NEW From Mark 7 - Genesys & Titan

[@calebjackson2631]

$5,999 is a super aggressive price, but not in the way I think he meant it. IMO 😂

[@BigFx]

Well, the original autodrive for dillon 1050 was over 3k at launch just for motors and little bit over 4.5k with all the sensors (decap, primer, swager, powder and bullet seating.. 100-300 each). So getting the whole package for 6k including case and bullet feeders and priming station (and the actual press) is really competitive here, as an equivalent would cost maybe 2k more to assemble (and you need to mess with it).

[@calebjackson2631]

@@BigFx Mostly I’m joking because my press cost me just over $310 about a year ago. My budget isn’t even in the same universe as guys who would be considering these works of art.

[@ericsalidbar1693]

​@@calebjackson2631of you've looked at other presses like these you'd be paying way more. I do understand though when it comes to chumps like us who can't spend this type of money on these types of "LUXURIES"

[@andrewzovishlack2751]

Can’t wait to get my hands on the genesys. Both of these loaders are amazing. Hats 😊ff Gentleman!!!!

[@ErikCortina]

Well well well.... Very interesting. I'm going to have to look into these. Thanks Gavin.

[@michaelshaw8370]

The new directions for both regular high end reloaders and commercial ammunition producers are beyond next level. Total all round improvement on all aspects. Flexibility of calibres. Speed of changing set ups. Quality at repeatable consistent safe speeds of production. Mark 7 have done it again.

[@robertwilliams2623]

Who the hell has 6k for a reload not me

[@cmonsterz]

Truly great to see reloading take a huge step forward! Game changer for sure!

[@TheBurtle005]

Wow! Looks incredible. I can’t wait to see them in action actually loading shells

[@thunderfan747]

If they come out with a primer maker, let me know.

[@Sometimes_Always]

I love it. Dillon's been doing nothing for so many years. Time for someone else to come in and take over.

[@icetrey2468]

Genesys has me psyched! Has many of the features that make the revolution awesome plus the new motor system for a price that seems like amazing bang for the buck.

[@nowornever2504]

The same can be said about cellphone vs landline, car vs horse/carriage, etc. Just different use cases. That being said, I wouldn’t buy this just yet until the “technology” matures.

[@HowManyLegsItHas]

We need to see it in action!

[@thadfoote8653]

What about parts and warranty?

[@johnmoorefield76]

I want!! Thanks for the video Gavin!!

[@MaximusSuperiorus]

Every time I see a reloading machine review, I wonder, how can they sell them if reloading components aren’t available? I just spent $120 +hazmat +shipping for 1000 small pistol magnum primers, limit of 1. It seems reloading is now out of reach for most people. Any idea when things will get back to normal, if ever?

[@williambotha5864]

Primers are becoming more readily available - go to gun shows and speak with the smaller ammo tables, they may be able to help you.

[@samdotson7297]

Any news on an actual release date for the Genesys? Do you have a unboxing and setup video scheduled?

[@mrkdwld]

These presses are awesome. That Genesys ... WOW...., I want/need/going to get one! I'm going to have to find a way to get more range time to shoot all the ammo ;-)

[@RogersHogg]

Looking great! Rev for processing then a Titan for production. They should use the same touch screen for all loader including the Rev.

[@slack3r21]

As a new FFL-06 and a user of the Apex 10 for my small start up, this is huge. I can't wait until we find out price points, I hope to grow to the point of having a few of these machines! I think that Mark 7 is overlooked for start-up ammo businesses. Its no longer reserved for $20k+ pneumatic machines. With a $6k investment, you can start a small home based ammo shop and grow your business. Its pretty huge and something that people aren't talking about enough IMO.

[@ACGBLR]

Best of luck, I am a new 06 myself. Just received the Revolution.

[@williambotha5864]

Hey Slacker! I started my factory a year ago with a couple of Mark 7s ... let me know if you want the low-down.

