you noobs Dps calcs: Neuvillette Furina Kazuha Charlotte (Insta-CA-Animation-Cancel tech - 3 Draconic Stacks) : 48k per hit x 24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1252k + 400k furina 1652k dpr ÷ 20s rot = ( 82k dps ) Neuvilette Fufina Kazuha Charlotte( 2 Draconic Stacks ) >Neuv CA 40k x24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1060k + 400k = 1460k ÷ 20s rot ( 73k dps ) Hutao Xingqiu Kazuha Bennett - (8N2C) combo : 120k per CA x8 + 200k burst + 264k total NA dmg + 25k blood blossom dmg = 1449k + 400k xinqiu total dmg = 1849 ÷ 20s rot ( 92k dps ) Alhaitham Nahida Furina Kuki : Alhaitham 48k(spread) + 27k(no spread) rainswords x 3 x 3 = 675k + 122k total burst + 50k elem skill + 25k plunge + 20k x 5 NA(spread) + 3k x20 NA(no spread) = 1032k + furina 270k total + nahida 180k + kuki 34k x13 hyperblooms = 442k > 1032k + 270k + 180k + 442k = 1924k dpr ÷ 20s rot ( 96k dps ) all r5 - 4 star weaps c0 - 5 star chars c6 - 4 star chars

[@giorgostrim3709]

Happy new year dude! ( Its not yet the new year but its coming soon) I enjoy your theorycrafting and i always watch your videos before i make a decision to pull or not. I am sad i lost my 50/50 on Neuvi but i am getting him next time he reruns. It makes sense Neuvilette is almost as strong as an archon since he is the water dragon.

[@TheGenshinScientist]

Happy new year!

[@phuongtruongtran6219]

Well, same.

[@MuttMeriShart56]

>almost as strong as an archon not almost as strong, but as strong if not much stronger

[@manday2267]

Releasing them characters like Furina, and Neuvillette; without releasing the 13 Floor of the Abyss; is a crime.

[@tsuwu5260]

It is instead a crime to release harder contents. Remember, as greedy as people claim Hoyo - specially Genshin devs - to be, the targeted audiences have always been casual who might not pull for everyone. Genshin is not Star Rail where contents get increasingly harder to clear.

[@RafidW9]

I don't say this lightly, but in my 3 years of playing I've never seen a C0 dps character more busted than Neuvi. He's just wild, and at C1R1 he's like any other C6 5 star level of broken.

[@cmcguire7901]

Yeah I have C1 with Sac Jade and a relatively good MH set (150 ER, 95-206 crit ratio) and at that point I don't have to invest anything more into his artifacts to easily clear the abyss, so I can always use him as a "crutch" while I build other characters that are harder to get to the level of easily clearing abyss. Like Navia has been way more fun to play but her artifact domain has been giving me trash so I don't think she'll be abyss ready for at least another month.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

alhaitham is a better dps than him at c0 and f2p investment lol

[@Coppersulfate81]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzMore dps ≠ better dps. Alhaitham has energy issues and needs perfect timing + doesnt have great aoe. Neuvillette has acces to his damage almost 100% of the time, hes a true self sustainer. He also deals with multiple enemies at the same time

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@Coppersulfate81 alhaitham energy issues?? he generates 6 particles himself, his NA and CA also generate energy every 3-4 hits and he attacks very fast like 20+ NA in a rotation, i get my burst back with 109% er and thatd without needing fav weaps

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@Coppersulfate81 and aoe wise its wider than neuv and had enough length to make it be one of the best wave clear neuv aoe isnt even that good unless you do the 16k dpi mouse bug and neuv without his balls have a charge up time of 4s just to be able to do dmg ,

[@ghassanehc]

The thing that I find hilarious with neuvi is although he is still incredible at a baseline with f2p investment, he gains so much more with vertical investment since his weapon and cons( early ones especially) and even Furina’s cons are a significant upgrade for him and even for the whole team if we talk about furina

[@nikumilotic1333]

Neviwet is not a hypercarry - zajeff 2023

[@kaikaikai4477]

Neuvillette is substantially normal - jstern25 2023

[@nikumilotic1333]

Neviwet works around his ability to apply hydro - zajeff 2023

[@vipsviper7203]

He is with furina

[@kingdoom5022]

Tomorrow abyss is gonna be very bad for neuvellite but of course super easy for tartagila the best hydro DPS

[@blaze8308]

You mean super easy for Xingling 😂

[@thornszk]

Poor sweet summer Childe, always getting discredited

[@jcceno4273]

​@@blaze8308it's 2024, do casuals still think this

[@blaze8308]

@@jcceno4273 Childe's best and only competitive meta team is with Xingling. She is the one who does most of the dmg for average player and in case of Hydro Tulpa in the first half of the current abyss Childe can't do any dmg to that. That's the only thing in the current abyss that Neuvillette can't delete. Saying that the current abyss is going to be very bad for Neuvillette and super easy for Tartaglia is pure bullshit as both are hydro characters. I used Navia in the 1st half and Neuvillette in the 2nd half and got 36 stars in the first try.

[@jcceno4273]

@@blaze8308 true international Is childe's best team but xl is not carrying Childe, if anything Childe is the one abusing xl coz without him, no one can outmatch xl's fast pyro.

[@ganyumaindayone1112]

meanwhile they are like "oh no cloud retainer can heal a bit, we must avoid powercreep, quick nerf her to the ground so she is a side grade or worse jean"

[@mordakie3805]

It sucks but neuvilette messed up future 5 stars

[@PessiPenaldoHomoeroticism]

​​​@@mordakie3805 not really. Hoyo has no problem releasing future 5stars far worse than previous ones. Bruh, they make 5stars worse than their 1.0 4stars lmao

[@goddamnarshia]

They only seem to worry about balance when releasing a female character, 5 star or otherwise. Gaming in the same patch as cloud retainer is looking better than her even though he's a 4 star.

[@lastorderx20001]

​@@goddamnarshiaand it turns out that you were wrong

[@goddamnarshia]

@@lastorderx20001 this was before the particle buff mate. They also removed her anti cc on release and made it a sucrose E style mini grouping. But funny you should miss the entire point of the comment being them only worrying about balance when its a female character and laser focusing on CR being above average instead of just average when chiori is in the beta right fucking now

[@sara_s1737]

I knew he would be special but I thought in-the-story special, not that he would break the game and my account lol He was and still is the only C0R1 character I ever solo 36* Abyss with. There are other characters that have high power level, but Neuvillette created a whole new category and whoever says something else is lying to themselves - putting him in the same tier as some broken supports like Nahida and Furina is exactly what I mean by that. I don't see him being powercreeped anytime soon. Maybe they will make some characters in the future to match his power level, but that's about it imo.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

To powercreep him is to throw so much BS on our way that he needs a Shield.

