Never Download Minecraft Mods Ever Again || Spoutcraft

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What if i told you that just by installing this one mod, you never have to use any mod manager to join a modded minecraft server ever again? Because this mod will download all the other mods you need in order to play, after wich you can just start playing. No more hassle with Curseforge, no more manual downloading, no more mental breakdowns cuz u keep forgetting that one mod. And what if i told you this mod and its serversided plugin was already out in 1.6.4 and was the catalyst for what eventually would become Spiggot and later PaperMC. Because that software is called Spoutcraft, a modded client/plugin combo that allowed servers to send custom data over the network.
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A brief history on Modded Minecraft - Aaron Mills:
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If You've Read This Far Comment Pebble :)

[@oxodao]

Hey @oxodao here, I'm part of the respouted team and I've looked a lot into the code. I've seen a few comments talking about security so I might as well answer here, this isn't explained in the video because it's not a technical deep dive but you don't actually download mods. Spout is technically an api, what you're downloading are only textures, no code. The spout plugin tells the client "hey register a block with this texture" and the client does it. The only things you download are sound and textures (maybe 3d models too). The only 3rd party code that the launcher runs on your computer is the one made by the spoutcraft team. No code is sent from the server

[@Cygnus_MC]

The man, the myth, the Frenchman

[@alvinbontuyan8083]

Essentially, this means that server owners have no power to execute any arbitrary harmful code on the user's computer? The only thing they have access to is the spout API, which has no vulnerabilities?

[@codinghuman9954]

If only mojang would just create an api for this :(

[@codinghuman9954]

@@alvinbontuyan8083 yes, it is very unlikely that a critical vulnerability would happen at all with how the api works and much less make it into release

[@uponeric36]

@@alvinbontuyan8083 It's also worth noting any .jar file (so basically all Minecraft mods) is essentially up to trust if you don't know the code because a .jar is basically a .exe, it can execute whatever code on your PC that it's creator puts into it. Sounds scary, but it's also what makes all of modding possible lul

[@ProdWowEthan]

Essentially makes Minecraft like garry's mod. When you join a server that has custom content, it automatically installs the content and when it's done, the server is joinable.

[@JmbFountain]

my main fear with something like spoutcraft is that you are essentially downloading and executing (maybe even without writing it to disk) random code from the Internet.

[@Cygnus_MC]

The main thing to overcome is indeed this issue, however we're likely not going to send excecutions over but moreso a list of where to find the mods!

[@NickAc]

I believe that something isolated like WebAssembly would allow to mitigate this somewhat. Despite its name, it can run anywhere, not just on the web browser

[@Bananenbauer123]

Well, minecraft is giving you warnings about playing modified versions always. Modding is always a risk. I'm not deep in this topic, but since this software just downloads from existing mod loader... mirrors? And the mod loaders themselves are also interested in avoiding harmful mods be uploaded, the risk should be minimal. Now if someone could create their own shady mod loader and use re:spouted as a backdoor.. yea, that would be a problem.

[@oxodao]

(Note: I've made a comment explaining why this is not an issue but I can't tag you on it)

[@gyroninjamodder]

You aren't downloading random code. All the code is already in the spoutcraft client. Spout plugins were still pretty limited since you could only do things which the Spoutcraft client mod let you do. But those things like custom blocks and sounds while limited made for useful enhancements.

[@Solesteam]

This is like Terraria's auto mod downloading system, a feature modded Minecraft has long since been missing...

[@Kthnx2]

God. I remember using spout back in the day and thinking it was so cool it's so insane to think something I so easily downloaded and played with back in the day is just no longer accessible. Stuff like this needs to be archived better in the future. I can't imagine how many other projects like this are just gone forever now

[@Cygnus_MC]

A ton of them are gone! However if u still have the pc you played with spout on please check its drive, it could hold some key data!

[@Kthnx2]

@@Cygnus_MC Wish I still had it. Every PC I've ever previously had died a painful death and didn't survive sadly.