[@tomlarson1134]

@@williambotha5864 I'm looking at getting my 06. What's the low down

[@williambotha5864]

@@tomlarson1134 As to my background. I have more than thirty years of manufacturing experience in high quality markets, think aerospace and pharmaceuticals. I am a recognized international instructor on Lean Manufacturing. The ammo industry is a high volume, low margin business. Key challenges are - finding sources of components that are willing to ship in (for them) very small amounts. The closer you get to casual reloader volumes, the closer your component price is going to be what you are going to pay at MidwayUSA or Grafs. You have to have the funding to buy in bulk. The next thing is that you have to have channels to sell the ammo you're making. Gun shows are undoubtedly the best way to start your business, but you have to get bigger than that fast. Do the math, it can cost you to up to $400 to get to the show, sleep over, meals etc for two people. Lets say you have a 15% margin on your 9mm and .223 (which is pretty good) that means you have to sell around $2,700, or about 7,500 rounds before you start making money. Because you have to buy components in bulk, you have to pay (its all cash up front, no net30 terms) for your components months before it turns into cash in hand. This slow cash flow increases the amount of money you need to start up. Forget the smaller shows. So you need to get into online sales as fast as you can. This then forces you to have a good web site with very, visibly superior quality ammo. You can case prep 9mm cases yourself, but get fully processed cases for your .223. Availability of new cases at a decent price is coming back, but nowhere near well enough to sustain producing factory new ammo. Sizing, trimming and ensuring the primer pocket is OK on a .223 case is prohibitively difficult and expensive. (I am assuming the bulk of your sales comes from these two calibers - none of the others sell enough at gun shows to sustain a business.) Don't spend too much money on bulk packaging just to bring the theoretical cost per box down. I don't know of a single commercial reloader who does .223 in a single pass. I tried and failed for five months. I am going to use a Genesys to do sizing etc. when I can get my hands on one, and let the Mark7 Revolutions I have do the loading. I currently run my .223 through a Mark 7 twice, halving my effective throughput. And you can't run the Mark 7 above 1,500 anyway with the bullet topple on a tall skinny case like the .223 Remington, meaning your effective throughput at 100% (no alarms whatsoever which is fantasyland) is around 700 an hour. You can do that on a manual press. If you have strong shoulders. This all assumes that your presses are running predictability and you have sufficient cheap, reliable labor, aka family members. The Mark 7 Revolution is not a robust machine, it is a precision instrument and demands precise set up, regular - complete maintenance and inspection and constant operator attention. A ten station automatic press means that a alarm at any of the ten stations stops all stations. That means that your throughput is defined by the accumulation of all alarms at all stations! (Variability accumulates towards the end of a process. It does not average out.) More math; if you have five small alarms an hour, and they each take two minutes to properly resolve, that's a loss of ten minutes. Or a 16% drop in throughput, and five alarms an hour is a pretty good performance. If you screw up the recovery from an alarm (like from a crushed/stuck case at the decapper, sizer or crimp) then you may have other errors downstream, like at powder fill. A powder spill is a nightmare, avoid at all costs. A full-on torque sense (a case stuck in a sizing die) can take 20, 30 minutes to clear properly. A powder spill demands you clean the plate thoroughly and can take 30 minutes or more to do, once you're experienced. That's a 50% hit to your throughput. And you can't rush this process if you want to make sure an empty case with an expensive projectile, primer doesn't find its way into the hopper, failing to fire for a social media influencer and your business is history. The Mark 7 is assembled from components sourced by Mark 7 from other manufacturers, notably the Bulletfeeder. If any one of the feeders hiccups, the entire press grinds to a halt. The belt on the powder measure and the quality of the bulletfeeder are the two kickers. Keep shellplate tension springs, spare belts (powder measure) and micro-switches (bulletfeeder) on hand. It is also helpful to 'frankenstein' a rigid support for the micro-switch wires on the bulletfeeder. The bulletfeeder microswitch connectors are 'flimsy' and will come off or break internally within 200,000 cycles due to the incessant flexing of that connection. The Mark 7 team in Florida are great, Sydney is wonderful, Tom is a guru and the two Jasons are extremely knowledgeable and helpful on technical issues but I I don't think I am going to invest in the Titan just yet. The price point is good but I am not convinced that increasing the number of opportunities for defects per cycle from ten to twelve is the best way to go for me. Disclaimer. My Mark 7s are purring along very nicely now, and I am purchasing a couple more used ones this week, but the learning curve was extremely painful, horrendously long and ultimately very costly. And, there is nothing better than recognizing the customers that deliberately come to your table at the gun show to pick up more freedom seeds. I have built a Mark 7 Revolution trouble-shooting matrix for my operators that I am willing to share ... reach out to williamatcarriagearmamentdotcom for a copy.