[@blaze8308]

Glad that I got his C0 R1. 😌 82k per CA tick at 3 stacks in Neuvillette, Furina, Jean, AP Zhongli team is really broken. Now I need his C1 to do those numbers consistently

[@SainInaban]

how can u get 3 stack when you put furina in the team?

[@ym7402]

​@@SainInabanI think its when you make a reaction against a creature that already has an element on them, like a pyro slime and so

[@ryuzae2284]

C1 makes him got free stack when change him to onfield so u only need 2 others element to have fully stack his passive​@@SainInaban

[@blaze8308]

​I just applied hydro on Masanori and tanked an electro infused atk using Jean from Masanori and self swirled using her burst. This way I swirled both Hydro and Electro and got the third stack. You can also get 3 stacks in the current abyss floor 12 first half as it has Pyro Lectors. Getting 3 stacks on C0 Neuvillette using double hydro is hard but not impossible. @@SainInaban

[@SainInaban]

@@ym7402 ah ic well still its not consistent and on ur will dependent

[@samibell888]

I think the Iudex is one of the characters that is powerful in both the lore and the gameplay. off topic: you dropping the F bomb is the hottest thing Ive seen today ...acckkkk, happy holidays

[@theRaika]

His Damage output isn't the Power creep, it's that he can self sustain while doing that damage. I think they should have kept his damage output but nerfed his self healing, make it so that his damage comes at a greater cost. They did that balance well with Hu Tao and even Wriostheley, but not for Neuvillette.

[@Avalions]

Most probably it was intentional from hoyo I think, in order to set a new standard for dps going forward. They did the same thing when hu tao came out and was able to self sustain with just a zhongli on her team making the likes of diluc who was the best dps back then obsolete, so not really a surprise there. I Do have to agree with you though, in balancing terms bro is busted.

[@boringfactor8792]

Nah I think it's specifically how busted his aoe is

[@keku52]

Not only that, but how the fuck did they thought that the best aoe DPS going on par with single target DPS is a good idea? mind boggling balancing decision

[@goddamnarshia]

​@@keku52had to sell this boring gary stu somehow

[@ralphgnl3232]

he called dragon sovereign for nothing.

[@whynotyou-k9x]

Got a c6r1. He was my first c6 character and i pull for him just becouse of his lore :) There is no point in talking about its power, there is simply no content for it. But the saddest thing is that after him, I no longer see any sense in any с6. With the same investments, they will still be worse.

[@evewhoo]

I'm still looking to C6 Klee and Kazuha even though I have Neuv C6R1, and I have Cyno and Yae both at C6. Actually, depending on how her kit turns out, I wouldn't mind Clorinde cons either

[@rendition55]

Maybe all dragon Sovereigns (with their restored authorities) are going to be S tier carries?

[@kuaithe]

we dont even know that they will be playable. I think the rest are reborn as vishap dragons

[@rendition55]

@betatrix2545 Well, cloud retainer is becoming randomly playable as a human. And all the lore just adds to more and more dragons in the future. I just think it's fun to speculate.

[@Shiiwata]

​@@kuaithe i'm pretty sure they will be playable. we only have 2 archons left, so they need a new thing to sell to the players, and what is better than the sovereigns? natlan is already said to be the region of dragons, so i wouldn't be surprised if we meet the pyro sovereign next. neuvillette was reborn in a human appearance, but nothing in the game says sovereigns can't take on a human shape on their own if they wish so.

[@L17_8]

To be completely honest, i domt think Neuvillette is a very good addition to this game. Genshin is already pretty easy as it is, so much so that people constantly clear the abyss with characters that arent even considered meta. The reason i say Neuvillette isnt a good addition is because he makes a game which is already so easy now even easier. Once you reach a certain AR and have completed the quests , the game is really boring. Theres really not that much else to do at all but the Daily's and then leave. One of the very few ways left to entertain yourself with this game is by doing the spiral abyss. But Neuvillette makes the abyss so easy that it reaches a point where its not even fun anymore. I know initially there's a thrill about using him seeing how easy he makes everything however over time it'll start to be clear how boring he makes the abyss because its too easy. Things are more fun when there's a challenge but Neuvillette removes the challenge and subsequently takes the fun out of it. And i know a lot of people are gonna disagree because they think hes fun to use and thats fine. Im not saying that he is boring, im saying that what he does to this game is boring. Theres a difference. Not everything is about meta. Genshin is already pretty boring as is when youve finished all the quests so having a character making things so easy to a point it becomes even more boring was not something this game needed. Thats just my opinion anyway

[@dendenmushi9714]

Neuvillette despite being such an overpowered character isn't the 1st instance of such bullshit. The number 1 offender is Nilou. You can literally pull for her give her free units (barbara-collei-dmc) without even farming shit and watch her clear Floor 12 of abyss like how? This the hardest content in the game. How did Hoyo decide to create an unit that shit on that content with 0 investment? I've seen people complain about Star Rail difficulty on twitter and comparing to Genshin and how even badly played 4* could clear. I realized how frickin shit was Genshin's endgame that this was possible and how frickin shit characters like Nilou, Lyney, Neuv and reaction like Hyperbloom exists in a game that easy and help you clear the frickin endgame without breaking a sweat. Frickin modern Pokemon is better and harder.

[@TroubleisHere]

Not everyone just wants to do the dailies and leave , sure genshin content can be cleared with 4 stars everyone knows that, but why do you think dolphins and whales spend so much money in this game ? Certainly not because is boring to them , we all just have different goals in the game

[@prime1773]

3:15 I like your Genshin fanart. It looks great

[@sanda888]

Neuvillette is so satysfying to play. I find him to be the best dps character they've released for the last 2 years. No regrets of giving him C1R1 and C2 Furina.

[@shaydean713]

I was thinking also about the value of supports that can pivot to be on fielders such as Sucrose and Nahida, and their effect on the necessity of having carries on the account and how powerful a carry needs to be worth the upgrade when you look at long term meta and I think Neuvillete maybe the only carry that clearly meets this criteria his only real weakness is he can't normal attack and this weakness maybe become painful if characters like the Hydro, Duo and Beidou, come out in other elements, Say Pyro Xinqui Came out Neuvillete can be dragged back down to earth. Natlan I believe will release characters that have anti-synergy with Neuvillete

[@lmntsgames3848]

I keep saying the same since I'm a Neuvillette player.. the guy is busted af.. if I have a strong second team I can easily 36 stars abyss.. but only my Neuvillette and his team has a proper build.. not even maximum potential yet but I can breeze through his phase easily.. only my second team is struggling right now which is Kuki hyperbloom.. still building Kuki's team but Kuki herself is already built but it seems like her damage alone is still struggling so I'm building her other team members to have higher team dps..