[@gyroninjamodder]

As mentioned in the video the client mod and server plugin along with their full history are still up on github and are not lost. You just have to compile it yourself.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@gyroninjamodder while true, downpour, their library and a few things are not on github. But most of it is on github yes

[@oxodao]

@@gyroninjamodder The main issue is not spout itself, its the tons of plugins and their textures which were stored separately that are for a lot of them, lost to time

[@yy..]

I just randomly remembered Spoutcraft from a decade ago and found this video after searching it up. Crazy timing

[@Cygnus_MC]

I am inside your head

[@TheReal4L3X]

dude this concept is amazing. the modding community and server owners definately need this. i think ur gonna have a lot of people supporting this if u manage to expand it

[@BeepSterr]

no, do not bring this piece of malware spreading shit back.

[@HarleyEllis307]

​@@BeepSterrnuh uh

[@Marfprojects]

My server back in 2012 had Spoutcraft support. i only used it for custom Gui's to make jobs easier for the staff. and for people that they could teleport easily to places without knowing the commands. i think i was also trying to get a plugin working so we could have custom capes. but i don't think i ever got it working. The spoutcraft support wasn't popular, didn't got used at all by players nor the staff. so i decided to drop support. it's a shame really. i really liked it. EDIT: i just checked, the server backup from 2012 i still have have doesnt have the spoutcraft plugin files anymore or the backup was taken before i did this. nor do i have the client files anymore.

[@LeSpatiocorne]

Damn you ringed a freaking nostalgia bell on me. I used to play with spoutcraft as a teen, at the time this project was released. I didn't saw the usage of that because of my poor understanding of the english back then. Now I'm like, bro' if I knew, I would have keep this client like the bunch of cracked and portable version I had.

[@stormer9763]

I thought you had at least 100k subs the quality of your content is insane you will definitely blow up! 😌

[@trenton_ingles-head]

I've never heard of Spoutcraft before this but I'm excited to see where it goes in the future, this is definitely a revolutionary project.

[@gustavocampo9467]

Finalmente regresa, ahora a esperar que puedan recuperar y actualizar todo el proyecto

[@Furin_]

Omg, this is crazy. I wish you guys the best ❤

[@Very_Questionable]

This reminds me of a more recent modification for fabric and forge servers that allows partial support for mods on vanilla clients. But I think this is even better than that, in the future I don't have to teach all of my friends how to install mods anymore!

[@Fusorf]

I remember using spoutcraft on my server back in the day, this brings back memories !

[@Captain.Mystic]

Im suprised that there hasnt been a factorio style ingame mod manager for minecraft. A lot of the basework is there and the only change you would potentially need is figuring out how to hotload custom data. While its a bit less of an elegant idea, it would automate certain things like connecting to a server immediately after resetting the game, which i think is actually something thats possible by using executable arguments.

[@ThinkWithMods]

Sounds like an interesting concept!

[@studderist]

I really love your editing style, I love how simplistic yet high quality it is, lately lots of channels have adopted an over the top, really fast paced editing style but this video was like a breath of fresh air from those videos abusing the low attention span of children

[@xampsonnospmax]

This would be what I consider the ideal modded minecraft experience

[@gyroninjamodder]

I made several plugins that depended on spout. They weren't that notable though. I don't have any of those files anymore though as that was like a decade ago.

[@Cygnus_MC]

A true veteran, i salute you

[@Eniti-]

Only if I could find one of the developers of it. I might be able to send them the video and they might hop on board. I wasn't around when this was a full thing, but I'm willing to try to get in contact with anyone that worked on the original spout even then they may have the original mod but very much doubt it.

[@Cygnus_MC]

We've tried, for months now. We cant find anyone who was involved with it anymore except for doctor but he's doing other stuff

[@Eniti-]

@@Cygnus_MC I'm taking to a few Reddit communities that I'm a part of that do a lot of research into lost items and I'm going to make some posts talking about spoutcraft and redirect them to your Discord server and provide a KZbin video link. Just trying to help

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@Eniti- id love that tbh! Any help is appreciated!!!