[@vetnet100]

@@williambotha5864 Excellent information William! Thank you for your generosity! It really helps!

[@wonderslife525]

It would be useful if you could provide any links of suppliers from whom somebody could purchase casing bullets an primers for variety of popular sizes of bullets ang gun powder in order to supply this production station.

[@christiansmith9414]

watched them live. This is a great video to go along with it

[@psal051]

Great video, Looking forward to learning more about reloading at your Range Ready class next month.

[@tacticalrabbit308]

It's the price that is prohibited to me , I will stick to my rcbs Rock chucker press it will never crash or mess up as long as I do my part in putting things in . If a press is going to cost as much as what you where to!d in this video it should not need a person to baby sit it from the moment you turn it on for production runs . Kiss = keep it simple stupid. Words to live by

[@brownpotatoe3624]

How much are these machines? It said 5,999$ for one but didn't say what the other machine costs.

[@lawrencehudson9939]

I am so glad I don't need one of these because if I could ever justify that need I would buy one in a heartbeat. Great innovation!

[@feartheyu]

I would love to see the Mark 7 setup and in action in your shop!

[@andyprairiedog]

And here I am with my Lee 4-hole Turret 😆

[@joemccallum710]

Primers available yet?

[@JamesS.254]

Very neat, but the need for electricity kind of keeps it out of my want list as a consumer. That being said, for a smaller ammo company these look incredible.

[@carlb2727]

Did you stop by the Faxon booth? They are coming out with a new Rem 700 action for rifle builders.

[@rodgerbooth1064]

Hope it works out better than the Apex 10. Mine, I take it apart, clean it up, got that down to around 2 hours now, put it all back together make around 10 9mm bullets and a primer disintegrates in the Primer shuttle and of course as that case moves through without a primer it spills the powder all over the machine! Start all over again with the disassembly and cleaning! Make another 5-10 rounds and take it apart again! Wicked WASTE of Primers, Powder, bullets and the loss of a case! Come to realize that it is less expensive to buy new ammo, around 24 cents a round and the components to reload around 25 cents a round and a whole lot less aggravation and waste! You can buy 15,000 new 9mm rounds for what the Apex 10 will cost you and then that again if you want to reload the cases! Something definitely wrong with this picture!

[@b5bruiser98]

Well I guess I gotta year to save up for that press Im gonna need for Christmas 2023

[@johnvalenzuela9257]

Amazing engineering!

[@oddsparrow8522]

Are they possible to order to Europe?

[@RatelLaw]

Very impressive, thank you for sharing

[@markbrown6236]

Pass. Price is insane. Run the press loading ammo, not just an empty shell plate running around.

[@williambotha5864]

Great video, as always! As a lean manufacturing guy, I am 'leaning' towards the Genesys, rather than the Titan ...

[@ap1986]

This has me SUPER excited. The price is really the best feature lol

[@pietervandermerwe6855]

Hi Gavin, could not pick is up on your video, but is the Genesis more noisy or less with this new driven technology?