[@mohammedalamer4456]

If you have Nahida Kuki Shinobu team should be stronger (But should build Nahida with crit supstats you can build Kuki Shinobu with Dendro and Nahida with Gilded dreams)

[@moodiiperson7474]

I'm so proud I got both him and his weapon on his original banner, and will be trying to get C6 on his rerun. Neuvillette is not only busted, but he's just a beautiful character in general.

[@Antony_o_goat]

I thought it would be impossible for a main dps to be better than Alhaitham on c0, I was wrong lol First Dan Heng, now Neuvillette, mihoyo really loves dragons

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

dps wise? neuv is still weaker than alhaitham and even hutao

[@voii0777]

​@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzCope lmao

[@KIDASU]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz got any calc or at least video on that...?😅

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@KIDASU Dps calcs: Neuvillette Furina Kazuha Charlotte (Insta-CA-Animation-Cancel tech - 3 Draconic Stacks) : 48k per hit x 24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1252k + 400k furina 1652k dpr ÷ 20s rot = ( 82k dps ) Neuvilette Fufina Kazuha Charlotte( 2 Draconic Stacks ) >Neuv CA 40k x24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1060k + 400k = 1460k ÷ 20s rot ( 73k dps ) Hutao Xingqiu Kazuha Bennett - (8N2C) combo : 120k per CA x8 + 200k burst + 264k total NA dmg + 25k blood blossom dmg = 1449k + 400k xinqiu total dmg = 1849 ÷ 20s rot ( 92k dps ) Alhaitham Nahida Furina Kuki : Alhaitham 48k(spread) + 27k(no spread) rainswords x 3 x 3 = 675k + 122k total burst + 50k elem skill + 25k plunge + 20k x 5 NA(spread) + 3k x20 NA(no spread) = 1032k + furina 270k total + nahida 180k + kuki 34k x13 hyperblooms = 442k > 1032k + 270k + 180k + 442k = 1924k dpr ÷ 20s rot ( 96k dps ) all r5 - 4 star weaps c0 - 5 star chars c6 - 4 star chars

[@hazard1one]

for e0 dan heng is not the best DPS lol

[@serulu3490]

There is however the fact that he is a hydro dps, the worst element for shield breaking and the only element that does nothing against 3 different type of shields that are cryo, hydro and some electro shields And most of his good teams are focused only on one type of dmg, hydro. Which means not only hydro immune enemies counter him, but also hydro resistant enemies massively reduce his team capabilities, you will see a team like international or hu tao do not really get countered by pyro resistant enemies like the crab boss because half of their dmg is from the other element so they are still played but no one plays ayaka or wanderer against icewind suite The next region natlan, will be focused around pyro archon and pyro carries, and just like how they spammed pyro shields for 4 abysses in a row, they will probably spam cryo shields in there as well. Coincidentally the only fontaine enemy that isn't evolved into boss currently is the cryo sea hare, but it might get introduced and be in abyss after neuvillette's rerun in around 4.7 Basically yes he is one of the strongest if not the strongest character currently but they could still just release enemies that continously counters him in the future, in the end, hoyo designs the meta and no character is truly hard for them to powercreep

[@I_Don_Like_]

But use hydro dps in 2nd half then? It's not like they added pyro shield enemies on both halves tho. Ppl rlly fixate on one half when they forget another half also exists. U r still using dendro in 2nd half. They are already adding hydro immune enemies on one half. Same thing can be said for natlan too. Mid natlan they will start adding pyro immune enemies. Also one thing I believe is that they are not adding same immune elemt in both halves. Iirc, they never added cryo immune enemies both halves to sell dendro characters. Edit: We don't know what hoyo will do. But looking back at trends, they are not gonna add hydro immune enemies on both halves.

[@serulu3490]

@@I_Don_Like_ they can just add a hydro immune/resistant/shield on one side and a cryo/electro shield on the other, or a cryo shield on one side and an electro shield on the other side, there are a lot of different ways you can do this

[@I_Don_Like_]

@@serulu3490 Then use other teammates to break those shields. Just like during ayaka era, ppl used kokomi to break those pyro shields. It would be nice if they added a pyro teamwide healer for furina. But even without that just use very high ER xiangling. Vapevillette is a very popular team in speedruns. I'm very hopeful they'll add a good pyro off fielder in natlan and it may just be pyro archon.

[@LargeBanana]

I have a friend that started playing in his banner. Got him as his first dps and felt like every other character is trash. He cannot get excited for any other dps now lol.

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

Except Childe, Lyney, Hu Tao, Ayaka, Navia and Alhaitham. Damagewise they are on par with Neuvi, or even more. Neuvillete's damage isn't powercreep, it's that he can self sustaine while doing damage and easy to use

[@ChikyuuKun]

@@i_wont_touch_grass8917 I mean sure, but what makes Neuvillette's damage so disgustingly busted is that his damage is continuous and he's like Yelan but on steroids (Even though Yelan has higher HP to damage scaling) with Furina, he just reached a new level of ridiculousness in terms of damage and sustain. If they Pyro archon or sovereign has a better pyro application then he'd be more busted with Vape.

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

@@ChikyuuKun for starters you are right but I would like to write it again that he is so popular not because of his high damage, it's because of his sustaining capabilities and capability to give his 100% without an elaborate setup. While Childe and Lyney can do higher damage in less time but the do 1 small mistake and you need to do the setup again. And we already have a strong Pyro applicator and I.e. Xiangling. Neuvillete only applies hydro thrice, you can check his icd so whether you use Xiangling or a really really strong Pyro applicator, the result will be the same

[@j4nk3n]

Its kind of insane how much crit damage you can have on neuv and still have enough crit rate to make a hu tao main jealous 😅

[@userneverexisted]

Hu tao is still better and more flexible then neuvillette

[@kuaithe]

@@userneverexisted💀

[@shkosarhad3991]

​@@userneverexistedlol no and hu tao is borng

[@boringfactor8792]

@@shkosarhad3991 neuv is charge attack and stare at enemies, that's infinitely more boring than hu tao

[@shkosarhad3991]

@@boringfactor8792 ok i admit that he gets boring if you use him a lot but in term of flexibility i have to say nuvy is better

[@lancehalzen]

Happy New Year, everyone! May your pulls be blessed this year.