[@Eniti-]

@@Cygnus_MC I am committed. I want to see this client come back even for archive's sake

[@emilydavidson8844]

This is how bedrock works already lmao

[@denism6879]

This reminds me of how in Counter-Strike 1.6 your client would automatically download the needed mods to play the community server

[@thepopmanbrad]

i remember spoutcraft i used to have like the client on an old hard drive years ago and always wondered what happened to it

[@smartin_b5314]

So, if i get this right, this is basicly a extention of custom texturepacks, IF you dont allow custom code execution, stuff like custom guis or fancy mods are basicly impossible, so this is basicly a Resourcepack variant to also allow for custom blocks. And, well, custom items you can already make with modern data+resourcepack combinations, and tbh with the display entity you might even be able to do some fake block thingies IF you do allow custom code on client, its already done and called AutoModpack. TlDr: you donwload a custom client to not download mods that add simple blocks, doing that as a mod for fabric or Forge isnt that complicated, and saying "download my ModLauncher" and "download my mod" is not that different

[@kyleyoung2464]

I was thinking we needed a mod like this. Turns out its a thing

[@dinhero21]

You should make a video on Polymer and PolyMC, which are very similar but the client doesn't actually need to install any mods

[@Cygnus_MC]

Im actually talking to the lads over there, so i deffo might!

[@emilydavidson8844]

So how bedrock already works

[@Captain.Mystic]

Note, theres been some issues and drama with polymc, so look into prism launcher instead. Theyre all forks of the same base client with modifications that circumvent the -frankly malicious- curseforge guideline changes that were purposefully made to hawk their own -terrible ad ridden- modpack manager (which was also one of the main reasons that modrinth was made) The difference is a bit of the drama with polymc that popped up. Theres a blogpost on the prism launcher website that can explain it better than a youtube comment can. I think it would be a good idea to look at to get another point of view than just the polymc devs.

[@DUBSkyLinEx3]

hopefully someone one day makes a mod that actually just downloads and updates mods that are run on the server so I don't have to give everyone a modpack and updates for mods and tell them do do all that manually.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Shout at me in discord: discord.gg/cygnusmc

[@Anon256-64]

hi

[@Mohammed-eq9mr]

the most underatted ytber

[@endemicsound9674]

holy shit i was just thinking abt spoutcraft the other day and then this got reccomended. really wish i had my old drive so i could help

[@chadshowdown9382]

Let’s support spout!

[@patrickcarpenter6258]

Thank you for doing this!

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thank you for watching :3

[@GenesicShinZyraelKai]

I can never escape the vsauce "or is it?" thing can I? 😂

[@yellowbebo]

Pebble :D This is very cool.. and it's awesome that you're remaking the whole thing.. i wish i could help but.. i had an idea for a different way i could help It's a different app.. i might make it, might forget it in the next minute.. infact i think i just forgot it

[@thatoneguy385]

This is awesome! However, I'm concerned about security. If I join a server and download the mods, would I just be blindly downloading and executing code from a remote server (which I don't control)? Are the mods that are send through spout executed just as regular Minecraft Mods or sandboxed in some way?

[@Cygnus_MC]

The way we are looking at it now is that there is no mods beeing send over the server itself, rather a location of where these mods can be found. These would be checked against a whitelist to see if they add up

[@oxodao]

(Note: I've made a comment explaining why this is not an issue but I can't tag you on it)

[@Portos_O_1os]

One of my hard drives recently died after serving me for over 11 years. I will look into the files that I saved before it completely died, if found nothing I will try data recovery. Big chance the plugin version for server was on that drive, absolutely no chance for the client mod tho.

[@Sharpless2]

for data recovery i can recommend "Disk Drill". Get the free version and do a deep scan to see if it finds anything usable. If it does and the amount of data is 500mb or less, you can recover for free. If its over 500mb... use the unconventional methods to get disk drill for free.