[@Timi_Secoban]

Is Genesis louder than any other press?

[@TashRDH]

How many stations is genesis? Caliber conversion availability? Price on titan?

[@user-TJ365]

A pretty nice used car

[@JP1AO]

A lil out of my allowance range. :) Maybe you can stop by Frankford Arsenal and see if they are ever going to get their X-10 press out.

[@Caseycallender]

I've never said Lapua like he does.

[@Ultimatereloader]

I learned to say it from someone from the Norway Lapua facility:)

[@chrisfisher3900]

Expensive yes but if you consider the current market that is not a bad price.

[@machinesandthings7121]

Great vid

[@FKSPARTO]

awesome wish i had one.

[@PrincipalDBA]

These are nice. I am not in the commercial market but it is cool.

[@soloway-l1o]

Price of Titan double? I don't hear price.

[@soloway-l1o]

@clickonmyprofile730 I can't send text to You, maybe You have some e-mail?

[@oldscout7]

Does it come with it's own Faraday cage? lol! WOW...what BEAUTIFUL machines!

[@jaymiller393]

Holy Crap!

[@lawtonsegler1923]

We have powder manufacturers, brass manufacturers, projectile manufacturers, and now serious reloading equipment manufacturers. Unfortunately, we don’t have reliable primer manufacturers who aren’t manipulating the market. Once we have that we can tell the big ammo companies to kiss our a$$. Let them sell to the government.

[@Sageofthe16]

looks amazing

[@Mark-gl2fz]

Love it!

[@BigDmike24]

Very nice 👍

[@jj-eg5up]

If the other ones were not expensive enough....

[@Clockwork0nions]

jesus. just one of those double presses can put out over 12 million rounds/year.

[@supercomp7078]

Sorry mate, losing a singular drive connected to a chunky, reliable mechanical linkage in favour of three independent electrical servos is not recipe for reliability, you now have 3 times the electrical fault potential, I will stick to a big, beefy, sturdy, reliable mechanical linkage

[@somedayzo6]

Do you feel a beginner could use these new presses?

[@Skebtik]

Not ideal. Too much margin for error with even something basic like a 550. I did learn on a 1050 but it wasn't optimal. Wasted materials or pulling Bullets. Most people have a hard time moving from manual to automation.

[@bjinpass]

These are definitely NOT suitable for a beginning reloader. I ran a Dillon 650 for 11 years before adding a Mark 7 AutoDrive. I eventually sold the AutoDrive because it was too finicky with the otherwise great 650 MECHANICAL press. Yes, it worked most of the time, but I spent far too much time dealing with issues unrelated to loading cartridges. The 650 wasn't designed to be automated. I now own an Apex-10 with AutoDrive and it is FANTASTIC. However, I have 14 years of experience with pistol reloading in volume. For a beginner, stick with something simple and mechanical. Once you learn all about making cartridges, then consider something like the Genesys.

[@BigFx]

This is not beginner friendly, and learning on it is outright dangerous. The process is automated, but the setup is not - YOU have to dial in all the values, tolerances and set up all the sensors correctly. In best scenario you just jam the thing all time and won't have any idea why for hours. At worst, you create a massive pile of dangerous loads that you won't figure until you yeet them and they explode in your face. Learn on a press where you see exactly what each station is doing, and where you have manual ways to confirm it does what you think it does - measure, measure, measure every step. Once you get comfortable doing that and need to crank thousands of rounds, consider moving into automated stuff.

[@Skebtik]

@@BigFx thank you. It's just not realistic for a complete beginner.

[@somedayzo6]

@@bjinpass Thank you for the feedback! I even spoke to the manufacturer and they agree with you. Must be dead on because they lost a sale with their honesty! Appreciate your valuable input.

[@BCGCPracticalShooter]

Did I miss the prices or did you not ask? Gotta know whether one kidney will cover it!