[@flare2874]

Neuvillette is the main reason I can finally 36 stars abyss. All my others DPS are decent but man is just main character OP broken 😂 I was saving for Furina until he debuted and his gameplay made me pulled for him. Now C0R1 triple crowned (the only character with this privilege in my roster), aiming for C6 ❤ Happy New Year everyone! Hope you win all 50/50s and your year be blessed with abundance of joy 🎉🎉🎉

[@sirdanph445]

The only way they can powercreep this guy is to release a new element which wouldn't happen until Khaenriah.

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

Neuvillete's damage isn't powercreep, it's that he can self sustaine while doing damage and easy to use

[@ImagineCats9339]

I don't think neuvillette is that good , he can't even kill hydro slimes

[@baplox8323]

Technically he could with the clam set

[@ImagineCats9339]

@@baplox8323 oh no , there's no stopping him now

[@lafeechloe6998]

@@ImagineCats9339even with skyward atlas or the dragonspine catalyst

[@universalgamer8010]

Im glad I called how powerful he would be. People called me crazy. I knew the moment he was teased it depended on how often he attacks, and if it was a ramp up or set amount. I love him to death, but he is too powerful.

[@icekyuu]

His power is high but I think it's still ok. It's how easy it is to achieve that power that should have been reined in.

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

"Neuvi is impossible to powercreep", and then they release more and more hydro immune/resistant enemies (Hydro Tulpa and the new 4.4 boss aware)

[@kaikaikai4477]

Just take him in the other half

[@sara_s1737]

To me, that's not powercreep. That's like saying Nahida is bad because they made dendro-immune enemies. Let's say they put the Hydro Tulpa in the Abyss - just put Neuvillette (or any hydro damage dealer) on the other side. Doesn't change the fact Neuvillette is busted. To me, powercreep is comparing someone like Childe and Ayato to Neuvillette (and I have all 3 of them build as main DPS and seeing the difference in damage - THAT is definitely powercreep)

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

@@sara_s1737 Yes, but to nerf him, they can start releasing enemies, that Neuvillette is not that good at dealing with. Similar how with Ayaka they released bosses and you can't freeze

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

@@kaikaikai4477 What if both hafs have those enemies?

[@kaikaikai4477]

@@impostorsyndrome1350 well, they don’t. Unless they put hydro immune enemies to the both sides, it’s fine. And even if the enemy is hydro resistant, doesn’t really matter. Remember that Alhaitham easily beats chicken, even though it has high resistance to dendro

[@Kenruli]

I think lorewise Neuvillette being super powerful is great thing, Of course there will be more powerful characters most likely in the future.

[@nabilanawrinnijhum]

I went from 33 staring the abyss to 36 stars thanks to this man

[@seagl4ss]

same and i don’t even have him optimally built yet

[@boringfactor8792]

He was made for people with skill issue, I can appreciate now everybody being able to get the extra primos

[@LazyPillowCase]

My friend got nuvi and after that doing her abyss was just miles easier than it was before Like i could 36 star it no problem now

[@Tiwarie]

Happy new year! This is my video in 2024 hehe. Thanks for your hard work Mr.TGS, always looking forward to your contents 🎉

[@sansexe6999]

Happy New Year TGS! Banger vid as usual, hope you have another successful year ahead!!

[@SuperShinigami3]

They’ll probably add more flying and damage in specific areas type of enemies

[@xanthee_imr]

Great analysis, also based for showing the Furina-Kazuha-Zhongli team (people think you should necessarily bring a healer to make a Neuvi-Furina teams worth it but it’s not true) when talking about potential future upgrades, specifically looking at Zhongli. I kinda hoped that upgrade could be Navia but honestly the timings on the uptime of the various buffs are already so tight for maximum efficiency that you don’t have that much time to go back to Navia’s skill in the middle of your rotation and refreshing the Petra uptime isn’t enough to justify it, but honestly I think this is fair, Neuvillette’s consistency and flexibility is truly scary already to the point that I’m wondering how furthest can they go in the future with other carries? I’m not even sure you can stop him with Tulpa: just play hyperbloom 😂 he would still be great because he’s tanky, doesn’t want Bennett, can regenerate his health in an instant… of course it wouldn’t be ideal but Tulpa will only be in one chamber, you would then have Neuvillette in the other two smashing everything again. He’s truly a beast

[@chihaotran1568]

Well only if you have C2 Furina to max out the stacks easily through only Neuvi heal If your Furina is C0 that is a DPS loss because you can't max stack consistently

[@elinamanansi5508]

just get c1 neuvilette bruh

[@xanthee_imr]

@@chihaotran1568 that’s false. It’s as good as other teams with healers, Neuvillette can get stacks and max them on his own (more slowly of course) and you compensate for the lack of a healer with other assets that provide powerful buffs like Kazuha himself and Zhongli with Petra and his res shred. It’s very powerful. A healer only gives you stacks faster, you can get similar power by building stacks slower and getting other benefits, Neuvillette allows that

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

change zhongli to fischl, youll get better dmg, zhongli is a waste of slot there kazuha already shreds resistances

[@chihaotran1568]

@@xanthee_imr Lol getting full Furina buff at the start of Neuvilette rotation is better 🥱 that's a fact C0 Furina without full Teame heal getting full stacks only at the end of the rotation That's why Neuvi, Furina, Kazuha, Baizhu is the top team

[@wayforglory945]

While I'd think that this is the peak of Hydro (which likely won't be) every time a character came out and was on the forefront of the pack was then matched-surpassed in the next region. The worst way they can balance Neuvilette would be to give him the Zhongli Shield treatment, and make enemies that specifically play around his strength (imagine enemies that can chase and easily stagger in an Aoe, or high hp bosses that build up resistances based on the highest elemental damage taken in order to force different elements dps's in the team) or have them be immune to hydro (Natlan's heat that drastically lowers the efficacy of Hydro and Snehznaya getting healed by Hydro). Worst way, since it basically powercreeps all Hydro characters in general. The best way would be to just gradually release stronger base and ceiling dps's, and release supports for older characters while always minding to not benefit Neuvilette (which is what I think they will do and pretty much already done). As it is now, Neuvilette is overtuned, his numbers were made big just in fear of being too weak for the "first" Sovereign (if others do come out, they might balance them around Neuvilette, which would be cool but horrifying for balance). His Aoe won't mean much if the damage bar gets higher as it has been, especially if the newer dps characters will be made to be appealing to pull. He won't be powercrept in Hydro, but he basically doomed Hydro Dps characters.