[@Jimbob_Offical]

NGL I thing you just revolutionised Minecraft's mods scene, you solved a problem that has plagued servers for years, enabling players to easily play multiplayer Minecraft, imaging if Hypixle adopted this into their server. I think you may have solve cheats on servers too by having a moded client/ game launcher players can't use a hacked client, as far as I am aware you can't have mods on a hacked client. ReSpouted is going places!

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks jimbob! Unfortunately we're still in the concept stage but we got some working prototypes going on!

[@Jimbob_Offical]

@@Cygnus_MC good luck, I would help out but I literally don’t know anything about coding. Iknow more about servers and media technology than programming.

[@aerbon]

you most definitely can have hacks and mods at the same time, since hacks are just mods.

[@Jimbob_Offical]

@@aerbon oh I didn’t know that, never used them.

[@eightheve]

Hacks unfortunately can be used as client side mods, although its possible that this could be used to help combat this in other ways. For the same reason that things like lunar client help to prevent cheating. Lunar client basically tells servers and other players using the same client, "hey! im using lunar!" and because lunar client cannot be used with cheats (afaik), this gives you a sort of signature that can say that you're most likely not cheating. This mod could utilize a similar thing by basically relaying to the server that there is only one mod installed on the client's end. Just a thought, I don't know how practical this is and I also don't know how easy a workaround would be because I've never developed minecraft cheats

[@soymalacara]

We already have this on the China plugins store, but they don't translate many of their plugins to english and others plugins never leave from MCBBS

[@rnrwardhana7450]

OMG ITS THE THING I'VE BEING SEARCHING FOR AGES.

[@Raven-fu1zz]

I remember playing spoutcraft, I thought it had like a built in shader for some reason, no idea where the laptop it's on is tho

[@Sytex6452]

Great one :)

[@CloudPhase]

This could be really cool. Btw, if by "Re:spouted" you mean spouted 'again' or 'redone', then you're using it wrong as 'Re:' is used pretty unanimously as an alternate for reply or response. All you would really need to do is to just drop the colon.

[@Cygnus_MC]

The re: comses from us as a responce to the knowledge that spoutcraft was slowly getting more and more lost to history

[@CloudPhase]

​@@Cygnus_MC Alright, just wanted to make sure it was intentional, good luck on the project

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@CloudPhase thanks!

[@emilydavidson8844]

This is how bedrock works already lmao

[@HanProgramer]

Oh cool! I've made a video about Minecraft history of modding on the Bedrock Edition. Currently trying to revive the blocklauncher project

[@cubic10]

I've been using a mod like this called automodpack, but it was always a bit glitchy for me, Imma try use this

[@mirandaamyx658]

how do i download it or is it not available yet and when will it be available

[@YumiiOGT]

- really interested in this concept coming back again for newer versions of minecraft, would make everyone's life 100x easier for modding with friends! subbing to know the end of this story :D

[@lboston4660]

Spout's still a thing...? I'm getting flashbacks from 10+ years ago

[@Doctor677productions]

wow this is amazing u hope respouted goes well

[@M0n0chr0me]

would this work over LAN connections too?

[@DRAGNIL68]

I HAVE BEAN WHATING FOR THIS FOR AS LONG I CAN REMEMBER PLAYING JAVA

[@frostino_plays]

Is this mod / plugin available for server

[@OrlandoFloyd-gh2lq]

Please be available for newer versions like 1.19 and 1.20

[@EvandroSantana]

Love you, Lunar. ❤

[@Cygnus_MC]

Lunar loves you too

[@adamxdprod7885]

well i know how to code but i never coded in java sooo i don't think that i can help

[@polocatfan]

ah yes. this is a great idea considering the security flaws that happened recently.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Good thing we're not sending over data or instructions then

[@soninhodev7851]

So cool, are you accepting junior devs with a lot of passion? because i sure want to help!

[@Cygnus_MC]

Yessir!