[@TacoTrainer]

Genesys is 6k - nothing on Titan

[@bobbylee7801]

💪🦵

[@user-TJ365]

Titan is around $19k

[@oldscout7]

@@user-TJ365 OMG! I'll have to thow in part of my liver, some pancreas and a testicle, too!

[@user-TJ365]

@@oldscout7 sorry, full setup is $21,769 with accessories.

[@stevefisher2121]

While I love the design and features, the "technology" part worries me - "technology is great - when it works"!!! I'm a middle school math teacher of 29 years and I am always reminded me of an old saying - when we started replacing the traditional "textbook" with computers a fellow teacher said i don't want to use these computers. When asked why she replied - "I've never had a textbook crash on me"!!!! Just food for thought.

[@raskal5988]

I work with robots in a factory and Ill tell you, they get things done 10x faster and more efficiently.. but end up crashing because of one of their hundreds of problems(with more problems to discover haha) and we'd have to resort to our good ol hand tools.

[@stevefisher2121]

@@Honkers716 Wow!!!! How do I reply to that!!!! All I can say is some day you will understand or maybe not. As far as my opinion is considered - I am entitled to it as are you. So I guess we agree to disagree!!!! Oh and by the way I never voted for any Bush and never supported any war, so before you try and classify me as a right wing republican you need to make sure you know who you are speaking to.

[@ericsfishingadventures4433]

Exactly, with the incredibly weak electrical grid that we have it's a really great piece of engineering but knowing that our dear leaders at the wef control everything (they think) and our gov wants to put everyone on electric everything. They can easily just shut off anything they want. Just look at commiefornia.

[@peterschmidt2849]

Awesome 😎🔥🇺🇸

[@Skeetersbuzz]

Genesis 👍🏻

[@jeffhdpd782]

only $6000? hell ill take 2😬

[@chgofirefighter]

And I just purchased a Revolution 🤦🏽‍♂️😩🤣

[@snowman3219]

WOW ‼️

[@Trad6166]

Must be having problems with the genesis. Still not available, still no reviews from consumers

[@jaymiller393]

Dillion just got passed up…

[@rajoshusse]

WOW!

[@craigrussell1101]

I wish Genesys was a 12 station press. 🧞‍♂️ I really like the new gear driven powder measure; interested to see its accuracy which I hope is a leg up on what is currently available. Maybe Mark 7 will make it available for other manufacturers presses. Way to hit the ball out of the park Mark 7!

[@gpav1]

Finally…..

[@android61242]

Holy shit

[@oliverschutz7822]

sorry but 6k is not a agressiv prize

[@Sageofthe16]

in industry, parts cost 6k.

[@oliverschutz7822]

@@Sageofthe16 I have made an estimate calculation after my statement. For a market penetration price, I come to the conclusion that it is about 1k too much. But of course I don't have correct figures. I thought the target group for the Genesys system are professional reloaders, not commercial or industrial.

[@gc641]

Yikes 6g’s…..I’ll stick to my Dillon

[@Lowe19524]

Useless until you can find primers and components !!!

[@kuronyan3006Ackley]

👍‼️

[@richardxreiser403]

Cool 😎 You did a much better video than Mark7 😂

[@Peter-od7op]

Way over priced

[@Russell-1]

Peter - what do you think the price could reasonably be?

[@michaeldunn150]

Overkill! Who needs that much ammo? or can you even find that many primers? LOL!!!

[@EBR556]

Primers are definitely available but not exactly cheap like they were a few years ago.

[@terrythompson448]

It is pronounced TiTan not Tiaan...Dude must be from Utah can't say the letter t. Cool presses though and way out of my league.

[@tonydevich7937]

Iblike

[@gracewthomas]

Is this for real below Gavin you want me to text you not an email ?

[@gracewthomas]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ////////////// we need primers to reload ......................... PRIMERS.........................

[@chgofirefighter]

Pissed! Just purchased a Revolution press 😮😩🫤