[@I_Don_Like_]

1. For zhongli shield treatment, idk. They only added those husks as counter. Usage rate is not the perfect meteic but ppl still use zhongli tho and he's still high on chart. 2. Ruin variants of sumeru already exists that makes itself resistant based on which element deal more dmg. 3. They are not going to add hydro immune enemies in both halves lmao. Did they ever add cryo immune enemies in both halves to sell dendro? NO. This hydro era is still using dendro in 2nd half. If we go by your words, dendro would've fallen off meta mid sumeru. Also they'll also add pyro immune enemies in mid natlan too just they're doing in fontaine. If we think about hp lock, bond of life exists. 4.1 abyss had those.

[@wayforglory945]

@@I_Don_Like_ for 1. it's an example, make an enemy that is pretty obviously built around a mechanic (in this case shielding), another example would be high hp enemies that need their shield broken by heavy attacks (claymore, physical, Geo, overload) to be damaged, kinda like the Geo Slimes but more annoying since you can't directly damage them, as far as I know Neuvilette can't break those type of shields. 2. Then even better if they released stronger versions of them or a boss version of them, I've never even noticed that they built up resistances, as they died too quickly. 3. Ofc they shouldn't release more hydro immune enemies, as I said it would be the worst way to handle the problem they made. The only problems with dealing with Neuvilette is that his kit revolves around firing a beam that does continuous damage and can be moved freely to achieve high Aoe, meaning that his ST is good but his AoE is by far better. If they up the ante for DPSs they will need to increase the others Dps in a way that doesn't benefit Neuvilette

[@vipsviper7203]

​@@wayforglory945bro It's been like 9 months since neuvillate release but still he is the best dps right now Genshin won't think that much about a character He is strong lore wise and also gameplay wise In discussion of future dps they will be surely compared to neuvillate

[@bored_potato]

A kit befitting of the Hydro Dragon Sovereign

[@petermartin6522]

Yep. Ik this. This why I went hard pity to get him lol

[@kaikaikai4477]

Finally someone said it. I am so tired of some TC saying "Neuv is pretty good/good". Pretty good is insult for him lol

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

hes a god for skill issued players, otherwise hes just good, he peaks at 73k dps, hutao and alhaitham both have 90k+ dps all in 4 star weaps

[@TroubleisHere]

​@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzjust stop, you ain't convincing anyone that hutao is better. She is not 😂

[@Injineer.gelo02]

Guilty

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@TroubleisHere here's calcs bozo Dps calcs: Neuvillette Furina Kazuha Charlotte (Insta-CA-Animation-Cancel tech - 3 Draconic Stacks) : 48k per hit x 24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1252k + 400k furina 1652k dpr ÷ 20s rot = ( 82k dps ) Neuvilette Fufina Kazuha Charlotte( 2 Draconic Stacks ) >Neuv CA 40k x24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1060k + 400k = 1460k ÷ 20s rot ( 73k dps ) Hutao Xingqiu Kazuha Bennett - (8N2C) combo : 120k per CA x8 + 200k burst + 264k total NA dmg + 25k blood blossom dmg = 1449k + 400k xinqiu total dmg = 1849 ÷ 20s rot ( 92k dps ) Alhaitham Nahida Furina Kuki : Alhaitham 48k(spread) + 27k(no spread) rainswords x 3 x 3 = 675k + 122k total burst + 50k elem skill + 25k plunge + 20k x 5 NA(spread) + 3k x20 NA(no spread) = 1032k + furina 270k total + nahida 180k + kuki 34k x13 hyperblooms = 442k > 1032k + 270k + 180k + 442k = 1924k dpr ÷ 20s rot ( 96k dps ) all r5 - 4 star weaps c0 - 5 star chars c6 - 4 star chars

[@oyfum2638]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzu always calc assuming 100% crit rate, and bcz Neuv’s signature set mh only gives crit rate u don’t factor this in your calcs.

[@mordakie3805]

Brain dead Gameplay is why he is overpowered …there is very little you have to do gameplay wise to make him OP …unfortunately he’s boring to use anywhere besides the abyss

[@KumaBearXV]

Pls use youtube's subtitles if you don't have much time to edit, i like subtitles because i can watch ur videos without disturbing people near me

[@chenchen6150]

The only con Neuvi have are only his ascend mats in mid game content so new player might have to be patience progressing. But once you grind hard and reach Fontaine and can farm his ascend mats plus his bis artifact you can just go hard and don't really worry much future content at that point. He basicaly Arjuna Alter his noble phantasm can be boring but for a beserker ult spam buster he is good for general content.

[@LeoKlies]

Same feeling, like Arjuna Alter his personal DPS is really good on ST and in AoE

[@Droid3455]

Tbf I pulled c3 r1 Raiden because I thought her dmg was going to be unmatched for a long time, then my c1 Neuv with a 4* weapon comes and deals more dmg than her entire team lmao

[@Zero_Li24]

Hutao and Ayaka has sunked real deep. But I'm more surprised at how Tartaglia was able to rise again in ranks.

[@nobrainnogame4320]

Tartaglia took a serious dive the during the last Abyss too despite having a considerably more favorable elemental matchup compared to Hu Tao and Ayaka tho.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

not hutao lol shes still 2nd best st dps only being behind alhaitham qb

[@TerraTheWise]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzThe Alhaitham glazing from you is ungodly. Alhaitham is beaten by tighnari is single target stop the cope 😂

[@maharat5731]

because he can never be powercrept because of how his kit works. u can powecreep his dmg but u can never powercreep his application and synergy with kazuha xiangling bennett core. also in this video, this guy uses a very bad representation of childe international saying his team dps is below average when the website uses average artifact stats. he's comparing that to fully built teams with good artifacts so obviously the dmg will be less because of the trash artifacts.

[@Fam98K]

Happy New Year TGS Neuvillete will forever remain one of the strongest but as for others: I don't think Alhaitham,Ayaka,Hutao will remain the strongest in their elemental categories forever. Capitano,Varka,Alice,Skirk,Dainslief etc etc will be some busted characters in future

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

neuv literally is still weaker than hutao and alhaitham hes overrated in terms of dmg, hes great once he has his sig weap but before that hes just okay alhaitham and hutao both have a dps of 90k+ in c0 4 star weaps neuv is on 70k something

[@Shiiwata]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz i think you should watch the video again

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@Shiiwata dont need to i can do my own math he is 20k dps lower than alhaitham in their best teams even hutao is 15k-20k dps higher than him in st , if you dont have skill issue that is.

[@TroubleisHere]

He said "Nevui is weaker than hutao"💀💀

[@krazyvideos2677]

​@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzdo u even have him?