[@jimmyscott5144]

Are you hosting your own gitea repo?

[@Cygnus_MC]

Once we are ready for that!

[@gioslk]

Or you can just use a traditionally well known ATLauncher (*NOT TL) or the new Modrinth one (which is very polished btw)

[@Cygnus_MC]

Yes you can, but those dont do what what we want to do here

[@Woodman3]

Major security issue with this

[@brainiaci]

where can i follow the project?

[@that_guy1211]

1.14+ versions are going to be supported or no? (Also, i know how to program, just not in java or kotlin, although i'm learning kotlin as of now, i wish to make my very own minecraft mod)

[@Cygnus_MC]

Likely yes

[@that_guy1211]

@@Cygnus_MC good, i actually want this project to succeed, after all, downloading mods is a pain

[@asdanjer]

I mean, everything on the internet is sent through packets. The relevant constant here is the size of the files. So whether it is a zip file or not doesn't really have anything to do with it (except for a zip file being compressed and being a bit smaller therefore). And that seems to be exactly what Hytale promised.

[@AlexanderShepherd-cs8vp]

Now what if you cross respouted with geysermc

[@rame.]

cool

[@starleigh6680]

Only if it’s open source and licensed under a FSF approved license.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thats the goal, hence why we are rewriting the original spoutcraft first sowe can have it as foss

[@erie3936]

I actuallt had this mod but I didn't know what it did.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Based

[@Henrywilliams-qk2xy]

Forge, fabric, quilt and neoforge support 😈

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thats the plan eventually

[@pacomatic9833]

@@Cygnus_MC 🔥

[@Noodlebowler]

I have no clue about coding but if you need help tell me i love the project!

[@Chee5e]

nice

[@purecz]

Wouldn't it be just better to build on the fact there is curseforge and modrinth, and just let the client download those mods while trying to join the server? Just implement a way where mods can load after the minecraft is already open. Or make a client that can just see minecraft servers, and then downloads the mods and launches into the game.

[@Cygnus_MC]

That is essentially what we are doing yes

[@purecz]

@@Cygnus_MC oh nice. I am really looking forward this. I made a lot of minecraft modded servers in the past and the worst part is for my friends to download the mods every single time there is an update. I am not sure if I would be able to since my skills are not that good into minecraft modding and such, but if there is a way to contribute, I would love to.

[@hydraulichydra8363]

Copyrighting MC source code has got to be the stupidest thing ever. What kind of pirate pirates by manually compiling source code? That is the most retarded idea ever! They do it with torrent or cracked clients anyway and DMCA'ing code that happens to be _mostly_ MC source code because it's an old unfinished project does nothing to stop that!

[@oxodao]

Well mojang is pretty nice with this tbf (the source code for spoutcraft is still on github even though it's not that legal). It's just that our goal is to do the things properly, including not giving out copyrighted assets. We are lucky that this company is not Nintendo and actually let us do stuff with their IP, might as well give it back to them by doing the right thing 😉

[@hydraulichydra8363]

@@oxodao haha that is fair. I do appreciate the honor in that.

[@nerdcuddles7731]

...but does it work with Essential?

[@Cygnus_MC]

Why would'nt it?

[@jayson9999ful]

Still downloading mods. Spout will never replace fabric or forge for me.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thats not the goal either

[@FluffyBean]

Pebble

[@Felipe-rn1gf]

interssante

[@Anon256-64]

um when does it start to be developed?

[@Cygnus_MC]

Its already beeing developed, the footage you saw about the client was from our rewritten version

[@ranixcz4087]

if people are afraid about potential malicious code then why don't add report and blacklist system. that could limit number of potentially infected pc. or in worst case make whitelist where would be all most popular mods and tested mods.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thats exactly what we are adding! Altho more in the form of a whitelist that allowes certain domains to be accessed

[@NickMineboom]

THIS IS cool...But giving control to a mod to execute random mods on my pc is such a BIG security risk..I think that doing the work by myself is a lot SAFER.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Good thing we are not doing that then huh. Nothing will be executed without you the player knowing whats happening/giving permission to do so. The server wont send you mods, it will send you links to download your mods from automatically.