[@owlofficial765]

A character that could probably par on him is another dragon sovereign

[@adeniyimarvellous8259]

Well I feel he is just enjoying the 4.0 meta the hydro meta, during the 3.0 meta, we thought alhaitham was the say all and be all for a dps, because he was f2p and had a very powerful reaction, but neuvillette came out and it feels like no one cares about alhaitham or even hyperbloom again, like nobody talks about Nahida anymore instead now everyone is calling her overrated, once we enter the pyro meta, I see neuvillette falling in popularity because hoyo just knows how to make a particular patch favour a set of characters, hydro characters are having their time now, let Neuvillette enjoy, by time hoyo brings a character from natlan that just buffs pyro characters to the roof or they bring a character that doesn’t need to build crit to deal high damage then we would know what is up In conclusion, any character can get powercreep by hoyo anytime they feel like, hutao, Ganyu and Ayaka once had a 92% usage rate in the abyss that is the highest any dps has ever reached in abyss usage, now, hutao is just at roughly 30% range, Ayaka interchanging between 25% and 30% and Ganyu doesn’t even exist anymore😂 when they were the top dps it looked like nothing can ever powercreep them Neuvillette can get powercreep at anyday anytime there are a lot of ways to powercreep him Let’s just wait and watch for hoyo to do their magic, we still have pyro patch ahead of us and the cryo patch maybe melt would become meta no one knows let’s watch out for the future, people would soon start saying he is overrated let’s watch genshin players let’s watch

[@kaikaikai4477]

Again, Neuvillette is powerful not just because he deals damage. Ayala, Ganyu, Hu Tao are good-okay carries, but they can't self sustain like Neuv can. They dont have such a huge AOE And who on earth is calling Nahida overrated, there's just no way someone said that 💀

[@shamsielshahar120]

​@@kaikaikai4477let's see what miHoYo will do when Natlan comes but judging their history, there would be that character that will powercreep the previous powercreeping character.

[@I_Don_Like_]

Nobody cares about dendro??? U r literally using dendro in 2nd half. Oh hey, they are adding hydro immune enemies mid fontaine. Same can be said for natlan too. They will add pyro immune mid natlan. Alhaitham, hutao are still going strong. I think neuvi will also join this category. Also fun fact, based on previous trends, they ain't gonna add hydro immune enemies in both halves lmao. In the dendro era, it was dendro and ayaka. If neuvillette/furina didn't exist, I bet ppl will use ayaka or ganyu. They never just stright up powercreeped cryo. It's just that cryo doesn't have good reactions. Ayaka's main problem is that all dmg comes from her burst, if u miss, it's gameover. She also has only one good team and isn't that good against bosses. Hutao is also a 3 year old character and she's getting buffed till this day. They should've also powercreeped hutao when they released ayaka right?

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

alhaitham is still peak dendro and peak f2p dps tho he does more st dmg( 96k dps with 3 star weap ) than even hutao( 92k dps ) , and got great aoe with his and nahida's spreads (50k+ spreads with 3 star weap)

[@adeniyimarvellous8259]

All in all, damage wise, neuvillette didn’t bit any of the top dps out, dps like hutao, Ayaka, alhaitham and even Lyney have high team dps on paper than neuvillette What makes neuvillette so broken is his self sustain, it’s the best in the entire game and this helps him solo the abyss while also having high dps that can compete with other dps He is the best aoe dps beating out childe international and nilou bloom by a margin because of how easy he is too play and setup, And unlike childe international and nilou bloom which fall of significantly in single target, neuvillette deals very high damage in single target tho he is not the best single target carry cus there is hutao, alhaitham hyperbloom, Lyney and some other strong single target dps he stills more than enough single target damage to compete with the top tier carries Neuvillette is also the easiest dps to play in the entire game while having as much damage and aoe to compete with hard to play carries like hutao, Ayaka, Childe etc All in all, Neuvillette is fucking broken, he is the dragon, but he would get powercrept Hutao, Ganyu, alhaitham, Ayaka once had their time as the best dps but they got powercrept by neuvillette, not because he has higher damage than them, he is just easier and much more smooth to play than the others and he can solo the abyss but no dps is saved from powercreep

[@atalkingcat73]

Don't forget his spin to win tech which turns his AOE into a massive circle.

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

Depends on the situation and your skills, if you have grouping skills then spin to win is a lose of dps

[@musicaddict9058]

Neuvillette is only balanced by the fact that he is mind numbigly boring to play, so you fall asleep and lose dps. Wish he had more of a variety in his gameplay.

[@SSABIRR-69]

That's your opinion I find him fun to play

[@pancake3365]

Hard disagree but go off

[@musicaddict9058]

​@@SSABIRR-69It's okay to be wrong, i forgive you.

[@Marta1Buck]

After playing him since his release, I got bored of him. Happened to kazuha, yelan, kokomi, and pretty much every character that I played too much with.

[@lafeechloe6998]

You just have to admit that the funniest dps in the game is Ganyu because you have to constantly be aware of everything around you, the best place to fire your arrow, your pyro app, your buffs, your shields HPs… highly technical

[@manday2267]

The only team who can power creep him is the Pyro Dragon, with the Pyro Archon, Furina, and Bennett. Or maybe after the release of Capitano. Trust.

[@I_Don_Like_]

Or just use both dragons in both halves lol. Yes plz release pyro dragon so I can use them both.

[@oxfayzxo]

as a hu tao main, i raged a bit when you said hu tao was OK? like excuse me, she is a very good dps and can easily do over 100k (not like my hu tao can even do 60k but you get the point) anyway no hate but hu tao is best girl, and is the pookie of everyone's life. thank you for listening. also this is NOT a hate comment, im just stating my opinion as a hu tao main on the thumbnail

[@RaikaKoshiba650]

That’s cool and all, but what the hell is a pookie?

[@oxfayzxo]

@@RaikaKoshiba650 it's like a way of calling someone you liike or love, idk man, with a pet name like pookie ya know? idk why i call my favorite characters of games and books pookie, even when some of them are more emo than scara and xiao could ever be

[@RaikaKoshiba650]

@@oxfayzxo Ah I see, thank you.

[@oxfayzxo]

@@RaikaKoshiba650 welcome :D

[@i_wont_touch_grass8917]

Neuvillete is just easy to use, he has the highest solo dmg but team wise there are multiple better team Pull for Neuvillete if you have skill issues, Childe is extremely strong if you can do his rotations properly, Lyney has the lowest defense so playing him without a shielder is hard, Alhaitham has quantum mechanics level rotations, Ayaka hits harder but also the burst is easy to miss

[@kibathefang6022]

Unfortunate that at this point in the game, DPS is not what attracts me to pulling. Being able to give more to the team, to open new gameplay, and help with keeping boredom has more value at least to me. So that's why I skipped him for Furina. So the point of the video that there might be no powercreep for Neuvilette. Well, at the current state of the game, going stronger than this is just overkill. I want a strong unit yes, but if the content is only Floor 12 then what's the point? It's not really hard for a 3 year old account. But if they raised the difficulty then other players would complain. They couldn't even think of just adding Floors 13 and 14. Or maybe require you to bring 3 teams so that your units won't end up collecting dust in the bench. I missed the time where I end up playing Abyss for 2 hours just to figure out how to get 36 stars but now 36 stars is just a given. Tomorrow we have a new Abyss cycle. Hopefully more fun than the current one.

[@vm8210]

9:19 well by that logic also if we get a cryo applier thats insane( maybe tsaritsa), she also gets buffed

[@PierceLavoy]

That’s why I’m skipping everyone to pull for him on his rerun

[@jonathan_chillgaming]

as f2p i agree with this, got him and his weapon, save so much time in combat 😊

[@thornszk]

His lore made people ok with powercreep.

[@goddamnarshia]

Which is such a cope excuse for bad balancing. They literally sabotaged an archon and every single character in fotnaine to shill a literal who boring lore wank

[@aperson6562]

⁠@@goddamnarshiawhy are you so sad that he’s strong? I’ve seen your comments and you just seem so pressed on pushing this agenda that hes boring. People find different things fun,and that’s okay. Besides, as long as the abyss isn’t designed around him, powercreep means very little

[@goddamnarshia]

@@aperson6562 sorry did me having an opinion offend you ?

[@aperson6562]

@@goddamnarshia not sure what makes you think that. Besides, if youre free to post an opinion on the internet, people are free to react to it.

[@goddamnarshia]

@@aperson6562 you didn't really react to my opinion, you reacted to me having one in the first place. Not everyone is supposed to join the echo chamber mate , im not "pushing an agenda" when i call a boring character boring.

[@webbedshadow2601]

I have my screen brightness down and thought the title said "Nilou" I looked closer to see it read "NEUVILLETTE"...

[@GxGNoir]

05:04 I got PTSD seeing Hu Tao against those Whopperflowers...playing Hu Tao on that chamber was complete suffering

[@manday2267]

Ayyy! Hello, Noir!

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

you got skill issue thats not surprising

[@manday2267]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz You was able to clear the whopperflowers in that abyss really easily by Hu Tao? 🤔

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@manday2267 yeah vv vape hutao vaped xingqiu skills would 2 hit the pyro flower , and pyro vv shred meant my hutao was still doing like 80k per CA and vv vape also meant i had kazuha grouping, that abyss was such a cake walk i completely forgot about it

[@luminous3558]

Being easy to use and not really relying on reactions are probably his biggest upsides aside from doing top tier damage. SO many players just cannot play teams to the required level which is mostly due to the game not being very upfront with how things actually work, content creators also tend to just assume people know how to do things. The average player doesn't know how to properly activate VV, especially not on multiple elements. - It needs an element to be ON an enemy -The VV unit needs to be on field at the time of swirl - infusion/absorption doesnt matter for VV Without knowing this you probably think you are applying VV but aren't and are thus losing a lot of dmg without knowing. Content creators assume you are doing it correctly. Neuvillete has flexible field time so its really easy to just go Neuv E > Kazuha E unlike characters who need to stay on field the whole time.

[@ZennikoCallisto12]

as a wanderer main, im suprised that neuvi c0r1 have the same output as wanderer c6r1, that is insanity

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

then build your wanderer correctly? c6 wanderer is the best c6 character in the game, even at c2 he already becomes a god character

[@qanitamahrani9139]

The damage Neuvillette could dish out even in C0 is disgustingly high, and the fact that he's easy to play (for all devices), not hard to build, self sustainable to full health without losing dps is just incredible. The only thing that beats him is just the actual core mechanics of element immunity and that's it. He does not care if the enemy has a shit ton of HP, or if they have a shield, if they are in a group or if they are far away, he just burst through them all. Truly a lore correct character.

[@grspain9662]

Neuvillete and alhaitham = the best DPS characters in the game it’s so obvious

[@hirohero2490]

Added 2 Tulpa in both floor of Spiral Abyss, Neuvillate:" welp i guess im out"

[@kahrugiadesu1501]

Having Neuvilette and haven't even started the video yet, I can safely say, I think Neuvilette isn't solely a powercreep unit towards every meta powerful unit already available in the game, he's just Balanced (in a gameplay sense) his damage isn't all in one drop, unless you vape with his Burst I guess. But his HP scalings, his damage, his ability to self-sustain. I've been led to solely believe he wasn't made to be the best of the best, but just a Strong unit in general. he zuccs his own HP down to a modest half most of the time if you aren't C6, and the only way to do bad on Neuvilette is to actually have a whimsical intent to purposely to die xDDD Might not be the most thrilling gameplay, but i'm glad I pulled for him cuz of his character design, then by god it was made better how he was portrayed in the archon quest and story quest, Hands down best voice over is English, the man conveyed emotion so well. cheers to every Neuvilette enjoyer, and every Genshin impact enjoyer, happy new years!

[@nakanomiku3001]

You're wrong then coz theres literally calculations for it, its something that can be proven and his dmg is insane and some people are even forgetting how he can self heal so hes fine solo because of his dps alone

[@kahrugiadesu1501]

@@nakanomiku3001 Okay what I'm saying is, Hoyo probably just wanted to make him a solid unit, but his gameplay mechanics actually made him more busted than expected, a DPS who can self-sustain and do tons of damage is just too strong a kit. Factoring in outside factors like Furina, Hydro resonance and his steroid passive, his numbers go up to insane heights.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@nakanomiku3001 here's calcs that prove he isnt god and almighty bullshit Dps calcs: Neuvillette Furina Kazuha Charlotte (Insta-CA-Animation-Cancel tech - 3 Draconic Stacks) : 48k per hit x 24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1252k + 400k furina 1652k dpr ÷ 20s rot = ( 82k dps ) Neuvilette Fufina Kazuha Charlotte( 2 Draconic Stacks ) >Neuv CA 40k x24 + 100k total skill and burst = 1060k + 400k = 1460k ÷ 20s rot ( 73k dps ) Hutao Xingqiu Kazuha Bennett - (8N2C) combo : 120k per CA x8 + 200k burst + 264k total NA dmg + 25k blood blossom dmg = 1449k + 400k xinqiu total dmg = 1849 ÷ 20s rot ( 92k dps ) Alhaitham Nahida Furina Kuki : Alhaitham 48k(spread) + 27k(no spread) rainswords x 3 x 3 = 675k + 122k total burst + 50k elem skill + 25k plunge + 20k x 5 NA(spread) + 3k x20 NA(no spread) = 1032k + furina 270k total + nahida 180k + kuki 34k x13 hyperblooms = 442k > 1032k + 270k + 180k + 442k = 1924k dpr ÷ 20s rot ( 96k dps ) all r5 - 4 star weaps c0 - 5 star chars c6 - 4 star chars

[@nobrainnogame4320]

What make people so delusional thinking something is impossible to powercreep. It's mihoyo's game if they want to powercreep a character they easily can, and Neuvillette is no exception. Venti was much harder to powercreep and Mihoyo did it anyway for their sales. So what makes you think it would be different this time while Neuvillette whose sole job is to deal damage. Eventually even a character like Furina/Nahida will get creeped by mihoyo for the sake of their business.