[@Tepiloxtl]

Spoutcraft? What year is it, 2012? xD

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

This is what ark does for modded servers by default. This would be amazing for folks like me who host serves. Very interested. If there's a way I could donate specifically to this project let me know.

[@Cygnus_MC]

We currently dont take donations, tho ur support is appreciated!! The best way you could support us is to spread the word?

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

@@Cygnus_MC I'll post this vid in my modded communities thanks

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

@@Cygnus_MC try the way back machine. It caches the content of old websites for archival purposes

[@lelouchvikurogane1127]

neat

[@Cygnus_MC]

Great, even!

[@D.x.-1974]

And I thought that 6yo is actually from the basement

[@WarrR0ck]

i don't understand tho this wouldn't work for things like connecting to ports? ignore textures and models and sounds there's a lot more that mods do is that just straight up not supported? i feel like this could be a bit ass. also fuckin hell this would cost a lot of money lol the reason this doesn't exist because people probably don't want 15-30 min wait time or high server costs

[@Cygnus_MC]

Why would they need higher setver capacity? All the server does is send a list of the mods beeing used?

[@WarrR0ck]

@@Cygnus_MC ah i thought the server would have to actually download mods for per user sort like garry's mod misunderstood because then that would take server resources to provide each and every user with the mods on the server that actually sounds super easy to do tho especially with modrinth with their labrinth API

[@vidargartz1797]

pebble...

[@Cygnus_MC]

🤝

[@cooolkie]

Sounds like Minecraft Chinese edition or bedrock edition's addons

[@koleso132009]

I can draw resourcepacks. Can I write you?

[@Yegor_Mechanic]

I can do that too. I even changed some sounds a while back, so I can do even more than just re-modeling and re-texturing. The thing is that I don't have enough time and it's already 23 o'clock...

[@oxodao]

You can! Most plugins we'll find will have their texture missing as they were hosted separately, you could help on making texture back for them

[@vengefulone6282]

Can you recomment me any modded servers?

[@fares_gamer603]

pebble

[@Cygnus_MC]

Pebble

[@XXLSteve]

So pretty much Bedrock addons for java?

[@Cygnus_MC]

You mean datapacks? No not at all

[@XXLSteve]

​@@Cygnus_MC well with addons the server you join sends the addon data which is automatically downloaded and cached so it's the same concept as both addons and Spoutcraft rely on an API meaning there can't be a security issue. There's a technical difference tho because on bedrock the whole addon zip is sent but Spoutcraft seems to work differentely from what I understood

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@XXLSteve the difference is that this could have more range then just addons. And have access to more powerfull tools

[@HellFox460]

talk to the people that make craft lands they use this still

[@Cygnus_MC]

Whats craftlands? U got some contact details?

[@uis246]

Cuberite next?

[@myToasterDied]

Sounds like minetest

[@Cygnus_MC]

I dont really think thats how minetest works

[@aYtto]

Terraria's auto-download ported to minecraft?

[@Cygnus_MC]

Not really as terarrias auto downloads work a tad different

[@aYtto]

@@Cygnus_MC im joking, they're hella different, i just didn't ellaborate enough

[@xen4141]

wtf vsauce

[@somekindofdude1130]

I think this is an invitation for malware

[@SupersuMC]

Heh. I don't download mods in the first place. #Vanilla4Life

[@Cygnus_MC]

Fair nuff

[@xenird]

Looks nice but I'll keep using Prism Launcher

[@Cygnus_MC]

Totally fair!

[@kittech_]

im very gold

[@xDryZek]

and make it work with aternos, my dreams are complete.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Aternos is not a modloader of any kind, if we release this its up to them to support us

[@RealTreester]

Last

[@Cygnus_MC]

Pebble