[@gavy0789]

He's too broken

[@ronnieketchum1241]

Bro is lore accurate

[@brutalterminator3868]

he might be the best dps in the game but i still wont put him in top tier cause for me supports and off field characters like nahida kazuha furina will always be better than on field main dps characters as they are much more flexible and can slot into many teams compared to on field main dps units which need a team built around them.

[@Ananta9817]

In this case, I would say he is. He is perhaps the first dps I would place next to the top tier supports. Two reasons, he is hydro and he can easily deal out massive chunks of sustained damage. I've done nothing but try out different teams extensively on this and the past abyss cycle with Neuvillette. You don't need to build a team around him, but rather put him in teams that already had a hydro and it ends up doing either just as good, if not an upgrade. Hyperbloom, superbloom, burgeon, hyperburgeon, burn vape, vape, hypercarry, freeze, tazer, etc. Like I have Ayaka's premium team and some meme comp I made of Neuvillette freeze team still feels better. lmao

[@brutalterminator3868]

@Ananta9817 eh he's still a unit u pull if u like his playstyle and he spends a lot of time on field so idk.Also if ur ayaka team falls off against meme neuvillette freeze team there's a chance ur ayaka team is not invested

[@Ananta9817]

@@brutalterminator3868Which is why he is a carry, but if you think that alone is reason to devalue him, your evaluation of a good unit is circularly based on supporting units. But it honestly shouldn't matter if the carry themselves is still extremely strong in a vast majority of teams. Ion have mistsplitter yet if that is what you are asking. The rest is fine, Kazuha on r5 fav, Shenhe with calamity (lost the 50 50 last time lmao) and enough ER from subs almost 4k atk, Koko with thrilling tales and Totm, Ayaka on 4pc blizzard with a 40/230 ratio and r4 Finale of the Deep. All I did was run a Neuvillette Furina team with Charlotte and Kazuha until I realized with Neuvy on proto amber you don't really need a healer that much. So I ended up running Ganyu, long range on freeze, I don't have to worry if all of Ayaka's burst hits or ER funneling when I can just blast and wave his hydro pump around.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

he isnt even the best dps tho alhaitham is peak c0/f2p investment dealing upwards of 90k dps while neuv only at 70k he only gets better than alhaitham once he has sig weap

[@brutalterminator3868]

@@Ananta9817 na but still Top tier is rightfully reserved for the strongest supports. Supports will always age better than any dps in genshin, this has been proven time and time again.

[@Ray-xx8yt]

At least its lore accurate strength

[@georgielol]

Happy new year TGS! I got my Neuvillete to hit for 60k per charged attack tick, which is pretty nice.

[@walashi882]

68k here 🤚 with furina it probably will be around 80k

[@robinsonjoseph9987]

106k charge attack with furina and kazuha

[@georgielol]

@@walashi882 Mine's only c0 and the artifacts are still not amazing.

[@arconteprimordial]

Mine hit 76k per tic damage. 100 CR, 292 CD and 37,5k HP. He is C1 and Furina C3 + Baizhu and Kazuha. But if he uses HP crown can critic 90k per tic, but with only 78 CR missing just 1/5 critics it means lower dps than the 100 CR variant.

[@georgielol]

@@arconteprimordial Yeah I don't have anywhere near that much HP on mine. Just really difficult to balance all the stats.

[@marmackerel]

I feel like any team with neuvillette on it should be named neuvillette cheese

[@Hencid]

as an ayato main i knew since the start that neuvillette would have been the best dps, because he is literally an upgraded version of ayato and ayato was alredy one of the best dps in the game for those that had a tactical oriented mind and understood the game as a whole and not just as spreadsheets. in my opinion there is a very strong chase to be made that neuvillette, being hydro, sustaining the team by tanking/healing with prototype amber aswell as literally hard carrying the team dps can be considered as good as the best supports like nahida/furina/Kazuha because as long as you have him you will always have a team ready that is even more versatile than all the optons kazuha/furina/ nahida have, because he doesn't need electro/hydro, he doesn't need healers and he doesn't need to do reactions to clear the content. and all this by being less supported than all other dps in the game

[@ruru__]

mind the damage

[@TroubleisHere]

Ayato was never one of the best dps in the game lol

[@Hencid]

@@TroubleisHere he always was you just need to have 2 brain cells to understand the game. all the decent tierlists used to put him in S

[@TroubleisHere]

@@Hencid I been playing the game since release and ayato was never even remotely close to being one of the best dps. You must be extremely delusional and obsessed with ayato to think this way.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@Hencid lol ayato does 2x less dmg than actually good dps chars lmfao

[@abortedButGoated]

8:21 diluc's best team spotted

[@kinkane1976]

Even if his dmg gets powercrept, the fact that he has extremely good AoE to the point where you don’t even need a grouper at all while maintaining ST-worthy dmg, heals himself significantly, is tanky, very easy to play, is of the hydro element, has a flexible playstyle and rotation, and has a C1 that improves his kit a lot all make him really hard to replace. I haven’t struggled using him at all when compared to using characters like Ayaka and Hu Tao in some situations. The only counter he has is hydro immune enemies lol

[@treeleven3316]

Me personally, I don’t like his play style so I did not pull him. I have my bases covered for hydro aoe I got a nilou team, for single target hydro I got a double hydro core. Yeah if you did not have a solution to these two problems or if you just want him I’d say go for it, but don’t feel pressured to get him. As time goes on I still remember when content creators pushed ganyu as so viable because she’s essentially very similar to neuvillette having a powerful charge attack playstyle, very mobile, and at the time could be played on 1 half of the abyss at c0 and clear it within the time frame. But abyss cycles change and it’s only once in a blue moon I hear about ganyu and I hear about people pulling ganyu later sort of regretting it or not playing her as much. I could see down the road the same thing happening to neuvillette, but seeing as he’s relatively new it may take a year or two so he’s definitely worth the pull if you want him.

[@TheRoleplayer40k]

Ganyu is my fav so I still use her all the time, but I dont really do abyss so.